The Whitt Merrifield show begins at 7

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

W Merrifield 2B .324 Avg
A Escobar SS sucks
E Hosmer 1B .315 Avg
L Cain CF .287 Avg
S Perez C .294 Avg
K Morales DH sucks
P Orlando RF .336 Avg
B Eibner LF .471 Avg
C Cuthbert 3B

We face Fulmer who is the hottest pitcher in baseball. Has allowed 1 ER in the last 34 innings. That's damn near 4 full games men !

22-8 at home. We got this .

[KChiefs1]

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[Hog's Gone Fishin]

My Bat just got bigger

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Here's to hoping for a hit batter by Ventura and a fist fight. I Love that !

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I wonder if Morales has been checked for prostate cancer ?

[big nasty kcnut]

Can't wait to hear from paul rudd tonight.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

99 mph

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Really nice play by Esky

[Jerok]

Ventura gonna prove he got it then take a 9 day break and relax. Luckily we have 2 days off next week so we wouldn't be hurt by his suspension at all if they can withdraw the appeal tomorrow

[Deberg_1990]

What's up with that Ventura high leg kick at the end of his delivery? Does this serve a purpose?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

What's up with that Ventura high leg kick at the end of his delivery? Does this serve a purpose?

He does that when he's trying to throw at your face.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

And MORALES gets our first hit. Go figure

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

And MORALES gets our first hit. Go figure

And his slow ass cost us a run.

[Munson]

Paulo Double-O!

[eDave]

Digging the thread titles.

[C3HIEF3S]

If the Royals score, I blame whichever Tigers staff member that seriously suggested, "let's play Morales straight-up" pre-game.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Eibner rules !

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Great turn by Merrifield

[suzzer99]

This Merrifield kid.

[Deberg_1990]

Royals. Best #9 hitters in the business!!

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Merrifield Rules !

[eDave]

I'm sitting here watching the game with my bitch. I was telling my bitch how well Merriman has been doing. My bitch proceeds to ask me if he has a better ass than Hosmer. And I said "Bitch, ain't no one have a nicer ass than Hosmer! GTF outta my crib."

So I let my dog outside.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

That dive by Fulmer should make him off a little now. we're getting ready to introduce ourselves.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Damn good bunt

[eDave]

Eskybunt

[eDave]

Do me Cain. Do me good.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

FUCK !

[Al Bundy]

Cain with a DP....

[eDave]

Fucking blue balls over here.

Jesus Cain.

[tk13]

So much for that.

[KChiefs1]

Do me Cain. Do me good.



He fucked you & us too.


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[mr. tegu]

Horrible AB.

[Deberg_1990]

Fullmer is a stud

[eDave]

WTF with this this interview?

:facepalm:

[gblowfish]

Fuck LoCain.....I mean...Goddamnit.....

[gblowfish]

Was that Bob Dylan in the stands they showed an inning or so ago?

[suzzer99]

Jesus these fucking umps this whole home stand.

[gblowfish]

Looks like Kevin Pollack was also one of the celebs. He's funnier than all those KC guys combined.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Ace throwing 99 in the 5th.

[Simply Red]

Chi town just tied Clev. in the 9th!

[TLO]

Pants off
Game ON

[TLO]

Super Fan Chris needs to get some poon.

[Munson]

Salvy bomb!!!

[C3HIEF3S]

Welcome to Dong Town!

[Great Expectations]

Take some pitches!

We need to get this guy out of the game.

[TLO]

He has a wife? And kids???

[Great Expectations]

Except for Salvy, he can swing early and often.

[eDave]

Take some pitches!

We need to get this guy out of the game.

That's why I'm still pissed at Cain. Grrr.

[suzzer99]

Salvy is the Sheriff of Dongtown.

[jimidollar]

Need a Paulo homo!

[suzzer99]

Come on Ausmus - yank the guy with 33 scoreless innings for your vaunted bullpen!

[Great Expectations]

Nice that dude owned Eibner.

[wazu]

Down and away will send Eibner back to Omaha.

[suzzer99]

Ned - gotta yank Yordy if he gets one base-runner.

[suzzer99]

Down and away will send Eibner back to Omaha.

To be fair down and away was vexing our whole team tonight. And the ump called a totally bullshit outside strike on Eibner.

[C3HIEF3S]

Looks like Eibner better get ready to see a heavy dose of breaking balls in the coming days.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Down and away will send Eibner back to Omaha.
He's still batting over .400

[Al Bundy]

LoCain has fucked the Royals pretty good tonight.

[TLO]

Really....

[gblowfish]

Gotta bench Cain, he's dogging it in the OF. Let him sit for a couple days.

[KChiefs1]

Cain has been kinda lame this year except for his hot streak.


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[KChiefs1]

Looks like Eibner better get ready to see a heavy dose of breaking balls in the coming days.



Yep


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[wazu]

LoCain has fucked the Royals pretty good tonight.

Yeah, Salvy should just hit him with the empty bucket after the game.

[TLO]

LoCain has ****ed the Royals pretty good tonight.

That was some grade a effort

[KChiefs1]

Ned - gotta yank Yordy if he gets one base-runner.



He didn't.


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[Al Bundy]

Ventura has showed some onions tonight.

[TLO]

Oh good God

[gblowfish]

I think Cain is pissed that they didn't rip up his contract and pay him like they did for Salvey. He's dogged it on other occasions this year. Not running out balls, making errors. Now Cutberth launches a bad throw. Need to shut this down right now.

[TLO]

Ventura has showed some onions tonight.

And his defense let him down. :/

[KChiefs1]

Good call Ned. These things get in Ventura's head.


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[jimidollar]

This looks like a fun inning.

[C3HIEF3S]

Shame, Ventura should've had two outs with a man on first. Could've easily went 7 scoreless.

[suzzer99]

WTF Cain that was fucking terrible.

[SAUTO]

Should have let him pitch through it. Hoz looked to be telling him he had this.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Heck of a game for Yordano. He's looking nasty again. Everything's working for him except the defense.

[SAUTO]

Yordano just should bean someone to start the season every year

[SPchief]

Holy crap!

[C3HIEF3S]

Guy can play.

[tk13]

Holy Merrifield.

[SAUTO]

Thread title says it all

[SPchief]

LMAO

[tk13]

Got away with one there.

[KC_Connection]

Oh man, that was some of the worst baserunning you'll ever see.

[SAUTO]

We are begging them to take advantage of our dumbassery

[C3HIEF3S]

Regardless of how this inning turns out, I do enjoy Ned bringing in his best arms against their best hitters.

[Al Bundy]

Can I get a Whitness?

[Spott]

That at bat took forever.

[siberian khatru]

Talk about a heart attack inning

[GloryDayz]

That was close. Ended well. Like...

And yes, it's all because I'm awesome!

[baitism]

Who pitches the 8th? Soria?

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Thread title says it all

That's what I was going to say. Huge play to make up for two lousy plays from his teammates in the inning.

[suzzer99]

I think I had a rare daytime nocturnal emission on that Merrifield play.

[C3HIEF3S]

Who pitches the 8th? Soria?

They have 9-1-2 coming up, so I would go Soria.. and if he gets into trouble maybe bring in Wade for a 4+ out save if need-be. Just my $.02.

[jimidollar]

Do this!

[eDave]

that was nice baseball

[jimidollar]

That was very cool, Hos.

[siberian khatru]

Now Cain owes us

[jimidollar]

He stunk up the joint tonight.

[suzzer99]

Not Cain's best night.

[suzzer99]

Someone must have told Esky and Salvy that Greene would never throw them a strike. Too bad Cain didn't get the memo.

[suzzer99]

Well Salvy forgot.

[baitism]

Why did Salvy look at a perfect 2-0 pitch?

[C3HIEF3S]

God bless, Sal Perez.

[kstater]

perfection

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[eDave]

Cycle!

[suzzer99]

Nice piece of hitting Salvy!!!

[C3HIEF3S]

Why did Salvy look at a perfect 2-0 pitch?

Because he knew he'd get a garbage pitch at the knees later in the AB to knock 2 runs in with ROFL.

[suzzer99]

Salvy is 100% locked in right now.

[SAUTO]

Salvy is fucking awesome.

[suzzer99]

How about a KendryDong to wake his bat up?

[jimidollar]

Sal is murdering fools!

[eDave]

intentional

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Kendrys Morales has been on base four times tonight.

[eDave]

KC Special

[eDave]

Detroit has forfeited.

[jimidollar]

We rollin'!

[suzzer99]

SINGELO!!!

[GloryDayz]

the pitcher's shoes look stupid!

[GloryDayz]

The blondes behind the plate need my dick in their mouth.

[suzzer99]

Yeah the book on Eibner seems to be sliders away.

[KChiefs1]

Cleveland fans.

https://www.facebook.com/laurence.leavy.12/posts/1087994834600156






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[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Cuthbert with a 3 hit game !

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

The Merrifield show continues

[big nasty kcnut]

Two hit whit!!!!

[eDave]

Looked safe

[baitism]

Escobar is so fucking slow.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

7-0 Hosmer

[baitism]

Looked safe

He was out

[eDave]

Fuck off Detroit. Bats are bangin.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

This game is awesome.

[siberian khatru]

Cleveland fans.

https://www.facebook.com/laurence.leavy.12/posts/1087994834600156






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Leftover Marlins hate from '97?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

This is now a fun game

[KChiefs1]

Yordano just should bean someone to start the season every year


So Yordano Ventura has thrown 13.1 straight scoreless innings since the brawl. He shoulda fought Manny Machado years ago. #Royals



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[SPchief]

One of these years you'd think the Tigers would address their bullpen. Snicker

[KChiefs1]

Leftover Marlins hate from '97?


That's pretty sad.




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[suzzer99]

Let's all pour one out for the Tigers bullpen.

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[eDave]

Mo Man!

[SPchief]

It's so bad that Morales can homer off of them

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Holy Shit ! Morales !

[Chiefspants]

OOOOOH MAN

[GloryDayz]

Words can't describe adequately how awesome I am as a fan. I just make good things happen!

[big nasty kcnut]

Suck on that detroit! kenmobomb!!!!

[siberian khatru]

So about that clock ticking on Kendrys ...

[GloryDayz]

The Tiggers need to yell the safe word...

[eDave]

So about that clock ticking on Kendrys ...

He's been honing in for a couple of weeks. Getting his shit together.

[Simply Red]

http://i.imgur.com/Ifklgpf.gif

[big nasty kcnut]

Tigers gonna get raped!

[Jerok]

Kendrys has something to say about being OMAR infanted.... no way! Home run, hit, walks, oh my!

[siberian khatru]

He's been honing in for a couple of weeks. Getting his shit together.

He also just homered off a lefty -- hitting RH has not been his problem this year.

[C3HIEF3S]

Big boy dingers tonight.

[Jerok]

Tigers gonna get raped!

It's 10 0. They're already bleeding out of every orifice.

[Simply Red]

also Rex said some dandy one-liners tonight.

[tk13]

Well that was not a good start.

[baitism]

Gee is such a pile of dog shit.

[big nasty kcnut]

gee killing me.

[KChiefs1]

He's been honing in for a couple of weeks. Getting his shit together.



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[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Gee jesus Christ

[siberian khatru]

Gee-sus

[tk13]

About time to run Riggle or Rudd out there to finish it out.

[DaneMcCloud]

This pitching staff is awesome

[baitism]

DFA. There has to be someone in AAA that is better than this garbage.

[DaneMcCloud]

DFA. There has to be someone in AAA that is better than this garbage.

World Series win

[Simply Red]

funny J. Upton could never do that when he was w/ the Braves and Gee was pitching in NY.

[siberian khatru]

If Davis has to come into this game ...

[suzzer99]

Gee is done.

[baitism]

Good job Gee. Way to give these shitheels some confidence going into tomorrow.

[baitism]

World Series win

That doesn't even make sense. Gee wasn't even on the team then.

[DaneMcCloud]

That doesn't even make sense. Gee wasn't even on the team then.

The Royals traded away five pitchers for Zobrist and Cueto.

Can't bitch about pitching now, or so I'm told every other day.

[Bob Dole]

Yay! More homers in a pitcher's park!

[Dartgod]

Good job Gee. Way to give these shitheels some confidence going into tomorrow.

Please...

[lewdog]

The Royals traded away five pitchers for Zobrist and Cueto.

Can't bitch aboit pitching now, or so I'm told every other day.

I really wish I was a Reds or Cubs fan.

:facepalm:

[Chiefspants]

The Royals traded away five pitchers for Zobrist and Cueto.

Can't bitch now.

Who would we put in? Injured Manaea? Sub par Finny (before tonight his FIP was higher than Gee's), 5.00 ERA Lamb or rookie to be shelled later Reed?

[GloryDayz]

.

[big nasty kcnut]

Royals wins!!!!! Gee you hurt me!

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Hog farmer rules . NEVER lost a game day thread ! Eat more Bacon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Simply Red]

Hog Farmer has huge game mojo balls!

[KChiefs1]

The Royals traded away five pitchers for Zobrist and Cueto.

Can't bitch about pitching now, or so I'm told every other day.



Cody Reed makes his debut tomorrow.


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[DaneMcCloud]

I really wish I was a Reds or Cubs fan.

:facepalm:

You guys get way too butthurt over an obvious situation.

Royals fans can't bitch about pitching when they gave up some of their best pitchers in order to add pieces to what eventually became a World Series winner.

It would be like the Chiefs winning a Super Bowl after trading two 2nd round picks for a QB.

[duncan_idaho]

The Royals traded away five pitchers for Zobrist and Cueto.

Can't bitch about pitching now, or so I'm told every other day.



Two of whom flat out suck.

One of whom is on the DL with a precursor injury for Tommy John (and who has gotten shelled this year)

One of whom is about to be moved to the bullpen by a bottom 3 team in the middle of a rebuild.

And one of whom is just about to make his MLB debut.

Without those trades, KC doesn't win the WS and is in no better shape in this rotation.


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[DaneMcCloud]

Two of whom flat out suck.

One of whom is on the DL with a precursor injury for Tommy John (and who has gotten shelled this year)

One of whom is about to be moved to the bullpen by a bottom 3 team in the middle of a rebuild.

And one of whom is just about to make his MLB debut.

Without those trades, KC doesn't win the WS and is in no better shape in this rotation.


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The point is, don't bitch about pitching when the team's best prospects have been traded.

All these people seem to want to win the World Series AND maintain the Status Quo.

You, all of people, should know this rarely happens.

[C3HIEF3S]

Two of whom flat out suck.

One of whom is on the DL with a precursor injury for Tommy John (and who has gotten shelled this year)

One of whom is about to be moved to the bullpen by a bottom 3 team in the middle of a rebuild.

And one of whom is just about to make his MLB debut.

Without those trades, KC doesn't win the WS and is in no better shape in this rotation.


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But Dane says that nobody knows the Royals won the world series last year so it doesn't matter!

[Chiefspants]

Two of whom flat out suck.

One of whom is on the DL with a precursor injury for Tommy John (and who has gotten shelled this year)

One of whom is about to be moved to the bullpen by a bottom 3 team in the middle of a rebuild.

And one of whom is just about to make his MLB debut.

Without those trades, KC doesn't win the WS and is in no better shape in this rotation.


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Wouldn't be surprised to see Finny become a J.P. Howell like bullpen piece, Manaea a closer (he's had two major injuries and was one away from being too fragile to be traded - which is likely why Moore parted with him), and Reed a stud #2 starter.

#worthit

[DaneMcCloud]

But Dane says that nobody knows the Royals won the world series last year so it doesn't matter!

Would you like to prove otherwise?

Step right up.

[Chiefspants]

Would you like to prove otherwise?

Step right up.

I bet those A's fans don't care about the World Series because the world was given Moneyball!!

Hey, Beane's never made a World Series, but because the world knows about Billy Beane & Scott Hatteburg, I'm sure their fans would pass on trading the last two years with us.

[DaneMcCloud]

What bunch of intellectually dishonest fuckholes

[DaneMcCloud]

I bet those A's fans don't care about the World Series because the world was given Moneyball!!

Hey, Beane's never made a World Series, but because the world knows about Billy Beane & Scott Hatteburg, I'm sure their fans would pass on trading the last two years with us.

False narrative

[C3HIEF3S]

What bunch of intellectually dishonest ****holes

How many cocks have you sucked behind the Hollywood sign?

[DaneMcCloud]

How many cocks have you sucked behind the Hollywood sign?

Zero.

You?

[DaneMcCloud]

Look, you stupid motherfuckers: You can't bitch about pitching in 2016 when the Royals trade five pitchers in order to put together a World Series winner.

Baseball projections are often wrong. Whit Merrifield, according to "Baseball Men" should have no business having the success of 2016, yet here he is, kicking ass.

Stop it.

[Chiefspants]

Look, you stupid mother****ers: You can't bitch about pitching in 2016 when the Royals trade five pitchers in order to put together a World Series winner.

Baseball projections are often wrong. Whit Merrifield, according to "Baseball Men" should have no business having the success of 2016, yet here he is, kicking ass.

Stop it.

I have not once bitched about pitching in 2016. I accepted that we gave up a lot to make a run to the promise land.

If Manaea and Reed turn into studs in 2018, it will still be worth it.

[DaneMcCloud]

I have not once bitched about pitching in 2016. I accepted that we gave up a lot to make a run to the promise land.

If Manaea and Reed turn into studs in 2018, it will still be worth it.

I agree but people that bitch about the pitching should also take into consideration the number of pitchers in the farm system that were traded.

It's a ridiculous argument.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Look, you stupid mother****ers: You can't bitch about pitching in 2016 when the Royals trade five pitchers in order to put together a World Series winner.

Baseball projections are often wrong. Whit Merrifield, according to "Baseball Men" should have no business having the success of 2016, yet here he is, kicking ass.

Stop it.

For the billionth time, none of those pitchers are relevant right now and none of them really have anything to do with the Royals' pitching struggles this year.

[Prison Bitch]

Look, you stupid mother****ers: You can't bitch about pitching in 2016 when the Royals trade five pitchers in order to put together a World Series winner.

Baseball projections are often wrong. Whit Merrifield, according to "Baseball Men" should have no business having the success of 2016, yet here he is, kicking ass.

Stop it.

Go read to your daughters.

[lewdog]

Look, you stupid motherfuckers: You can't bitch about pitching in 2016 when the Royals trade five pitchers in order to put together a World Series winner.

Baseball projections are often wrong. Whit Merrifield, according to "Baseball Men" should have no business having the success of 2016, yet here he is, kicking ass.

Stop it.

So you can't bitch about pitching because of what we did in 2015? This rotation would not be better with any of the twats we traded away last year. Non of them are starting pitching material in 2016. So yes, we can bitch about pitching because your point about having any of those pitchers this year is fucking retarded.

[lewdog]

At some point I want Dane to admit to me that he's just trolling. I'll gladly accept a PM from you Dane, in which case you admit to your trolling of the Royals threads. I'll even keep it our little secret and play along when you come into threads like tonight and post garbage. I just need to know that you aren't this fucking retarded. And if you are, I'd like to find you some help.

Look forward to hearing from you.

xoxo
lewdog

[duncan_idaho]

The point is, don't bitch about pitching when the team's best prospects have been traded.

All these people seem to want to win the World Series AND maintain the Status Quo.

You, all of people, should know this rarely happens.



The point is, just throwing out the number of "five pitching prospects! Cashed in all the good ones!" Is not an accurate comment on the 2016 team.

Two of those guys shouldn't even be mentioned. John Lamb is a AAAA pitcher. It sucks that he sucks, but he never came back from the TJ surgery.

I can't even recall the name of the RHP they traded to the As with Manaea. That's how bad he is.

It's not like they gave up a Michael Fulmer in this process ( though reed has the talent to do that, actually).

The problems with the rotation this year do not stem from trading the guys they traded. They stem from a bad investment (Chris young), injury (Medlen), weird regression (Ventura), and a phantom shoulder problem (Zimmer). The guys they traded wouldn't fix this year's shortcomings.

Now, if in 2019 the two guys of note they actually moved (Manaea and Reed) are All-Star starters and you want to talk about trading in chips in 2015, fine. But the only thing that group of guys would be good for for KC this year is... A different trade.


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[DaneMcCloud]

The point is, just throwing out the number of "five pitching prospects! Cashed in all the good ones!" Is not an accurate comment on the 2016 team.

Two of those guys shouldn't even be mentioned. John Lamb is a AAAA pitcher. It sucks that he sucks, but he never came back from the TJ surgery.

I can't even recall the name of the RHP they traded to the As with Manaea. That's how bad he is.

It's not like they gave up a Michael Fulmer in this process ( though reed has the talent to do that, actually).

The problems with the rotation this year do not stem from trading the guys they traded. They stem from a bad investment (Chris young), injury (Medlen), weird regression (Ventura), and a phantom shoulder problem (Zimmer). The guys they traded wouldn't fix this year's shortcomings.

Now, if in 2019 the two guys of note they actually moved (Manaea and Reed) are All-Star starters and you want to talk about trading in chips in 2015, fine. But the only thing that group of guys would be good for for KC this year is... A different trade.


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I disagree.

There is virtually no one in the pipeline. Whether you blame DM or the Royals inability to develop pitching, the bottom line is that they traded a few guys that have higher upside than fucktards like Dillion Gee and Chris Young and probably Kris Medlen.

But again, World Series.

The aftermath is irrelevant, right?

[TLO]

Now you can see why I always say that Dane is an Ass Goblin.

[DaneMcCloud]

Now you can see why I always say that Dane is an Ass Goblin.

Who's in the pipeline?

Which AA or AAA pitchers will be the Royals 2, 3, 4 or #1 pitcher in 2017 or 2018?

[Chiefspants]

I disagree.

There is virtually no one in the pipeline. Whether you blame DM or the Royals inability to develop pitching, the bottom line is that they traded a few guys that have higher upside than ****tards like Dillion Gee and Chris Young and probably Kris Medlen.

But again, World Series.

The aftermath is irrelevant, right?

Two of the pitchers we traded have a higher upside than Gee, Young and Medlen.

They were Reed and Manaea.

Manaea has had two major injuries and was one away from becoming untradable (I.E. Kyle Zimmer). His delivery always required a lot of torque and he's now flirting with TJ.

Reed could be a stud. He still has a few issues that will likely prevent him from being dominant for a while, but he could be great down the line.

But as you say, World Series.

[DaneMcCloud]

Two of the pitchers we traded have a higher upside than Gee, Young and Medlen.

They were Reed and Manaea.

Manaea has had two major injuries and was one away from becoming untradable (I.E. Kyle Zimmer). His delivery always required a lot of torque and he's now flirting with TJ.

Reed could be a stud. He still has a few issues that will likely prevent him from being dominant for a while, but he could be great down the line.

But as you say, World Series.

Again, the bottom line is, "Don't bitch about pitching when you trade five guys".

If they hadn't won the World Series and had all five yet sucked, people would say "Why didn't DMGM make those trades!!!?".

Kobayashi Maru.

[suzzer99]

But Dane says that nobody knows the Royals won the world series last year so it doesn't matter!

One of the dumber things I've ever seen posted in my time at CP. And that includes the politics forum.

[duncan_idaho]

I disagree.

There is virtually no one in the pipeline. Whether you blame DM or the Royals inability to develop pitching, the bottom line is that they traded a few guys that have higher upside than fucktards like Dillion Gee and Chris Young and probably Kris Medlen.

But again, World Series.

The aftermath is irrelevant, right?

The key point is that none of those guys would have changed the pitching landscape for KC in 2016 except as a trade chip. Reed is just now debuting for a much worse team. Manaea has been awful so far and is hurt now. Lamb has been shit in the NL. Finnegan would be working out of the pen (maybe -that's assuming he had still woken up and dropped the 30 bad pounds he put on between 2014 and 2015).

There's not been anyone at AAA other than Miguel Almonte who is a prospect, but the pipeline isn't as dry as people talked about preseason.

That talking point is old. There is potential help for 2017 and beyond.

Jake Junis
Alec Mills
Matt Strahm
Pedro Fernandez

All guys at AA or higher who have had strong seasons so far. Junis was leading the Texas League in strikeouts this time a week ago, which is no small feat.

Mills just got promoted to AAA and will get a shot to be in the rotation next year.

Strahm has also performed very well in the tough Texas League and either he or Junis could get a shot at Omaha soon, too.

Fernandez is a year behind the rest but has the most electric raw stuff of that group. Was brilliant at high-A, injured initially at AA, now healthy again.

None of those guys is a drop-dead, No. 1 starter type. That description still is best filled by guys on the MLB roster in Bentura and Duffy, who have that type of upside. But there ARE useful pieces in there on track to help in 2017 and 2018 and beyond.

Below AA, you're looking at Scott Blewett, Foster Griffin, Nolan Watson, Ashe Russell and a few others.

Kyle Zimmer's phantom shoulder issue definitely was a setback to MLB-ready help for 2016. Miguel Almonte's struggles, too.

But the Royals system has bounced back quite nicely from the trades last year, especially with position players. Dozier, Bonifacio, O'Hearn, Vallot, Alfredo Escalera-Malfonado stand out.

Bubba Starling has cycled back down to bust territory after a promising 2015, and Mondesi got suspended for something silly (on his part), but there are players who will help in the near future. And players available as additional trade chips this year if needed.

The flip side of not making the trades KC did is that you go into the playoffs with some flaws and fall short of a title. Ask Twins fans in they're glad their team never made a big move to fix flaws during that team's run last decade.

Sittin pat may improve your chances in the next window, but it dampens them in the current one.


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[Dartgod]

Again, the bottom line is, "Don't bitch about pitching when you trade five guys".

If they hadn't won the World Series and had all five yet sucked, people would say "Why didn't DMGM make those trades!!!?".

Kobayashi Maru.
God, give it a rest. You're doing more bitching about people bitching about pitching than the pitcher bitchers themselves.

I'm kind of serious about that, but Holy shit, isn't that previous paragraph glorious?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Meanwhile Johnny Cueto is 10-1

[ChiTown]

But again, World Series.

The aftermath is irrelevant, right?

This has to be part of your schtick, right? No one can be this fucking stupid...

The ONLY thing that matters is the World Series. The fact that we sold a lot of pitching talent along the way to get there means we did it right. End of story

[lewdog]

This has to be part of your schtick, right? No one can be this fucking stupid...

The ONLY thing that matters is the World Series. The fact that we sold a lot of pitching talent along the way to get there means we did it right. End of story

That is actually THE WAY a small market teams to win the Series. It's highly unlikely you develop enough pitching talent in your system that comes together all in one year. Since prospects are just that, and not more than a lottery ticket, you should always be willing to move them to acquire pieces to make it to the top. Other teams would give everything to have done what the Royals did.

ALL HAIL GM DAYTON!!!!

[Simply Red]

I was upset that they let Zobrist go. That's about all i got on the subject.

[-King-]

This has to be part of your schtick, right? No one can be this fucking stupid...

The ONLY thing that matters is the World Series. The fact that we sold a lot of pitching talent along the way to get there means we did it right. End of story

I don't even understand his point. So we would be in a position to win the world series if we kept those guys according to him right? WE ALREADY WON THE FUCKING WORLD SERIES. Is the world series title in 2019 worth more than the one we won or something?
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[duncan_idaho]

That is actually THE WAY a small market teams to win the Series. It's highly unlikely you develop enough pitching talent in your system that comes together all in one year. Since prospects are just that, and not more than a lottery ticket, you should always be willing to move them to acquire pieces to make it to the top. Other teams would give everything to have done what the Royals did.

ALL HAIL GM DAYTON!!!!

Agreed. You have to hoard your prospects until you're ready to win. Then you have to be aggressive in leveraging minor league collateral for big-league results.

I was upset that they let Zobrist go. That's about all i got on the subject.

They didn't really let him go. As soon as the Cubs were interested and offered competitive dollar amounts, he was headed to Chicago. It would have taken a "blow away" offer for him to go elsewhere, and even then it might not have been enough, as Zobrist's wife also is a 1% breadwinner, and they're not all about money, anyway.

Meanwhile Johnny Cueto is 10-1

What about Johnny Cueto's performance during the regular season as a Royal would have made you comfortable with giving him $100 million+ for ages 30-35?

Good for Cueto that he's doing well, but he also seems to be a guy who needs to be in the NL. He has the talent and ability to succeed against AL lineups, but he didn't handle it well enough mentally.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Who's in the pipeline?

Which AA or AAA pitchers will be the Royals 2, 3, 4 or #1 pitcher in 2017 or 2018?

Finally, something that makes a little sense. If you're talking about pitching in 2017 and 2018, your point is valid. But you keep going on and on about how people shouldn't bitch about pitching THIS YEAR, which makes absolutely no sense.

[gblowfish]

I've got a serious chub for Salvey these days. Dude is one clutch mofo.

[lewdog]

I've got a serious chub for Salvey these days. Dude is one clutch mofo.

No e bud.

Salvy.


Love you Blowfish.

[gblowfish]

No e bud.

Salvy.


Love you Blowfish.

The "E" stands for "Erection."

[suzzer99]

It's not gay if it's Salvy. He transcends sexual preference.

[ChiefsCountry]

I can't even recall the name of the RHP they traded to the As with Manaea. That's how bad he is.


You don't remember Aaron "Batting Practice Pitcher" Brooks. His glorious debut in the SkyDome.

[C3HIEF3S]

You don't remember Aaron "Batting Practice Pitcher" Brooks. His glorious debut in the SkyDome.

ROFLROFLROFLROFL
Thanks for reminding us of that shit-show. He didn't even get 2 outs in that game did he? DaneMcScout must've been impressed with that performance.

EDIT: for memory's sake, I went back and checked. Brooks went 2/3 of an inning and gave up 7 runs.


Dat higher upside tho.

[duncan_idaho]

Re: 2017 rotation

Ventura
Kennedy
Duffy

Would seem very likely right now. My guess is Minor is in the mix, they still have Chris Young (hopefully as the swing guy) and Mills gets a shot at the fifth spot. Probably sign one mid tier FA.

Beyond that, it's Ventura and question marks. Duffy would sign and stay if they want him and probably pretty reasonably.

Beyond those two, if the Royals can get 1-2 starters out of the group of Strahm, Mills, Junis, AJ Puckett (who should move quickly), Fernandez, and Almonte, they'll be in OK shape. None of those guys really project as a top of rotation type (Junis MAYBE - was a big overslept sign the last year before those rules went in place), but the royals can continue their current formula for success.


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[DaneMcCloud]

Finally, something that makes a little sense. If you're talking about pitching in 2017 and 2018, your point is valid. But you keep going on and on about how people shouldn't bitch about pitching THIS YEAR, which makes absolutely no sense.

:facepalm:

So, the Royals traded five pitchers last year, yet the expectation is that there should be plenty of options in AA and AAA this year?

How does that make sense? How many teams in the majors are stacked with pitching in their farm system?

[Simply Red]

They didn't really let him go. As soon as the Cubs were interested and offered competitive dollar amounts, he was headed to Chicago. It would have taken a "blow away" offer for him to go elsewhere, and even then it might not have been enough, as Zobrist's wife also is a 1% breadwinner, and they're not all about money, anyway.


Hmm okay well whatever - I was under the impression that Gordon or Zobrist could stay (at the time) - w/ risks including losing both of them.

[Chiefspants]

Hmm okay well whatever - I was under the impression that Gordon or Zobrist could stay (at the time) - w/ risks including losing both of them.

Zobrist's costs ballooned over initial projections - likely because he became an offensive deity in October.

[ChiefsCountry]

Re: 2017 rotation

Ventura
Kennedy
Duffy

Would seem very likely right now. My guess is Minor is in the mix, they still have Chris Young (hopefully as the swing guy) and Mills gets a shot at the fifth spot. Probably sign one mid tier FA.

Beyond that, it's Ventura and question marks. Duffy would sign and stay if they want him and probably pretty reasonably.

Beyond those two, if the Royals can get 1-2 starters out of the group of Strahm, Mills, Junis, AJ Puckett (who should move quickly), Fernandez, and Almonte, they'll be in OK shape. None of those guys really project as a top of rotation type (Junis MAYBE - was a big overslept sign the last year before those rules went in place), but the royals can continue their current formula for success.


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[Simply Red]

Morales really clobbered that ball last night - hopefully he'll get going.

[lewdog]

:facepalm:

So, the Royals traded five pitchers last year, yet the expectation is that there should be plenty of options in AA and AAA this year?

How does that make sense? How many teams in the majors are stacked with pitching in their farm system?

Not one person here is talking about the pitching at the AA and AAA level this year but you.

We are talking about the pitching on the current MLB roster and how shitty it's been. None of those turds traded last year would even be mentioned as needed on the 2016 roster or even improve the current rotation. Because of this, WE DO have a right to complain about this year's pitching and how shitty it has been. How does this not make sense to you? This is 2016!


Now if the rotation sucks in 2017 and 2018, then your point is somewhat valid and yes, our complaining should be less.

[C3HIEF3S]

Morales really clobbered that ball last night - hopefully he'll get going.

Reminded me of one of (the few of) Butler's bombs in 2014. It was against the Indians, on a night where he was actually benched and came in to pinch-hit.

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Then the next day he did this, in a game where the Royals were down 5-0 early:
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Memories, man.

[suzzer99]

Two of the prettiest no-doubters you will ever see. I remember after the first one thinking "why can't he play pissed like that all the time?"

[DaneMcCloud]

We are talking about the pitching on the current MLB roster and how shitty it's been.

Why did anyone think it was going to be a good staff this year? I told plenty of friends to expect the worst, especially with Young and Medlen.

I know the overwhelming majority of people when asked about the trade say "World Series!" but that's a shitty answer when discussing the current pitching staff and the Royals options. They traded away five pitchers and signed one in the offseason. I'm not sure why anyone expected this staff to be successful as 2015 or 2014.

And we'll have to agree to disagree as to whether or not a guy like Finnegan or Reed would have had more success than Young or Medlen.

And FWIW, the butthurt is fantastic. All I have to do is mentioned the word "Trade" and people lose their fucking minds.

LMAO

[lewdog]

Why did anyone think it was going to be a good staff this year? I told plenty of friends to expect the worst, especially with Young and Medlen.

I know the overwhelming majority of people when asked about the trade say "World Series!" but that's a shitty answer when discussing the current pitching staff and the Royals options. They traded away five pitchers and signed one in the offseason. I'm not sure why anyone expected this staff to be successful as 2015 or 2014.

And we'll have to agree to disagree as to whether or not a guy like Finnegan or Reed would have had more success than Young or Medlen.

And FWIW, the butthurt is fantastic. All I have to do is mentioned the word "Trade" and people lose their fucking minds.

LMAO

I don't think anyone expected this to be a fantastic staff. But no one thought they'd be this bad. Everyone is losing their minds at you thinking that trade was dumb with the payoff being the World Series.


I am gonna go drink in the pool. You aren't ruining my day, Dane. :D

[C3HIEF3S]

Why did anyone think it was going to be a good staff this year? I told plenty of friends to expect the worst, especially with Young and Medlen.

I know the overwhelming majority of people when asked about the trade say "World Series!" but that's a shitty answer when discussing the current pitching staff and the Royals options. They traded away five pitchers and signed one in the offseason. I'm not sure why anyone expected this staff to be successful as 2015 or 2014.

And we'll have to agree to disagree as to whether or not a guy like Finnegan or Reed would have had more success than Young or Medlen.

And FWIW, the butthurt is fantastic. All I have to do is mentioned the word "Trade" and people lose their ****ing minds.

LMAO

For whatever reason you still aren't realizing the fact that not one of the pitchers that the Royals traded away last year would be on the current staff. Maybe Finnegan as a bullpen piece, maybe. Other than that why the hell are you making a big deal about the Royals trading away Lamb (a zero), Manaea (because we need two Kyle Zimmer's at this point in time), Aaron Brooks (see 5/31/2014), Brandon Finnegan (was at odds with the Royals about whether he should be starting or in the pen, also is never going to be an effective starter), and Cody Reed (who wouldn't be starting this year if he was on the Royals).

No one is losing their mind. You're just an idiot. Go hang out in the "song for the days of the week" thread, or I am sure there's a 1970's hairband thread in the media center that fits your background better.

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't think anyone expected this to be a fantastic staff. But no one thought they'd be this bad. Everyone is losing their minds at you thinking that trade was dumb with the payoff being the World Series.

When there's a misconception going on, which isn't surprising. Like I've stated so many times, I wasn't a fan of the Cueto trade but I was okay with the Zobrist trade.

Regardless, expecting the staff to live up to 2014 & 2015 while simultaneously trading five pitchers is unreasonable. And before you and anyone else can say "Well, they all suck!", how many people in this forum predicted that Whit Merrifield, Brett Eibner and Cheslor Cuthbert would all perform way beyond anyone's expectations when called upon this year?

If it was stated, I missed it.

Predicting how guys perform from one level to another in baseball is often the great mystery.

[lewdog]

Regardless, expecting the staff to live up to 2014 & 2015 while simultaneously trading five pitchers is unreasonable. And before you and anyone else can say "Well, they all suck!", how many people in this forum predicted that Whit Merrifield, Brett Eibner and Cheslor Cuthbert would all perform way beyond anyone's expectations when called upon this year?



Except we do know how those pitchers we traded are performing currently.......it's called their 2016 stats.

Thus making your argument irrelevant on the 2016 KC Royals starting pitchers.

[DaneMcCloud]

Except we do know how those pitchers we traded are performing currently.......it's called their 2016 stats.

Thus making your argument irrelevant on the 2016 KC Royals starting pitchers.

Finnegan has an ERA of 3.61, Reed has an ERA of 3.20 in AAA.

But you're right, neither of those guys would be an improvement.

:rolleyes:

[Chiefspants]

Finnegan has an ERA of 3.61, Reed has an ERA of 3.20 in AAA.

But you're right, neither of those guys would be an improvement.

:rolleyes:

Finnegan has an FIP of 4.79. He's benefitted from an extreme amount of luck and from pitching against a pitcher every third inning. He's giving up a lot of hard contact and is struggling with his control and pitching deep into games. Just a few weeks ago a the Reds FO was reportedly already considering moving him to the pen - scouts are coming to the same conclusion as the Royals FO did - he's a bullpen arm unless he can find a third pitch.

[C3HIEF3S]

Finnegan has an ERA of 3.61, Reed has an ERA of 3.20 in AAA.

But you're right, neither of those guys would be an improvement.

:rolleyes:

With a FIP of 4.79 and xFIP of 4.93 in the NL. He better figure out how to miss some bats and raise his K/9 rate of 6.34, while also lowering that horrendous BB/9 rate of 4.15 soon because that ERA won't sustain itself otherwise. He's actually right around league average in HR/FB, which is a miracle in-itself in that bandbox.

[Chiefspants]

When there's a misconception going on, which isn't surprising. Like I've stated so many times, I wasn't a fan of the Cueto trade but I was okay with the Zobrist trade.


This is revisionist history.

[DaneMcCloud]

No one is losing their mind. You're just an idiot. Go hang out in the "song for the days of the week" thread, or I am sure there's a 1970's hairband thread in the media center that fits your background better.

Go fuck yourself

[DaneMcCloud]

This is revisionist history.

Did I say I wasn't good with it? Maybe I did. :D

[DaneMcCloud]

This is revisionist history.

And in a final bit of irony, for a forum called Chiefsplanet, there's far more passion and far more protection of the Royals players and moves than there's EVER been for the Chiefs in the 15+ years of its existence.

[duncan_idaho]

Why did anyone think it was going to be a good staff this year? I told plenty of friends to expect the worst, especially with Young and Medlen.

I know the overwhelming majority of people when asked about the trade say "World Series!" but that's a shitty answer when discussing the current pitching staff and the Royals options. They traded away five pitchers and signed one in the offseason. I'm not sure why anyone expected this staff to be successful as 2015 or 2014.

And we'll have to agree to disagree as to whether or not a guy like Finnegan or Reed would have had more success than Young or Medlen.

And FWIW, the butthurt is fantastic. All I have to do is mentioned the word "Trade" and people lose their fucking minds.

LMAO

No one is butthurt. Your take is just very far off base, and you refuse to budge on it.

None of the guys traded is an answer for THIS year Two of them shoudn't even be mentioned, as they are Sean O'Sullivan-level pitchers.

Manaea and Finnegan already proved they weren't ready. Cody Reed may prove it wrong or right, but it would be rushing him to expect him to perform right away in a playoff hunt.

Finnegan has an ERA of 3.61, Reed has an ERA of 3.20 in AAA.

But you're right, neither of those guys would be an improvement.

:rolleyes:

As pointed out, Finnegan has been very lucky. He only has 49 strikeouts in 79 innings against actual major league hitters (not pitchers), he's walking over 4 batters/9, and he has a very favorable strand rate.

That ERA is going to regress over time. The Reds are planning to move him to the pen shortly, once Homer Bailey is healthy.

He would not be an answer.

Cody Reed might be, though reports are that he still needs to refine his changeup and command. The Reds will let him figure some of that out at this level.

Color me skeptical he could walk into a pennant race and perform at a high level with just two pitches. His fastball and slider are good, but they're not THAT good.

[eDave]

And in a final bit of irony, for a forum called Chiefsplanet, there's far more passion and far more protection of the Royals players and moves than there's EVER been for the Chiefs in the 15+ years of its existence.

Oh I don't know about that man.

Alex Smith.

[milkman]

Dunce McLouder

[DaneMcCloud]

Dunce McLouder

LMAO

[Chiefspants]

Let's get back on topic, dudes.

http://i.imgur.com/Q2flKr2.jpg

[DaneMcCloud]

No one is butthurt. Your take is just very far off base, and you refuse to budge on it.

You're not, that's for sure, but I've received a few notes from people that are pretty angry about it. No worries, I'm a big boy.

None of the guys traded is an answer for THIS year Two of them shoudn't even be mentioned, as they are Sean O'Sullivan-level pitchers.

Manaea and Finnegan already proved they weren't ready. Cody Reed may prove it wrong or right, but it would be rushing him to expect him to perform right away in a playoff hunt.

I get that. I'm not stating today that the trade shouldn't have been made. While I wasn't on board last year, the Royals did win the Series so it was worth it.

The point I'm trying to make, which doesn't seem to resonate at all, is that the Royals added one starting pitcher this year and because they traded five pitchers last Fall, they don't have anywhere to turn for answers.

But again, that doesn't seem to resonate, so it is what it is.

As pointed out, Finnegan has been very lucky. He only has 49 strikeouts in 79 innings against actual major league hitters (not pitchers), he's walking over 4 batters/9, and he has a very favorable strand rate.

That ERA is going to regress over time. The Reds are planning to move him to the pen shortly, once Homer Bailey is healthy.

He would not be an answer.

Cody Reed might be, though reports are that he still needs to refine his changeup and command. The Reds will let him figure some of that out at this level.

Color me skeptical he could walk into a pennant race and perform at a high level with just two pitches. His fastball and slider are good, but they're not THAT good.

I get it but I also feel that it will be difficult for the Royals to be in a pennant race this year due to the inconsistencies of the staff. You may feel completely differently but I really don't want to see the Royals trade blue chip or near players in their farm system for pitchers this year.

[duncan_idaho]

And in a final bit of irony, for a forum called Chiefsplanet, there's far more passion and far more protection of the Royals players and moves than there's EVER been for the Chiefs in the 15+ years of its existence.


That's because the Royals built a perennial winner, won a World Series, had a 20-year stretch of suck, came back out of it, and won another World Series since the Chiefs did anything of real consequence.

And the Royals did that while working within a very unbalanced system, while the Chiefs have the advantage of working in a completely socialistic system.

So yeah, more credit to the Royals.


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[KChiefs1]

Morales really clobbered that ball last night - hopefully he'll get going.



I just picked him up in my fantasy league.


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[KChiefs1]

Finnegan has an ERA of 3.61, Reed has an ERA of 3.20 in AAA.

But you're right, neither of those guys would be an improvement.

:rolleyes:



Can you keep us posted on his debut today?


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[SAUTO]

7ip 4 er 9 so 3 bb 2 hrs surrendered

[DaneMcCloud]

7ip 4 er 9 so 3 bb 2 hrs surrendered

Sounds like he'd fit right into the current lineup

:D

[KChiefs1]

Another great start for Shields:
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