Are you offended by the racist Red Cross swimming poster?

[Deberg_1990]

White kids = Cool

Kids of color = Not cool




http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/health/red-cross-apologizes-for-pool-safety-poster-trnd/


The Red Cross is apologizing after a poster depicting pool safety rules was circulated on Twitter and flamed for being "super racist."

The poster, which shows a crowd of cartoon children committing an array of poolside do's and dont's, was spotted at the Salida Pool and Recreation Department in Salida, Colorado.
A Twitter user put a picture of the poster online, where people debated whether it was, in fact, offensive or not.

"Be Cool, Follow the Rules," the poster in question advises.
Below that, a number of children are swimming in the pool or at the edge of the pool.
Arrows point to certain children, indicating "not cool" behavior with a red arrow and "cool" behavior with a green arrow.
It just so happens that the two children exhibiting "cool" behavior are white. A blonde girl in a blue bathing suit smiles as she is about to step onto the diving board.
The majority of the kids being "not cool" are children of color. One is pushing another child into the water, another is running and a third seemingly diving into the pool.
Those who found the poster questionable took issue with the fact that children of color were doing dangerous activities, while all of the acceptable, "cool" activities were depicted with lighter-skinned people.

Another woman tweeted at the Red Cross,saying the poster was an example of institutional racism.

Though there were those that thought the interpretation was a bit of an overreach, the Red Cross swiftly apologized, replying to the original tweet and later issuing a statement.
"We deeply apologize for any misunderstanding, as it was absolutely not our intent to offend anyone. As one of the nation's oldest and largest humanitarian organizations, we are committed to diversity and inclusion in all that we do, every day," it wrote on its website.

The organization also said it has removed the image from its website and app, and has requested the poster be removed from aquatic facilities. The Salida Rec Center also tweeted that it had removed the poster and "didn't scrutinize it like we should have."
The poster was originally part of the Red Cross' 2014 "Aquatics Centennial Campaign."
"We are focusing on areas with higher-than-average drowning rates and participants who otherwise wouldn't have the opportunity to take swim lessons," the Red Cross wrote.

[BryanBusby]

I'm offended by deberg threads

[LoneWolf]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/41/1d/cc/411dcca72686fc99fff4f2d57d0b1a3e.jpg

[Donger]

Do Black people even swim?

[threebag]

Brian Reed gave it a shot

[loochy]

dat be da way da world work yo

[Dayze]

Just one reason I could never be a spokesperson for a company. Like when an issue like this comes up my response to retarded claims would probably be "get fucked".

Dayze, a Red Cross spokesperson, said after careful consideration of the issue at hand, told the AP and those offended, to "Get Fucked"

[Hydrae]

I am confused though. There is a white guy who is uncool and a few blacks who are not designated at all. I thought we were being told that it was obviously racist but the message seems to be mixed. :shrug:

[Pasta Little Brioni]

There are several white kids doing uncool things too. This is getting fucking ridiculous.

[Donger]

Wait, is that a Black lifeguard on the right?

[Bugeater]

Do Black people even swim?
Have you ever even met an actual black person?

[srvy]

Wait, is that a Black lifeguard on the right?

Yes slouched over asleep unaware of all the infractions going on around her.

[DaNewGuy]

Yes slouched over asleep unaware of all the infractions going on around her.

LMAO

[Spott]

So the white kids with tans also count as black people? I had no idea.

[Baby Lee]

How ironic would it be if one of those complaining had one of their kids get hurt because there wasn't a nifty sign warning them against unsafe practices?

[displacedinMN]

It's too easy to be offended today.

The problem with social media is everyone gets a voice.

[ping2000]

Wait, is that a Black lifeguard on the right?
Yes. She used to be a politician from Ferguson, but was busted for drunk driving and illegal gun possession.

[Chief Roundup]

That is not racist nice try though.

[dj56dt58]

I think it's obvious..the black kids are diving in to get the weed they dropped in the pool

[Donger]

Have you ever even met an actual black person?

Not in a swimming pool.

[Rain Man]

I'm guessing that they didn't hire a professional firm to develop the poster. Everyone who works in advertising in any capacity knows that you cannot depict anyone negatively unless they're a white male, and preferably an overweight bald white male.

[Gonzo]

It is a bit iffy. Especially the lifeguards expression:

"Oh no you di-int"

[Setsuna]

Do Black people even swim?

Nope. :cuss:

[Demonpenz]

#Swimming

[MMXcalibur]

Idiots are offended by this type of shit.

[scho63]

This country's level of suckness and stupidity and being offended all the time has grown exponentially worse since bike helmet wearing pussyman Obama took office.

[displacedinMN]

to the tune of LEGO "Everything is Awesome'

Everythings offensive!!!!
Everything is bad when you have low self esteem
Everythings offensive!!!
When you live in a dream

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Cocoa Butter.

[ChiefGator]

to the tune of LEGO "Everything is Awesome'

Everythings offensive!!!!
Everything is bad when you have low self esteem
Everythings offensive!!!
When you live in a dream

Ha.. pretty good!

It was a bit stupid not to notice that the only cool kids were white kids in the picture, honestly. Someone associated with the poster probably should have caught that.

Obviously, I'm not offended.. but it is a bit insensitive in a time when everyone appears to be uber-sensitive.

[kcpasco]

The white dude is getting drunk around a bunch of kids.

[stumppy]

Yes slouched over asleep unaware of all the infractions going on around her.

Looks like she's flashing a gang sign too.

[loochy]

MICROAGGRESSIONS

[Predarat]

That kid diving is not black, he is mezcan, and mexcans have piss poor diving board etiquette so its actually accurate.

[lcarus]

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[Fish]

http://i68.tinypic.com/2cnbkt3.jpg

[Molitoth]

The blue whale is pissed because he is the obvious minority in the picture.

[lcarus]

The blue whale is pissed because he is the obvious minority in the picture.

Hey now. Blue lives matter too.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

not really, but I can see why it's questioned. a poor choice by the illustrator.

[loochy]

http://i68.tinypic.com/2cnbkt3.jpg

That offends me because he is holding the reel UPSIDE DOWN. Spinning reels should hang to the bottom. The line won't wind properly if the reel is flipped to the top. Also, the balance of the rod and reel will be completely off.

[Fish]

That offends me because he is holding the reel UPSIDE DOWN. Spinning reels should hang to the bottom. The line won't wind properly if the reel is flipped to the top. Also, the balance of the rod and reel will be completely off.

http://i.imgur.com/utzTCyo.png

[lawrenceRaider]

Found where someone fixed the poster.

http://www.glennbeck.com/publish/uploads/2016/06/main-corrected-racist-pool-poster2.jpg

[alpha_omega]

Ha...some of the comments in this thread are more offensive than the actual poster in question. In other words...the poster is not offensive at all.

[Rain Man]

I find the Indian woman sitting on the edge of the pool to be kind of attractive. If I was single and a cartoon I would probably ask her out.

(I'm assuming that she's Indian and not Hispanic because there's no negative labeling on her.)

[BlackHelicopters]

Poster is spot on.

[BucEyedPea]

I am confused though. There is a white guy who is uncool and a few blacks who are not designated at all. I thought we were being told that it was obviously racist but the message seems to be mixed. :shrug:

2 whites uncool
2 black /brown uncool
Black/brown lifeguard warning them to not be uncool.

[DaFace]

When I want to know if something is racist, the first place I think of to look for feedback is a forum full of middle-aged white dudes.

[lcarus]

When I want to know if something is racist, the first place I think of to look for feedback is a forum full of middle-aged white dudes.

Who do you normally look for when you need someone to tell you how to feel about things?

[stevieray]

middle-aged white dudes.
Geez, STFU

[lawrenceRaider]

When I want to know if something is racist, the first place I think of to look for feedback is a forum full of middle-aged white dudes.

Considering they are supposed to be the source of all racism, what better barometer could you find?

[ThaVirus]

Considering they are supposed to be the source of all racism, what better barometer could you find?


Probably literally anywhere else

[Predarat]

That damn shallow end lifeguard is female version of Uncle Tom!! Unless she is only yelling at white kids and leaving the black kids alone, then that is OK.

[stumppy]

I find the Indian woman sitting on the edge of the pool to be kind of attractive. If I was single and a cartoon I would probably ask her out.

(I'm assuming that she's Indian and not Hispanic because there's no negative labeling on her.)

She's like 12 yrs old. You're going to cartoon prison man. You'll get put in a cell with the Tasmanian Devil and end up as his milk toast bitch for the next 10 years.

[Mr. Laz]

This country's level of suckness and stupidity and being offended all the time has grown exponentially worse since bike helmet wearing pussyman Obama took office.
Congratulation, you're a stupid fuck who watches too much Faux News.


I imagine Donald Trump is your hero.

[Simply Red]

I think it's very racist.

[DaneMcCloud]

Racist? I think that's a little over the top. Inappropriate? Definitely.

Let's break this down: There are 19 people in this depiction, nine of which appear to be Caucasian and ten that appear to be people of color.

Four people of color are deemed "Not Cool". That's 21% of the people in the illustration. One Caucasian is deemed "Not Cool", which is 5% of the people in the illustration.

Two people are deemed "Cool", both of which happen to be Caucasian or 11% of the people shown in the illustration while zero, or 0%, of the people of color are deemed "Cool".

I don't suspect there was intent, prejudice or racism on behalf of the Red Cross but IMO, someone should have noted that according to this illustration, Caucasians are generally "Cool" while people of color are generally "Not Cool".

[TimBone]

Ha.. pretty good!

It was a bit stupid not to notice that the only cool kids were white kids in the picture, honestly. Someone associated with the poster probably should have caught that.

Obviously, I'm not offended.. but it is a bit insensitive in a time when everyone appears to be uber-sensitive.

not really, but I can see why it's questioned. a poor choice by the illustrator.
This is about where I am at. Obviously it's silly to bother being offended by this when there's much bigger problems in the world, but the illustrator surely could have spread the uncoolness around a bit. Probably was an oversight, but an easy one to see and fix in order to avoid silly backlash.

[Beef Supreme]

I thought we weren't supposed to see color.

[Simply Red]

only kidding. I don't care either way :) I would never look at it and think anything of it, I look at a lot of vintage signs and things, often, it's something I like. There's a store in China called **gger King, I think that's pretty crazy!

[TimBone]

Probably literally anywhere else
LMAO

[vailpass]

What the hell are the parents of the white kids doing letting them swim with the ghetto children in the first place?

[Fish]

Racist? I think that's a little over the top. Inappropriate? Definitely.

Let's break this down: There are 19 people in this depiction, nine of which appear to be Caucasian and ten that appear to be people of color.

Four people of color are deemed "Not Cool". That's 21% of the people in the illustration. One Caucasian is deemed "Not Cool", which is 5% of the people in the illustration.

Two people are deemed "Cool", both of which happen to be Caucasian or 11% of the people shown in the illustration while zero, or 0%, of the people of color are deemed "Cool".

I don't suspect there was intent, prejudice or racism on behalf of the Red Cross but IMO, someone should have noted that according to this illustration, Caucasians are generally "Cool" while people of color are generally "Not Cool".

The idea that we have to have equal racial representation on everything or else it's deemed racist is a silly and unnecessary notion to me.

[Dartgod]

Geez, STFU

We're past middle-age dude.

[Setsuna]

What the hell are the parents of the white kids doing letting them swim with the ghetto children in the first place?

ROFLROFLROFLLMAOLMAOLMAO

[DaneMcCloud]

The idea that we have to have equal racial representation on everything or else it's deemed racist is a silly and unnecessary notion to me.

I don't disagree but I think that the Red Cross dropped the ball with this illustration.

[journeyscarab]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/018/510/858.gif

[Rain Man]

She's like 12 yrs old. You're going to cartoon prison man. You'll get put in a cell with the Tasmanian Devil and end up as his milk toast bitch for the next 10 years.

You couldn't keep cartoon me in prison. I'd paint a train tunnel on my cell wall and use it to escape.

[alpha_omega]

Racist? I think that's a little over the top. Inappropriate? Definitely.

Let's break this down: There are 19 people in this depiction, nine of which appear to be Caucasian and ten that appear to be people of color.

Four people of color are deemed "Not Cool". That's 21% of the people in the illustration. One Caucasian is deemed "Not Cool", which is 5% of the people in the illustration.

Two people are deemed "Cool", both of which happen to be Caucasian or 11% of the people shown in the illustration while zero, or 0%, of the people of color are deemed "Cool"......

Fuck! You have to do math to figure out it it's racist or not???????? If math is required first...i would submit that it really isn't racist.

[DaneMcCloud]

Fuck! You have to do math to figure out it it's racist or not???????? If math is required first...i would submit that it really isn't racist.

:facepalm:

[alpha_omega]

:facepalm:

Whatcha covering your face for?

[fan4ever]

To me, crap like this dilutes the other situations that are way more valid...so eventually we'll get to the stage where "Hey, that's racism..." cries will be met with rolling eyes, and a "Here we go again" knee jerk reaction...if we haven't already. IMO this kind of mountain-out-of-a-mole-hill thing is a disservice to those who are faced with true racism.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

So is the only way that something isn't considered racist is if the white people are getting the shit-end of the stick?

[Dayze]

That's correct.

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[Red Dawg]

Blacks people and gays are offended by everything these days.

[LoneWolf]

There are a number of things in the poster that are more racist than the "uncool" tags.

1. There are no black parents at the pool. Unless it's the first of the month and they are all at the post office getting their welfare check, this poster is saying black parents don't care for their children.

2. The black boy diving into the pool is obviously chasing after the red headed girl with the big booty (look at the wave pattern around her waist).

3. The white kid chasing the black kid is obviously playing a game of cops and robbers.

[vailpass]

There are a number of things in the poster that are more racist than the "uncool" tags.

1. There are no black parents at the pool. Unless it's the first of the month and they are all at the post office getting their welfare check, this poster is saying black parents don't care for their children.

2. The black boy diving into the pool is obviously chasing after the red headed girl with the big booty (look at the wave pattern around her waist).

3. The white kid chasing the black kid is obviously playing a game of cops and robbers.

:D

Depend on me like the first and fifteenth...

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I'd be interested in a breakdown of who feels this thread has racist content.

[vailpass]

I'd be interested in a breakdown of who feels this thread has racist content.

hai ther

https://clearlycaneda.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/white-guilt-white-guilt-politics-1340471595.jpg

[LoneWolf]

I'd be interested in a breakdown of who feels this thread has racist content.

It certainly does. Most of it is intentional and tongue-in-cheek to prove the point that anyone who views this poster as racist is a complete dumb fuck.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

It certainly does. Most of it is intentional and tongue-in-cheek to prove the point that anyone who views this poster as racist is a complete dumb ****.

But not all, and probably a surprising amount of posters don't see anything wrong with it.

[Red Dawg]

There are a number of things in the poster that are more racist than the "uncool" tags.

1. There are no black parents at the pool. Unless it's the first of the month and they are all at the post office getting their welfare check, this poster is saying black parents don't care for their children.

2. The black boy diving into the pool is obviously chasing after the red headed girl with the big booty (look at the wave pattern around her waist).

3. The white kid chasing the black kid is obviously playing a game of cops and robbers.

Nailed it. lolROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

[RobBlake]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/41/1d/cc/411dcca72686fc99fff4f2d57d0b1a3e.jpg

of course white people like you don't care

[Passepartout]

Did not know what that meant but when looking at it, it was offensive. Applaud those with good eyes.

[Scorp]

Who the hell cares? The pussification of America continues. If I offend you, I DONT CARE! That's what everyone should say to anyone that says they are offended.

[LoneWolf]

of course white people like you don't care

How do you know I'm white? Is it because I've posted on CP about my job and because I generally use proper spelling and grammar when posting?

RACIST!!!!

[ptlyon]

How do you know I'm white? Is it because I've posted on CP about my job and because I generally use proper spelling and grammar when posting?

RACIST!!!!


No, it's because you're from Wichita

[Amnorix]

I'm guessing that they didn't hire a professional firm to develop the poster. Everyone who works in advertising in any capacity knows that you cannot depict anyone negatively unless they're a white male, and preferably an overweight bald white male.


The good news, however, is that Rain Man's career as a model and actor with roles demonstrating what not to do, etc., is taking off nicely!

[TimBone]

No, it's because you're from Wichita
Hahahaha

[Rain Man]

The good news, however, is that Rain Man's career as a model and actor with roles demonstrating what not to do, etc., is taking off nicely!

I wish. My niche is more in "unfriendly guy at bus stop who doesn't offer his seat to pregnant women".

The real money right now is for roles as "immature and incompetent father in family comedies".

[MahiMike]

Just one reason I could never be a spokesperson for a company. Like when an issue like this comes up my response to retarded claims would probably be "get ****ed".

Dayze, a Red Cross spokesperson, said after careful consideration of the issue at hand, told the AP and those offended, to "Get ****ed"

This. I'd last 1 day.

[LoneWolf]

No, it's because you're from Wichita

ROFL You've obviously never heard of the Carr brothers. ROFL

[Scorp]

The Red Cross Spokesperson responded today...."Zero Fucks Given!".........Back to you Tom with the weather.

[eDave]

I find nothing offensive with this. I'll call out racism when I see it and this ain't it. Lordy be.

[beach tribe]

It would really be sad if it was just an honest mistake by someone who doesn't pay any attention to race and was unaware of what they had done.

Slim chance, but possible, nonetheless.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

It would really be sad if it was just an honest mistake by someone who doesn't pay any attention to race and was unaware of what they had done.

Slim chance, but possible, nonetheless.

I would say that is the most likely explanation. I can't count how many times I've had students who have unintentionally written/said something that could easily be construed as bigoted.

[displacedinMN]

I would say that is the most likely explanation. I can't count how many times I've had students who have unintentionally written/said something that could easily be construed as bigoted.

True. There are also people out there looking to twist words and ideas to make it look racist.

[OldSchool]

Do Black people even swim?

A while ago, I watched these lifeguard rescue vids for tips. The biggest tip I picked up was that I should probably racially profile. The vast majority of the rescues they posted were of black kids who couldn't swim.

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[DaneMcCloud]

It would really be sad if it was just an honest mistake by someone who doesn't pay any attention to race and was unaware of what they had done.

Slim chance, but possible, nonetheless.

I would say that is the most likely explanation. I can't count how many times I've had students who have unintentionally written/said something that could easily be construed as bigoted.

Which of course could be

Institutional Racism

[displacedinMN]

A while ago, I watched these lifeguard rescue vids for tips. The biggest tip I picked up was that I should probably racially profile. The vast majority of the rescues they posted were of black kids who couldn't swim.

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They are having that discussion here. In the "land of 10,000 lakes" many minority kids do not know how to swim. MPLS is so poor that they have closed some public pools and others cost too much. Kids spend more time inside and do not go to public places and swim.

Some bright state rep wanted to mandate swimming classes in school. Great idea-not physically possible for rural areas.

[ThaVirus]

I know tons of black people that can't swim so there's definitely a lot of truth to that stereotype.

It must be a cultural thing. Maybe not much access to large pools of water in inner cities where the majority of black Americans are concentrated? Lack of desire?

[Beef Supreme]

That damn racist Red Cross. Evil fuckers.

[listopencil]

I'm offended because the poster isn't racist enough.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm offended because the poster isn't racist enough.

LMAO

[RobBlake]

I know tons of black people that can't swim so there's definitely a lot of truth to that stereotype.

It must be a cultural thing. Maybe not much access to large pools of water in inner cities where the majority of black Americans are concentrated? Lack of desire?

I can't imagine there being many pool parties in Africa.

[ThaVirus]

I can't imagine there being many pool parties in Africa.

"Pool" parties, maybe not. But there's tons of water in Africa and it's hot as hell.

I'd imagine black people in the Caribbean can swim at a higher rate than those in the US.

[Bugeater]

I know tons of black people that can't swim so there's definitely a lot of truth to that stereotype.

It must be a cultural thing. Maybe not much access to large pools of water in inner cities where the majority of black Americans are concentrated? Lack of desire?I don't know how common it is for high schools to have swimming pools, especially in the inner cities and other economically depressed areas, but I would imagine that makes a big difference. I never felt comfortable in water at all until I took the required swimming class my freshman year. If one is lacking in even the most basic instruction I can see where they could find themselves in trouble really quickly regardless of what color their skin is.

[ThaVirus]

I don't know how common it is for high schools to have swimming pools, especially in the inner cities and other economically depressed areas, but I would imagine that makes a big difference. I never felt comfortable in water at all until I took the required swimming class my freshman year. If one is lacking in even the most basic instruction I can see where they could find themselves in trouble really quickly regardless of what color their skin is.

Right. I highly doubt there's anything biological or physiological that would cause such a large amount of black people to not be able to swim.

That's why I suggested it was cultural. I've got other cultural speculations as well.

[DaneMcCloud]

I've got other cultural speculations as well.

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter

[OldSchool]

"Pool" parties, maybe not. But there's tons of water in Africa and it's hot as hell.

I'd imagine black people in the Caribbean can swim at a higher rate than those in the US.

Sure, if they don't mind the crocs.

[ThaVirus]

Sure, if they don't mind the crocs.

Hippos are worse.

But crocs and hippos aren't infesting every bit of water on the continent.

[ThaVirus]

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter

Well, OK.

Due to their attempt to conform to society's western beauty standards many black women wear fake hair, which isn't supposed to get wet. I postulate that a desire to look good for women would override a desire to learn a (seemingly) unimportant skill that would compromise their perceived beauty.

Similarly, darker skin is viewed negatively in our society so many blacks tend to avoid direct sun exposure for extended periods of time, which you're likely to find poolside and lakeside. It'd be tough to learn to swim if you're avoiding the sun.

[TimBone]

Which of course could be

Institutional Racism
Why is that in a spoiler?

[DaneMcCloud]

Well, OK.

Due to their attempt to conform to society's western beauty standards many black women wear fake hair, which isn't supposed to get wet. I postulate that a desire to look good for women would override a desire to learn a (seemingly) unimportant skill that would compromise their perceived beauty.

Similarly, darker skin is viewed negatively in our society so many blacks tend to avoid direct sun exposure for extended periods of time, which you're likely to find poolside and lakeside. It'd be tough to learn to swim if you're avoiding the sun.

Hmm. White and even Asian people wear hair extensions as well, so I'm not sure if I agree with that premise. Also, while hair extensions are vastly prevelant, most black and white women that I have known over the years go for completely different styles and looks with the extensions.

I don't think that "dark skin" is viewed negatively. White, Asian and Persian women enjoy the sun and darkening their skin each summer or on vacation or tanning beds.

I think that your earlier assessment, which was people having access to swimming pools, was more on the money.

[DaneMcCloud]

Why is that in a spoiler?

DC

[ThaVirus]

Hmm. White and even Asian people wear hair extensions as well, so I'm not sure if I agree with that premise. Also, while hair extensions are vastly prevelant, most black and white women that I have known over the years go for completely different styles and looks with the extensions.

I don't think that "dark skin" is viewed negatively. White, Asian and Persian women enjoy the sun and darkening their skin each summer or on vacation or tanning beds.

I think that your earlier assessment, which was people having access to swimming pools, was more on the money.

Hair extensions and wigs aren't unique to black American women but I'd venture to guess they're far and away the most prevalent consumers of the product.

If you don't buy that, consider the state of "black" hair. Many black women wear their hair straight, which isn't it's natural state. If they straightened their hair, they avoid water because it'll cause it to frizz/curl.

And, honestly, come on, bro. Dark brown/black skin is certainly viewed negatively in our society.

[DaneMcCloud]

And, honestly, come on, bro. Dark brown/black skin is certainly viewed negatively in our society.

Dark skin is viewed negatively when it's an African-American. Otherwise, getting "dark" is the goal every other ethnicity every summer (or year round in some locales).

As for the "straitening", you're likely to have a better handle on that than me but I will say that my children are intentionally enrolled in a diverse school and I don't know of any African American women with straight hair extensions.

It's natural or dreads. Personally, I dig natural. I think it's fucking hot.

If I had been born African American, I'd have an Afro so big that it would be difficult to hold my head up.

:D

[ThaVirus]

Dark skin is viewed negatively when it's an African-American.

That's exactly my point. If you're black in this country, you don't want to get darker.

I think natural hair is sexy as well but it's really only starting to make a resurgence over the past couple of years since it died down after the 70s. I'm trying to think of one black female celebrity that wears her hair in its natural state and am drawing s complete blank.

[DaneMcCloud]

That's exactly my point. If you're black in this country, you don't want to get darker.

I think natural hair is sexy as well but it's really only starting to make a resurgence over the past couple of years since it died down after the 70s. I'm trying to think of one black female celebrity that wears her hair in its natural state and am drawing s complete blank.

I've never seen "Empire" (I'm a million shows behind) but as I've mentioned, I saw Taraji at Gelsons on NYE and besides the fact she was smokin' hot in yoga pants, she had no makeup and natural hair.

I don't know if she's like that on the show.

Otherwise, I'd have to think about it. I generally don't "think about it" unless a topic like this comes up, which never does in "real life".

People are just people.

[ThaVirus]

I've never seen "Empire" (I'm a million shows behind) but as I mentioned, I saw her at Gelsons on NYE and besides the fact she was smokin' hot in yoga pants, she had no makeup and natural hair.

I don't know if she's like that on the show.

I'm guessing you're talking about Taraji Henson? I've never seen her with anything other than straightened hair (which isn't unnatural), but if so that's great. I love her.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm guessing you're talking about Taraji Henson? I've never seen her with anything other than straightened hair (which isn't unnatural), but if so that's great. I love her.

Sorry man, I edited my post after reading it.

And yes, Taraji is a freaking goddess.

If you had been with me in line at Gelsons...:D

[GloryDayz]

Do Black people even swim?

The Navy Master diver who was my dive instructor could swim, so yes.

[stevieray]

And, honestly, come on, bro. Dark brown/black skin is certainly viewed negatively in our society.

BS

[LoneWolf]

The Navy Master diver who was my dive instructor could swim, so yes.

Carl Brashear? Did you call him cookie?

[Setsuna]

BS

You are incorrect. My oldest sister got made fun of brutally by black people because of the darkness of her skin. Go take your ignorance elsewhere sir.

Edit: She was being made fun of at Sunday school. Just another added fact to this.

[stevieray]

You are incorrect. My oldest sister got made fun of brutally by black people because of the darkness of her skin. Go take your ignorance elsewhere sir.

Edit: She was being made fun of at Sunday school. Just another added fact to this.

ya, everywhere I look, no black people.

:rolleyes:

[GloryDayz]

Carl Brashear? Did you call him cookie?

No, Eddie Johnson. But I called him Ed.

[BucEyedPea]

If I had been born African American, I'd have an Afro so big that it would be difficult to hold my head up.

:D

You dot need to be African American to even have an afro. Can be white and have very curly-kinky hair. My brother had one for years. He has hair just like a black person. And olive skin too.

[DaneMcCloud]

You need to be African American to even have an afro. Can be white and have very curly-kinky hair. My brother had one for years. He has hair just like a black person. And olive skin too.


Okay? :D

[LoneWolf]

ya, everywhere I look, no black people.

:rolleyes:

Setsuna is usually a moron, but on this subject he is spot on. Darker skinned black people are often made fun of by other black people and looked at differently than light skinned black people by whites.

[Rain Man]

Why is that in a spoiler?

I rather enjoyed the drama of it.

[RobBlake]

BS

how ****ing willfully ignorant do you have to be to not to see that?

[BucEyedPea]

Okay? :D

I meant you don't have to be African American to have an afro. I corrected my original type but see I replaced it with another.

[RobBlake]

"Pool" parties, maybe not. But there's tons of water in Africa and it's hot as hell.

I'd imagine black people in the Caribbean can swim at a higher rate than those in the US.

Probs. I was never put in a class even during highshool.. and I can't really swim.. more so, can't tread water and i'm half black.

[RobBlake]

I meant you don't have to be African American to have an afro. I corrected my original type but see I replaced it with another.

very true.. Perhaps they have some african lineage

[RobBlake]

Setsuna is usually a moron, but on this subject he is spot on. Darker skinned black people are often made fun of by other black people and looked at differently than light skinned black people by whites.

yes and no. Light skin brothas are often viewed as "weak" compared to those dark chocolate menss

[Rain Man]

It's natural or dreads. Personally, I dig natural. I think it's ****ing hot.

If I had been born African American, I'd have an Afro so big that it would be difficult to hold my head up.

:D

If I was an African American woman, I'd go with the Sideshow Bob look. I think that's a great look. I'd show a picture of it if I knew the name of the hairstyle, but apparently a google search for "sideshow bob african american woman's hairstyle" doesn't show it.

But I'm a white guy, so I shave my head.

[RobBlake]

If I was an African American woman, I'd go with the Sideshow Bob look. I think that's a great look. I'd show a picture of it if I knew the name of the hairstyle, but apparently a google search for "sideshow bob african american woman's hairstyle" doesn't show it.

But I'm a white guy, so I shave my head.

especially when it's a petite sugah momma with a right amount of attitude.. boyyy. This makes me think of 70s era, roller skatin chicks.

[Coochie liquor]

Cocoa Butter.

Used to bang a black girl in high school who always smelled like cocoa butter. So I kinda like that smell....

[BucEyedPea]

Have you ever even met an actual black person?

ROFL

[BucEyedPea]

very true.. Perhaps they have some african lineage

Nope Sicilian. Then again Northern Italians don't think we're white. Soooo mmmaaybeee. But he's only half. His hair isn't even black it's brown.
He actually didn't get it from my dad which is the Sicilian side but from my mom who is a blonde, blue-eyed Dutch girl and her hair was very curly. She could have had an afro but didn't. Just a little less coiled.

[LiveSteam]

Nope Sicilian. Then again Northern Italians don't think we're white. Soooo mmmaaybeee. But he's only half. His hair isn't even black it's brown.
He actually didn't get it from my dad which is the Sicilian side but from my mom who is a blonde, blue-eyed Dutch girl and her hair was very curly. She could have had an afro but didn't. Just a little less coiled.
Aren't you a strawberry blond with blue eyes?

[ThaVirus]

Sorry man, I edited my post after reading it.

And yes, Taraji is a freaking goddess.

If you had been with me in line at Gelsons...:D

You've got to take me out on the town when I come out there.

[ThaVirus]

Setsuna is usually a moron, but on this subject he is spot on. Darker skinned black people are often made fun of by other black people and looked at differently than light skinned black people by whites.

Exactly.

It still amazes me that some can't see it. Or, like stevieray, they just don't want to see it.

If you're white then you should know better than anyone. People won't hold their tongue around you. Blacks are easily the most hated group worldwide. You'd be naive to believe that doesn't have an effect on our society.

[stevieray]

how ****ing willfully ignorant do you have to be to not to see that?

Not my life experience, including the military.

[Katipan]

If I was an African American woman, I'd go with the Sideshow Bob look. I think that's a great look. I'd show a picture of it if I knew the name of the hairstyle, but apparently a google search for "sideshow bob african american woman's hairstyle" doesn't show it.

But I'm a white guy, so I shave my head.

Afro twist

[ThaVirus]

If I was an African American woman, I'd go with the Sideshow Bob look. I think that's a great look. I'd show a picture of it if I knew the name of the hairstyle, but apparently a google search for "sideshow bob african american woman's hairstyle" doesn't show it.

But I'm a white guy, so I shave my head.

Looks like a cross between this:

http://menshairstylesclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/hairstyle-2016-the-weeknd.jpg?bb3c18

And this:

http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1bnKNKVXXXXatXXXXq6xXFXXX1/Peruca-font-b-Rihanna-b-font-font-b-Red-b-font-Wigs-Kinky-font-b-Curly.jpg

[mdchiefsfan]

To me, crap like this dilutes the other situations that are way more valid...so eventually we'll get to the stage where "Hey, that's racism..." cries will be met with rolling eyes, and a "Here we go again" knee jerk reaction...if we haven't already. IMO this kind of mountain-out-of-a-mole-hill thing is a disservice to those who are faced with true racism.

Boom! my thoughts exactly

[Coochie liquor]

only kidding. I don't care either way :) I would never look at it and think anything of it, I look at a lot of vintage signs and things, often, it's something I like. There's a store in China called **gger King, I think that's pretty crazy!


You think that's racist? There's a restaurant not far from me named...http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/b29da6409156b37e5bf7ed6278dfcf89.jpg


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[loochy]

Blacks are easily the most hated group worldwide. You'd be naive to believe that doesn't have an effect on our society.

Even more than Arab? I would agree if you said "looked down upon" or "kept down", but I think Arabs drive more actual hate.

[Gonzo]

You think that's racist? There's a restaurant not far from me named...http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/b29da6409156b37e5bf7ed6278dfcf89.jpg


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Oh cool, I think they're a chain actually. I have a restaurant close by that they're affiliated with called Nga-Plz.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Oh cool, I think they're a chain actually. I have a restaurant close by that they're affiliated with called Nga-Plz.

ROFL

[Dartgod]

You couldn't keep cartoon me in prison. I'd paint a train tunnel on my cell wall and use it to escape.

That's a really bad idea. As soon as you step into that tunnel, you know a train is coming.

[WhiteWhale]

This country's level of suckness and stupidity and being offended all the time has grown exponentially worse since bike helmet wearing pussyman Obama took office.

It's true, but correlation doesn't equal causation.

It has far more to do with the growth of social media, particularly twitter and tumblr.

[WhiteWhale]

Even more than Arab? I would agree if you said "looked down upon" or "kept down", but I think Arabs drive more actual hate.

Muslims. Not arabs... muslims.

Nobody is saying 'Those arab christians in Lebanon are a real problem."

[ThaVirus]

Even more than Arab? I would agree if you said "looked down upon" or "kept down", but I think Arabs drive more actual hate.


I'd still say blacks but would concede that Arabs are competition.

I like the fact that you agree that they're the most "looked down upon" and "kept down", though. Awareness is the key, I think.

[Coochie liquor]

Oh cool, I think they're a chain actually. I have a restaurant close by that they're affiliated with called Nga-Plz.

Dying over here ROFL:clap: +1

[Coochie liquor]

I'd still say blacks but would concede that Arabs are competition.

I like the fact that you agree that they're the most "looked down upon" and "kept down", though. Awareness is the key, I think.

No doubt about it. I've been through the court system a few times, and have seen a white guy come in with the same charges as a black guy, seemingly same previous record. Black guy always got a harsher sentence. It's absolutely ridiculous! I'll never understand that shit. Seen white guys come in doing bigger crimes getting less time than black guys doing lesser crimes. It's the good ol boy network in small towns/counties in Florida.

[ThaVirus]

No doubt about it. I've been through the court system a few times, and have seen a white guy come in with the same charges as a black guy, seemingly same previous record. Black guy always got a harsher sentence. It's absolutely ridiculous! I'll never understand that shit. Seen white guys come in doing bigger crimes getting less time than black guys doing lesser crimes. It's the good ol boy network in small towns/counties in Florida.


Oh, yes.

Blacks receive harsher sentences, communities are certainly not policed the same, those with "black"-sounding names on resumes are significantly less likely to receive a call back for a job offer, etc. There are many tangible effects of racism still left in this country.

I don't think there's some huge conspiracy by 'the man' to hold blacks down anymore (although the institution still often does), and many of them certainly bring it upon themselves, but we've still got a long way to go to experience true equality.

[Coochie liquor]

Oh, yes.

Blacks receive harsher sentences, communities are certainly not policed the same, those with "black"-sounding names on resumes are significantly less likely to receive a call back for a job offer, etc. There are many tangible effects of racism still left in this country.

I don't think there's some huge conspiracy by 'the man' to hold blacks down anymore (although the institution still often does), and many of them certainly bring it upon themselves, but we've still got a long way to go to experience true equality.

Very true. I can tell you this. I see racism slowly being lessened as our youth take over the country. As a kid I didn't really see it until I moved out of the city, then I was kinda shocked by it. I grew up with white and black kids, hung with both for most of my childhood, and teens. I see a lot less racism in my kids and their friends, than the kids I encountered when I moved out of the city, and honestly even since then. Today's youth (at least the ones I see regularly) have a much different vision of the world than when I was growing up. I hope one day we can be equal and not judged by anyone's skin color, or sexual orientation. I think our kids generation may be the ones to take the next step when they reach our ages, and take over the political and social landscape of the country.

[stevieray]

If only the NFL were 100% black, instead of 70%, we'd experience true equality.

[stevieray]

Very true. I can tell you this. I see racism slowly being lessened as our youth take over the country. As a kid I didn't really see it until I moved out of the city, then I was kinda shocked by it. I grew up with white and black kids, hung with both for most of my childhood, and teens. I see a lot less racism in my kids and their friends, than the kids I encountered when I moved out of the city, and honestly even since then. Today's youth (at least the ones I see regularly) have a much different vision of the world than when I was growing up. I hope one day we can be equal and not judged by anyone's skin color, or sexual orientation. I think our kids generation may be the ones to take the next step when they reach our ages, and take over the political and social landscape of the country.

yup, no generation before has ever gotten along.

:rolleyes:

[Coochie liquor]

yup, no generation before has ever gotten along.

:rolleyes:

Have they?? Sorry for throwing my thoughts out there. I'm sure you're a more seasoned individual than most.

[ThaVirus]

If only the NFL were 100% black, instead of 70%, we'd experience true equality.



Man.. Ya still don't get it.

[stevieray]

Man.. Ya still don't get it.

No, you're the one who doesn't get it.

My generation didn't grow up OBSSESSED with race.

Your victimhood mantra is a slap in the face of every hardworking man.

[stevieray]

Have they?? Sorry for throwing my thoughts out there. I'm sure you're a more seasoned individual than most.

:rolleyes:

[stumppy]

You couldn't keep cartoon me in prison. I'd paint a train tunnel on my cell wall and use it to escape.

Just in time for the ACME train to come rolling through at top speed.

[Coochie liquor]

No, you're the one who doesn't get it.

My generation didn't grow up OBSSESSED with race.

Your victimhood mantra is a slap in the face of every hardworking man.

Says someone who's likely never been racially profiled. Got it!

Yeah race relations were at an all time high in the 60's and 70's right? The 80's had to have been better, and probably were very slightly.

Everything is changing whether you wanna see it or not. How many gay friends did you have in school? How many do your kids have (not sure if your age but just using that as an example). There was like one gay kid in our school when I grew up. Now there's lots, and it's more acceptable. My daughter has a few gay friends. It's a new day, hopefully the youth can correct the mistakes that the past generations couldn't/wouldn't.

[stevieray]

Says someone who's likely never been racially profiled. Got it!

Yeah race relations were at an all time high in the 60's and 70's right? The 80's had to have been better, and probably were very slightly.

Everything is changing whether you wanna see it or not. How many gay friends did you have in school? How many do your kids have (not sure if your age but just using that as an example). There was like one gay kid in our school when I grew up. Now there's lots, and it's more acceptable. My daughter has a few gay friends. It's a new day, hopefully the youth can correct the mistakes that the past generations couldn't/wouldn't.

Things have been changing since the beginning of this country.

Hey, if you claim that blacks are racist against other blacks, then you must see yourself as the same way, yet hold no accountability for those actions.

[ThaVirus]

No, you're the one who doesn't get it.



My generation didn't grow up OBSSESSED with race.



Your victimhood mantra is a slap in the face of every hardworking man.


Yep. You're never going to get it.

[Coochie liquor]

Things have been changing since the beginning of this country.

Hey, if you claim that blacks are racist against other blacks, then you must see yourself as the same way, yet hold no accountability for those actions.

Are you a country music fan??

[vailpass]

In general the average American is tired of race and sexual orientation talks dominating the media landscape and grows more so every day. Continuing to beat the issue into the ground is hurting those who actually need the help.

[Otter]

In general the average American is tired of race and sexual orientation talks dominating the media landscape and grows more so every day. Continuing to beat the issue into the ground is hurting those who actually need the help. I used to be more aware of racial issues. Now as soon as the issue is brought up I just assume it's some whiny, entitled douche bag looking for something to cry about. Yeah, I'm almost completely desensitized to the issue due to having it rammed down my throat the last 8 years.

[Fish]

In general the average American is tired of race and sexual orientation talks dominating the media landscape and grows more so every day. Continuing to beat the issue into the ground is hurting those who actually need the help.

If the average American actually was tired of hearing about it, then it wouldn't be dominating the media.

[Otter]

If the average American actually was tired of hearing about it, then it wouldn't be dominating the media. The average American that works for a living and pulls their own weight is tired of hearing about race. If you're unemployed, broke and looking to be a victim or an idealist college student with no idea how the real world works I bet it's pretty high on your list.

[Fish]

The average American that works for a living and pulls their own weight is tired of hearing about race. If you're unemployed, broke and looking to be a victim or an idealist college student with no idea how the real world works I bet it's pretty high on your list.

Like I said, if that were true then people would actually be turning off the media and the media would be forced to talk about something else. But they aren't. This is a story because our society is in the midst of considerable change. The younger generation isn't tired of hearing about race. Quite the opposite. They see aspects of it that the older generation has chosen to ignore for a long time. They've chosen to address the racism that's still quite evident in our society. And that generation is slowly taking over whether you like it or not. The real world has changed. And as evidence in this thread, the older generation still jumps in and complains about not wanting to hear about it every chance they get.

[vailpass]

If the average American actually was tired of hearing about it, then it wouldn't be dominating the media.

Fish, you are smarter than this.

[vailpass]

Like I said, if that were true then people would actually be turning off the media and the media would be forced to talk about something else. But they aren't. This is a story because our society is in the midst of considerable change. The younger generation isn't tired of hearing about race. Quite the opposite. They see aspects of it that the older generation has chosen to ignore for a long time. They've chosen to address the racism that's still quite evident in our society. And that generation is slowly taking over whether you like it or not. The real world has changed. And as evidence in this thread, the older generation still jumps in and complains about not wanting to hear about it every chance they get.

That is not at all true of my experience with my 17, 13, and 11 year old sons or their friends/classmates. They are amused at the current state of politics in particular the candidates for President. They are oblivious to race issues and want to be left to their pursuits free of having to carry the banner of radical social change you think they do.

[Rausch]

I don't even understand it.

It looks like it's created by someone hired by Reading Rainbow, with autism, who tried their best...

[lawrenceRaider]

Like I said, if that were true then people would actually be turning off the media and the media would be forced to talk about something else. But they aren't. This is a story because our society is in the midst of considerable change. The younger generation isn't tired of hearing about race. Quite the opposite. They see aspects of it that the older generation has chosen to ignore for a long time. They've chosen to address the racism that's still quite evident in our society. And that generation is slowly taking over whether you like it or not. The real world has changed. And as evidence in this thread, the older generation still jumps in and complains about not wanting to hear about it every chance they get.

No. People tune in to things that annoy them just as much as they do to things they agree with. See Howard Stern's entire career where more people actually tuned into his show because they hated him than because they actually enjoyed his show.

I'm hoping that you aren't one of the micro aggressions and safe space people. Bigotry in general is at all time lows, so those who make a living off of keeping people at odds have to find smaller and smaller examples of problems then magnify them to keep the cash flowing.

[Otter]

Like I said, if that were true then people would actually be turning off the media and the media would be forced to talk about something else. But they aren't. This is a story because our society is in the midst of considerable change. The younger generation isn't tired of hearing about race. Quite the opposite. They see aspects of it that the older generation has chosen to ignore for a long time. They've chosen to address the racism that's still quite evident in our society. And that generation is slowly taking over whether you like it or not. The real world has changed. And as evidence in this thread, the older generation still jumps in and complains about not wanting to hear about it every chance they get.

Not really sure where we're disagreeing here.

Hey, if you want to get pissed off over a YMCA poster or demand the name of one of the buildings you study in on your campus be changed, that the donor paid for out of private funds and goodwill, because their last name is "Lynch" then expect to be ignored and ridiculed. There's valid claims of racism and utter bullshit like the ones (to name a few) mentioned above.

And myself and most people with a working brain have seen so much bullshit we no longer pay attention or care to dissect the bullshit from the real incidents.

Remember that whole 'boy who cried wolf' parable? Well, you're watching that unfold as well within your march to the promised land.

https://christopherfountain.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/melissa-click.jpg

Be on the lookout for micro aggressions! Can never have too much to complain about!



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[ThaVirus]

I guess it kind of makes sense that a bunch of people born in or raised by those who lived in the Jim Crow era would think racism isn't an issue anymore.

[Otter]

I guess it kind of makes sense that a bunch of people born in or raised by those who lived in the Jim Crow era would think racism isn't an issue anymore. No one said it wasn't an issue sweet heart. And if you're speaking about my age I might be younger than you. Sorry I didn't fall hook, line and sinker and goose in cadence step for the little puppet show put on by some parties.</br></br>When I get a lobotomy and can't tell the difference between real issues and bullshit look me up.

[Fish]

Fish, you are smarter than this.

Not sure what you mean. The media is 100% dependent on their audience's interest in their offerings. If it were true that nobody wanted to hear it, then the media wouldn't make any money and would switch to something that people did want to hear. The fact that it dominates the media is direct evidence that people in fact do want to hear about it. That may not be true for you and your family, but it's clearly true for the populace in general.

Again, the fact that this thread has already went 180 posts is evidence enough that people from both sides are interested.

[Rain Man]

The challenge for all of us is defining a level that's "overlookable". I think we would all agree that zero is the acceptable number for racism, so even a small incident is not good. But at what point is a small incident just normal noise and at what point is it part of "death by a thousand cuts".

From my perspective, I get annoyed by the fact that TV shows and commercials often present adult men as being incompetent and immature. Watch any show that features a male parent and you'll see it. It's not something I'm going to go to war over, but when it's presented over and over and over, it's annoying and I think it affects people's perceptions.

I would see this poster and other stuff like it as falling in that same vein. It's not worth going to war over, but if you keep having stuff like this, it affects people's perceptions. It's good to point out and say, 'eh, not cool'.

At the same time, representation sometimes makes us all look bad. In a perfect world, sometimes the incompetent person on a TV show will be the mother and not the father. Sometimes the uncool people on a poster will be minorities. Sometimes the thug on a crime show will be white. Hopefully at some point we'll all recognize that every story has a villain and sometimes they'll look like us. The key is to reach the point where there's not a pattern in how the villain is portrayed.

[Otter]

I guess it kind of makes sense that a bunch of people born in or raised by those who lived in the Jim Crow era would think racism isn't an issue anymore. Oh, and it's nice to stereotyping is OK. Could have sworn you said that was a problem earlier. Hypocrite.

[stevieray]

Yep. You're never going to get it.

...of course you have no rebuttal.

You're no more black than my wife, but you're so enlightened.

...tell us how oppressed you are while procuring a job that allows you the freedom to post on the planet all day.

[Rausch]

At the same time, representation sometimes makes us all look bad. In a perfect world, sometimes the incompetent person on a TV show will be the mother and not the father. Sometimes the uncool people on a poster will be minorities. Sometimes the thug on a crime show will be white. Hopefully at some point we'll all recognize that every story has a villain and sometimes they'll look like us. The key is to reach the point where there's not a pattern in how the villain is portrayed.

That point will never happen.

There should come a point to where we don't buy because we don't like.

You, Rain Man, know of all people that point doesn't ever happen.

If we think brand A is racist or horrible we don't buy it or brand B of the same, we shift our money in a different direction. To product D.

[stevieray]

I guess it kind of makes sense that a bunch of people born in or raised by those who lived in the Jim Crow era would think racism isn't an issue anymore.
poor baby.

I grew up with a grandma 1908-1985 who taught me that all people are children of God.

...but you keep running with that stereotype.

[stevieray]

Are you a country music fan??

LMAO Is Hootie?

I'm a music fan.

[DaneMcCloud]

From my perspective, I get annoyed by the fact that TV shows and commercials often present adult men as being incompetent and immature. Watch any show that features a male parent and you'll see it. It's not something I'm going to go to war over, but when it's presented over and over and over, it's annoying and I think it affects people's perceptions.

Generally speaking, you see those types of adult males in comedies because it's supposed to be funny.

It's rare that you see an incompetent male father figure in a drama, adventure or sci-fi story. They may have flaws but they're not bumbling idiots.

That said, I agree: That characterization has run its course, at least for me.

[ThaVirus]

Oh, and it's nice to stereotyping is OK. Could have sworn you said that was a problem earlier. Hypocrite.


poor baby.



I grew up with a grandma 1908-1985 who taught me that all people are children of God.



...but you keep running with that stereotype.


I was attempting to empathize with your position. If you two had been paying attention you'd see that I also stereotyped black Americans earlier in this very thread in an attempt to understand why such an inordinately large percentage of them can't swim.

[Dallas Chief]

Just one reason I could never be a spokesperson for a company. Like when an issue like this comes up my response to retarded claims would probably be "get fucked".

Dayze, a Red Cross spokesperson, said after careful consideration of the issue at hand, told the AP and those offended, to "Get Fucked"

Late to the thread. Dayze 4 Prez 2016!

[ThaVirus]

...of course you have no rebuttal.

You're no more black than my wife, but you're so enlightened.

...tell us how oppressed you are while procuring a job that allows you the freedom to post on the planet all day.


I have a lot of rebuttals but you'll just counter with the equivalent of a child sticking his fingers in his ears screaming "nuh uh!".

That's a strange argument by the way. "Tell me how oppressed those slaves were with food in their stomachs!"

[GloryDayz]

Generally speaking, you see those types of adult males in comedies because it's supposed to be funny.

It's rare that you see an incompetent male father figure in a drama, adventure or sci-fi story. They may have flaws but they're not bumbling idiots.

That said, I agree: That characterization has run its course, at least for me.Truth...

[Rausch]

I was attempting to empathize with your position. If you two had been paying attention you'd see that I also stereotyped black Americans earlier in this very thread in an attempt to understand why such an inordinately large percentage of them can't swim.

I have a great joke for that.

Get back with me...

[Rausch]

It's rare that you see an incompetent male father figure in a drama, adventure or sci-fi story. They may have flaws but they're not bumbling idiots.

I'd disagree, but it's a movie.

I'll, somehow dig down deep and find a way to overcome...

[Dallas Chief]

I guess it kind of makes sense that a bunch of people born in or raised by those who lived in the Jim Crow era would think racism isn't an issue anymore.

That is a horribly inaccurate statement, historically speaking. I still think of you as an internet chum though.

[ThaVirus]

That is a horribly inaccurate statement, historically speaking. I still think of you as an internet chum though.


Which part?

Let me explain a bit further: I'm not saying EVERYONE with experience living in the Jim Crow era doesn't believe racism isn't a thing anymore. I would think that'd be obvious. I've seen guys like Dane, Fish, Saul Good, Pawnmower, Hamas, etc consistently argue just the opposite and they all most assuredly have parents who spent their formative years in a pre-Civil Rights movement America.

What I was attempting to get at is that if you lived back in that era then you'd know first-hand how far we've come since then. The plight of the modern day black person in America would likely seem trivial to you given your knowledge about how much worse blacks had it pre-1964 or so.

[vailpass]

Oh there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out their ass. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano. Let me tell you something once and for all. Rocky Marciano was good, but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't shit.

[Rausch]

Oh there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out their ass. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano. Let me tell you something once and for all. Rocky Marciano was good, but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't shit.

"Compared to Ali there isn't a man in the world who's ever really felt alive..."

[Dartgod]

Oh there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out their ass. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano. Let me tell you something once and for all. Rocky Marciano was good, but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't shit.

Fuck you! Fuck you! And fuck you! Who's next?

[LiveSteam]

Fish, you are smarter than this.

Vailpass. You are smarter than this.

[TimBone]

I guess it kind of makes sense that a bunch of people born in or raised by those who lived in the Jim Crow era would think racism isn't an issue anymore.
Well, in all honesty, Otter does make a good point. While I do believe racism is alive and well, there is a problem with many minorities using racism as a tool, looking to throw the accusation of racism around at the drop of a hat. And that takes away from those instances where actual racism is an issue. When you see the accusation thrown around 15 times a day in unwarranted situations, you tend to start rolling your eyes at it after a while.

I believe social media is a huge setback to racial relations in this country. I see both blacks and whites sharing the dumbest, most bigoted, hateful memes on Facebook...most of which are usually false in the message they relay. And no one is held accountable.

I was on Facebook the other day, and some dude posted a status that said, "It's a shame that, in a country we built with the sweat off our own backs, that we start off life with a lower credit score than our white counterparts." The status had well over 1000 likes and comments, all just accepting the info and getting outraged at the fact that white America is given a head start with their credit scores.

When I mentioned that it just wasn't true, my comment just went ignored, because it didn't fit the script that was being pushed. Shit like that is annoying.

[LiveSteam]

Its a free country. Which means you are free to pack your shit up and move to a part of the world where racism dose not exist..

Let us know when you find that place.

[vailpass]

"Compared to Ali there isn't a man in the world who's ever really felt alive..."

His mamma call him Clay, imma call him Clay.

[LiveSteam]

Jack Dempsey.

[vailpass]

Jack Dempsey.

You must be outta your God-damned mind! Joe Louis the greatest boxer who ever lived. I'll be with you boys in a minute. He was badder than Cassius Clay, he was better than Sugar Ray, he was badder than - who's that new boy? Mike Tyson! Look like a bull dog! He was badder than him too! He'd whip Mike Tyson's ass, he'd whip all their asses!

[LiveSteam]

You looking at me funny?

[ThaVirus]

Well, in all honesty, Otter does make a good point. While I do believe racism is alive and well, there is a problem with many minorities using racism as a tool, looking to throw the accusation of racism around at the drop of a hat. And that takes away from those instances where actual racism is an issue. When you see the accusation thrown around 15 times a day in unwarranted situations, you tend to start rolling your eyes at it after a while.

I believe social media is a huge setback to racial relations in this country. I see both blacks and whites sharing the dumbest, most bigoted, hateful memes on Facebook...most of which are usually false in the message they relay. And no one is held accountable.

I was on Facebook the other day, and some dude posted a status that said, "It's a shame that, in a country we built with the sweat off our own backs, that we start off life with a lower credit score than our white counterparts." The status had well over 1000 likes and comments, all just accepting the info and getting outraged at the fact that white America is given a head start with their credit scores.

When I mentioned that it just wasn't true, my comment just went ignored, because it didn't fit the script that was being pushed. Shit like that is annoying.

Of course he does. If you'll notice, I never responded to his initial post quoting my post that you quoted (shit, that got confusing fast), because I was just making a general comment.

I don't tend to push racial issues although I really can't help myself in many of these types of threads. I recognize that to make this thing work we're going to need everyone to come together, especially white people. I also recognize that if pushed too far or too often, most will shut down or attempt to marginalized the legitimacy of the movement.

I'm never in here bashing white people like they're evil or this and that. White people do some ****ed up shit like black people do some ****ed up shit like Asian people do some ****ed up shit. Generally I just try and push for awareness. Most people have individual prejudices and that often plays a part on our society. This is particularly important to be aware of for white people because historically and currently, they're the ones in powerful positions in this country.

[ThaVirus]

I've seen a lot of similar posts though, Tim.

A few months ago I had a friend share a post saying homosexuality is not an African trait with a pic of Classical Greek statues depicting homosexual acts. Basically the post was implying that white people infected blacks with gayness LMAO So fucking stupid.

And I've seen several others talking about how, thousands of years ago, whites were living in caves and didn't bathe until they were taught how by African moors.

That kind of shit is so fucking stupid and doesn't help anything. I always make sure to comment on those types of posts as well. I'm not likely to change many minds but if I even change just one, it would be worth it.

[stevieray]

I have a lot of rebuttals but you'll just counter with the equivalent of a child sticking his fingers in his ears screaming "nuh uh!".

That's a strange argument by the way. "Tell me how oppressed those slaves were with food in their stomachs!"

No you don't.

As Ice Cube so aptly put it..you arguing about more frosting on the cake.

[Rain Man]

I've seen a lot of similar posts though, Tim.

A few months ago I had a friend share a post saying homosexuality is not an African trait with a pic of Classical Greek statues depicting homosexual acts. Basically the post was implying that white people infected blacks with gayness LMAO So ****ing stupid.

And I've seen several others talking about how, thousands of years ago, whites were living in caves and didn't bathe until they were taught how by African moors.

That kind of shit is so ****ing stupid and doesn't help anything. I always make sure to comment on those types of posts as well. I'm not likely to change many minds but if I even change just one, it would be worth it.

I read some essay or article once that really stuck with me. The writer talked about things like national pride and cultural pride, and how they're completely nonsensical.

Why are we proud to be Americans? We had nothing to do with the founding of this country or the westward expansion or the era of inventions or winning World War II. We can consider ourselves lucky to be Americans, but why proud? We as individuals have nothing to be proud about, other than maybe paying taxes.

It's the same with cultural or racial pride. I have no connection to the great things that other white people have done, and you have no connection to the great things that other black people have done. If we have pride, it's just co-opting someone else's accomplishments.

It's a very weird artifice of human nature, I guess, that we claim these tribes. One can even observe that football fandom is the same thing. I was thrilled when the Chiefs finally won a playoff game because "we" won. Who the heck is "we"?

[ThaVirus]

I read some essay or article once that really stuck with me. The writer talked about things like national pride and cultural pride, and how they're completely nonsensical.



Why are we proud to be Americans? We had nothing to do with the founding of this country or the westward expansion or the era of inventions or winning World War II. We can consider ourselves lucky to be Americans, but why proud? We as individuals have nothing to be proud about, other than maybe paying taxes.



It's the same with cultural or racial pride. I have no connection to the great things that other white people have done, and you have no connection to the great things that other black people have done. If we have pride, it's just co-opting someone else's accomplishments.



It's a very weird artifice of human nature, I guess, that we claim these tribes. One can even observe that football fandom is the same thing. I was thrilled when the Chiefs finally won a playoff game because "we" won. Who the heck is "we"?


Agreed 100%. I had a discussion (an argument really) about this in DC when I said I wasn't "proud" to be an American. I'm proud of accomplishments- not some shit I had no control over. I'm proud of my physique, my degree, etc. I'm not proud that I was born with brown skin or on a certain side of some imaginary lines.

I think they call that tribalism, though. People love to be a part of something, even if they don't truly care about it or never had anything to do with it.

[ThaVirus]

Human psychology is a fascinating subject

[Rain Man]

Agreed 100%. I had a discussion (an argument really) about this in DC when I said I wasn't "proud" to be an American. I'm proud of accomplishments- not some shit I had no control over. I'm proud of my physique, my degree, etc. I'm not proud that I was born with brown skin or on a certain side of some imaginary lines.

I think they call that tribalism, though. People love to be a part of something, even if they don't truly care about it or never had anything to do with it.

I wonder if people who make really great accomplishments feel this less than the rest of us who just muck about in our lives. If you've established a famous personal legacy as a writer or president or inventor or something that makes you world-renowned on an individual basis, do you make these tribalistic claims of pride? I'm curious.

[BucEyedPea]

Aren't you a strawberry blond with blue eyes?

No. I have ivory skin and hazel eyes with brown hair that has some wave to it. I hot iron it out straight currently. I tan very well though and look healthier with one imo. Speaking of strawberry blondes, my brother's daughter was born with strawberry blonde hair that was curly but very nice and silky ringlets. Now age 8, her hair is red and very kinky like African hair. It's always braided though, but she could have an afro if she cut it short with layers.

Can you imagine a red-headed afro? :hmmm:

BTW I have a cousin who is full-blonded Sicilian who is a blonde and fair skinned. Others look black but with straight black hair and Caucasian features. Sicily was a melting pot and conquered by different nations.

[ping2000]

Soon all advertising will just feature stick people. Of course fat people would be offended.

[Fish]

Soon all advertising will just feature stick people. Of course fat people would be offended.

I'm offended.

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[Rain Man]

Soon all advertising will just feature stick people. Of course fat people would be offended.

Given the trend toward animated movies to save money on actors, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point commercials began using animated people. And in that case, you might as well make them gender-neutral and purple.

[DaneMcCloud]

Given the trend toward animated movies to save money on actors

This is completely untrue.

Animated films, especially those by Pixar, Disney, Blue Sky and Dreamworks cost in the hundreds of millions.

The budget for Finding Dory, Disney's latest 3D animated film, was $200 million.

Back to your regular scheduled programming. :D

[stumppy]

I read some essay or article once that really stuck with me. The writer talked about things like national pride and cultural pride, and how they're completely nonsensical.

Why are we proud to be Americans? We had nothing to do with the founding of this country or the westward expansion or the era of inventions or winning World War II. We can consider ourselves lucky to be Americans, but why proud? We as individuals have nothing to be proud about, other than maybe paying taxes.

It's the same with cultural or racial pride. I have no connection to the great things that other white people have done, and you have no connection to the great things that other black people have done. If we have pride, it's just co-opting someone else's accomplishments.

It's a very weird artifice of human nature, I guess, that we claim these tribes. One can even observe that football fandom is the same thing. I was thrilled when the Chiefs finally won a playoff game because "we" won. Who the heck is "we"?

That's something I don't do. It has never felt right to claim something for myself that I didn't have anything to do with. It kind of makes me feel like a poser or a cheat or, well, it's hard to describe other than it just doesn't feel right.

[BucEyedPea]

This is completely untrue.

Animated films, especially those by Pixar, Disney, Blue Sky and Dreamworks cost in the hundreds of millions.

The budget for Finding Dory, Disney's latest 3D animated film, was $200 million.

Back to your regular scheduled programming. :D

But, but Robots.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I swear to God I'm going to rent a projector and play nothing but "the best of Buckwheat and Stymie" on my fucking building walls all weekend.

[Otter]

I was attempting to empathize with your position. If you two had been paying attention you'd see that I also stereotyped black Americans earlier in this very thread in an attempt to understand why such an inordinately large percentage of them can't swim. I wasn't in the best of moods this morning when writing responses to this thread so that factors in a little to my curtness. And now that you mention it my girlfriend in college was a competition swimmer and I don't recall ever seeing a black competitor. Maybe we can get together and set up a time share; we'll give you guys swimming lessons if you teach us to dance without biting our bottom lip with our thumbs up in the air. :D

[Baby Lee]

Can you imagine a red-headed afro? :hmmm:

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/image/upload/c_fill,h_836,w_702/t_mp_quality/32-years-an-orphan-a-look-back-at-annie-1982-albert-finney-amp-aileen-quinn-jpeg-179678.jpg

PS - my sis HATES that look, because she started out as a fair/fine haired blonde and quickly developed into ludicrous curls. By grade school her hair looked just like that, but blonde. To this day she keeps her hair long [like, waist long] because only the weight of her hair keeps it from frizzing up into a ball.

[Beef Supreme]

I read some essay or article once that really stuck with me. The writer talked about things like national pride and cultural pride, and how they're completely nonsensical.

Why are we proud to be Americans? We had nothing to do with the founding of this country or the westward expansion or the era of inventions or winning World War II. We can consider ourselves lucky to be Americans, but why proud? We as individuals have nothing to be proud about, other than maybe paying taxes.

It's the same with cultural or racial pride. I have no connection to the great things that other white people have done, and you have no connection to the great things that other black people have done. If we have pride, it's just co-opting someone else's accomplishments.

It's a very weird artifice of human nature, I guess, that we claim these tribes. One can even observe that football fandom is the same thing. I was thrilled when the Chiefs finally won a playoff game because "we" won. Who the heck is "we"?

Pretty much the thrust of the argument, "I never owned any slaves and you never picked any cotton."

[Bwana]

Anyone that is offended by that needs to get a fucking life. :shake: Either that or drink at least one gallon of antifreeze so the rest of us don't have to listen to you whine.

[mr. tegu]

I read some essay or article once that really stuck with me. The writer talked about things like national pride and cultural pride, and how they're completely nonsensical.

Why are we proud to be Americans? We had nothing to do with the founding of this country or the westward expansion or the era of inventions or winning World War II. We can consider ourselves lucky to be Americans, but why proud? We as individuals have nothing to be proud about, other than maybe paying taxes.

It's the same with cultural or racial pride. I have no connection to the great things that other white people have done, and you have no connection to the great things that other black people have done. If we have pride, it's just co-opting someone else's accomplishments.

It's a very weird artifice of human nature, I guess, that we claim these tribes. One can even observe that football fandom is the same thing. I was thrilled when the Chiefs finally won a playoff game because "we" won. Who the heck is "we"?
In a small way, by supporting the team, don't we the fans actually become we the team? Our money, attention, and fandom reinforces positive results, which can increase efforts and money put towards achieving even more positive and long lasting results.

The Royals signed Gordon to the largest ever guaranteed contract in team history this past off season. If we don't fill the stadium all last season and in general show that we really wanted him, does that happen that the money is available and we sign him? Maybe not. And if Gordon then contributes to winning games can we not in some way say we as fans are responsible on some level for him being on our team and him being in the position to win games for our team? Giving us the reasoning to say "we" won?

[DaneMcCloud]

In a small way, by supporting the team, don't we the fans actually become we the team? Our money, attention, and fandom reinforces positive results, which can increase efforts and money put towards achieving even more positive and long lasting results.

The Royals signed Gordon to the largest ever guaranteed contract in team history this past off season. If we don't fill the stadium all last season and in general show that we really wanted him, does that happen that the money is available and we sign him? Maybe not. And if Gordon then contributes to winning games can we not in some way say we as fans are responsible on some level for him being on our team and him being in the position to win games for our team? Giving us the reasoning to say "we" won?

"We" is fucking stupid.

I recall Mecca always posting after a USC win saying "We" won today.

The guy didn't go to USC, didn't have family that went to USC and just liked their program.

The Chiefs win or lose. The Royals win or lose. "We" don't win or lose.

[stumppy]

"We" is fucking stupid.

I recall Mecca always posting after a USC win saying "We" won today.

The guy didn't go to USC, didn't have family that went to USC and just liked their program.

The Chiefs win or lose. The Royals win or lose. "We" don't win or lose.

Exactly ! I never have understood that shit.

[mr. tegu]

"We" is fucking stupid.

I recall Mecca always posting after a USC win saying "We" won today.

The guy didn't go to USC, didn't have family that went to USC and just liked their program.

The Chiefs win or lose. The Royals win or lose. "We" don't win or lose.
Do you disagree that fans who support the team through attendance at the stadium, contributing money on merchandise, and watching on TV can play a small part in what players are on the team?

[DaneMcCloud]

Do you disagree that fans who support the team through attendance at the stadium, contributing money on merchandise, and watching on TV can play a small part in what players are on the team?

Yes, I disagree. The athletes would perform to their levels without someone in the stadium or wearing their jersey or watching on TV.

Or do you think that Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre or Joe Montana wouldn't complete as many passes or score as many TD's in their career if someone wasn't wearing their jersey?

When you go to a concert to see a band and buy their tee shirt and merch, do you consider yourself as a part of the band?

[alnorth]

I'm sure someone has already beaten me to it, but I'm offended by the poster saying diving off the diving board is not cool. Good lord, its even in the name, "diving board", what are they expecting people to do, jump in feet first?

[Fish]

I'm sure someone has already beaten me to it, but I'm offended by the poster saying diving off the diving board is not cool. Good lord, its even in the name, "diving board", what are they expecting people to do, jump in feet first?

I thought the intent was to show that you shouldn't dive off the diving board when somebody is still in the water in front of the diving board.

:shrug:

[alnorth]

and what the hell is the other black kid in the water doing wrong? He's just swimming, all joking aside.

[mr. tegu]

Yes, I disagree. The athletes would perform to their levels without someone in the stadium or wearing their jersey or watching on TV.

Or do you think that Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre or Joe Montana wouldn't complete as many passes or score as many TD's in their career if someone wasn't wearing their jersey?

When you go to a concert to see a band and buy their tee shirt and merch, do you consider yourself as a part of the band?

I didn't say anything about their performance on the field once they get there. I am talking about how those players get there. Would Gordon be performing at all on the field for the Royals if we didn't set attendance records last season? The answer is almost certainly no.

[DaneMcCloud]

Would Gordon be performing at all on the field for the Royals if we didn't set attendance records last season? The answer is almost certainly no.

What???

[Rain Man]

and what the hell is the other black kid in the water doing wrong? He's just swimming, all joking aside.

I was curious about that, too. It's possible that he's drowning, which I guess is not cool, but that wouldn't really be his fault.

[mr. tegu]

What???
Attendance equals dollars and the influx of attendance money from last season as well as future estimates plays a big part in payroll.

This is also evident in that if we continue watching games on TV the team will get a more favorable TV deal, further increasing the funds available for players.

[DaneMcCloud]

Attendance equals dollars and the influx of attendance money from last season as well as future estimates plays a big part in payroll.

So you're stating that if attendance had been lower, the Royals wouldn't have paid Gordon and that somehow makes the fans part of the team?

:spock:

This is also evident in that if we continue watching games on TV the team will get a more favorable TV deal, further increasing the funds available for players.

So, you're stating that no one was watching the Royals in the past, so they just signed the dumbest contract in the history of sports just to get a few extra dollars?

:facepalm:

The Dodgers signed a $2 BILLION dollar, 10 year deal with Time Warner Cable unless you're a TWC subscriber, you can't watch the Dodgers in the Los Angeles market, negating more than 60% of their market.

According to your theory, the Dodgers would have a tiny TV contract, which is of course, is far from the case.

[mr. tegu]

So you're stating that if attendance had been lower, the Royals wouldn't have paid Gordon and that somehow makes the fans part of the team?

:spock:



So, you're stating that no one was watching the Royals in the past, so they just signed the dumbest contract in the history of sports just to get a few extra dollars?

:facepalm:

The Dodgers signed a $2 BILLION dollar, 10 year deal with Time Warner Cable unless you're a TWC subscriber, you can't watch the Dodgers in the Los Angeles market, negating more than 60% of their market.

According to your theory, the Dodgers would have a tiny TV contract, which is of course, is far from the case.

The Dodgers have led baseball in attendance every season since 2013 and are currently doing so again. Is it merely a coincidence that they have the highest payroll?

Fans contribute to the financials of a team. Financials play a role in the makeup of the team. You can't possibly argue against this. How comfortable and to what extent someone wants to say "we" did this or that is really just up to each but if they are putting in the dollars and time then they at least have a justification, however small, to say "we."

[Otter]

"We" is fucking stupid.

I recall Mecca always posting after a USC win saying "We" won today.

The guy didn't go to USC, didn't have family that went to USC and just liked their program.

The Chiefs win or lose. The Royals win or lose. "We" don't win or lose. I say "we" often when saying we won because I'm talking to a group of Chiefs fans. "We" the fans won because our team defeated the stinking Raiders. When I say "our" I'm not implying ownership. If someone can't read between the lines that I wasn't on the field or coaching the sideline then that's on them.</br></br> Kinda hard for me to give a shit about either way.

[DaneMcCloud]

Fans contribute to the financials of a team. Financials play a role in the makeup of the team. You can't possibly argue against this. How comfortable and to what extent someone wants to say "we" did this or that is really just up to each but if they are putting in the dollars and time then they at least have a justification, however small, to say "we."

Regardless, I still find it to be absurd

[DaneMcCloud]

Kinda hard for me to give a shit about either way.

I just find it ridiculous, especially when someone doesn't live in the region or the city or isn't associated in any way with the team or university, to say "We won" when the person had zero affiliation other than being a bandwagon fan.

Similar to the 49ers fans here that say "We won today". People that have been fans for a year of their life while spending the rest of their lives as fans of other teams.

Ridiculous.

[Otter]

I just find it ridiculous, especially when someone doesn't live in the region or the city or isn't associated in any way with the team or university, to say "We won" when the person had zero affiliation other than being a bandwagon fan.

Similar to the 49ers fans here that say "We won today". People that have been fans for a year of their life while spending the rest of their lives as fans of other teams.

Ridiculous. I understand the sentiment and when talking football outside of this message board I always refer to the team and not 'we'. It just seems to work when your on a message board where 99% of almost 15,000 members are fans of the same team.</br></br>It's silly when over analyzed but it's one I not only let slide but fall into as well.

[Rain Man]

It's weird. I try not to say "we" about the Chiefs, but I still find myself doing it with some frequency. It's not that I consider myself part of the team or community in any way. The more I think about it, I wonder if it's a natural tendency to pick sides in a contest or confrontation. If the Chiefs are playing the Broncos, I'm on the side that's backing the Chiefs, so I'm part of "we".

I also say that "we" won World War II, which is odd in a different way. That seems a little more acceptable, because I'm wearing the red, white, and blue citizenship jersey of one of the teams in that conflict. A citizen of the country in 1943 was definitely part of "we" because they were enduring rationing and worrying about loved ones and watching out for spies. But I wasn't born until decades after the war ended. Am I still a "we" because I'm on the American team?

[listopencil]

It's weird. I try not to say "we" about the Chiefs, but I still find myself doing it with some frequency. It's not that I consider myself part of the team or community in any way. The more I think about it, I wonder if it's a natural tendency to pick sides in a contest or confrontation. If the Chiefs are playing the Broncos, I'm on the side that's backing the Chiefs, so I'm part of "we".

I also say that "we" won World War II, which is odd in a different way. That seems a little more acceptable, because I'm wearing the red, white, and blue citizenship jersey of one of the teams in that conflict. A citizen of the country in 1943 was definitely part of "we" because they were enduring rationing and worrying about loved ones and watching out for spies. But I wasn't born until decades after the war ended. Am I still a "we" because I'm on the American team?

Yes. We are back-to-back World War champs.

[Rain Man]

Yes. We are back-to-back World War champs.

I kind of feel sorry for those fans of Germany.

[listopencil]

I kind of feel sorry for those fans of Germany.

Your choice to be a fan.

[raybec 4]

I kind of feel sorry for those fans of Germany.

France hasn't won a fight since 1843, those are the guys who won't say "We"

[DaneMcCloud]

France hasn't won a fight since 1843, those are the guys who won't say "We"

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