pitcher Jose Fernandez was killed in a boating accident?

[BigRedChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Horrific news to report this morning, multiple people inform me that Marlins&#39; pitcher Jose Fernandez was killed in a boating accident.</p>&mdash; Andy Slater (@AndySlater) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/780023610333290496">September 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article104071446.html

[BigRedChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marlins?src=hash">#Marlins</a> have canceled today’s game against the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Braves?src=hash">#Braves</a>.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/780032966525345792">September 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[CaliforniaChief]

Wow. This is just stunning news.

[noa]

Ugh, that's awful
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[Jerok]

That's terrible... even a rising superstar with millions can have their life abruptly ended, and only 24 years old. Such a sad accident.

[Why Not?]

This is really sad. He seemed like a good genuine dude.

[C3HIEF3S]

First thing I read this morning and I think I am about to throw up. It hurts remembering the video of Jeff Loria reuniting Jose with his grandmother in Miami after being separated for years. Defected from Cuba, return from TJ all for naught. Oh, he was going to be a father too.

This one stings. RIP Jose. I will never forget 2013 when the Royals played the Marlins in KC and he single-handedly put that lowly team on his back and led them to a 1-0 win. It was one of the more frustrating games to watch as a fan, but as a viewer of the game it was one of the first times I learned to respect the flat out talent of a young stud like him.

[Munson]

Sad news indeed.

Looks like the boat was going too fast and hit the rocks.


http://i.imgur.com/n4QhBi4.jpg

[cabletech94]

awful. i thought it was a terrible internet hoax. multiple reports from multiple sources. terrible, terrible tragedy.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Damn, he had a kid on the way too. Brutal.

[jspchief]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160925/018ce67e22d17c68add106317dafb97c.gif

[RollChiefsRoll]

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[DaNewGuy]

Awful. Heard something that his girlfriend or something said she was pregnant a few days ago. RIP Jose

[TLO]

Wow.. Just awful. :(

[scho63]

He was a great talent and I remember how he kept kicking the Pirate's ass each time he pitched against us.

Life is sooooooo short in the totality of it all. That's why I live it to the fullest.....Tomorrow may never arrive.

R.I.P.

[ClevelandBronco]

Immediately brought Steve Olin and Tim Crews back to mind.

[Molitoth]

ban boats!

[Prison Bitch]

Gotta be careful with boats. Too many young people don't fear the water. Rip

[ChiTown]

Jesus. Just awful. This kid was stupid, crazy good. RIP

[siberian khatru]

Immediately brought Steve Olin and Tim Crews back to mind.

First thing I thought of too. High speed in the dark is not safe.

At least police say in this case there's no evidence of alcohol. But we'll see.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Gotta be careful with boats. Too many young people don't fear the water. Rip

summer time is the worst at the hospital. ATV, boating, motorcycle accidents. People being reckless for the adrenaline or because they were intoxicated.

You get one brain and spinal cord, protect it.

[chiefqueen]

Just read ESPN article, just last week his girlfriend announced she is pregnant with his child.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Very sad.

[dj56dt58]

Just read ESPN article, just last week his girlfriend announced she is pregnant with his child.

it seems a lot of tragedies happen after a baby is announced..maybe trying to live life to the fullest before the kid comes?

[eDave]

Warming! Do not watch if you do not want to cry.

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[Demonpenz]

If I was a million dollar athlete I would make sure I stayed away from Dangerous activities. Too many lives lost when it could be avoided. Just stupid stuff.

[Prison Bitch]

If I was a million dollar athlete or not I would make sure I stayed away from Dangerous activities. Too many lives lost when it could be avoided. Just stupid stuff.

Fixed

[Demonpenz]

No shit. Life isn't hard just take care of your body and mind. Invest wisely. Instead of boating or other dumb shit I would be watching sports and watching my investments make bank

[jjchieffan]

A true shame that it couldn't have been Von Douchebag instead.

[eDave]

A true shame that it couldn't have been Von Douchebag instead.

Very godly of you.

[LoneWolf]

No shit. Life isn't hard just take care of your body and mind. Invest wisely. Instead of boating or other dumb shit I would be watching sports and watching my investments make bank

Do you currently own a car?

[cookster50]

Warming! Do not watch if you do not want to cry.

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Thanks for the warming.

[dls6501]

What just happened at the Marlins game could not have been scripted any better. Simply amazing. I am a grown man and I am in tears after what I just witnessed.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I've been saddened about all of this, but watching that lead off HR and the reaction to it was moving to say the very very least.

[Buehler445]

They played the audio of the solo trumpet playing take me out to the ballgame.

Got goddamned dusty in this Combine. Radio said DeeGordin jacked his first HR of the season wearing his helmet.

First thing I thought of too. High speed in the dark is not safe.

At least police say in this case there's no evidence of alcohol. But we'll see.

Said on the radio that he loved fishing. Ran the boat on a rock and flipped it. Didn't sound high speed.

[SAUTO]

They played the audio of the solo trumpet playing take me out to the ballgame.

Got goddamned dusty in this Combine. Radio said DeeGordin jacked his first HR of the season wearing his helmet.



Said on the radio that he loved fishing. Ran the boat on a rock and flipped it. Didn't sound high speed.

They said it was wide open. 55-60 MPH

[WhawhaWhat]

They said it was wide open. 55-60 MPH

Going that speed would have launched them like a rocket either into the side of the boat or onto the rocks.

http://l.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/LGCm.wr.pfIl9ETgM94nLA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NzQ0O2g9NDk4/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/5610171635049938d185313f8f1461e0

[SAUTO]

Going that speed would have launched them like a rocket either into the side of the boat or onto the rocks.

http://l.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/LGCm.wr.pfIl9ETgM94nLA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NzQ0O2g9NDk4/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/5610171635049938d185313f8f1461e0
He didn't drown.

[SAUTO]

I bet the boat did a front flip, well not quite.

[chiefzilla1501]

That was a powerful tribute. I can't even begin to imagine having to play through that.

Quick question, and I don't want to sound like a dick because it doesn't matter either way. But does anyone think that pitch to Dee Gordon was grooved? Even if it was, it's still one hell of a moment.

[New World Order]

Rooting hard for the Marlins now. I hope they get in.

[WhawhaWhat]

He didn't drown.

I see people at the Lake of the Ozarks going full throttle in the middle of the night all the time. Such a dumb thing to do.

[Jewish Rabbi]

Rooting hard for the Marlins now. I hope they get in.

They're all but eliminated.

[LOCOChief]

I think the wreck happened in a pass called "governors cut". Very dangerous pass even for experienced boaters and that boat was wide open. Very sad

[Buehler445]

They said it was wide open. 55-60 MPH

Hadn't heard that.

[DanT]

That was a powerful tribute. I can't even begin to imagine having to play through that.

Quick question, and I don't want to sound like a dick because it doesn't matter either way. But does anyone think that pitch to Dee Gordon was grooved? Even if it was, it's still one hell of a moment.

Yeah, I think there are many who think that pitch was grooved. Over on reddit.com/r/baseball, that view is being discussed, https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/54nmo2/dee_gordon_hits_it_out_in_miamis_first_plate/d83ennm

Either way, still a remarkable and moving tribute.

[eDave]

They played the audio of the solo trumpet playing take me out to the ballgame.

Got goddamned dusty in this Combine. Radio said DeeGordin jacked his first HR of the season wearing his helmet.



Said on the radio that he loved fishing. Ran the boat on a rock and flipped it. Didn't sound high speed.

I just saw the tribute, the solo and the HR. Very heavy indeed. Beautiful though.

[Rain Man]

RIP, and welcome back.

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[chiefzilla1501]

Yeah, I think there are many who think that pitch was grooved. Over on reddit.com/r/baseball, that view is being discussed, https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/54nmo2/dee_gordon_hits_it_out_in_miamis_first_plate/d83ennm

Either way, still a remarkable and moving tribute.

Yes, if true and I think it is, it's pretty awesome sportsmanship by Bartolo colon too. He threw an 85 mph Meatball over the plate. Pretty cool stuff

[Why Not?]

I don't think it was. Bartolo Colon doesn't throw very hard to begin with. If you look at pitch charts on most home runs, you'll see a lot of them occur on pitches over the middle. Especially when a pitcher is behind in the count. Why do you think pitchers always talk about working both sides of the plate?

Plus, this is Dee Gordon. The dude doesn't hit homers. Was Colon thinking "let me groove one so this guy can honor Jose with an infield single"?

Also, Mets in the thick of a playoff race and do you honor a competitor's memory by not competing? Colon clearly didn't have it last night, as he got rocked all game. Sometimes unbelievable moments are just what they are.

[Prison Bitch]

alcohol involved, per report just released. No shocker

[vailpass]

alcohol involved, per report just released. No shocker

Don't need you to tell us that; we have the OP author to tell us what's up.

BigRedTalentedMrRipley himself.

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And so, so, SO much more.

[threebag]

Don't need you to tell us that; we have the OP author to tell us what's up.

BigRedTalentedMrRipley himself.

CSI
Double Naught Spy
Political Insider
NFL Insider
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Israeli Ambassador/Terrorism Expert
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CYBER Warfare Combatant (Offense & Defense)
Faith Healer
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Patient Zero

And so, so, SO much more.

Huckleberry?

[SAUTO]

More like chuckleberry...

[eDave]

Don't need you to tell us that; we have the OP author to tell us what's up.

BigRedTalentedMrRipley himself.

CSI
Double Naught Spy
Political Insider
NFL Insider
Pulmonologist/Sleep Apnea Consultant
Israeli Ambassador/Terrorism Expert
Horse Whisperer
CYBER Warfare Combatant (Offense & Defense)
Faith Healer
Egyptian Wayfarer/Pyramid Explorer
Patient Zero

And so, so, SO much more.

You left out Right.

[Deberg_1990]

Ouch.....still a tragedy??

Jose Fernandez had cocaine, alcohol in system during fatal boat crash


Mianmi Marlins star pitcher Jose Fernandez had cocaine in his system when he and two friends were killed in a boat crash last month off Miami Beach, the Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner's office said Saturday.

Associate Medical Examiner Kenneth Hutchins listed "boat crash" as the cause of death but also said Fernandez was legally drunk with a blood alcohol concentration of .147.
Fernandez, 24, suffered blunt-force injuries to the head and torso, along with skull and jaw fractures when the boat he was in hit a jetty near Miami Beach in the early morning hours of September 25.


Authorities have not determined who was piloting the boat.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/us/miami-jose-fernandez-toxicology/index.html

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Ouch.....still a tragedy??

Jose Fernandez had cocaine, alcohol in system during fatal boat crash
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Do you think that his family deserved to lose him and his child deserved to grow up without a father because of this?

[Deberg_1990]

Do you think that his family deserved to lose him and his child deserved to grow up without a father because of this?

No of course not. But if dude had a family, he shouldnt have behaved so recklessly.

This wasnt an accident. More like stupidity.

[SAUTO]

He probably wasn't near as drunk as that sounds.

[Demonpenz]

It's one thing when God takes you home Quite another when it is your doing that brings you home

[Swanman]

Do you think that his family deserved to lose him and his child deserved to grow up without a father because of this?
Oscar Tavares part deux
No of course not. But if dude had a family, he shouldnt have behaved so recklessly.

This wasnt an accident. More like stupidity.


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[BigRedChief]

What a way to go out, snorting coke, drinking, driving way too fast and dangerously. What a waste. Tragedy for his family.

[SAUTO]

What a way to go out, snorting coke, drinking, driving way too fast and dangerously. What a waste. Tragedy for his family.

I can think of much worse ways to go.

[DaneMcCloud]

I can think of much worse ways to go.

Cancer, AIDS, Ebola, flesh eating bacteria, eaten by a shark

[scho63]

Dying by fire, drowning, having your head cut off by ISIS

[Perineum Ripper]

Cancer, AIDS, Ebola, flesh eating bacteria, eaten by a shark

Being a Chiefs fan your whole life

[SAUTO]

You guys almost have me convinced that there aren't very many better ways to go...

[Marcellus]

Sounds like he was trying to one up Oscar.

Damn.

[Prison Bitch]

Do you think that his family deserved to lose him and his child deserved to grow up without a father because of this?

Yes. Doing Coke and being drunk while driving a speedboat recklessly in the middle of the night is a deserved fate.


Is it sad? Obviously. But it's not a tragedy and the Marlins are in a tough spot now honoring a guy killed while on Coke. That's a terrible message to send to kids.

[ThaVirus]

He probably wasn't near as drunk as that sounds.


.14 isn't all that drunk, really. Especially not with white in your system.

[Discuss Thrower]

Yes. Doing Coke and being drunk while driving a speedboat recklessly in the middle of the night is a deserved fate.


Is it sad? Obviously. But it's not a tragedy and the Marlins are in a tough spot now honoring a guy killed while on Coke. That's a terrible message to send to kids.

You deserve to be run over by a drunk and coked out driver you worthless sack of dogshit.

[Chiefspants]

Yes. Doing Coke and being drunk while driving a speedboat recklessly in the middle of the night is a deserved fate.


Is it sad? Obviously. But it's not a tragedy and the Marlins are in a tough spot now honoring a guy killed while on Coke. That's a terrible message to send to kids.

It is a tragedy, and can easily serve as a lesson to children that even the biggest stars can be victims of drug use.

[SAUTO]

.14 isn't all that drunk, really. Especially not with white in your system.
Hey, you made the same point as I did!:D

[DaneMcCloud]

Having a few drinks and a line of cocaine isn't what killed Fernandez and his friends.

They died because whomever was driving was very inexperienced piloting a boat, wasn't familiar with the terrain, while dealing with a pitch black night. It would have happened regardless of whether or not the pilot was drinking or partying.

Also, center console fishing boats don't usually get to a high rate of speed, which points to inexperience. It's not like they were in a Wellcraft Scarab.

[Prison Bitch]

It is a tragedy, and can easily serve as a lesson to children that even the biggest stars can be victims of drug use.

No, I cannot accept he was a "victim" of drugs. That's a cop out. A victim of drugs is someone who gets hooked on painkillers. It isn't someone snorting coke and partying on a boat.

[threebag]

.14 isn't all that drunk, really. Especially not with white in your system.

White is right in combination

[Chiefspants]

No, I cannot accept he was a "victim" of drugs. That's a cop out. A victim of drugs is someone who gets hooked on painkillers. It isn't someone snorting coke and partying on a boat.

Fine. Semantics. He killed himself due to drugs, but this lesson could show children that it could happen to anyone, right?

The people he loved were certainly victims here.

[Tombstone RJ]

Having a few drinks and a line of cocaine isn't what killed Fernandez and his friends.

They died because whomever was driving was very inexperienced piloting a boat, wasn't familiar with the terrain, while dealing with a pitch black night. It would have happened regardless of whether or not the pilot was drinking or partying.

Also, center console fishing boats don't usually get to a high rate of speed, which points to inexperience. It's not like they were in a Wellcraft Scarab.

What? Of course drugs and alcohol are part of the equation. Mix in testosterone and you got 3 guys going way too fast in a speed boat with zero visability in a dangerous environment. I guarantee you had Cocain and alcohol not been involved the likelihood that these three would still be alive exponentially increases.

[Prison Bitch]

Fine. Semantics. He killed himself due to drugs, but this lesson could show children that it could happen to anyone, right?

No. That's not the correct lesson. That could never happen to me, or millions of others who've never touched drugs let alone hardcore ones like Coke mixed with alcohol. It isn't random - it's a choice.


The people he loved were certainly victims here.

Correct. He victimized his loved ones.

[lewdog]

No. That's not the correct lesson. That could never happen to me, or millions of others who've never touched drugs .

What about Maker's Mark? Could 6 of them get you to do ungodly things?

[DaneMcCloud]

What? Of course drugs and alcohol are part of the equation. Mix in testosterone and you got 3 guys going way too fast in a speed boat with zero visability in a dangerous environment. I guarantee you had Cocain and alcohol not been involved the likelihood that these three would still be alive exponentially increases.

I don't buy it

[Chiefspants]

No. That's not the correct lesson. That could never happen to me, or millions of others who've never touched drugs let alone hardcore ones like Coke mixed with alcohol. It isn't random - it's a choice.



I wondered if you were going to take this position. I taught at a school where one of my students got beaten up by four people in a rival gang after he tried to stop selling dime bags. He choose to say no, and he got beaten within an inch of his life. He's now hustlin' again, and indicated to the staff that he feels like he doesn't have a choice.

It's easy to say "no" when you've never had to choose between being a poverty and relying on vice for a livelihood. While a boy at my school tried to get out of my life, many don't, in my district (KCK) there were 5th graders who had parole officers because they learned to hustle in their communities. It's because of this that many don't see the risks of engaging in that lifestyle, because it's all they've ever known. Jose Fernandez could be the wake up call because he demonstrates that the risk is there for even those at the top of the societal ladder. He also illustrates the collateral damage that he's left behind for the victims in his family. This removes any glamour associated with this "life", and told in the right way, could inspire a village to make real changes in their communities. Maybe it wouldn't work, but we know the alternative of the "Just Say No" narrative has been nothing but a colossal failure in our society.

If you want to preach the merits of that failed campaign, I won't stop you. With respect, we're not likely going to find a common ground on this subject, PB, so I'm going to bow out now. I'll catch you in a Royals thread sometime soon.

[SAUTO]

What school in kck?

[Tombstone RJ]

I don't buy it

I guess you've never been young, dumb and full of cum then because I know I was, and mix in drugs and alcohol and well, I'm lucky I'm alive.

Here's the deal with the unfortunate accident: why speed around in a boat with zero visability, no lights, and near concrete structures? If none of those young men knew what they were doing, why risk death? The only sane answer is because their reasoning/judgement is impaired.

Does anyone think Hernandez wanted to die? Neither do I. Also, this is not the first case of young professional male athletes killing themselves in a boating accident where drugs and alcohol are involved.

[Prison Bitch]

What about Maker's Mark? Could 6 of them get you to do ungodly things?

Make me puke on my couch

[DaneMcCloud]

I guess you've never been young, dumb and full of cum then because I know I was when I was younger and mix in drugs and alcohol and well, I'm lucky I'm alive.

Here's the deal with the unfortunate accident: why speed around in a boat with zero visability, no lights, and near concrete structures. If none of those young men knew what they were doing, why risk death? The only sain answer is because their reasoning/judgement is impaired.

Does anyone think Hernandez wanted to die? Neither do I. Also, this is not the first case of young professional male athletes killing themselves in a boating accident where drugs and alcohol are involved.

No, I didn't do drugs when younger and I don't think that's why they died.

They died because of their lack of maritime experience. You can find drunk people on lakes all over America on any given summer day. Same goes for Tampa Bay, the LA South Bay, the eastern side of Florida and any number of bodies of water.

It's pretty hard to kill yourself in center console boat, unless you're inexperienced and horsing around at night in an unfamiliar location. Even then, it's pretty hard to kill yourself.

The investigation couldn't determine who was piloting the boat. One guy had no cocaine in his system and the other two had less BAC than Fernandez. That said, an experienced boater, even when "drunk", wouldn't have crashed that boat into the rocks.

[Chiefspants]

What school in kck?

J.C. Harmon

[Tombstone RJ]

No, I didn't do drugs when younger and I don't think that's why they died.

They died because of their lack of maritime experience. You can find drunk people on lakes all over America on any given summer day. Same goes for Tampa Bay, the LA South Bay, the eastern side of Florida and any number of bodies of water.

It's pretty hard to kill yourself in center console boat, unless you're inexperienced and horsing around at night in an unfamiliar location. Even then, it's pretty hard to kill yourself.

The investigation couldn't determine who was piloting the boat. One guy had no cocaine in his system and the other two had less BAC than Fernandez. That said, an experienced boater, even when "drunk", wouldn't have crashed that boat into the rocks.

Fair enough. The boat was a 32' SeaVee with a top speed of 70 mph or so, there is a strong possibility Fernandez was driving, it was his boat. He was drunk and hopped up on coke. Maybe if he was not drunk and on drugs these guys don't even try and go out on the water? It's all speculation now.

[SAUTO]

J.C. Harmon

I know of the place.

[SAUTO]

Fair enough. The boat was a 32' SeaVee with a top speed of 70 mph or so, there is a strong possibility Fernandez was driving, it was his boat. He was drunk and hopped up on coke. Maybe if he was not drunk and on drugs these guys don't even try and go out on the water? It's all speculation now.

I thought it was someone else's boat.

[Tombstone RJ]

I thought it was someone else's boat.

The article I read said it was Fernandez' boat.

[SAUTO]

The article I read said it was Fernandez' boat.

You're right. They said initially it wasn't his but later said it was.

[DaneMcCloud]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article104261146.html

It's pretty clear that whoever was driving was very inexperienced. I mean, just look at those rocks.

I guess the other possibility, based on the article, is that Fernandez *knew* exactly what he was doing, although that's a massive leap.

[Demonpenz]

Makes more sense why his number is chalk white on Chapmans hat

[Pablo]

A couple bumps and a buzz, no biggie. He'd be great at night fishin' on the Nodaway.

[Miles]

Granted this could be self serving but seems to fit:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article111325997.html

"The evidence: A witness who was on the phone with Fernandez “at the point of impact,” the lawyer said. The witness told police and Fernandez’s lawyer that the pitcher “was telling the person driving to go left, go left, bear away from the shore, and moments later, communications ceased,” the attorney said."

[POND_OF_RED]

No. That's not the correct lesson. That could never happen to me, or millions of others who've never touched drugs let alone hardcore ones like Coke mixed with alcohol. It isn't random - it's a choice.


People do drugs to escape the reality that people like you exist in this world. Just smoke a joint man. Maybe you won't feel the need to boast about your double digit IQ every time a "controversial" topic is discussed here.

[Buehler445]

Yes. Doing Coke and being drunk while driving a speedboat recklessly in the middle of the night is a deserved fate.


Is it sad? Obviously. But it's not a tragedy and the Marlins are in a tough spot now honoring a guy killed while on Coke. That's a terrible message to send to kids.

You missed the point. They honored him for the teammate he was and what he did for the Cuban American community.

They didn't honor him because he was killed in an accident.

[BigRedChief]

I guarantee you had Cocain and alcohol not been involved the likelihood that these three would still be alive exponentially increases.Without a doubt.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

People do drugs to escape the reality that people like you exist in this world. Just smoke a joint man. Maybe you won't feel the need to boast about your double digit IQ every time a "controversial" topic is discussed here.

LMAO

[Prison Bitch]

You missed the point. They honored him for the teammate he was and what he did for the Cuban American community.

They didn't honor him because he was killed in an accident.

But they retired his jersey. They have to rescind that now, based on his Coke actions. Or they can just pretend it never happened and ignore the terrible message it sends kids.

I don't live there and my kids are too young for sports. But if a Royals player died doing Coke, I'd make damn sure my kids saw his life as a warning - not an example

[vailpass]

People do drugs to escape the reality that people like you exist in this world. Just smoke a joint man. Maybe you won't feel the need to boast about your double digit IQ every time a "controversial" topic is discussed here.

Yeah man like just lay back and stop like harshing my mellow man./stupid stoner things

[mdstu]

But they retired his jersey. They have to rescind that now, based on his Coke actions. Or they can just pretend it never happened and ignore the terrible message it sends kids.

I don't live there and my kids are too young for sports. But if a Royals player died doing Coke, I'd make damn sure my kids saw his life as a warning - not an example

I'm pretty sure that is your job as a parent.

I highly doubt that un-retiring his jersey is going to keep anyone from drinking or doing blow.