Are the Chiefs bad?

[carcosa]

I honestly can't tell. Please advise.

[New World Order]

Alex just needs more weapons.

[In58men]

1 offensive TD last week. I would say yes.

[MeatRock]

Tonight, yes they are bad.

[In58men]

Alex just needs more weapons.

ROFL

[Discuss Thrower]

Defense is average and the offense is 2012 bad.

Yeah. They're bad.

[ChiefsCountry]

9-7 team.

[Reerun_KC]

If you didn't expect this from a rehashed known HC who was fired for the exact reasons we're complaining about. Then you get what you deserve for buying into it...

[milkman]

They are a mediocre team.

[DaFace]

I went with yes, with the caveat that they were bad at this point last year too. There's still plenty of time to turn things around.

[Discuss Thrower]

9-7 team.

Losses to Oakland, twice to Denver, Jacksonville, San Diego?

[Ming the Merciless]

You should have had an idea don't know option...


I don't know either.

I.don't THINK they're bad. I think they're somewhere in between .....where they were tonight and a really good team.

[milkman]

I went with yes, with the caveat that they were bad at this point last year too. There's still plenty of time to turn things around.

They are just good enough for early bounces from the post season.

[TimBone]

That Kelce TD is kind of swaying my opinion.

[kcxiv]

right now? yep! They havent been prepared in 3 of the 4 games. If it wasnt for The Chargers completely choking the game away. The Chiefs should be 1-3. The defense is not good right now. Alex Smith is and above average quarterback with pretty much 0 big play ability. He doesnt make players around him better, they make him look better. There is way to much talent on the offense for them to be this bad at it. It starts with 1 person. The QB.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Not as bad as your MOM !

[carcosa]

You should have had an idea don't know option...


I don't know either.

I.don't THINK they're bad. I think they're somewhere in between .....where they were tonight and a really good team.

You seem nice

[milkman]

right now? yep! They havent been prepared in 3 of the 4 games. If it wasnt for The Chargers completely choking the game away. The Chiefs should be 1-3. The defense is not good right now. Alex Smith is and above average quarterback with pretty much 0 big play ability. He doesnt make players around him better, they make him look better. There is way to much talent on the offense for them to be this bad at it. It starts with 1 person. The QB.

It starts with Sideways Andy.

[Reerun_KC]

right now? yep! They havent been prepared in 3 of the 4 games. If it wasnt for The Chargers completely choking the game away. The Chiefs should be 1-3. The defense is not good right now. Alex Smith is and above average quarterback with pretty much 0 big play ability. He doesnt make players around him better, they make him look better. There is way to much talent on the offense for them to be this bad at it. It starts with 1 person. The QB.
Actually. The OC.

[RobBlake]

I don't think they're bad. I think they are a middle of the road, Wild Card sleeper. In every game, the team appears not to be out match so much so talent wise.. but game plan is terrible. Andy doesn't game plan to get Alex into a rhythm and the first drive is perfect example. First couple plays were great attacking vertical passes.. and then they call a dumbass roll out and it went to shit. I blame the ineptness not on the players, but the coaching staff.. clear.. they get out coached.

[cdcox]

They are a mediocre team.

Yep, not bad, only mediocre.

[kcxiv]

It starts with Sideways Andy. Thats where the prepared comes in. the coach, but we still need a fucking QB. It starts with them. if you dont have that legit qb, then you just arent going to win unless you have an all world defense and even then, its still sketchy.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

What is the combined record of the 2 teams we beat?

There's your answer...


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[MeatRock]

Not as bad as your MOM !

But how is his mom on boar semen. That's the real question.

[Psyko Tek]

I hope they have a chance to pull off last years run after the bye, but why the fuck can't they be ready to play a game at game time, anybody gets ahead and we are fucked
take andy's head set away from him and make sutton, retire

[Bob Dole]

Just embarrassing.

[Bob Dole]

Just embarrassing.

[Discuss Thrower]

They'll lose to Oakland in two weeks and then float around the .500 mark.

If they make the playoffs they'll get bounced by the worst team out of New England, Denver or Pittsburgh.

[Bugeater]

Chiefs are bad, mmmkay?

[milkman]

Thats where the prepared comes in. the coach, but we still need a ****ing QB. It starts with them. if you dont have that legit qb, then you just arent going to win unless you have an all world defense and even then, its still sketchy.

Game starts with two play calls that sent the ball vertically down the field.

Sideways decided that was a good time to go sideways, and the next thing you know, the Chiefs find themselves in 3rd and long.

Sideways (Andy) completely took the offense out of sinc.

[kcxiv]

Just embarrassing.

this is something as Chiefs fans we are used of. It happens alot. Just when you think as a fan it couldnt possibly happen again, it does, and then again and then again. lol

[jspchief]

They are mediocre. They can usually beat bad teams, and sometimes beat good teams. They can also lose to bad teams on any given day. They are pretty much the literal definition of mediocre.

[Lonewolf Ed]

I was upset for only about 7 or 8 minutes of the first quarter, then I knew a drubbing was on and watched the game with little emotion other than a few groans.

[Reerun_KC]

Game starts with two play calls that sent the ball vertically down the field.

Sideways decided that was a good time to go sideways, and the next thing you know, the Chiefs find themselves in 3rd and long.

Sideways (Andy) completely took the offense out of sinc.
100% this. Just look at the goal to go plays. Says all you need to know. It's all big buffets cute plays killing this team.

[kcxiv]

Game starts with two play calls that sent the ball vertically down the field.

Sideways decided that was a good time to go sideways, and the next thing you know, the Chiefs find themselves in 3rd and long.

Sideways (Andy) completely took the offense out of sinc.they havent been in sync but for like 2 quarters against S.D. Outside of that, its been pretty bad. lol Regardless of Andy's calls, Smith shits the bed, he's the only qb who "supposedly" good that doesnt move around in the pocket and make plays. Soon as he feels pressure he just panics.

[Hammock Parties]

They've always been reasonably bad under Andy Reid and Alex Smith.

Beating shitty teams and bad quarterbacks is great deodorant.

Once inawhile the sunshine glows on this dog's ass (NE, SEA) and fools you into buying season tickets.

I haven't attended a game since 2013.

Don't get fooled again.

[stumppy]

The Chiefs are Reidiocre at best.

[ChiTown]

The Chiefs are Reidiocre at best.

I like!

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

I just want to see a game where our defense is actually healthy.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

They've always been reasonably bad under Andy Reid and Alex Smith.

Beating shitty teams and bad quarterbacks is great deodorant.

Once inawhile the sunshine glows on this dog's ass (NE, SEA) and fools you into buying season tickets.

I haven't attended a game since 2013.

Don't get fooled again.

Then why are you even here?

[Bwana]

It would seem so.

[kcpasco]

Mediocre

[ping2000]

When it takes a 15 play drive to score and you settle for field goals most of the time, you aren't going to win. If we get behind we can't catch up. We have to be perfect and hope the other team blows it. Chiefs think it is 1953. This is a loser gameplan. Fuck Fat Andy. The game has passed him by.

[Simply Red]

Losses to Oakland, twice to Denver, Jacksonville, San Diego?

don't forget Atlanta

[New World Order]

I just want to see a game where our defense is actually healthy.


We've watched games when our offense is healthy.

[kcpasco]

I just want to see a game where our defense is actually healthy.

After tonight I think Sutton sucks ass with the scheme he ran out there

[notorious]

If you didn't expect this from a rehashed known HC who was fired for the exact reasons we're complaining about. Then you get what you deserve for buying into it...

.

[Mr. Kotter]

No...but, they were tonight though.

[ping2000]

Philly's offense looks pretty good. Reid sucks ass.

[jspchief]

Reid and Smith are the low hanging fruit in the blame game, but Sutton needs to be in the discussion too. His defenses feast on bad opponents but almost never stop good offenses. Too much talent on the defense too get abused as routinely as they do. His schemes suck and he rarely makes adequate in-game adjustments. The defense also plays soft, even when they play statistically good games.

[Beef Supreme]

Then why are you even here?

Oh fuck off with this shit. People can be fans of a bad team and know they are bad. The fucking Browns have a fan base. Yeah the Chiefs are fucking awesome with their sideways offense and porous defense. Andy Reid's play calling is rainbows and unicorns.

People come to this board to bitch about a bad team that they root for anyway. Maybe one day it will pay off. But not with Reid and Smith at the helm.

[notorious]

Philly's offense looks pretty good. Reid sucks ass.

:hmmm:


I wonder what these two things have/had in common?

[kcpasco]

DJ White in single coverage. Enough said.

[Hammock Parties]

Then why are you even here?

You'll never understand, because you're not really a Chiefs fan.

[ping2000]

:hmmm:


I wonder what these two things have/had in common?
Doug moved the screen plays to the bottom of the play sheet. Reid beats off to his screen plays.

[Reerun_KC]

Reid and Smith are the low hanging fruit in the blame game, but Sutton needs to be in the discussion too. His defenses feast on bad opponents but almost never stop good offenses. Too much talent on the defense too get abused as routinely as they do. His schemes suck and he rarely makes adequate in-game adjustments. The defense also plays soft, even when they play statistically good games.

I got MU'd for calling out Sutton several times.

Now people are coming around to what many have been saying for years...

[Reerun_KC]

Doug moved the screen plays to the bottom of the play sheet. Reid beats off to his screen plays.

Dougs presence is sorely missed...

[notorious]

Doug moved the screen plays to the bottom of the play sheet. Reid beats off to his screen plays.

I thought that it was bbq sauce that stuck the play sheet pages together.........:eek:

[ping2000]

The first, second, third and fourth questions at the news conference should be "Why in the fuck do you call 52 screens per game fatty?"

[Discuss Thrower]

Winning that Houston game in January had ultimately done more harm than good.

The team is flawed top to bottom and the playoff "win" allowed the FO to escape the off-season without any serious criticism.

They're going nowhere with Reid as coach and Smith at QB.

It's the Green era all over again. Which was just a rehash of the Grbac era. And that was a rehash of the Bono era. And the Montana era before that.

They. Are. Going. Nowhere.

[Rain Man]

It's a business. It's in the league's best interest to take a loss on the Chiefs department because they can make better money off of other departments.

[kcpasco]

I got MU'd for calling out Sutton several times.

Now people are coming around to what many have been saying for years...

Everyone knows that Andy and Alex are the definition of mediocre. But that defensive scheme scheme Sutton ran out there was puke worthy.

[ping2000]

Everyone knows that Andy and Alex are the definition of mediocre. But that defensive scheme scheme Sutton ran out there was puke worthy.
He needs to move on to the Shady Acres Senior Villas.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

You'll never understand, because you're not really a Chiefs fan.

Aren't you the guy with an account over at The Mane, the one who was rooting AGAINST the Chiefs last season after being banned??

:)

[Reerun_KC]

.

I don't understand people that"think" Reid will change once he puts on the red and gold.

He hasn't changed, he won't change.

We need leadership that has balls or that has at least seen them in the last 2 decades ...

[NWTF]

They are a mediocre team.

^This^

And probably still a playoff team despite tonight. When the dust settles they will be a road wild card team. Thats what they are. They are one of a few teams that still play offense the hard way. Its kind of a bad combination really, Reid and Smith, both conservative in their own ways and at their worst the offense is really painful to watch. Hell tonight sucked, but so did the last 7 min of the Pats playoff game. Its all the same.

[Demonpenz]

Just bad enough to get a shit draft pick and just good enough to keep Andy Reid around

[ping2000]

Just bad enough to get a shit draft pick and just good enough to keep Andy Reid around
Fuck, even when we pick 1:1 it's the worst draft class in 50 years.

[notorious]

I don't understand people that"think" Reid will change once he puts on the red and gold.

He hasn't changed, he won't change.

We need leadership that has balls or that has at least seen them in the last 2 decades ...

Time to start figuring out how many years it will take to flush.....again.


The conference rival (which is only a one-way rivalry) continues to roll out championship-caliber teams year after year with different coaches, QB's, etc.

The Chiefs roll out disappointment.

[New World Order]

Winning that Houston game in January had ultimately done more harm than good.

The team is flawed top to bottom and the playoff "win" allowed the FO to escape the off-season without any serious criticism.

They're going nowhere with Reid as coach and Smith at QB.

It's the Green era all over again. Which was just a rehash of the Grbac era. And that was a rehash of the Bono era. And the Montana era before that.

They. Are. Going. Nowhere.


At least with the Green era we had exciting games. This is just pure, boring aids

[ping2000]

Modern NFL offense
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161003/0629afedaeec3bc58604e7e007dd551e.jpg

Chiefs offense
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[jspchief]

Then why are you even here?
Spoken like someone who's a fan of players instead of a team.

[Reerun_KC]

Time to start figuring out how many years it will take to flush.....again.


The conference rival (which is only a one-way rivalry) continues to roll out championship-caliber teams year after year with different coaches, QB's, etc.

The Chiefs roll out disappointment.2-3 more. Too many butt hugging homers willing to lick Reid's sack for that playoff win.

[notorious]

2-3 more. Too many butt hugging homers willing to lick Reid's sack for that playoff win.

Dude is only 58.


He might be here another 7-8 years.

[kcpasco]

Clark isn't getting rid of Reid.

[MMXcalibur]

Mediocre, slightly above average on a good day.

We enjoyed our playoff win last season, and now we must pay for that joy with another 20 years of wandering the desert.

[notorious]

Clark isn't getting rid of Reid.

Nope.


Reid will be here as long as he wants to be.

[NWTF]

Modern NFL offense
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161003/0629afedaeec3bc58604e7e007dd551e.jpg

Chiefs offense
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161003/fefd6df9b3342bffeddb9ccc42ba0c2e.jpg

You see poorly ran franchises like the Raiders and Jags figuring it out and the Chiefs still trying to do it the hard way.

[Beef Supreme]

Clark isn't getting rid of Reid.

Maybe if they raise the price of parking again, it will be a better experience.

[chiefzilla1501]

Everyone knows that Andy and Alex are the definition of mediocre. But that defensive scheme scheme Sutton ran out there was puke worthy.

I give Sutton a pass. He played an elite offense. He lost sean Smith, Abdullah, mays, Houston, and Gaines. For as much as we Bitch about him, he's had a lot more good games than he's had bad in his time in kc. Despite constantly getting hammered with change and injury.

Reid and Smith gained Schwartz, tyreke hill, and even Conley is playing well. What's their excuse? I'm looking back now and am pissed off as hell that we wasted so much money on offensive players. We should have loaded up to be a defensive powerhouse. Because we can throw on 10 pro bowlers on offense, and Reid and Smith will still manage to manufacture mediocrity out of it.

[jspchief]

I give Sutton a pass. He played an elite offense. He lost sean Smith, Abdullah, mays, Houston, and Gaines. For as much as we Bitch about him, he's had a lot more good games than he's had bad in his time in kc. Despite constantly getting hammered with change and injury.

Reid and Smith gained Schwartz, tyreke hill, and even Conley is playing well. What's their excuse? I'm looking back now and am pissed off as hell that we wasted so much money on offensive players. We should have loaded up to be a defensive powerhouse. Because we can throw on 10 pro bowlers on offense, and Reid and Smith will still manage to manufacture mediocrity out of it.
Sutton always gets a pass when he faces good offenses. This defense has too many talented players to shit the bed against every good offense they face. The difference between a good defense and a mediocre one is how you fare against good offenses. Sutton and his defense ate mediocre.

[ping2000]

Sutton always gets a pass when he faces good offenses. This defense has too many talented players to shit the bed against every good offense they face. The difference between a good defense and a mediocre one is how you fare against good offenses. Sutton and his defense ate mediocre.
This. He does not adjust either. Stubborn old man.

[Beef Supreme]

Sutton and his defense ate mediocre.

I think Andy Reid ate mediocre. At a buffet. From a trough.

[MeatRock]

I give Sutton a pass. He played an elite offense. He lost sean Smith, Abdullah, mays, Houston, and Gaines. For as much as we Bitch about him, he's had a lot more good games than he's had bad in his time in kc. Despite constantly getting hammered with change and injury.

Reid and Smith gained Schwartz, tyreke hill, and even Conley is playing well. What's their excuse? I'm looking back now and am pissed off as hell that we wasted so much money on offensive players. We should have loaded up to be a defensive powerhouse. Because we can throw on 10 pro bowlers on offense, and Reid and Smith will still manage to manufacture mediocrity out of it.

Not sure why you included Mays in there. :bong:

[FloridaMan88]

The Chiefs will never go anywhere with Alex Smith at QB.

The Chiefs, with the talent they have on offense going against an average Pittsburgh defense (who were missing multiple starters) should have been been able to keep things competitive.

Instead you have Alex Smith, a veteran QB entering his 12th year in the NFL and fourth year in this offense who the Chiefs have to gameplan around as if he was Jacoby Brissett (a raw rookie).

Seriously watch the Patriots offensive gameplan for Jacoby Brissett and Andy Reid's offensive gameplan Alex Smith. It is virtually the same. Lots of easy to complete quick screens/short passes, some option plays and nothing complicated downfield in the passing game.

Time to move on from Alex Smith.

[Mr. Laz]

Sutton always gets a pass when he faces good offenses. This defense has too many talented players to shit the bed against every good offense they face. The difference between a good defense and a mediocre one is how you fare against good offenses. Sutton and his defense ate mediocre..Careful ... i got a CP gangrape with a dozen pool cues for saying a much,much nicer version of this.

Prepare thy anus

[Discuss Thrower]

The Chiefs will never go anywhere with Alex Smith at QB.

The Chiefs, with the talent they have on offense going against an average Pittsburgh defense missing multiple starters should have been been able to keep things competitive.

Instead you have a veteran QB entering his 12th year in the NFL and fourth year in this offense who the Chiefs have to gameplan around as if he was Jacoby Brissett (a raw rookie).

Seriously watch the Patriots offensive gameplan for Jacoby Brissett and Andy Reid's offensive gameplan Alex Smith. It is virtually the same. Lots of easy to complete quick screens/short passes, some option plays and nothing complicated downfield in the passing game.

Time to move on from Alex Smith.

THIS.

[Mr. Laz]

The Chiefs will never go anywhere with Alex Smith at QB.

The Chiefs, with the talent they have on offense going against an average Pittsburgh defense missing multiple starters should have been been able to keep things competitive.

Instead you have a veteran QB entering his 12th year in the NFL and fourth year in this offense who the Chiefs have to gameplan around as if he was Jacoby Brissett (a raw rookie).

Seriously watch the Patriots offensive gameplan for Jacoby Brissett and Andy Reid's offensive gameplan Alex Smith. It is virtually the same. Lots of easy to complete quick screens/short passes, some option plays and nothing complicated downfield in the passing game.

Time to move on from Alex Smith.
Bullshit

All over the league, teams are doing quite well with QBs that aren't shit.

Denver won a super bowl last year with a shitstain QB.

[Dave Lane]

C-

That's the easiest way to describe it.

[Bowser]

They are somewhere between mediocre and below average. I'd give them a shaky C- grade at the moment, and that's probably being generous.

[Bowser]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD DAVE

[Discuss Thrower]

C-

That's the easiest way to describe it.

That's generous.

[Bowser]

That's generous.

Q

[FloridaMan88]

Bullshit

All over the league, teams are doing quite well with QBs that aren't shit.

Denver won a super bowl last year with a shitstain QB.

The Chiefs defense isn't anything close to Denver's defense (even with a healthy Justin Houston), and Wade Phillips is 100 times better as a DC than Bob Sutton.

To expect to win with Denver's formula from last year won't work because the Chiefs defense is not as good as Denver's defense.

[NWTF]

The Chiefs will never go anywhere with Alex Smith at QB.

The Chiefs, with the talent they have on offense going against an average Pittsburgh defense (who were missing multiple starters) should have been been able to keep things competitive.

Instead you have Alex Smith, a veteran QB entering his 12th year in the NFL and fourth year in this offense who the Chiefs have to gameplan around as if he was Jacoby Brissett (a raw rookie).

Seriously watch the Patriots offensive gameplan for Jacoby Brissett and Andy Reid's offensive gameplan Alex Smith. It is virtually the same. Lots of easy to complete quick screens/short passes, some option plays and nothing complicated downfield in the passing game.

Time to move on from Alex Smith.

A lot of truth in this, especially the bolded part. Smith does limit what a play caller is comfortable doing. You see these teams with young QBs, allowing them to make plays downfield. Yes, there are growing pains that come with that but the game manager play it safe alternative !@$#ing sucks.

[Mr. Laz]

The Chiefs defense isn't anything close to Denver's defense (even with a healthy Justin Houston), and Wade Phillips is 100 times better as a DC than Bob Sutton.

To expect to win with Denver's formula from last year won't work because the Chiefs defense is not as good as Denver's defense.
I understand but you said "never with Alex" and clearly Denver could have won the super bowl with Alex Smith as their QB last year.

Smith is good enough to win with IF you have coaches that are good enough to win a super bowl.

I seriously doubt that Reid and/or Sutton are good enough to win a super bowl.

[ping2000]

You know what really sucks? We bitch at all the screens Alex throws, and he SUCKS at throwing screens. How many does he completely MISS every game? Fucker can't throw a sideways 3 yard pass. If all you do is dink and dunk, shouldn't he be better at it?

[Bowser]

Bullshit

All over the league, teams are doing quite well with QBs that aren't shit.

Denver won a super bowl last year with a shitstain QB.

Denver makes its money with their defense, not their offense.

[Discuss Thrower]

Sutton will "retire" in January.

[RINGLEADER]

They were bad tonight.

[Bowser]

I understand but you said "never with Alex" and clearly Denver could have won the super bowl with Alex Smith as their QB last year.

Smith is good enough to win with IF you have coaches that are good enough to win a super bowl.

I seriously doubt that Reid and/or Sutton are good enough to win a super bowl.

Smith is NOT good enough to do this in an Air Coryell type of system, that's why we have this weak ass horizontal passing attack. That's why it took us 16 plays and 5 minutes with 6:30 minutes left in a playoff game to pull within a touchdown. Alex doesn't attack down the field because that isn't his strength.

I've seen enough of this shit. FUCK Andy Reid's West Coast System.

[jspchief]

You know what really sucks? We bitch at all the screens Alex throws, and he SUCKS at throwing screens. How many does he completely MISS every game? Fucker can't throw a sideways 3 yard pass. If all you do is dink and dunk, shouldn't he be better at it?
So true. His touch on screen passes is shit.

[Mr. Laz]

Smith is NOT good enough to do this in an Air Coryell type of system, that's why we have this weak ass horizontal passing attack. That's why it took us 16 plays and 5 minutes with 6:30 minutes left in a playoff game to pull within a touchdown. Alex doesn't attack down the field because that isn't his strength.

I've seen enough of this shit. FUCK Andy Reid's West Coast System.

Alex was 1 dropped pass away from the super bowl in San Fran iirc.

Not sure what type of offense they were running

[ping2000]

So true. His touch on screen passes is shit.
In an alternate universe, Alex killed himself and his entire platoon when he couldn't lob the hand grenade out of the foxhole.

[Beef Supreme]

Alex was 1 dropped pass away from the super bowl in San Fran iirc.

Not sure what type of offense they were running

Alex is better than Matt Cassel. That is the most positive thing I can say about him.

[GloucesterChief]

Chiefs offense has played about two quarters and a drive of competent football this season. The defense has no pass rush to help the young secondary.

No, they aren't good.

[Bowser]

Alex was 1 dropped pass away from the super bowl in San Fran iirc.

Not sure what type of offense they were running

Well yeah, I'd absolutely take Harbaugh over Reid and let him bring his offensive philosophies with him. Alex looked real comfortable running his read option offense.

And unfortunately for us, 2011 was a long time ago in football years.

[Discuss Thrower]

Alex was 1 dropped pass away from the super bowl in San Fran iirc.

Not sure what type of offense they were running

I guess the first three quarters of that NFCCG never happened.

[ping2000]

Alex is better than Matt Cassel. That is the most positive thing I can say about him.
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[FloridaMan88]

Alex was 1 dropped pass away from the super bowl in San Fran iirc.

Not sure what type of offense they were running

Alex Smith played on a very talented team, notably with a very talented defense and strong running game.

Alex Smith needs everything else around him to be perfect so he can perform his role of game manager, i.e. don't make mistakes.

When things are not going perfect and he is called on to make plays he fails.

That's what happened tonight.

The Chiefs faced a red hot Pittsburgh offense tonight and the only way they were going to be competitive was to have their offense try to match points (something that shouldn't have been far fetched, given that Pittsburgh's defense has been average this season and was missing multiple starters tonight).

Yet the Chiefs had no chance because Alex Smith can't consistently complete downfield passes unless its garbage time.

[ping2000]

Alex Smith played on a very talented team, notably with a very talented defense and strong running game.

Alex Smith needs everything else around him to be perfect so he can perform his role of game manager, i.e. don't make mistakes.

When things are not going perfect and he is called on to make plays he fails.

That's what happened tonight.

The Chiefs faced a red hot Pittsburgh offense tonight and the only way they were going to be competitive was to have their offense try to match points (something that shouldn't have been far fetched, given that Pittsburgh's defense has been average this season and was missing multiple starters tonight).

Yet the Chiefs had no chance because Alex Smith can't consistently complete downfield passes unless its garbage time.
Even if Alex is "perfect", we are counting on long 10-12 play ball control drives. Fucking hard to do in the modern NFL. If we get behind, we are dead unless we are playing a team that fucks up. This scheme sucks. It's not 1963.

[kcxiv]

What pisses me off is that when the Chiefs play a team that other team does not have to worry about anything over 20 yards downfield. Everything is going to be done inside that 20 yards. There is no team saying, watch the deep pass. It just does NOT happen. Chiefs rarely even try. We have massive speed on offense from our skilled players, yet, they just dont go deep.

[tx4chiefs]

Offense is REALLY bad and the defense has periods of shining.

I sure was disappointed in the prime time play. Way to stay off Sunday & Monday nights next year.

[Snica]

Well, lets see. San Diego was scoring at will on us until they just decided to not play the rest of the game. Houston we looked unprepared. Jets, we destroyed defensively and yet the offense only managed 10 points. Now this.

YEAH, THEY ARE BAD.

[B_Ambuehl]

The chiefs have flaws that prevent them from consistently beating good teams. Defensively they play way too much man coverage and don't have the pass rush to pull it off. They're capable of looking good against weak opponents but against good offenses they will get toasted. Offensively, they don't stretch the field and are easy to defend.

[bricks]

Clark isn't getting rid of Reid.

Sadly, I agree

[tecumseh]

Not bad. Certainly not SB caliber. Don't seem to be building toward a SB caliber team, so I assume they have another agenda. They should let Reid go after this year.

[Chief_For_Life58]

We'll beat the shitty teams but not beat any of the good ones.

Our defense is a fraud. Cb is Shit olb is Shit lb is shit

[chiefzilla1501]

Sutton always gets a pass when he faces good offenses. This defense has too many talented players to shit the bed against every good offense they face. The difference between a good defense and a mediocre one is how you fare against good offenses. Sutton and his defense ate mediocre.

Too many good players? Dj white was getting manhandled last night against the best receiver in the game. Our pass rush minus Houston is not good. Maybe the Chiefs should have thought about that when they did nothing whatsoever to adjust our pass rush and secondary.

Sutton has struggled when he doesn't have two solid corners. He struggled with Cooper with Fleming and with dj white. His defense has otherwise been terrific otherwise and that's including solid performances against good offense. I mean, look at the disastrous group of corners he's had to worn with. Two years ago, we were forced to put Parker at corner because we were so short handed. The difference is, when Sutton gets his guys, he makes the D better. Reid and Smith got lots of toys to play with, and the offense got worse.

So yeah, I don't blame Sutton. Dorsey sacrificed our d to spend more money on our offense. Reid and Smith better figure this shit out. If they don't, then nuke the offense and spend every dollar on defense because I'm tired of making big improvements to our offense on paper yet see nothing in return.

[Couch-Potato]

Alex just needs more weapons.


Yikes. I can't make that excuse for him any longer: Charles, Ware, Maclin, Kelce, Hill, #1 pick LT... This team is one young stand out WR away from having everything an offense should have to be a contender.

...our limitations do not come from the weapons around Alex, but from Alex I hate to say. Can't say that I think Foles is the answer either, although I'd be curious to see what he can do once he's more familiar with the playbook.

There's just no one out there within reach that can step in at QB and take us over the top I don't think... Trade for Romo? He's gotta be done by now. Bortles? He's the Jags only QB, ever! They're never letting him go. Chargers move to LA and Rivers comes over to an AFC West rival? He'd retire and start a family band instead. Kaepernick?... not even going to go there...We're stuck with what we have.

[Chief_For_Life58]

And our offense is a joke

[kcpasco]

You don't need to nuke the entire offense. I won't put all the blame on Smith but he does deserve the majority of it.

[Red Dawg]

This team needs a QB change and it would get better. Nobody in the locker room can actually trust Smith will get the job done after the three years they have seen. The man doesn't get the offense in the end zone and that is the only job a QB has. Smith has never ion 12 years done a good job of running and offense and scoring points.

He's hesitates, has a weak arm and is now playing more scared than ever. He doesn't trust his players to make plays and only throws the ball if they are 3 yards away from their defender.

Cassel was slammed down our throats and now Smith is being slammed up our ass. KC now has the worst QB in the league for the second time in back to back regimes.

[Reerun_KC]

This team needs a QB change and it would get better. Nobody in the locker room can actually trust Smith will get the job done after the three years they have seen. The man doesn't get the offense in the end zone and that is the only job a QB has. Smith has never ion 12 years done a good job of running and offense and scoring points.

He's hesitates, has a weak arm and is now playing more scared than ever. He doesn't trust his players to make plays and only throws the ball if they are 3 yards away from their defender.

Cassel was slammed down our throats and now Smith is being slammed up our ass. KC now has the worst QB in the league for the second time in back to back regimes.


so you are 100% positive that changing out the QB will solve all the play calling issues?

We remove Smith and we stop the horizontal crap that has plagued Reids teams for decades? Its that simple?

[kcpasco]

I know we won't get it but I'd like an explanation from Reid on wtf happened on that first drive. The middle of the field was open but then they started going sideways. It was definitely a head scratcher.

[ping2000]

I know we won't get it but I'd like an explanation from Reid on wtf happened on that first drive. The middle of the field was open but then they started going sideways. It was definitely a head scratcher.
They forgot to laminate the play sheet and the ink ran. "The Screener" then reverted to calling the only plays he knows by heart.

[Wallcrawler]

As long as this scheme requires short passes and YAC to thrive, KC will not have success no matter who the qb is. You cant be down 29 points and taking 15 plays and 5 minutes just to get to the redzone.

That being said, Smith needs benched. He proves time and again how gunshy he is. We are wasting money on Maclin whe Smith wont even give him a chance downfield.


The gunslinger Alex project hinted at by Reid at the beginning was abandoned after Houston. They TRIED to go downfield but Smith could neither make the throws or see wide open receivers.

Countless sideways and 5-7 yd passes tend to make you rusty on real throws.

Until Houston gets back, Sutton learns to gameplan, and a real 2 corner is found, this Dwill not be able to bail out this dumpster fire offense that thinks its 1990 and the WCO is a great offensive scheme.

[R8RFAN]

Not bad just had a bad day... It was a weird game to watch, I have never seen a Cheaps team look so lost on the field and every play looked a step behind pitts.

Personally I love to see you lose but I think they shell shocked the cheaps and they just gave up

[chiefzilla1501]

As long as this scheme requires short passes and YAC to thrive, KC will not have success no matter who the qb is. You cant be down 29 points and taking 15 plays and 5 minutes just to get to the redzone.

That being said, Smith needs benched. He proves time and again how gunshy he is. We are wasting money on Maclin whe Smith wont even give him a chance downfield.


The gunslinger Alex project hinted at by Reid at the beginning was abandoned after Houston. They TRIED to go downfield but Smith could neither make the throws or see wide open receivers.

Countless sideways and 5-7 yd passes tend to make you rusty on real throws.

Until Houston gets back, Sutton learns to gameplan, and a real 2 corner is found, this Dwill not be able to bail out this dumpster fire offense that thinks its 1990 and the WCO is a great offensive scheme.

I've given up on Alex Smith being more than he is. He is who he is. Which isn't bad. But it's not going to improve and it won't work unless you surround him with defense and a running game. The problem is, even if you throw in foles... Is that going to stop running sideways screens 2 of 3 downs? Because those aren't checkdowns. That's the play call. I think Childress is a big part of the problem so far. The offensive play calling at the end of last year was actually not half bad. Not my favorite, but much better. That's been a very noticeable difference this year.

[58-4ever]

Exceptionally average... like always

[old_geezer]

The "Not Ready for Prime Time" players took the field against the Steelers last night. Actually it looked more like the Washington Generals vs the Harlem Globe Trotters. I am not impressed by any aspect of this Chief's team this year.

[scho63]

This team will be 7-9 or 8-8. They should be 1-3 in reality. The Raiders and Broncos are much better teams.

We will wind up in 3rd and no playoffs

[lcarus]

I'd say hell yes, but Steelers fans were saying the same after week 3. Some here said we were walking into a buzzsaw, and I had a feeling they were right. And they were definitely right. All in all it's just 1 game and we're 2-2 now. Things change. We need Justin Houston back in a really really big way though. This front 7 has no fire.

[notorious]

This team will be 7-9 or 8-8. They should be 1-3 in reality. The Raiders and Broncos are much better teams.

We will wind up in 3rd and no playoffs

Much better?

No.

They are playing better, though.

[kcpasco]

The Raiders are playing better as of now but their schedule gets harder. Still have 12 games left.

[Tempest]

You see poorly ran franchises like the Raiders and Jags figuring it out and the Chiefs still trying to do it the hard way.

And yet the Chiefs will win more games than both of those teams this year.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

We've seen this show for a couple years now.

The Chiefs will still wind up winning 9-10 games. Maybe sneak into a wild card. And then get bounced immediately.

[Chan93lx50]

I dunno, Smith is looking slower, when the line breaks down, which it has been breaking down quite frequently as of late he is not able to scramble and make plays. This was a huge dynamic to his play. He is also having trouble with accuracy on his short ball and it's killing drives. Another issue is we need Houston back, running this Man 2 man defense with out a consistent pass rush is brutal!

[gblowfish]

Is a bear Catholic?

[kccrow]

If I'm an offensive player in the huddle, I'm having a harder time looking at Alex Smith each and every drive. He simply doesn't get the job done. When they sit on the bench, watching guys like Big Ben carve them up on defense by making the throws that need to be made, it's awful tough to go out with their "guy" and hope to accomplish the same thing.

[Simply Red]

I read on CP how good Mitchell Schwartz was & how he'd make a huge difference.

[R8RFAN]

If I'm an offensive player in the huddle, I'm having a harder time looking at Alex Smith each and every drive. He simply doesn't get the job done. When they sit on the bench, watching guys like Big Ben carve them up on defense by making the throws that need to be made, it's awful tough to go out with their "guy" and hope to accomplish the same thing.

Smiff runs the plays the OC sends in to him... Smiff is not a bad qb he is actually a good smart stable qb .. Is he the best in the NFL? No but he is far from the worst...

I would be mad as hell if it were my team that got thumped for the whole world to see but if you want to blame someone ,, blame those lost cb's last night.

[CupidStunt]

Sutton always gets a pass when he faces good offenses. This defense has too many talented players to shit the bed against every good offense they face. The difference between a good defense and a mediocre one is how you fare against good offenses. Sutton and his defense ate mediocre.

I'm not giving Sutton a pass but you make it sound like he's the reason.

Talented players???

Maybe in the combine/not-in-pads sense. But where is the FOOTBALL TALENT on this defense? Poe was great - 3 years ago. DJ is a good player, but clearly aging. Ditto Hali except instead of aging, change to fossilizing. Peters is a sick playmaker but also burnt toast. Berry is an irrelevant ghost. What other talent do you speak of?

Look at a REAL defense like Denver. Now that's talent. Two sick corners who completely rape any WR they face. A safety who completely changes the way receivers run routes over the middle. An edge rusher who's a top 5 football player in the league and COMPLETELY dominates the game. LBs who fly to the football and tackle well instead of away from it like our pussies.

[Stryker]

If I'm an offensive player in the huddle, I'm having a harder time looking at Alex Smith each and every drive. He simply doesn't get the job done. When they sit on the bench, watching guys like Big Ben carve them up on defense by making the throws that need to be made, it's awful tough to go out with their "guy" and hope to accomplish the same thing.

This. Look at Dak Prescott, Brock Oswieler (sp) or Carson Wentz. These guys are throwing the long ball and accurately. Why in the hell can't the Chiefs get a good passer? This dink and dunk shit for 10 yards or less is ridiculous. Last night I was completely embarrassed to be a Chiefs fan - they looked like absolute shit on national TV. Last weeks victory seems worthless when you play like they did last night.

[Discuss Thrower]

I read on CP how good Mitchell Schwartz was & how he'd make a huge difference.

The most lllllllllllllllllloaded 14-2 team we've ever seen in KC.

[CupidStunt]

This. Look at Dak Prescott, Brock Oswieler (sp) or Carson Wentz. These guys are throwing the long ball and accurately. Why in the hell can't the Chiefs get a good passer? This dink and dunk shit for 10 yards or less is ridiculous. Last night I was completely embarrassed to be a Chiefs fan - they looked like absolute shit on national TV. Last weeks victory seems worthless when you play like they did last night.

This is why I'm so pissed to be a Chiefs fan. They make you feel like a fucking idiot for being a fan, right? Luckily I didn't watch much of that shit, AND I won a good amount of $. Disassociation is nice. But I'd still like to actually have some pride... one day.

I've actually compliment Clark Hunt quite a lot but you know what, maybe he's the fucker who's obsessed with pathetic, dinkNdunk QBs? Because no matter who the coach has been, this organization has REFUSED to somehow find an aggressive and potential franchise QB. Hunt seems to be the only constant. WTF?

[Red Dawg]

Smiff runs the plays the OC sends in to him... Smiff is not a bad qb he is actually a good smart stable qb .. Is he the best in the NFL? No but he is far from the worst...

I would be mad as hell if it were my team that got thumped for the whole world to see but if you want to blame someone ,, blame those lost cb's last night.

Wake up! He is bad bad bad! The offense doesn't score for crying out loud! No qb is worse at scoring the last three years than Smith. Teams with less talent all around and with qb's with zero experience are scoring more than us.

[Simply Red]

Wake up! He is bad bad bad! The offense doesn't score for crying out loud! No qb is worse at scoring the last three years than Smith. Teams with less talent all around and with qb's with zero experience are scoring more than us.



I apologize for calling you stupid - I just was tired of reading all the negativity PRIOR to the games, to the point I couldn't enjoy them. Doesn't look like there's going to be much to enjoy this year. I just hate I already committed to going to the Falcons / Chiefs game - Wish I wouldn't have.

[R8RFAN]

I apologize for calling you stupid - I just was tired of reading all the negativity PRIOR to the games, to the point I couldn't enjoy them. Doesn't look like there's going to be much to enjoy this year. I just hate I already committed to going to the Falcons / Chiefs game - Wish I wouldn't have.

Cheap fans say this shit every year and then run off 7-8 wins without a loss.. cry me a river cheap fans

[Simply Red]

you seem nice.

[gblowfish]

This is why I'm so pissed to be a Chiefs fan. They make you feel like a ****ing idiot for being a fan, right? Luckily I didn't watch much of that shit, AND I won a good amount of $. Disassociation is nice. But I'd still like to actually have some pride... one day.

I've actually compliment Clark Hunt quite a lot but you know what, maybe he's the ****er who's obsessed with pathetic, dinkNdunk QBs? Because no matter who the coach has been, this organization has REFUSED to somehow find an aggressive and potential franchise QB. Hunt seems to be the only constant. WTF?

Once the Hunt family got brutally raped by the Blackledge pick in 1983, they've been adverse ever since.

[Bowser]

UPDATED -

Yes, we are bad. At the very least, we gave no reason last night to say that we will be good this year. That Pittsburgh defense was mediocre coming into that game and was missing one of their best players in Shazier, and they cut through us like a hot knife through butter.

Pittsburgh just confirmed what the entire league thinks about the Chiefs - you aggressively attack the Chiefs on both sides of the ball, because the strength of the Chiefs is to hold down a lead with their version of small ball on offense that burns the clock. For fuck's sake, we were down 43 points and it took us a 15 PLAY DRIVE to get a score.

Bad on offense, bad on special teams, terrible on defense.

[Bowser]

Once the Hunt family got brutally raped by the Blackledge pick in 1983, they've been adverse ever since.

They need to get the fuck over that, like about 15-20 years ago.

[Otter]

The Chiefs are the Jan Brady of the NFL. Not good, not bad, just...filler.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

In spite of that shit show last night, I'd bet good money right now that the Chiefs will beat Oakland in 2 weeks

[Discuss Thrower]

In spite of that shit show last night, I'd bet good money right now that the Chiefs will beat Oakland in 2 weeks

Sure you will.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Sure you will.

Oh STHU.

It's no different than Pittsburgh getting waxed by Philly last week

When a team has 2 weeks to prepare for a division rival after getting their asses embarrassed, especially with Reid's post bye week track record, that team is very liable to win that next game.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Dont know if they are bad but they certainly are not good

[BlackHelicopters]

3-13

[Bowser]

Oh STHU.

It's no different than Pittsburgh getting waxed by Philly last week

When a team has 2 weeks to prepare for a division rival after getting their asses embarrassed, especially with Reid's post bye week track record, that team is very liable to win that next game.

All I know is that we better go out there and dominate after getting humiliated on prime time and having two weeks to plan against them. If not, time to start looking to the future.

[Valiant]

Poorly coached/motivated team.

Same as it ever was. Good teams will feast on us. We will get better with houston. But our front seven is mostly soft.

[Beef Supreme]

Dont know if they are bad but they certainly are not good

The Steelers just made all of the weaknesses of this Chiefs team glaringly apparent. It's not like we didn't already know about them. We've been talking about them. The Steelers just attacked every weakness aggressively and did't let up. The Chargers were doing it for 3 quarters and then melted down and we somehow found an offense for a few minutes. Though if Keenan Allen didn't get hurt they would have certainly finished us off.

The offense managed to score 10 whole points off of 6 turnovers against the Jets. The defense and special teams scored on the other 2 turnovers, so I won't count that against the offense.

The defense doesn't scheme really. They man up and may the best man win. And guess what, they aren't that good. They look good against the Fitzpatricks of the league and bad against the Rapistburgers of the league. They can't stop the run. They can't stop the pass from a decent QB. I guess it's better than the Vermeil years.

The offense has an outstanding horizontal game. Too bad those yards don't count. They suck out loud in the red zone.

I'm gonna go with bad.

[Simply Red]

3-13

Gosh that's harsher than my 7-9.

[Simply Red]

as dumb as this sounds - I will say even though Ware fumbled - he was super pissed about it and he seemed to come back and run pissed off. I thought that was somewhat good - also CC had a fair game.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

In spite of that shit show last night, I'd bet good money right now that the Chiefs will beat Oakland in 2 weeks

Healthy Gaines. Offensive line corrects their crap. Maclin getting his head straight. Charles installed back into the offense, Lillard understanding how to read the right gaps...

Oakland defense will open up lots of opportunities to get the team back on track

[Hammock Parties]

Healthy Gaines. Offensive line corrects their crap. Maclin getting his head straight. Charles installed back into the offense, Lillard understanding how to read the right gaps...

Oakland defense will open up lots of opportunities to get the team back on track

Sean Smith will probably be stuntin' on Alex all game long.

[loochy]

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[New World Order]

Healthy Gaines. Offensive line corrects their crap. Maclin getting his head straight. Charles installed back into the offense, Lillard understanding how to read the right gaps...

Oakland defense will open up lots of opportunities to get the team back on track


Just like the weak Pitt defense.

[Mr. Laz]

I give Sutton a pass. He played an elite offense. He lost sean Smith, Abdullah, mays, Houston, and Gaines. For as much as we Bitch about him, he's had a lot more good games than he's had bad in his time in kc. Despite constantly getting hammered with change and injury.

Reid and Smith gained Schwartz, tyreke hill, and even Conley is playing well. What's their excuse? I'm looking back now and am pissed off as hell that we wasted so much money on offensive players. We should have loaded up to be a defensive powerhouse. Because we can throw on 10 pro bowlers on offense, and Reid and Smith will still manage to manufacture mediocrity out of it.
CP says that Smith and Mays suck and Abdullah was washed up.

Now they are "losses"

please ... Gunther errr Sutton has no idea what to do if he doesn't have a ready made pass rush and 2 corners that are plug and plug on the outside.

gunther - Neil Smith/Derrick Thomas ... Hasty/Carter
Sutton - Hali/Houston ... Smith/Peters

Always talking about how they need one more player to have a great defense.

[chiefzilla1501]

CP says that Smith and Mays suck and Abdullah was washed up.

Now they are "losses"

please ... Gunther errr Sutton has no idea what to do if he doesn't have a ready made pass rush and 2 corners that are plug and plug on the outside.

gunther - Neil Smith/Derrick Thomas ... Hasty/Carter
Sutton - Hali/Houston ... Smith/Peters

Always talking about how they need one more player to have a great defense.

Most people acknowledged that Mays turned into serviceable last year. And I don't think anyone complained about Abdullah. My point wasn't to say Mays and Abdullah were huge losses. I am pointing out that we went into the season knowing we were at a pretty significant net loss on defense, and we did nothing to address it. Meanwhile, we bolstered an offense for a coach and QB who have no interest in using those weapons to their advantage.

I agree on the point that he needs 2 OLBs and 2 corners. The difference is, when he gets those things, he delivers. Gunther never did. They're not even close to the same thing. And Sutton doesn't need elite talent at corner. He led an effective enough defense two years ago when the team was so banged up, they were playing Jamel Fleming while forcing Ron Parker to play CB #2. I agree, he doesn't adjust well when your CB is such a liability that QBs put a bullseye on their back (see Cooper, DJ White, Fleming). But I also don't think there's a ton you can do in that instance.

[PAChiefsGuy]

I think we are what our record says a 2-2 team.. We won as many games as we lost without our two best players (Charles and Justin Houston).

Houston will be back eventually and when that happens this defense will look different. Charles should get more touches against the Raiders and I think that will open things up for our offense a little.

We'll be alright. I'm not going to panic because of one loss.

[CupidStunt]

^

2-0 vs two awful 1-3 teams, including a miracle in one of those wins

0-2 vs two 3-1 teams, both utter fucking rape shows, and one of those teams isn't even any good

LOL

[KranzDictum]

Here is my take on kc if anyone cares.

Nothing has changed or improved in Reids tenure, this is the biggest problem. It still takes smoke and mirrors to put together a 15 play FG drive. Still drafting undersized speedy mccluster type slash guys that you can't use to win a match up. Everything is based around 5 yards behind the LOS and 5 yards in front of the LOS. The speed guys aren't being asked to use their speed to blow by guys down field where they would face taller CB's but asked to use their speed in the YAC game.

Ware is not a Westbrook style RB who is based around the passing game. He is more of a thumper who can wear D's down over time but that type of power run game is not something Reid wants to lean on and use. Charles will make you guys better when he is able to go 100% maybe 6 or 8 games from now, if not next year. Sure Charles is going to play but the fact that they were so sparing with him with West out only meant that they wanted to baby him back. I will say it was wet so maybe they were careful of that too.

The OL seems worse this year than last year. Alex tried to string out a play to his left and Fisher let his guy come off him for a sack and there was another sack that I thought was on the left side that lead to the INT. The interior seems OK, Ware is fine running between the tackles as long as he holds on to the ball. RT seems like a work in progress. Stephenson, was playing well for Broncos. Another example of kc letting a guy playing decent walk, like the LT who went to Miami a couple years ago.

No 1 2 punch at WR, if macklin is taken out of a game Conley isn't going to be a 100 yard guy. I don't know who the 3 and 4 WR's are.

Reid went 3 TE a lot in the Jets game because if they can catch the ball and make one move they can pick up 10-15 yards YAC. Andy's best move is to put a bunch of big guys on the LOS and spread them all out and run a mix of slants and RB swing passes to hope to get 5-7 yards at contact and hope the 1st guy misses and get another 10 yards.

On D the 3 man front is stout, no one like a Wolfe at DE though.

At OLB Hali is old and a shadow of what he used to be, good for a couple good plays a game. Ford is a guy. Noticed they some #52 out there a lot. They seemed to rotate Ford out a lot last week too.

ILB Johnson is looking like Hali and DJ is just another dude.

CB - Peters is good when recognizing the shorter routes but without any help in front or behind he guesses and gets beat. Gaines struggles to play due to injury, but is serviceable when in. Nelson? Too soon haven't seen much out of him in the last 2 games. The rookie White was lost out there.

Safety: Doesn't seem like Berry wants to be there anymore. Was misused last night.

Vs the Jets kc got all the miscues they made vs Pitt and even then it was game late, even after Fitz threw all those picks. Good teams can move the ball in those types of games.

Good teams have to be able to move the ball for points without needing turnovers, great FP from ST's or breaks from flags i.e. other team mistakes.

Still not sure why teams don't push their D's up and play cover 1 vs chiefs with a zone in the mid of the field and man outside coverage. It is not like alex is going to throw it downfield enough to keep a second safety back there, bring him up to spy and keep the YAC down.

So to answer the OP's question: The chiefs are not good.

[PAChiefsGuy]

^

2-0 vs two awful 1-3 teams, including a miracle in one of those wins

0-2 vs two 3-1 teams, both utter ****ing rape shows, and one of those teams isn't even any good

LOL

Again, I am not going to panic. Being 2-2 isn't the end of the world...

If you are going to panic and ask for everyone to be fired, cut Alex Smith, etc after 4 games that's fine. That's your choice...

I'm from Pennsylvania.. I am familiar with Andy Reid teams. Don't count them out until they are officially eliminated because they will keep fighting and so will we.

It's one game. We will bounce back from this.

[Buck]

From the outside looking in I'll just say that you're not as good as Oakland or Denver. You kicked our ass, but who hasn't?

[MeatRock]

As long as this scheme requires short passes and YAC to thrive, KC will not have success no matter who the qb is. You cant be down 29 points and taking 15 plays and 5 minutes just to get to the redzone.

That being said, Smith needs benched. He proves time and again how gunshy he is. We are wasting money on Maclin whe Smith wont even give him a chance downfield.


The gunslinger Alex project hinted at by Reid at the beginning was abandoned after Houston. They TRIED to go downfield but Smith could neither make the throws or see wide open receivers.

Countless sideways and 5-7 yd passes tend to make you rusty on real throws.

Until Houston gets back, Sutton learns to gameplan, and a real 2 corner is found, this Dwill not be able to bail out this dumpster fire offense that thinks its 1990 and the WCO is a great offensive scheme.

How can a QB be gun shy when every other play that's called is a screen to a WR or RB?

[PHOG]

Depends

[NWTF]

From the outside looking in I'll just say that you're not as good as Oakland or Denver. You kicked our ass, but who hasn't?

I think they are going to go into Oakland in two weeks and win. Andy Reid is like 15-2 after a bye. Its the Chiefs redemption game, and they get a poor Raiders D to unleash on. Now, its not going to be like the old fashioned spanking out behind the woodshed in Pittsburgh last night. Oakland may choke, but they wont crawl into the fetal position if they get bitch slapped early. Their O plays to win instead of playing not to loose. However, the Chiefs backs are against the wall, Oakland lives on the edge every week with a good O and horrible D. They are due for one of these games to go the other way. Chiefs win and the band wagon fills back up.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I think they are going to go into Oakland in two weeks and win. Andy Reid is like 15-2 after a bye. Its the Chiefs redemption game, and they get a poor Raiders D to unleash on. Now, its not going to be like the old fashioned spanking out behind the woodshed in Pittsburgh last night. Oakland may choke, but they wont crawl into the fetal position if they get bitch slapped early. Their O plays to win instead of playing not to loose. However, the Chiefs backs are against the wall, Oakland lives on the edge every week with a good O and horrible D. They are due for one of these games to go the other way. Chiefs win and the band wagon fills back up.

Um, sorry to let you know, but the Steelers D isn't any good either. The trouble is neither is our offense so we can't take advantage of poor defensive units.

[carcosa]

Ok, I think they might be bad :(

[WhiteWhale]

Um, sorry to let you know, but the Steelers D isn't any good either. The trouble is neither is our offense so we can't take advantage of poor defensive units.

If KC played New Orleans, they'd win by 30.

Because it doesn't matter how good or bad the defense is, Alex is the same guy. He doesn't expose terrible defenses, but he doesn't throw 4 picks against good ones. That's how safe he plays it.

[kgrund]

The answer is they are bad NOW. The question is can they turn this around to good? Last year's start was a dumpster fire and they turned it around. If some people on this board believed in the Chiefs like the Royals (I know they won a crown save me the speech), they would cite they had comeback in the past from worse. Am I saying we will roll after a rough start like we did last year? No, I am merely saying they we have done it in the recent past so there is a decent chance they could get this ship turned around.

[KranzDictum]

The answer is they are bad NOW. The question is can they turn this around to good? Last year's start was a dumpster fire and they turned it around. If some people on this board believed in the Chiefs like the Royals (I know they won a crown save me the speech), they would cite they had comeback in the past from worse. Am I saying we will roll after a rough start like we did last year? No, I am merely saying they we have done it in the recent past so there is a decent chance they could get this ship turned around.

Last year(s) they won games against teams starting backup QBs or 1st time starters. This year other than Fitz who shouldn't be starting and SD who should have a new coach they have been facing the teams best QB. Of their 2 wins Fitz gave them one of those and it was still close until like the 8th turnover.

Face it kc is a team that relys on the D and ST's to give their line of scrimmage O field position to drive 8-12 plays for a FG drive.

[rico]

Are we bad?!?!


No!!!!

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/08/17/colin-cowherd-200x250.jpg

Because COLIN COWHERD says that we're "GOOD, but boring." So that must mean that we are good!!!!!!!

[carcosa]

Are we bad?!?!


No!!!!

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/08/17/colin-cowherd-200x250.jpg

Because COLIN COWHERD says that we're "GOOD, but boring." So that must mean that we are good!!!!!!!

YSN :)

[rico]

YSN :)

Well, thank you! I use my nice-guy references such as Cowherd as a positive example of how to be in life!!!!!!

[RaidersOftheCellar]

You nancies are overreacting to one disastrous game.

If I recall correctly, last year's Super Bowl winner had a similarly embarrassing loss (at home) much later in the season. Who'd they lose to again?

I also recall New England getting throttled (by some "bad" team) on MNF before going on to win the SB.

Newsflash...teams tend to bring it at home in nationally televised prime time games. Throw in a number of turnovers and other blunders giving a good offense a short field, and blowouts can easily occur.

The offense isn't where I thought it would be at this point, but I put a lot of the blame on linemen performing well below expectation and completely breaking down at the worst times. And yes, less sideways play calling would be nice.

Every year under Dorsey there's been OL turnover. Hard to consistently put out a cohesive unit. They generally start porous but get stronger as the year progresses.

Most of you probably predicted doom last year when Charles went down. And each time Houston's gone down. Berry. DJ. The list goes on, yet they find ways to win games. Most teams fall apart when they lose players of that caliber, yet the expectation is for KC to put out a SB contender minus their best players. Bizarre how that works.

Why don't we wait til Charles gets back in the swing, Houston and others return, then decide what we have here?

[rico]

You nancies are overreacting to one disastrous game.

If I recall correctly, last year's Super Bowl winner had a similarly embarrassing loss (at home) much later in the season. Who'd they lose to again?

I also recall New England getting throttled (by some "bad" team) on MNF before going on to win the SB.

Newsflash...teams tend to bring it at home in nationally televised prime time games. Throw in a number of turnovers and other blunders giving a good offense a short field, and blowouts can easily occur.

The offense isn't where I thought it would be at this point, but I put a lot of the blame on linemen performing well below expectation and completely breaking down at the worst times. And yes, less sideways play calling would be nice.

Every year under Dorsey there's been OL turnover. Hard to consistently put out a cohesive unit. They generally start porous but get stronger as the year progresses.

Most of you probably predicted doom last year when Charles went down. And each time Houston's gone down. Berry. DJ. The list goes on, yet they find ways to win games. Most teams fall apart when they lose players of that caliber, yet the expectation is for KC to put out a SB contender minus their best players. Bizarre how that works.

Why don't we wait til Charles gets back in the swing, Houston and others return, then decide what we have here?

First post?!?!?!?

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54298190e4b0027ed7da9fa3/54298393e4b041fc9d8729ea/56bb9765c2ea51d09c492a19/1455223421244/?format=1500w

We don't take too kindly to fresh n00bs around these parts.

[Beef Supreme]

You nancies are overreacting to one disastrous game.

If I recall correctly, last year's Super Bowl winner had a similarly embarrassing loss (at home) much later in the season. Who'd they lose to again?

I also recall New England getting throttled (by some "bad" team) on MNF before going on to win the SB.

Newsflash...teams tend to bring it at home in nationally televised prime time games. Throw in a number of turnovers and other blunders giving a good offense a short field, and blowouts can easily occur.

The offense isn't where I thought it would be at this point, but I put a lot of the blame on linemen performing well below expectation and completely breaking down at the worst times. And yes, less sideways play calling would be nice.

Every year under Dorsey there's been OL turnover. Hard to consistently put out a cohesive unit. They generally start porous but get stronger as the year progresses.

Most of you probably predicted doom last year when Charles went down. And each time Houston's gone down. Berry. DJ. The list goes on, yet they find ways to win games. Most teams fall apart when they lose players of that caliber, yet the expectation is for KC to put out a SB contender minus their best players. Bizarre how that works.

Why don't we wait til Charles gets back in the swing, Houston and others return, then decide what we have here?

Holy shit this has to be a troll mult.

Reference the Pats getting blown out and then onto the Superbowl: Check.
Reference our 1-5 start and 11 game win streak: Check.
Nationally televised game for Pitt, at home, we didn't have a chance: Check
Blame the O-Line: Check.
Remind us again how we gave up hope last year: Check.
Then tell us our expectations are too high: Check.
Charles and Houston are injured. Did you know this? Check.

[rico]

Holy shit this has to be a troll mult.

Reference the Pats getting blown out and then onto the Superbowl: Check.
Reference our 1-5 start and 11 game win streak: Check.
Nationally televised game, at home, we didn't have a chance: Check
Blame the O-Line: Check.
Remind us again how we gave up hope last year: Check.
Then tell us our expectations are too high: Check.
Charles and Houston are injured. Did you know this? Check.

Maybe a long-term lurker, first time poster?!?!? Maybe a move-in from another site!?!?!? Maybe a guy who has always read the newspapers and always kept up, but just discovered CP?!?!?! Maybe a Staylor mult?!?!?!? That's it, he's a Staylor mult!!!!! That new poster is Staylor...trying to reinvent himself.... There's no end to the possibilities!!!!

[CupidStunt]

You nancies are overreacting to one disastrous game.

If I recall correctly, last year's Super Bowl winner had a similarly embarrassing loss (at home) much later in the season. Who'd they lose to again?

I also recall New England getting throttled (by some "bad" team) on MNF before going on to win the SB.

Newsflash...teams tend to bring it at home in nationally televised prime time games. Throw in a number of turnovers and other blunders giving a good offense a short field, and blowouts can easily occur.

The offense isn't where I thought it would be at this point, but I put a lot of the blame on linemen performing well below expectation and completely breaking down at the worst times. And yes, less sideways play calling would be nice.

Every year under Dorsey there's been OL turnover. Hard to consistently put out a cohesive unit. They generally start porous but get stronger as the year progresses.

Most of you probably predicted doom last year when Charles went down. And each time Houston's gone down. Berry. DJ. The list goes on, yet they find ways to win games. Most teams fall apart when they lose players of that caliber, yet the expectation is for KC to put out a SB contender minus their best players. Bizarre how that works.

Why don't we wait til Charles gets back in the swing, Houston and others return, then decide what we have here?

Good news: there are tickets available! Many, MANY tickets. Every week.

[Simply Red]

FIRE IN THA HOLEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Simply Red]

CP says that Smith and Mays suck and Abdullah was washed up.

Now they are "losses"

please ... Gunther errr Sutton has no idea what to do if he doesn't have a ready made pass rush and 2 corners that are plug and plug on the outside.

gunther - Neil Smith/Derrick Thomas ... Hasty/Carter
Sutton - Hali/Houston ... Smith/Peters

Always talking about how they need one more player to have a great defense.

I'm excited to see how this new Mitchell Schwartz plays!!

[Coogs]

These next two weeks are big weeks for this season. If Denver beats Atlanta in Denver, and Oakland beats San Diego in Oakland, it almost makes our game in Oakland a must win game. Oakland has already won 3 road games, and Denver has won 2. If we don't beat Oakland, we would be 0-3 on the road, with road games at Atlanta, Carolina, and Denver still on the schedule.

[Simply Red]

Atlanta is ready for Denver.

[Discuss Thrower]

Atlanta is ready for Denver.

Is Coleman playing? Last I heard he wasn't sure because of the elevation issue.

[Bowser]

Atlanta is ready for Denver.

I would love, love, love to see them go in there and drop 40+ on them, but I just don't think it's going to happen. That defense is just too good at their house, and how often do we see players that put up numbers like Ryan and Julio did only to lay an egg the next week? Denver probably wins this one rather comfortably.

[Simply Red]

si (http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/football/falcons-plan-for-coleman-to-play-in-denver/nsj2C/)Is Coleman playing? Last I heard he wasn't sure because of the elevation issue.

[Simply Red]

I would love, love, love to see them go in there and drop 40+ on them, but I just don't think it's going to happen. That defense is just too good at their house, and how often do we see players that put up numbers like Ryan and Julio did only to lay an egg the next week? Denver probably wins this one rather comfortably.

You certainly never know - but they're 'clicking' right now.

[KranzDictum]

Atlanta is ready for Denver.

Why wouldn't Denver be just as ready for Atlanta?

You are pinning your hopes on Matt Ryan who is known to go full Matt Cassell and turn the ball over under pressure.

[notorious]

Denver will get physical ala 90s football. They will mug, hold, rape, cheap shit the WRs all the way down the field.


It will work, and they will win.

[scho63]

Looks like they are pretty bad so far!

From Arrowhead Pride

The Kansas City Chiefs offensive line has not graded out well through four games. Pro Football Focus graded every offensive line and has the Chiefs ranked 25th. That seems even a little generous considering just one team has given up more sacks than the Chiefs.

Why is the Chiefs o-line not so good this year when we thought they would be? A couple things stand out to me...

Injuries. The Chiefs have started eight offensive linemen. In addition to their Week 1 starters, Zach Fulton, Jordan Devey and Jah Reid have started games at the guard positions. Every team has injuries though and it’s not just the guards that have struggled, PFF writes.

Mitchell Schwartz has been solid at right tackle, though he has been beaten for five sacks already, while Eric Fisher’s rise seems to have topped out at “okay.” The interior has been an issue, with Mitch Morse in particular struggling in the run game, currently ranked as the 31st center in terms of overall grade.
The other thing you can throw out there is that Alex Smith has thrown a LOT more than usual. His 168 attempts through four games this year translates to 672 on the season. 672!!! The most passes he’s thrown in a season is 508 in his first year in Kansas City. That’s a ridiculous pace. I didn’t realize how out of whack that was until I looked at these numbers.

This happens when the Chiefs are losing. Guess what, they haven’t done a lot of losing in the last year. It comes back to starting fast. Don’t get in a hole so you can stay balanced on offense. Get back to that average of about 30 passes per game and I bet you see the Chiefs offensive line improve.

[stevieray]

Denver will get physical ala 90s football. They will mug, hold, rape, cheap shit the WRs all the way down the field.


It will work, and they will win.

...and just like every year, they have high number of home games early, (5 of 8)and every tough game at home.

The Chiefs? first 3 of 8 are home.

I wonder if other divisions schedules are also set up to favor certain teams.

[notorious]

...and just like every year, they have high number of home games early, (5 of 8)and every tough game at home.

The Chiefs? first 3 of 8 are home.

I wonder if other divisions schedules are also set up to favor certain teams.

I have noticed this trend for years.

[Hammock Parties]

...and just like every year, they have high number of home games early, (5 of 8)and every tough game at home.

The Chiefs? first 3 of 8 are home.

I wonder if other divisions schedules are also set up to favor certain teams.

The Chiefs played 4 of 8 at home to start last season.

The Broncos played 3 of 8 at home, and 4 of their first 6 on the road.

Stop whining about bullshit that isn't even real.

[RunKC]

...and just like every year, they have high number of home games early, (5 of 8)and every tough game at home.

The Chiefs? first 3 of 8 are home.

I wonder if other divisions schedules are also set up to favor certain teams.

They do play all the good teams/QB's at home while we play them away. It's unreal how they get that treatment.

[KranzDictum]

They do play all the good teams/QB's at home while we play them away. It's unreal how they get that treatment.

Except for the years they always had to always go to NE or Indy year after year. Schedule makers only now evening it out.

Since I have been here you guys find excuse after excuse for kc fail. My favorite though is that it only rains on kc and that is why you lost at Pitt.

Every team is dealing with injuries. Hell if Broncos didn't have depth at OLB like Shane Ray and Shaq Barrett they would miss Ware more. Draft better and fill out your roster better and one guy being hurt won't doom your whole season.

[scho63]

Isn't this an oxymoron?

Mitchell Schwartz has been solid at right tackle, though he has been beaten for five sacks already,

[notorious]

Isn't this an oxymoron?

Mitchell Schwartz has been solid at right tackle, though he has been beaten for five sacks already,

I thought the same thing.


He is on pace to give up 20 sacks this year, and that is considered solid? :eek:

[RunKC]

I thought the same thing.


He is on pace to give up 20 sacks this year, and that is considered solid? :eek:

Most of them are Alex holding the ball forever or running into a pressure when the pocket's clean.

Clay has a gif in his thread of the one from the Pit game.

[stevieray]

Stop whining

oh, this is rich.

3 of the last 5 years. Happens more often than not.

[stevieray]

They do play all the good teams/QB's at home while we play them away. It's unreal how they get that treatment.

yup. same as it ever was.

[KranzDictum]

oh, this is rich.

3 of the last 5 years. Happens more often than not.

And it only rains when kc has the ball....

Excuses

[Simply Red]

Why wouldn't Denver be just as ready for Atlanta?

You are pinning your hopes on Matt Ryan who is known to go full Matt Cassell and turn the ball over under pressure.

were you saying something?

[Simply Red]

Oh Kranzzzzzzzz!?????????!??????????

[Simply Red]

I bet it was more of an ass whoopin than the score said - I only watched the first half and saw about 4 calls go Denver's way - which were all nonsense. Ya see when you play Denver you play the refs too.

[Simply Red]

I am fucking awesome - the dirty birds are a better team - that's how and why I pinned hope on Ryan. They're a better football team all the way around.

[Simply Red]

nice win bud

[Buzz]

So Clay took over Simply Reds account? ~ wrong font and posting style.

[DaneMcCloud]

Who knows if the Chiefs are good or bad?

If season history repeats itself, they'll lose on the road against Oakland then win the next few games at home.

They lack an identity on offense, which is nothing new for this Andy Reid coached team.

[GloryDayz]

Chiefs doing the spin thing..

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/videos/Focus_Point_Bye_Week/3210e6ac-56b7-440b-afeb-db24dde58f5b

[Simply Red]

So Clay took over Simply Reds account? ~ wrong font and posting style.

I gave up comic sans mos ago ;)

[Simply Red]

So Clay took over Simply Reds account? ~ wrong font and posting style.

That was against a Bronco fan that was telling me that Denver was ready for Atlanta. They weren't - I'm sure the score is not reflective as to just how bad that ass whoopin was, & no I don't expect KC to win in Atlanta but they may...

[Bowser]

Chiefs doing the spin thing..

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/videos/Focus_Point_Bye_Week/3210e6ac-56b7-440b-afeb-db24dde58f5b

They need to look at some of the breakdowns Aspengc8 has shown us, then get back to us.

[Simply Red]

They need to look at some of the breakdowns Aspengc8 has shown us, then get back to us.

Yup.

[Chief Northman]

Chiefs doing the spin thing..

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/videos/Focus_Point_Bye_Week/3210e6ac-56b7-440b-afeb-db24dde58f5b

What do you expect? They are paid employees of the organization.

Were you hoping BJ would lose his shit and stomp and scream until Smith and Reid are burned in effigy?

[GloryDayz]

They need to look at some of the breakdowns Aspengc8 has shown us, then get back to us.
Agree, but this is their political arm in action playing damage control.

Sent from my phone using Tapatalk (so spelling be damned!!!)

[Simply Red]

They need to look at some of the breakdowns Aspengc8 has shown us, then get back to us.

I do agree w/ his take on Conley

[carcosa]

ACTUALLY THE CHIEFS ARE GOOD!!!!!!!

[RaidersOftheCellar]

64% apparently believe that either the Chiefs were bad last year or that Sean Smith made them good.

[carcosa]

6-2 and I still can't tell

[Danguardace]

6-2 and I still can't tell

I feel flat after today, I would be happy with 4 more wins and a Wild Card.

Hopefully better luck with Injuries next week.

[KChiefs1]

You are what your record says you are....

6-2 on top of the AFC West.


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[Bowser]

They are a team with a good record

[splatbass]

Today they were bad, but otherwise no, they are 6-2 and will compete for the playoffs. We just need to get healthy,

[Best22]

The raiders win close game after close game and everyone says they're back. Meanwhile the Chiefs have one close game missing our starting QB, RB, Maclin, and then Kelce and all the sudden we suk?

[farmerchief]

When several of your key offensive players don't play because of injuries, and your other remaining key offensive weapon gets himself thrown out of the game before the 4th quarter!:cuss:

[splatbass]

The raiders win close game after close game and everyone says they're back. Meanwhile the Chiefs have one close game missing our starting QB, RB, Maclin, and then Kelce and all the sudden we suk?

Exactly. I think a lot of them are just butt hurt that their savior Foles looked like shit.

[oaklandhater]

The raiders win close game after close game and everyone says they're back. Meanwhile the Chiefs have one close game missing our starting QB, RB, Maclin, and then Kelce and all the sudden we suk?

Our offense has gave us very little to be excited about

[splatbass]

Our offense has gave us very little to be excited about

Half our starting offense wasn't on the field, so WTF is your point?

Your boy Foles looked like shit. There is not a shred of doubt now that Alex Smith is the better QB.

[FloridaMan88]

I think people should look at the positive... the Chiefs being 6-2, rather than how they have gotten to 6-2 which certainly hasn't been pretty at times.

Looking around the AFC at this point who exactly is looking great besides the Patriots?

[Mr. Laz]

I think people should look at the positive... the Chiefs being 6-2, rather than how they have gotten to 6-2 which certainly hasn't been pretty at times.

Looking around the AFC at this point who exactly is looking great besides the Patriots?
While certainly true you have to look at the team that is doing it. Chiefs have a habit of turning to shit at the end of the year. It appears that we are being setup to do the same this year. If we had a history of stepping up in the postseason i doubt people would be as paranoid or negative about this year.

[carcosa]

Guys I think they might be bad

[Bowser]

They're pretty fucking awful today, that's for sure.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

Yep

[eDave]

How are they even 7-3? They are a bunch of twats. Total twats. All of them. This is who we are.

[Discuss Thrower]

They'll win one more divisional game and two others but that'll be it.

10-6 probably going on the road to Pittsburgh where they'll lose in the wild card.

[Pointer19]

Can I change my vote?

[NWTF]

Can I change my vote?

I wouldnt change it.

The Chiefs were simply built to beat the Patriots, not the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

[eDave]

I wouldnt change it.

The Chiefs were simply built to beat the Patriots, not the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

ROFL