Numbers show Alex Smith's game is headed the wrong way

[oaklandhater]

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/19217/numbers-show-alex-smiths-game-is-headed-the-wrong-way

Adam Teicher

Numbers show Alex Smith's game is headed the wrong way

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs headed into this season thinking it would be the best yet for quarterback Alex Smith, but it isn’t turning out that way. Many of Smith’s key statistics are down from last season, including yards per attempt (7.4 last year to 6.9), touchdown percentage (4.3 to 3), passer rating (95.4 to 91.2) and rushing (31 yards per game to 6).

Throw in the Chiefs’ scoring struggles -- they have two or fewer offensive touchdowns in six of the eight full games in which Smith has played this season -- and it’s easy to conclude Smith’s game has regressed this season.

Coach Andy Reid isn’t concluding that, at least not publicly.

“I think Alex is OK,’’ Reid said. “He’s going to be fine. We’ve just got to keep going here. He does a great job with leadership and all of those things. He’ll be fine. We’ve had a couple of weeks here when we’ve been in a little bit of a slump and we’ve got to pull out of it and get better. That’s all of us.’’
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To say the Chiefs are in a slump offensively is to ignore what happened early in the season. The Chiefs have been out of sorts offensively most of the season. They had a breakout in the second half of the season-opening win over the San Diego Chargers, in a mid-October game against the Oakland Raiders and also late last month in Indianapolis, where much of the good quarterbacking the Chiefs received that day came from backup Nick Foles.

Otherwise, the Chiefs have been struggling on offense. That includes a Nov. 6 game against the Jacksonville Jaguars in which Foles played in place of Smith, who was suspected of having a concussion. The Chiefs scored just one touchdown that day.

Smith’s struggles have showed up most noticeably when they hurt the most: on third down and inside the opponent’s 20-yard line. Smith is the NFL’s 26th-rated passer on third down. The Chiefs are 31st at scoring touchdowns from the red zone. They’ve had three games where they’ve kicked four field goals, including the one against the Jaguars in which Foles played.

“I think those things only become more magnified, I guess,’’ Smith said. “I think they become more important as the games get bigger and bigger. No question. Yeah, they’re huge. That’s something that we do put a lot of focus on (and) we work hard at.’’

That work isn’t paying off for the Chiefs and Smith. That’s why, even if Reid feels the numbers don’t tell the complete story for Smith, what the Chiefs are getting from their quarterback isn’t enough.

[The Franchise]

He just wins. And when he doesn't win...his QBR is better than the other QB. / BlackBob

[oaklandhater]

He just wins. And when he doesn't win...his QBR is better than the other QB. / BlackBob

The fact that our best was with Foles in indy speaks volumes about how overpaid smith is right now there is a legit argument to start Foles over smith.

And I say that thinking both of em suck.

[RunKC]

another thread by oaklandhater about the same damn topic of his last 10 threads.

[Hydrae]

another thread by oaklandhater about the same damn topic of his last 10 threads.

I will give him credit though, this is a linked article not just more bitching to be bitching.

[Cannibal]

Smith’s struggles have showed up most noticeably when they hurt the most: on third down and inside the opponent’s 20-yard line. Smith is the NFL’s 26th-rated passer on third down. The Chiefs are 31st at scoring touchdowns from the red zone.

The above makes the Chiefs offense unwatchable.

[oaklandhater]

another thread by oaklandhater about the same damn topic of his last 10 threads.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=303836

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[oaklandhater]

I will give him credit though, this is a linked article not just more bitching to be bitching.

I actually rarely start threads any bitching I was doing on our offense was in most homer threads

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I was reality dropping some truth bombs

[Easy 6]

Mellinger was way ahead of Teicher with his Monday article, he laid the case out clear as day... Smith has regressed, and there is no other way to put it

4th year in the system
Best O line he has had
An exciting new weapon in Hill
And all of the other solid skill guys we have

Yet Smiths numbers are among the worst he has had with us, theres no excuse for it

[Bowser]

WATCH OUT TIGERBOB INCOMING INTO THE THREAD

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[KCUnited]

That's my quarterback! /sobbing colquitt

[Cannibal]

Be nice if he'd at least scramble to convert 3rd downs and save drives like he did last year.

[KCTitus]

...The Chiefs are 31st at scoring touchdowns from the red zone...

:facepalm:

OMG...

[oaklandhater]

WATCH OUT TIGERBOB INCOMING INTO THE THREAD

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Pretty much how I look at Tiger

[TripleThreat]

What a surprise, here is OaklandHater, with yet another alex smith hating thread..

Dudes got a man-crush on alex smith or some shit

[oaklandhater]

What a surprise, here is OaklandHater, with yet another alex smith hating thread..

Dudes got a man-crush on alex smith or some shit

I hate the entire offense not just Alex but that's cool every one who want's to toss out insults at me instead of reading the article.

[The Franchise]

ACL! ACL! ACL!

[dls6501]

The article fails to acknowledge how well Alex sets up our punter.

He has to be top 5 in that category, maybe higher

[oaklandhater]

For every one being a d-bag to me this is shit we should have been talking about when we were winning.

[TripleThreat]

I hate the entire offense not just Alex but that's cool every one who want's to toss out insults at me instead of reading the article.

Look at Green Bay, Is Aaron Rodger's game headed in the wrong direction? First 5 games or so, I believe our offense was out-performing theirs, so where were your articles for rodgers during that streak of sh*tty performances.

Articles like this are just bull sh*t and very skewed in one direction. You post these articles and say, look look, all the alex smith ball-washers cant even look because its the truth and cant hear the truth, however if someone on CP posts a Pro-alex smith article or stat, you instead become a hypocritical little b*tch.. You post the exact same sh*t a pro-alex smith poster posts as a OP, and respond just like a alex-smith ball washer would, only difference is, you are on the opposite side of the argument, however you are acting on the exact same principles and scenario's which makes you hypocritical.

[oaklandhater]

Look at Green Bay, Is Aaron Rodger's game headed in the wrong direction? First 5 games or so, I believe our offense was out-performing theirs, so where were your articles for rodgers during that streak of sh*tty performances.

Articles like this are just bull sh*t and very skewed in one direction. You post these articles and say, look look, all the alex smith ball-washers cant even look because its the truth and cant hear the truth, however if someone on CP posts a Pro-alex smith article or stat, you instead become a hypocritical little b*tch.. You post the exact same sh*t a pro-alex smith poster posts as a OP, and respond just like a alex-smith ball washer would, only difference is, you are on the opposite side of the argument, however you are acting on the exact same principles and scenario's which makes you hypocritical.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/packers-have-3-problems-and-aaron-rodgers-isnt-one-of-them/

If you think Rodgers is why they are losing you're a moron.

I've been bitching about the entire offense all season and the pro Alex ballwashers Defense is winning

When your argument sounds like this guy
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You're an a-hole

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Can we stop beating this dead horse yet?

This isn't breaking news. No one is missing the offense or Alex's poor play. But talking about it for days and days after the fact is not going to change a thing.

I for one will be rooting for them to get things turned around and play the style of football we have seen plenty of times before since 2013. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but I can't hardly stand another post about Smith and the offensive woes which everyone already acknowledges.

[TripleThreat]

Im an A-hole because you are a hypocrite when it comes to being able to discuss AlexSmith? If i gave you a negative alex smith take on the guy, you would eat that sh*t up. If i gave you a pro-alex smith stance, you would neglect it. Im calling you a hypocrite because thats what you are being, a hypocrite. You only talk about one side of the argument and preach that one side but fail to acknowledge the other side... Ill leave you with your qoute from page one that reflects your hypocritical stance.


"People dont want to hear the truth because they dont want their illusions destroyed"

[oaklandhater]

Im an A-hole because you are a hypocrite when it comes to being able to discuss AlexSmith? If i gave you a negative alex smith take on the guy, you would eat that sh*t up. If i gave you a pro-alex smith stance, you would neglect it. Im calling you a hypocrite because thats what you are being, a hypocrite. You only talk about one side of the argument and preach that one side but fail to acknowledge the other side... Ill leave you with your qoute from page one that reflects your hypocritical stance.


"People dont want to hear the truth because they dont want their illusions destroyed"


What pro stance can be made on alex this year other then winning ?

[KCTitus]

The article fails to acknowledge how well Alex sets up our punter.

He has to be top 5 in that category, maybe higher

Such an 'anti-alex' stance..now, if you mentioned how well he set up the FG kicker, that would be a 'pro-alex' stance and you'd be right!

[stevieray]

"I'm going to reel it in"

:rolleyes:

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The truth is that this offense will get on track the day that Reid decides to commit back to the run game, and when they let Alex (or he lets himself) run again.

Heard a radio bit today where they asked Herm Edwards why there was a lack of running from Smith and he thought they were simply trying to cut back on the risk of him running it. Well, that's gotta go out the f**king window, now. If it does, we all may see the change we want to see in the offense.

[Dartgod]

Can we stop beating this dead horse yet?

This isn't breaking news. No one is missing the offense or Alex's poor play. But talking about it for days and days after the fact is not going to change a thing.

I for one will be rooting for them to get things turned around and play the style of football we have seen plenty of times before since 2013. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but I can't hardly stand another post about Smith and the offensive woes which everyone already acknowledges.

BLIND HOMER!!

[oaklandhater]

"I'm going to reel it in"

:rolleyes:

This is reeled in I've yet to insult any one personally right now I'm taking a relax stance to our offense it suck's if you want to think we can still win with it then who am I too mess with your bliss.

You can not read any of theses articles

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[pugsnotdrugs19]

BLIND HOMER!!

Surely this is sarcasm?... Lol

[Bwana]

You are a fucking nag.

[Dartgod]

Surely this is sarcasm?... Lol
From me, yes. But I've been called the same for a similar post.

[oaklandhater]

You are a ****ing nag.

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I post cause I care :)

[Chiefnj2]

We aren't having this discussion if KC's defensive backs hang onto a couple of INTs and return them 90 yards for touchdowns once or twice a game.

[jspchief]

You are a fucking nag.
He didn't write the article.

[Bwana]

He didn't write the article.

Really? :hmmm:

[ModSocks]

I don't understand the people who want to brush this off and not talk about it.

This is a forum for discussing football. Alex Smith is the biggest limitation to this team right now. Our inability to move the football is the what's holding this team back, largely due to ineffective QB play. Even when Alex is effective, he's inconsistent (last Sunday for example).

IT'S THE ONLY THING WORTH DISCUSSING.

Unless you want everyone to be in full on dick slobber mode, Alex Smith and this ineffective offense is the only real talking point we have.

It is the single biggest problem. Why in the fuck would we not have multiple threads of discussion on it?

[dls6501]

Such an 'anti-alex' stance..now, if you mentioned how well he set up the FG kicker, that would be a 'pro-alex' stance and you'd be right!

This stance was created by an Alex stan. So no, you are 100% wrong.

[oaklandhater]

We aren't having this discussion if KC's defensive backs hang onto a couple of INTs and return them 90 yards for touchdowns once or twice a game.

I for one am tired of having the defense bail out the offense every week the faster the turnover stat dries up the better for the chiefs.

The coaching staff/fans can now see the real issues the chiefs have had all season.

[jspchief]

I don't understand the people who want to brush this off and not talk about it.

This is a forum for discussing football. Alex Smith is the biggest limitation to this team right now. Our inability to move the football is the what's holding this team back, largely due to ineffective QB play. Even when Alex is effective, he's inconsistent (last Sunday for example).

IT'S THE ONLY THING WORTH DISCUSSING.

Unless you want everyone to be in full on dick slobber mode, Alex Smith and this ineffective offense is the only real talking point we have.

It is the single biggest problem. Why in the fuck would we not have multiple threads of discussion on it?
Just post facebook jokes and recipes or stfu, nag.

[ModSocks]

We aren't having this discussion if KC's defensive backs hang onto a couple of INTs and return them 90 yards for touchdowns once or twice a game.

Yes. Yes we are.

We've been having this discussion DESPITE heroic efforts from the defense week in and week out.

The injuries finally caught up to the Defense on Sunday, and yes, they were brutalized and picked apart.

Despite all that, the defense STILL kept the score low enough for any competent offense to pull out a victory.

We finally had a game this season where we really needed the offense, and they fell flat on their face.

[oaklandhater]

I don't understand the people who want to brush this off and not talk about it.

This is a forum for discussing football. Alex Smith is the biggest limitation to this team right now. Our inability to move the football is the what's holding this team back, largely due to ineffective QB play. Even when Alex is effective, he's inconsistent (last Sunday for example).

IT'S THE ONLY THING WORTH DISCUSSING.

Unless you want everyone to be in full on dick slobber mode, Alex Smith and this ineffective offense is the only real talking point we have.

It is the single biggest problem. Why in the **** would we not have multiple threads of discussion on it?


This we talked about this shit all the time during the vermeil era/Herm era

And even more so during the dark day's of scott pioli

When the hell did every one want to live in a lie ?

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

WATCH OUT TIGERBOB INCOMING INTO THE THREAD

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You beat me to it!

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Can we stop beating this dead horse yet?

This isn't breaking news. No one is missing the offense or Alex's poor play. But talking about it for days and days after the fact is not going to change a thing.

I for one will be rooting for them to get things turned around and play the style of football we have seen plenty of times before since 2013. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but I can't hardly stand another post about Smith and the offensive woes which everyone already acknowledges.

OP needs thread starting privileges revoked. Unless this is one of the admins screwing with us...

[Bwana]

I don't understand the people who want to brush this off and not talk about it.

This is a forum for discussing football. Alex Smith is the biggest limitation to this team right now. Our inability to move the football is the what's holding this team back, largely due to ineffective QB play. Even when Alex is effective, he's inconsistent (last Sunday for example).

IT'S THE ONLY THING WORTH DISCUSSING.

Unless you want everyone to be in full on dick slobber mode, Alex Smith and this ineffective offense is the only real talking point we have.

It is the single biggest problem. Why in the **** would we not have multiple threads of discussion on it?

I think most of us get it, we kind of suck and even if we manage to slump our way into the playoffs it won't end well. Smith has been sucking it up, the run D is leaking like a frozen pipe and Andy Reid could make better play calling decisions by flipping a coin. What did I leave out?

[oaklandhater]

I think most of us get it, we kind of suck and even if we manage to slump our way into the playoffs it won't end well. Smith has been sucking it up, the run D is leaking like a frozen pipe and Andy Reid could make play calling decisions by flipping a coin. What did I leave out?

Except most of the people on here don't get it I was a social pariah for bringing up these issues when we were winning

Now that we are losing people still don't want to read it.

When can we post articles that are critical of the chiefs ?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I don't understand the people who want to brush this off and not talk about it.

This is a forum for discussing football. Alex Smith is the biggest limitation to this team right now. Our inability to move the football is the what's holding this team back, largely due to ineffective QB play. Even when Alex is effective, he's inconsistent (last Sunday for example).

IT'S THE ONLY THING WORTH DISCUSSING.

Unless you want everyone to be in full on dick slobber mode, Alex Smith and this ineffective offense is the only real talking point we have.

It is the single biggest problem. Why in the **** would we not have multiple threads of discussion on it?

Because what more needs said about it? It's Tuesday. It wouldn't matter if we won by 30, or lost in this case, by now I would much rather talk about the upcoming game(s). We have our biggest game of the year thus far coming Sunday night against the Broncos and all people want to do is beat this horse to death about the team's flaws. Every team has flaws. Denver. Oakland. KC.

Week 11 of last year the eventual Super Bowl Champions got their asses smoked by us, and their QBs combined for 5 INTs. Things didn't look too bright for em. But they moved on and got better. Shit happens.

[Coochie liquor]

The Chiefs offense has scored less points than the Browns offense this season.

[The Franchise]

Like moth to a flame...

Like a dick to the back of Bob's throat....

Tiger has arrived.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Because what more needs said about it? It's Tuesday. It wouldn't matter if we won by 30, or lost in this case, by now I would much rather talk about the upcoming game(s). We have our biggest game of the year thus far coming Sunday night against the Broncos and all people want to do is beat this horse to death about the team's flaws. Every team has flaws. Denver. Oakland. KC.

Week 11 of last year the eventual Super Bowl Champions got their asses smoked by us, and their QBs combined for 5 INTs. Things didn't look too bright for em. But they moved on and got better. Shit happens.

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[Cannibal]

The Chiefs offense has scored less points than the Browns offense this season.

So pathetic. The offense has been mediocre at best since Reid got here.

[The Franchise]

Because what more needs said about it? It's Tuesday. It wouldn't matter if we won by 30, or lost in this case, by now I would much rather talk about the upcoming game(s). We have our biggest game of the year thus far coming Sunday night against the Broncos and all people want to do is beat this horse to death about the team's flaws. Every team has flaws. Denver. Oakland. KC.

Week 11 of last year the eventual Super Bowl Champions got their asses smoked by us, and their QBs combined for 5 INTs. Things didn't look too bright for em. But they moved on and got better. Shit happens.

One week does not compare to a seasons worth of offensive pants shitting.

[oaklandhater]

Because what more needs said about it? It's Tuesday. It wouldn't matter if we won by 30, or lost in this case, by now I would much rather talk about the upcoming game(s). We have our biggest game of the year thus far coming Sunday night against the Broncos and all people want to do is beat this horse to death about the team's flaws. Every team has flaws. Denver. Oakland. KC.

Week 11 of last year the eventual Super Bowl Champions got their asses smoked by us, and their QBs combined for 5 INTs. Things didn't look too bright for em. But they moved on and got better. Shit happens.

The patriots dropped a big game vs us but they were still balanced.

This team has shown no sign of recovery on offense this year what so ever.

[oaklandhater]

So pathetic. The offense has been mediocre at best since Reid got here.

It's been Hindenburg since Charles went down on the offensive side of the ball.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

One week does not compare to a seasons worth of offensive pants shitting.

Yeah, Denver's offense was just a world beater last year...

Our defense isn't on that level either, I get it (even though its far from healthy). But this is just tiresome stuff to read.

[oaklandhater]

OP needs thread starting privileges revoked. Unless this is one of the admins screwing with us...

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[The Franchise]

Yeah, Denver's offense was just a world beater last year...

Our defense isn't on that level either, I get it (even though its far from healthy). But this is just tiresome stuff to read.

Then don't fucking read it.

[oaklandhater]

Yeah, Denver's offense was just a world beater last year...

Our defense isn't on that level either, I get it (even though its far from healthy). But this is just tiresome stuff to read.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/year/2015

Den was 16 last year I really wish people would stop bringing up the Broncos offense it was light years ahead of ours last year

We were 27th last year and 25th this year

[kcxiv]

He just wins. And when he doesn't win...his QBR is better than the other QB. / BlackBob

he's ****ing searching the internets to figure out how he can spin alex smiths numbers in his favor. haha

Plain and simple Alex Smith=fools gold

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Then don't ****ing read it.

ROFL

If actual NFL teams had the mental approach of most of this forum, they'd be 2-14 at best. The negativity and inability to move forward is incredible in the worst way.

[Bwana]

Except most of the people on here don't get it I was a social pariah for bringing up these issues when we were winning

Now that we are losing people still don't want to read it.

When can we post articles that are critical of the chiefs ?

No I'm pretty sure most people on here do get it. There are a couple of loud ones that don't get it, but don't let that fool you, most of us get it.

[oaklandhater]

ROFL

If actual NFL teams had the mental approach of most of this forum, they'd be 2-14 at best. The negativity and inability to move forward is incredible in the worst way.

People refuse to read about our offense when we were winning and still don't want to read it now

When would you like to see Stats that won't hurt your feelings about how trash our offense is ?

[Otter]

I'll be honest. If Smith comes out and stinks it up against Denver I'm firmly on the Foles wagon. That pass to Ware with 8 seconds left in the Tampa Bay game was an abortion.</br></br> If he doesn't step it up for a Thanksgiving Day nationally televised game against an AFC West rival he deserves to be benched. You can only hold the unit back for so long and he's been nothing but a liability. Defenses come in knowing they only have to contain 10 yards vertically. I like ya bud, but it's shit or get off the pot time Alex.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/year/2015

Den was 16 last year I really wish people would stop bringing up the Broncos offense it was light years ahead of ours last year

We were 27th last year and 25th this year

They were 19th in points per game even with their all-world defense.

I really wish people would stop using yards as the main offensive statistic, the Chargers were 1st in the NFL in total offense AND defense in 2010 and missed the playoffs.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

People refuse to read about our offense when we were winning and still don't want to read it now

When would you like to see Stats that won't hurt your feelings about how trash our offense is ?

NO ONE IS SAYING THE OFFENSE ISN'T 'TRASH'.

But how many times do you need to say it for it to set in? To be fulfilled?

[oaklandhater]

No I'm pretty sure most people on here do get it. There are a couple of loud ones that don't get it, but don't let that fool you, most of us get it.

How many agreed with me leading up to the bucs game ?

Cause they sure has hell weren't posting

Dag milk rush and notorious were the only ones saying shit about the offense.

[oaklandhater]

NO ONE IS SAYING THE OFFENSE ISN'T 'TRASH'.

But how many times do you need to say it for it to set in? To be fulfilled?

There were droves of people defending the offense prior to the bucs game.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

I'll be honest. If Smith comes out and stinks it up against Denver I'm firmly on the Foles wagon. That pass to Ware with 8 seconds left in the Tampa Bay game was an abortion.</br></br> If he doesn't step it up for a Thanksgiving Day nationally televised game against an AFC West rival he deserves to be benched. You can only hold the unit back for so long and he's been nothing but a liability. Defenses come in knowing they only have to contain 10 yards vertically. I like ya bud, but it's shit or get off the pot time Alex.

TBH, even the Smith supporters aren't expecting him to play lights out against Denver. #1 ranked pass defense with Talib returning. This battle will have to be won in the trenches...

9 TD's to 11 INTs
Average opponent QB rating: 71
Yards passing allowed / game: 194

Compared to our pass defense that has given up 17 TD's and 253 yards/game

[Otter]

How many agreed with me leading up to the bucs game ?

Cause they sure has hell weren't posting

Dag milk rush and notorious were the only ones saying shit about the offense. I haven't been impressed with Alex at all this year. Again, I think Thursday is shit or get off the pot time for him. I just know what I write on this board doesn't mean shit and don't enjoy beating dead horses over and over.</br></br>Beating dead bunnies while dressed up like raggedy and being spanked by liquored up, violent, Asian Siamese Twins. Well, that habit is going to send me to the poor house.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

There were droves of people defending the offense prior to the bucs game.

I've stated my stance over the last couple days on the topic:

Reid needs to get the offense rolling running the football. 'Ware' teams out. Alex needs to use his legs more too. Let Alex do what he does best and manage the game. Don't ask him to be Brady or Brees. Run, run, run, throw to one of his many weapons. Repeat.

Then draft a QB this upcoming year or sign a better one. It's time.

But until then, let's beat the f**king Donkeys.

[Otter]

TBH, even the Smith supporters aren't expecting him to play lights out against Denver. #1 ranked pass defense with Talib returning. This battle will have to be won in the trenches...

9 TD's to 11 INTs
Average opponent QB rating: 71
Yards passing allowed / game: 194

Compared to our pass defense that has given up 17 TD's and 253 yards/game Then maybe he's not the guy for the job anymore.

[Bwana]

I'll be honest. If Smith comes out and stinks it up against Denver I'm firmly on the Foles wagon. That pass to Ware with 8 seconds left in the Tampa Bay game was an abortion.

If he doesn't step it up for a Thanksgiving Day nationally televised game against an AFC West rival he deserves to be benched. You can only hold the unit back for so long and he's been nothing but a liability. Defenses come in knowing they only have to contain 10 yards vertically. I like ya bud, but it's shit or get off the pot time Alex.

Yeah that's about where I'm at. He has definitely regressed from where he was at in the final games last year. If you look at his body language the guy kind of walks around in a slump and looks down a lot. He looks like he has lost all his confidence. Neither here nor there, but not redeeming quality's I want in a QB.

[Cannibal]

Yeah that's about where I'm at. He has definitely regressed from where he was at in the final games last year. If you look at his body language the guy kind of walks around in a slump and looks down a lot. He looks like he has lost all his confidence. Neither here nor there, but not redeeming quality's I want in a QB.

Only way he gets benched is if he gets injured. I don't wish that on him though.

[oaklandhater]

Yeah that's about where I'm at. He has definitely regressed from where he was at in the final games last year. If you look at his body language the guy kind of walks around in a slump and looks down a lot. He looks like he has lost all his confidence. Neither here nor there, but not redeeming quality's I want in a QB.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/220768/alex-smith-says-injury-scare-will-make-him-change-his-ways

I think this has something to do with it he looks scared out there ever since he went down he refuses to use his legs.

[oaklandhater]

Only way he gets benched is if he gets injured. I don't wish that on him though.

I don't wish he gets injured but I do hope he seriously thinks about retiring at the end of the year he looks like he has lost all passion for the game.

[The Franchise]

TBH, even the Smith supporters aren't expecting him to play lights out against Denver. #1 ranked pass defense with Talib returning. This battle will have to be won in the trenches...

9 TD's to 11 INTs
Average opponent QB rating: 71
Yards passing allowed / game: 194

Compared to our pass defense that has given up 17 TD's and 253 yards/game

What was his excuse against the Saints? How about the Panthers?

[RunKC]

There were droves of people defending the offense prior to the bucs game.

Besides Blackbob and the SF Alex fans...who?

[Otter]

Yeah that's about where I'm at. He has definitely regressed from where he was at in the final games last year. If you look at his body language the guy kind of walks around in a slump and looks down a lot. He looks like he has lost all his confidence. Neither here nor there, but not redeeming quality's I want in a QB. Which is weird because professionally he should be nailing it. He's 32, that's not old for a veteran QB and he's been pretty lucky with injuries throughout his career and coming off a season where he led a team to it's 1st playoff victory since...forever? Don't feel like looking it up.</br></br>Erectile dysfunction? Dog got put down? Wife not putting out?</br></br> Who the fuck knows but you make around 14 million a year to keep in shape and play the most popular sport in the USA. Show up on Thursday or go get your shine box. Buy some Viagra, get a new puppy, or go find an 21 year old stripper to get your rocks off but do something.

[scho63]

Numbers show Alex Smith's game is headed the wrong way

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs headed into this season thinking it would be the best yet for quarterback Alex Smith, but it isn’t turning out that way. Many of Smith’s key statistics are down from last season, including yards per attempt (7.4 last year to 6.9), touchdown percentage (4.3 to 3), passer rating (95.4 to 91.2) and rushing (31 yards per game to 6).


People are going to begin hating me for sounding like a broken record but this is about the 6th time I've brought this up in the last few weeks.

He's not helping us one iota on getting third down conversions with his legs like last year.

How many times on 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 8 he made a break for it and picked up a first down? Last year a hell of a lot. This year I'm struggling to remember ONCE!

This is a HUGE overlooked stat that has hurt us badly.

[Cannibal]

I don't wish he gets injured but I do hope he seriously thinks about retiring at the end of the year he looks like he has lost all passion for the game.

He's in his prime years for a QB, so physically he could play quite a bit longer, I agree he'll only retire if he's lost the passion. I hope he calls it at the end of the year as well.

[oaklandhater]

Besides Blackbob and the SF Alex fans...who?

Bass and Trivers are two names that come to mind.

[Bwana]

Only way he gets benched is if he gets injured. I don't wish that on him though.

Yeah I get that. I was hoping Foles would step it up when he had his chance and really shine, but he sucked it up worse than Smith. I wish just once this team would step up and draft a QB with a high round draft pick. I mean throw on your big boy pants and roll the dice, because what we have been doing for the last several years in the QB department hasn't exactly been working out well.

[oaklandhater]

Yeah I get that. I was hoping Foles would step it up when he had his chance and really shine, but he sucked it up worse than Smith. I wish just once this team would step up and draft a QB with a high round draft pick. I mean throw on your big boy pants and roll the dice, because what we have been doing for the last several years in the QB department hasn't exactly been working out well.

in Foles defense the jags are no slouch on defense I doubt alex would have done much better and he has had all year to start that was foles 2nd game.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000744325/article/rex-ryan-jaguars-are-best-2win-team-ive-ever-seen

[The Franchise]

I don't wish he gets injured but I do hope he seriously thinks about retiring at the end of the year he looks like he has lost all passion for the game.

I do.

[Cannibal]

I do.

In practice this week?

[oaklandhater]

I do.

Careful Clay got banned for saying the same shit from dole.

[Bwana]

in Foles defense the jags are no slouch on defense I doubt alex would have done much better and he has had all year to start that was foles 2nd game.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000744325/article/rex-ryan-jaguars-are-best-2win-team-ive-ever-seen

Foles is not the long term solution.

[KC_Lee]

Foles is not the long term solution.

Since when has a long term solution at QB ever been a thought at 1 Arrowhead Drive?

[The Franchise]

Foles is not the long term solution.

Doesn't matter. Alex has shown that he's not the solution for right now. Give Foles the rest of the season and then go from there.

[oaklandhater]

Foles is not the long term solution.

I 100% agree but I would say there is case to be made he might be better then smith this season Foles indy game was the best the offense did all year.

Foles is like Orton not a long term Solution but better then the bandaid we are using (SMITH)

[Rasputin]

It's been Hindenburg since Charles went down on the offensive side of the ball.

I'm not buying this statement if Andy Reid would learn to run the ball with Ware and West. That's what this offense should be doing and then play action because of it working. This isn't rocket science this is football and Andy Reid is too stubborn to change his coaching philosophy that you must be a passing offense. This falls on Andy Reid trying make Alex Smith something he is not a pass happy quarterback. He is not that he is a game manager that had his best games handing off the ball to the likes of Frank Gore. Handing the ball off to Spencer Ware is what we need to do and set up the play action.

Andy Reid needs to quit being so damned cute with fake end a rounds and trickery that simply isn't getting the job done. They need to play strait forward football. We had success last year after Charles went down so him being on the sideline is no excuse this year.

[Rasputin]

People are going to begin hating me for sounding like a broken record but this is about the 6th time I've brought this up in the last few weeks.

He's not helping us one iota on getting third down conversions with his legs like last year.

How many times on 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 8 he made a break for it and picked up a first down? Last year a hell of a lot. This year I'm struggling to remember ONCE!

This is a HUGE overlooked stat that has hurt us badly.


I remember the once he did was against the Colts and he got his head bounce off the turf like a superball. I really think Alex still has a concussion but passes protocol but I also think he is playing fear and is just afraid. He didn't get sacked once against the Bucks not because of a great line but because he gets rid of it in a hurry not letting the WR get open or extending the play with his feet he just gets rid of the ball as quickly as he can set his feet.

[Cannibal]

I'm not buying this statement if Andy Reid would learn to run the ball with Ware and West. That's what this offense should be doing and then play action because of it working. This isn't rocket science this is football and Andy Reid is too stubborn to change his coaching philosophy that you must be a passing offense. This falls on Andy Reid trying make Alex Smith something he is not a pass happy quarterback. He is not that he is a game manager that had his best games handing off the ball to the likes of Frank Gore. Handing the ball off to Spencer Ware is what we need to do and set up the play action.

Andy Reid needs to quit being so damned cute with fake end a rounds and trickery that simply isn't getting the job done. They need to play strait forward football. We had success last year after Charles went down so him being on the sideline is no excuse this year.

Need smash mouth football with more running plays involving the blocking FB. Seems like many of our big runs this year had Sherman in there blocking.

[Rasputin]

Need smash mouth football with more running plays involving the blocking FB. Seems like many of our big runs this year had Sherman in there blocking.

Yes I think so but instead we get a 3rd and two draw play that goes for a yard loss because the defense smells it out.

Give Spencer Ware the blocking with Sherman and that could have been a first down but we failed to convert because stupid play call.

I fucking hate the draw play out of the shotgun. Just how often does it work? Yeah once in a while but not when the defense knows you just need two freaking fucking yards for a first down.

[Cannibal]

I ****ing hate the draw play out of the shotgun. Just how often does it work? Yeah once in a while but not when the defense knows you just need two freaking ****ing yards for a first down.

Dude, I'm so with you on that.

It's a finesse play.

We're a finesse offense and I'm not a fan of that brand of football, especially when we're bad at it.

[ptlyon]

Dude, I'm so with you on that.

It's a finesse play.

We're a finesse offense and I'm not a fan of that brand of football, especially when we're bad at it.

I'd like to finesse it into the endzone every once in a while

[Cannibal]

I'd like to finesse it into the endzone every once in a while

Be nice. But I'd rather smash the ball down their throat from the 10 yard line and in.

[Simply Red]

Oh well, It's only a game.

[scho63]

I remember the once he did was against the Colts and he got his head bounce off the turf like a superball. I really think Alex still has a concussion but passes protocol but I also think he is playing fear and is just afraid. He didn't get sacked once against the Bucks not because of a great line but because he gets rid of it in a hurry not letting the WR get open or extending the play with his feet he just gets rid of the ball as quickly as he can set his feet.

Doesn't everyone's head bounce off the Colt's turf? :hmmm:

[oaklandhater]

Be nice. But I'd rather smash the ball down their throat from the 10 yard line and in.

No reason we shouldn't run a similar game plan of the raiders broncos game just punch it up the middle all game.

[notorious]

Smith’s struggles have showed up most noticeably when they hurt the most: on third down and inside the opponent’s 20-yard line. Smith is the NFL’s 26th-rated passer on third down. The Chiefs are 31st at scoring touchdowns from the red zone. They’ve had three games where they’ve kicked four field goals,


It's the defense's fault.

[oaklandhater]

Oh well, It's only a game.

You are joe cool red

http://i65.tinypic.com/2s157d3.jpg

[stumppy]

Foles is not the long term solution.

You sure about that ? How good is he at setting up the punt ?

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

When we start winning the idiot trolls without a job will go back to watching The people's court.

[oaklandhater]

When we start winning the idiot trolls without a job will go back to watching The people's court.

How you go unbanned blows my mind.

[notorious]

How you manage to breathe blows my mind.

fixed

[oaklandhater]

fixed

LMAO

Dude bitches about trolls then goes on the forums and say's troll baiting shit to every one he has a disagreement with.

[stumppy]

When we start winning the idiot trolls without a job will go back to watching The people's court.

Anyone seen an Amber Alert for a village missing it's idiot ?

[notorious]

Anyone seen an Amber Alert for a village missing it's idiot ?

I wouldn't say they are "missing" him.

[stumppy]

LMAO

Dude bitches about trolls then goes on the forums and say's troll baiting shit to every one he has a disagreement with.

He keeps popping into the A.Smith thread he started and posting how many views it's had.. He's a Trolldiot.

[oaklandhater]

I wouldn't say they are "missing" him.

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Notorious with the zingers

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Remember how Oak had a massive meltdown on Sunday? Classic.

[stumppy]

I wouldn't say they are "missing" him.

The conversation would probably go like this " Hello ?....uh...no, no officer we sure didn't realize he'd been left behind at the bus station. Huh ? Know, no idea how he got his hands on a one way ticket to Mexico."

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

He keeps popping into the A.Smith thread he started and posting how many views it's had.. He's a Trolldiot.

Coming from the dummy who ditched the team last season 6 games into the year. Now s(he) wants to ditch the team 10 games into the season when we are holding a playoff spot.

Fake fan.

[notorious]

The conversation would probably go like this " Hello ?....uh...no, no officer we sure didn't realize he'd been left behind at the bus station. Huh ? Know, no idea how he got his hands on a one way ticket to Mexico."


"He said he was going to go visit his uncle"

[oaklandhater]

Remember how Oak had a massive meltdown on Sunday? Classic.

Troll bait 101 this shit should get some one banned. it adds nothing to the thread other then trying to dig up drama.

[stumppy]

Coming from the dummy who ditched the team last season 6 games into the year. Now s(he) wants to ditch the team 10 games into the season when we are holding a playoff spot.

Fake fan.

ROFL
Do you just throw a bunch of shit aropund and see what might stick to the walls ? You must have me confused with someone else dipshit.

[oaklandhater]

They were 19th in points per game even with their all-world defense.

I really wish people would stop using yards as the main offensive statistic, the Chargers were 1st in the NFL in total offense AND defense in 2010 and missed the playoffs.

There is a reason norv got fired the 2010 chargers is has to go down has one of the biggest waste of talents in the nfl.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

ROFL
Do you just throw a bunch of shit aropund and see what might stick to the walls ? You must have me confused with someone else dipshit.

Pretty sure you were bragging about Smith's performance against the Raiders...

Flip flop much?

[The Franchise]

Like moth to a flame...

Like a dick to the back of Bob's throat....

Tiger has arrived.

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder68/500x/23266068.jpg

.

[Bwana]

Doesn't matter. Alex has shown that he's not the solution for right now. Give Foles the rest of the season and then go from there.

It's NOT going to help.

[oaklandhater]

It's NOT going to help.

Might make the games more entertaining Alex smith ball is about has fun as watching paint dry.

[The Franchise]

It's NOT going to help.

Really? You don't think that Foles can do what Smith did in the Bucs game? You don't think he could have played like Smith did against the Panthers?

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

It's NOT going to help.

He's posting for Clay. Just like yesterday when these guys were hoping Smith would go to IR with an injury/concussion.

Also, If I'm reading correctly, posting for a banned poster such as Clay's stuff from his twitter account is a violation of the TOS...super blatant.

[New World Order]

It's NOT going to help.


Could it hurt?

[Bwana]

Really? You don't think that Foles can do what Smith did in the Bucs game? You don't think he could have played like Smith did against the Panthers?

And that would help again how? One form of suck isn't better than another form of suck. Like I said earlier, this outfit needs to draft a QB rather that trying to rely on retreads.

[New World Order]

Tiger posts his crap rhetoric and then blocks everyone who disagrees.

That's the definition of a troll.

[The Franchise]

He's posting for Clay. Just like yesterday when these guys were hoping Smith would go to IR with an injury/concussion.

Also, If I'm reading correctly, posting for a banned poster such as Clay's stuff from his twitter account is a violation of the TOS...super blatant.

Prove it. Someone quote that for him since I'm on super ignore.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Quit posting for Clay, Pest. Your master will be back in 5 months.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Oak, you should post Alex Smith's playoff numbers for everyone to see. Total yards, TD's, INT's, Qb rating.

All of it .

[The Franchise]

Quit posting for Clay, Pest. Your master will be back in 5 months.

Quit sucking dick, Bob.

[The Franchise]

Oak, you should post Alex Smith's playoff numbers for everyone to see. Total yards, TD's, INT's, Qb rating.

All of it .

Can you post those trophies that he's won as well?

[SAUTO]

Such an 'anti-alex' stance..now, if you mentioned how well he set up the FG kicker, that would be a 'pro-alex' stance and you'd be right!

You obviously missed tigerbob saying that it's a positive how well Smith sets up the punter.

And when asked to clarify just to be sure that what he said, he said it another 100 times at least.


Does anyone doubt who it is anymore?

[SAUTO]

OP needs thread starting privileges revoked. Unless this is one of the admins screwing with us...

You have done the same shit for days.

[SAUTO]

When we start winning the idiot trolls without a job will go back to watching The people's court.

Link to those without a job? Link to the people's court thread?

Facts not fiction, Bob

[oaklandhater]

And that would help again how? One form of suck isn't better than another form of suck. Like I said earlier, this outfit needs to draft a QB rather that trying to rely on retreads.

Any QB your high on this year Bwana coming in to the draft ?

[oaklandhater]

Can you post those trophies that he's won as well?

There they are

[SAUTO]

Coming from the dummy who ditched the team last season 6 games into the year. Now s(he) wants to ditch the team 10 games into the season when we are holding a playoff spot.

Fake fan.

Link to anyone who actually ditched the team 6 games in last year?

Facts, not fiction.

[SAUTO]

Oak, you should post Alex Smith's playoff numbers for everyone to see. Total yards, TD's, INT's, Qb rating.

All of it .

You already did.

[oaklandhater]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03/gamelog/post/

Alex playoff stats in Houston and New england are nothing to write home about.

[Sandy Vagina]

Welp.. that was one boring thread to read through. Shocking!

Go Chiefs! Kick that ass next Sunday night, PLEASE. :thumb:

[stumppy]

Pretty sure you were bragging about Smith's performance against the Raiders...

Flip flop much?

ROFL Good gawd you're a fucking idiot.
So, what you're saying is it doesn't matter how well Alex Smith plays it's just a fact he always plays great. I got it now. It doesn't matter what happens on the field Alex Smith will always have you slobbering on the snotty end of his fuck stick.:thumb:

[oaklandhater]

Welp.. that was one boring thread to read through. Shocking!

Go Chiefs! Kick that ass next Sunday night, PLEASE. :thumb:

Thanks for bringing nothing of note.

[TEX]

Bottom line - year 4 - he should be MUCH better. Especially with better protection and more weapons. He's not.

[Bwana]

Any QB your high on this year Bwana coming in to the draft ?

There are guys around here that would be more knowledgeable on the subject than I would be right now. I don't watch that much college ball and I don't start tracking the prospects until a couple of months before the draft. A few guys that post here live for it year round.

[mdchiefsfan]

No I'm pretty sure most people on here do get it. There are a couple of loud ones that don't get it, but don't let that fool you, most of us get it.

This

[NJChiefsFan]

ROFL Good gawd you're a ****ing idiot.
So, what you're saying is it doesn't matter how well Alex Smith plays it's just a fact he always plays great. I got it now. It doesn't matter what happens on the field Alex Smith will always have you slobbering on the snotty end of his **** stick.:thumb:

See that's how his mind works. If you don't defend Smith even when he doesn't deserve it, you are a flip-flop hater who should give up watching the team because you aren't a fan. He needs to have black and white so his world makes sense. If you acknowledge that things aren't always perfect, then you have to think and that's not good.

So because you said Smith did well in the OAK game, you are obligated to defend him every time he breathes otherwise you are a hypocrite.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

All he does is win.

Until he loses.

[jallmon]

Link to those without a job? Link to the people's court thread?

Facts not fiction, Bob

Now, that's funny! (Sorry for the interruption, carry on!)

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

ROFL Good gawd you're a ****ing idiot.
So, what you're saying is it doesn't matter how well Alex Smith plays it's just a fact he always plays great. I got it now. It doesn't matter what happens on the field Alex Smith will always have you slobbering on the snotty end of his **** stick.:thumb:

Quote me where I said he's having an elite career? He's a very capable game manager who can run the WCO quite well and get his team to wins. His playoff performances are some of the best in current active quarterbacks.

He's got limitations, just like most QBs. Almost 4 years in and he's only missed a few games to injury...that's pretty damn good if you ask me.

Especially with the record he's had over that time frame...3rd best in the league.

[TripleThreat]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03/gamelog/post/

Alex playoff stats in Houston and New england are nothing to write home about.

its pathetic how you still holding onto that Houston game... Where we won.... 30 to 0 ..... Where our QB only had to throw the ball 22 times.... And you say he played bad that game or something..... We didnt need a QB that game, yet you still use that game as some reference to him playing bad which is so fucking retarded lol

[The Franchise]

Alex Smith: 76-58-1

[Chief Roundup]

Thanksgiving Day nationally televised game against an AFC West rival he deserves to be benched.

Again, I think Thursday is shit or get off the pot time for him.

Show up on Thursday or go get your shine box.

What the fuck are you talking about? Can you see the future to next season or something? :spock:
We are not playing this Thursday. We are playing Sunday night.

[Chief Roundup]

Doesn't matter. Alex has shown that he's not the solution for right now. Give Foles the rest of the season and then go from there.

It's NOT going to help.

Really? You don't think that Foles can do what Smith did in the Bucs game? You don't think he could have played like Smith did against the Panthers?

If we move on from Smith it should be to Bray. Foles is what he is and that is not going to change. Foles is not really any better than Smith overall, yeah he may chuck it more often but overall he is no better and actually a little worse.
Go big or stay home.

[Rasputin]

Having a mediocre quarterback is the worst kind of quarterback to have. You can win games with him with a good supporting cast but just going to the playoffs or a playoff win keeps him around another year just to go through the motions. Never get anything great out of him just enough to get by. Then stuck with him another year just getting by. Everything he does is just enough to get by another year. Same as it is same as it ever will be this is what we get with a mediocre quarterback. Death by lame~allity.

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

I personally believe you guys are all fucked.

I'm gonna wait and see what Sorter says.

Sorter knows a lot of stuffs.

Dinny

[oaklandhater]

its pathetic how you still holding onto that Houston game... Where we won.... 30 to 0 ..... Where our QB only had to throw the ball 22 times.... And you say he played bad that game or something..... We didnt need a QB that game, yet you still use that game as some reference to him playing bad which is so ****ing retarded lol

He didn't do shit that game other then lean on the defense it was a prelude to the ne game

[Bwana]

If we move on from Smith it should be to Bray. Foles is what he is and that is not going to change. Foles is not really any better than Smith overall, yeah he may chuck it more often but overall he is no better and actually a little worse.
Go big or stay home.

Bray? LMAO

[RealSNR]

Is it just me or does Alex have a new padded retard helmet since his fake concussion? It looks bigger.

[cdcox]

Is it just me or does Alex have a new padded retard helmet since his fake concussion? It looks bigger.

Show us the Zapruder film.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Is it just me or does Alex have a new padded retard helmet since his fake concussion? It looks bigger.

He does, they mentioned it on the broadcast of the Carolina game.

[loochy]

Is it just me or does Alex have a new padded retard helmet since his fake concussion? It looks bigger.

He needs to rock a Mark Kelso helmet

https://mschuettblahblahblah.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/mark-kelsos-head-was-used-for-helmet-storage.jpg

[Chief Roundup]

Bray? LMAO
Yeah at least it would be a move to try and improve the position instead of a lateral move with no possible growth.

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[ChiTown]

If we move on from Smith it should be to Bray. Foles is what he is and that is not going to change. Foles is not really any better than Smith overall, yeah he may chuck it more often but overall he is no better and actually a little worse.
Go big or stay home.

Bray? BRAY!.......ho-lee-shit.

You sumbitches have lost your got-damned minds.

[notorious]

I think he can still figure things out and turn it around. That's just the wishful Chief fan in me fighting for hope.

[Molitoth]

Quote me where I said he's having an elite career? He's a very capable game manager who can run the WCO quite well and get his team to wins. His playoff performances are some of the best in current active quarterbacks.

He's got limitations, just like most QBs. Almost 4 years in and he's only missed a few games to injury...that's pretty damn good if you ask me.

Especially with the record he's had over that time frame...3rd best in the league.

You know who else was a tough bastard? Matt Cassel.
The dude kept coming back for more abuse.

Alex Smith is headed down the same path.

[ptlyon]

You know who else was a tough bastard? Matt Cassel.
The dude kept coming back for more abuse.

Alex Smith is headed down the same path.

Never missed a paycheck!

[loochy]

You know who else was a tough bastard? Matt Cassel.
The dude kept coming back for more abuse.

Alex Smith is headed down the same path.

Yeah, I'll give him that. He tried really hard...

[Sandy Vagina]

I think he can still figure things out and turn it around. That's just the wishful Chief fan in me fighting for hope.

DAMN YOU for this, you HOMER with head in the sand!

Being positive is not an acceptable trait in team fans! :cuss:

http://blog.chron.com/tubular/files/2015/09/shame-bell-game-of-thrones.gif

[philfree]

Like a lot of QBs Alex will have hot streaks. He hasn't had one yet this year so maybe it's about to happen as we head down the stretch.

[Chief Roundup]

Bray? BRAY!.......ho-lee-shit.

You sumbitches have lost your got-damned minds.
If we move on from Smith right nowbwould you rather go with Foles or Bray? We aren't winning anything with Foles or Bray this season. I would rather try something new than something old that we know the ceiling of. We don't know Brays ceiling.

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[RealSNR]

He does, they mentioned it on the broadcast of the Carolina game.

Does that thing help prevent future concussions? Why don't they just make all players wear those helmets for safety reasons?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Does that thing help prevent future concussions? Why don't they just make all players wear those helmets for safety reasons?

This is the helmet Smith is wearing.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/3/28/5547618/riddell-speedflex-helmets-insite-technology

[ChiTown]

If we move on from Smith right nowbwould you rather go with Foles or Bray? We aren't winning anything with Foles or Bray this season. I would rather try something new than something old that we know the ceiling of. We don't know Brays ceiling.

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https://media.giphy.com/media/ADr35Z4TvATIc/giphy.gif

[Easy 6]

If we move on from Smith right nowbwould you rather go with Foles or Bray? We aren't winning anything with Foles or Bray this season. I would rather try something new than something old that we know the ceiling of. We don't know Brays ceiling.

Foles best season was one of the best seasons a QB has had in the last ten years... he has a proven record of being able to win, and do it emphatically

I dont care about his time with the Rams either, everyone sucks with Fisher

[TEX]

Foles best season was one of the best seasons a QB has had in the last ten years... he has a proven record of being able to win, and do it emphatically

I dont care about his time with the Rams either, everyone sucks with Fisher

But that was in a gimmick offense. Not with Reid. You're spot on with Fisher, but Chip Kelly isn't much better. Having said that, if I were Reid, I'd be considering a QB change to Foles if Alex doesn't start improving.

[Easy 6]

But that was in a gimmick offense. Not with Reid. You're spot on with Fisher, but Chip Kelly isn't much better. Having said that, if I were Reid, I'd be considering a QB change to Foles if Alex doesn't start improving.

Just saying that if its between Bray or Foles, then it is no decision at all... I am just sooo ready for a change, even knowing that Foles has his faults as well

We know what Smiff is capable of on this team, and it isnt much... ppg under Foles would go up, of that I have O doubt

[TEX]

Just saying that if its between Bray or Foles, then it is no decision at all... I am just sooo ready for a change, even knowing that Foles has his faults as well

We know what Smiff is capable of on this team, and it isnt much... ppg under Foles would go up, of that I have O doubt

I year ya...

[Jerm]

Just saying that if its between Bray or Foles, then it is no decision at all... I am just sooo ready for a change, even knowing that Foles has his faults as well

We know what Smiff is capable of on this team, and it isnt much... ppg under Foles would go up, of that I have O doubt

Even if Foles is bad, is it any worse than what we've been seeing...? The upside is much higher IMO, that's where I'm at.

That's why it's inexplicable as to why Reid just won't give him a series or two to see if he can spark something when the offense is putrid.

[philfree]

Foles is slow in the pocket and just really sucks for the most part. Why anyone would want to make him the starter is beyond me. He sucks!

[jd1020]

Foles is slow in the pocket and just really sucks for the most part. Why anyone would want to make him the starter is beyond me. He sucks!

Can't be much worse than leading one of the worst passing offenses in the league for 4 years.

[philfree]

Can't be much worse than leading one of the worst passing offenses in the league for 4 years.

I know but he is.

[oaklandhater]

I know but he is.

I don't think the Jags game was a fair assessment of Foles dude hadn't started a game in forever and played one of the better defenses in the nfl.

[Easy 6]

Even if Foles is bad, is it any worse than what we've been seeing...? The upside is much higher IMO, that's where I'm at.

That's why it's inexplicable as to why Reid just won't give him a series or two to see if he can spark something when the offense is putrid.

You're absolutely right, Foles upside is a mile above Smiffs... anyone who can look at our scoring this year and say they're content with Smiff, well, I'm not gonna call names but lets just say they're WRONG

I'm soooooo sick of watching this play out every damn year...

Smith has a 3 game mix of mediocre to flat out terrible games in a row

Smith has a decent game, looks serviceable, maybe even a bit better

Smith has another 3 game mix of mediocre to flat out terrible games in a row

Smith has a decent game, looks serviceable, maybe even a bit better

Wash

Rinse

Repeat for 16 games

[CupidStunt]

Bray is a MUCH better option than Smith. He'll either lead you to the promised land or suck so bad we're in position to draft someone who will. Smith does just barely enough to get your asshole plundered in the postseason, so that you can draft an OG with the 23rd pick or so to protect him the next year and do it all over again.

[Discuss Thrower]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cody Kessler in 8 starts: 66%, 1369 yds (7.1 YPA), 6 TD,2 INT,93 RTG<br><br>Alex Smith&#39;s last 8 starts: 66%, 1714 yds (6.8 YPA), 7 TD,3 INT,90 RTG</p>&mdash; Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/801528135225409536">November 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Reerun_KC]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cody Kessler in 8 starts: 66%, 1369 yds (7.1 YPA), 6 TD,2 INT,93 RTG<br><br>Alex Smith&#39;s last 8 starts: 66%, 1714 yds (6.8 YPA), 7 TD,3 INT,90 RTG</p>&mdash; Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/801528135225409536">November 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Yep. Best being turned up on Smith. Time to produce or be benched.

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cody Kessler in 8 starts: 66%, 1369 yds (7.1 YPA), 6 TD,2 INT,93 RTG<br><br>Alex Smith&#39;s last 8 starts: 66%, 1714 yds (6.8 YPA), 7 TD,3 INT,90 RTG</p>&mdash; Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/801528135225409536">November 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Yeah but how many wins does he have? How is Cody in the playoffs? How many times is my Uncle going to fuck me? / BlackBob

[RunKC]

Anyone else feel like it's 2011 all over again?

Good QB class and we pass on multiple guys. Oh and to top it all off we got our Donald Stephenson in KeiVarae Russell.

Awesome

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He does, they mentioned it on the broadcast of the Carolina game.

Mork calling Orson, come in Orson....

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Is it just me or does Alex have a new padded retard helmet since his fake concussion? It looks bigger.

He's not the only one.

http://prod.images.chiefs.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/CHIEFS/assets/images/imported/KC/photos/clubimages/2016/11-November/tempTopShots_Bucs_009--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.JPG?width=960&height=720

https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/helmet3.gif

I've talked with neurologists who think these speedflex helmets make little to no difference.

[Reerun_KC]

Anyone else feel like it's 2011 all over again?

Good QB class and we pass on multiple guys. Oh and to top it all off we got our Donald Stephenson in KeiVarae Russell.

Awesome
Yes

[Red Dawg]

Watching today's games makes me angry at the Chiefs even more watching QB play and actual talent on offense that's far above what we have. We have decent at best offensive talent.

Kelce is the only skill player we have that has proven he needs to be respected. Others have had some flashes but week in and week out they have proven nothing for certain.

[RunKC]

Watching today's games makes me angry at the Chiefs even more watching QB play and actual talent on offense that's far above what we have. We have decent at best offensive talent.

Kelce is the only skill player we have that has proven he needs to be respected. Others have had some flashes but week in and week out they have proven nothing for certain.

Maclin, Ware and Hill are all guys teams account for. They are good weapons.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Maclin, Ware and Hill are all guys teams account for. They are good weapons.

They are serviceable weapons that could be true threats with the addition of a legitimate Quarterback.

Iron sharpens iron.

[Reerun_KC]

They are serviceable weapons that could be true threats with the addition of a legitimate Quarterback.

Iron sharpens iron.

:clap:

[Red Dawg]

Maclin, Ware and Hill are all guys teams account for. They are good weapons.

Hill is a rookie and has done nothing yet to demand a defenses respect. He's flashed what he can be but to small of a sample size. Maclin is a good wr at times but doesn't command respect either. Ware is the best of these three and but he's not super special and needs solid blocking to be effective. I like him a lot and have no problem with him as our starter for years to come but even he is not so good he's a "We must stop guy".

With that being said it starts up front and with the QB. Smith is killing our offensive production and the OL is having a tough time run blocking this season.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Alex Smith is finished. Having a career worst year in the 4th season of the same system with good core of playmakers and line. Bye Felicia

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Alex Smith is finished. Having a career worst year in the 4th season of the same system with good core of playmakers and line. Bye Felicia

What are you willing to wager on that prediction?

[Fish]

He's not the only one.




I've talked with neurologists who think these speedflex helmets make little to no difference.

LMAO.... you haven't talked to any neurologists, you lying babysitter boyfriend cocksucker.

[MotherfuckerJones]

What are you willing to wager on that prediction?

Proof is in the pudding. It's his 4 year in this offense and he's got his best OL since coming to KC along with a really good RB and weapons. Smith limits this offense severely. It's time to put Foles in with the ones. At least he can take advantage of poor defenses and put pressure on secondaries. Yes, he'll turn it over more but he'll also push the ball more and make more plays. It's time.

[TEX]

Alex Smith is finished. Having a career worst year in the 4th season of the same system with good core of playmakers and line. Bye Felicia

He SHOULD be, but he WON'T be. Reid hand picked this guy and he will be here next year. But you're right and this should be it. Based on what I've seen out of Smith thus far this year, I'd do it this season, if anything to see for certain if Foles can be the guy going into next season. Also, going with Foles now won't do anything to hurt our chances this season. Seems like a perfect opportunity to me...

[Sandy Vagina]

He SHOULD be, but he WON'T be. Reid hand picked this guy and he will be here next year. But you're right and this should be it.

You think there is no chance Smith elects to retire after this season?


Based on what I've seen out of Smith thus far this year, I'd do it this season, if anything to see for certain if Foles can be the guy going into next season. Also, going with Foles now won't do anything to hurt our chances this season. Seems like a perfect opportunity to me...

It's a risk either way, but I may agree with you after this weekend. I think Foles would indeed be a worse QB against the likes of that Denver defense... and would do things to eliminate KC's chances of winning this game.

I think Smith's win % as a Chief is worthy of some respect. I know I know.. the D and STs do the heavy lifting.. but whatever Smith and the O provide.. it does add a portion to that typical, winning formula.

None of it matters, unless the real Houston shows up, and others can get healthy enough to play.

[Reerun_KC]

You think there is no chance Smith elects to retire after this season?




It's a risk either way, but I may agree with you after this weekend. I think Foles would indeed be a worse QB against the likes of that Denver defense... and would do things to eliminate KC's chances of winning this game.

I think Smith's win % as a Chief is worthy of some respect. I know I know.. the D and STs do the heavy lifting.. but whatever Smith and the O provide.. it does add a portion to that typical, winning formula.

None of it matters, unless the real Houston shows up, and others can get healthy enough to play.

It's not Houston's or any other players responsibility to carry the offense. The QB is responsible for that responsibility...

Teams deal with injuries all year long. Using that as the foundation to excuse Smith for failing isn't acceptable.

[TEX]

You think there is no chance Smith elects to retire after this season?




It's a risk either way, but I may agree with you after this weekend. I think Foles would indeed be a worse QB against the likes of that Denver defense... and would do things to eliminate KC's chances of winning this game.

I think Smith's win % as a Chief is worthy of some respect. I know I know.. the D and STs do the heavy lifting.. but whatever Smith and the O provide.. it does add a portion to that typical, winning formula.

None of it matters, unless the real Houston shows up, and others can get healthy enough to play.

No. I don't think Smith will retire. I think he'll find support from the Chiefs organization to stick around...

Maybe you're right about Foles against Denver. He is somewhat of a statue and will take more risks with the football, but they might would pay off. :shrug: But I agree, would be more "risky" with Foles.

You're no doubt right about the respecting Smith's winning%. However, I lose more for that with each passing game because this season Smith should be playing much better being its year 4 + more protection + more weapons than ever before.

[Sandy Vagina]

It's not Houston's or any other players responsibility to carry the offense. The QB is responsible for that responsibility...

Teams deal with injuries all year long. Using that as the foundation to excuse Smith for failing isn't acceptable.

You are still looking at the Chiefs as if they are not a TEAM. You dissect each portion as if they do not combine efforts to determine outcome.

Houston and Maclin are being paid the 2nd and 3rd most in cap room this season. I can't imagine other teams kicking ass on a regular basis while without their top two of three contract players.

Injuries are yet again THE biggest of Chiefs' problems.

That's not to say that Smith is not part of the problem. He needs to wake the **** up and play better at times. At his best, he can overcome much of the injuries around him, and that's if Andy isn't sabotaging things with garbage playcalling.

[Sandy Vagina]

No. I don't think Smith will retire. I think he'll find support from the Chiefs organization to stick around...

Maybe you're right about Foles against Denver. He is somewhat of a statue and will take more risks with the football, but they might would pay off. :shrug: But I agree, would be more "risky" with Foles.

You're no doubt right about the respecting Smith's winning%. However, I lose more for that with each passing game because this season Smith should be playing much better being its year 4 + more protection + more weapons than ever before.

A response to appreciate, thank you. Usually, it's just the same old "get the **** outta here, you 49ers fan Smith ballwasher! you and he suck!"

:facepalm:

[CupidStunt]

Injuries are yet again THE biggest of Chiefs' problems.


Not even remotely close. Beyond pathetic excuse. Brady would carry Walmart grocery baggers to the playoffs.

Alex Smith is, by far and without any doubt, the biggest problem on the team.

There's a REALLY simple rule in the NFL: if you don't have a franchise QB, it's your biggest need.

[Rausch]

Not even remotely close. Beyond pathetic excuse. Brady would carry Walmart grocery baggers to the playoffs.

Alex Smith is, by far and without any doubt, the biggest problem on the team.

There's a REALLY simple rule in the NFL: if you don't have a franchise QB, it's your biggest need.

The problem is he isn't a positive.

He doesn't make anyone better. He doesn't make any player better than they are.

He does, on a consistent basis, make talented players underachieve.

And that's NOT on him alone...

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/11/25/13745692/alex-smith-vs-the-bucs-all-22-review-i-don-t-know-how-to-say-this

Hey look -> more evidence Smith wasn't the problem last Sunday

[ThaVirus]

LMAO.... you haven't talked to any neurologists, you lying babysitter boyfriend cocksucker.


Damn. Savage.

[Easy 6]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/11/25/13745692/alex-smith-vs-the-bucs-all-22-review-i-don-t-know-how-to-say-this

Hey look -> more evidence Smith wasn't the problem last Sunday

It does NOT matter what they say and I'm not even going to open the link... Smith WAS the problem last week

No one cares that he had a statistically decent game, the fact remains that sometimes Smiff needs to lead the charge and bail out the defense... go win a ****ing game against a dogshit defense like you're paid to do

Not even all the time, we all know he isnt Tom Marino and we do not expect him to be

But once in a great while you simply cannot COUNT ON the defense winning all of your games for you, even Jim McMahon had to put the team on his back and toss some touchdowns once in a ****ing while

I would bet all I own that if you could ask guys like Kelce and Maclin who they wanted at QB, they'd say Foles 10 of 10 times... they wont say it now because Reid still has a good grip on the locker room for some reason, but you can DAMN WELL BET they are thinking it

Its starting to become clear to me that Harbaughs decision to replace him after his injury wasnt some spur of the moment hairbrained scheme... not only did HE see the problem, but you can bet your last dollar that his team leaders were in his ear about it

"Hey coach, we love him man... but its just not happening with him"

[oaklandhater]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/11/25/13745692/alex-smith-vs-the-bucs-all-22-review-i-don-t-know-how-to-say-this

Hey look -> more evidence Smith wasn't the problem last Sunday

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2677645-alex-smiths-limitations-spell-big-trouble-for-chiefs-in-afc-west

More evidence he is the problem.

[Sandy Vagina]

It does NOT matter what they say and I'm not even going to open the link... Smith WAS the problem last week

No one cares that he had a statistically decent game, the fact remains that sometimes Smiff needs to lead the charge and bail out the defense... go win a ****ing game against a dogshit defense like you're paid to do

Not even all the time, we all know he isnt Tom Marino and we do not expect him to be

But once in a great while you simply cannot COUNT ON the defense winning all of your games for you, even Jim McMahon had to put the team on his back and toss some touchdowns once in a ****ing while

I would bet all I own that if you could ask guys like Kelce and Maclin who they wanted at QB, they'd say Foles 10 of 10 times... they wont say it now because Reid still has a good grip on the locker room for some reason, but you can DAMN WELL BET they are thinking it

Its starting to become clear to me that Harbaughs decision to replace him after his injury wasnt some spur of the moment hairbrained scheme... not only did HE see the problem, but you can bet your last dollar that his team leaders were in his ear about it

"Hey coach, we love him man... but its just not happening with him"

Most ignorant post of yours to date, and I was surprised to see your name attached to it.

I get that you are angry that he isn't playing as well as he's capable in this yr 4.. I am too.. but you have really flipped out stupid here.

Smith was really sharp in his 2012 year before the concussion. FFS, even Joe Montana stated that he should have remained the QB.

Smith should be playing better ball, but this team is just a mess as a TEAM. Still, if it continues as is, there's no point in keeping him for his contract hit.

I'd sure like your list of QBs that would be excelling with this many issues around him. It would be short.

[SAUTO]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/11/25/13745692/alex-smith-vs-the-bucs-all-22-review-i-don-t-know-how-to-say-this

Hey look -> more evidence Smith wasn't the problem last Sunday

Read that closer, it's not exactly glowing

[Easy 6]

Most ignorant post of yours to date, and I was surprised to see your name attached to it.

I get that you are angry that he isn't playing as well as he's capable in this yr 4.. I am too.. but you have really flipped out stupid here.

Smith was really sharp in his 2012 year before the concussion. FFS, even Joe Montana stated that he should have remained the QB.

Smith should be playing better ball, but this team is just a mess as a TEAM. Still, if it continues as is, there's no point in keeping him for his contract hit.

I'd sure like your list of QBs that would be excelling with this many issues around him. It would be short.

I've always been kind to you, dont you forget it... but sometimes the news hurts

[Sandy Vagina]

I've always been kind to you, dont you forget it... but sometimes the news hurts

Oh no doubt. No doubt that you're a decent human being.. and those can be hard to find in such places. You and I, we'll be raising a beer to whomever they move on with at QB some day.

Me, I'm cool if Smith calls quits to his career soon. My point simply was.. you are letting your disappointment of his yr 4 play go too far.. probably aided by the vocal hate spewed here on CP.

Alex Smith is a good QB on a good team. Not perfect. Good. THIS current team.. problems being what they are outside of QB.. are not playing to their ability (big part of this is not being healthy enough to).

Alex Smith's success was contingent on a healthy KC roster. Of course, injuries occur... but wtf? .. two of the top players are invisible/broken/not pulling their weight. Hali has been an epic disappointment. Albert Wilson, a scrub. OL has been better, but still barely middle of the pack. DJ has been a mistackling machine lately. What did they have last game? 30 missed tackles? How's the run game been lately? How you liking Andy Reid's playcalling and game management?

Like I always said.. Alex Smith is good enough to win it all, but he needs a solid team around him. Can you straight face tell me that's exactly what he's had?

What happens in 2013 if Bowe taps his second foot in bounds? Does this epic image of Alex not carrying a broken team to a playoff win not change for you?

Seriously.. don't shut these considerations out.. like you are shutting out this AP post.. which has genuine fairness and merit. Once you close your mind, and set your feet in the trenches like the rest.. you lose whatever redeeming functional thought for fairness. Don't be that guy. Don't be.. these guys.

Not saying Alex is great or will rebound. KC still could get raped on Sunday night. Giving up is close enough.. I'm not far from it, in all truth.

That time.. is not now.

#hopsoffsoapbox

[oaklandhater]

Most ignorant post of yours to date, and I was surprised to see your name attached to it.

I get that you are angry that he isn't playing as well as he's capable in this yr 4.. I am too.. but you have really flipped out stupid here.

Smith was really sharp in his 2012 year before the concussion. FFS, even Joe Montana stated that he should have remained the QB.

Smith should be playing better ball, but this team is just a mess as a TEAM. Still, if it continues as is, there's no point in keeping him for his contract hit.

I'd sure like your list of QBs that would be excelling with this many issues around him. It would be short.

Only alex homers think alex shouldn't haven been benched starting kap was the right move you will be hard pressed to find a 49er fan who didn't want alex gone.

Ninerdom was ready to run Alex out of town they had suffered enough with his style of play.

[oaklandhater]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1482872-jim-harbaughs-decision-to-bench-alex-smith-justified-again-by-colin-kaepernick

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Like it or not he's your 17 million/year QB thru 2017

[MotherfuckerJones]

Like it or not he's your 17 million/year QB thru 2017

Fuck you, you uncle cocksucker. Take this shit bag QB with you when you get banned.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Like it or not he's your 17 million/year waste of time/legitimate player career-killer QB thru 2017

Same as it ever was.