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RunKC
12-01-2016, 11:40 AM
So I watched NFL films version of this game and got a few gif's. While watching this, it really made me realize how crazy and fortunate we were on the Tyreek Hill tying TD play.
Looking more in depth revealed some important (even critical) details:

1. Roby should have been called for PI. He hit Hill's helmet and grabbed his left shoulder area. I honestly have no idea how Hill caught this ball.
Roby flies over him and nearly bats the ball but barely misses. I don't know how the hell Hill saw the ball and grabbed it. It was a low pass with Roby right in his line of vision along with his head being hit. It's incredible that he caught this ball in the first place, but it was actually a good thing that this happened bc of where the ball was when Hill had control, thus the overturn of the call. Here's a few gifs showing this:

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2. I didn't realize until today that Denver's DL Jared Crick actually tipped the ball. The ball was barely low enough and had enough velocity to make it to Hill without being batted away by Roby.

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I don't think this pass is complete without the tip. It looks like it would have been higher and Roby would have got it. Another crazy circumstance that went our way.

3. Finally, seeing the entire play unfold, it was obvious that this was a designed 1 read to Hill. Alex looked at Hill the entire time from the time the ball was snapped.
Look at the bottom. Kelce is wide ****ing open. He clearly beat Darian Stewart by at least 2 steps. It wasn't even close. It would have been as easy TD.

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The bottom routes by Kelce and Wilson were basically the exact play design Seattle ran when they lost the SB. That's a damn hard route to stop, especially against Kelce.

It worked and we won, but I really wish Alex would have changed Andy's play design and looked to Kelce. Everyone knew it was a blitz, however Kelce was by far the biggest matchup for us pre-snap.

The Franchise
12-01-2016, 11:49 AM
I really fucking hate these designed one read bullshit plays.

chiefzilla1501
12-01-2016, 11:49 AM
Interesting. Thanks for posting. Maybe this is our year - between this improbable pass and the doink, these are usually breaks that go against us.

BoneKrusher
12-01-2016, 11:51 AM
Thanks for posting man.

suzzer99
12-01-2016, 11:52 AM
Ugh - that wide open Kelce is frustrating to look at.

I'm not so sure about the tip helping. The tip seems to divert the ball to the left in the picture, and slow it down so it floats more. If the tip doesn't happen I think Hill has to keep moving full speed to the right to get to the ball, instead of having to stop in his tracks, which leaves him out of interfering range. Of course knowing Alex he may have led Hill too much or thrown the ball into the ground.

Bowser
12-01-2016, 11:53 AM
Kelce was wide the hell open. Damn.

That's a great breakdown of the catch. So many things had to happen just so for us to get the score there. I doubt we will see a play like that again for a long time.

But ultimately, man, what concentration by Hill, especially considering the situation and what was on the line. His play before that to get the first down on fourth and ten was fucking nails, as well. This kid might just be legit.

Bowser
12-01-2016, 11:54 AM
I really fucking hate these designed one read bullshit plays.

Yep. We essentially lost the Tampa Bay game on a one read play.

suzzer99
12-01-2016, 11:56 AM
It's pretty incredibly how much production they do get out of Alex considering he can't seem to handle more than one read or be accurate w/o locking onto a receiver for a second or two. They treat him like a rookie.

O.city
12-01-2016, 11:57 AM
It's pretty incredibly how much production they do get out of Alex considering he can't seem to handle more than one read or be accurate w/o locking onto a receiver for a second or two. They treat him like a rookie.

I actually think that's why they only get what they get out of him.

Let the dude play freely

BWillie
12-01-2016, 11:57 AM
Ha wow. If it wasn't tipped it would have been too far in front of Hill and he wouldn't have even caught it. But Alex Smiff is so good!

Rasputin
12-01-2016, 12:07 PM
It's like he punched the Broncos in the stomach with his kick return and then choked them out with the tying touchdown catch.

Rasputin
12-01-2016, 12:10 PM
Ha wow. If it wasn't tipped it would have been too far in front of Hill and he wouldn't have even caught it. But Alex Smiff is so good!

You should give credit to Alex he knew in order for Hill to make that catch he had to let it get tipped in the first place to get the exact projectory needed, that's Alex Smith brilliance. That was a forced tip by Alex Smith he used the Denver player as a pawn.

Lzen
12-01-2016, 12:11 PM
Ha wow. If it wasn't tipped it would have been too far in front of Hill and he wouldn't have even caught it. But Alex Smiff is so good!

I don't think you can say that for certain.

O.city
12-01-2016, 12:12 PM
Thankfully he caught it

Lzen
12-01-2016, 12:12 PM
I did notice Kelce being wide open on that play when I watched the replay for the first time the other day. The only thing that could have possibly screwed it up if he had gone to Kelce is the blitzing defender could have possibly tipped or knocked down the pass. Doubtful but who knows as Alex was locked on to Hill the entire way.

ModSocks
12-01-2016, 12:13 PM
Kelce was wide the hell open. Damn.

That's a great breakdown of the catch. So many things had to happen just so for us to get the score there. I doubt we will see a play like that again for a long time.

But ultimately, man, what concentration by Hill, especially considering the situation and what was on the line. His play before that to get the first down on fourth and ten was ****ing nails, as well. This kid might just be legit.

Every game it seems like we're talking about missed opportunities that were there for Alex to make.

And yet every week these drooling retards are here telling me this is Reid's fault.

dls6501
12-01-2016, 12:14 PM
Wow. Just wow. After this breakdown, I dont ever want to hear an Alex fan mention that his interception against the Bucs was tipped.

What incredible luck! We are very fortunate.

TripleThreat
12-01-2016, 12:15 PM
KELCE IS WIDE OPEN

In the last gif!!! Holy crap lol.. I mean no matter what throw we make its a TD, but if the REFS were one of the dumb ass crews, we wouldve lost due to loss of time on the clock.

O.city
12-01-2016, 12:15 PM
I'd imagine presnap you're looking to target Hill with Roby vs Kelce with Talib?

RunKC
12-01-2016, 12:18 PM
How cool would it be if they had helmet cam's and used them in games for situations like this? I really wish Hill had a camera on his helmet so I could see what he saw on that pass.

TripleThreat
12-01-2016, 12:18 PM
Wow. Just wow. After this breakdown, I dont ever want to hear an Alex fan mention that his interception against the Bucs was tipped.

What incredible luck! We are very fortunate.

shut up, just because you like the quarterback of your favorite team, doesnt make you an alex fan, the said person is still a chief fan. This shit is getting really old...

better sentence structure would be I dont ever want to hear anyone mention that alex's interception against the Buc's was tipped.... Rather than making your stupid ass sentence immediately an argument with the "alex fan" comment.

ModSocks
12-01-2016, 12:18 PM
I'd imagine presnap you're looking to target Hill with Roby vs Kelce with Talib?

It's also a throw across the field that could possibly be undercut.

Would like to see it from a different angle.

BoneKrusher
12-01-2016, 12:19 PM
I'd imagine presnap you're looking to target Hill with Roby vs Kelce with Talib?

This was a factor.
I'm thankful we have an option besides Kelce.

TripleThreat
12-01-2016, 12:22 PM
It's pretty incredibly how much production they do get out of Alex considering he can't seem to handle more than one read or be accurate w/o locking onto a receiver for a second or two. They treat him like a rookie.

If this was true, then Alex would never throw to his checkdown, considering going to your checkdown is considered to AT LEAST, be your 2nd read.

RunKC
12-01-2016, 12:22 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that Andy specifically drew this up to go to Hill. Alex was looking right at him the entire time.
It just looks like a 1 read play design. Andy knew they'd blitz so the call makes sense.

It was Darian Stewart that Kelce smoked. Kelce smoked Denver all game long.

Also note that Hill was a bad matchup. Roby is Denver's fastest and quickest CB capable of actually staying with Hill and that's what happened.

SAUTO
12-01-2016, 12:23 PM
I really fucking hate these designed one read bullshit plays.

Especially with how many gigs he has available

TripleThreat
12-01-2016, 12:24 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that Andy specifically drew this up to go to Hill. Alex was looking right at him the entire time.
It just looks like a 1 read play design. Andy knew they'd blitz so the call makes sense.

It was Darian Stewart that Kelce smoked. Kelce smoked Denver all game long.

This throw to hill was probably one of the most common goal line throws anyone will see in the NFL. Beat your guy with speed (which hill has) get to the line, grab ball, fall backwards.

Hoover
12-01-2016, 12:24 PM
OK, now do the Harris conversion.

Urc Burry
12-01-2016, 12:24 PM
It was an all out blitz with a free blitzer from the right side. You don't have time for more than the first read. That's the right call

O.city
12-01-2016, 12:25 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that Andy specifically drew this up to go to Hill. Alex was looking right at him the entire time.
It just looks like a 1 read play design. Andy knew they'd blitz so the call makes sense.

It was Darian Stewart that Kelce smoked. Kelce smoked Denver all game long.

In these situations, you're always going to go with a single read then go action. You know Denver is bringing more guys than the Chiefs ol has to block them.

Unless your primary falls down or something, it's gotta come out quick.

suzzer99
12-01-2016, 12:28 PM
It was an all out blitz with a free blitzer from the right side. You don't have time for more than the first read. That's the right call

That makes sense. But I really hope we aren't telegraphing our hot reads somehow.

The defender on Kelce sure seemed lackadaisical - like he somehow knew the ball was never going to Kelce on a blitz.

dallaschiefsfan
12-01-2016, 12:28 PM
I can't tell the initial trajectory of the play prior to being tipped, but is it possible that it was going high and further to the right because he was throwing to Kelce? Or has Alex or the coaching staff already said that Hill was - in fact - the intended receiver? Not that it matters at this point.

RunKC
12-01-2016, 12:30 PM
It was an all out blitz with a free blitzer from the right side. You don't have time for more than the first read. That's the right call

This is true, but again with research we know Kelce is the best option. Alex should have seen this pre-snap.

Denver literally had everyone on the line but the 4 DB's on our guys. The correct play is Alex looking at Kelce and lofting it up for him to grab.

Urc Burry
12-01-2016, 12:31 PM
That makes sense. But I really hope we aren't telegraphing our hot reads somehow.

The defender on Kelce sure seemed lackadaisical - like he somehow knew the ball was never going to Kelce on a blitz.

I would think if Denver was rushing heavier on the left side then the throw goes to Kelce. You need that lane to throw. And I can't believe it got tipped. I didn't know that until today as well

Hydrae
12-01-2016, 12:33 PM
You should give credit to Alex he knew in order for Hill to make that catch he had to let it get tipped in the first place to get the exact projectory needed, that's Alex Smith brilliance. That was a forced tip by Alex Smith he used the Denver player as a pawn.

That was the first "bank shot" of the night which culminated with Santos' Doink to win.

rabblerouser
12-01-2016, 12:34 PM
I actually think that's why they only get what they get out of him.

Let the dude play freely

100% agreed. Low risk = low reward. Let the baller ball and shit. Fuck Andy Reid. "Offensive genius" my fucking ass.

"On this play, ignore the open man. They'll never see it coming..."

Alex needs to grow a set and start checking out of bullshit that he and everyone else knows won't work...

O.city
12-01-2016, 12:35 PM
Well, I think him not playing freely is alot of his own mentality so I'm not sure what can fix that.

rabblerouser
12-01-2016, 12:36 PM
You should give credit to Alex he knew in order for Hill to make that catch he had to let it get tipped in the first place to get the exact projectory needed, that's Alex Smith brilliance. That was a forced tip by Alex Smith he used the Denver player as a pawn.

Andy Reid is an offensive genius.

rabblerouser
12-01-2016, 12:37 PM
You should give credit to Alex he knew in order for Hill to make that catch he had to let it get tipped in the first place to get the exact projectory needed, that's Alex Smith brilliance. That was a forced tip by Alex Smith he used the Denver player as a pawn.

Well, I think him not playing freely is alot of his own mentality so I'm not sure what can fix that.

He didn't play like that under Harbaugh in SF...but Andy Reid's fingerprints are unmistakable.

dls6501
12-01-2016, 12:38 PM
shut up, just because you like the quarterback of your favorite team, doesnt make you an alex fan, the said person is still a chief fan. This shit is getting really old...

better sentence structure would be I dont ever want to hear anyone mention that alex's interception against the Buc's was tipped.... Rather than making your stupid ass sentence immediately an argument with the "alex fan" comment.

But it IS the Alex fans here. Alex fans are the only ones excusing his interception against the Bucs because the ball was tipped. You dont see others doing that. And they are the same fans that were drooling over Alex's "perfect ball placement" on the touchdown pass to Hill.

So no, its not just Chiefs fans. Its Chiefs fans who have Alex's balls in their mouth. My sentence structure was just fine, because it was only directed at those specific Alex fans.

Simply Red
12-01-2016, 12:39 PM
I never noticed Kelce so open - sheesh...

O.city
12-01-2016, 12:39 PM
He didn't play like that under Harbaugh in SF...but Andy Reid's fingerprints are unmistakable.

He hasn't played that way here, until recently.

But ok.

mikeyis4dcats.
12-01-2016, 12:43 PM
But it IS the Alex fans here. Alex fans are the only ones excusing his interception against the Bucs because the ball was tipped. You dont see others doing that. And they are the same fans that were drooling over Alex's "perfect ball placement" on the touchdown pass to Hill.

So no, its not just Chiefs fans. Its Chiefs fans who have Alex's balls in their mouth. My sentence structure was just fine, because it was only directed at those specific Alex fans.

I'm not an apologist, but I don't see how you can blame a QB when a ball gets tipped or a WR gives up on a play. They can't control that.

I also won't gargle a QBs balls over a catch like Hill made. It was pure luck, both ways.

DJ's left nut
12-01-2016, 12:49 PM
I really fucking hate these designed one read bullshit plays.

It wasn't.

There were two reads - Hill and Kelce on mirrored route concepts.

Smith liked his matchup with Hill better. It's a quick-hitter so he had 2 reads but once he decided on his preferred matchup, he really only has the time to make 1 throw.

It's kindof a necessary evil in tight spaces. You're just not going to have a lot of time to get through progressions from that spot on the field. That is actually a really good play design and play call. Perhaps Smith could've made a smarter pre-snap read but it was clear that he preferred the look he got on the Hill side of the formation.

DJ's left nut
12-01-2016, 12:54 PM
2. I didn't realize until today that Denver's DL Jared Crick actually tipped the ball. The ball was barely low enough and had enough velocity to make it to Hill without being batted away by Roby.

I don't think this pass is complete without the tip. It looks like it would have been higher and Roby would have got it. Another crazy circumstance that went our way.


I missed that tip as well.

That said, I think the ball is either caught or the PI is so obvious that the official has no choice but to flag it. That pass would've been outside the reach of Roby's right hand unless he used his left hand to latch onto Hill and pull himself across (which he was clearly trying to do until the tip brought it back in). Had Hill not made an adjustment on the tip and instead continued to sprawl, what left hand from Roby would've spun him like a top.

But holy shit, what body control from Hill. That's just instinct right there; that was an incredible play for a guy that's not a natural WR.

DJ's left nut
12-01-2016, 12:58 PM
I don't think you can say that for certain.

I don't think you can say it at all. It's 4 yards away; a pretty steep change in angle out of his hand will still only change where the ball ends by a foot or two over that short a span.

It's fucking pulling teeth to get any credit for the guy at all around here.

O.city
12-01-2016, 01:00 PM
I don't think you can say it at all. It's 4 yards away; a pretty steep change in angle out of his hand will still only change where the ball ends by a foot or two over that short a span.

It's ****ing pulling teeth to get any credit for the guy at all around here.

Which teeth?

DJ's left nut
12-01-2016, 01:03 PM
Here's the only thing I can figure on Smith's read - he liked having Conley as the inside WR and fall back option more than Wilson.

If the DBs sniff that play out and crash on the slant, that's easy to diagnose and hit the fade in the back corner. If you're throwing that pass, you'd far prefer to throw it to Conley over Wilson, no? Granted, throwing it to Wilson on the wide side of the field sure gives you more room for error than Conley on the short side, but on the short side Conley's catch radius may actually give you a bit of an advantage in tight spaces. Then again, if neither work, having the other side of the formation giving you the wide side as a 3rd option may allow the timing to actually function. If you look to Kelce then Wilson and neither are there, Conley and Hill's routes are all but done. Whereas working from left to right gives you Hill then Conley then perhaps Wilson still. The timing on each respective route should you need to advance through progressions plays a part in where you start those progressions.

I dunno; best I've got. Like most of you, the pre-snap read there suggests that Kelce is the better option to me. Just trying to see what Smith may have seen. Without knowing where their LBs started vs. where they were at the snap, that's the best I can do. I don't think he really thought "Man, fuck that Kelce guy"; there had to be a reason for it.

chiefzilla1501
12-01-2016, 01:08 PM
Well, I think him not playing freely is alot of his own mentality so I'm not sure what can fix that.

One option is to go no huddle earlier. Alex seems more effective with pace and he can work off less of a script.

But I agree much of the problem would still be mental. We can debate all we want about this one read on this one play, but it sure seems that Alex presses on passes in late games that he'd be too afraid to throw earlier in the game. Don't know how many times in a game I saw him flinch as if he was going to throw, then pull back and take a sack a few seconds later. I wish we could turn that switch off but I doubt we can.

TigeRRUppeRRcut
12-01-2016, 01:11 PM
If Smith is given 1 on 1 coverage then you stick with the intended target and trust them to run the route. Historically, Smith is most accurate throwing middle or left.

Now if a safety is playing in coverage then you go thru your reads.

This scenario is much much different than the Tampa interception where Reid admitted it was a one read play designed to draw the safety in to stop Ware, except the safety stayed in coverage... Whoops

TigeRRUppeRRcut
12-01-2016, 01:12 PM
And reek catches the ball in both scenarios, tipped or not. His ability to track is phenomenal

DJ's left nut
12-01-2016, 01:13 PM
One option is to go no huddle earlier. Alex seems more effective with pace and he can work off less of a script.

But I agree much of the problem would still be mental. We can debate all we want about this one read on this one play, but it sure seems that Alex presses on passes in late games that he'd be too afraid to throw earlier in the game. Don't know how many times in a game I saw him flinch as if he was going to throw, then pull back and take a sack a few seconds later. I wish we could turn that switch off but I doubt we can.

His first throw downfield in the last drive of regulation (to Kelce, IIRC) looked like a little kid getting his training wheels taken off.

He really seemed terrified but then just let it fly anyway. Ever see a kid when he peddles for a bit and is wobbly as all hell but doesn't fall down? That was that throw. "Holy shit - I'm doing it, I'M DOING IT!!!!"

I feel like he clutched 3 times before he let that ball go. Maybe it's less like a kid on a bike and more like a toddler taking his first steps without having a hand on a table. He just did not want to take that hand off until he decided 'eh, I guess I'm pot committed now, might as well..."

I'm still pretty floored by how awful he was until that last drive of regulation. It was bad enough that I refuse to believe it was all his fault - NOBODY can be that bad on their own. Of course he was a big part of it, but he had help from Reid, IMO.

DJ's left nut
12-01-2016, 01:17 PM
If Smith is given 1 on 1 coverage then you stick with the intended target and trust them to run the route. Historically, Smith is most accurate throwing middle or left.

Now if a safety is playing in coverage then you go thru your reads.

This scenario is much much different than the Tampa interception where Reid admitted it was a one read play designed to draw the safety in to stop Ware, except the safety stayed in coverage... Whoops

Also, since he locks his front leg a little and it was a 3-step drop, the ball will come out just a heartbeat quicker and with a tick more velocity to his left.

Hadn't really thought about the mechanics of his feet there, but the short drop and bang/bang timing may have made the left side the best side in the event he gets the same look in both directions. If he goes right, he has to reset at the back of his drop to take his left foot back over his right and fire. It's just a little more cumbersome.

Not a big deal in the grand scheme but when your look is the same both directions, its just one more consideration.

TripleThreat
12-01-2016, 01:17 PM
I never noticed Kelce so open - sheesh...

Same, However Someone I think that is smarter than me on the subject of football, since when i played in highschool I played LB and sucked at offense, said that our play was a one-read play, which I remember alex doing this EXACT throw with the 49ers in that crazy playoff game with the ballin saints, so I wonder if Reid and Co went to alex's bread and butter. But yeah kelce was wide open I said that a few pages back, but I also think it was like another said, the matchups were alot more favorable for the Hill throw, since Talib was on kelce.

DJ's left nut
12-01-2016, 01:22 PM
Same, However Someone I think that is smarter than me on the subject of football, since when i played in highschool I played LB and sucked at offense, said that our play was a one-read play, which I remember alex doing this EXACT throw with the 49ers in that crazy playoff game with the ballin saints, so I wonder if Reid and Co went to alex's bread and butter. But yeah kelce was wide open I said that a few pages back, but I also think it was like another said, the matchups were alot more favorable for the Hill throw, since Talib was on kelce.

I wish I could see where Talib was lined up. Perhaps he was shading inside more (though he sure ate shit on that little shimmy that Kelce likes to throw at guys; bit HARD on the possible out).

Another thing to look at is that jab step that Hill gave Roby - shit that's a thing of beauty. Roby's actually shading him inside just a tick but when Hill makes his break he gives a hard shoulder fake and outside jab step to break in. It doesn't fool Roby much but it's just enough to essentially put them square. At that point, Hill's athleticism just beats Roby's.

Man, the more I watch Hill closely, the more I understand why he's earning trust from Reid and Smith. He does a lot of the little things right and with very little experience.

TimBone
12-01-2016, 01:29 PM
shut up, just because you like the quarterback of your favorite team, doesnt make you an alex fan, the said person is still a chief fan. This shit is getting really old...

better sentence structure would be I dont ever want to hear anyone mention that alex's interception against the Buc's was tipped.... Rather than making your stupid ass sentence immediately an argument with the "alex fan" comment.
Except you showed up when Alex showed up. Pushed that 9er jersey to the back of your closet. Thats not a Chiefs fan.

TripleThreat
12-01-2016, 01:29 PM
I wish I could see where Talib was lined up. Perhaps he was shading inside more (though he sure ate shit on that little shimmy that Kelce likes to throw at guys; bit HARD on the possible out).

Another thing to look at is that jab step that Hill gave Roby - shit that's a thing of beauty. Roby's actually shading him inside just a tick but when Hill makes his break he gives a hard shoulder fake and outside jab step to break in. It doesn't fool Roby much but it's just enough to essentially put them square. At that point, Hill's athleticism just beats Roby's.

Man, the more I watch Hill closely, the more I understand why he's earning trust from Reid and Smith. He does a lot of the little things right and with very little experience.

Yeah the kids a BEAST, I want to say hes better than sproles is/was, and if hes not, he will definitely be bettter than sproles ever was after a year or two max.

jettio
12-01-2016, 01:33 PM
It was shotgun formation. Considering the pass rush, Alex would not have had any time to watch Hill and Kelce and decide who to throw to.

If he looked to Kelce, it looks like it would have been a makeable TD, but Alex would have needed different footwork and you never know how that would have impacted the pass rush and sight lines for the throw.

It was a safe play to throw to Hill, the only risk was completion short of goal line, that almost happened, but the linesman and the umpire did a terrible job of getting the ball ready for play. that ball should have been set with 5 seconds on the clock considering that it was a three yard completion and Tyreek Hill handed the ball to the linesman.

The QB has to watch the ball to catch the snap from center. If you are at the 3 yd. line down by 8 and Wade Phillips is D-coordinator who knows he can not lose game on the play if he sends pressure, you are not likely to run a play that does not have a presnap decision.

mikeyis4dcats.
12-01-2016, 01:40 PM
It was shotgun formation. Considering the pass rush, Alex would not have had any time to watch Hill and Kelce and decide who to throw to.

If he looked to Kelce, it looks like it would have been a makeable TD, but Alex would have needed different footwork and you never know how that would have impacted the pass rush and sight lines for the throw.

It was a safe play to throw to Hill, the only risk was completion short of goal line, that almost happened, but the linesman and the umpire did a terrible job of getting the ball ready for play. that ball should have been set with 5 seconds on the clock considering that it was a three yard completion and Tyreek Hill handed the ball to the linesman.

The QB has to watch the ball to catch the snap from center. If you are at the 3 yd. line down by 8 and Wade Phillips is D-coordinator who knows he can not lose game on the play if he sends pressure, you are not likely to run a play that does not have a presnap decision.

The re-set took so long because everyone but I think the ref at the sideline thought it was a touchdown and wasn't in a hurry.

DJ's left nut
12-01-2016, 01:46 PM
It was shotgun formation. Considering the pass rush, Alex would not have had any time to watch Hill and Kelce and decide who to throw to.

If he looked to Kelce, it looks like it would have been a makeable TD, but Alex would have needed different footwork and you never know how that would have impacted the pass rush and sight lines for the throw.

It was a safe play to throw to Hill, the only risk was completion short of goal line, that almost happened, but the linesman and the umpire did a terrible job of getting the ball ready for play. that ball should have been set with 5 seconds on the clock considering that it was a three yard completion and Tyreek Hill handed the ball to the linesman.

The QB has to watch the ball to catch the snap from center. If you are at the 3 yd. line down by 8 and Wade Phillips is D-coordinator who knows he can not lose game on the play if he sends pressure, you are not likely to run a play that does not have a presnap decision.

Forgot it was shotgun; that's just a one step and throw then. Makes the left side even more desireable rather than having to take that crow hop to get your shoulders turned.

Starting to come together a bit...

DJ's left nut
12-01-2016, 01:48 PM
Yeah the kids a BEAST, I want to say hes better than sproles is/was, and if hes not, he will definitely be bettter than sproles ever was after a year or two max.

I thought all the 'why can't he be Antonio Brown?' stuff was ridiculous and frankly I still do.

That said, there's some innate stuff I see when I really watch him (which I've avoided doing as most of you can recall that I really dislike having the guy) that suggests that he's a pretty natural, instinctive player.

If that's the case, his ceiling is much closer to that level than I ever dared consider. Damn there is some impressive stuff on that play.

Urc Burry
12-01-2016, 02:10 PM
I thought all the 'why can't he be Antonio Brown?' stuff was ridiculous and frankly I still do.

That said, there's some innate stuff I see when I really watch him (which I've avoided doing as most of you can recall that I really dislike having the guy) that suggests that he's a pretty natural, instinctive player.

If that's the case, his ceiling is much closer to that level than I ever dared consider. Damn there is some impressive stuff on that play.

I personally hate everything Skip Bayless and i have never liked Michael Lombardi.. That said Lombardi said something the show that I can get down with... high praise from a former front office guy
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Tyreek Hill is a better Percy Harvin.&quot; — <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardifoxtv">@mlombardifoxtv</a> on the Chiefs&#39; standout rookie <a href="https://t.co/x48bAUEkp4">pic.twitter.com/x48bAUEkp4</a></p>&mdash; UNDISPUTED (@undisputed) <a href="https://twitter.com/undisputed/status/803272672868110336">November 28, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Chief Pagan
12-01-2016, 02:28 PM
How cool would it be if they had helmet cam's and used them in games for situations like this? I really wish Hill had a camera on his helmet so I could see what he saw on that pass.

They have tried it before. Put a camera on Deion Sanders. The image jerks around so much you can't tell jack by watching it. Maybe modern technology could smooth it out and make it useful.

Pasta Little Brioni
12-01-2016, 02:29 PM
Roby blows, so I don't blame him for attacking the turd

ThaVirus
12-01-2016, 02:32 PM
Interesting. I hadn't noticed that the pass was tipped either. Since it was, there couldn't have been PI. I wonder if the refs were just letting them play or if they actually saw the tip.

Not surprising to see Kelce so wide open either. Dude is consistently open. Like, all the fucking time which is why I'd advocating "forcing" the ball to him more often.

stumppy
12-01-2016, 02:36 PM
THANK YOU DONCOS #93, CRICK, DE, for making this win possible.

pugsnotdrugs19
12-01-2016, 02:53 PM
I'm betting this was Alex's choice of who to throw to. They are the same route combos. Take a look at the defense and pick Kelce or Hill.

I don't really blame Alex for picking Hill with the way Kelce was dropping the ball against Denver. In hindsight, he can remember this for when it is ran again, but in that moment it wasn't a bad idea.

pugsnotdrugs19
12-01-2016, 02:55 PM
Not surprising to see Kelce so wide open either. Dude is consistently open. Like, all the ****ing time which is why I'd advocating "forcing" the ball to him more often.

The pick route got him that open this time, but I would venture to say he is one of the 2 best route running TEs in the league, and maybe the best. Olsen is right there.

mdchiefsfan
12-01-2016, 03:00 PM
I think without the tip the pass would've better led Hill. The ball coming toward the defender made Hill slow down and put the defender on Hill's back.

I don't know how it would've played out without all of the intricacies involved, but I was stunned by what had to occur to get that TD.

DJ's left nut
12-01-2016, 03:09 PM
The pick route got him that open this time, but I would venture to say he is one of the 2 best route running TEs in the league, and maybe the best. Olsen is right there.

The outside feign got him open this time. Wilson didn't get into Talib at all, Talib just bit hard on a possible out route.

jettio
12-01-2016, 04:07 PM
The re-set took so long because everyone but I think the ref at the sideline thought it was a touchdown and wasn't in a hurry.

Agreed and he delayed raising his hand signaling his call.

RobBlake
12-01-2016, 04:19 PM
Fans are so fucking annoying. Armchair qbing should be a profession for some of you. Alex could have chose Kielce or hill as they ran the same route. Alex chose hill. If the ball is tipped then it's not Pi.

RobBlake
12-01-2016, 04:24 PM
Yeah the kids a BEAST, I want to say hes better than sproles is/was, and if hes not, he will definitely be bettter than sproles ever was after a year or two max.

Better than sproles? Not yet. Sproles is one the leagues best utility guy that can do it all.

arrwheader
12-01-2016, 05:32 PM
Looks like if it wasn't tipped it would have been out in front BUT Hills fast and could have still caught it. Hill had his eye on the ball the whole time and was adjusting to its trajectory. I think had it not been tipped he would have been able to get there, at least there was a chance. That being said wow, it fell in perfect position though. If the pass wasn't low then it wouldn't have been caught most likely.

Messier
12-01-2016, 05:43 PM
I don't think Smith had time to change to Kelce. One more second and he's in trouble.

Red Dawg
12-01-2016, 06:04 PM
That has been Smith all year. Miss the wide open guy. When tried to throw sideway to West earler in the drive Kelce basicly faked his block and was open all
day but Smith chucked it towards West instead of letting the play develope. He makes up his mind so fast he misses guys every game.

scho63
12-01-2016, 06:26 PM
Aside from the fact that Alex is gaining NO YARDS running the ball this year, he is missing wide open receivers 2-3 times a game.

Spott
12-01-2016, 07:28 PM
I hate to say it, but the refs were on the ball on that play. Not only did they review the play and make a tough call on the road that was the correct one, but they also had the balls to go against the NFL bylaws by making a call that goes against the donkeys. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they saw the tip and that was the reason that they didn't call PI.

Chiefshrink
12-01-2016, 08:11 PM
Thankfully he caught it

Yes, because if it was incomplete then to many others points about Kelce being wide open all of the KC fan base would be up AS and Reid's ass STILL TO THIS MOMENT !!!

Chiefshrink
12-01-2016, 08:13 PM
Aside from the fact that Alex is gaining NO YARDS running the ball this year, he is missing wide open receivers 2-3 times a game.

PTSD man. He is not used to it.:D But to your point his legs might be the key this weekend against the Birds.

Chiefshrink
12-01-2016, 08:17 PM
I personally hate everything Skip Bayless and i have never liked Michael Lombardi.. That said Lombardi said something the show that I can get down with... high praise from a former front office guy
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Tyreek Hill is a better Percy Harvin.&quot; — <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardifoxtv">@mlombardifoxtv</a> on the Chiefs&#39; standout rookie <a href="https://t.co/x48bAUEkp4">pic.twitter.com/x48bAUEkp4</a></p>&mdash; UNDISPUTED (@undisputed) <a href="https://twitter.com/undisputed/status/803272672868110336">November 28, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tyreek has a muscled physique that gives him power and you are not going to arm tackle this guy either. And even better Tyreek has not shown that he is a DIVA just yet like Harvin did. Hopefully "The Freak's" character continues on the straight and narrow.:clap:

Easy 6
12-01-2016, 08:21 PM
Tyreek Hill is a faster Steve Smith, he is going to push for #1 duties very soon

Forget about height... this kid plays much bigger than he is, runs solid routes, has great hands, and of course has speed coming out of his ears

Dorsey crushed a homer out of Kauffman on this pick

TigeRRUppeRRcut
12-01-2016, 10:02 PM
Also, since he locks his front leg a little and it was a 3-step drop, the ball will come out just a heartbeat quicker and with a tick more velocity to his left.

Hadn't really thought about the mechanics of his feet there, but the short drop and bang/bang timing may have made the left side the best side in the event he gets the same look in both directions. If he goes right, he has to reset at the back of his drop to take his left foot back over his right and fire. It's just a little more cumbersome.

Not a big deal in the grand scheme but when your look is the same both directions, its just one more consideration.

Yea he does that goofy locked leg in extension. Which would explain his preference to follow thru to the left. I think he tried to correct this a few years back but didn't make much progress with it. Hard to break old habits

KChiefs1
12-01-2016, 10:24 PM
Yep. We essentially lost the Tampa Bay game on a one read play.



Yep




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