Will KC get honest officiating if Oakland loses on Saturday?

[BlackOp]

There is a lot at stake for the NFL..and it's bid to manufacture a winner if Luck keeps his hot hand.

Chiefs game will be played on Sunday...the day after. If KC wins, they regain the #2 seed. Denver loses and the week #17 (vs. Raiders) game becomes less profitable.

If both Oakland and KC lose...its a win for the advertisers. Donkos stay relevant for another week.

Every scenario is a bad situation for The Chiefs. Unfortunately...in the era where profit trumps fair play...this is a legitimate concern.

The whole world saw the depths they will go for the Raiders in Mexico...

[Simply Red]

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[Chief Northman]

If you are all-in on your conspiracies, I don't get why you think an Indy win factors into anything. They are all but eliminated from the playoffs, and likely need to win out plus have Tenn. and Houston lose and/or tie along the line in both their games. Denver cannot surpass KC regardless, but they have a slim shot at the #6 seed.

If Oakland loses, it is to make the #2 seed race come down to week 17. That means KC wins on Christmas. I hope this is the case.

[New World Order]

SR always gives good advice.

[TribalElder]

Raiders are winning the west
they need stadium money

Chiefs fans will pay no matter what so it's ok

[Simply Red]

SR always gives good advice.

not one of my better photo's - but I'm super god damned pissed in it!

[Chief Northman]

Raiders are winning the west
they need stadium money

Chiefs fans will pay no matter what so it's ok

I think the Chiefs win the West.

Raiders get the 5 seed.

Raiders go to Houston/Tenn and win.
Chiefs on bye.

Raiders go to NE and avenge the Tuck rule game.
Chiefs lose to Pittsburgh at home. Everyone on CP melts down about curse/Smith/Reid, etc.

Raiders lose to Pittsburgh in AFCG.
Pittsburgh loses to Dallas in the Superbowl.
League profits.

[Bowser]

not one of my better photo's - but I'm super god damned pissed in it!

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[BlackOp]

not one of my better photo's - but I'm super god damned pissed in it!

Nothing wrong with being pissed...just be sure it directed at the proper source.

I dont care what anyone says...I'm right about this. Sucks...ruining something I loved since childhood.

Awareness will force a change...

[BlackOp]

If you are all-in on your conspiracies, I don't get why you think an Indy win factors into anything. They are all but eliminated from the playoffs, and likely need to win out plus have Tenn. and Houston lose and/or tie along the line in both their games. Denver cannot surpass KC regardless, but they have a slim shot at the #6 seed.

If Oakland loses, it is to make the #2 seed race come down to week 17. That means KC wins on Christmas. I hope this is the case.

Indy doesn't matter...but if Luck is on his game, he will shred the Raiders crappy defense. Manufacturing a winner was in regard to this season and Oakland. NFL was universally touting them before the first kick-off, they were a 7-9 team with no real reason for every talking head to drool over them. That's when I became suspicious.....and it has taken 3 terribly officiated games for them to get to 11-3. I've been watching this play out. They should be an 8-6 team...mild improvement from last season... which is reasonable. Raiders literally have been handed 3 wins.... that's not conspiracy when you trace how it has happened...and a stadium deal looming. It's corruption.

Did you not see the Houston game where they marked the ball short THREE times in a row. I had never seen that before. Three times says it's deliberate... It was a crucial moment in the game. They even reviewed it..and let it stand. It was remarkable.

Keep in mind...I didnt know of the stadium deal when I first smelled a rat. It all made sense when I found out...

[Mile High Mania]

Wait, Denver in it's current state and staying relevant for another week is a win for advertisers? Outstanding!

[wazu]

The current most likely script is this weekend Raiders lose, Chiefs win. Then next week Raiders win, Chiefs lose 19-17.

[Mile High Mania]

I think Michael Hayes and Dusty Rhodes are reworking this angle as we type...

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Colts will know the outcome of the Titans/Jags game before they head into their afternoon game.

[Fish]

Something, something.... new world order, Illuminati, Rothchilds, Federal Reserve, UFOs... Connect the dots, wake up sheeple!!

[wazu]

Colts will know the outcome of the Titans/Jags game before they head into their afternoon game.

Alex sucks.

[Molitoth]

Good teams overcome bad officiating.

[cosmo20002]

There is a lot at stake for the NFL..and it's bid to manufacture a winner if Luck keeps his hot hand.

Chiefs game will be played on Sunday...the day after. If KC wins, they regain the #2 seed. Denver loses and the week #17 (vs. Raiders) game becomes less profitable.

If both Oakland and KC lose...its a win for the advertisers. Donkos stay relevant for another week.

Every scenario is a bad situation for The Chiefs. Unfortunately...in the era where profit trumps fair play...this is a legitimate concern.

The whole world saw the depths they will go for the Raiders in Mexico...

dumb

[DaFace]

This is getting kind of sad.

[Reerun_KC]

The factory of sadness continues....

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Turn loose of it.

[NJChiefsFan]

Raiders are winning the west
they need stadium money

Chiefs fans will pay no matter what so it's ok

Yet KC controlled it's own destiny. Did the refs force DAT to be a lazy fool, or our oline to not block? Or did they call the timeout for Andy? Because unless they controlled all of that we would have won without our own mistakes.

[carcosa]

if the NFL controls outcomes why did they let Joe Flacco win a Super Bowl

[wazu]

if the NFL controls outcomes why did they let Joe Flacco win a Super Bowl

Funny that you bring up a game where the power went out in the stadium for 40 minutes and completely reversed momentum.

[Reerun_KC]

if the NFL controls outcomes why did they let Joe Flacco win a Super Bowl

Because of Ray Lewis....

[Reerun_KC]

Good teams overcome bad officiating.

Bad teams overcome good officiating...

[Amnorix]

Funny that you bring up a game where the power went out in the stadium for 40 minutes and completely reversed momentum.


And yet the Ravens won anyway. And if the NFL really wanted to fix a game, or even make the game more interesting/competitive, you think that turning off the power and praying for a shift in momentum is how it would do it?

Ridiculously far-fetched conspiracy theory there. Also not the first time a major professional league saw a power outage in a championship game. But because the Bruins weren't ever going to beat the Gretzky-led Oilers, who cares about that one.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/throwback/201505/remembering-when-power-outage-shut-down-stanley-cup-finals

[scho63]

I think the Chiefs win the West.

Raiders get the 5 seed.

Raiders go to Houston/Tenn and win.
Chiefs on bye.

Raiders go to NE and avenge the Tuck rule game.
Chiefs lose to Pittsburgh at home. Everyone on CP melts down about curse/Smith/Reid, etc.

Raiders lose to Pittsburgh in AFCG.
Pittsburgh loses to Dallas in the Superbowl.
League profits.

I would probably commit Hari Kari if this exact scenario played out. :shake:

[carcosa]

I think the Chiefs win the West.

Raiders get the 5 seed.

Raiders go to Houston/Tenn and win.
Chiefs on bye.

Raiders go to NE and avenge the Tuck rule game.
Chiefs lose to Pittsburgh at home. Everyone on CP melts down about curse/Smith/Reid, etc.

Raiders lose to Pittsburgh in AFCG.
Pittsburgh loses to Dallas in the Superbowl.
League profits.

I don't think the Raiders can beat the Patriots.

[wazu]

And yet the Ravens won anyway. And if the NFL really wanted to fix a game, or even make the game more interesting/competitive, you think that turning off the power and praying for a shift in momentum is how it would do it?

Ridiculously far-fetched conspiracy theory there. Also not the first time a major professional league saw a power outage in a championship game. But because the Bruins weren't ever going to beat the Gretzky-led Oilers, who cares about that one.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/throwback/201505/remembering-when-power-outage-shut-down-stanley-cup-finals

The momentum shift stopped the 49ers, who were rolling at that point. And no, I don't think it was a conspiracy. Just an interesting choice to choose that bizarre game as evidence that games aren't fixed.

[Easy Street]

Lol. So delusional.

[carcosa]

The momentum shift stopped the 49ers, who were rolling at that point. And no, I don't think it was a conspiracy. Just an interesting choice to choose that bizarre game as evidence that games aren't fixed.

I'm not choosing that game as evidence so much as making the point that Joe Flacco is possibly the least marketable QB of all time, so it would be weird if the NFL conspired to help him win

[Mecca]

If you are all-in on your conspiracies, I don't get why you think an Indy win factors into anything. They are all but eliminated from the playoffs, and likely need to win out plus have Tenn. and Houston lose and/or tie along the line in both their games. Denver cannot surpass KC regardless, but they have a slim shot at the #6 seed.

If Oakland loses, it is to make the #2 seed race come down to week 17. That means KC wins on Christmas. I hope this is the case.

Actually a guy who believes the NFL is rigged and scripted thinks the Colts are going to make a run and go to the playoffs...since before the season he's been saying the "numbers" say this year is a Colts/Giants or Pats/Giants Bowl but he's certain Colts are going to the playoffs.

[ptlyon]

I think the Chiefs win the West.

Raiders get the 5 seed.

Raiders go to Houston/Tenn and win.
Chiefs on bye.

Raiders go to NE and avenge the Tuck rule game.
Chiefs lose to Pittsburgh at home. Everyone on CP melts down about curse/Smith/Reid, etc.

Raiders lose to Pittsburgh in AFCG.
Pittsburgh loses to Dallas in the Superbowl.
League profits.

Q

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=12617549&postcount=30

[NWTF]

There is a lot at stake for the NFL..and it's bid to manufacture a winner if Luck keeps his hot hand.

Chiefs game will be played on Sunday...the day after. If KC wins, they regain the #2 seed. Denver loses and the week #17 (vs. Raiders) game becomes less profitable.

If both Oakland and KC lose...its a win for the advertisers. Donkos stay relevant for another week.

Every scenario is a bad situation for The Chiefs. Unfortunately...in the era where profit trumps fair play...this is a legitimate concern.

The whole world saw the depths they will go for the Raiders in Mexico...

If they are trying to manufacture Oakland into a winner they are doing an excellent job of hiding it with penalties. They may have gotten some missed calls (houston game) along the way but overall they look like an up and coming team that has gotten better whether you like it or not.

They set the record for penalties against the Bucs and lead the league overall. http://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html

If the Chiefs dont get the 2 seed back its their own damn fault by blowing it, not some conspiracy to screw them over.

[Mecca]

If they are trying to manufacture Oakland into a winner they are doing an excellent job of hiding it with penalties. They may have gotten some missed calls (houston game) along the way but overall they look like an up and coming team that has gotten better whether you like it or not.

They set the record for penalties against the Bucs and lead the league overall. http://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html

If the Chiefs dont get the 2 seed back its their own damn fault by blowing it, not some conspiracy to screw them over.

It's not about the number of penalties it's the time in which they are called...

[BlackOp]

It's not about the number of penalties it's the time in which they are called...

Exactly...The game against NO, it was 4th down with game on the line. Carr sails the ball 3 feet over the WR head...next to the sideline. Game was over...but an official 30 feet away calls a late PI. The one standing 8 feet away didn't. It was terrible...there cant be a penalty on an uncatchable pass.

That, with the horrible Houston officiating is why Oakland is leading the division.

The is no chance the review booth didn't see Houston set a first down. ZERO. Everyone watching that game saw it.

[carcosa]

Occam's Razor would suggest that refs are actually just really shitty at their jobs

[BlackOp]

Occam's Razor would suggest that refs are actually just really shitty at their jobs

Occam's Razor would suggest that a new stadium deal/$200 million in free tax dollars would influence outcomes. It's the simplest choice.

[Fish]

Occam's Razor would suggest that a new stadium deal/$200 million tax dollars would influence outcomes.

LMAO..... Clearly you don't know what Occam's Razor means.

[BlackOp]

Occam's Razor would suggest that refs are actually just really shitty at their jobs

LMAO..... Clearly you don't know what Occam's Razor means.

Oh, but I do...corporations are greed driven buy their very nature/existence. I will take true nature as the simplest outcome.

I wont go into the details of having the biggest power players in Vegas brokering this deal. They are good, honest people...casino magnets. An 8-8 Raiders team...that has sucked for 15 years is much harder to sell.

[lawrenceRaider]

It's not about the number of penalties it's the time in which they are called...

If they are trying to manufacture Oakland into a winner they are doing an excellent job of hiding it with penalties. They may have gotten some missed calls (houston game) along the way but overall they look like an up and coming team that has gotten better whether you like it or not.

They set the record for penalties against the Bucs and lead the league overall. http://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html

If the Chiefs dont get the 2 seed back its their own damn fault by blowing it, not some conspiracy to screw them over.

Exactly...The game against NO, it was 4th down with game on the line. Carr sails the ball 3 feet over the WR head...next to the sideline. Game was over...but an official 30 feet away calls a late PI. The one standing 8 feet away didn't. It was terrible...there cant be a penalty on an uncatchable pass.

That, with the horrible Houston officiating is why Oakland is leading the division.

The is no chance the review booth didn't see Houston set a first down. ZERO. Everyone watching that game saw it.

Some people really need to get their meds checked. Raiders as beneficiaries of an NFL conspiracy to get them into the playoffs. Now I've REALLY heard everything. Mecca and BlackOp really need to get out of the basement more often and set their tin foil hats aside.

[carcosa]

Oh, but I do...corporations are greed driven buy their very nature/existence. I will take true nature as the simplest outcome.

damn, they're even forcing typos that get us to spend more money!!!!

[Opoponax]

If they are trying to manufacture Oakland into a winner they are doing an excellent job of hiding it with penalties. They may have gotten some missed calls (houston game) along the way but overall they look like an up and coming team that has gotten better whether you like it or not.

They set the record for penalties against the Bucs and lead the league overall.

If the Chiefs dont get the 2 seed back its their own damn fault by blowing it, not some conspiracy to screw them over.

Beat me to it. The idea that one of the most penalized, if not the most penalized team since they came into existence, is suddenly getting help from the refs in the same season they got flagged for 200+ yards in one game is truly head-up-ass material.

The alleged spider-wire incident of a few weeks ago is a mathematical proof by comparison.

For a penalty to be decisive, the beneficiary has to not only do something with it; they already had to have been in a position to do something with it.

As for fixing, it does the NFL zero good. Something like a Raiders-Cowboys Superbowl would indeed draw huge ratings. But a fixing scandal following it would bury the NFL; there might be a Superbowl the year after, but it would be held at a fairly large high school with the appropriate halftime entertainment of 9th graders butchering Stars and Stripes Forever while grandma shot video and posted in on Youtube.

[lawrenceRaider]

Oh, but I do...corporations are greed driven buy their very nature/existence. I will take true nature as the simplest outcome.

While you completely ignore the hoard of calls that went against Oakland, similar PI calls to the one you are sure is evidence the NFL wanted Oakland to beat NO against Oakland late in games abound.

You are the polar opposite to Occam's Razor with your reasoning and the twisted route you are taking to get to your conclusion.

[Eureka]

Wait, you mean to tell me the most penalized team in the league this year who broke a record for most penalties in a game is going to receive favors from the refs/NFL?

The Raiders have been the most penalized team 30+ years running.

[Opoponax]

Exactly...The game against NO, it was 4th down with game on the line. Carr sails the ball 3 feet over the WR head...next to the sideline. Game was over...but an official 30 feet away calls a late PI. The one standing 8 feet away didn't. It was terrible...there cant be a penalty on an uncatchable pass.

That, with the horrible Houston officiating is why Oakland is leading the division.

The is no chance the review booth didn't see Houston set a first down. ZERO. Everyone watching that game saw it.

So surely you know about the league's conspiracy to make the Patriots the Superbowl winner following 9/11? You're all over the "Tuck Rule" call that took that playoff game from the Raiders and handed it to New England, right?

Right?

[Fish]

Oh, but I do...corporations are greed driven buy their very nature/existence. I will take true nature as the simplest outcome.

Nope. You're a goofy conspiracy theorist, so I'll help you out. Occam's Razor states that when there are multiple competing hypotheses, the simplest one is correct more often than not. Which is the opposite of what you're doing here. The simplest hypothesis here is that refs are just shitty and inconsistent. That's an exponentially simpler hypothesis than your claims of vast conspiracy to rig games. You should be able to see that. Yet you dismiss that simple hypothesis, and prefer complex absurd theories that would be impossible to actually implement. You're forgoing critical thought and falling down the rabbit hole simply because it presents a more exciting scenario. And the real kicker is that in doing so, you believe yourself to be more enlightened and observant of patterns that others are missing. When it truth you're the one not thinking outside of the box you've established for yourself.

[Chief Pagan]

I'm not choosing that game as evidence so much as making the point that Joe Flacco is possibly the least marketable QB of all time, so it would be weird if the NFL conspired to help him win


:hmmm:

[carcosa]

:hmmm:

lmao

Dilfer has proven himself to be a TV star though!!!!!

[Mr. Laz]

fuck no, when have we ever


Kansas city is considered a 'flyover state and a flyover football team'


no one gives a single shit about the Chiefs in the NFL outside of their fan base

[cosmo20002]

There is a lot at stake for the NFL..and it's bid to manufacture a winner if Luck keeps his hot hand.

Chiefs game will be played on Sunday...the day after. If KC wins, they regain the #2 seed. Denver loses and the week #17 (vs. Raiders) game becomes less profitable.

If both Oakland and KC lose...its a win for the advertisers. Donkos stay relevant for another week.


Sure, because the NFL and advertisers know that moar Trevor Siemian = RATINGS GOLDLMAO

[cosmo20002]

Yet KC controlled it's own destiny. Did the refs force DAT to be a lazy fool, or our oline to not block? Or did they call the timeout for Andy? Because unless they controlled all of that we would have won without our own mistakes.

DAT, the o-line, Ware, and Andy...THEY'RE ALL IN ON IT!

[cosmo20002]

I would probably commit Hari Kari if this exact scenario played out. :shake:

[crosses fingers]

[Nzoner]

So the three consecutive should have been 1st downs for Houston in the Mexico City game are just bad officiating?Especially when one play was ruled where the knee was down and not the spot of the ball?

Just asking because three days later Phil Simms in the Thanksgiving game said "well Jim everyone knows it's where the ball is,not the players body."

[cosmo20002]

I'm not choosing that game as evidence so much as making the point that Joe Flacco is possibly the least marketable QB of all time, so it would be weird if the NFL conspired to help him win

This has been discussed other "NFL is rigged" threads. The nutjob consensus seems to be that the big story was it being the last game for Ray Lewis, so sending him out winner = RATINGS GOLD.

Doesn't make much sense to me, especially since having young star Kaep win the SB would have been a much better marketing angle, and a new star they could hype going into the next season.

[lawrenceRaider]

So the three consecutive should have been 1st downs for Houston in the Mexico City game are just bad officiating?Especially when one play was ruled where the knee was down and not the spot of the ball?

Just asking because three days later Phil Simms in the Thanksgiving game said "well Jim everyone knows it's where the ball is,not the players body."

It was really one play that had the ball spotted really poorly, and that was on 3rd down. The refs spotted it a yard and a half short at a minimum. Texans should have challenged that spot, and they likely would have won the challenge. 4th down wasn't all that bad a spot, unless you are looking for a conspiracy. Watching the replay it looked pretty near spot on. Of course if you watched that whole game the refs were spotting the ball short on both teams most of the night. Raiders missed at least one first down because of the terrible spots.

[carcosa]

This has been discussed other "NFL is rigged" threads. The nutjob consensus seems to be that the big story was it being the last game for Ray Lewis, so sending him out winner = RATINGS GOLD.

Doesn't make much sense to me, especially since having young star Kaep win the SB would have been a much better marketing angle, and a new star they could hype going into the next season.

Plus, like... Ray Lewis isn't exactly the most well-liked NFL player around, y'know?

[Mecca]

This has been discussed other "NFL is rigged" threads. The nutjob consensus seems to be that the big story was it being the last game for Ray Lewis, so sending him out winner = RATINGS GOLD.

Doesn't make much sense to me, especially since having young star Kaep win the SB would have been a much better marketing angle, and a new star they could hype going into the next season.

The NFL only likes stars that toe the line and shut the fuck up, hence Cam Newton being put in his place at the moment.

[Mr. Laz]

The NFL only likes stars that toe the line and shut the fuck up, hence Cam Newton being put in his place at the moment.
Is 'toe the line' some new code for murder?

[GoChargers]

The momentum shift stopped the 49ers, who were rolling at that point.

No it didn't. The Ravens were up 28-6 and had just taken the opening kickoff of the second half to the house before the power went out. The Niners outscored the Ravens 25-13 after the power outage.

[GoChargers]

This has been discussed other "NFL is rigged" threads. The nutjob consensus seems to be that the big story was it being the last game for Ray Lewis, so sending him out winner = RATINGS GOLD.

That "conspiracy" makes no sense. The Niners backed into that Super Bowl because the refs didn't call their blatant holding on Roddy White. They then got plenty of beneficial treatment from the refs in the Super Bowl itself. For instance, David Akers flopped his way into a redo after shanking a field goal during the Niners' post-power-outage comeback. I seem to recall a blatant late hit out of bounds on Flacco down the stretch of the game that went uncalled too, as well as plenty of uncalled grabbing and holding against Torrey Smith. Man, the NFL must really suck at rigging games.

[Pepe Silvia]

According to the you tube nutter videos the Colts are guaranteed to win SB 51 against the Giants in a 1958 NFL rematch of the Unitas/Ameche game.

[Nzoner]

According to the you tube nutter videos the Colts are guaranteed to win SB 51 against the Giants in a 1958 NFL rematch of the Unitas/Ameche game.

That would be great as I bet on the Colts to win it all back in March.

[RippedmyFlesh]

That would be great as I bet on the Colts to win it all back in March.

I just hope the colts win sat. God I hate to have to root for those assholes.

[redfan]

According to the you tube nutter videos the Colts are guaranteed to win SB 51 against the Giants in a 1958 NFL rematch of the Unitas/Ameche game.

:hmmm:
I think the Giants were 9-7 SB winners, still on the table for Indy
A win v Oak and this could get interesting

[NJChiefsFan]

So the three consecutive should have been 1st downs for Houston in the Mexico City game are just bad officiating?Especially when one play was ruled where the knee was down and not the spot of the ball?

Just asking because three days later Phil Simms in the Thanksgiving game said "well Jim everyone knows it's where the ball is,not the players body."

The Oakland Houston game was a disgrace but I still see it as just horrible officiating. Hell, if O'Brien wasn't a moron and challenged that 3rd down I believe it gets overturned easily. But the fool he is he waited for the 4th down to challenge. He challenges that third down and the game probably plays out differently.

[RippedmyFlesh]

I am to the point that I just expect kc to get screwed by refs . Doesn't even piss me off anymore because I see it so much. Hali, Houston Ford etc get held so much it's hard to watch sometimes.

[splatbass]

Occam's Razor would suggest that refs are actually just really shitty at their jobs

This. They need to make refs a full time job, and make them spend a lot more time training.

[splatbass]

Occam's Razor would suggest that a new stadium deal/$200 million in free tax dollars would influence outcomes. It's the simplest choice.

No, it isn't. Conspiracies on the level you claim are complicated. And hard to keep secret, because they need a lot of people in the know. It is far from the simplest choice.

[RippedmyFlesh]

This. They need to make refs a full time job, and make them spend a lot more time training.

A multibillion $ industry doesn't make some of their most important employees full time. They shouldn't moon light.

[BlackOp]

This. They need to make refs a full time job, and make them spend a lot more time training.

Full time refs changes absolutely nothing. All discrepancies are still handled internally, away from the media...and there is no threat of legal recourse. NFL can do what ever it wants, when ever it wants....they report to no one. The refs have to sign a gag order before accepting the job...they cant talk about anything that happens. Sounds legit...what could they possibly be exposed to for the NFL to threaten them for talking? They are f@cking referees...not tobacco scientists.

[splatbass]

Full time refs changes absolutely nothing. All discrepancies are handled internally away from the media...and there is no threat of legal recourse. NFL can do what ever it wants, when ever it wants. The refs have to sign a gag order before accepting the job...they cant talk about anything that happens. Sounds legit...

So? That is in no way evidence of rigging. You are taking 1+1 and making it into 5. Speculation masquerading as truth, suppositions based on your pre-conceived notions. Taking a little and filling in the blanks with your own fantasy is all you have.

[BlackOp]

So? That is in no way evidence of rigging. You are taking 1+1 and making it into 5. Speculation masquerading as truth, suppositions based on your pre-conceived notions. Taking a little and filling in the blanks with your own fantasy is all you have.

And you're blindly trusting a mutli-billion dollar, profit-driven industry with strong ties to the mob, created for the sole reason of skirting gambling laws...forcing gag orders on their referees.

I guess the Houston game wasn't enough for you...must be nice, believing.

[New World Order]

I just hope the colts win sat. God I hate to have to root for those assholes.


May have to root for Denver the following week.

*Shivers

[splatbass]

And you're blindly trusting a mutli-billion dollar, profit-driven industry with strong ties to the mob, created for the sole reason of skirting gambling laws...forcing gag orders on their referees.

I guess the Houston game wasn't enough for you...must be nice, believing.

No, I need actual evidence, not Dick Butkus' opinion and a baseball team from 107 years ago that got caught cheating. Or the fact that football, like all sports, is entertainment. You have nothing else except delusion.

[RippedmyFlesh]

May have to root for Denver the following week.

*Shivers

Well these past few years while denver has been good ive rooted for the raiders. Whatever is best for the chiefs is what i always root for no matter how much I may hate the team. Pulling for denver against ne was hard.

[splatbass]

Well these past few years while denver has been good ive rooted for the raiders. Whatever is best for the chiefs is what i always root for no matter how much I may hate the team. Pulling for denver against ne was hard.

I can root for Denver against the Raiders to help us win the division. Rooting for Denver to beat NE I couldn't do, because it would have put Denver back in contention. We aren't getting home field against NE anyway.

[RippedmyFlesh]

I can root for Denver against the Raiders to help us win the division. Rooting for Denver to beat NE I couldn't do, because it would have put Denver back in contention. We aren't getting home field against NE anyway.

That's true the #1 seed was a pipe dream. Now 2 is slipping away.

[ptlyon]

Is what it is. Reid gets cute anyways, plus seems to want to hold back "top secret mystery plays" until the SB he will never get back to again anyhow.

[carcosa]

This. They need to make refs a full time job, and make them spend a lot more time training.

Refs should be studying film every bit as much as coaches and players do.

[Simply Red]

http://i68.tinypic.com/246unmc.jpg

[ptlyon]

http://i68.tinypic.com/246unmc.jpg

Nice Raiders hat. Stick to eating Chinese.

[Simply Red]

Nice Raiders hat. Stick to eating Chinese.

It's not!

[ptlyon]

It's not!

Jets?

[Simply Red]

Jets?

yes Winnipeg

[Nzoner]

No, I need actual evidence, not Dick Butkus' opinion and a baseball team from 107 years ago that got caught cheating. Or the fact that football, like all sports, is entertainment. You have nothing else except delusion.

:shake:

I highly doubt you'll take the time to read the following article although you should if you're really interested in having a mature serious debate on this subject without reverting to name calling.

Let me make it PERFECTLY CLEAR it's not "actual hard evidence" and it's written by someone who DOES NOT BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES" yet they still took the time to try and see why some may believe such things.

Here's an excerpt from the article,you'll have to click on it to read the whole article which I hope you'll take the time to do.I remember watching this game with my best friend and both of us saying,"did you see that shit?"

For the record, I don’t think games are fixed and I certainly don’t think the end of the Chargers-Steelers game was some masterful plan to insure a San Diego cover. I think this was a massive mistake, but I highly doubt anyone got on the phone to the head ref to tell him to call the game a certain way. Too many jobs would be lost and I doubt it’s worth the risk.

But after watching everything play out, I can definitely see why people buy into conspiracy theories. And it’s too bad that this is mostly about gambling because the situation deserves to have some light shed on it. Instead, the mainstream media will bury the story because they want to remain hush-hush about the gambling world. (http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/11/17/end-of-chargers-steelers-game-a-black-eye-for-nfl/)