If you were buying a 4X4 Full size truck, what would you buy?

[Trivers]

Alas, the 2005 F150 with 175K miles has a dead transmission. $1.5K to $2K for a rebuild. Truck is worth maybe $5K to 6K.

SOOOOOOOOOOO........

Looking for 4X4 full size truck primarily to be used to haul around 225lbs of dog: two Great Danes......and light farm work.

Thinking 2014 or 2015 coming off of a lease.

What is your brand preference and why?

thanks!!

PS: Anybody want a broken 2005 F150? Make ya a great deal!!

[lewdog]

Buy something from Hometeam. I don't care what but make sure it's from him.

[Bwana]

I own a Ford truck and my company truck is a Chevy, both are good rigs.

If you buy a Dodge, you might want to get them to throw in a set of wheel chocks.

http://www.ktvq.com/story/34098192/feds-probing-dozens-of-reports-of-dodge-vehicle-roll-aways

[Chiefshrink]

Pay for an online subscription to Consumer Reports. They are a wealth of knowledge especially on trucks and autos. Well worth it. They are usually right on the mark.

[hometeam]

F-150 and its not close.

Last time I talked about this I was accused of something like pushing people to buy because thats what I sell. 15 years in this business and I see vehicles all day every day, eat, sleep breathe, vehicle values and market etc etc etc.

I no longer work for Ford.

Buy an F-150 (pre-owned you can get with me :P)

We deliver! Had a guy from Minnesota come down today and buy an F-250. Lets do something~

[MTG#10]

The 2017 raptors look badass

[hometeam]

With those dogs, the cab size on the F-150 is another deal maker.

[Great Expectations]

F150 is the best on the market. Tundra would be my second choice.

[jjjayb]

F-150 all the way. And yes, I am biased because I work at a Ford dealership. ;-)

[mlyonsd]

F-150 and its not close.

Last time I talked about this I was accused of something like pushing people to buy because thats what I sell. 15 years in this business and I see vehicles all day every day, eat, sleep breathe, vehicle values and market etc etc etc.

I no longer work for Ford.

Buy an F-150 (pre-owned you can get with me :P)

We deliver! Had a guy from Minnesota come down today and buy an F-250. Lets do something~
What have you got in Chevy's? I'm probably going to buy a truck in the next few weeks. I'll look at new first but am open to late model. Probably nothing older than 2013. Crew cab.

Have you got a website?

[displacedinMN]

I have a 2015 Ram Big Horn. Love it. It rode better than the Chevy because of the coil springs. Pushed the limits a little by hauling a fire pit in it. Still was fine. If you have money to spend, get the big model with the self leveling air bags.
Lots of room for the 5'10" kid in the back. Full size door.
My old neighbor has the diesel that can pull a trailer. It is beautiful. get a solid 13mpg going to AZ.

[hometeam]

What have you got in Chevy's? I'm probably going to buy a truck in the next few weeks. I'll look at new first but am open to late model. Probably nothing older than 2013. Crew cab.

Have you got a website?

Have some stuff, always changing.

www.jeffcityautoplex.com

[lewdog]

Have some stuff, always changing.

www.jeffcityautoplex.com

Wait, what are you doing now if not selling Fords? That website lists a lot of brands.

[SAUTO]

I have a 2015 Ram Big Horn. Love it. It rode better than the Chevy because of the coil springs. Pushed the limits a little by hauling a fire pit in it. Still was fine. If you have money to spend, get the big model with the self leveling air bags.
Lots of room for the 5'10" kid in the back. Full size door.
My old neighbor has the diesel that can pull a trailer. It is beautiful. get a solid 13mpg going to AZ.

My Chevy drives better than any dodge.And has struts and coil springs . It has over 40 inches of leg room in the back seat.

[Buehler445]

I'm a value guy.

In 2015 I bought a 2010 with 20,000 miles. In my experience, Depreciation happens more with years than it does miles. Example a 2015 with 40,000 miles will be the same or more money than a 2012 with 20,000 on comparable models. That's been my approach. Miles wear out vehicles, not sitting in a garage.

I'm a Chevy guy, but like I said, I'm driving an almost decade old vehicle, so I'm not the one to ask.

[SAUTO]

I'm a value guy.

In 2015 I bought a 2010 with 20,000 miles. In my experience, Depreciation happens more with years than it does miles. Example a 2015 with 40,000 miles will be the same or more money than a 2012 with 20,000. That's been my approach. Miles wear out vehicles, not sitting in a garage.

I'm a Chevy guy, but like I said, I'm driving an almost decade old vehicle, so I'm not the one to ask.

I'm gonna disagree a little here.


Sitting is terrible on them, ime.

[Buehler445]

I'm gonna disagree a little here.


Sitting is terrible on them, ime.

Maybe it is because I live in the goddamned desert. And drive shit ass horribad roads, so the mileage thing might be overstated in my case. But, I've had good luck running old garbage.

[hometeam]

Wait, what are you doing now if not selling Fords? That website lists a lot of brands.

I took a position as a manager 2 months ago. I no longer work for Ford. Same city just moved down the street. Big upheaval at Ford.

Long story short, the guy who was the brains of my dealership, who took us from 80/month to 300/month took a position as executive manager over all of these dealerships. Brought over 5 or 6 people who knew how to run the stores his way, including me~

[SAUTO]

Maybe it is because I live in the goddamned desert. And drive shit ass horribad roads, so the mileage thing might be overstated in my case. But, I've had good luck running old garbage.
Hey now I never said they were garbage lol

[hometeam]

Miles are a much larger factor in depreciation, especially at first.

[SAUTO]

Miles are a much larger factor in depreciation, especially at first.

I know.

But a five year old car with really low miles always scares me. I've seen the horror stories

[notorious]

I just got a 2016 Chevy Duramax Diesel LTZ with crew cab. It's a nice truck.

[SAUTO]

I just got a 2016 Chevy Duramax Diesel LTZ with crew cab. It's a nice truck.

You spent some bucks, lol.

I just can't fall in love with the nose on those...

Full back doors?

[notorious]

You spent some bucks, lol.

I just can't fall in love with the nose on those...

Full back doors?

Yes, it has the full back doors. Air conditioned seats are what dreams are made of, too.

Tax lady demanded I buy a new vehicle.

I am set up to trade in every 2-3 years. The hit from 60k down to 35k hurts, but on new business vehicles you can depreciate the full amount in 2 years.

It is actually cheaper and better for me to buy new than buy used and drive the wheels off, which I've done in the past.

Crazy stuff.

[Buehler445]

Hey now I never said they were garbage lol

You probably would if you saw how dirty mine is :D

[notorious]

You probably would if you saw how dirty mine is :D

Buehler is not kidding here. :D

My other work vehicles are worse. ;)

[Buehler445]

Miles are a much larger factor in depreciation, especially at first.

When I was looking, all the 1-3 year old ones that had 30-40K were more money than the 5 year old one I bought with 20.

[Buzz]

I bought a basic 2000 Ford F150 work truck used in 2002 with 11,000 miles for $10,000 after a $1,000 trade in. I now have 240,000 miles and would trade it in for a similar deal, what you got?

[SAUTO]

Yes, it has the full back doors. Air conditioned seats are what dreams are made of, too.

Tax lady demanded I buy a new vehicle.

I am set up to trade in every 2-3 years. The hit from 60k down to 35k hurts, but on new business vehicles you can depreciate the full amount in 2 years.

It is actually cheaper and better for me to buy new than buy used and drive the wheels off, which I've done in the past.

Crazy stuff.I know all about it-lol.

But in two years it's gonna carry more than 35k. He'll I just drove an 11 loaner that wasn't ltz no leather no ac or heated seats and no diesel, 60k miles and they wanted $27k.

2014 ltz gas with 50k miles and they wanted $39.9


I think you will be ok

[Easy 6]

Lotsa nice trucks around, but I've sold the two best out there and I know exactly what goes into them, that said its a... Dodge Ram, period

That goes double if you're wanting a diesel

[notorious]

I know all about it-lol.

But in two years it's gonna carry more than 35k. He'll I just drove an 11 loaner that wasn't ltz no leather no ac or heated seats and no diesel, 60k miles and they wanted $27k.

2014 ltz gas with 50k miles and they wanted $39.9


I think you will be ok

Thanks. Whew.

My ass is still sore from writing that check, though. LMAO

[SAUTO]

When I was looking, all the 1-3 year old ones that had 30-40K were more money than the 5 year old one I bought with 20.

They were within a couple thousand of the one I bought brand fucking new.

[notorious]

They were within a couple thousand of the one I bought brand ****ing new.

Where Buehler and I live they can fist you in a hurry if you let them.


Hell, 90% of our local dealerships are owned by one guy. He covers every single brand.

[SAUTO]

Thanks. Whew.

My ass is still sore from writing that check, though. LMAO
You'll be fine, imo. As long as the bottom doesn't fall out in two years.

[SAUTO]

Where Buehler and I live they can fist you in a hurry if you let them.


Hell, 90% of our local dealerships are owned by one guy. He covers every single brand.

Then call me. I know a guy. Shit I bought my tahoe from him, owned it a year, put 45k on it and traded out back on my truck for 2g more than I paid him for it lol

[notorious]

Then call me. I know a guy. Shit I bought my tahoe from him, owned it a year, put 45k on it and traded out back on my truck for 2g more than I paid him for it lol

Holy shit!

[SAUTO]

Holy shit!

It's good to have friends that you have worked on thousands of their cars and figured out shoot their "technicians " can't.

[SAUTO]

Notorious is it a 2500 or 3500?

[threebag]

Denali is a nice truck

[notorious]

Notorious is it a 2500 or 3500?

2500.


Didn't want the ultra stiff springs. The most I haul is 8-9k pounds rarely, 4-5 most of the time.


The bastard got 24 mpg on a trip, but usually does 18-19, 12-13 hauling. I need get the computer dialed in.

[TrebMaxx]

I like my 2009 F-150 Super Crew 4X4. The room in the cab is what sold me the most as it works great for the dog. I put the 3/4 seat up and gives her plenty of room to lay down and crash or she can hop on the 1/4 seat that is up and look out the window (maybe catch some breeze too, weather permitting).The new Chevy's and GMC's are really nice too but the model year I would like wouldn't make sense to buy used yet. I would look for a 2012-14 model year vehicle if I was in the market.

[SAUTO]

2500.


Didn't want the ultra stiff springs. The most I haul is 8-9k pounds rarely, 4-5 most of the time.


The bastard got 24 mpg on a trip, but usually does 18-19, 12-13 hauling. I need get the computer dialed in.
60k?

Next time hit me up first. My buddy is sitting right here and just showed me 6 they have for 56 or less out the door.

They only Have 80 trucks on the lot today

[notorious]

60k?

Next time hit me up first. My buddy is sitting right here and just showed me 6 they have for 56 or less out the door.

They only Have 80 trucks on the lot today

54.7k plus tax. Closest anyone else could do was 58 for a GMC.


Sorry, I add total cost into everything.

[notorious]

Kansas is a cocksucker and will get sales tax out of you if you buy out of state.

I fucking hate taxes.

[SAUTO]

54.7k plus tax. Closest anyone else could do was 58 for a GMC.


Sorry, I add total cost into everything.

I do the same.

Next time hit me up.
My truck msrp was 58999. I paid 41k plus tax out the door.

[MIAdragon]

Have an old Ram 3500 common rail. No complaints, does what it's asked and never left me stranded.

[SAUTO]

Have an old Ram 3500 common rail. No complaints, does what it's asked and never left me stranded.

12v?

Doesn't look like it...

The old mechanical 12 v were the best ever, I've got an old farmer that has an early 98 with less than 30k on it and I told him when he does he has to leave it to me. His wife and son both hate it and day it's mine lol.

I'm gonna put it in some thing cool. My buddy put one in a 70 Monte and put a six speed in it too. Cool rig

[hometeam]

When I was looking, all the 1-3 year old ones that had 30-40K were more money than the 5 year old one I bought with 20.

Has more to do with the body style change in 12 on that particular unit. It was a huge upgrade in vehicle.

[SAUTO]

Has more to do with the body style change in 12 on that particular unit. It was a huge upgrade in vehicle.

Yes it was

[Buehler445]

I do the same.

Next time hit me up.
My truck msrp was 58999. I paid 41k plus tax out the door.

I will be PMing you when I wear this bastard out. I am a million miles out of the 60k market though LOL.

[Buehler445]

Has more to do with the body style change in 12 on that particular unit. It was a huge upgrade in vehicle.

I don't think Chevy changed until 2014. Dad has a 2013 that is virtually the same as mine but ext can not crew cab. Well, and the badge on the front. The only real difference is that big touch screen where my backup camera is in the mirror.

[SAUTO]

I will be PMing you when I wear this bastard out. I am a million miles out of the 60k market though LOL.

Do it.


I had a guy tell me a couple weeks ago his 10 2500 hd 6.0 with 70k was probably only worth a grand...


ROFL I told him when he was ready I was a buyer

[SAUTO]

I don't think Chevy changed until 2014. Dad has a 2013 that is virtually the same as mine but ext can not crew cab. Well, and the badge on the front. The only real difference is that big touch screen where my backup camera is in the mirror.

They did that all the, way through with the radio option.

But you are correct. The 14 was the big change

[Dunerdr]

I'd buy a couple year old Chevy with a 5.3 because when it has 175k and a tranny problem you can go to any junkyard and find 20 with the right parts. Chevy is excellent at running the same stuff across platforms and for awhile.

[notorious]

I do the same.

Next time hit me up.
My truck msrp was 58999. I paid 41k plus tax out the door.

Jesus Sauto. We are residing in YOUR world. LMAO

[SAUTO]

Jesus Sauto. We are residing in YOUR world. LMAO

No. I'm blessed with good friends And I earn every bit of it.

My friends know the whole you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours... Dealio.

And I'm not afraid to pull that card for my friends. I wasn't bull shitting when I said this is my neighborhood.


Fuck tigerbob anyways

[SAUTO]

I'd buy a couple year old Chevy with a 5.3 because when it has 175k and a tranny problem you can go to any junkyard and find 20 with the right parts. Chevy is excellent at running the same stuff across platforms and for awhile.

This isn't really true.

A guy thought it was and 7 transmissions later he knew he was wrong

[13and3]

I like ford. But they keep changing the grills/body styles every year making sure last years model is always less valuable than thier current or upcoming model.

[dj56dt58]

Alas, the 2005 F150 with 175K miles has a dead transmission. $1.5K to $2K for a rebuild. Truck is worth maybe $5K to 6K.

SOOOOOOOOOOO........

Looking for 4X4 full size truck primarily to be used to haul around 225lbs of dog: two Great Danes......and light farm work.

Thinking 2014 or 2015 coming off of a lease.

What is your brand preference and why?

thanks!!

PS: Anybody want a broken 2005 F150? Make ya a great deal!!

What's a pussy like you going to do with a full size truck?

[Trivers]

What's a pussy like you going to do with a full size truck?

What do you think a F150 is? ROFL

Be quiet and go back to your room. Adults who opinions I respect are talking.

[Buehler445]

No. I'm blessed with good friends And I earn every bit of it.

My friends know the whole you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours... Dealio.

And I'm not afraid to pull that card for my friends. I wasn't bull shitting when I said this is my neighborhood.


Fuck tigerbob anyways

Yeah, I can't do the whole trade in kind thing. Nobody that sells cars wants a truckload of corn.

[SAUTO]

What's a pussy like you going to do with a full size truck?

Drive it?

[SAUTO]

Yeah, I can't do the whole trade in kind thing. Nobody that sells cars wants a truckload of corn.

Yes you can

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Lotsa nice trucks around, but I've sold the two best out there and I know exactly what goes into them, that said its a... Dodge Ram, period

That goes double if you're wanting a diesel

I had a 2004 F250 that was the worst truck I've ever had. Injectors constantly going out. I bought a Ram 3500 new 2014 and just traded it in for a new 2016 3500. Absolutely love it.

[Dunerdr]

This isn't really true.

A guy thought it was and 7 transmissions later he knew he was wrong

Since the 700r4 went bye bye has there even been 7 different tannys in the truck platform? 4l60,70,80 65,6l80.. there's a lot of misconception about what really interchangeable but as far as setting connected to a 5.3 it's fairly limited and the 60,65,70 interchange the 80 is its own bastard as well as all the 6lxx trannies. But I'm no expert I just follow from a hobbyist hot rodders perspective.

What I do know is my 250k mIle 09 hemi is using oil and long blocks are at least 2x the price of a 5.3 and most 6.0s. (Not including 6.2s wich are high because of hotrod supply and demand and not sure they were offered in 09 for trucks).

[Boise_Chief]

I would disagree with the f150 since they have gone to the aluminum. My brother was chaining one down on a trailer and pulled a hook out of the frame.

[Great Expectations]

I had a 2004 F250 that was the worst truck I've ever had. Injectors constantly going out. I bought a Ram 3500 new 2014 and just traded it in for a new 2016 3500. Absolutely love it.

F150's were run of the mill until '10. I keep waiting for Chevy to catch up, but while they've made strides they just can't do it. The foreign trucks are second to Ford right now IMO.

[Buehler445]

Yes you can

Sooooooo.... You want a truckload of corn?

[Renegade]

I am in the market for a new truck too. I have an f-250, so don't need another big truck.

I am looking at getting rid of my Cruz (just too small). I am trying to decide between Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado and Canyon for a mid size truck. Don't really want an SUV. I like having an open bed to haul all my bike stuff around. The Honda Ridgeline just doesn't appeal to me, even though it is the #1 rated mid size truck. Thoughts?

[Reerun_KC]

Have 08 dodge RAM 1500. 4*4. With 226500 miles on it. Still runs and drives like new. Original engine and transmission.. no issues.

Have 09 dodge RAM 2500 4*4 with 81000 miles. Immaculate truck.

I prefer dodge but we tow and use them more than most. But we also take our services times seriously

[A Salt Weapon]

I am also in the market. It's time to get rid of the corrola and buy a truck tis tow the boat. Small boat, but I want 4 doors for the kids and all the bells and whistles if I'm buying new.
I've been looking at Tacomas and tundras and recently the Chevy offering.
I don't really want to drop 40-50k if I can help it.
What's the best mid size truck or is it worth it to buy the full size?
Is there a magic number for when pre-owned is better than new?
Selection up here is terrible with only 1 new dealership that carries all the brands and a few used dealerships. So I'll probably be shopping down south without the luxury of test driving a bunch of stuff.
Thanks.

[Warpaint69]

I've got a 2014 Chevy Silverado 1500 LTZ Z71 crew cab. Love that thing. Blows my 2007 Silverado out of the water by miles.

[Coltman]

I own a 2015 F-150 and love the fuel economy, plenty of leg room, style and ride. I have put 16K on it this year and regularly get 23 on the highway, and average so far is 20.8 mpg. Wonderful ride and it is a workhorse at my farm.

Worst truck I ever owned was a Chevrolet. Bad electrical system, poor ride and cheaply made. Go with the Ford for sure............

[Warpaint69]

I own a 2015 F-150 and love the fuel economy, plenty of leg room, style and ride. I have put 16K on it this year and regularly get 23 on the highway, and average so far is 20.8 mpg. Wonderful ride and it is a workhorse at my farm.

Worst truck I ever owned was a Chevrolet. Bad electrical system, poor ride and cheaply made. Go with the Ford for sure............

Funny you mention electrical problems, my Gf's 2012 F150 is currently having electrical problems. The 2014 and new Silverado's ride awesome. Plus I don't like the Ford overhead cam engine designs. One of my friends with a f150 had nothing but problems with his timing chains.

[Marcellus]

Got a new Z71 Quad Cab this year. I absolutely love it.

[Dayze]

I'd love to own a nice F150, Silverado or Tacoma. But, I don't have a garage big enough to hold it. and if I'm shelling out north of $30k, I wouldn't want it sitting outside.

[tooge]

I am in the market for a new truck too. I have an f-250, so don't need another big truck.

I am looking at getting rid of my Cruz (just too small). I am trying to decide between Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado and Canyon for a mid size truck. Don't really want an SUV. I like having an open bed to haul all my bike stuff around. The Honda Ridgeline just doesn't appeal to me, even though it is the #1 rated mid size truck. Thoughts?

I drive a 2012 Tacoma. Just turned 100k miles. Love it. I've got a kid that will start driving in just over a year, so then I'll be in the market for a truck also cuz I will either give him mine, or buy him a used one

[DJ's left nut]

I've generally been pleased with our F-150 but we started to run some numbers on it this weekend after the power steering pump went out and I began to question it a little more.

The AC system had to be replaced after the system just started draining coolant onto the floorboards due to poor welds. It had done enough damage to itself that we were able to salvage parts of it but it cost about $900 to fix.

The rear defroster went out and they want $2k to fix it at the dealership (so that's just not getting done). Now the sliding rear window has also broken so we have to make sure to push it back shut in case it rains (no latch on the power slides and it will vibrate itself open).

The brake rotors warped despite having 50% life left on the pads and only 65K miles on the truck. We were advised it's 'a known problem with F-150s'...

The motor on the passenger running board has stripped a gear so every time you stop and start it sits there and spins.

Oh yeah, and now the power steering pump eating shit on the nastiest weather day of the year.

To have fixed everything there has been to fix on this truck (and I'm sure I've missed something) would be around 5-6 grand in 5 years of ownership. My Buddy has an eco-boost F-150 and his motor had to be replaced at 66,000 miles.

Honestly, I'm thinking that maybe these trucks aren't nearly as good as we just always assume they are. Their reputation is sterling and I LOVED my 2000 Explorer. But this truck has been something of a pain in my ass.

I think my next one will be a Tundra.

[TeaQue]

I have a 2008 Tundra that I bought from my Dad who purchased it new. The only issues we've had in 90k were related to corrosion from the factory battery and fixed under warranty. Other than that, it's been 100% reliable and I love driving it. He picked up a 2014 and it's nice too.

That being said, until there is a redesign, I'd be looking at F150's and Silverados because they've evolved more. The Tundra is still using the same drivetrain from 2007 and while it's reliable, the gas mileage is pretty bad. I'm lucky to get 13-16mpg doing 65mph on the highway.

[dj56dt58]

What do you think a F150 is? ROFL

Be quiet and go back to your room. Adults who opinions I respect are talking.

A piece of shit

[ChiefGator]

I'd buy a couple year old Chevy

Yeah, I really like my old Chevy Silverado.. been eyeing some of the newer ones, but not really in the market yet. 160k on my old truck with very few problems.

I think the Tundras look better than they used to ( less jelly beany ) but would want to see something really good about them from Consumer Reports.

tranny problem

I .. uh.. wouldn't call it a "problem" per se.

[jjjayb]

Just gonna drop this here:

www.zeckford.com

:D

[TambaBerry]

I'm just going to try and hijack this thread some, anyone have experience with the Infiniti G37? I'm currently paying off some stuff that needs to go, but I'm going to look at these because I want a car that's fun to drive.

[DJ's left nut]

I'm just going to try and hijack this thread some, anyone have experience with the Infiniti G37? I'm currently paying off some stuff that needs to go, but I'm going to look at these because I want a car that's fun to drive.

Mechanically it's a Nissan. I'd be surprised if its any more fun to drive than an Altima. Don't get me wrong - I liked my Altima a lot but it's still just a pedestrian sedan, by and large.

For the imports, I honestly think that Mazda has the best 'fun to drive' cars out there. The problem is that the 6 is getting some age on it now and I think they're due for a new one in a year or two. The concept they came out with a year or so ago was purty.

[Buehler445]

I've generally been pleased with our F-150 but we started to run some numbers on it this weekend after the power steering pump went out and I began to question it a little more.

The AC system had to be replaced after the system just started draining coolant onto the floorboards due to poor welds. It had done enough damage to itself that we were able to salvage parts of it but it cost about $900 to fix.

The rear defroster went out and they want $2k to fix it at the dealership (so that's just not getting done). Now the sliding rear window has also broken so we have to make sure to push it back shut in case it rains (no latch on the power slides and it will vibrate itself open).

The brake rotors warped despite having 50% life left on the pads and only 65K miles on the truck. We were advised it's 'a known problem with F-150s'...

The motor on the passenger running board has stripped a gear so every time you stop and start it sits there and spins.

Oh yeah, and now the power steering pump eating shit on the nastiest weather day of the year.

To have fixed everything there has been to fix on this truck (and I'm sure I've missed something) would be around 5-6 grand in 5 years of ownership. My Buddy has an eco-boost F-150 and his motor had to be replaced at 66,000 miles.

Honestly, I'm thinking that maybe these trucks aren't nearly as good as we just always assume they are. Their reputation is sterling and I LOVED my 2000 Explorer. But this truck has been something of a pain in my ass.

I think my next one will be a Tundra.

Honestly, take a look at Chevy.

Dad bought a new one in 08, and it now has 160 or something on it. He had a warrantied O2 sensor, and that is IT besides wear items. We did have a jackass kid working for us that FUBARed the tire pressure sensor, but that is our fault, not Chevy's. And beating them through fields and down the shithole roads where it lived most of it's life is a tough tough ask.

He replaced it with a 2013 that had like 13K on it when he bought it and the only problem he has had has been with the aftermarket pussy ass steps someone before him put on. Again, the shit roads and fields that it has lived its life in.

I have a 2010 that I bought with 20K. The only problem I have had is a small A/C leak that the mental midgets at the dealership can't seem to find, and I have been kind of hard on the reverse sensors, but that is exclusively due to corn stalks. Mine has a goofy size of 22" tires that are kind of expensive when it comes to buying shoes for it, but it is a very good pickup. Almost all the miles on mine are the jankety county roads also.

Before that, I had a 2006 with a salvage title that I dumped at 140,000ish. The powertrain was quite reliable but the cab was about to fall clear apart. Again, roads. The 2008-2013 body style is a far sturdier and comfortable cab.

I think If I was just driving in town as a daily driver, the damned things would last forever. But the roads get so blown out and washboarded to hell when it is dry and are a fucking rutted up trainwreck when it rains, that there is a precious few days after it rains when they can grade them properly before they get blown out that the roads are actually worth a fuck. Mud gets everywhere and that concerns the hell out of me, but we haven't had problems. The dirt and sand do abuse the tires and brakes pretty hard, but that is expected.

Not to mention these are all half tons, and we are idiots, and tie on to 20,000 lb nurse trailers or header trailers, or think we can pull 15000 lb worth of seed on a car trailer. Then we drag it through ditches and creek bottoms that we have no business crossing with a pickup. Moreover, when fieldwork starts our maintenance intervals tend to get...stretched a bit.

[DJ's left nut]

Honestly, take a look at Chevy.


Probably gonna get another 4+ years out of this one (clock on that will start whenever I replace my sedan) and by then they'll all have new body styles anyway.

I'm not particularly brand loyal at this point though my dad's always had Chevys. I'll give them all a look when the time comes. It'll probably cost $70K for a base 2WD by then (fucking trucks are ridiculous these days...)

[Buehler445]

And not to go off on a rant here....Fuck it. I'm going to rant.

Pickups are fucking great form an electrical perspective.

Pickups are made for the highway. The idea of a "work truck" is long fucking gone. These things are made for town. Any argument otherwise is an exercise in futility. So they're made to go down the highway. Buehler445 takes them out in the country and beats the bejesus out of them. They all have sensors in every damn thing, and they just work. (Unless you drive through cornstalks and rip off the aforementioned reverse sensors).

Contrast that with fucking Deere, their shit is madeto be in the field, and I can't manage to keep a damn sensor in any of my shit. It is never the powertrain in any of the shit that goes wrong that I have to stop and fix. It is invariably a goddamned motherfucking electrical problem.

Drives me insane. And we aren't kicking on a light on a $30,000 vehicle. We are shutting down a $300,000 tractor and potentially $250,000 of implement (Or combine or sprayer or whatever).

:cuss:

Appreciate your pickups, men.

/rant

[DJ's left nut]

Drives me insane. And we aren't kicking on a light on a $30,000 vehicle. We are shutting down a $300,000 tractor and potentially $250,000 of implement (Or combine or sprayer or whatever).

:cuss:

Appreciate your pickups, men.

/rant

Well just hook your combine to your pickup - problem solved.

Farmers, man - always looking to make shit complicated.

[Buehler445]

Probably gonna get another 4+ years out of this one (clock on that will start whenever I replace my sedan) and by then they'll all have new body styles anyway.

I'm not particularly brand loyal at this point though my dad's always had Chevys. I'll give them all a look when the time comes. It'll probably cost $70K for a base 2WD by then (fucking trucks are ridiculous these days...)

I admittedly have no experience with the newer models. I'm always looking for the cheapest functional mile.

As far as the value, come out here. They don't even use lube on pickups these days. They just fist you with a medieval gauntlet. So much to the point that I had considered getting a sedan to commute to the farm and leave the pickup parked, but the roads and shit are harder on them, and it didn't pencil, but GODDAMN sedans are so cheap compared to pickups.

Honestly, though, if you are having problems or you have a lemon, it may pencil out to trade into an older one, like a 10 or 12 or something with comparable miles. If you are kicking out a grand a year in repairs, which will likely become magnified with age, that will overcome some trade difference.

[Buehler445]

Well just hook your combine to your pickup - problem solved.

Farmers, man - always looking to make shit complicated.

If Chevy made combines and tractors, I'd be trading today. I shouldn't bitch about the sprayer too much. It has been nice to me. But the rest of the shit - OUT.

[Trivers]

And not to go off on a rant here....**** it. I'm going to rant.

Pickups are ****ing great form an electrical perspective.

Pickups are made for the highway. The idea of a "work truck" is long ****ing gone. These things are made for town. Any argument otherwise is an exercise in futility. So they're made to go down the highway. Buehler445 takes them out in the country and beats the bejesus out of them. They all have sensors in every damn thing, and they just work. (Unless you drive through cornstalks and rip off the aforementioned reverse sensors).

Contrast that with ****ing Deere, their shit is madeto be in the field, and I can't manage to keep a damn sensor in any of my shit. It is never the powertrain in any of the shit that goes wrong that I have to stop and fix. It is invariably a goddamned mother****ing electrical problem.

Drives me insane. And we aren't kicking on a light on a $30,000 vehicle. We are shutting down a $300,000 tractor and potentially $250,000 of implement (Or combine or sprayer or whatever).

:cuss:

Appreciate your pickups, men.

/rant

Read articles that state that Farmers are not allowed to access and repair the electronics on Deere Equipment. So do you have to call for Deere Field Support for everything?

[TambaBerry]

Mechanically it's a Nissan. I'd be surprised if its any more fun to drive than an Altima. Don't get me wrong - I liked my Altima a lot but it's still just a pedestrian sedan, by and large.

For the imports, I honestly think that Mazda has the best 'fun to drive' cars out there. The problem is that the 6 is getting some age on it now and I think they're due for a new one in a year or two. The concept they came out with a year or so ago was purty.

I don't think the altima has the same sporty feel to it in my opinion but you're right based on the car.

[TeaQue]

Mechanically it's a Nissan. I'd be surprised if its any more fun to drive than an Altima. Don't get me wrong - I liked my Altima a lot but it's still just a pedestrian sedan, by and large.

For the imports, I honestly think that Mazda has the best 'fun to drive' cars out there. The problem is that the 6 is getting some age on it now and I think they're due for a new one in a year or two. The concept they came out with a year or so ago was purty.

Are you kidding? The G37 is RWD (or AWD) and has 330+ hp. The V6 Altima is FWD and has 270hp or less if you don't get the V6. They are quite different. The G37 has more in common with a 370z than the Altima.

The Mazdas are fun but too underpowered.

[notorious]

I have been through 3 suburban/Yukons the last 12 years and have replace the tranny in the Yukon once (deer impact drained the fluid but they assured me itwould be fine) and that is it.

94 Suburban-275k
01 Yukon -307k and still going strong
09 Suburban - 91k (wife will murder it, not near as tough as the previous 2 suburban)

I gave the 94 to the local repair guy because he is awesome, and the 2001 is still in service. All of them haul/hauled an enclosed car hauled and flatbed. Take care of your gear, guys.

[Buehler445]

Read articles that state that Farmers are not allowed to access and repair the electronics on Deere Equipment. So do you have to call for Deere Field Support for everything?

Pretty much.

You can look up the codes (online, they don't put them in the manuals anymore because they're too busy sucking cock :cuss:), and they will give you a crap description.

If you can correctly diagnose it and clearing the code will resume operation, you can get it done, but if you want access to the onboard diagnostics and information center, you have get fisted by the dealership at >$100/hr. More if you have to have a service call.

Moreover, most of the calibrations and tuning must be done in that system.

So largely, yeah. You're fucked.

[displacedinMN]

Buehler-all true. Corn stalks suck. Pickups are better on the road.
What about a 3500 heavy duty? any thoughts?

A Chevy or dodge Combine would be cool. But I believe dads 1969 Deere 4400 combine had a 272 Chevy engine in it.

JD is very proprietary. I have a friend that works for them. She says it too.

[Buehler445]

Buehler-all true. Corn stalks suck. Pickups are better on the road.
What about a 3500 heavy duty? any thoughts?

A Chevy or dodge Combine would be cool. But I believe dads 1969 Deere 4400 combine had a 272 Chevy engine in it.

JD is very proprietary. I have a friend that works for them. She says it too.

I don't have anything that heavy. If it needs more than our 3/4 ton is good for, I just use the semi.

Proprietary. That's a good word for it, yeah :D

[jjchieffan]

Don't care. Ignore thread list gets another addition

[notorious]

If Chevy made combines and tractors, I'd be trading today. I shouldn't bitch about the sprayer too much. It has been nice to me. But the rest of the shit - OUT.

Just imagine how much a John Deere pickup would cost.....

[hometeam]

I don't think Chevy changed until 2014. Dad has a 2013 that is virtually the same as mine but ext can not crew cab. Well, and the badge on the front. The only real difference is that big touch screen where my backup camera is in the mirror.

My bad, thought it was a Ford

[hometeam]

Yeah, I can't do the whole trade in kind thing. Nobody that sells cars wants a truckload of corn.


Ill do any sort of commodity trade with you, cows, corn, eggs, sheep, whatever you got.

Its done all the time and saves you money in taxes~

[hometeam]

I am in the market for a new truck too. I have an f-250, so don't need another big truck.

I am looking at getting rid of my Cruz (just too small). I am trying to decide between Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado and Canyon for a mid size truck. Don't really want an SUV. I like having an open bed to haul all my bike stuff around. The Honda Ridgeline just doesn't appeal to me, even though it is the #1 rated mid size truck. Thoughts?

Hit me up ill blow your mind with a Frontier deal~

[hometeam]

Don't care. Ignore thread list gets another addition

COOL

[Buehler445]

Just imagine how much a John Deere pickup would cost.....

Yeah. And it probably wouldn't run.

Ill do any sort of commodity trade with you, cows, corn, eggs, sheep, whatever you got.

Its done all the time and saves you money in taxes~

So....semi load of corn for a new pickup?

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by notorious View Post
Just imagine how much a John Deere pickup would cost....
And when you wax it the paint turns your rag yellow. There is a lot of yellow in that green.

[lewdog]

I'm just going to try and hijack this thread some, anyone have experience with the Infiniti G37? I'm currently paying off some stuff that needs to go, but I'm going to look at these because I want a car that's fun to drive.

Looking at coupe or sedan?

If it's been taken care of, they are pretty rock solid cars and more reliable than many from Nissan's line. Fixing isn't super expensive easier. It's a fairly heavy car but handles well and has quite a bit of power. Hell of a lot of fun to drive so get a manual if you can. I was questioning getting one before the Mustang fell into my lap.

It can come in RWD or AWD. If you live where you live (Kansas?) and this is a year round car, might want to find the AWD version. I've driven RWD cars in a Montana winter and it's like driving a death sled.

[TambaBerry]

Looking at coupe or sedan?

If it's been taken care of, they are pretty rock solid cars and more reliable than many from Nissan's line. Fixing isn't super expensive easier. It's a fairly heavy car but handles well and has quite a bit of power. Hell of a lot of fun to drive so get a manual if you can. I was questioning getting one before the Mustang fell into my lap.

It can come in RWD or AWD. If you live where you live (Kansas?) and this is a year round car, might want to find the AWD version. I've driven RWD cars in a Montana winter and it's like driving a death sled.

Yeah, I am going to look for an G37 XS to get that sport package with the bigger brakes and bucket seats, everything im reading is to get a 2012 or newer which i think is only like two or three years before they switched the G37 to a different model name. For around 20k I can get one with 30-40k miles on it and sometimes I have seen them certified. I want a nice ride out of it too, but also would love some of that power to have some fun with.

[Renegade]

Hit me up ill blow your mind with a Frontier deal~

It will be at least a month before I can get to Jeff City. Go ahead, blow my mind.

[Chief_For_Life58]

I daily drive a 2011 ram 1500 big horn. Love it. No problems so far. Service regularly. When I was looking for a truck I drove all the major brands and the ram drove the nicest to me and was the most reasonable price wise for what features I wanted. Like a smooth cruising Cadillac. A lazy boy recliner with wheels. At this point I don't think you can go wrong with any of the major brands just go drive em and see which one you like the most. Just buy American.

[hometeam]

It will be at least a month before I can get to Jeff City. Go ahead, blow my mind.

We deliver~ get in my PMS

[A Salt Weapon]

Someone talk me out of buying this. How much should I pay? Never owned a truck and don't know the first thing about buying one.

http://www.mendenhallautocenter.com/juneau-new-cars/detail/New-2017-Toyota-Tacoma-TRD-Off-Road/688/3TMCZ5ANXHM055879

[Lzen]

Someone talk me out of buying this. How much should I pay? Never owned a truck and don't know the first thing about buying one.

http://www.mendenhallautocenter.com/juneau-new-cars/detail/New-2017-Toyota-Tacoma-TRD-Off-Road/688/3TMCZ5ANXHM055879

I saw one that looks just like that recently at our local Ford dealership. I thought it was cool and was curious how much they wanted. Yeah, those are cool trucks but they want way too much.

[Marcellus]

http://i541.photobucket.com/albums/gg361/troyacupp/103899D2-9F80-467F-90F2-69D6057B9799_zpsvxaemko3.jpg (http://s541.photobucket.com/user/troyacupp/media/103899D2-9F80-467F-90F2-69D6057B9799_zpsvxaemko3.jpg.html)

Don't listen to Hometeam. You need a sexy beast like this, not some boring Ford.

My favorite daily driver purchase ever.

[SAUTO]

http://i541.photobucket.com/albums/gg361/troyacupp/103899D2-9F80-467F-90F2-69D6057B9799_zpsvxaemko3.jpg (http://s541.photobucket.com/user/troyacupp/media/103899D2-9F80-467F-90F2-69D6057B9799_zpsvxaemko3.jpg.html)

Don't listen to Hometeam. You need a sexy beast like this, not some boring Ford.

My favorite daily driver purchase ever.

good lookin rig

[DJ's left nut]

Man...I do love the new Chevys.

They did a great job re-capturing the strong, boxy lines of the third generation C/K series and then modernizing it with the stance/lines that we come to expect from newer trucks.

Just a great, great looking rig.

Hey Sauto - can you get me one of those beasts for 15K off sticker? (I'd probably be better off if you just didn't answer; I definitely don't need two full-sized pickups...)

[O.city]

I've got a 2016 gmc Sierra z71. The transmission issues have sucked but I think they got it figured out

[Garcia Bronco]

I would base my decision on two things:

-I live at altitude (making frame life span less of a concern)
-Am I going to tow a 5th wheel (I prefer the American made trucks for this)

[Garcia Bronco]

Someone talk me out of buying this. How much should I pay? Never owned a truck and don't know the first thing about buying one.

http://www.mendenhallautocenter.com/juneau-new-cars/detail/New-2017-Toyota-Tacoma-TRD-Off-Road/688/3TMCZ5ANXHM055879

You have car fever.

Let me help.

Remember, there is nothing going on at the dealership that's good for you.

[DJ's left nut]

You have car fever.

Let me help.

Remember, there is nothing going on at the dealership that's good for you.

I keep telling myself - "There's always another sale and yes, that deal WILL be there tomorrow..."

Though I really think I may have screwed the pooch on one back in September. Local guys were trying to clear their '15 inventory and had a brand new black X5 with the cream leather that I loved. I drove it for a weekend, decided that the technology would feel old when the next gen came out. They called me for 3 straight days knocking 2-3 grand off the price each time. I was trading in my 6 year old hyundai with 105K miles and after they way overpaid for that, I was getting the new X5 for 44K. 6 months later and I can't even approach those figures on a used with 10K on it.

"It's okay man, you didn't pass because the money, you passed because of the car.....don't sweat it."

So yeah...I might've !@#$ed that up. It really was a great vehicle to drive.

[ModSocks]

Surprised to see all the F150 recommendations.

Every F150 i've been around has been a rattle trap.

My brother in law just recently switched teams from Ford to Chevy, and my buddy who maintains cop cars for a living also ditched his F150.

IMO, Dodge has great build quality. I can't speak on the new Chevy's.

[ModSocks]

Funny you mention electrical problems, my Gf's 2012 F150 is currently having electrical problems. The 2014 and new Silverado's ride awesome. Plus I don't like the Ford overhead cam engine designs. One of my friends with a f150 had nothing but problems with his timing chains.

Early models of the latest Ford design had some bad electrical problems, IIRC.

[SAUTO]

Man...I do love the new Chevys.

They did a great job re-capturing the strong, boxy lines of the third generation C/K series and then modernizing it with the stance/lines that we come to expect from newer trucks.

Just a great, great looking rig.

Hey Sauto - can you get me one of those beasts for 15K off sticker? (I'd probably be better off if you just didn't answer; I definitely don't need two full-sized pickups...)
Right now?

They are starting at 9k off without even really trying.

[ModSocks]

I've generally been pleased with our F-150 but we started to run some numbers on it this weekend after the power steering pump went out and I began to question it a little more.

The AC system had to be replaced after the system just started draining coolant onto the floorboards due to poor welds. It had done enough damage to itself that we were able to salvage parts of it but it cost about $900 to fix.

The rear defroster went out and they want $2k to fix it at the dealership (so that's just not getting done). Now the sliding rear window has also broken so we have to make sure to push it back shut in case it rains (no latch on the power slides and it will vibrate itself open).

The brake rotors warped despite having 50% life left on the pads and only 65K miles on the truck. We were advised it's 'a known problem with F-150s'...

The motor on the passenger running board has stripped a gear so every time you stop and start it sits there and spins.

Oh yeah, and now the power steering pump eating shit on the nastiest weather day of the year.

To have fixed everything there has been to fix on this truck (and I'm sure I've missed something) would be around 5-6 grand in 5 years of ownership. My Buddy has an eco-boost F-150 and his motor had to be replaced at 66,000 miles.

Honestly, I'm thinking that maybe these trucks aren't nearly as good as we just always assume they are. Their reputation is sterling and I LOVED my 2000 Explorer. But this truck has been something of a pain in my ass.

I think my next one will be a Tundra.

Sounds about right. In my circle of friends/Co-workers, we view the F150 as a piece of shit. The build quality simply isn't there in our experience.

[DJ's left nut]

Right now?

They are starting at 9k off without even really trying.

Yeah, I just saw that. McCosh in town is dropping 6K off and my experience with McCosh is that they're a pack of crooks.

So if they're even taking 6K off, dealerships that actually give a shit will take off a lot more than that. Must be a ton of factory incentives on 'em right now because McCosh won't give you anything off that the manufacturer hasn't paid them for in advance. Shitty dealership.

[SAUTO]

Yeah, I just saw that. McCosh in town is dropping 6K off and my experience with McCosh is that they're a pack of crooks.

So if they're even taking 6K off, dealerships that actually give a shit will take off a lot more than that. Must be a ton of factory incentives on 'em right now because McCosh won't give you anything off that the manufacturer hasn't paid them for in advance. Shitty dealership.
Yeah it looks as if you wanted a 16 getting them down over 10 k off sticker is the starting point. My guys on line price that is also marked out is 9,500 under sticker. That's with out even haggling

[O.city]

Buddy of mine has had alot of problems with his ford as well.

[SAUTO]

Buddy of mine has had alot of problems with his ford as well.

I'm not sure I could ever be comfortable with their engines after the 3v debacle and the way they dealt with it (or didn't lol).

But you guys keep buying them, I've made more money swapping 3v's than any other engine. Maybe all engines combined.

I've probably installed 100 new engines in them. Not even joking. I did one a week in the month of October.

[DJ's left nut]

Is that the most recent 5.4 liter v8?

That's what we have in ours and of all the annoying things that truck has done to us, the engine's never caused a problem. Seems like a solid powerplant in my experience.

[SAUTO]

Is that the most recent 5.4 liter v8?

That's what we have in ours and of all the annoying things that truck has done to us, the engine's never caused a problem. Seems like a solid powerplant in my experience.

Pretty sure they figured it out in 08. Which is a long time ago, I know.

I've swapped them out with less than 60k on them.

[DJ's left nut]

Pretty sure they figured it out in 08. Which is a long time ago, I know.

I've swapped them out with less than 60k on them.

Ah. Mine's a '10 so that must explain it.

[SAUTO]

Ah. Mine's a '10 so that must explain it.

Yep. The previous design was total shit

[MahiMike]

Chevy is by far the best LOOKING truck.

[displacedinMN]

Chevy is by far the best LOOKING truck.

My kid wanted me to get the Chevy-says my Ram looks mad. I told her it matches her dad.

[Buehler445]

Yeah, I just saw that. McCosh in town is dropping 6K off and my experience with McCosh is that they're a pack of crooks.

So if they're even taking 6K off, dealerships that actually give a shit will take off a lot more than that. Must be a ton of factory incentives on 'em right now because McCosh won't give you anything off that the manufacturer hasn't paid them for in advance. Shitty dealership.

Just asking, not judging, but is there a reason you can't trade the car on a Daily Driver pickup and sell the pickup privately?

Sounds like you really want a pickup :D

Chevy is by far the best LOOKING truck.

Marcellus' looks amazing. But the dealership here had a white one, and the front end looked really bad. You need to provide some contrast with the chrome for those front ends. I'd probably kill a man for a dark blue one.

[notorious]

Just asking, not judging, but is there a reason you can't trade the car on a Daily Driver pickup and sell the pickup privately?

Sounds like you really want a pickup :D



Marcellus' looks amazing. But the dealership here had a white one, and the front end looked really bad. You need to provide some contrast with the chrome for those front ends. I'd probably kill a man for a dark blue one.

:hmmm:


You had your chance a few weeks ago........

[Buehler445]

:hmmm:


You had your chance a few weeks ago........

I own semis smallsr than that. ROFL

I'm a half ton guy. It is a hell of a nice pickup though.

[SAUTO]

Just asking, not judging, but is there a reason you can't trade the car on a Daily Driver pickup and sell the pickup privately?

Sounds like you really want a pickup :D



Marcellus' looks amazing. But the dealership here had a white one, and the front end looked really bad. You need to provide some contrast with the chrome for those front ends. I'd probably kill a man for a dark blue one.deep ocean blue...


i love that color, if my grille had been available on a that color truck i would be driving one.


its a special package though only available in black or white...

[Lzen]

Pretty sure they figured it out in 08. Which is a long time ago, I know.

I've swapped them out with less than 60k on them.

What years specifically and what engines? I don't know what you mean by 3v. I'm curious as to what Ford did with their engineering or rather what mistakes they made and on what models. I've been driving my 2003 F150 for 11.5 years since I bought it and it has been rock solid. It's a 4.6L V8. It only has 109k on it as my bike is my daily driver when it's not cold and crappy weather. Just had the spark plugs replaced. Any issues with that model of which I should be aware?

[SAUTO]

What years specifically and what engines? I don't know what you mean by 3v. I'm curious as to what Ford did with their engineering or rather what mistakes they made and on what models. I've been driving my 2003 F150 for 11.5 years since I bought it and it has been rock solid. It's a 4.6L V8. It only has 109k on it as my bike is my daily driver when it's not cold and crappy weather. Just had the spark plugs replaced. Any issues with that model of which I should be aware?

ford made a 5.4 l 3 valve motor that sucked ass, 2004 maybe to 2008. i dont even know where to start on what was wrong on those things, lol


yours is rock solid usually, just worry about ball joints lol

[Buehler445]

ford made a 5.4 l 3 valve motor that sucked ass, 2004 maybe to 2008. i dont even know where to start on what was wrong on those things, lol


yours is rock solid usually, just worry about ball joints lol

Buddy of mine had an Escape in that timeframe with some shit V6 motor that the cam was going out of at low miles. Is that part of the same type of FUBAR?

He talked to a Ford mechanic that opened his own shop and he said it was a common problem, and he'd recommend trading it. Because it needed a cam. Ford knew about it, but didn't give a fuck. Told everybody to fuckoff. I can't remember if there was a recall on it or not, but if there was it was very short lived. He cleared the code and drove it to the dealership LOL.

I'm not sure how big of a bath he took on it, but those type of situations (and whomever ended up with it). Bought a newer vehicle with low miles for reliability. Had a good chunk borrowed against it, and had to dump it or pile several thousand in a motor (diametrically opposed to "reliable"). He's fine, and it is barely a fleeting memory, but that's how people get in trouble.

[Baby Lee]

I'm just going to try and hijack this thread some, anyone have experience with the Infiniti G37? I'm currently paying off some stuff that needs to go, but I'm going to look at these because I want a car that's fun to drive.

different body style

[SAUTO]

different body style

why would you take this to this thread?


oh because you are a dripping fucking cunt.

[A Salt Weapon]

Offered 38,500 for the 2017 Tacoma double cab with TRd off-road, jbl audio (waste of money I think) with all the accessories I want. Find out Tuesday.

[DJ's left nut]

Offered 38,500 for the 2017 Tacoma double cab with TRd off-road, jbl audio (waste of money I think) with all the accessories I want. Find out Tuesday.

I'll never pass on the premium audio again.

There aren't a ton of things that make a big difference in your driving experience for a daily driver. For me, sound is a big deal.

Road noise, build quality (avoid rattles) and the audio system. That just makes a massive difference in how much I enjoy my ride. Sure, I'd love to be able to hoon the shit out of my car and a passing gear is a must, but just about everything has that these days. Hell, 4-door sedans routinely sport 260+ horses and a 0-60 time in the 7-8 range. It ain't fast, but it's more than most people need.

Cars are just really good these days and one of the last places you can find a real difference in ownership experience is in the audio/infotainment system. Touchscreens and a premier stereo are a must have for me anymore.

[DJ's left nut]

Just asking, not judging, but is there a reason you can't trade the car on a Daily Driver pickup and sell the pickup privately?

Sounds like you really want a pickup :D

Because I'd be looking at 2 payments. My wife and I both enjoy having newish vehicles. Mine's paid off and hers is done in a couple of months. If we can sock away another 9-12 months of the monthly payment we had been making, we can throw all of that at the down payment on the new ride.

At that point I could finance the new car for 3 years and get us in a cycle where every 6 years we can trade the older car in for a new one and never end up having 2 payments at once.

What will almost certainly happen is I'll end up with an XC90 or the new Atlas this time around and when that's paid off in 3 years, we'll trade in the pickup, I'll take the new truck and she'll take the SUV. Then we're in sequence going forward and it provides a nice sort of 'wealth accumulation' model. We've built two payments into our budget for the last 5 years so freeing up 700/mo or so will be pretty sweet.

[DJ's left nut]

ford made a 5.4 l 3 valve motor that sucked ass, 2004 maybe to 2008. i dont even know where to start on what was wrong on those things, lol


yours is rock solid usually, just worry about ball joints lol

The 4.0 liter SOHC on my 2000 explorer may be my favorite engine of any car I've ever had (not including my 383).

That thing never so much as hiccuped. Ran like a top and it could've been -20 with 2 feet of snow on the ground and it would've turned over once before firing up. Just a great, great motor.

The ball joints, OTOH...

[SAUTO]

I'll never pass on the premium audio again.

There aren't a ton of things that make a big difference in your driving experience for a daily driver. For me, sound is a big deal.

Road noise, build quality (avoid rattles) and the audio system. That just makes a massive difference in how much I enjoy my ride. Sure, I'd love to be able to hoon the shit out of my car and a passing gear is a must, but just about everything has that these days. Hell, 4-door sedans routinely sport 260+ horses and a 0-60 time in the 7-8 range. It ain't fast, but it's more than most people need.

Cars are just really good these days and one of the last places you can find a real difference in ownership experience is in the audio/infotainment system. Touchscreens and a premier stereo are a must have for me anymore.
I agree, a sound system is huge for me, and my Chevy is silent going down the road.

They have an add on kicker sub woofer that is plug and play. That makes it sound much better even over the premium sound

[SAUTO]

The 4.0 liter SOHC on my 2000 explorer may be my favorite engine of any car I've ever had (not including my 383).

That thing never so much as hiccuped. Ran like a top and it could've been -20 with 2 feet of snow on the ground and it would've turned over once before firing up. Just a great, great motor.

The ball joints, OTOH...

Only issue with those is the timing chain in the back of the block.

[Trivers]

Only issue with those is the timing chain in the back of the block.

Hey Jasonsauto:

From a car technician perspective:

If you were buying a 2 to 3 year old 4x4 truck, what would you buy?

Also, thinking of a Yukon type vehicle: again, 2 to 3 year old, what would you buy?

Thanks!

[SAUTO]

Hey Jasonsauto:

From a car technician perspective:

If you were buying a 2 to 3 year old 4x4 truck, what would you buy?

Also, thinking of a Yukon type vehicle: again, 2 to 3 year old, what would you buy?

Thanks!
Im a Chevy guy.

I've installed a shit ton of Ford engines, and only 3 LS motors ever.

They all have their drawbacks.

[SAUTO]

I owned a 2010 ltz suburban, traded in a 2007 tahoe on my 2015 silverado.

[A Salt Weapon]

Bought it.

2017 Tacoma in blue

[Ken Bone]

Bought it.

2017 Tacoma in blue

I like body style of the new Tacomas and that blue looks good. Good work!

Did you get the TRD package?

[A Salt Weapon]

I like body style of the new Tacomas and that blue looks good. Good work!

Did you get the TRD package?

Yeah TRd off-road
Added
The JBL audio with tech package, tonneau cover, tow package, mud flaps and weather mats, the 5" step tube running boards, bedmat and extender.

Pretty much everything but leather which I wish was an option. All the bells and whistles but I certainly paid for it.
Got suckered into some extra protection crap (7yr Toyota platinum for 1295, tire something for 500 and this "Alaska package" which I'm pretty sure is a scam for another $1500. and walked out around 42k with everything

[Trivers]

2014 Tahoe vs. 2014 expedition.

Who wins??

[ChiTown]

This Summer, I bought a 2014 Ford F-150 Platinum that I LOVE! They are fantastic automobiles

[notorious]

2014 Tahoe vs. 2014 expedition.

Who wins??

Looks are subjective, but the Tahoe looks better and it's not close.

[R Clark]

Bought a new Tahoe in 14 ,it's been great

[58-4ever]

Yeah TRd off-road
Added
The JBL audio with tech package, tonneau cover, tow package, mud flaps and weather mats, the 5" step tube running boards, bedmat and extender.

Pretty much everything but leather which I wish was an option. All the bells and whistles but I certainly paid for it.
Got suckered into some extra protection crap (7yr Toyota platinum for 1295, tire something for 500 and this "Alaska package" which I'm pretty sure is a scam for another $1500. and walked out around 42k with everything

I bet the finance people were high-fiving as you walked out! :)

[58-4ever]

I bought a 2013 F-150 Limited this year. Great truck!!

[Ken Bone]

Yeah TRd off-road
Added
The JBL audio with tech package, tonneau cover, tow package, mud flaps and weather mats, the 5" step tube running boards, bedmat and extender.

Pretty much everything but leather which I wish was an option. All the bells and whistles but I certainly paid for it.
Got suckered into some extra protection crap (7yr Toyota platinum for 1295, tire something for 500 and this "Alaska package" which I'm pretty sure is a scam for another $1500. and walked out around 42k with everything

It sounds like you got it loaded up, I love those Toyota trucks. Last October I bought a new 2016 Tundra Platinum 4x4 and I'm very happy with it. I compared it to the GMC Sierra and for the same options the Toyota was much cheaper.

[A Salt Weapon]

I bet the finance people were high-fiving as you walked out! :)

Possibly, even so I still walked away under MSRP, so basically all these were free and I got a fully loaded Tacoma for under $43

[A Salt Weapon]

It sounds like you got it loaded up, I love those Toyota trucks. Last October I bought a new 2016 Tundra Platinum 4x4 and I'm very happy with it. I compared it to the GMC Sierra and for the same options the Toyota was much cheaper.

Pretty sure it'll be way cheaper maintenance wise and your resell value will be double.
Tundras are nice, I drove quite a few while shopping.

[hometeam]

Pretty sure it'll be way cheaper maintenance wise and your resell value will be double.
Tundras are nice, I drove quite a few while shopping.

Wont be double, will only be a little bit more.

Ford, Toyota, and Chevy are all super strong resale and have been for the last 5-8 years or so, with Chevy at the bottom of those 3, and still really strong.

Truck market is super strong in general.

[SAUTO]

Possibly, even so I still walked away under MSRP, so basically all these were free and I got a fully loaded Tacoma for under $43

Man, that seems high for a mid size truck...

[Fouts]

F150 3.5L 4x4 ecoboost, 16 city 22 hwy.

[A Salt Weapon]

Man, that seems high for a mid size truck...

Yeah. The extras add up quick, but at a price of 38.5 it made sense to buy new. We are secluded here and land locked so used vehicle prices are a little than normal. Used Tacomas when available were about $20k for 10yr old with 100k, $30k for 2012 with 60k and 35k for 2014s just made since to add a few thou and go new

[Buehler445]

Wont be double, will only be a little bit more.

Ford, Toyota, and Chevy are all super strong resale and have been for the last 5-8 years or so, with Chevy at the bottom of those 3, and still really strong.

Truck market is super strong in general.

Chevy is the worst? Wow.

Not throwing stones. We only have a chevy outfit here.

Looks like I'll probably stick with GM. I'm not and probably won't ever be in the new market.

However, I saw a commercial advertising air suspension on Rams. If it's worth a fuck, that might be a game changer.

I have no idea why ALL vehicles don't use air suspensions and jake brakes. I'm not a trucker but damn, those technologies are EASY.

[notorious]

Chevy is the worst? Wow.

Not throwing stones. We only have a chevy outfit here.

Looks like I'll probably stick with GM. I'm not and probably won't ever be in the new market.

However, I saw a commercial advertising air suspension on Rams. If it's worth a ****, that might be a game changer.

I have no idea why ALL vehicles don't use air suspensions and jake brakes. I'm not a trucker but damn, those technologies are EASY.

My diesel has exhaust braking. It's not loud like a semi's jake brake, though.

[Buehler445]

My diesel has exhaust braking. It's not loud like a semi's jake brake, though.

If you put straight pipes on it, it would be loud. The only reason those are loud is they have no restriction exhausts.

I have a Volvo with 450 hp ISX cummins and they're really quiet.

[notorious]

If you put straight pipes on it, it would be loud. The only reason those are loud is they have no restriction exhausts.

I have a Volvo with 450 hp ISX cummins and they're really quiet.

I am not a big enough douche to put the big exhausts on. LMAO


It cracks me up when I see the straight pipes straight up and out of the pickup bed. All the guys that I know that have them are poser wanabees.

[Buehler445]

I am not a big enough douche to put the big exhausts on. LMAO


It cracks me up when I see the straight pipes straight up and out of the pickup bed. All the guys that I know that have them are poser wanabees.

Oh no. You don't have near enough douche on you for that noise.

Coming out of the bed? That's gayer than cum on a mustache.