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Amnorix
01-03-2017, 01:07 PM
I just wanted to say congrats to the Chiefs on a great year. The stars really couldn't have aligned much better for the Pats and Chiefs to meet in the AFCCG this year. I'm sure you guys are rooting against the Pats in the divisional round so you get home field for the championship game, but I'm counting on seeing Pats/Chiefs in Foxboro on Sunday, January 22.

Reerun_KC
01-03-2017, 01:09 PM
Dude we will paste the Pats in foxhole.....

This team is steam rolling through the playoffs...

Direckshun
01-03-2017, 01:11 PM
Everybody get him!

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 01:12 PM
Dude we will paste the Pats in foxhole.....

This team is steam rolling through the playoffs...


Your total confidence and 2 bucks will buy you a cup of coffee....


...though not at Gillette. Coffee there is probably more like ten bucks.

Rooster
01-03-2017, 01:17 PM
Everybody get him!

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POND_OF_RED
01-03-2017, 01:17 PM
Brady be like, "Anyone, but the Chiefs"
http://cdn1.bloguin.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2014/09/tom-brady-upset-chiefs-patriots.jpeg

MIAdragon
01-03-2017, 01:19 PM
https://i.imgur.com/LxBlW7i.gif

Easy 6
01-03-2017, 01:21 PM
https://i.imgur.com/LxBlW7i.gif

LMAO

ptlyon
01-03-2017, 01:22 PM
Apparently can't dodge a wrench either

Steve Sewell
01-03-2017, 01:25 PM
Haha Pats fan is just hoping they don't have to face the Steelers.

pugsnotdrugs19
01-03-2017, 01:27 PM
I just wanted to say congrats to the Chiefs on a great year. The stars really couldn't have aligned much better for the Pats and Chiefs to meet in the AFCCG this year. I'm sure you guys are rooting against the Pats in the divisional round so you get home field for the championship game, but I'm counting on seeing Pats/Chiefs in Foxboro on Sunday, January 22.

Yeah, really the only reason I would prefer NE lose is that it would be at Foxboro... but part of me wants us to take the hard route too, which means through NE. I don't want any excuses or * if we do indeed get it done this year.

If we make it to that game, it should be fantastic. I am really excited to see how Belichick will approach gameplanning for our offense because there isn't really just one guy who you can bracket (ala TY Hilton in the past).

I hope the game happens.

TripleThreat
01-03-2017, 01:27 PM
Everybody get him!

ROFL i loled

wazu
01-03-2017, 01:28 PM
Haha Pats fan is just hoping they don't have to face the Steelers.

I know the feeling.

TripleThreat
01-03-2017, 01:28 PM
Haha Pats fan is just hoping they don't have to face the Steelers.


In no world, does the patriots play the steelers, unless the steelers beat us... Then its the AFC champ game between pitt and NE instead of KC and NE

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 01:29 PM
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Bring it on!

:bang: :bang: :bang:

http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o378/keito/IMG_0552-001.jpg

pugsnotdrugs19
01-03-2017, 01:29 PM
Haha Pats fan is just hoping they don't have to face the Steelers.

I would MUCH rather play Pittsburgh than KC if I was a Patriots fan.

KC presents more weapons all around offensively, a QB who can run, and a much better defense that can make game changing plays. Maybe they don't see it that way, but I sure would..

wazu
01-03-2017, 01:31 PM
I would MUCH rather play Pittsburgh than KC if I was a Patriots fan.

KC presents more weapons all around offensively, a QB who can run, and a much better defense that can make game changing plays. Maybe they don't see it that way, but I sure would..

Pittsburgh blew out the Chiefs.

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 01:32 PM
Brady be like, "Anyone, but the Chiefs"
http://cdn1.bloguin.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2014/09/tom-brady-upset-chiefs-patriots.jpeg

The GOAT be like "I think I got this".

http://www.patriots.com/sites/patriots.com/files/styles/borealis_gallery__full_respondsmall/public/media-ap/f1b927a9eba840ae841086f80daa175d.jpg?itok=KnRwP33c&timestamp=1452994123

pugsnotdrugs19
01-03-2017, 01:34 PM
Pittsburgh blew out the Chiefs.

That doesn't work in the NFL dude. Its a matchup league. Not to mention they were coming off of a blowout loss against the Eagles, playing at home on SNF....

If you're using that logic, the Chiefs beat the Pats and Seahawks in 2014 while losing to the 2-14 Titans.

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 01:34 PM
Haha Pats fan is just hoping they don't have to face the Steelers.


Actually I'll take Steelers over Chiefs. The usual "any given Sunday" applies, but Pats have completely owned the Steelers for 15 years to be honest. Ben/Bell/Brown are scary, but teams with no defense never beat the Pats.

The way the Pats lose is ALWAYS when the DL controls our OL and Brady has no time. That is basically the only formula for beating the Pats, and the Chiefs might have that formula with Ford/Houston, while the Steelers definitely do not.

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 01:35 PM
I would MUCH rather play Pittsburgh than KC if I was a Patriots fan.

KC presents more weapons all around offensively, a QB who can run, and a much better defense that can make game changing plays. Maybe they don't see it that way, but I sure would..


That is in fact exactly how I see it.

pugsnotdrugs19
01-03-2017, 01:36 PM
The way the Pats lose is ALWAYS when the DL controls our OL and Brady has no time. That is basically the only formula for beating the Pats, and the Chiefs might have that formula with Ford/Houston, while the Steelers definitely do not.

Don't forget Chris Jones and Poe... I think interior pressure is as or more important against Brady than anything and Jones gives us that in a way we haven't had in recent years. NE seems to be protecting Brady pretty well though. How did they block against DEN?

Buehler445
01-03-2017, 01:39 PM
Thanks man.

I'm damn excited but I have (hope I have) divorced myself from expectations in the playoffs. After the Indy debacle, I am shootinfor just wnjoying the ride.

Best of luck.

And die in a fire:).

PS. I've got an email I need to send your direction.

Chief_For_Life58
01-03-2017, 01:41 PM
Actually I'll take Steelers over Chiefs. The usual "any given Sunday" applies, but Pats have completely owned the Steelers for 15 years to be honest. Ben/Bell/Brown are scary, but teams with no defense never beat the Pats.

The way the Pats lose is ALWAYS when the DL controls our OL and Brady has no time. That is basically the only formula for beating the Pats, and the Chiefs might have that formula with Ford/Houston, while the Steelers definitely do not.

bing. we beat the steelers we will win the superbowl

Bowser
01-03-2017, 01:43 PM
I just wanted to say congrats to the Chiefs on a great year. The stars really couldn't have aligned much better for the Pats and Chiefs to meet in the AFCCG this year. I'm sure you guys are rooting against the Pats in the divisional round so you get home field for the championship game, but I'm counting on seeing Pats/Chiefs in Foxboro on Sunday, January 22.

https://media.giphy.com/media/rBrOVV4OfgPXW/giphy.gif

carcosa
01-03-2017, 01:46 PM
The GOAT be like "I think I got this".

http://www.patriots.com/sites/patriots.com/files/styles/borealis_gallery__full_respondsmall/public/media-ap/f1b927a9eba840ae841086f80daa175d.jpg?itok=KnRwP33c&timestamp=1452994123

Alex Smith is fine but I wouldn't call him the GOAT

carcosa
01-03-2017, 01:47 PM
After the Indy debacle, I am shootinfor just wnjoying the ride.


sjayme.

Steve Sewell
01-03-2017, 01:47 PM
In no world, does the patriots play the steelers, unless the steelers beat us... Then its the AFC champ game between pitt and NE instead of KC and NE

You're real smart.

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 01:48 PM
Don't forget Chris Jones and Poe... I think interior pressure is as or more important against Brady than anything and Jones gives us that in a way we haven't had in recent years. NE seems to be protecting Brady pretty well though. How did they block against DEN?


So here's the deal with the Pats OL -- it is MUCH better in 2016 than it was in 2015. I won't go on and on, but here's the bottom line:

1. Marcus Cannon is one MILLION times better this year than last year. Proof: He allowed fewer QB pressures/sacks in ALL of 2016 than he did in the 2015 playoff game against Denver alone. And completely stoned Von Miller in 2016 as part of that.

2. Nate Solder (IR last year) is healthy and playing well at LT.

3. Young OL better this year.

4. Dante Scarnecchia is back, and has really improved the whole OL.


It's like night and day. We CAN run the ball. We CAN pass protect. Amazing but true!

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 01:49 PM
Alex Smith is fine but I wouldn't call him the GOAT


Why? Just because Brady threw for more yards and TD in 12 games than Alex in 16?


:Poke:

eDave
01-03-2017, 01:50 PM
bing. we beat the steelers we will win the superbowl

Take it easy.

carcosa
01-03-2017, 01:53 PM
Why? Just because Brady threw for more yards and TD in 12 games than Alex in 16?


:Poke:

Yards and TDs are overrated. Alex has HEART!!!!!!

Chief Northman
01-03-2017, 01:53 PM
So here's the deal with the Pats OL -- it is MUCH better in 2016 than it was in 2015. I won't go on and on, but here's the bottom line:

1. Marcus Cannon is one MILLION times better this year than last year. Proof: He allowed fewer QB pressures/sacks in ALL of 2016 than he did in the 2015 playoff game against Denver alone. And completely stoned Von Miller in 2016 as part of that.

2. Nate Solder (IR last year) is healthy and playing well at LT.

3. Young OL better this year.

4. Dante Scarnecchia is back, and has really improved the whole OL.


It's like night and day. We CAN run the ball. We CAN pass protect. Amazing but true!

Agreed. The most notable difference by far. Losing Gronk hurts less considering how solid that O-line has played. Brady gets all the attention, but his job has been made so much easier this year because that Pats O-line is legit.

wazu
01-03-2017, 01:53 PM
Actually I'll take Steelers over Chiefs. The usual "any given Sunday" applies, but Pats have completely owned the Steelers for 15 years to be honest. Ben/Bell/Brown are scary, but teams with no defense never beat the Pats.

The way the Pats lose is ALWAYS when the DL controls our OL and Brady has no time. That is basically the only formula for beating the Pats, and the Chiefs might have that formula with Ford/Houston, while the Steelers definitely do not.

No defense? Steelers had 10 more sacks than the Chiefs. #12 ranked D. (Chiefs #24)

pugsnotdrugs19
01-03-2017, 01:55 PM
So here's the deal with the Pats OL -- it is MUCH better in 2016 than it was in 2015. I won't go on and on, but here's the bottom line:

1. Marcus Cannon is one MILLION times better this year than last year. Proof: He allowed fewer QB pressures/sacks in ALL of 2016 than he did in the 2015 playoff game against Denver alone. And completely stoned Von Miller in 2016 as part of that.

2. Nate Solder (IR last year) is healthy and playing well at LT.

3. Young OL better this year.

4. Dante Scarnecchia is back, and has really improved the whole OL.


It's like night and day. We CAN run the ball. We CAN pass protect. Amazing but true!

About what I figured... Scarnecchia was a nice boost.

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 01:57 PM
About what I figured... Scarnecchia was a nice boost.


That crazy old man is nails.

My favorite Scar story -- all NFL players and coaches must make themselves available to the media on Super Bowl media day so Scar -- who hates talking to reporters -- sits WAAAAY up in the nosebleed section of the stadium. Any reporter who wants to speak with him must pay the iron price of climbing all those steps.

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 01:59 PM
My favor Scar fact -- he was once the interim Patriots head coach.....


....in 1992. After Dick MacPherson got sick the year before he was fired and the Pats hired Parcells.

Rain Man
01-03-2017, 02:00 PM
No defense? Steelers had 10 more sacks than the Chiefs. #12 ranked D. (Chiefs #24)

Well, yeah, but they played the Browns twice. That's got to be 20 sacks or so.

wazu
01-03-2017, 02:03 PM
Well, yeah, but they played the Browns twice. That's got to be 20 sacks or so.

Agreed. And I'll take Chiefs D, but this myth that the Steelers suck on defense is wishful thinking.

Rooster
01-03-2017, 02:08 PM
Why? Just because Brady threw for more yards and TD in 12 games than Alex in 16?


:Poke:

That's cute but that's not how we measure QBs in KC. Check downs is where it's at my chowder eating friend. And Alex Smith has dominated in check downs for over a decade. ;)

Steve Sewell
01-03-2017, 02:09 PM
Well, yeah, but they played the Browns twice. That's got to be 20 sacks or so.

The Chiefs played the Broncos twice...

Rooster
01-03-2017, 02:11 PM
bing. we beat the steelers we will win the superbowl

Tap on this would ya?

pugsnotdrugs19
01-03-2017, 02:11 PM
The Chiefs played the Broncos twice...

The Browns surrendered 66 sacks this year to Denver's 40.

Rain Man
01-03-2017, 02:16 PM
The Chiefs played the Broncos twice...

Okay, that made me smile. I'll give you points for that.

prhom
01-03-2017, 02:20 PM
Don't forget Chris Jones and Poe... I think interior pressure is as or more important against Brady than anything and Jones gives us that in a way we haven't had in recent years. NE seems to be protecting Brady pretty well though. How did they block against DEN?

I thought our DL would the deciding factor in last year's game and in a way, it was. They utterly failed us and no other group was able to pick up the slack. We missed some INTs and had the fumble by Davis go against us as well. If the DL can pressure Brady this time then maybe things turn out our way. I've seen the DL play really well this year and play like they don't really care. I've got the feeling Houston just won't be a factor in the playoffs again so our other guys need to step up big time.

Simply Red
01-03-2017, 02:25 PM
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ptlyon
01-03-2017, 02:27 PM
Fucking great...

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 02:30 PM
Usually we all root for the underdog and all, but I am amused by the treatment of the Patriots as the NFL's Death Star. If you watch sports coverage, it's all "who can stop the Patriots?"

Not a complaint. Not at all. It's really a compliment actually, so can't complain.

lcarus
01-03-2017, 02:31 PM
In no world, does the patriots play the steelers, unless the steelers beat us... Then its the AFC champ game between pitt and NE instead of KC and NE

Well yeah. That's a real possibility.

eDave
01-03-2017, 02:32 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kGqisSEnKAk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Whelp. A cock picked us.

lcarus
01-03-2017, 02:32 PM
Usually we all root for the underdog and all, but I am amused by the treatment of the Patriots as the NFL's Death Star. If you watch sports coverage, it's all "who can stop the Patriots?"

Not a complaint. Not at all. It's really a compliment actually, so can't complain.

I'm certainly not confident the Chiefs can top the Pats on the road. I feel like we would have about a 35% chance.

Simply Red
01-03-2017, 02:35 PM
Whelp. A moron picked us.

actually he knows the game pretty well, he's just a cock. I like the love he gave us. It's not like it was Herm. :)

carcosa
01-03-2017, 02:38 PM
I'm certainly not confident the Chiefs can top the Pats on the road. I feel like we would have about a 35% chance.

More like 135%!!!

Bewbies
01-03-2017, 02:39 PM
Can't wait for Brady's dick to break and him to turn into Manning.

BlackHelicopters
01-03-2017, 02:42 PM
That was your plan? Get her!

Rain Man
01-03-2017, 02:44 PM
Usually we all root for the underdog and all, but I am amused by the treatment of the Patriots as the NFL's Death Star. If you watch sports coverage, it's all "who can stop the Patriots?"

Not a complaint. Not at all. It's really a compliment actually, so can't complain.

The Chiefs are the Ewoks that will bring down your evil empire.

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 02:47 PM
The Chiefs are the Ewoks that will bring down your evil empire.


Houston and Ford are like the two logs coming in to smash the AT-AT from the sides?


Meanwhile, this must be Tyreek Hill

https://media2.giphy.com/media/Y1wQCtBHV6joA/200.gif#47

Rain Man
01-03-2017, 02:48 PM
Houston and Ford are like the two logs coming in to smash the AT-AT from the sides?


Meanwhile, this must be Tyreek Hill

https://media2.giphy.com/media/Y1wQCtBHV6joA/200.gif#47

And we know who wears the hoodie in those movies. This is all playing out.

stevieray
01-03-2017, 02:52 PM
Pittsburgh blew out the Chiefs.

You think the players forgot, or don't want another shot?

I know I would.


That game was fluky.

Baby Lee
01-03-2017, 02:55 PM
Pittsburgh blew out the Chiefs.

Pittsburgh jumped way on top very early and held on. Not too much unlike some of our own dreaded 'foot off the gas' games under Andy, only they had a 22 point cushion instead of 17.

lcarus
01-03-2017, 02:57 PM
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So if its the Chiefs/Falcons in the Super Bowl, Skip "may not show up"? Why the hell not? Did he not watch the Chiefs vs Falcons earlier this season? It was a great game. What...if it's not the usual darlings in the Super Bowl for the fucking thousandth time he's not interested? Go fuck yourself.

New World Order
01-03-2017, 03:00 PM
As long as we monitor the ball pressure in Foxborough, we'll be fine.

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 03:01 PM
And we know who wears the hoodie in those movies. This is all playing out.


Yes, that determination was made long ago.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/002/036/345/17a39e41-2df8-4056-bfd3-dd789409f2c3_crop_north.jpg?w=630&h=420&q=75


https://bizzyberm.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/darth_belichick-2.jpg


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/03/68/70/036870d20a5fcc6a3ed2663d0dc1c0dd.jpg

wazu
01-03-2017, 03:03 PM
Pittsburgh jumped way on top very early and held on. Not too much unlike some of our own dreaded 'foot off the gas' games under Andy, only they had a 22 point cushion instead of 17.

It was one game and a lot can change. But it's also the most meaningful data point we have regarding how they match up.

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 03:03 PM
As long as we monitor the ball pressure in Foxborough, we'll be fine.


Right, because Brady has definitely not been totally dominant since Deflategate!

eDave
01-03-2017, 03:27 PM
Right, because Brady has definitely not been totally dominant since Deflategate!

Chill

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/77/ee/28/77ee2860157b80e194580e493523e24e.jpg

BlackOp
01-03-2017, 04:08 PM
The interesting thing, to me, is that KC played NE in almost the same environment last season. Sutton should have a basic idea of how McDaniels is going to attack KC. No Gronk this time adds a new twist as does having Houston healthy...Edleman is the guy that the Chiefs have to stop.

On the other side is where KC has the advantage...Maclin, Ware, West were all out. Chiefs didn't have Hill or Schwartz. Tyreek has opened up the other positions since he started scoring 60 yard TDs every game. Kelce setting records is because they have to account for Hill. Smith is running again because teams cant afford a spy. Defenses cant just double Maclin anymore. Its not a surprise that Connely had a good game against SD...

Bottom line is Hill was Reid's missing blue-chip piece to the puzzle....

This will be a great chess match between Andy and Belichick...if KC gets that far.

Steve Sewell
01-03-2017, 04:11 PM
The interesting thing, to me, is that KC played NE in almost the same environment last season. Sutton should have a basic idea of how McDaniels is going to attack KC. No Gronk this time adds a new twist as does having Houston healthy...Edleman is the guy that the Chiefs have to stop.

On the other side is where KC has the advantage...Maclin, Ware, West were all out. Chiefs didn't have Hill or Schwartz. Tyreek has opened up the other positions since he started scoring 60 yard TDs every game. Kelce setting records is because they have to account for Hill. Smith is running again because teams cant afford a spy. Defenses cant just double Maclin anymore.

This will be a great chess match between Reid and Belichick...

According to you the NFL is rigged, so how does anything you said above have anything to do with the potential outcome of the game?

BlackOp
01-03-2017, 04:24 PM
According to you the NFL is rigged, so how does anything you said above have anything to do with the potential outcome of the game?

It is rigged...my post was based on a game where the refs/ NYC "command center"/profit have no determining influence. I still enjoy the strategic aspect of the sport...

I have no delusions in that the NFL would much rather have a Steelers/Patriots AFCC....we're talking 10's (if not 100's) of millions of dollars at stake.

*edit* just realized you're a Donko troll...so...go f#ck yourself.

KChiefs1
01-03-2017, 04:30 PM
Going against Pittsburgh & New England wouldn't be the easy route.


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eDave
01-03-2017, 04:34 PM
actually he knows the game pretty well, he's just a cock. I like the love he gave us. It's not like it was Herm. :)

FMP

stevieray
01-03-2017, 04:34 PM
About time somebody dethroned the Pats and Steelers..playing in those weak ass divisions.

:D

ChiefRocka
01-03-2017, 05:25 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0D9POUVQAAI8NX.jpg

Amnorix
01-03-2017, 05:59 PM
The interesting thing, to me, is that KC played NE in almost the same environment last season. Sutton should have a basic idea of how McDaniels is going to attack KC. No Gronk this time adds a new twist as does having Houston healthy...Edleman is the guy that the Chiefs have to stop.

We had no run game last year, and it's the Patriots. They never really do anything the same way twice. They "spin the dial" better than any NFL team. It's why they've been ridiculous for so damn long. That and Mr. GOAT of course.

On the other side is where KC has the advantage...Maclin, Ware, West were all out. Chiefs didn't have Hill or Schwartz. Tyreek has opened up the other positions since he started scoring 60 yard TDs every game. Kelce setting records is because they have to account for Hill. Smith is running again because teams cant afford a spy. Defenses cant just double Maclin anymore. Its not a surprise that Connely had a good game against SD...

Bottom line is Hill was Reid's missing blue-chip piece to the puzzle....

This will be a great chess match between Andy and Belichick...if KC gets that far.


Agreed that your offense is better. So is the Patriots defense ---- in theory. It seems better, it's statistically better, etc., but the quality of opponents has been lacking.

Will be a good game I think. One that the Pats should win, but not a slam dunk by any means I don't think.

lewdog
01-03-2017, 06:03 PM
Do you live over there OP?

New World Order
01-03-2017, 06:04 PM
We had no run game last year, and it's the Patriots. They never really do anything the same way twice. They "spin the dial" better than any NFL team. It's why they've been ridiculous for so damn long. That and Mr. GOAT of course.




Agreed that your offense is better. So is the Patriots defense ---- in theory. It seems better, it's statistically better, etc., but the quality of opponents has been lacking.

Will be a good game I think. One that the Pats should win, but not a slam dunk by any means I don't think.


Ne isn't going to the SB. Whoever wins the Pitt/KC game is SB bound.

Buckweath
01-03-2017, 06:33 PM
The Chiefs are very unlikely to win at Foxboro. That is very clear in my mind. Im hoping for a good game though
..

Pablo
01-03-2017, 06:37 PM
I'm just hoping for a Brady career-ender in their first playoff game! Is that too much to ask for?

KChiefs1
01-03-2017, 06:50 PM
I'm trying to remember all of the injuries in last year's game.

Houston - out
Maclin - out

I know I'm missing a few others.


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Chief Northman
01-03-2017, 06:53 PM
About time somebody dethroned the Pats and Steelers..playing in those weak ass divisions.

:D

Not understanding the smiley face.

When was the last time the Pats played a SOS in the top 1/4 of the league? AFC East has been a joke for too long. The North is a tough division though with regards to the style of play. Lewis and Harbaugh are good coaches that just need a few more pieces. Pitt has that explosive offense, but coaching and consistency are issues.

It is a good thing the AFC WEST is competitive again. Both the Chiefs and Raiders earned their stripes this year playing tougher schedules than first anticipated. Battle tested. Here's to hoping the Steelers and Pats get roughed up somewhat before facing KC.

pugsnotdrugs19
01-03-2017, 07:08 PM
I'm trying to remember all of the injuries in last year's game.

Houston - out
Maclin - out

I know I'm missing a few others.


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Ware, Morse, LDT

JD10367
01-03-2017, 07:15 PM
The interesting thing, to me, is that KC played NE in almost the same environment last season. Sutton should have a basic idea of how McDaniels is going to attack KC. No Gronk this time adds a new twist as does having Houston healthy...Edleman is the guy that the Chiefs have to stop.

The same environment? This Patriots offense is nothing like it. The Patriots' offense this year is sneaky-good. It could be the best they've ever had. The O-line is playing as solid as I've ever seen a Patriots O-line play that didn't have a guy named John Hannah on it. This is the first year that a Gronkless offense doesn't mean a TE-less offense, since Martellus Bennett is good enough to start--and star--on most teams. The aforementioned O-line and the trio of Blount, Lewis, and White gives the Pats the best rushing attack they've had since clock-killin' Corey Dillon. The WR position? Also the deepest they've ever had, with Amendola hopefully coming back to join Edelman, Chris Hogan, emerging rookie Mitchell, and now they've added Michael Floyd for chump change. Oh, yeah, and the quarterback's kinda good.

The problem the Patriots pose is that they can beat you however they need to beat you, as long as the O-line gives Brady time. You put eight in the box and Brady will kill you. You bring in nickel and dime packages and Blount and friends will kill you. Screen passes, deep passes, over the middle, to the sideline, to the running backs, to the tight end, whatever they need to do. Belichick takes what you do best away, and concentrates on what you do worst.

For the Chiefs to win an AFCCG in Foxboro, they're going to need to create at least two turnovers on D and have a big runback on ST. Because Alex doesn't have the weapons or ability to match Brady score for score and--as good of a coach as he is--Reid is no Belichick.

Rain Man
01-03-2017, 07:16 PM
Ware, Morse, LDT

Charles, of course. Were we missing one of the DEs?

cdcox
01-03-2017, 07:17 PM
Bernard Pollard is available...

Bring him in for a look?

JD10367
01-03-2017, 07:19 PM
P.S.: in the Pats/Chiefs playoff game, the Patriots rushed for a grand total of 38 yards, and their third-best WR in the game was Keshawn Martin. Yes, they had Gronk, but the rest of it was pretty pathetic... and they still scored 27 points.

pugsnotdrugs19
01-03-2017, 07:21 PM
Because Alex doesn't have the weapons or ability to match Brady score for score and--as good of a coach as he is--Reid is no Belichick.

Lol wut

St. Patty's Fire
01-03-2017, 07:22 PM
Make no mistake, the Patriots are still an excellent team with the greatest coach to ever walk the earth, but in terms of roster talent, this is one of the more unimpressive Pats teams of the last few years. Whereas this is probably the most talented Chiefs roster in over a decade.

I feel very good about beating the Pats, even in Foxboro. I was watching highlights of the playoff loss last year, and what was crazy about that game is that we were outplayed, both by ourselves and by the Pats, and it was STILL a one score game. Believe we turned the ball over three times, and the Pats got good field position off two of them, while the other was in/near the red zone. And this team is better than last years.

pugsnotdrugs19
01-03-2017, 07:27 PM
Dude, I'm just going to get this out of the way right now. Belichick is the GOAT of coaches, true, fact.

But there isn't a single f**king coach in the world who can scheme and take away Kelce, Hill, and Maclin. Sell out to do it and Conley and Wilson can make plays too 1 on 1. You can double one, but at some point its just man to man who's gonna be better.

It's no coincidence that Alex all of the sudden started running the ball, or that Ware/West started to perk up. Teams have to respect Hill's speed. He will run by corners with a cushion. Kelce is a matchup problem that no other team currently has.

Would we be favored? No. But to write the Chiefs off or think BB can 'take away' their weapons is f**king asinine.

St. Patty's Fire
01-03-2017, 07:28 PM
Dude, I'm just going to get this out of the way right now. Belichick is the GOAT of coaches, true, fact.

But there isn't a single f**king coach in the world who can scheme and take away Kelce, Hill, and Maclin. Sell out to do it and Conley and Wilson can make plays too. You can double one, but at some point its just man to man who's gonna be better.

It's no coincidence that Alex all of the sudden started running the ball, or that Ware/West started to perk up. Teams have to respect Hill's speed. He will run by corners with a cushion. Kelce is a matchup problem that no other team currently has.

Would we be favored? No. But to write the Chiefs off or think BB can 'take away' their weapons is f**king asinine.

Completely agree. People just say "Alex Smith over Tom Brady lol no" as if those are the only two players on the field.

Outside of QB, the Chiefs have more talent than the Patriots this year, and I don't think that's debatable.

TigeRRUppeRRcut
01-03-2017, 07:29 PM
Smith is going to go vintage "Young Tom Brady" and game manage his way to a win in Foxboro.

pugsnotdrugs19
01-03-2017, 07:37 PM
Completely agree. People just say "Alex Smith over Tom Brady lol no" as if those are the only two players on the field.

Outside of QB, the Chiefs have more talent than the Patriots this year, and I don't think that's debatable.

I think people actually forget sometimes that there are only 11 players on defense. A team has a couple playmakers and fans are like "just double him and him and we're good".

Nah, not even possible. Hypothetically, lets say KC is in their 11 personnel. You have your OL, Alex, Ware, Kelce, Hill, Maclin, and Conley out there.

The defense will have 6-7 in the box (can't go 8 or Hill will hit paydirt). At best you can double one guy. If I had to guess, BB will do it to Kelce.

But other than that, its can your guys cover Maclin, Hill, or Conley 1v1? And the answer most times is no.

chinaski
01-03-2017, 07:41 PM
Completely agree. People just say "Alex Smith over Tom Brady lol no" as if those are the only two players on the field.

Outside of QB, the Chiefs have more talent than the Patriots this year, and I don't think that's debatable.

Yup. Combine that with the talent we have in Hill, Jones, and Ford coming into his own, it's a completely different dynamic than last year. That and the fact that we aren't all beat to hell.

We can win this.

Reerun_KC
01-03-2017, 07:45 PM
Your total confidence and 2 bucks will buy you a cup of coffee....


...though not at Gillette. Coffee there is probably more like ten bucks.

I have plentynof confidence as does Andy and Alex.

Dick stomping on your aaa is coming.

KChiefs1
01-03-2017, 07:46 PM
P.S.: in the Pats/Chiefs playoff game, the Patriots rushed for a grand total of 38 yards, and their third-best WR in the game was Keshawn Martin. Yes, they had Gronk, but the rest of it was pretty pathetic... and they still scored 27 points.


Last year's playoff game:
https://youtu.be/DcJJptjexkc

2014 regular season game:
https://youtu.be/HCQyoCpVia4









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BigRedChief
01-03-2017, 07:55 PM
Pittsburgh jumped way on top very early and held on. Not too much unlike some of our own dreaded 'foot off the gas' games under Andy, only they had a 22 point cushion instead of 17.Hill is the game changer against Pitt and NE. You can't plan for that speed.

Belicheck is the best at taking your best out of the game and forcing your team to beat him with your other players. But, How can he take away speed?

pugsnotdrugs19
01-03-2017, 07:55 PM
P.S.: in the Pats/Chiefs playoff game, the Patriots rushed for a grand total of 38 yards, and their third-best WR in the game was Keshawn Martin. Yes, they had Gronk, but the rest of it was pretty pathetic... and they still scored 27 points.

The Chiefs played Jason Avant and Frankie Hammond for a good chunk of that game at wideout.

Please leave the past in the past.

Baby Lee
01-03-2017, 08:10 PM
Hill is the game changer against Pitt and NE. You can't plan for that speed.

Belicheck is the best at taking your best out of the game and forcing your team to beat him with your other players. But, How can he take away speed?

That's an excellent point I meant to include earlier.

There's a lot you can scheme, but if Belichick can coach someone into a faster 40 time in the next two weeks, forget the HoF and straight to Valhalla.

KChiefs1
01-03-2017, 11:38 PM
The Chiefs played Jason Avant and Frankie Hammond for a good chunk of that game at wideout.



Please leave the past in the past.



Chiefs added Tyreek Hill & the Pats lost Gronk.




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BWillie
01-03-2017, 11:41 PM
Dude, I'm just going to get this out of the way right now. Belichick is the GOAT of coaches, true, fact.

But there isn't a single f**king coach in the world who can scheme and take away Kelce, Hill, and Maclin. Sell out to do it and Conley and Wilson can make plays too 1 on 1. You can double one, but at some point its just man to man who's gonna be better.

It's no coincidence that Alex all of the sudden started running the ball, or that Ware/West started to perk up. Teams have to respect Hill's speed. He will run by corners with a cushion. Kelce is a matchup problem that no other team currently has.

Would we be favored? No. But to write the Chiefs off or think BB can 'take away' their weapons is f**king asinine.

We have all of those weapons and Alex Smith can still only manage to produce the 21st best offense in the NFL.

Pasta Little Brioni
01-03-2017, 11:44 PM
Aren't you the same pussy coward who cried, stomped his feet, and ran away when a mod changed your user name ROFL so much self worth tied to that fraud team

Pasta Little Brioni
01-03-2017, 11:45 PM
We have all of those weapons and Alex Smith can still only manage to produce the 21st best offense in the NFL.

500 yards on Denver and scored nearly every possession in Eggo. Iffense is hitting it's stride brah

Pasta Little Brioni
01-03-2017, 11:46 PM
P.S.: in the Pats/Chiefs playoff game, the Patriots rushed for a grand total of 38 yards, and their third-best WR in the game was Keshawn Martin. Yes, they had Gronk, but the rest of it was pretty pathetic... and they still scored 27 points.

You beat an injury riddled crippled KC team...congrats

TripleThreat
01-03-2017, 11:52 PM
I think people actually forget sometimes that there are only 11 players on defense. A team has a couple playmakers and fans are like "just double him and him and we're good".

Nah, not even possible. Hypothetically, lets say KC is in their 11 personnel. You have your OL, Alex, Ware, Kelce, Hill, Maclin, and Conley out there.

The defense will have 6-7 in the box (can't go 8 or Hill will hit paydirt). At best you can double one guy. If I had to guess, BB will do it to Kelce.

But other than that, its can your guys cover Maclin, Hill, or Conley 1v1? And the answer most times is no.

I read somewhere that new England likes to double your best weapon all game. Literally take them out of the game and force you to beat them with other players. But imo this won't work against us because we have so many play makers. Conley and maclin are no demarius and emmanuel, but they are still solid players, and then u add in kelce, and hill....

KChiefs1
01-04-2017, 12:18 AM
https://www.facebook.com/realnflnewsandupdates/videos/1895063100715137/






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beach tribe
01-04-2017, 12:34 AM
The same environment? This Patriots offense is nothing like it. The Patriots' offense this year is sneaky-good. It could be the best they've ever had. The O-line is playing as solid as I've ever seen a Patriots O-line play that didn't have a guy named John Hannah on it. This is the first year that a Gronkless offense doesn't mean a TE-less offense, since Martellus Bennett is good enough to start--and star--on most teams. The aforementioned O-line and the trio of Blount, Lewis, and White gives the Pats the best rushing attack they've had since clock-killin' Corey Dillon. The WR position? Also the deepest they've ever had, with Amendola hopefully coming back to join Edelman, Chris Hogan, emerging rookie Mitchell, and now they've added Michael Floyd for chump change. Oh, yeah, and the quarterback's kinda good.

The problem the Patriots pose is that they can beat you however they need to beat you, as long as the O-line gives Brady time. You put eight in the box and Brady will kill you. You bring in nickel and dime packages and Blount and friends will kill you. Screen passes, deep passes, over the middle, to the sideline, to the running backs, to the tight end, whatever they need to do. Belichick takes what you do best away, and concentrates on what you do worst.

For the Chiefs to win an AFCCG in Foxboro, they're going to need to create at least two turnovers on D and have a big runback on ST. Because Alex doesn't have the weapons or ability to match Brady score for score and--as good of a coach as he is--Reid is no Belichick.

After a bye he is

beach tribe
01-04-2017, 12:37 AM
If we beat New England I believe it will be because of Tyreek Hill. Whether just exploding in one phase of the game or more or freeing up things for Maclin and Kelsey I believe it's all going to hinge on Hill.

Pasta Little Brioni
01-04-2017, 12:38 AM
How pathetic do you have to be to smugly gloat on an opposing team's board...a NON divisional one at that. Absolutely pathetic.

stevieray
01-04-2017, 01:07 AM
We have all of those weapons and Alex Smith can still only manage to produce the 21st best offense in the NFL.
WTF cares?


DV's offense was best in the league.


We swept and won the Division. ..damn.

BlackOp
01-04-2017, 01:11 AM
If we beat New England I believe it will be because of Tyreek Hill. Whether just exploding in one phase of the game or more or freeing up things for Maclin and Kelsey I believe it's all going to hinge on Hill.

The thing is...incorporating Hill is a relatively new development. You saw it in the recent Denver/San Diego games. Neither could stop KC's offense. It didn't look like the same team. Smith is a mis-match QB. They routed Denver and put up 250 yards in one quarter. Donkos were fighting for their playoff lives. I think the Titans game really made Reid take notice...unless he was playing possum. Ignoring Kelce and Hill for the entire second half was very bizarre.

Andy did make a point in his presser of "sticking with what works"...and too much time lends itself to over complicated game plans.

I will say that once Reid/Sutton face a coach...they usually don't lose the next time. Once they faced Kubiak/Wade...KC beat them 3 in a row. They were 6-0 in the division...and 11-1 over two years. They made Carr look like a rookie. It'll be interesting what they have dialed up for Haley. He's an extremely average coordinator with great players.

Eureka
01-04-2017, 02:04 AM
Might as well not even have the other 4 playoff teams in the AFC play. This thread proves it!

C3HIEF3S
01-04-2017, 04:07 AM
How pathetic do you have to be to smugly gloat on an opposing team's board...a NON divisional one at that. Absolutely pathetic.

I think the bigger question would be how a Patriots fan compiles 38k posts on a Chiefs forum. ROFL

I am just curious as to how that happens. I'm not hating, but very, genuinely curious. Why a Chiefs forum?

New World Order
01-04-2017, 05:33 AM
If we beat New England I believe it will be because of Tyreek Hill. Whether just exploding in one phase of the game or more or freeing up things for Maclin and Kelsey I believe it's all going to hinge on Hill.


And turnovers.

New World Order
01-04-2017, 05:35 AM
Right, because Brady has definitely not been totally dominant since Deflategate!


Well, we don't know what or when the next scandal will rear its ugly head.

It's probably soon.

Amnorix
01-04-2017, 08:13 AM
I'm trying to remember all of the injuries in last year's game.

Houston - out
Maclin - out

I know I'm missing a few others.


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Ware, Morse, LDT

Charles, of course. Were we missing one of the DEs?


Out for last year's game? Here's a list:


starting left tackle Nate Solder
starting RB Lagarette Blount
RB/3rd down back hybrid Dion Lewis
FB James Develin (one of the top two FBs in the NFL)
LB Jerod Mayo
starting guard Ryan Wendell
and quite literally ten other guys.

Pats ended the season with 19 guys on IR. Sure some were backups or first year players, but many others were contributors who were missed.

Amnorix
01-04-2017, 08:13 AM
Well, we don't know what or when the next scandal will rear its ugly head.

It's probably soon.


Sure, the NFL has proven it can make up whatever scandal it wants and then penalize a team for it.

Amnorix
01-04-2017, 08:14 AM
I think the bigger question would be how a Patriots fan compiles 38k posts on a Chiefs forum. ROFL

I am just curious as to how that happens. I'm not hating, but very, genuinely curious. Why a Chiefs forum?


The warm, good-hearted and welcoming atmosphere. :D

RunKC
01-04-2017, 08:17 AM
Pats have had a cakewalk schedule this season and will probably have another cake walk in the division round.

Must be nice to play in the easiest division in football.

Amnorix
01-04-2017, 08:26 AM
Pats have had a cakewalk schedule this season and will probably have another cake walk in the division round.

Must be nice to play in the easiest division in football.


Because the AFC East is so much worse than the AFC South? Or perhaps the NFC South (some years, certainly), or NFC North?

Heck, this year the AFC East > NFC North. Pats > Steelers, Miami > Ravens, Bills > Bengals, and Jets > Browns in terms of regular season record.

I can do the same with NFC West. Pats > SEahawks, Miami > Arizona, Bills > Rams, Jets > Niners.

So quit the damn whining about the schedules/divisions. Yes, the AFC **WEST** is tough. We all can acknowledge that. But the AFC East isn't unusually soft.

Red Dawg
01-04-2017, 08:36 AM
Because the AFC East is so much worse than the AFC South? Or perhaps the NFC South (some years, certainly), or NFC North?

Heck, this year the AFC East > NFC North. Pats > Steelers, Miami > Ravens, Bills > Bengals, and Jets > Browns in terms of regular season record.

I can do the same with NFC West. Pats > SEahawks, Miami > Arizona, Bulls > Rams, Jets > Niners.

So quit the damn whining about the schedules/divisions. Yes, the AFC **WEST** is tough. We all can acknowledge that. But the AFC East isn't unusually soft.

Not soft? The AFC East? You sound as stupid as ever. Always soft and have been for 15 years that's why the same team always wins it. If it wasn't weak ass hell that wouldn't happen. Manning had it easy as well. If either played in any other division their history would be much different.

Amnorix
01-04-2017, 08:43 AM
Not soft? The AFC East? You sound as stupid as ever. Always soft and have been for 15 years.

If we're talking 15 years, then:

Compared to the AFC West and North? Yes. Compared to the AFC South? Definitely not.

Compared to the NFC East? Yes. Compared to the other three divisions? Nah.

Which makes the AFC East pretty much average. Dont' see how anyone can argue the AFC South has been a stronger division over the past 15 years than the East.

Pasta Little Brioni
01-04-2017, 09:10 AM
...and it took THREE major cheating scandals to overcome that shit division

Chiefnj2
01-04-2017, 09:22 AM
KC presents more weapons all around offensively, ..

You lost all credibility.

pugsnotdrugs19
01-04-2017, 09:28 AM
You lost all credibility.

Bell and Brown are easier to gameplan for than Kelce, Hill, and Maclin.... guarantee it.

pugsnotdrugs19
01-04-2017, 09:34 AM
The thing is...incorporating Hill is a relatively new development. You saw it in the recent Denver/San Diego games. Neither could stop KC's offense. It didn't look like the same team. Smith is a mis-match QB. They routed Denver and put up 250 yards in one quarter. Donkos were fighting for their playoff lives. I think the Titans game really made Reid take notice...unless he was playing possum. Ignoring Kelce and Hill for the entire second half was very bizarre.


The film shows that teams aren't putting 8 in the box any longer. They never give Hill less than a 8 yard cushion. He opens up everything. He is the Chiefs biggest gamechanger right now and I feel confident in saying that.

If I was playing the Chiefs, zone defenses would be your best bet probably but even then, if the pass protection is holding up like it has been you have all day to find the open man.

Its hard for some on here to accept but the fact of the matter is, the Chiefs are extremely f**king hard to cover right now.

Amnorix
01-04-2017, 10:30 AM
...and it took THREE major cheating scandals to overcome that shit division


Yeah, sure. Because they have totally not been dominating since these "major cheating scandals" were uncovered.

Chiefnj2
01-04-2017, 01:39 PM
Bell and Brown are easier to gameplan for than Kelce, Hill, and Maclin.... guarantee it.

You are delusional. Maclin has been completely underwhelming all year. Hill, or shall I say Andy, has been extremely inconsistent. 2 of his last three games Hill had ZERO receptions. Other teams either took him away as a receiver, or Andy was a dipshit. Kelce is a nice weapon between the 20's, but has been underwhelming in the red zone. Pittsburgh's offense is much more dangerous and harder to stop.

Chief Northman
01-04-2017, 01:47 PM
Jeepers folks, quit engaging with Amnorix to spare us all his court defense lawyering of the Patriots franchise - have you not learned? It is his schtick. He is the Jehovah's witness of Patriot lore and when he comes knocking, don't answer the door!

BlackOp
01-04-2017, 01:48 PM
Pittsburgh's offense is much more dangerous and harder to stop.

Meh...Steelers average less than a point more than the Chiefs. People are acting like they are the Falcons...

Chief Northman
01-04-2017, 01:50 PM
Meh...Steelers average less than a point more than the Chiefs. People are acting like they are the Falcons...

And a vastly different team on the road....

Chiefnj2
01-04-2017, 02:09 PM
Meh...Steelers average less than a point more than the Chiefs. People are acting like they are the Falcons...

Does that average include special teams and defensive TD's?

Plus, the Steelers are healthy now.

pugsnotdrugs19
01-04-2017, 02:53 PM
You are delusional. Maclin has been completely underwhelming all year. Hill, or shall I say Andy, has been extremely inconsistent. 2 of his last three games Hill had ZERO receptions. Other teams either took him away as a receiver, or Andy was a dipshit. Kelce is a nice weapon between the 20's, but has been underwhelming in the red zone. Pittsburgh's offense is much more dangerous and harder to stop.

They aren't all three going to have huge games every week dude. That's why it works. Because you focus on one and then the other one or two are going to burn you.

You talk about the games that Hill didn't have a catch as if he didn't also run a 70 yard TD in both of them. Kelce is THE best mismatch in the NFL right now. Maclin played well against TEN and SD and is finally looking healthy.

Kelce, Hill, Maclin, Ware, Conley > Bell, Brown, Green, Cobi Hamilton, Eli Rogers

stumppy
01-04-2017, 03:15 PM
.

Kelce, Hill, Maclin, Ware, Conley,Smith < Rothlesberger, Bell, Brown, Green, Cobi Hamilton, Eli Rogers

This will make a difference

Amnorix
01-04-2017, 03:17 PM
They aren't all three going to have huge games every week dude. That's why it works. Because you focus on one and then the other one or two are going to burn you.

You talk about the games that Hill didn't have a catch as if he didn't also run a 70 yard TD in both of them. Kelce is THE best mismatch in the NFL right now. Maclin played well against TEN and SD and is finally looking healthy.

Kelce, Hill, Maclin, Ware, Conley > Bell, Brown, Green, Cobi Hamilton, Eli Rogers


I agree with that, but because Ben >>> Alex, I would take the Steelers offense as a total package over the Chiefs' offense.

BlackOp
01-04-2017, 03:36 PM
Dont forget about Smith starting to run again....people pretend like that isn't a big advantage. Big Rape is a statue...

beach tribe
01-04-2017, 03:43 PM
The same environment? This Patriots offense is nothing like it. The Patriots' offense this year is sneaky-good. It could be the best they've ever had..

Lmao WUT?

Maye you'd like to forget about 2008, but it happened.

That was EASILY your best offense ever.

lewdog
01-04-2017, 06:18 PM
Hey bitch, answer my question!

KChiefs1
01-04-2017, 09:57 PM
And a vastly different team on the road....



Pittsburgh Steelers Weakness:
Road Performance

This one's a little bit different from the others partially because the Steelers don't have many blatant weaknesses. They're 21st against the pass and 15th against the rush, so while defense isn't a strength, it's not what figures to hold them back. Their performance on the road, however, could.

This table shows the splits of the Steelers based on where they're playing. Because Ben Roethlisberger is all healthy, only games in which he was the starter were included, meaning we have a sample of six games at home and eight on the road.

Venue..Points Per Game.....Yards Per Game.....Scoring Differential
Home: 30.50pts 414.83yds +10.67
Road: 21.63pts 348.25yds +2.00

They still had a positive scoring differential on the road, but it didn't even sniff their performance at home. This is a well-known weakness for the Steelers, but the facts back up the narrative.

Obviously, this won't be an issue in the first round as they host the Dolphins. After that, though, they'll have to go on the road to face either the Kansas City Chiefs or the Patriots in the second round. If they do, expect heavier struggles for the Steelers' offense than they experience at home.


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St. Patty's Fire
01-04-2017, 09:58 PM
Getting the home field advantage next was YUUUUUGGGGGEEEE. I would be lukewarm about going into Pit. At KC? I'd be surprised if we lost, tbh.

KChiefs1
01-05-2017, 01:13 PM
https://youtu.be/iyzT-C6EBpg








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BlackOp
01-05-2017, 01:38 PM
Damn...NE played Cleveland, San Fran, Jets twice, Bills twice, Rams, Bengals and Cardinals

Half of their games were against bottom 10 teams. That will inflate the stats...going 3-1 with back-up QBs was impressive though.

The only Playoff teams they faced were Miami twice (once with a back-up QB), Texans w/ Brock, Steelers with a back-up QB,
and Seattle...three being at home.

The best QB they faced was Wilson...and he beat them.

KC faced Ryan, Carr twice, Rivers twice, Luck, Newton and Brees...and beat them all. Five of those games being away. Two of those QBs are in the race for MVP.

RaidersOftheCellar
01-07-2017, 04:36 PM
Sure, the NFL has proven it can make up whatever scandal it wants and then penalize a team for it.

All of the Patriots' scandals have been made up? You can downplay "Deflategate," but in my opinion that was an attempt to humble an organization which had begun to defy those who had helped them become a dynasty, dating back to the tuck call which kick-started their run, then looking the other way at numerous incidents of outright cheating. I'll give credit where it's due, and the organization still deserves plenty, but clearly they didn't become what they are solely due to a failed head coach finding his inner genius and a 7th round pick blossoming into the GOAT.