Conceal Carry weapon choices

[Holladay]

Probably a re-post, didn't see it after a quick search.

I am buy no means a gun expert but know my way around them (ex-military)

My wife is seriously looking to CC. That thought alone shocked me. She is quite against guns. She is German and with all the issues Germany has now and stuff here in the states, wants to pursue this privilege. I will as well.

Another thought is what is the best way to figure out which states allow. I have surfed the web and it is a bit confusing. She will be house sitting in SC for a month. Thus a long trip by herself through many states. As I understand, KY will prove the hardest state.

I have taken her out in our back 40 to practice. I have a 9mm CZ 75 that I bought while stationed in Germany. It is similar to the Beretta 9mm. She is a natural. The practice and repetition is the key as we all know. It is to big for CC. She will be carrying in her purse..eer er "hand bag" ( I got corrected from a female fashionista).

We are on a budget and not into an elite weapon. Something that goes bang and scares the would be bad guy. I was hoping for less then $400.

We have tried a few different types. Revolver vs Semi. Revolver is simpler but limited ammo. Semi is harder to operate but has more "bangs".

My parents have a Makarov 9x18. I thought it was junk, but find out it is quite decent. It is a Walther PPK variant. Cheap ~$300. I read a review about women and hand guns. The author stated that a point is the strength/size of women's hands. Thus semi is not a good option unless she is a masseuse. I giggled, because she is. Her hands are as big as mine which are medium/large guys paws. She has had a little problem pulling the slide back and on another old (S&W Defender) revolver the trigger squeeze.

I will use the Defender, not necessarily CC, in my car. If I can find ammo for it. That is another problem. The CZ stays at home.

Thoughts?

[SportsVideoGuy]

A simple .22 is fine or a 9mm. I'm not the most versed in handguns, simply because I was raised on rifles and loved my M4 in service.

Take her to a range. Try the 5 or 6 guns you believe would suit her and in your price range... you know her best, after all. You can EASILY find a quality arm for less than $400 that's CC.

[nychief]

Tim Gunn.

http://dlisted.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/timgunnannawintour2015.jpg

[Hoover]

M&P 9mm Shield
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-0

Sig P320 9mm
https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p320/

[jjchieffan]

CC permit is no longer required in MO since Jan 1. I may start carrying my Glock 9mm.

[frozenchief]

It is a little more than you want to spend, but I would get a Glock 27. It is a small Glock in .40, so you have a good caliber with lots of ammo choices. It is small enough to carry but it sounds like your wife could handle the extra recoil of the .40. New they start about $495, but I bet you could find a used one for less.

If you want more info, check out:

http://www.tophandgunreviews.com/Glock_27.html

[Dunit35]

2nd on the M&P Shield 9mm. I carry it off duty and love it. I use a IWB holster made by CYA supply, a veteran owned company, made in US. Got it off Amazon for $40. Don't even notice when I'm carrying.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Guns are gonna be cheap now . No moar Obama . Buy all the firearms you can.

[BigOlChiefsfan]

That makarov is a good choice for your stated needs/price - and we may be importing them again soon. Not that the price will drop much, but they'll be easier to buy. Anyone who owns one now doesn't really want to part with it (we still import some surplus guns, but Russian ones became verboten thanks to Dear Leader)
I'm fond of the Glock 19, used models will be in your price range. Police trade ins come and go, but if you've got your mind made up and your money hidden away they're easy to grab now and then. Here's a gun dealer over in Grain Valley who handles a lot of police trade ins as well as new guns - he'll send your 'new to you' gun to a local yokel dealer as part of the sale. A good place to check real world prices. http://summitgunbroker.com/glocks.html

[notorious]

You have to be patient to find one to fit your budget, but the Sig P238 is very nice. Perfect for small hands and the slide is very easy to rack.


Stay away from Ruger LC9. Your wife will hate it's heavy slide, muzzle hop, and recoil. I ****ing hate that gun. Have one with built-in laser in my safe I should throw into the trash.

[dmahurin]

Get her a 9mm. Do not get a .40 or .45. Get critical defense ammo and a 9mm will expand to the same size and penetration depth of a .45. The m&p shield or a slringfield xd are great guns. MO and KS do not require a permit or license to concealed carry. The laws on where you can and cant carry are important to know.

[dmahurin]

The FBI and a ton of police departments are going back to the 9mm. Cant say enough positive things about the 9mm.

[Munson]

For the wife, I'd stick with 9mm in a semi-auto, or .38 Special in a revolver.

Semi-auto:
Glock 43
S&W Shield
Springfield XDS
Sig P938

Revolver:
S&W 442 or 642
Ruger LCR

[kcxiv]

NOne, ill never purchase a gun. Ill shoot someone elses though if i wanna go shooting! Dont feel the need to have one. they do nothing for me. Though, i been wanting to get a pellet gun to shoot in the backyard with my nephew.

[Hog Rider]

I am a Walther guy, but for your price range the Shield is more in line than the Walther PPS M2.

To be covered for CC she should look into getting both Utah and Florida Concealed Weapon Permits. They cover nearly every state, and I would think would be available from some trainers in Kansas. I had both mine before Illinois finally acquired CC rights. Florida requires prints, Utah does not, But they are easily gotten by out-of-staters after the required training is met.

Helpful Links;
https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
https://www.saf.org/
https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
http://americanhandgunner.com/category/the-ayoob-files/

top notch training or educational material from nationally recognized folks:
http://www.icetraining.us/index.html
http://massadayoobgroup.com/
https://www.gunsite.com/
http://www.grantcunningham.com/

~ and there are many more.

Good Luck,

JP

[Dunit35]

The FBI and a ton of police departments are going back to the 9mm. Cant say enough positive things about the 9mm.

I've carried a 9mm on duty for the last four years. I use a 9mm+p round, can't remember the brand.

[Bwana]

It's not as popular as some of the others mentioned, but I love my Glock 10mm. The recoil isn't bad, I hit everything I point it at and it has some serious energy.

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

My daily carry weapon is a Ruger LCP. It isn't 'fun' to shoot but it fits in my pocket and is very convenient.

[dmahurin]

I've carried a 9mm on duty for the last four years. I use a 9mm+p round, can't remember the brand.

Im mandated to carry a 40. Would love to carry the 9

[rockymtnchief]

If you get a CCW, download the CCW-Concealed Carry app. (Workman Consulting LLC). CCW laws are different in every state. This app gives you each states laws and lets you know what state your permit is valid in (reciprocity).

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

If you get a CCW, download the CCW-Concealed Carry app. (Workman Consulting LLC). CCW laws are different in every state. This app gives you each states laws and lets you know what state your permit is valid in (reciprocity).

Do they update this frequently?

[Holladay]

Wow, lots of info fast. That is why I am such a fan of CP. Thanks.

Not in a big hurry...but wife leaves 2/5/17 to SC house sitting. I would like to have her done by then.

Thus purchase and licensing, I am thinking.

[rockymtnchief]

Do they update this frequently?

Mine just updated again today. I can't really say if new laws take effect immediately or not.

[Mr. Laz]

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[InChiefsHeaven]

9mm for sure. Cheaper to practice with than .40 and .45.

People shit on them, but Taurus makes a fine weapon on a budget. I have a 24\7 compact in .45 (they have it in 9mm) but the more common seems to be the PT111. My 24\7 goes bang every time and eats whatever I feed it. A great utility weapon. Trigger is a little long but IMO way better than the M&P Shield.

Having said all that, last September I bought a Sig P320 in 9mm. Holy shit, what a gun...about 600.00 though, whereas the Taurus can be had for less than 300.00.

Whatever you get, be sure she practices a lot with it. I don't know anything about "off carry" (in a handbag for instance) I personally believe all guns should be on your person, but I know that people do it.

Good luck!

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

Mine just updated again today. I can't really say if new laws take effect immediately or not.

Downloaded. Thanks!

[stlchiefs]

Go to a range, rent a few guns and shoot them to get an idea on what you like. You're better off spending $75 at the range shooting through a few guns and determining what you like than choosing based on looks and reviews and getting something that you don't like later. I'm a fan of the Springfield XDS though I don't personally CC.

[Easy 6]

Springfield Armory XD 45 Mod 2

Ultra slim and light, plenty of stopping power

[gblowfish]

I'd like a shoulder launched Stinger Missile...

[dmahurin]

Springfield Armory XD 45 Mod 2

Ultra slim and light, plenty of stopping power

Overkill every day of the week, especially for a woman shooter thats not a big fan of guns anyways. The easiest way to turn someone away from guns when they arent familiar is to have them shoot a .45 right away and tell them use this to count on for your life. If they aren't comfortable shooting a .45, which most women shooters aren't, you are ruining the gun experience for them.

[listopencil]

Flame thrower.

[Delaney37]

http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-lcr8482%3B-38-special-double-action-revolver

http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/smith--wesson-performance-center-ported-mp40-shield-40-pistol#repChildCatid=3406310

http://www.basspro.com/Ruger-LCRx-DoubleAction-Revolver/product/14020609115015/#chart-container

My two conceal carry pistols are Ruger LCRx and Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 40 cal.(2nd and 3rd links) With the LCR series I preferred an exposed hammer because it's what I'm use to. Academy Sports here is running a special on the LCR right now and they are in stock along with M&P Shield in 9mm. Lots of great advice so far in the thread but something I'll throw out is check into a shooting range where you can possibly rent several different handguns to shoot to see what works the best for ya. I don't know of any off the top of my head but I'm sure there are those that can steer you in that direction if you're so inclined.

[DenverChief]

M&P 9mm Shield
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-0

Sig P320 9mm
https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p320/

Glock 43 subcompact 9mm 6+1 will run you $350-4

[DenverChief]

http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-lcr8482%3B-38-special-double-action-revolver

http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/smith--wesson-performance-center-ported-mp40-shield-40-pistol#repChildCatid=3406310

http://www.basspro.com/Ruger-LCRx-DoubleAction-Revolver/product/14020609115015/#chart-container

My two conceal carry pistols are Ruger LCRx and Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 40 cal.(2nd and 3rd links) With the LCR series I preferred an exposed hammer because it's what I'm use to. Academy Sports here is running a special on the LCR right now and they are in stock along with M&P Shield in 9mm. Lots of great advice so far in the thread but something I'll throw out is check into a shooting range where you can possibly rent several different handguns to shoot to see what works the best for ya. I don't know of any off the top of my head but I'm sure there are those that can steer you in that direction if you're so inclined.

Why in gods green earth would you want a Shield .40?

[DenverChief]

It's not as popular as some of the others mentioned, but I love my Glock 10mm. The recoil isn't bad, I hit everything I point it at and it has some serious energy.

Nobody else around here is protecting themselves from bears. LMAO

[Delaney37]

Why in gods green earth would you want a Shield .40?

Because I can :D Seriously though I love mine. Shoots great for me.

[DenverChief]

Because I can :D Seriously though I love mine. Shoots great for me.

I love the shield and own one but in 9mm. .40 is really snappy unless you have strong hands/wrists consecutive shots tend to wander off target with a smaller pistol. .40 is great in full size because the weight of the weapon helps control the recoil.

[Easy 6]

Overkill every day of the week, especially for a woman shooter thats not a big fan of guns anyways. The easiest way to turn someone away from guns when they arent familiar is to have them shoot a .45 right away and tell them use this to count on for your life. If they aren't comfortable shooting a .45, which most women shooters aren't, you are ruining the gun experience for them.

Well dude, didnt think I was talking to women here :D

For a womans self defense I'm thinking snubnose .38 revolver with hollowpoints

[Delaney37]

I love the shield and own one but in 9mm. .40 is really snappy unless you have strong hands/wrists consecutive shots tend to wander off target with a smaller pistol. .40 is great in full size because the weight of the weapon helps control the recoil.

Agreed. It is a snappy round but I shot 1911s in bulls-eye competition for several years so the recoil for me personally is no biggie. For his wife the 9mm would be just fine.

[Delaney37]

Well dude, didnt think I was talking to women here :D

For a womans self defense I'm thinking snubnose .38 revolver with hollowpoints

Hey now, I like my little snubbie :D

[dmahurin]

Well dude, didnt think I was talking to women here :D

For a womans self defense I'm thinking snubnose .38 revolver with hollowpoints

He was aaking for his wife in the OP.

[DenverChief]

Agreed. It is a snappy round but I shot 1911s in bulls-eye competition for several years so the recoil for me personally is no biggie. For his wife the 9mm would be just fine.

That's good. I just never had luck with subcompact .40. First couple of shots a ok then its starts to get ugly ... I can't imagine recommending one for a woman unless it's Rhonda Rou....wait never mind.

[Delaney37]

That's good. I just never had luck with subcompact .40. First couple of shots a ok then its starts to get ugly ... I can't imagine recommending one for a woman unless it's Rhonda Rou....wait never mind.

The ported Performance Center version I have I'm sure helps with the muzzle flip somewhat but I haven't shot a non-ported one to compare it to though.

[Easy 6]

Hey now, I like my little snubbie :D

No offense intended at all

He was asking for his wife in the OP.

You're 100% right, my bad... get her a revolver that will never jam in an easy to handle caliber

A small load on target is worth any three that dont hit

[notorious]

Revolvers have a heavier, longer pull.

Most women don't like that.......in a handgun. :D

[Delaney37]

[QUOTE=Easy 6;12659282]No offense intended at all



No worries, none taken :D

[DenverChief]

Personally for the spouse I would look into the following:

Glock 43 9mm 6+1 for a total of 13 -19 rounds depending on how many extra mags you want to carry.

S&W M&P Shield 9mm. 8+1 for a total of 17-25 rounds depending on mags.

S&W M&P Bodyguard .380 6+1

All can be had from $3-400 and are easily concealable and easy to handle for the novice.

[DenverChief]

Revolvers have a heavier, longer pull.

Most women don't like that.......in a handgun. :D

LMAO

[pr_capone]

Bersa BP9cc (9mm version)

I love it so much I have two of them. Less than an inch thick, single stack, can be found pretty damn inexpensive, and comes in .380, 9mm, and .40

https://bersa.eagleimportsinc.com/bersa/firearms/bp-concealed-carry-series

[Easy 6]

[QUOTE=Easy 6;12659282]No offense intended at all



No worries, none taken :D

3-4 years ago I did a TON of reading about the "best survival weapons", and all of the articles worth a damn made it clear that it isnt about the caliber... its about what you can HIT with that caliber

A good .22 rifle in the right hands is a deadly instrument, if you have some hot rounds... even better

[DenverChief]

3-4 years ago I did a TON of reading about the "best survival weapons", and all of the articles worth a damn made it clear that it isnt about the caliber... its about what you can HIT with that caliber

A good .22 rifle in the right hands is a deadly instrument, if you have some hot rounds... even better

Agreed. But In a pressure situation with seconds to make a shot a 22 isn't always effective. If you have all day to make a well placed shot there is no doubt.

[dmahurin]

Personally for the spouse I would look into the following:

Glock 43 9mm 6+1 for a total of 13 -19 rounds depending on how many extra mags you want to carry.

S&W M&P Shield 9mm. 8+1 for a total of 17-25 rounds depending on mags.

S&W M&P Bodyguard .380 6+1

All can be had from $3-400 and are easily concealable and easy to handle for the novice.

Cant go wrong with any of these. What are carrying on duty? Im forced by department policy to carry a glock 23. The compact .40. Can't stand it.

[Easy 6]

Agreed. But In a pressure situation with seconds to make a shot a 22 isn't always effective. If you have all day to make a well placed shot there is no doubt.

All true, wouldnt argue against that at all... thats why I would recommend a .38 revolver with hollowpoints for women

Eliminate jams, minimize the kick, maximize the damage

[DenverChief]

Cant go wrong with any of these. What are carrying on duty? Im forced by department policy to carry a glock 23. The compact .40. Can't stand it.

I carry the 23 as a concealed depending on how I dress. Duty I'm forced to carry the SIG P229.

*EDIT* why don't you like it?

[DenverChief]

All true, wouldnt argue against that at all... thats why I would recommend a .38 revolver with hollowpoints for women

Eliminate jams, minimize the kick, maximize the damage

TBH I have never fired a revolver. I'm a semi-auto whore and have always trained with one. The only argument I could make against a revolver is the difficulty in reloading if necessary.

[Easy 6]

TBH I have never fired a revolver. I'm a semi-auto whore and have always trained with one. The only argument I could make against a revolver is the difficulty in reloading if necessary.

I hear you about the reloading, but IMHO most (not all) women using a weapon is 90% just to buy herself some time to get away from an imminent threat

I can totally see a woman with minimal firearms training freezing up during a jam, give them something to put the hurt on quick so they can scram

[dmahurin]

I carry the 23 as a concealed depending on how I dress. Duty I'm forced to carry the SIG P229.

*EDIT* why don't you like it?

My dislike of it is more about liking alternatives better. Not a fan of the .40 round. The gun itself is fine. I wasnt very clear when i said that. Long day today.

[DenverChief]

My dislike of it is more about liking alternatives better. Not a fan of the .40 round. The gun itself is fine. I wasnt very clear when i said that. Long day today.

Ah I understand. LE is so weird. Some agencies won't even let you carry a .40. .45 or 9mm only. Other agencies (like yours) .40 only.

What would you carry for duty if you could?

[dmahurin]

Ah I understand. LE is so weird. Some agencies won't even let you carry a .40. .45 or 9mm only. Other agencies (like yours) .40 only.

What would you carry for duty if you could?

A glock 19. Huge fan of the current critical duty 9mm rounds. Hornady makes grest stuff. Doing everything I can to get the department to switch. Im a glock armor, NRA pistol instructor and range master, MO LETI instructor for pistol and shotgun. Im making progress on them but no progress around here moves fast.

[Holladay]

I live in the middle of nowhere...getting to a range with wife to try all these guns = prolly not and spend $75.

Simple CC, not exotic.

Great info and I am taking notes.

thanks

[DenverChief]

I hear you about the reloading, but IMHO most (not all) women using a weapon is 90% just to buy herself some time to get away from an imminent threat

I can totally see a woman with minimal firearms training freezing up during a jam, give them something to put the hurt on quick so they can scram

I don't necessarily disagree. I have never had a jam with either the Glock or M&P. I have seen it happen with some other garbage semi-autos *cough* aimpoint *cough*.

[Holladay]

You're 100% right, my bad... get her a revolver that will never jam in an easy to handle caliber

A small load on target is worth any three that dont hit

Revolvers have a heavier, longer pull.

Most women don't like that.......in a handgun.


These are the thoughts.

[Holladay]

I hear you about the reloading, but IMHO most (not all) women using a weapon is 90% just to buy herself some time to get away from an imminent threat

I can totally see a woman with minimal firearms training freezing up during a jam, give them something to put the hurt on quick so they can scram

This

[LiveSteam]

Wheel guns don't jam, stove pipe,fail to eject or fail to reload. They bang everytime.
If the misses should ever have to pull a weapon to protect herself, it will be at point blank or close to.
I like the Judge loaded with.410 buck shot & 45long colt

[Holladay]

Wheel guns don't jam, stove pipe,fail to eject or fail to reload. They bang everytime.
If the misses should ever have to pull a weapon to protect herself, it will be at point blank or close to.
I like the Judge loaded with.410 buck shot & 45long colt

My mom was saying something like that from Bill o'really. A gun that had buck shot and a pistol???

I can't remember the name, but the concept seemed solid.

[DenverChief]

Wheel guns don't jam, stove pipe,fail to eject or fail to reload. They bang everytime.
If the misses should ever have to pull a weapon to protect herself, it will be at point blank or close to.
I like the Judge loaded with.410 buck shot & 45long colt

While you are correct the only time I have ever gotten one of those stovepipe/failure to feed/eject was when I set the weapon up with that. I think, although I'm no expert, that all those come from using shitty ammo.

*edit* or a bad magazine.

[dmahurin]

My mom was saying something like that from Bill o'really. A gun that had buck shot and a pistol???

I can't remember the name, but the concept seemed solid.

Its the taurus judge. 410 shells or 45 long colt. Definitely not for the old lady.

[DenverChief]

My mom was saying something like that from Bill o'really. A gun that had buck shot and a pistol???

I can't remember the name, but the concept seemed solid.

The judge.

[dmahurin]

Stove piping is an ammo issue. All other failures from a semi auto are going to be user induced 99% of the time.

[Buehler445]

My mom was saying something like that from Bill o'really. A gun that had buck shot and a pistol???

I can't remember the name, but the concept seemed solid.

Its the taurus judge. 410 shells or 45 long colt. Definitely not for the old lady.

Yeah, that's more of a home defense weapon, not a CC.

[Dunit35]

A glock 19. Huge fan of the current critical duty 9mm rounds. Hornady makes grest stuff. Doing everything I can to get the department to switch. Im a glock armor, NRA pistol instructor and range master, MO LETI instructor for pistol and shotgun. Im making progress on them but no progress around here moves fast.

I carry a 19 on duty with two 17 mags on my belt, 19 mag in the gun. I also rock out with three extra mags on my door. Carry three extra mags for my rifle as well.

If I could only get our department to let me carry my KSG I'd be set. 14 rounds of shotgun shells would be badass. Clearing buildings with a bullpup shotgun would be so much better.

[Beef Supreme]

It is a little more than you want to spend, but I would get a Glock 27. It is a small Glock in .40, so you have a good caliber with lots of ammo choices. It is small enough to carry but it sounds like your wife could handle the extra recoil of the .40. New they start about $495, but I bet you could find a used one for less.

If you want more info, check out:

http://www.tophandgunreviews.com/Glock_27.html

I wouldn't recommend a glock at all unless she has big hands for a woman. They have pretty wide grips. The 27 is small enough to carry, but to be honest, it's bigger than most people want to carry on a daily basis. And the kick of the 40 isn't terrible, but it's not insignificant in a gun that small. An M & P Shield, A Ruger LC9, or probably even better yet, a .38 or .380 of some sort will get the job done in a package much more likely to be carried regularly.

[Dunit35]

Its the taurus judge. 410 shells or 45 long colt. Definitely not for the old lady.

My wife has one under the bed.

[kjwood75nro]

"Something that goes bang and scares the would be bad guy" seems to imply, by design, a fired gun and an uninjured assailant. Not a good mindset for CC.

[frozenchief]

Nobody else around here is protecting themselves from bears. LMAO

If I am protecting myself from bears, I have an 8" ported barrel S&W .460. I am under no illusions, though. I would hate to have to shoot it because it means that the bear is right there and isn't stopping. By that point in time, unless you hit the bear just right with a large rifle, you are going to take some damage. The .460 will hurt the bear with proper bullet placement, but I seriously doubt it would put a bear down immediately. I take it to hopefully dissuade the bear from continuing its provocation.

I have fired it in the air to startle a bear that I thought was too close. Damn near came into camp in the middle of the night. About the only time I'd fire a gun into the air for a warning shot, though.

If I have just a carry gun, I use an HK sub-compact USP in .45. I love that gun.

[tx4chiefs]

Sig Sauer P239 for quality

Glock 43 if you like Glocks

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

It's not as popular as some of the others mentioned, but I love my Glock 10mm. The recoil isn't bad, I hit everything I point it at and it has some serious energy.

Yeah, thats a good firearm, a deputy sheriff lady I know here carries that.

[Bwana]

Nobody else around here is protecting themselves from bears. LMAO

I have a .500 Smith and Wesson I use for that and or my 45/70 guide model with hard cast doubletap rounds. The best thing to do, like someone else mentioned, go to the range and try out different calibers. Some people can handle more power and kick than others it really depends on the individual. MY daughter can shoot my .500 without an issue, My wife, not so much. A 9mm is more her speed.

[tmax63]

My carry of choice is a Ruger P345, a single stack .45 that's not the smallest tool in the box but smaller than a 1911. Slimmer grip with enough weight to soak up some of the recoil so it doesn't sting as much to shoot. Also have a Taurus .380 in a pocket pistol when I need something smaller. As a wise man once said "a 9mm may expand but a .45 will never shrink."

[UK_Chief]

Get whatever you want her to shoot you with as statistically that's the most likely outcome. #justsayin ;-)

[Randallflagg]

My Son recently bought his Wife a SCCY 9MM for her to carry. She loves the damned thing, says it's easy to carry and more often than not, she forgets he even has it on her.

[Dartgod]

Her hands are as big as mine which are medium/large guys paws.
Man hands?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/10/be/df/10bedf9dd62eb26ed36dbb46ab186687.jpg

[HemiEd]

Man hands?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/10/be/df/10bedf9dd62eb26ed36dbb46ab186687.jpg

My first thought upon reading the OP


The Mrs. has a nice little 5 shot Taurus .38 special revolver.

[Sorce]

I thought you were getting a divorce and she was moving back to Germany?

[DenverChief]

I have a .500 Smith and Wesson I use for that and or my 45/70 guide model with hard cast doubletap rounds. The best thing to do, like someone else mentioned, go to the range and try out different calibers. Some people can handle more power and kick than others it really depends on the individual. MY daughter can shoot my .500 without an issue, My wife, not so much. A 9mm is more her speed.

I worry too much about over penetration - 10mm would probably travel through the bad guy and hit 3 more people behind him (sarcasm) but seriously tho that's why I don't really mess around with the 10mm.

[Buck]

I thought you were getting a divorce and she was moving back to Germany?

That's what I thought. Hopefully she doesn't shoot you OP.

[lcarus]

It may be the size of your torso, but....

http://media.moddb.com/images/members/3/2497/2496773/500_sw_magnum_revolver-1920x1080.jpg

[Bwana]

I worry too much about over penetration - 10mm would probably travel through the bad guy and hit 3 more people behind him (sarcasm) but seriously tho that's why I don't really mess around with the 10mm.

Oh I understand, it really depends on which round you're running through it. Corban makes some great rounds for the task.

[Holladay]

I thought you were getting a divorce and she was moving back to Germany?

Good memory. That is the plan. Her parents/sis and hus/nephew and friend all come over in May and will stay a month. I really don't want to piss in cherios yet.

Man hands?

They are long but not thick. She would be a great pianist. (always found that word to be funny)

[MOhillbilly]

cz 70. cheap, easy to use, reliable, tack driver.

[Holladay]

I am talking notes of all your ideas. Thanks.

I have scheduled a CC course for the both of us this Sunday in Whiting Ks. 1:00 pm til 7:00 pm. They will cover a lot of info I have been asking. Turns out that KS reciprocates with about every state. I don't know if she can get it in time for her cross country run thou.

Anybody in this area that wants CC. I would be glad to link up.

I will report back later.

[Randallflagg]

I am talking notes of all your ideas. Thanks.

I have scheduled a CC course for the both of us this Sunday in Whiting Ks. 1:00 pm til 7:00 pm. They will cover a lot of info I have been asking. Turns out that KS reciprocates with about every state. I don't know if she can get it in time for her cross country run thou.

Anybody in this area that wants CC. I would be glad to link up.

I will report back later.


I hope you'll forgive me for this stupid question, but are you going to the CCW course merely for training? or some other reason? There is Constitutional Carry in Kansas, is the only reason I'm asking..

[PHOG]

Sawed-off Breakover Double Barrel 10 Gauge..Can't go wrong.

[PHOG]

I am talking notes of all your ideas. Thanks.

I have scheduled a CC course for the both of us this Sunday in Whiting Ks. 1:00 pm til 7:00 pm. They will cover a lot of info I have been asking. Turns out that KS reciprocates with about every state. I don't know if she can get it in time for her cross country run thou.

Anybody in this area that wants CC. I would be glad to link up.

I will report back later.

:hmmm:

[Indian Chief]

I see a few mentions of the shield. If you look at that also take a peek at the Glock 43. I actually shot one today for the first time and liked it as a CC option.

[Holladay]

Not sure...thought we needed a course. If not, anything that can give info for the wife...gun safety etc. thinking money well spent.

From what I understand we need a class to get licensed in CC in kansas??

I have a military background and can teach well...safety.

Thoughts?

[DenverChief]

I see a few mentions of the shield. If you look at that also take a peek at the Glock 43. I actually shot one today for the first time and liked it as a CC option.

Love the 43

[Delaney37]

To conceal carry in Kansas you don't need an actual permit. Kansas has a constitutional carry law. The benefits of getting the permit is you get a basic course in safety and the likes plus the reciprocity of other states, meaning other states that recognize the Kansas permit allowing you to conceal carry in that state. There are 10? states with constitutional carry but 42? that honor the Kansas permit. The phone app rockymtnchief was talking about lets you easily see which states accept the Kansas permit. I know if I missed something there are members here that are more knowledgeable than me that will add to or correct my post.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ryan.ccw&hl=en

[Randallflagg]

Not sure...thought we needed a course. If not, anything that can give info for the wife...gun safety etc. thinking money well spent.

From what I understand we need a class to get licensed in CC in kansas??

I have a military background and can teach well...safety.

Thoughts?

I'm sorry - Yes, you need a class to be "licensed" to carry, which is good if you plan on traveling to other states. And, I imagine that the class is extremely informative, as well. Training is ALWAYS a good thing.

I carried in the Army - and then as a civilian - on a DoD Badge. Never needed a "permit".

[tatorhog]

I am talking notes of all your ideas. Thanks.

I have scheduled a CC course for the both of us this Sunday in Whiting Ks. 1:00 pm til 7:00 pm. They will cover a lot of info I have been asking. Turns out that KS reciprocates with about every state. I don't know if she can get it in time for her cross country run thou.

Anybody in this area that wants CC. I would be glad to link up.

I will report back later.

I know the guy you're talking about. Rick's a good dude. I've dealt with him on various things over the years. I didn't realize that a KS carry had that kind of reach. Might make sense to go ahead a take a class as well.

[Holladay]

The reach surprised me as well. Rick stated, get KS, will basically get all.

[Indian Chief]

Love the 43

After a few magazines I started to warm up to it. I have larger hands so with the standard mag it was too compact for me, but I shot one with the +2 which felt a hell of a lot better.

[ping2000]

Any thoughts on the CZ 75 SP-01?

[Viper400]

I carried the Shield 9mm for years.

Now I carry a CZ P-01 (9MM) mainly during winter months in a pancake holster. Also have a Ruger LCP Custom that I front pocket carry during the summer.

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-01-9mm-black-alloy-14-rd-mags/

http://www.ruger.com/news/2015-01-19.html

[Radar Chief]

Got Lil'Momma this for Christmas.

S&W .38 Special +P

http://i64.tinypic.com/sw7ew4.jpg

When I went looking I had a Ruger of the same type in mind planning to put some pink grips on it for her but this Smith came equipped with Crimson Trace grips (built in laser that activates with a momentary switch on the front of the grip so that when you wrap your fingers around the handle the laser comes on). Figured I can't make self defense much simpler than that.

[Radar Chief]

Since I've got her taken car of I'm looking for a CCW myself. I've got a Colt 1991A1 but it's a full frame .45 and not very concealed friendly. But I'm still a fan of the .45 ACP for personal defense, so I've been looking at this Springfield XD Mod 2.

http://i63.tinypic.com/16j0kms.jpg

[Chief_For_Life58]

cc is about having something to shoot to kill within 20 feet. any open fire you get into past that you are spraying and praying. I carry a Ruger LCP 380 everyday. it fits in my pocket and its small enough I dont even feel it. About the same size as my iphone. I would reccommend this as a CC over most anything else. I used to carry a SW MP40 Shield but it was still too bulky to comfortably carry.

[Iowanian]

I guess it all depends what you want and what you want to spend.
I've allegedly had several choices.

LCP or LC9 are ok, but I'm not the biggest fan of the fit in my hand.

Sig p238 is a .380 but it's basically a mini 1911 frame. I liked it quite a bit.

Glock 42 and 43 I like and I'm not a Glock fan as a rule.

I don't think you would be wrong to look at the S-W wheel guns either. a .38 might be ok for what your needs are and they're pretty simple, point and click.
I used to avoid revolvers because I thought the hammer would catch, but maybe it's not a big concern and there is a hammerless option.

[Chief_For_Life58]

Yeah if you are a big guy with big hands the lcp will probably be too small. I put a clip extender on it and new rubber grip. It fits just a touch small on my hand but it is good.

[Radar Chief]

I don't think you would be wrong to look at the S-W wheel guns either. a .38 might be ok for what your needs are and they're pretty simple, point and click.
I used to avoid revolvers because I thought the hammer would catch, but maybe it's not a big concern and there is a hammerless option.

There are some impressively hot loads for the .38 Special +P that get real close to a .357 Magnum ballistics.
Snagging the hammer while drawing it is a consideration but Lil'Momma wanted a hammer. Actually she wanted a single action revolver, I talked her into the double action by telling her it is a single action except for when she really needs it to be more.

[Otter]

Springfield XD Sub Compact XD .40 3"

http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/xd-sub-compact-40-cal/

I could just never get into the Glock feel. Great guns but just don't like the feel of them when shooting as much as the Springfield.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/XD9802HCSP06_1200x782.png

[notorious]

Got Lil'Momma this for Christmas.

S&W .38 Special +P

http://i64.tinypic.com/sw7ew4.jpg

When I went looking I had a Ruger of the same type in mind planning to put some pink grips on it for her but this Smith came equipped with Crimson Trace grips (built in laser that activates with a momentary switch on the front of the grip so that when you wrap your fingers around the handle the laser comes on). Figured I can't make self defense much simpler than that.

This was my first CC gun.

Love it. Going to get th .357 version soon.

[DenverChief]

Springfield XD Sub Compact XD .40 3"

http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/xd-sub-compact-40-cal/

I could just never get into the Glock feel. Great guns but just don't like the feel of them when shooting as much as the Springfield.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/XD9802HCSP06_1200x782.png

I feel the exact same way about springfields. Just don't like how they feel give me a Glock or S&W M&P any day.

[Tombstone RJ]

Get her a 9mm. Do not get a .40 or .45. Get critical defense ammo and a 9mm will expand to the same size and penetration depth of a .45. The m&p shield or a slringfield xd are great guns. MO and KS do not require a permit or license to concealed carry. The laws on where you can and cant carry are important to know.

This. Or get her a subcompact .380. No way would I get her a compact or subcompact .40 or .45. If you are on a budget, KelTec makes good small semi autos.

[Simply Red]

MAC 10

[Holladay]

Had a family discussion, hopefully it will be a "family" event. Both kids are teenagers and don't really wanna go.

Again, taking notes. The range has a bunch of guns that they can try.

In the end, what is better the spending time with the family whacking crap.

[DenverChief]

Hilarious and informative video on the Judge <IFRAME height=315 src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/GE7e2VAEzEo" frameBorder=0 width=560 allowfullscreen></IFRAME>

[Holladay]

Nice, that is the one that she heard about. I am thinking might be too much for my mom's hand. When a young man says "that has a kick", told mom no.

I got the clips that were missing from my Dads 9 mm Makarov and some 9mm Makarov ammo, with the red (pinkish) hand grips. Cool.

Now I can see if this will work for my wife. She slid the slide back tonight easily, and thinking this will work for her.

Our trip to get the family adventure CC license fell apart for last Sunday, but hope to do it in March to include my Mom and Dad.

I will looking be at the past notes for a CC for my Mom (small hands, 76 yrs old). Lots of variables.

Thanks again CP

[tmax63]

For an elderly lady I'd suggest a 22LR revolver so that 1. she doesn't have to rack a slide and 2.little/no recoil. I'm sure your mom is the exception but a lot of ladies in that age group don't have the grip strength they used to. Working in a Pharmacy I hand out a lot of easy-open caps for pill bottles for many people, men included, starting younger than her by quite a bit. Arthritis and various other ailments start to rob us of many things when we hit the 5th, 6th,7th decades of our life.

[Beef Supreme]

Not recommending it for anyone in particular, but I have a Glock 27 that probably has less than 200 rounds through it and would make someone a pretty good deal on it. Not trying to be a salesman or anything.

[Radar Chief]

Springfield XD Sub Compact XD .40 3"

http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/xd-sub-compact-40-cal/

I could just never get into the Glock feel. Great guns but just don't like the feel of them when shooting as much as the Springfield.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/XD9802HCSP06_1200x782.png

I'd really like to rent one of these at a gun range and try it out.
Shot a buddy's XDs but the single stack mag makes for a thin grip. That plus my big hands and the recoil of a .45 meant I had troubles maintaining a good hold on it for follow up shots. I'm hoping the double stack makes for a fatter grip that I can get a firm grasp on.

[Lzen]

I hope you'll forgive me for this stupid question, but are you going to the CCW course merely for training? or some other reason? There is Constitutional Carry in Kansas, is the only reason I'm asking..

That means that you can conceal carry in Kansas without a CCL but if you want to travel to other states, it's best to have a Kansas CCL. Most of the country reciprocates with Kansas but Illinois, Oregon, California, and most of the northeast (New England) states do not.

[Lzen]

https://www.cdnnsports.com/firearms.html#sort=salepriceasc&category_2=FIREARMS%2FHANDGUNS

Start there. They have good prices. I'm sure a lot of the other gun enthusiasts here can show more sites that have good prices.
Somebody mentioned the Ruger LCP. This site has it for $230.

[Holladay]

Thanks, I will check it out.

[Holladay]

BigChiefTablet, I sent you a PM

[Holladay]

Start there. They have good prices. I'm sure a lot of the other gun enthusiasts here can show more sites that have good prices.
Somebody mentioned the Ruger LCP. This site has it for $230.


Heilig Scheiße!

That sight is selling for about 1/3 off. Sweet.

Now I know what I would do with $5,000.

[SAUTO]

I worry too much about over penetration - 10mm would probably travel through the bad guy and hit 3 more people behind him (sarcasm) but seriously tho that's why I don't really mess around with the 10mm.

Is it wrong that I thought the first line was fucking hilarious coming from you?

If so I'm at least half sorry...

[SAUTO]

Springfield XD Sub Compact XD .40 3"

http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/xd-sub-compact-40-cal/

I could just never get into the Glock feel. Great guns but just don't like the feel of them when shooting as much as the Springfield.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/XD9802HCSP06_1200x782.png

I really liked the feel of this gun.

[SAUTO]

Hilarious and informative video on the Judge <IFRAME height=315 src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/GE7e2VAEzEo" frameBorder=0 width=560 allowfullscreen></IFRAME>

I have that matte stainless in an ultra light, 3 inch cylinder, 3 inch barrel iirc.

I keep it in my tool box with slugs in it.

[Holladay]

Just bought a Taurus PT-738 for $200. A mouse gun. I did quite a bit of looking and for the price, a good lil carry in the pocket first CC gun.

First looked at the cheapest CC at Cobra for $99. Cheap piece of crap.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/12/jeremy-s/gun-review-cobra-ca380-cheapest-handgun-america/

That linked me to:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/jeremy-s/gun-review-taurus-738-tcp/

The compariables were: SIG P238, Ruger LCP, Kel-Tec P-3AT and the others were LMNOP and XYZ.

Getting my feet wet.

I figure I can't go wrong for $200. Again, this is my first CC gun.

BTW, from all of the others post: The M&P Shield got the most votes, followed by the Springfield XDS, S&W Bodyguard, Ruger LCR, Bunch of Glocks, and Lil Mom's .38 Rev.

In the end, first CC gun. Not my last.

You all have been a GREAT insight to how many variables come into play. The family will go to the CC class and try out other guns to see what fits best. But at this point, if the Taurus is not quite right, throw it in the glove compartment. Better then nothing.

[2112]

Get her a 9mm. Do not get a .40 or .45. Get critical defense ammo and a 9mm will expand to the same size and penetration depth of a .45. The m&p shield or a slringfield xd are great guns. MO and KS do not require a permit or license to concealed carry. The laws on where you can and cant carry are important to know.

Can you carry critical defense ammo? I thought that was for in the home only. At least that's what the laws are here. It's impossible to get concealed carry in my state unless your ex law enforcement or are being stalked.

[booger]

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/22499/ruger_american_9mm_compact_17+1_8639

Anyone have or shot one of these?

[tx4chiefs]

I carry a Sig Sauer at work (have for 30 years). I prefer Sig firearms for their quality. That said I recommend the Sig Sauer P-239. It's a single stack 9mm comparable to the Glock 43 for size, but way better quality.

https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p239/

[Chief_For_Life58]

I wear dress clothes to work everyday. I pocket carry a ruger lcp380. Never leave home without it. Wish I could cc something larger though. Any options for dress clothes?

[Reerun_KC]

Rock Island .45. When I feel manliness


Taurus .380 when I feel sexy.


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[nychief]

Wow this is like a virtual leather bar.

[Frazod]

Don't carry anything less than a 9mm. This means DO NOT CARRY A .380. It simply doesn't provide enough stopping power. Real life ain't the movies - generally you're not going to drop a bad guy with one shot. This advice comes from a variety of people I know, shoot with or have gotten training from, including my CC instructor who is an ex-Chicago tactical cop. He won't even let people use .380s in his class.

Unless you are a regular shooter, I also strongly recommend that you don't carry a gun with an external safety. You don't want to have to remember to flip the safety off while somebody's trying to kill you.

I would also stay away from 40 caliber. Most common 40 cal. guns are originally designed for 9mm rounds. As a result, these weapons tend to wear parts out faster and be less accurate. If you want a bigger round, stick with 45 ACP.

IMO, you can't go wrong with a Glock 19, a Springfield XDm or a Smith & Wesson M&P 9c, as long as it doesn't have an external safety. I'm not a fan of guns that take single stack mags, just because more bullets is better than less bullets. I wouldn't recommend anything less than a Ruger for a carry gun. I wouldn't trust my life to a fucking Kel-Tec. This is not an area where you want to cheap out.

My daily carry gun is a customized CZ 75 D Compact. Roughly the same size as a Glock 19, but all metal, dead nuts accurate, high reliable. 14+1 or 16+1 depending on the magazine. It's a little heavy, but I'm used to it, and using an IWB holster it disappears. Pricier than the average carry gun to be sure, but I work in Chicago, so I don't fuck around when it comes to personal protection. If I'm going someplace where I might be forced to leave my gun in the car or otherwise unattended in a non-secure environment, I carry a little 7+1 Ruger LC9s, which is adequate, but just barely.

[Fish]

I wear dress clothes to work everyday. I pocket carry a ruger lcp380. Never leave home without it. Wish I could cc something larger though. Any options for dress clothes?

I'm a big fan of 5.11.

http://www.511tactical.com/mens.html

[booger]

Don't carry anything less than a 9mm. This means DO NOT CARRY A .380. It simply doesn't provide enough stopping power. Real life ain't the movies - generally you're not going to drop a bad guy with one shot. This advice comes from a variety of people I know, shoot with or have gotten training from, including my CC instructor who is an ex-Chicago tactical cop. He won't even let people use .380s in his class.

Unless you are a regular shooter, I also strongly recommend that you don't carry a gun with an external safety. You don't want to have to remember to flip the safety off while somebody's trying to kill you.

I would also stay away from 40 caliber. Most common 40 cal. guns are originally designed for 9mm rounds. As a result, these weapons tend to wear parts out faster and be less accurate. If you want a bigger round, stick with 45 ACP.

IMO, you can't go wrong with a Glock 19, a Springfield XDm or a Smith & Wesson M&P 9c, as long as it doesn't have an external safety. I'm not a fan of guns that take single stack mags, just because more bullets is better than less bullets. I wouldn't recommend anything less than a Ruger for a carry gun. I wouldn't trust my life to a ****ing Kel-Tec. This is not an area where you want to cheap out.

My daily carry gun is a customized CZ 75 D Compact. Roughly the same size as a Glock 19, but all metal, dead nuts accurate, high reliable. 14+1 or 16+1 depending on the magazine. It's a little heavy, but I'm used to it, and using an IWB holster it disappears. Pricier than the average carry gun to be sure, but I work in Chicago, so I don't **** around when it comes to personal protection. If I'm going someplace where I might be forced to leave my gun in the car or otherwise unattended in a non-secure environment, I carry a little 7+1 Ruger LC9s, which is adequate, but just barely.

Solid advice. Thanks :thumb: I was looking into those CZ 75s.
Found one of these https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/411548803/eaa_999044_witness_polymer_16+1_9mm_45

Looks very similar and priced well. I don’t know anything about EAA though

[Frazod]

Solid advice. Thanks :thumb: I was looking into those CZ 75s.
Found one of these https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/411548803/eaa_999044_witness_polymer_16+1_9mm_45

Looks very similar and priced well. I don’t know anything about EAA though

This is the exact gun I carry, as well as the seller I got it from. I've upgraded it with night sights and had a little extra work done. These are custom orders, so they sell out very quickly.

https://oakhillguns.com/pistol/cz-usa/cz-75-d-pcr-9mm-custom.html

This one's mine....

https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17917425_10212327757454271_3085728816375549577_o.jpg?oh=9d5819bcdf3f8f2ef8cb395bacd18703&oe=5A76E257

[Skyy God]

Don't carry anything less than a 9mm. This means DO NOT CARRY A .380. It simply doesn't provide enough stopping power. Real life ain't the movies - generally you're not going to drop a bad guy with one shot. This advice comes from a variety of people I know, shoot with or have gotten training from, including my CC instructor who is an ex-Chicago tactical cop. He won't even let people use .380s in his class.

Unless you are a regular shooter, I also strongly recommend that you don't carry a gun with an external safety. You don't want to have to remember to flip the safety off while somebody's trying to kill you.

I would also stay away from 40 caliber. Most common 40 cal. guns are originally designed for 9mm rounds. As a result, these weapons tend to wear parts out faster and be less accurate. If you want a bigger round, stick with 45 ACP.

IMO, you can't go wrong with a Glock 19, a Springfield XDm or a Smith & Wesson M&P 9c, as long as it doesn't have an external safety. I'm not a fan of guns that take single stack mags, just because more bullets is better than less bullets. I wouldn't recommend anything less than a Ruger for a carry gun. I wouldn't trust my life to a ****ing Kel-Tec. This is not an area where you want to cheap out.

My daily carry gun is a customized CZ 75 D Compact. Roughly the same size as a Glock 19, but all metal, dead nuts accurate, high reliable. 14+1 or 16+1 depending on the magazine. It's a little heavy, but I'm used to it, and using an IWB holster it disappears. Pricier than the average carry gun to be sure, but I work in Chicago, so I don't **** around when it comes to personal protection. If I'm going someplace where I might be forced to leave my gun in the car or otherwise unattended in a non-secure environment, I carry a little 7+1 Ruger LC9s, which is adequate, but just barely.

So the .380 was inadequate to shoot through the refrigerator, I presume......

[Frazod]

So the .380 was inadequate to shoot through the refrigerator, I presume......

In your case, I definitely recommend a .380.

[booger]

This is the exact gun I carry, as well as the seller I got it from. I've upgraded it with night sights and had a little extra work done. These are custom orders, so they sell out very quickly.

https://oakhillguns.com/pistol/cz-usa/cz-75-d-pcr-9mm-custom.html

This one's mine....

https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17917425_10212327757454271_3085728816375549577_o.jpg?oh=9d5819bcdf3f8f2ef8cb395bacd18703&oe=5A76E257

Very nice!

[booger]

In your case, I definitely recommend a .380.

ROFL

[Hoover]

This is what I carry around.

https://hk-usa.com/hk-models/vp9/

[Hoover]

Don't carry anything less than a 9mm. This means DO NOT CARRY A .380. It simply doesn't provide enough stopping power. Real life ain't the movies - generally you're not going to drop a bad guy with one shot. This advice comes from a variety of people I know, shoot with or have gotten training from, including my CC instructor who is an ex-Chicago tactical cop. He won't even let people use .380s in his class.

Unless you are a regular shooter, I also strongly recommend that you don't carry a gun with an external safety. You don't want to have to remember to flip the safety off while somebody's trying to kill you.

I would also stay away from 40 caliber. Most common 40 cal. guns are originally designed for 9mm rounds. As a result, these weapons tend to wear parts out faster and be less accurate. If you want a bigger round, stick with 45 ACP.

IMO, you can't go wrong with a Glock 19, a Springfield XDm or a Smith & Wesson M&P 9c, as long as it doesn't have an external safety. I'm not a fan of guns that take single stack mags, just because more bullets is better than less bullets. I wouldn't recommend anything less than a Ruger for a carry gun. I wouldn't trust my life to a fucking Kel-Tec. This is not an area where you want to cheap out.

My daily carry gun is a customized CZ 75 D Compact. Roughly the same size as a Glock 19, but all metal, dead nuts accurate, high reliable. 14+1 or 16+1 depending on the magazine. It's a little heavy, but I'm used to it, and using an IWB holster it disappears. Pricier than the average carry gun to be sure, but I work in Chicago, so I don't fuck around when it comes to personal protection. If I'm going someplace where I might be forced to leave my gun in the car or otherwise unattended in a non-secure environment, I carry a little 7+1 Ruger LC9s, which is adequate, but just barely.
I love my XDM but every once in a while that extra saftey gives me fits.

I stopped carrying in because I doubt I'll have the perfect grip in an emergency.

[Frazod]

I love my XDM but every once in a while that extra saftey gives me fits.

I stopped carrying in because I doubt I'll have the perfect grip in an emergency.

Prior to the CZ I carried an XDm. I never had a problem with the grip safety, but I know that's a common concern.

[Randallflagg]

Don't carry anything less than a 9mm. This means DO NOT CARRY A .380. It simply doesn't provide enough stopping power. Real life ain't the movies - generally you're not going to drop a bad guy with one shot. This advice comes from a variety of people I know, shoot with or have gotten training from, including my CC instructor who is an ex-Chicago tactical cop. He won't even let people use .380s in his class.

Unless you are a regular shooter, I also strongly recommend that you don't carry a gun with an external safety. You don't want to have to remember to flip the safety off while somebody's trying to kill you.

I would also stay away from 40 caliber. Most common 40 cal. guns are originally designed for 9mm rounds. As a result, these weapons tend to wear parts out faster and be less accurate. If you want a bigger round, stick with 45 ACP.

IMO, you can't go wrong with a Glock 19, a Springfield XDm or a Smith & Wesson M&P 9c, as long as it doesn't have an external safety. I'm not a fan of guns that take single stack mags, just because more bullets is better than less bullets. I wouldn't recommend anything less than a Ruger for a carry gun. I wouldn't trust my life to a ****ing Kel-Tec. This is not an area where you want to cheap out.

My daily carry gun is a customized CZ 75 D Compact. Roughly the same size as a Glock 19, but all metal, dead nuts accurate, high reliable. 14+1 or 16+1 depending on the magazine. It's a little heavy, but I'm used to it, and using an IWB holster it disappears. Pricier than the average carry gun to be sure, but I work in Chicago, so I don't **** around when it comes to personal protection. If I'm going someplace where I might be forced to leave my gun in the car or otherwise unattended in a non-secure environment, I carry a little 7+1 Ruger LC9s, which is adequate, but just barely.


Actually, I have to disagree (but only slightly). I carry either a Sig P226 or a Springfield .45 (but that's me). My Wife, on the other hand, carries a Walther PPK with hollow points. We went out in the country one day and she shot up a few milk jugs with water....

That little pistol DESTROYED the jugs...

I agree...usually a .380 is NOT the best choice for carry - however, it WILL stop someone who is attacking you. And, for her, it is the right size. She says that the 9mm is too bulky (and heavy) for the purse and the .45 (well, it's a 45)

[Eleazar]

Sig Ultra Compact, HK P30, Glock 19

[Eleazar]

Actually, I have to disagree (but only slightly). I carry either a Sig P226 or a Springfield .45 (but that's me). My Wife, on the other hand, carries a Walther PPK with hollow points. We went out in the country one day and she shot up a few milk jugs with water....

That little pistol DESTROYED the jugs...

I agree...usually a .380 is NOT the best choice for carry - however, it WILL stop someone who is attacking you. And, for her, it is the right size. She says that the 9mm is too bulky (and heavy) for the purse and the .45 (well, it's a 45)

Don't PPKs kick like a mule, for such a small cartridge?

[Reerun_KC]

Don't carry anything less than a 9mm. This means DO NOT CARRY A .380. It simply doesn't provide enough stopping power. Real life ain't the movies - generally you're not going to drop a bad guy with one shot. This advice comes from a variety of people I know, shoot with or have gotten training from, including my CC instructor who is an ex-Chicago tactical cop. He won't even let people use .380s in his class.



Unless you are a regular shooter, I also strongly recommend that you don't carry a gun with an external safety. You don't want to have to remember to flip the safety off while somebody's trying to kill you.



I would also stay away from 40 caliber. Most common 40 cal. guns are originally designed for 9mm rounds. As a result, these weapons tend to wear parts out faster and be less accurate. If you want a bigger round, stick with 45 ACP.



IMO, you can't go wrong with a Glock 19, a Springfield XDm or a Smith & Wesson M&P 9c, as long as it doesn't have an external safety. I'm not a fan of guns that take single stack mags, just because more bullets is better than less bullets. I wouldn't recommend anything less than a Ruger for a carry gun. I wouldn't trust my life to a fucking Kel-Tec. This is not an area where you want to cheap out.



My daily carry gun is a customized CZ 75 D Compact. Roughly the same size as a Glock 19, but all metal, dead nuts accurate, high reliable. 14+1 or 16+1 depending on the magazine. It's a little heavy, but I'm used to it, and using an IWB holster it disappears. Pricier than the average carry gun to be sure, but I work in Chicago, so I don't fuck around when it comes to personal protection. If I'm going someplace where I might be forced to leave my gun in the car or otherwise unattended in a non-secure environment, I carry a little 7+1 Ruger LC9s, which is adequate, but just barely.



What would you suggest shooting a fridge with?


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[Frazod]

Actually, I have to disagree (but only slightly). I carry either a Sig P226 or a Springfield .45 (but that's me). My Wife, on the other hand, carries a Walther PPK with hollow points. We went out in the country one day and she shot up a few milk jugs with water....

That little pistol DESTROYED the jugs...

I agree...usually a .380 is NOT the best choice for carry - however, it WILL stop someone who is attacking you. And, for her, it is the right size. She says that the 9mm is too bulky (and heavy) for the purse and the .45 (well, it's a 45)

That's great, if you're being attacked by jugs of water.

The size and weight difference between a subcompact 9mm and a subcompact .380 is negligible. While a .380 is better than nothing, it's just not nearly as effective, especially if it's a big guy coming after you.

Again, this opinion doesn't come from me - it comes from people far more informed and more experienced than me. I'm just passing it along.

[Frazod]

What would you suggest shooting a fridge with?


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Your mom

[Randallflagg]

That's great, if you're being attacked by jugs of water.

The size and weight difference between a subcompact 9mm and a subcompact .380 is negligible. While a .380 is better than nothing, it's just not nearly as effective, especially if it's a big guy coming after you.

Again, this opinion doesn't come from me - it comes from people far more informed and more experienced than me. I'm just passing it along.


No disagreement with you here. Targets, jugs of water - none of those shoot back, either.

My Wife has been shooting since she was a kid (just like me). If you attack her - which we have practiced - she will have no problem hitting the noggin. But I understand, the "average" person isn't that well rehearsed.

Frankly, I'm not that big on the 9mm either. When I was in the Army, we transitioned rom the .45 to the 9mm while I was in Germany in the late 70s. I HATED those damned things, but that's the way it goes...

After 25 or so years of shooting them, I got used to them and they were fine. But for me? In my retirement? I prefer a 1911 in a Galco hip or shoulder rig. But that's me...

[KCrockaholic]

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[Frazod]

No disagreement with you here. Targets, jugs of water - none of those shoot back, either.

My Wife has been shooting since she was a kid (just like me). If you attack her - which we have practiced - she will have no problem hitting the noggin. But I understand, the "average" person isn't that well rehearsed.

Frankly, I'm not that big on the 9mm either. When I was in the Army, we transitioned rom the .45 to the 9mm while I was in Germany in the late 70s. I HATED those damned things, but that's the way it goes...

After 25 or so years of shooting them, I got used to them and they were fine. But for me? In my retirement? I prefer a 1911 in a Galco hip or shoulder rig. But that's me...

While I see the appeal of bigger bullets, the idea of more bullets wins for me. One stat I've heard is that under duress, even the most experienced shooters will miss half the time. We all like to think we'll do better, but I've never shot at anything that was shooting back, so I wouldn't know.

[Randallflagg]

While I see the appeal of bigger bullets, the idea of more bullets wins for me. One stat I've heard is that under duress, even the most experienced shooters will miss half the time. We all like to think we'll do better, but I've never shot at anything that was shooting back, so I wouldn't know.


Unfortunately, I have. When I was in Viet Nam, I was an 11B (Infantry). I started out in the A Shau Valley with the 101st Airborne.

Let's put it this way: There was a LOT of shooting. And, it's true. 90% of the time, you are just trying to keep the other guys head down....it's that other 10%......I'll let it go at that.

[Frazod]

Unfortunately, I have. When I was in Viet Nam, I was an 11B (Infantry). I started out in the A Shau Valley with the 101st Airborne.

Let's put it this way: There was a LOT of shooting. And, it's true. 90% of the time, you are just trying to keep the other guys head down....it's that other 10%......I'll let it go at that.

Holy shit. Yeah, I'll refrain from offering you any further shooting advice.

[Pitt Gorilla]

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[Randallflagg]

Holy shit. Yeah, I'll refrain from offering you any further shooting advice.



Nope. I always take advice from anyone. Matter of fact, speaking of "targets" - this is the system I use regularly (well, every month or two) rather than going to the Bullet Hole or driving out to the country. Works damned well, too!

https://www.itargetpro.com

It IS one of the few "laser" system that I have tried that I really like.

[Lzen]

Nope. I always take advice from anyone. Matter of fact, speaking of "targets" - this is the system I use regularly (well, every month or two) rather than going to the Bullet Hole or driving out to the country. Works damned well, too!

https://www.itargetpro.com

It IS one of the few "laser" system that I have tried that I really like.

That's cool. Might have to get one.

[Lzen]

... If I'm going someplace where I might be forced to leave my gun in the car or otherwise unattended in a non-secure environment, I carry a little 7+1 Ruger LC9s, which is adequate, but just barely.

I carry a Ruger LC9 with a 9+1 extended mag.

[Lzen]

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That doesn't prove anything. 2 completely different places, different officers, different times (I've seen that second one, it's been around for a few years).

[Frazod]

That's cool. Might have to get one.

Yeah, same here.

One of the nice things about the CZ is it's double/single, so I can actually pull the trigger repeatedly when it's dry without racking the slide. Double action pull is obviously heavier than the single, but that's even better for practice.

[Strongside]

How is this thread not in DC, mods?

[Hoover]

That doesn't prove anything. 2 completely different places, different officers, different times (I've seen that second one, it's been around for a few years).
Frankly I'm suprised that the first guy wasn't treated the same way.

Look, I'm all for gun rights. I have and use my CC permit.

But I think it's fu@king stupid to walk down the sidewalk with a AR 15 just because you can.

[Frazod]

How is this thread not in DC, mods?

Why the fuck should it be? It's about concealed carry guns, not politics.

[tmax63]

That's great, if you're being attacked by jugs of water.

The size and weight difference between a subcompact 9mm and a subcompact .380 is negligible. While a .380 is better than nothing, it's just not nearly as effective, especially if it's a big guy coming after you.

Again, this opinion doesn't come from me - it comes from people far more informed and more experienced than me. I'm just passing it along.

I agree with everything said here but I will add that a 380 in your shirt pocket or front pants pocket is better than a nine or 45 in the glove box or at home. As you said, it's better than nothing and the little Taurus I have has ridden many times in my front pants pocket when I wouldn't of been able to carry otherwise and if 3 or 4 of the 7 rounds it carries make it on target it may not stop the bad guy but it will have him thinking about something other than killing me or my family.

[Randallflagg]

I agree with everything said here but I will add that a 380 in your shirt pocket or front pants pocket is better than a nine or 45 in the glove box or at home. As you said, it's better than nothing and the little Taurus I have has ridden many times in my front pants pocket when I wouldn't of been able to carry otherwise and if 3 or 4 of the 7 rounds it carries make it on target it may not stop the bad guy but it will have him thinking about something other than killing me or my family.


The .380 gets a bad rap - and sometimes, rightfully so. However, there are times when it isn't really practical to carry a "larger" frame 9mm or (especially) a .45.

In the winter I have no trouble whatsoever throwing on my shoulder rig and carrying my Springfield 1911 - hell, I actually enjoy it. It "rides" well and it is NOT noticeable under my coat.

However, in the Spring and Summer months, when you are out and about and sweating like a hog - the .380 is EASILY concealable. Front pocket, SOB holster, easily concealable.

The reason the .380 takes a beating is because (unfortunately) most folks use ball ammo. a .380 with ball ammo - unless you get a really close shot will just piss people off....

Load it up with Lehigh defense 90gr extreme penetrator and you would be good to go. Just make damn sure that, if you MUST use it for Self defense, make the rounds count.

My Wife prefers the RIP rounds in her PPK and they WILL make a mess of things..but they are pricey.

[nychief]

Why the **** should it be? It's about concealed carry guns, not politics.

Agreed, it's just a hobby thread... for guys who like to bring guns to Walmart.

[Couch-Potato]

Ask yourself how much the weapon you're considering costs, then ask yourself how much a Uhaul would cost? Just move into a nice neighborhood, problem solved.

[Pointer19]

Ask yourself how much the weapon you're considering costs, then ask yourself how much a Uhaul would cost? Just move into a nice neighborhood, problem solved.

Make sure to never leave your nice neighborhood lest you become a victim.

[Hoover]

Make sure to never leave your nice neighborhood lest you become a victim.
Yeah I live in a very nice neighborhood, and we still have some BS go on.

[tmax63]

Make sure to never leave your nice neighborhood lest you become a victim.

How 1950's of you. Unfortunately the neighborhood lines have blurred a lot in the last 50-75 years.

[Frazod]

Agreed, it's just a hobby thread... for guys who like to bring guns to Walmart.

Well, if it offends your delicate parts, sweetheart, I suggest the Thread Tools/Ignore Thread option.

You might need to seek some counseling as well. Good luck with that.

[mcculver5]

I carry a full sized Glock IWB EVERY day.

Most days I'm in a suit, but even on off days it fits under an untucked shirt.

If I have to be tucked and jacketless I may carry a Browning hi-power in a tuckable IWB holster.

All platforms in .40 s&w. Bring on the hate.

[Frazod]

I carry a full sized Glock IWB EVERY day.

Most days I'm in a suit, but even on off days it fits under an untucked shirt.

If I have to be tucked and jacketless I may carry a Browning hi-power in a tuckable IWB holster.

All platforms in .40 s&w. Bring on the hate.

My nightstand gun is a Glock 22. Only .40 I have left. I don't take it shooting very often, so I'm not really worried about anything wearing out on it.

[Paniero]

I carry a Glock 43. It's my back up on duty and carry it in a Sticky IWB holster off duty. I will sometimes carry my .380 Roger LCP when I go out nearby my neighborhood.

[Lzen]

Frankly I'm suprised that the first guy wasn't treated the same way.

Look, I'm all for gun rights. I have and use my CC permit.

But I think it's fu@king stupid to walk down the sidewalk with a AR 15 just because you can.

I agree with their right to do it but yeah, I'm not gonna go walking down the city streets with a rifle like that.

[Lzen]

Agreed, it's just a hobby thread... for guys who like to bring guns to Walmart.

Go away, douche.

[nychief]

Go away, douche.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dOC1_AZGAs

[booger]

Agreed, it's just a hobby thread... for guys who like to bring guns to Walmart.

The thread starter started the thread for advice. Same reason I bumped it you useless fucking thumb sucking sissy. Do we troll your threads for advice on butt plugs and sissy shit? Piss off pencil dick

[Bwana]

Agreed, it's just a hobby thread... for guys who like to bring guns to Walmart.

And apparently for people to whine in.

[Fairplay]

NOne, ill never purchase a gun. Ill shoot someone elses though if i wanna go shooting! Dont feel the need to have one. they do nothing for me. Though, i been wanting to get a pellet gun to shoot in the backyard with my nephew.

You'll shoot your eye out.

[Fairplay]

[QUOTE=Frazod;13125059
The size and weight difference between a subcompact 9mm and a subcompact .380 is negligible. While a .380 is better than nothing, it's just not nearly as effective, especially if it's a big guy coming after you.

Again, this opinion doesn't come from me - it comes from people far more informed and more experienced than me. I'm just passing it along.[/QUOTE]

Bottom line is what his wife comfortable with shooting and a .380 might be what it is. I'm a believer that even with smaller weapons you can pull the trigger more then once and I dare anyone to take one of those bullets in the gut from 15 feet away. Just keep pulling the trigger they will be down on the floor.

[hometeam]

RUGER LCP .380s on sale new for 179 bucks+free shipping right now. A steal for a back up/vehicle carry or plinker.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/54585/ruger_lcp_3701_6+1_380acp_275?cpath=

[Holladay]

Good to know. Thanks

[Holladay]

Gonna go in the back 40 and shoot tomorrow.

[hometeam]

Good to know. Thanks

Bought one. We had one years ago that was my GFs carry good little basic gun, decided to re-buy it.

[booger]

http://www.magnumresearch.com/firearms/magnum-research-mr9-eagle-15-round-4-inch-barrel.asp

Anyone shot one of these?
Frame made by Walther

[booger]

Gonna try that MR9 if I can find a range that stocks it. Probably try to shoot the CZ, Springfield XD, Sig P320, and Glock 19. Glock seems to have a ton of accessories options available so that’s definitely a plus. Sounds like their stock sights suck though. Anyone with pro/con thoughts on the G19? Gen 3-4-5?

[Perineum Ripper]

Gonna try that MR9 if I can find a range that stocks it. Probably try to shoot the CZ, Springfield XD, Sig P320, and Glock 19. Glock seems to have a ton of accessories options available so that’s definitely a plus. Sounds like their stock sights suck though. Anyone with pro/con thoughts on the G19? Gen 3-4-5?

Hard to go wrong with Glock..as long as it feels comfortable in your hand and you like how it shoots..each Gen made little improvements here and there but nothing major if I remember right..not really a Glock man myself

I love the Springfield XDm series..always had great luck with them..I say just go to a range that has tons of guns and shoot them and whenever you find one you like go with it..everyone has a preference and when it comes to a gun that you use to protect yourself it doesn’t matter if it is super expensive or a cheap gun you bought..as long as you are comfortable it and are accurate with it then those are two important steps

[booger]

Hard to go wrong with Glock..as long as it feels comfortable in your hand and you like how it shoots..each Gen made little improvements here and there but nothing major if I remember right..not really a Glock man myself

I love the Springfield XDm series..always had great luck with them..I say just go to a range that has tons of guns and shoot them and whenever you find one you like go with it..everyone has a preference and when it comes to a gun that you use to protect yourself it doesn’t matter if it is super expensive or a cheap gun you bought..as long as you are comfortable it and are accurate with it then those are two important steps

Yeah it’s going to come down to how it feels, trigger pull...going to be different for everyone. I won’t carry right away either just to carry. Get plenty of practice. Seems like glocks are durable as heck. On the other hand I got to see how the Springfield grip safety feels. The idea of it seems pretty nice and less likely to shoot my pecker off! Ha! No the feel of unholstering is an important aspect too. Thank for the input :thumb:

[booger]

Went to a show recently on the last day of the show. Picked up a Gen4 G19 new for 425. That was one of the best handgun deals at the show and luckily not a lot of attendants the first two days so they still had some. Now I just got to hit the range!

[Randallflagg]

http://www.magnumresearch.com/firearms/magnum-research-mr9-eagle-15-round-4-inch-barrel.asp

Anyone shot one of these?
Frame made by Walther


My Grandson bought a "Baby Eagle" in .40 a while back. We took it to the range and shot it. He sold it the next week.

Neither of us really liked the way it shot and the way it "felt" in the hand. Just didn't seem to fit very well - that and the slide was probably the smallest I have ever encountered. I'm a big guy (6'3 and 280) and honestly, my fat-assed fingers couldn't get enough of a grip on the slide to work it.

[Randallflagg]

Yeah it’s going to come down to how it feels, trigger pull...going to be different for everyone. I won’t carry right away either just to carry. Get plenty of practice. Seems like glocks are durable as heck. On the other hand I got to see how the Springfield grip safety feels. The idea of it seems pretty nice and less likely to shoot my pecker off! Ha! No the feel of unholstering is an important aspect too. Thank for the input :thumb:


Glocks ARE great pistols - no doubt about it. I nearly bought a Springfield XDS in .45 last year - until I actually picked it up and held it - no. I mean, I LOVE Springfield full size pistols - I own two, but this thing "felt" like it should be "made specific" for little guys only....

[srvy]

I am going to have to get to a range and try the S&W MP2.0 compact. Hickok reviewed it and of course liked the Glock 19 better but had to really dig to find anything wrong with the S&W.
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[Bob Dole]

I picked up a Taurus (Brazil) 740 SLIM I've had no issues with. Will fit in my front pocket, but not too small for my paws.

[Iowanian]

I don't believe in weapons that can murder innocent people.

I just carry a single viagra, because if someone tries to rob me, they're F'd.

[kepp]

I don't believe in weapons that can murder innocent people.

I just carry a single viagra, because if someone tries to rob me, they're F'd.

But you can only fight them off for four hours. After that, you're supposed to seek medical help.

[stumppy]

I don't believe in weapons that can murder innocent people.

I just carry a single viagra, because if someone tries to rob me, they're F'd.

just watch where you point that thing.

[Iowanian]

But you can only fight them off for four hours. After that, you're supposed to seek medical help.

The spider man-spitting cobra defense attachment allows me ample time to get away from a real jam.

[Frazod]

I am going to have to get to a range and try the S&W MP2.0 compact. Hickok reviewed it and of course liked the Glock 19 better but had to really dig to find anything wrong with the S&W.
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Yeager likes this so much he switched to using it as his daily carry gun after years of carrying a Glock 19.

[booger]

My Grandson bought a "Baby Eagle" in .40 a while back. We took it to the range and shot it. He sold it the next week.

Neither of us really liked the way it shot and the way it "felt" in the hand. Just didn't seem to fit very well - that and the slide was probably the smallest I have ever encountered. I'm a big guy (6'3 and 280) and honestly, my fat-assed fingers couldn't get enough of a grip on the slide to work it.

I’ve heard that about magnum Research. I think they got bought out by Kahr. This one looks cool with the stainless slide and milled down to a desert eagle profile. The frame is Walther and after looking at it and thinking about it I was like just by a Walther then. Who cares about looks. Plus for another 25 bucks I could get the Glock and an extra mag and plenty options on accessories

[tx4chiefs]

Sig P239 - super well made firearm

Similar size to the Glock 43, but made with real steel not plastic.

https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p239/

[booger]

Glocks ARE great pistols - no doubt about it. I nearly bought a Springfield XDS in .45 last year - until I actually picked it up and held it - no. I mean, I LOVE Springfield full size pistols - I own two, but this thing "felt" like it should be "made specific" for little guys only....

I really like the idea of the grip safety. But on a poly I would just worry about plastic part problems. Seems like a popular gun though for sure

[booger]

I am going to have to get to a range and try the S&W MP2.0 compact. Hickok reviewed it and of course liked the Glock 19 better but had to really dig to find anything wrong with the S&W.
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That Hickok45 dude has some great reviews! Plus if you renew or join NRA he’s got a discount through his sight

[booger]

I picked up a Taurus (Brazil) 740 SLIM I've had no issues with. Will fit in my front pocket, but not too small for my paws.

I want to check out there snub nose revolvers down the road

[booger]

I don't believe in weapons that can murder innocent people.

I just carry a single viagra, because if someone tries to rob me, they're F'd.

I’ve heard their generic of the viagra is actually more potent. Mycoxsafloppin I think is the name

[amyacker]

M&P 9mm Shield


Sig P320 9mm

osagecountyguns.com/firearm-accessories/grips/p320-p250.html



Thanks, This is helpful. I run MFT LAR-15 mags in my AR-15 and they work well and save a lot of time at the range between reloads compared to the standard 5 mags.

[BlackHelicopters]

What does Chuck Norris carry?
Liam Neeson?

[MahiMike]

uh, try keestering?

[GoHuge]

I got a Glock 43 last year and can't say enough good things about it. After 20 rounds it feels and shoots like a full size. Night sights are standard now and if you like the Glock trigger, you'll be right at home. Only holds 6 in the mag, but if you can't get it done with 6 rounds you deserve to be dead anyway.

[tx4chiefs]

Sig P-239. Great pistol. Quality first!
When your life depends on it, don't go low bidder.

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p239-nitron-compact.html

[Randallflagg]

Sig Sauer P365 - Micro compact and holds 10 in the Mag and one in the tube. Weighs in at just over a pound.

[Warrior5]

Sig P938.

[Couch-Potato]

Lotta trouble round dem parts in Hiawatha?