Alright, so WHO do you replace Alex with?

[Direckshun]

I'm in favor like everybody else on this board (and 85% of the NFL) of upgrading at QB.

But there is nobody to do that with.

It's easy to say it should be done.

Which of these steps are you willing to take?

Poll coming.

[carcosa]

my dad

[The Franchise]

Cut/Trade Smith.
Re-sign Foles. (optional)
Trade up for Kizer.

[LoneWolf]

Direckshun's whore mother.

[Aspengc8]

I'd rather fix the play calling than replace Alex.The last few games before the steelers, offense was moving the ball fine. Why? Because they were running on first and second down, and putting Alex in 3rd & 3-5 yards. That scheme was completely abandoned against the steelers. Andy's fault or Childress? Who is actually calling the plays? Trying to stop Kelce, Maclin, Hill, Ware and spy Alex on third and short is literally impossible.

[Why Not?]

Anyone have a gif of the scene in Christmas Vacation where the boss says

"Get me someone! Anyone! And get me someone while I'm waiting!"

[ptlyon]

Batman

[ptlyon]

Direckshun's whore mother.

ROFL

[carcosa]

just fucking draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round god dammit. don't wait for the perfect QB draft class, because that doesn't exist. just find a talented guy you like who fits in the system (or who could grow into the system) and fucking TRY FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!!!!

[jjchieffan]

I'd rather fix the play calling than replace Alex.The last few games before the steelers, offense was moving the ball fine. Why? Because they were running on first and second down, and putting Alex in 3rd & 3-5 yards. That scheme was completely abandoned against the steelers. Andy's fault or Childress? Who is actually calling the plays? Trying to stop Kelce, Maclin, Hill, Ware and spy Alex on third and short is literally impossible.

The return of the RRPP offense.

[Discuss Thrower]

Offer Detroit Alex Smith and no more than the value of a 2017 1st rounder + a single 3rd-5th rounder for Stafford and at least a 2017 2nd.

Slightly rougher cap hit for Stafford than Smith without severely handicapping ability to draft for other team needs in 2017 which is what it would take to draft a rookie QB this season.

[KC_Lee]

Cut/Trade Smith.
Re-sign Foles. (optional)
Trade up for Kizer.

I'll take this all day and twice on Sunday.

[BlackHelicopters]

Get a true OC. Design aggressive game plans.

[rico]

Cut/trade Smith.
Retain Foles.
Draft Davis Webb.

[Rasputin]

Direckshun's whore mother.

Is she even available?


Oh wait of course she is :)

[Mr. Kotter]

We don't have any really good choice. Draft a 2nd or 3rd rounder, and cross your fingers. Have Smith groom him, and if an injury happens--who knows. If Smith ends up as the guy again, Reid better take the reins off. To hell with losing a couple of games due to turn-overs, if we can trade those losses for wins with Smith playing more aggressively.

We've tried it the safe way enough with Smith; might as well try something else. I just don't know if Andy and Alex are up for it.

[gblowfish]

I don't want a QB named "Mitch." You know within two or three games we'll all be calling him "Bitch."

[Rooster]

Cut/Trade Smith
Retain Foles
Draft a freaking QB early

[Direckshun]

Direckshun's whore mother.

LMAO

How's Eric Fisher working out for you?

[Reerun_KC]

LMAO

How's Eric Fisher working out for you?

Leaned on him in the biggest game in decades.... Results were very #1 over all Chiefy like.

[carcosa]

I don't want a QB named "Mitch." You know within two or three games we'll all be calling him "Bitch."

or mINTch

[ptlyon]

I don't want a QB named "Mitch." You know within two or three games we'll all be calling him "Bitch."

Mitch, mitch a sonofabitch, a dirty cocksucker and a twitch in a ditch. His name is mitch.

[LoneWolf]

LMAO

How's Eric Fisher working out for you?

I'm not Eric Fisher's personal trainer, but I did pull a train on your mother last night.

[Direckshun]

I'm not Eric Fisher's personal trainer, but I did pull a train on your mother last night.

Working out that well for you, is he?

[LoneWolf]

Working out that well for you, is he?

I'm not sure why you are referencing Eric Fisher in an Alex Smith thread. Are you suggesting that KC should have drafted a QB instead of Fisher? If so, I'd like to know which one. Fisher has proven to be one of the most productive players at the top of that draft class.

I am waiting along with Sorter for you to clarify your statement that Phillip Rivers is the perfect QB for Reid's offense.

[-King-]

If we can trade up to get Watson, I'd do it


All the other QBs will be long gone or we'll have to trade too far up to be a good idea.
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[ptlyon]

I'm not Eric Fisher's personal trainer, but I did pull a train on your mother last night.

Damn son, full of em today ROFL

[Hoover]

Why would we replace PRO-BOWL QB Alex Smith?

[Direckshun]

I'm not sure why you are referencing Eric Fisher in an Alex Smith thread. Are you suggesting that KC should have drafted a QB instead of Fisher? If so, I'd like to know which one. Fisher has proven to be one of the most productive players at the top of that draft class.

I just remember you rising to his defense in DraftPlanet. Was wondering if you were still singing his praises.

It seems that you are.

[MTG#10]

I'm the only one that likes the idea of Rivers? In this offense with our play-makers he'd tear shit up. I still want to draft a QB high obviously, but our window isn't going to last forever.

[DJ's left nut]

A) Foles

and

B) Trade up for Tribusky or
C) Trade up for Kizer or
D) Take Mahomes in 2 or
E) Trade up for Watson or
F) Load up on picks for a QB next year

Foles can be a band-aid until one of the rooks develop or we grab one in '18.

I can't back Smith again. Not after that GIF.

[O.city]

Fuck foles.

Cut them both, roll with rookie.

[loochy]

I'm the only one that likes the idea of Rivers? In this offense with our play-makers he'd tear shit up. I still want to draft a QB high obviously, but our window isn't going to last forever.
I voted for that (among other things too)


but it's behind this one:

ALL IN FOR WATSON

[dls6501]

Cut/Trade Smith
Retain Foles
Draft a freaking QB early

This is what I want. Foles and/or a rookie QB would have zero problem matching Alex's production.

[LoneWolf]

I just remember you rising to his defense in DraftPlanet. Was wondering if you were still singing his praises.

It seems that you are.

Really? Find posts of me rising to Fisher's defense. If I did, it was only to argue with the Geno Smith retards. By the way, anyone defending the Fisher pick back then has been proven to be right.

[carcosa]

Trade Alex Smith for Aaron Rodgers straight up. Green Bay would be getting great value based on draft position, so I think they'd go for it.

[loochy]

Trade Alex Smith for Aaron Rodgers straight up. Green Bay would be getting great value based on draft position, so I think they'd go for it.

Yeah! I mean they are getting a freakin PRO BOWLER here

[Titty Meat]

Romo

[Fish]

I'm the only one that likes the idea of Rivers? In this offense with our play-makers he'd tear shit up. I still want to draft a QB high obviously, but our window isn't going to last forever.

I like his talent, but he's a whiny cunt. I don't want him mentoring our QBOTF...

[carcosa]

Yeah! I mean they are getting a freakin PRO BOWLER here

Aaron probably won't even be able to play in the Pro Bowl this year!!!

[loochy]

Aaron probably won't even be able to play in the Pro Bowl this year!!!

pssh, what a loser

[Mr. Laz]

Offer Detroit Alex Smith and no more than the value of a 2017 1st rounder + a single 3rd-5th rounder for Stafford and at least a 2017 2nd.

Slightly rougher cap hit for Stafford than Smith without severely handicapping ability to draft for other team needs in 2017 which is what it would take to draft a rookie QB this season.

Why in the fuck would Detroit make that trade?

[Rooster]

Why in the **** would Detroit make that trade?

ROFL I'm glad someone asked the question.

[RealSNR]

Alex is a valuable trade chip to get draft stock back. I wanted to keep him one more year and draft his backup, but if we've got to get moving and shaking in the draft, it may make more sense to trade him now and use his value in a deal for a higher pick/QB.

No way this will happen, but if reality were like Madden, I'd throw Alex at San Diego for Philip Rivers. Supplement with extra draft picks as needed.

[Direckshun]

Really? Find posts of me rising to Fisher's defense.

Alrighty.

Fisher is a piano player. And at left tackle, that's fine.

At guards, you need piano lifters.

If "that's fine" at left tackle, then why the comment about needing a new LT?

I don't think we need a new left tackle. But Fisher isn't exactly winning the line of scrimmage. He's not plowing people or getting a ton of push.

I'd argue that Fisher is an above average run blocker.

You showed zero evidence to back up your argument that Fisher isn't winning the line of scrimmage when the Chiefs try to run the ball downhill.

Well, consider this playoff game Exhibit A.

[LoneWolf]

Alrighty.











Well, consider this playoff game Exhibit A.

Because of one questionable holding call? You're nuttier than a fruit cake.

Fisher is an above average LT. He is an adequate run blocker. When KC did run the ball vs. Pitt, they averaged over 4 yds per carry.

LT is very low on the priority list for improvements in the offseason.

I win.

[Direckshun]

Because of one questionable holding call? You're nuttier than a fruit cake.

Fisher is an above average LT. He is an adequate run blocker. When KC did run the ball vs. Pitt, they averaged over 4 yds per carry.

LT is very low on the priority list for improvements in the offseason.

I win.

Heh. Well you're certainly rising to Fisher's defense now.

I'm not arguing, and have never argued, that we should replace Fisher.

I'm arguing he's not winning the line of scrimmage against a tough front seven. He's primarily a finesse player.

But have it your way.

[RealSNR]

If we can find a set of cyborg legs, we should trade for Teddy Bridgewater and perform some surgery.

[Discuss Thrower]

Why in the fuck would Detroit make that trade?

Because they're a franchise that's slightly worse than KC and there's some that don't think Stafford can get the job done any more.

I definitely wouldn't bet a mortgage on it happening, but it's about the only veteran for veteran trade that makes sense player, cap and draft wise in a vacuum.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Why in the **** would Detroit make that trade?

Why would the Chiefs make that trade?

[RealSNR]

Why would the Chiefs make that trade?

Because we're getting a QB who can throw for more than 15 fucking TDs in a goddamn season.

[Black Bob]

Desean Watson but I doubt we'd have to trade much if anything to get him. His footwork is terrible but he's smart and I think it can be fixed in time.

[Rain Man]

I went with Rivers or trade up for that Watson guy that I know nothing about but keep hearing about. I also said that I don't really know just to cover my bases.

[DaneMcCloud]

A) Foles

and

B) Trade up for Tribusky or
C) Trade up for Kizer or
D) Take Mahomes in 2 or
E) Trade up for Watson or
F) Load up on picks for a QB next year

Foles can be a band-aid until one of the rooks develop or we grab one in '18.

I can't back Smith again. Not after that GIF.

Hell at this point, I'd trade for Garopollo if it meant no Alex Smith.

I've been a past supporter but if he's the starting QB in 2017, I'll seriously question whether or not I purchase the Sunday Ticket for the 15 consecutive year.

[LoneWolf]

The Chiefs offense completely changes when the offensive line controls the line of scrimmage. We are two guards (and let's face it: a left tackle) away from doing that.


I'm not arguing, and have never argued, that we should replace Fisher.

:hmmm:

[Direckshun]

:hmmm:

Yeah but I'm fine with a left tackle that's not much of a mauler so long as he's keeping the backside clean. I have no forgiveness for that, however, from a guard.

Fisher's done a decent enough a job of that this season. Hopefully he continues to improve.

[Black Bob]

What about Bortles? You think Reid could fix him?

[Direckshun]

Hell at this point, I'd trade for Garopollo if it meant no Alex Smith.

I've been a past supporter but if he's the starting QB in 2017, I'll seriously question whether or not I purchase the Sunday Ticket for the 15 consecutive year.

Oh balls, I forgot to include Garopollo as an option.

[Reerun_KC]

Hell at this point, I'd trade for Garopollo if it meant no Alex Smith.

I've been a past supporter but if he's the starting QB in 2017, I'll seriously question whether or not I purchase the Sunday Ticket for the 15 consecutive year.


:eek:

Wow Dane....

I dropped NFLST when Herm was hired and have looked back... NFL Mobile does what I need it to do... Especially if its a beautiful Sunday in the heartland, I would rather be on the golf course with my son listening to the game than in front of a TV.

[Reerun_KC]

What about Bortles? You think Reid could fix him?

Reid isnt a QB Guru... That myth needs to stop...

But a QB like Bortles could flourish under Reids offense....

[Bewbies]

If you can't get one of the guys you see as best or 2nd best option at QB, I'm moving back and loading up on picks for next year.

I'd also be okay with getting Rivers as a stop gap for 2-3 years if you drafted a guy who needed a red shirt.

[The Franchise]

Hell at this point, I'd trade for Garopollo if it meant no Alex Smith.

I've been a past supporter but if he's the starting QB in 2017, I'll seriously question whether or not I purchase the Sunday Ticket for the 15 consecutive year.

I won't be. I'm done paying to watch games that he's starting in.

[Reerun_KC]

Sure got quiet around here now that the ballwashers are gone...

Bring back Clay? LOL!

[O.city]

Reid gets the most out of a qb he can. He's not taking Alex smith to Aaron rodgers, but he got him to perform at his peak capabilities.

That's not the case anymore, so move on

[Jerm]

Trade Alex for whatever and then do what you must to move up and draft Watson...

[RealSNR]

Sure got quiet around here now that the ballwashers are gone...

Bring back Clay? LOL!

Nah, I don't think Clay is better than Alex Smith at QB.

We do need him here, though.

[CaliforniaChief]

I voted for DeShaun Watson because he has moxie and all the physical tools I like in a QB. He wins big games.

But in the meantime, I'd keep Foles around and let him be the starter in 2017.

Would you trade Alex within the division? If so, San Diego. Other teams who could be interested:
Washington (depending on what happens with Cousins)
Cleveland (because Cleveland)
Chicago
San Francisco (LOL)
LA Rams
Houston
Buffalo
New York Jets

[The Franchise]

Fuck trying to trade him. Cut his stupid ass.

[Coochie liquor]

I'm the only one that likes the idea of Rivers? In this offense with our play-makers he'd tear shit up. I still want to draft a QB high obviously, but our window isn't going to last forever.

I'd be down with Rivers and draft a qb next year

[CaliforniaChief]

I'm fine with that too. Time to move on.

I mean, we've been treating the same disease with the same medicine and getting the same results.

I hear the people saying "It's not Alex's fault." Ok, but Alex is the sign of a mentality in the organization, and moving on from him sends the message that nothing but championship contention is acceptable. That message MUST be sent. NOW.

The team needs it, the fans demand it, and the results cry out for it.

[KChiefs1]

Step one: Trade All-Pro QB Alex Smith for a 2nd round pick.

Step two: Use pick to trade up to get a QB in the first round.

Step three: Start Nick Foles next year while the rookie learns Andy's system.

Step four: Rookie starts in 2018.


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[DJ's left nut]

Reid isnt a QB Guru... That myth needs to stop...

But a QB like Bortles could flourish under Reids offense....

He might be Joel Quenneville. Quenneville was the Blues coach for years and that guy could take a bag of dicks to 98 points and a playoff spot. He could also take 3 scoring lines and 4 All-Star Caliber defensemen to 105 points and a playoff spot.

I called him a socialist coach because he pretty much pulled EVERYBODY to the middle. If you were a stud, you looked slightly better than Mike Eastwood (don't bother to look this person up, just take my word for it; he was not good).

That may be Andy. It's possible he's developed the kind of offensive system that papers over mediocre quarterbacks but would also serve to keep truly great one from excelling.

But if we draft one, he'll at least be cheap. If we have a coach that has built a system that can make any old JAG a 90 rated passer, then let's just go with any old JAG, just as long as he's cost controlled.

[Mr. Laz]

What about Bortles? You think Reid could fix him?
Bortles would get destroyed in our offense, he's not mobile enough.

Reid is not some offense genius or QB guru. He's just a coach.

I don't think any of our players on offense are living up to their potential.

Oline should be better
WRs should be better
Even the QBs should be better (Foles looked just like Smith when he was in there)

Our offensive staff is nothing special.

[kccrow]

I wonder if Cleveland would take a 1st and 3rd this year and a 1st in 2018 along with Alex Smith for the #1 pick? Rams gave up a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 1st and 3rd to move up 15 to 1. 27 is about another 2nd round pick away, so I'm valuing Smith at two 2nd's and a 3rd, which might be too much but its Cleveland and they have a baseball guy running the show.

Retain Foles. Trade Alex to Cleveland. Draft Trubisky and develop on the bench for a year.

Madden style deal for the win.

[New World Order]

I don't think it would take that much to get Rivers.

He'd cost a hell of a lot less than Romo.

[kccrow]

SD isn't going to trade Rivers to KC, guaranteed.

[Bewbies]

Bortles would get destroyed in our offense, he's not mobile enough.

Reid is not some offense genius or QB guru. He's just a coach.

I don't think any of our players on offense are living up to their potential.

Oline should be better
WRs should be better
Even the QBs should be better (Foles looked just like Smith when he was in there)

Our offensive staff is nothing special.

Everyone on our offense would look a lot better if we had a better QB. Look at how much better our pieces are than a lot of the top offenses in the league...

[CaliforniaChief]

LA isn't going to trade Rivers to KC, guaranteed.

FYP

[kccrow]

FYP

TY for that. They really do need to keep that franchise in SD. LA would be a disaster.

[Steve Sewell]

Offer Detroit Alex Smith and no more than the value of a 2017 1st rounder + a single 3rd-5th rounder for Stafford and at least a 2017 2nd.

Slightly rougher cap hit for Stafford than Smith without severely handicapping ability to draft for other team needs in 2017 which is what it would take to draft a rookie QB this season.

This isn't Madden.

[Tombstone RJ]

Here's what KC should do: cut/trade Smith and keep Foles, AND draft a QB in the first or second round.

[farmerchief]

Ive always liked Kirk Cousins, so Id go after him, if he hit free agency. IMO, a big upgrade over Smith, If Andy would turn him loose, and let him throw deep!

[farmerchief]

I went with Rivers or trade up for that Watson guy that I know nothing about but keep hearing about. I also said that I don't really know just to cover my bases.
Man, I would go with Rivers! If we had Rivers, we would have to be legitimate Super Bowl Favorites, provideing Andy gives up OC play calling duties!

[Fish]

Poll is missing an option for "A potato."

[Mr. Laz]

Here's what KC should do: cut/trade Smith and keep Foles, AND draft a QB in the first or second round.
Keep Smith and draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round.

No longer cost a ton to draft a guy.

No reason to cut your starter until you know what you have in the draftee.

If the draftee works out then you cut/trade your starter.

[Easy 6]

I replace him with Nick Foles, then if there is a QB I really see something in this year... the trade up gets pulled in the first 2 rounds and he sits behind Foles in 2017

If there isnt anyone I like in this draft, its

Foles

Bray

Some journeyman yokel who can at least complete a handoff... then go get my starchild in the supposedly QB heavy 2018 draft

[New World Order]

How much cap do we save if we cut Smith?

I would try to trade for Rivers and draft a quarterback.

[88TG88]

Ive always liked Kirk Cousins, so Id go after him, if he hit free agency. IMO, a big upgrade over Smith, If Andy would turn him loose, and let him throw deep!

hmmmmm

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Trubiski or Mahomes if we're making the move this year.

I'm not fooled by the athleticism of the Clemson product. That shit is going to bomb in this league. No need to move up.

[splatbass]

just ****ing draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round god dammit. don't wait for the perfect QB draft class, because that doesn't exist. just find a talented guy you like who fits in the system (or who could grow into the system) and ****ing TRY FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!!!!

So just do it to do it, regardless of whether it helps the team or not? Throw away a first round pick just so we can say we drafted a 1st round QB? Thankfully Dorsey makes picks based on something other than "everyone else has a first round QB so we should too".

[New World Order]

So just do it to do it, regardless of whether it helps the team or not? Throw away a first round pick just so we can say we drafted a 1st round QB? Thankfully Dorsey makes picks based on something other than "everyone else has a first round QB so we should too".


It's worked well for the Packers, Falcons and Steelers.

[New World Order]

Trubiski or Mahomes if we're making the move this year.

I'm not fooled by the athleticism of the Clemson product. That shit is going to bomb in this league. No need to move up.


Agreed.

[splatbass]

Why would the Chiefs make that trade?

For many here the grass is always greener. Even when it isn't.

[splatbass]

It's worked well for the Packers, Falcons and Steelers.

Is there an Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan or Big Ben in this draft?

[Marcellus]

It's worked well for the Packers, Falcons and Steelers.

Those teams didn't "just pick a guy to pick a guy".

If you want to see how that works out see the Cleveland Browns.

I am all for drafting THE guy, not just A guy. Huge difference.

[Reerun_KC]

For many here the grass is always greener. Even when it isn't.

Even when our grass is dead, we still hold on to hope.

[Easy 6]

Is there an Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan or Big Ben in this draft?

Who the hell knows?

Green Bay, Atlanta and Pittsburgh had NO foolproof idea when they picked those guys

[Smed1065]

Heh. Well you're certainly rising to Fisher's defense now.

I'm not arguing, and have never argued, that we should replace Fisher.

I'm arguing he's not winning the line of scrimmage against a tough front seven. He's primarily a finesse player.

But have it your way.

I think this is why AR has PO trouble.

Usually his finesse team versus a punch you in your face team in the PO. Finesse usually doesn't work near as effective when the other team is playing hard nose football due to timing, hitting WR at the line etc.

[Marcellus]

Who the hell knows?

Green Bay, Atlanta and Pittsburgh had NO foolproof idea when they picked those guys

Well Rodgers an Ryan were both potential #1 overall talent picks. Face it GB got lucky as fuck he fell to them.

Ben was definitely a bold move.

I trust Dorsey and Reid on this subject so if they like a guy they will take him. I think getting out maneuvered for lynch last year probably affects their strategy this year.

[New World Order]

Is there an Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan or Big Ben in this draft?


Maybe

[splatbass]

Those teams didn't "just pick a guy to pick a guy".

If you want to see how that works out see the Cleveland Browns.

I am all for drafting THE guy, not just A guy. Huge difference.

This. If there is a guy that Dorsey thinks is worth taking in the 1st round I'm sure he will pick him. If he doesn't I trust that he knows what he is doing. I know he won't just take one to take one. Dorsey>CP know it alls.

[Chief Northman]

I would inquire about the cost to get Drew Brees.
Trade or release Smith.
Draft one of Trubisky, Watson or Kizer.
Win Superbowls.

[New World Order]

I would inquire about the cost to get Drew Brees.
Trade or release Smith.
Draft one of Trubisky, Watson or Kizer.
Win Superbowls.


I think the price for Rivers would be VERY reasonable.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Offer Detroit Alex Smith and no more than the value of a 2017 1st rounder + a single 3rd-5th rounder for Stafford and at least a 2017 2nd.

Slightly rougher cap hit for Stafford than Smith without severely handicapping ability to draft for other team needs in 2017 which is what it would take to draft a rookie QB this season.

While the Chiefs are at it, they should offer a 2023 7th for Antonio Brown and Le"evion Bell.

[jd1020]

See no reason why it wouldn't be Foles. He's still available with a 2017 team option with a salary based on his 2016 performance, and considering he didnt perform hardly at all I can't imagine it would be much more than the baseline salary of $6.75M.

You don't even have to sell it as a throw away year because Foles has shown the potential to give you more than what they've gotten from Alex for 4 years, but there still needs to be a draft pick spent on a QB and I'm not talking about some 3rd day pick you cut before their rookie year.

[Easy 6]

Well Rodgers an Ryan were both potential #1 overall talent picks. Face it GB got lucky as **** he fell to them.

Ben was definitely a bold move.

I trust Dorsey and Reid on this subject so if they like a guy they will take him. I think getting out maneuvered for lynch last year probably affects their strategy this year.

They all absolutely had elite attributes coming out of college

Arm talent, glowing reviews about work ethic, proven ability in the clutch... yet all of those traits have also been displayed by countless busts through the years

All I'm saying is that if we never take the chance on a top kid, we'll never know what we might've missed out on, just like Pitt could've skipped past Ben because he was a small school product

Its well past time this franchise rolled the dice, and as you say the good news is that with Dorsey and Reid making the pick... we have a DAMN good shot at landing a winner, and not another Blackledge

[GloryDayz]

Cut him, let Poe play QB next year, backup Poe some scrub, go 0-16, get Drew Lock with the first pick in the draft.

[SAUTO]

While the Chiefs are at it, they should offer a 2023 7th for Antonio Brown and Le"evion Bell.

And all the watt's with our sixth rounder in the same draft

[SAUTO]

Wonder if they would throw in clowney and mercilus

[FlaChief58]

I can throw a football 10 yards for a fraction of the cash Alice is getting

[Marcellus]

They all absolutely had elite attributes coming out of college

Arm talent, glowing reviews about work ethic, proven ability in the clutch... yet all of those traits have also been displayed by countless busts through the years

All I'm saying is that if we never take the chance on a top kid, we'll never know what we might've missed out on, just like Pitt could've skipped past Ben because he was a small school product

Its well past time this franchise rolled the dice, and as you say the good news is that with Dorsey and Reid making the pick... we have a DAMN good shot at landing a winner, and not another Blackledge

I understand exactly what you are saying but we have to be in a position to draft a potential top talent.

Its up to Dorsey to figure out where and who that is. Not just take a guy in round 1 because there is a guy and we have to draft a guy in round 1.

This will be an interesting draft for sure because I bet they take a QB in early rounds if there is someone they like. Perfect time to sit him for a year behind Smith.

Smith is gone after 2017 barring a SB run. I have zero doubt, so they have a short window to work with.

Maybe they like Bray but I doubt it since they signed Foles.

[jd1020]

Perfect time to sit him for a year behind Smith.

I'm going to assume this is an oversight and you meant to say Foles.

[MahiMike]

What? No Garapolo in the poll?

[JohnnyHammersticks]

I'd honestly have more of an interest in watching the Chiefs next season if they had Honey Boo Boo as their starting QB than I will watching them with Alice.

[Marcellus]

I'm going to assume this is an oversight and you meant to say Foles.

Doubt that's going to happen, I am just being realistic.

[New World Order]

The Jets rumor could be plausible. After SixPatrick, I'm sure they would like a qb who doesn't throw many interceptions.

[notorious]

The Jets rumor could be plausible. After SixPatrick, I'm sure they would like a qb who doesn't throw many interceptions.

Don't.


Don't do this to yourself.

[New World Order]

Don't.


Don't do this to yourself.

LMAO

It's too late

[Marcellus]

The Jets rumor could be plausible. After SixPatrick, I'm sure they would like a qb who doesn't throw many interceptions.

Clay started this rumor and you are spreading it I assume.

[Easy 6]

I understand exactly what you are saying but we have to be in a position to draft a potential top talent.

Its up to Dorsey to figure out where and who that is. Not just take a guy in round 1 because there is a guy and we have to draft a guy in round 1.

This will be an interesting draft for sure because I bet they take a QB in early rounds if there is someone they like. Perfect time to sit him for a year behind Smith.

Smith is gone after 2017 barring a SB run. I have zero doubt, so they have a short window to work with.

Maybe they like Bray but I doubt it since they signed Foles.

Not advocating for a reach in any way whatsoever

I have O problems if they truly arent in love with a QB this year, as its not a particularly strong class... Foles, Bray, some yokel next year works for me

But in 2018, with a deep group? Yeah, its time to pull the trigger, trade up at least into the second at a minimum... between Dorsey and Reid we're almost sure to find a real player

[New World Order]

Clay started this rumor and you are spreading it I assume.


George

I could see Foles starting next year.

[Marcellus]

George

I could see Foles starting next year.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/01/andy_reids_strange_answer_about_alex_smiths_future.html

[RealSNR]

Those teams didn't "just pick a guy to pick a guy".

If you want to see how that works out see the Cleveland Browns.

I am all for drafting THE guy, not just A guy. Huge difference.

You mean the Cleveland Browns who turn to ex-backup after ex-backup year after year after year and it never works?

[NJChiefsFan]

A) Foles

and

B) Trade up for Tribusky or
C) Trade up for Kizer or
D) Take Mahomes in 2 or
E) Trade up for Watson or
F) Load up on picks for a QB next year

Foles can be a band-aid until one of the rooks develop or we grab one in '18.

I can't back Smith again. Not after that GIF.

I would still prefer him over Smith. I'm all for us going full in for a replacement, even if it's not next year. However Foles looked bad in his time so far. That's at best just above a lateral move imo.

[splatbass]

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/01/andy_reids_strange_answer_about_alex_smiths_future.html

Yeah, just NY media douchebags speculating on what they would like to happen. Nothing to see here, move along.

[splatbass]

You mean the Cleveland Browns who turn to ex-backup after ex-backup year after year after year and it never works?

I think he is referring to the 1st round picks they have made that didn't work:

Tim Couch
Brady Quinn
Brandon Weeden
Johnny Manziel

[el borracho]

You are deceiving yourselves. If Clay was the anti-Alex king of chiefsplanet, I have been the day one anti-Alex prince. But even I know that Alex is back in 2017. His guaranteed money comes well before the draft; the Chiefs aren't making any blockbuster trades for someone who may or may not be better than Alex, nor are they dumping Alex before they see what is available to them in the draft. They have been to the playoffs three times in four years. Don't tease yourselves, they may draft someone this year, but Alex will be the 2017 starter.

[SAUTO]

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/01/andy_reids_strange_answer_about_alex_smiths_future.html

A conditional 4th...

[threebag]

Can I get a Alex Smith restructure as a choice in the poll?

[JohnnyHammersticks]

George

I could see Foles starting next year.

Go back and watch that game where he missed Hill by 4 yards on a 5 yard slant at the goal line. It was one of the easiest potential touchdowns ever. I was on the Foles bandwagon until that split second. It's literally one of the most horrible passes I've ever seen a professional quarterback make.

[threebag]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/stealtth/dumbpeople.jpg

[CupidStunt]

Literally doesn't matter. Take a QB in every round of the draft. Start Bray. Sign X. It literally does not matter, as long as it's not Alex Smith, ergo you're at least trying SOMETHING else in the hopes of finding a franchise QB.

Sticking with Alex Smith is like having Marvin Lewis as your head coach. You'll never be the ugliest guy in the room, but there's no chance in hell you'll ever get close to the hot chicks.

[gold_and_red]

Replace with Len Dawson? Thats what Reid said in his introductory press conference in 2013, to find the next Dawson. Someone should remind him about it and ask how his search is going.

[go bo]

While the Chiefs are at it, they should offer a 2023 7th for Antonio Brown and Le"evion Bell.

I dunno, those guys aren't very good, maybe we should just offer a 2024 8th round pick instead...:hmmm:

[Rasputin]

Replace with Len Dawson? Thats what Reid said in his introductory press conference in 2013, to find the next Dawson. Someone should remind him about it and ask how his search is going.

He literally thinks it's Alex Smith.


That is why he is sticking with Alex Smith.

[go bo]

Cut him, let Poe play QB next year, backup Poe some scrub, go 0-16, get Drew Lock with the first pick in the draft.

hm, mm... didn't we try that lately and end up with fisher? :(

however, i am totally in favor of poe playing any position he wants! PBJ PBJ PBJ

[gold_and_red]

He literally thinks it's Alex Smith.


That is why he is sticking with Alex Smith.

Right, maybe it explains the 1960s and 70s passing production we are getting out of Smith.

[RealSNR]

Can I get a Alex Smith restructure as a choice in the poll?

All of the middle-of-the-road and mostly rational posters who supported Alex Smith have jumped off the ship in the past couple of days. The only people left on this Turdtanic are you, Captain Tiger, and the fucking string quartet.

Have fucking fun drowning in the sea of your own Alex jizz, you fucking dipshit

[go bo]

Not advocating for a reach in any way whatsoever

I have O problems if they truly arent in love with a QB this year, as its not a particularly strong class... Foles, Bray, some yokel next year works for me

But in 2018, with a deep group? Yeah, its time to pull the trigger, trade up at least into the second at a minimum... between Dorsey and Reid we're almost sure to find a real player

2018 sounds like it's far away somehow...

can we keep all our outstanding talent that long and still have some left for a fa or two?

if you could pick for the chiefs in 2018 who would you pick?

[Discuss Thrower]

While the Chiefs are at it, they should offer a 2023 7th for Antonio Brown and Le"evion Bell.

It's quite hard to get that kind of value in a trade. I definitely say pull the trigger.

[RealSNR]

I think he is referring to the 1st round picks they have made that didn't work:

Tim Couch
Brady Quinn
Brandon Weeden
Johnny Manziel

Oh THAAAAAAT'S why the Browns are terrible! Four QBs since they re-started their franchise in 1999 have utterly demolished the entire team! I get it now! And here I thought it was all of those cheap free agent and trade QBs that the Browns kept trying to turn into gold like they thought they could find the next Kurt Warner. You know, guys like:

Doug Pederson
Kelly Holcomb
Luke McCown
Jeff Garcia
Trent Dilfer
Jake Delhomme
Seneca Wallace
Jason Campbell
Brian Hoyer
Josh McCown
Robert Griffin III

But nope. FOUR fucking attempts at QBs. Two of them were exceptionally misguided ones in Weedon and Manziel, where they only people who thought they'd be great pros were the mentally challenged and small children. But nope... the Browns are terrible all because they draft first round QBs!

[threebag]

All of the middle-of-the-road and mostly rational posters who supported Alex Smith have jumped off the ship in the past couple of days. The only people left on this Turdtanic are you, Captain Tiger, and the fucking string quartet.

Have fucking fun drowning in the sea of your own Alex jizz, you fucking dipshit

Yeah Quesadilla joe can thumb pop your asshole while Steve Sewell's in your mouth. Go Geno.

You mouth hugging twat

[RealSNR]

The Browns have been a part of some pretty huge trade downs on draft day as well, where they sold their high draft picks for pretty damn good hauls. They got a huge haul going from 2 to 8 last year when the Eagles got Carson Wentz. Or that time in 2012 when they acquired extra picks and traded down with the Vikings two spots to take Trent Richardson. Or in 2009 when they traded out of the 5 spot a bunch of times and got... Alex Mack and a bunch of crap, I think?

They sure do a looooot of trading down in the 1st round. And look at the state of their franchise. I guess since correlation DOES equal causation, and the Browns drafting all those QBs in the first round is why they keep sucking, I guess teams should also be advised against trading down and getting lots of picks.

I mean, the Browns do it a lot, and they're terrible. So don't do it!

[splatbass]

All of the middle-of-the-road and mostly rational posters who supported Alex Smith have jumped off the ship in the past couple of days.

People get hysterical after a playoff loss. Alex Smith didn't play well yesterday, but there were a lot of reasons we lost besides Alex Smith. Placing the blame entirely on the QB is not rational, it is emotional.

[RealSNR]

Yeah Quesadilla joe can thumb pop your asshole while Steve Sewell's in your mouth. Go Geno.

You mouth hugging twat

Look around you. You're all alone. You and Alex.

I guess it's kind of exciting for you. You can finally empty all that saliva into his mouth in a nice quiet private safe space.

[gold_and_red]

The Browns have been a part of some pretty huge trade downs on draft day as well, where they sold their high draft picks for pretty damn good hauls. They got a huge haul going from 2 to 8 last year when the Eagles got Carson Wentz. Or that time in 2012 when they acquired extra picks and traded down with the Vikings two spots to take Trent Richardson. Or in 2009 when they traded out of the 5 spot a bunch of times and got... Alex Mack and a bunch of crap, I think?

They sure do a looooot of trading down in the 1st round. And look at the state of their franchise. I guess since correlation DOES equal causation, and the Browns drafting all those QBs in the first round is why they keep sucking, I guess teams should also be advised against trading down and getting lots of picks.

I mean, the Browns do it a lot, and they're terrible. So don't do it!

Speaking of the Browns, sure they drafted plenty of QBs early, but coaching also matters. If we had drafted Rodgers instead of DJ, do you trust Herm to have developed him in his RRPP offense?ROFL

[Easy 6]

2018 sounds like it's far away somehow...

can we keep all our outstanding talent that long and still have some left for a fa or two?

if you could pick for the chiefs in 2018 who would you pick?

Who would I pick for QB in 2018? I have no idea yet

But I'll tell you same as I would tell anyone else... give Nick Foles a full offseason and camp as the starting QB under Reid, and he'd give us a very exciting 2017

Many disagree with that take and I dont give a rats ass, Foles under Reid at this point in both of their careers would be an exciting, and winning brand of football

[RealSNR]

People get hysterical after a playoff loss. Alex Smith didn't play well yesterday, but there were a lot of reasons we lost besides Alex Smith. Placing the blame entirely on the QB is not rational, it is emotional.

I'm not having this same stupid argument with you about, "It's not ALL Alex's fault."

Alex needed perfection around him to get the job done, because he has so many shortcomings as a starting QB. He didn't get perfection. Why the fuck should he? NO FUCKING QB gets perfection, or rarely does.

It was a chickenshit gameplan from a chickenshit head coach trying to make the best out of his chickenshit QB. Clark's not going to get rid of the chickenshit head coach. So let's draft a guy, develop him on the bench, and take a fucking shot with him as soon as he's ready.

You know, like ANY FUCKING OTHER TEAM would have done years ago with Alex.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

So just do it to do it, regardless of whether it helps the team or not? Throw away a first round pick just so we can say we drafted a 1st round QB? Thankfully Dorsey makes picks based on something other than "everyone else has a first round QB so we should too".

Weak argument.

Roster is balls-deep.

Ergo, no pick wasted.

[Discuss Thrower]

Oh THAAAAAAT'S why the Browns are terrible! Four QBs since they re-started their franchise in 1999 have utterly demolished the entire team! I get it now! And here I thought it was all of those cheap free agent and trade QBs that the Browns kept trying to turn into gold like they thought they could find the next Kurt Warner. You know, guys like:

Doug Pederson
Kelly Holcomb
Luke McCown
Jeff Garcia
Trent Dilfer
Jake Delhomme
Seneca Wallace
Jason Campbell
Brian Hoyer
Josh McCown
Robert Griffin III

But nope. FOUR fucking attempts at QBs. Two of them were exceptionally misguided ones in Weedon and Manziel, where they only people who thought they'd be great pros were the mentally challenged and small children. But nope... the Browns are terrible all because they draft first round QBs!


Similarly, how has KC done with signing or trading for the "best" QB option while taking fliers on late round guys to develop:

Montana: 17-8 regular season starts, 2-2 playoffs, 0-1 AFCCG. 29-16 TDs/INTs 210 yards/game.
- Matt Blundin 1992 2nd Round: never started, 0-1 TDs/INT 7.5 yds/game.

Bono: 21-10 regular season, 0-1 playoffs. 37-27 TDs/INTs 175 yds/game
- Steve Matthews 1994 7th Round: never appeared for Kansas City
- Seve Stenstrom 1995 4th Round: never appeared for Kansas City

Grbac: 26-21 regular season, 0-1 playoffs. 66-46 TDs/INTs 217 yds/game
- Pat Barnes 1997 4th Round: never made a pass for Kansas City

Green: 48-40 regular season, 0-2 playoffs. 118-85 TDs/INTs 243 yds/game
- James Killian 2005 7th Round: never appeared for Kansas City
- Brodie Croyle 2006 3rd Round: 0-10 regular season, 0-0 playoffs. 8-9 TDs/INTs 92 yds/game

Huard: 10-11 regular season, 0-0 playoffs. 24-18 TDs/INTs 177 yds/game

Cassel: 19-28 regular season, 0-1 playoffs. 59-44 TDs/INTs 198 yds/game
- Ricky Stanzi 2011 5th Round: never appeared for Kansas City.

Smith: 41-21 regular season 1-2 playoffs. 76-28 TDs/INTs 222 yds/game
- Aaron Murray 2014 5th Round: cut and signed by Philadelphia before ever appearing for Kansas City
- Kevin Hogan 2016 5th Round: cut and signed by Cleveland before ever appearing for Kansas City.


The selection number KC typically picks a QB at? 140.

[Steve Sewell]

Yeah Quesadilla joe can thumb pop your asshole while Steve Sewell's in your mouth. Go Geno.

You mouth hugging twat

I think you guys should sign Geno Smith or Ryan Fitzpatrick to a long term deal.

[SuperBowl4]

FOLES!

[SuperBowl4]

I think you guys should sign Geno Smith or Ryan Fitzpatrick to a long term deal.Alex is better than both those guys.

[splatbass]

I'm not having this same stupid argument with you about, "It's not ALL Alex's fault."

Alex needed perfection around him to get the job done, because he has so many shortcomings as a starting QB. He didn't get perfection. Why the **** should he? NO ****ING QB gets perfection, or rarely does.

It was a chickenshit gameplan from a chickenshit head coach trying to make the best out of his chickenshit QB. Clark's not going to get rid of the chickenshit head coach. So let's draft a guy, develop him on the bench, and take a ****ing shot with him as soon as he's ready.

You know, like ANY ****ING OTHER TEAM would have done years ago with Alex.

More emotion. Can you change your tampon and calm down a little?

[New World Order]

Ignorance is bliss for Splat.

[Bob Dole]

Where is the "ANYBODY BUT ALICE SMIFF!!!" option?

[Steve Sewell]

Alex is better than both those guys.

Ok maybe you can pry EJ Manuel from the Bills then. Hoyer might also be a good choice.

[SuperBowl4]

Ok maybe you can pry EJ Manuel from the Bills then. Hoyer might also be a good choice.I would keep Nick Foles. He is worth a look. He looked pretty good in the no huddle offense in Philadelphia with Chip Kelly before he got injured and is younger than Alex Smith.

[GloryDayz]

You are deceiving yourselves. If Clay was the anti-Alex king of chiefsplanet, I have been the day one anti-Alex prince. But even I know that Alex is back in 2017. His guaranteed money comes well before the draft; the Chiefs aren't making any blockbuster trades for someone who may or may not be better than Alex, nor are they dumping Alex before they see what is available to them in the draft. They have been to the playoffs three times in four years. Don't tease yourselves, they may draft someone this year, but Alex will be the 2017 starter.
Well fuck showing and cheering next year's team then. Maybe if it's free! You can't care more than the team!

Sent from my phone using Tapatalk (so spelling be damned!!!)

[PAChiefsGuy]

Keep him for now. Draft a QB and let him learn as a backup in the meantime.

Alex isn't that bad. Ware, Kelce and Albert Wilson don't drop easy catches we win that game. Fisher doesn't hold we also probably win that game. Plenty of blame to go around.

Alex did all he could for us that game, he didn't play bad at all. We've been to the playoffs with him 3 out of 4 years he has been here. No need to make an immediate change at this point.

[Danguardace]

Foles makes the most sense short term, then draft a QB with the first round pick I dont care if it is a reach hopefully getting Ehinger, Bailey, Mauga and Howard back will feel like draft picks. Draft a WR in the Second.

Invest in this offense

[Nickhead]

you do not package picks for qb's.

name the last time it worked?

[Why Not?]

Alex isn't that bad.

Alex did all he could for us that game

Can someone show PACG the gif of Tyreek wide open for a touchdown throw most NAIA quarterbacks make?

[RealSNR]

More emotion. Can you change your tampon and calm down a little?

Give me an argument other than "Alex wasn't the problem."

Since you can't, other than, "That's just emotion," I'll acknowledge your tapout.

Go drown in the ocean, beach bum

[Dayze]

out of the options listed in the OP, I really don't know.

[Aspengc8]

Can someone show PACG the gif of Tyreek wide open for a touchdown throw most NAIA quarterbacks make?

Two potential TD's on this play.
http://smb.cdnllnwnl.neulion.com/u/nfl/nfl/coachtapes/2017/01/15/57163_3165/pc/57163_3165_1600.mp4



http://smb.cdnllnwnl.neulion.com/u/nfl/nfl/coachtapes/2017/01/15/57163_803/pc/57163_803_1600.mp4


Bonus Clip: The play-action where Alex's arm gets hit, was most likely a TD.
http://smb.cdnllnwnl.neulion.com/u/nfl/nfl/coachtapes/2017/01/15/57163_1273/pc/57163_1273_1600.mp4

[Titty Meat]

I don't put that last one on Smith. The first clip was bad though he's a pussy.

[Aspengc8]

I don't put that last one on Smith. The first clip was bad though he's a pussy.

I never said it was on Alex, if his arm wasn't hit it was a TD.

[Hammock Parties]

F) Load up on picks for a QB next year


This is the best strategy considering the wealth of picks we have, the overall strength of the roster (we can afford to trade a 1st) and the depth and top-end talent that will be coming out in 2018.

Sam Darnold, USC
Josh Rosen, UCLA
Lamar Jackson, Louisville
Josh Allen, Wyoming
Mason Rudolph, OKState
Jake Browning, Washington

There's a lot to like there. You might have a Manning-Rivers-Roethlisberger situation out of that group.

And as an added bonus, ditching Smith's $20M cap hit in 2018 and replacing it with a rookie QB contract will allow you to spend more money on the re-ups that will be due players going into their second contracts. God knows what Peters is going to want.

[splatbass]

Give me an argument other than "Alex wasn't the problem."

Since you can't, other than, "That's just emotion," I'll acknowledge your tapout.

Go drown in the ocean, beach bum

Did you change your tampon yet?

jjchiefsfan put a well argued explanation in this thread of ALL the reasons we lost, not just simplemindedly blaming only the QB like you:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=305286

[Tribal Warfare]

Mahomes the kid is a Russell Wilson type with a Colin Kaepernick arm.

[splatbass]

I think we should let Dorsey pick the QB. CP has a very poor record on QB selection.

[Buehler445]

This is the best strategy considering the wealth of picks we have, the overall strength of the roster (we can afford to trade a 1st) and the depth and top-end talent that will be coming out in 2018.

Sam Darnold, USC Every QB from USC has largely sucked ass
Josh Rosen, UCLA Hasn't won anything.
Lamar Jackson, Louisville Can't throw
Josh Allen, Wyoming Small school. Other than Wentz and Romo never pan out.
Mason Rudolph, OKState spread QB. Meh arm
Jake Browning, Washington Got truly exposed against real defense

There's a lot to like there. You might have a Manning-Rivers-Roethlisberger situation out of that group.

And as an added bonus, ditching Smith's $20M cap hit in 2018 and replacing it with a rookie QB contract will allow you to spend more money on the re-ups that will be due players going into their second contracts. God knows what Peters is going to want.

It's not like that group is without questions too. And I haven't even watched those guys virtually at all. They can't interview those guys until they declare. IMO that's the biggest part. Yeah. You have to see some tools and mental acuity on film, but if they interview like Geno then piling resources to go get a guy you know nothing about is rough.

Then if you end up with a bunch of picks and can't get the move done for a QB - presuming your guy is there - then you are stuck with picks and spending those resources on lower impact players.

That strategy carries a lot of risk. If there is a guy you think you can make work, you do it. The age of sure fire QBs is over. I'd probably say Peyton Manning was the last one. Maybe Luck but he's floundering in the worst division in football (not necessarily all his fault). If there is a guy you can work with, get him.

You need a guy that can do the following:
1. Take the easy stuff.
2. Make a handful of difficult throws a game.

Other than Rodgers who is doing ridiculous things with a criminally bad supporting cast. That's all these guys are doing. They aren't throwing it into tight windows 45 times a game. They take the easy stuff, which Reid can scheme for, and then they have to press in some bad situations.

If a guy can make the correct reads and accurately navigate a few bad situations, he can be successful. We don't need an all world guy, just a competent one.

[Titty Meat]

Did you change your tampon yet?

jjchiefsfan put a well argued explanation in this thread of ALL the reasons we lost, not just simplemindedly blaming only the QB like you:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=305286

He's became a terrible football poster since 13' when he bitched about trading Arenas and threw a tantrum when we didn't draft that piece of shit Geno Smith.

[Titty Meat]

Mahomes the kid is a Russell Wilson type with a Colin Kaepernick arm.

Not even close.

[splatbass]

He's became a terrible football poster since 13' when he bitched about trading Arenas and threw a tantrum when we didn't draft that piece of shit Geno Smith.

What specifically do you disagree with?

[Tribal Warfare]

Not even close.

We'll see people didn't think said player would succeed either.

[DJ's left nut]

Mahomes the kid is a Russell Wilson type with a Colin Kaepernick arm.

You realize that pretty much makes him John Elway, right?

May want to tap the brakes a bit there, hoss.

[RunKC]

Someone compared Mahomes to Culpepper last week. I could see that

[DJ's left nut]

Someone compared Mahomes to Culpepper last week. I could see that

Culpepper's like Ben in that he's an impossible comparison to make unless you're also built like a linebacker.

Culpepper would just stand there with fur flying around him, look over the line, bounce a blitzer off him and wing it downfield. Mahomes won't be able to do that.

Eh, still pretty bummed that Falk and Rudolph stayed. Not even because I really wanted either of them but because it would've made the class much deeper. Allen would have as well. Get Falk, Rudolph and Allen in there and there would have been at least a team or two that would've fallen in love with them and perhaps pushed another guy down.

In this class I really only see Kizer, Trubisky and Mahomes as potential franchise guys with Watson just being way too raw for my tastes (though he may fit with what Andy likes due to his mobility).

The class falls to absolute shit after those 3 (with an asterisk at 4; shit for many, might fit for some). That's going to make the odds of a reasonable trade-up pretty long. Those top 3 could all easily be gone by 10 and I'm not inclined to pay a premium to move up to 20 for Watson.

So just restructure Foles and come to the table ready to move next year.

[Tribal Warfare]

You realize that pretty much makes him John Elway, right?

May want to tap the brakes a bit there, hoss.

I never said Elway, don't put words in my mouth. The kid was the High School Texas State athlete of the year and has a baseball pedigree . You can't measure his learning quotient Ala Prescott/Wilson he has the same qualities though.. If he's put in a situation to succeed, there will mancrushes that will dawrf the Alex cult.

[DJ's left nut]

I never said Elway, don't put words in my mouth. The kid was the High School Texas State athlete of the year and has a baseball of year. You can't measure his learning quotient Ala Prescott/Wilson he has the same qualities though.. If he's put in a situation to succeed, there will mancrushes that will dawrf the Alex cult.

If you take Russell Wilson and give him Colin Kaepernicks arm, then make him 6'3'', 215 lbs, you have John Elway.

You can't say the dude is like one of the most mobile, intelligent quarterbacks in football (Wilson) and would possess the strongest arm in football (Kaepernick) in a pretty perfect QB frame (Mahomes has nice height/build) and then get indignant when it's pointed out that you've just combined the traits that yield a Hall of Fame quarterback.

[DaneMcCloud]

So just restructure Foles and come to the table ready to move next year.

We've all seen how the movie ends with Smith at QB and there's no doubt that he's declining.

IMO, the Chiefs should renegotiate Foles contract to something like 3 years, $22 million ($7 million or so per), then do whatever it takes to draft Mahomes, whether it's giving up all of their Comp Picks or a pick next year along with their #1 this year.

After the draft, trade or release Alex Smith. Go into TC with Foles and Mahomes as the #1 & #2, with Bray or someone else competing for the #3 spot.

At this point, after seeing Foles against Indy and Jax, while spending a full year with Reid, Nagy and Childress, I don't know how his performance would differ from another season of Alex Smith.

It's time to fucking move on.

[Tribal Warfare]

If you take Russell Wilson and give him Colin Kaepernicks arm, then make him 6'3'', 215 lbs, you have John Elway.

You can't say the dude is like one of the most mobile, intelligent quarterbacks in football (Wilson) and would possess the strongest arm in football (Kaepernick) in a pretty perfect QB frame (Mahomes has nice height/build) and then get indignant when it's pointed out that you've just combined the traits that yield a Hall of Fame quarterback.

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=1d6794ee-a08a-434e-95cb-f7dddb2f05dd

Never said Elway you're putting words in my mouth

[RunKC]

We've all seen how the movie ends with Smith at QB and there's no doubt that he's declining.

IMO, the Chiefs should renegotiate Foles contract to something like 3 years, $22 million ($7 million or so per), then do whatever it takes to draft Mahomes, whether it's giving up all of their Comp Picks or a pick next year along with their #1 this year.

After the draft, trade or release Alex Smith. Go into TC with Foles and Mahomes as the #1 & #2, with Bray or someone else competing for the #3 spot.

At this point, after seeing Foles against Indy and Jax, while spending a full year with Reid, Nagy and Childress, I don't know how his performance would differ from another season of Alex Smith.

It's time to ****ing move on.

Please god this. I would even take DeShaun Watson if they feel he's worth the pick.

[RealSNR]

He's became a terrible football poster since 13' when he bitched about trading Arenas and threw a tantrum when we didn't draft that piece of shit Geno Smith.


Link to the tantrum I threw?

I pretty much threw my arms up and said, "Whatever. Enjoy your slight upgrade over Matt Cassel, Chiefs."

[ndws]

Heh. Well you're certainly rising to Fisher's defense now.

I'm not arguing, and have never argued, that we should replace Fisher.

I'm arguing he's not winning the line of scrimmage against a tough front seven. He's primarily a finesse player.

But have it your way.

http://i.makeagif.com/media/1-18-2017/cik5MQ.gif

[Rain Man]

http://i.makeagif.com/media/1-18-2017/cik5MQ.gif

Defensive holding. Five yard penalty and - oh, wait. That's a Steeler. Never mind.

[kepp]

Defensive holding. Five yard penalty and - oh, wait. That's a Steeler. Never mind.

"Hulk Hogan with the suplex! Oh, wait...I'm an NFL ref now."

[oldman]

I'm not giving up 1/2 my picks this, let alone this and next years for a true 2nd rounder. I don't see trading for someone else's retread, either. Foles is a back up, period.

[DJ's left nut]

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=1d6794ee-a08a-434e-95cb-f7dddb2f05dd

Never said Elway you're putting words in my mouth

So just gonna ignore the transitive property here, eh?

You said he's like Russell Wilson with Kaepernick's arm - yes?
Russell Wilson is among the more intelligent, mobile QBs in football - yes?
Colin Kaepernick has among the strongest arms in football - yes?
Mahomes has a much better QB build than Wilson - yes?

Of course you didn't say he was Elway, but what you described IS a similar prospect to Elway - smart, mobile, good leadership intangibles, cannon of an arm, good build. I'm pointing out that saying "he's Russell Wilson with Colin Kaepernick's arm" is an incredibly stupid thing to say and the fact that you're trying so desperately to parse words here shows that you know it.

You overplayed your hand something awful. Mahomes is a fine prospect but you just started with a player that's on a HoF career track and then took his two worst problems (arm strength and physical stature) and not only mitigated them, but made them obvious strengths.

That's absurd.

[Tribal Warfare]

So just gonna ignore the transitive property here, eh?

You said he's like Russell Wilson with Kaepernick's arm - yes?
Russell Wilson is among the more intelligent, mobile QBs in football - yes?
Colin Kaepernick has among the strongest arms in football - yes?
Mahomes has a much better QB build than Wilson - yes?

Of course you didn't say he was Elway, but what you described IS a similar prospect to Elway - smart, mobile, good leadership intangibles, cannon of an arm, good build. I'm pointing out that saying "he's Russell Wilson with Colin Kaepernick's arm" is an incredibly stupid thing to say and the fact that you're trying so desperately to parse words here shows that you know it.

You overplayed your hand something awful. Mahomes is a fine prospect but you just started with a player that's on a HoF career track and then took his two worst problems (arm strength and physical stature) and not only mitigated them, but made them obvious strengths.

That's absurd.

LOL, Christ arguing just to argue correct? Where did I say Elway?

If you read the article you understand the comparison. The kid has a baseball pedigree , the arm, and athletic ability like Kaepernick and Wilson. His disposition is like Wilson's. If he can adapt quickly in a conducive situation like the Chiefs then yes he'll succeed.

[DJ's left nut]

LOL, Christ arguing just to argue correct? Where did I say Elway?

You can't be this dense.

My ENTIRE point is not that you said Elway, it's that you described him. You absolutely called the third highest rated quarterback in a mediocre class "Russell Wilson with Colin Kaepernick's arm" which is just stupid on its face.

No, he is not Russell Wilson with Kaepernick's arm because if he WERE, he'd be John Elway.

Have I broken this down enough for you? I'm saying your comparison is absurd because you've just about built the perfect quarterback by combining Wilson and Kaepernick and no, Pat Mahomes is not the perfect quarterback.

[Tribal Warfare]

You can't be this dense.

My ENTIRE point is not that you said Elway, it's that you described him. You absolutely called the third highest rated quarterback in a mediocre class "Russell Wilson with Colin Kaepernick's arm" which is just stupid on its face.

No, he is not Russell Wilson with Kaepernick's arm because if he WERE, he'd be John Elway.

Have I broken this down enough for you? I'm saying your comparison is absurd because you've just about built the perfect quarterback by combining Wilson and Kaepernick and no, Pat Mahomes is not the perfect quarterback.

Fuck it, you're putting words in my mouth didn't read the article for the comparison.

You're justbeing combative

[Mr. Laz]

Fisher is good enough, he will continue to get stronger as he gets older. He will fall for those cheap moves less and less. He just happened to be shafted by the refs at exactly the wrong time.

Those bastard refs let them play in the trenches the entire game and then suddenly decided to pay attention in the last minute of the game.

Chiefs ... the only team in the NFL that doesn't get home field refing

[DJ's left nut]

Fisher was the LT for one of the best pass-blocking teams in the game this year. And our struggles in the run game had little do to with the stretch plays, etc... that he would've been heavily involved in.

Fisher was a big time asset this season and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. He was the clear best choice for 1.1 and the extension he got will be a bargain for every season he plays under it.

Fisher is making lemons into lemonade. Shit draft year, but Dorsey did a damn fine job with the cards he was dealt.

[DaneMcCloud]

Fisher was the LT for one of the best pass-blocking teams in the game this year. And our struggles in the run game had little do to with the stretch plays, etc... that he would've been heavily involved in.

Fisher was a big time asset this season and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. He was the clear best choice for 1.1 and the extension he got will be a bargain for every season he plays under it.

Fisher is making lemons into lemonade. Shit draft year, but Dorsey did a damn fine job with the cards he was dealt.

Now, if the Chiefs could add Ron Leary for 4/$16, the offensive line would take a huge step forward...

[GloryDayz]

Defensive holding. Five yard penalty and - oh, wait. That's a Steeler. Never mind.

Well, to be honest, he didn't have him arm-bar hooked with a noogie twist, that's usually got to be the defensive hold technique that actually gets flagged.

NFL officials are ass-hats, and the first to be offended when the use of technology is suggested to help "fill in the gaps" they choose to not be looking at. I hope Karma has them all catch AIDS!

Oh, "the game would be too long." Yeah, lord knows more commercial breaks is the last thing those money-grubbing whores want a chance at.

[DJ's left nut]

Now, if the Chiefs could add Ron Leary for 4/$16, the offensive line would take a huge step forward...

28 with a degenerative knee?

Eh....I think we just saw his last great year because he didn't have to go a full season and he pretty much spent all of 2015 on the bench. That gave that knee plenty of time to rest and firm up.

But if you're signing him to a sizeable deal, you're rolling with him as the starter and I think you're going to get seriously diminishing returns.

I'd rather see another mid-rounder (4thish) allocated to OG. Fulton has plateaued (at best) and it's probably time to upgrade there if at all possible.

[DaneMcCloud]

28 with a degenerative knee?

I wasn't aware of the knee issue. Well, that sucks (for him).

[Buehler445]

We've all seen how the movie ends with Smith at QB and there's no doubt that he's declining.

IMO, the Chiefs should renegotiate Foles contract to something like 3 years, $22 million ($7 million or so per), then do whatever it takes to draft Mahomes, whether it's giving up all of their Comp Picks or a pick next year along with their #1 this year.

After the draft, trade or release Alex Smith. Go into TC with Foles and Mahomes as the #1 & #2, with Bray or someone else competing for the #3 spot.

At this point, after seeing Foles against Indy and Jax, while spending a full year with Reid, Nagy and Childress, I don't know how his performance would differ from another season of Alex Smith.

It's time to fucking move on.

I'm not saying it isn't the best decision, but Foles was garbage on the short throws in those games. Say what you want about smith but he can put it where it needs to be when it needs to be there on the short stuff. Which is perplexing because Fokes throws so nice of deep ball but can't hit the short stuff. Maybe it's timing. Maybe it's rust. Maybe it's correctable technique, but his accuracy on the short stuff was bad.

Which is probably his death knell with Reid.

[Direckshun]

Can somebody explain to me the benefit of keeping Foles and cutting Smith?

I understand bringing in a highly drafted rookie to redshirt, but why Foles?

He's as much a known commodity as Smith is, and simply isn't as good.

[Direckshun]

Also, it perfectly encapsulates the impotent rage of ChiefsPlanet that their most popular ideas of how to improve at QB is to "get rid of Smith," followed by "I have no idea."

[Mr. Laz]

Can somebody explain to me the benefit of keeping Foles and cutting Smith?

I understand bringing in a highly drafted rookie to redshirt, but why Foles?

He's as much a known commodity as Smith is, and simply isn't as good.
Some people think he is just as good as Smith and would be cheaper.

Even if he's as good as Smith, Foles has a $10 million dollar clause in his contract that pretty much forces the Chiefs to renegotiate his deal. Foles won't be cheap next year unless the FA market forces him to be cheap.

Mostly it's just the nuts who think Smith is terrible and want anyone but him.

[Hammock Parties]

Can somebody explain to me the benefit of keeping Foles and cutting Smith?

I understand bringing in a highly drafted rookie to redshirt, but why Foles?

He's as much a known commodity as Smith is, and simply isn't as good.

Nick Foles has started 36 games.

Smith has started 136.

He's not even in the same stratosphere as far as "known commodities" go.

And to be honest, his first 36 games shit all over Smith's first 36 games.

You want to see what you truly have in Foles and save a bunch of money at the QB position before drafting a kid in 2018?

Go with Foles. Fuck it. You have nothing to lose. This team doesn't have a shot at the SB next season, and Foles looked fine in relief duty last year. He had the highest QB rating, highest YPA, highest TD%, lowest INT% on the team.

[RealSNR]

Also, fuck Brad Kaaya. I don't want anything to do with that asshole

[DaneMcCloud]

Also, fuck Brad Kaaya. I don't want anything to do with that asshole

Bye, Felicia

[Hammock Parties]

After his first 36 starts, Alex Smith had a 32-38 TD-INT ratio and a 69 QB rating and a 13-23 record.

He improved to "second only to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers" 100 starts later.

But Nick Foles, who is standing at 56-27/88.1/20-16 in the same categories...can't improve.

Just admit you have an unhealthy obsession with game managers.

[RealSNR]

Bye, Felicia

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x400/72154938.jpg

[DaneMcCloud]

.

It must suck for his mom

[kccrow]

Some people think he is just as good as Smith and would be cheaper.

Even if he's as good as Smith, Foles has a $10 million dollar clause in his contract that pretty much forces the Chiefs to renegotiate his deal. Foles won't be cheap next year unless the FA market forces him to be cheap.

Mostly it's just the nuts who think Smith is terrible and want anyone but him.

Foles still has upside. Foles could play lights out and be a commodity worth hanging onto long-term even if you draft a QB. Reminiscent of the Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers deal a while back. Difference is, if that happens now the team would either franchise/trade (rather than let him walk) or hang onto the guy depending on your confidence in your drafted QB. Alex Smith is what he is and that isn't going to change. If Foles isn't lights out, he's at least going to be able to duplicate what Smith does while your youngster learns. Cut ties with your weakest option. Trading Smith gives the chiefs 1 million less cap relief than cutting Foles, so its hardly a financial issue.

[Titty Meat]

Link to the tantrum I threw?

I pretty much threw my arms up and said, "Whatever. Enjoy your slight upgrade over Matt Cassel, Chiefs."

www.alexsmitharminjury.com

[Titty Meat]

Also, it perfectly encapsulates the impotent rage of ChiefsPlanet that their most popular ideas of how to improve at QB is to "get rid of Smith," followed by "I have no idea."

You ever had a hankering for a nice soda beverage so you go to McDonald's and order a large drink and they fill the whole fucking thing with ice? That's how we feel here at CP with the Chiefs.

[Molitoth]

We've all seen how the movie ends with Smith at QB and there's no doubt that he's declining.

IMO, the Chiefs should renegotiate Foles contract to something like 3 years, $22 million ($7 million or so per), then do whatever it takes to draft Mahomes, whether it's giving up all of their Comp Picks or a pick next year along with their #1 this year.

After the draft, trade or release Alex Smith. Go into TC with Foles and Mahomes as the #1 & #2, with Bray or someone else competing for the #3 spot.

At this point, after seeing Foles against Indy and Jax, while spending a full year with Reid, Nagy and Childress, I don't know how his performance would differ from another season of Alex Smith.

It's time to ****ing move on.

whoa! Welcome! :clap:

[Marcellus]

After his first 36 starts, Alex Smith had a 32-38 TD-INT ratio and a 69 QB rating and a 13-23 record.

He improved to "second only to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers" 100 starts later.

But Nick Foles, who is standing at 56-27/88.1/20-16 in the same categories...can't improve.

Just admit you have an unhealthy obsession with game managers.

If only the entire world existed in a vacuum.

You want to post Matt Flynn's numbers next?

[threebag]

The reality of Alex Smith at QB is better than the constant bitching about it.

The team seems to have done everything they could to produce a winner.

I will gladly take the Dorsey years over the Pioli years. At least we keep getting better.

GO CHIEFS!!!

[Reerun_KC]

We've all seen how the movie ends with Smith at QB and there's no doubt that he's declining.

IMO, the Chiefs should renegotiate Foles contract to something like 3 years, $22 million ($7 million or so per), then do whatever it takes to draft Mahomes, whether it's giving up all of their Comp Picks or a pick next year along with their #1 this year.

After the draft, trade or release Alex Smith. Go into TC with Foles and Mahomes as the #1 & #2, with Bray or someone else competing for the #3 spot.

At this point, after seeing Foles against Indy and Jax, while spending a full year with Reid, Nagy and Childress, I don't know how his performance would differ from another season of Alex Smith.

It's time to ****ing move on.


This is the greatest post in your entire history here at CP... I almost brought me to tears... I wish I could rep this post every second of the every day for the rest of the year...

I officially now love you DaneMcCloud! :hump:

[Molitoth]

This is the greatest post in your entire history here at CP... I almost brought me to tears... I wish I could rep this post every second of the every day for the rest of the year...

I officially now love you DaneMcCloud! :hump:

Smith played the same way he has all season in the Playoffs. I think the homers were waiting for him to "flip the switch", and it didn't happen. Now they are coming into the light.

Alex isn't a terrible QB, but you could pay any Rookie QB to come in and make Low Risk 3 yard passes and bubble screens and end up with a minimal amount of INT's and possibly a good Win % as long as the defense keeps the game in reach (like they have for most of Smith's tenure).

[Mr. Laz]

Foles still has upside. Foles could play lights out and be a commodity worth hanging onto long-term even if you draft a QB. Reminiscent of the Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers deal a while back. Difference is, if that happens now the team would either franchise/trade (rather than let him walk) or hang onto the guy depending on your confidence in your drafted QB. Alex Smith is what he is and that isn't going to change. If Foles isn't lights out, he's at least going to be able to duplicate what Smith does while your youngster learns. Cut ties with your weakest option. Trading Smith gives the chiefs 1 million less cap relief than cutting Foles, so its hardly a financial issue.

Cutting Smith might save 1 million in cap money but it doesn't recoup money already spent to Smith that would have to be spent again for Foles. We will have to give Foles a new contract if we keep him which means a new signing bonus and up-front money. A 5-year deal or some general long term commitment when we've already done that with Alex Smith and our commitment to Smith is almost over. I've yet to see anything from Foles to suggest is a big enough upgrade over Smith to warrant a new long-term commitment.

We don't know that Foles can duplicate what Smith did, he certainly didn't appear to be able to when he started for us a game this year.

Keep Smith for another year, draft a replacement.

We should have been pushing for Alex Smith's replacement as soon as we acquired him.

Sorry, but Reid is content with Smith or we would have been displayed more urgency in drafting a replacement for him.

[Hammock Parties]

If only the entire world existed in a vacuum.

You want to post Matt Flynn's numbers next?

Matt Flynn has 7 career starts. Makes no sense that you would compare him to Foles.

You want move forward at the QB position, save money, and see what you have on the roster so you can make a decision in 2018? Cut Smith, start Foles.

You want to tread water and pay through the nose to do so? Stand pat.

[DaneMcCloud]

Cutting Smith might save 1 million in cap money

If the Chiefs give Alex Smith a Post-June 1 Designation, they save $13,300,000 in Cap Space while creating $3.6 million in Dead Money for a Total Cap Clearance of $9.7 million dollars.

They can easily move on from him.

We will have to give Foles a new contract if we keep him which means a new signing bonus and up-front money.

Foles is under contract for 2017 at $10.75 million. There is absolutely no reason to give him a new signing bonus or upfront money unless they want to extend him while their developmental QB is preparing to start.

[O.city]

A 7th round 2nd year player put up similar stats to Alex Smith this year.

I'm pretty sure they could cut him and get atleast 80 percent of his production from a rookie cheap QB.

[MahiMike]

Garapolo or Mahomes.

Just cause I'd like to say he's ma homeys....

[OnTheWarpath15]

A 7th round 2nd year player put up similar stats to Alex Smith this year.

I'm pretty sure they could cut him and get atleast 80 percent of his production from a rookie cheap QB.

The missing 20%?

Setting up the punter, and Hidden TD's.

[O.city]

The missing 20%?

Setting up the punter, and Hidden TD's.

I guess.

I don't really get why some are against it. It would allow you to put better players around said QB while he develops. Basically, what Seattle did.

[splatbass]

Garapolo

So you want a NE backup that played well while Brady was out a few games? That worked out well for us the last time we did it. :hmmm:

[Reerun_KC]

So you want a NE backup that played well while Brady was out a few games? That worked out well for us the last time we did it. :hmmm:


NE Backup / San Fran Reject... Same as it ever was...

[splatbass]

I guess.

I don't really get why some are against it. It would allow you to put better players around said QB while he develops. Basically, what Seattle did.

Seattle was eliminated before we were this year. You want to make these changes because we lost a playoff game, but you want to emulate a team that just.......lost a playoff game with that formula.

Brilliant!!!!

This is just more of "the grass is always greener", even when it isn't.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I guess.

I don't really get why some are against it. It would allow you to put better players around said QB while he develops. Basically, what Seattle did.

People equate rookie QB's with failure.

Which is fucking ridiculous, but hey, we are talking about the dumbest fanbase in the NFL.

EDIT: See above, Post 228. Exhibit A.

[crayzkirk]

NE Backup / San Fran Reject... Same as it ever was...

We all have seen how well that has worked the last four times the Chiefs tried it.

If Garapolo were something special, would New England be foolish enough to let him go knowing that Brady can and will turn into Manning/Favre within the next few years?

Or is everyone convinced the BB is so smart that he can turn any JAG into a GOAT?

Behind every great QB is a coach ready to take the credit.

[O.city]

Seattle was eliminated before we were this year. You want to make these changes because we lost a playoff game, but you want to emulate a team that just.......lost a playoff game with that formula.

Brilliant!!!!

This is just more of "the grass is always greener", even when it isn't.

Seattle was at their best when they were paying their Qb peanuts, so they could surround him with more talent. During that time, they went to what, 2 straight SB's and 3 straight NFC title games?

Jesus christ. The grass is greener when you can get the same production from a QB youre paying cheaply vs one youre paying alot too.

[kcfanXIII]

If I had this answer, I'd be making a hell of a lot more money...

[O.city]

I'd look to try and trade Smith (unlikely). If thats not happening, keep him and draft a guy to sit under him I guess.

I think with the current weapons we have, plus another year of FA and the draft, a rookie Qb could come in and be successful.

[Titty Meat]

I'd look to try and trade Smith (unlikely). If thats not happening, keep him and draft a guy to sit under him I guess.

I think with the current weapons we have, plus another year of FA and the draft, a rookie Qb could come in and be successful.

Romo and draft a qb.

[O.city]

Romo and draft a qb.

If they're gonna draft a guy early (round 1 or 2) play him immediately. Let him grow with the rest of the young core they've got.

[Titty Meat]

If they're gonna draft a guy early (round 1 or 2) play him immediately. Let him grow with the rest of the young core they've got.

Fuck that this team is ready to win now.

[O.city]

**** that this team is ready to win now.

The team with the best record in the nfc started a rookie qb.

They can win with a rookie qb.

[Discuss Thrower]

Fuck that this team is ready to win now.

Not really.

DJ is probably done for even if he tries to come back from a second achilles pop. The other ILB spot is jag. Houston cannot stay healthy, Hali is done and Ford only shows up against garbage OL talent. Poe is probably walking and the DL is thin once you get past Jones. Berry might walk in FA as well (though I wouldn't put money on it.) Secondary is all right but it's not the back end of the Legion of Boom by any stretch.

Offensively, a Maclin replacement would be warranted in the draft or perhaps a TE that's substantially better than Harris/O'Shaughnessy/Travis in the first 100 picks and there'll probably be an OG taken to insure against Ehinger not coming back / replacing LDT in the future.

2017 might feel a lot like 2014.

[RunKC]

Seattle was eliminated before we were this year. You want to make these changes because we lost a playoff game, but you want to emulate a team that just.......lost a playoff game with that formula.

Brilliant!!!!

This is just more of "the grass is always greener", even when it isn't.

I want to emulate a team that was 8-11 in the playoffs, drafted a QB and have since done the following:


8-4 playoff record
Back-to-back SB appearances
1 SB championship

[Baby Lee]

Fuck that this team is ready to win now.

Wow!! A lot must have happened since they laid a collective turd last Sunday night.

[threebag]

This is Clarks Soup Kitchen

If you don't like what they are serving, move to another shelter

[splatbass]

This is Clarks Soup Kitchen

If you don't like what they are serving, move to another shelter

It's funny, I live in a place with a lot of transplants and work with the military, so I know fans from a LOT of different teams. I wear a Chiefs lanyard at work, so even a lot of the people I don't directly work with will stop me in the hall and talk about football. And working in IT I deal with and know most of the people in the building anyway. A lot of fans of other teams envy us and would love to have our coach, our QB and our FO. I haven't heard a single person say Andy Reid sucks. A lot would love to have him as HC. Most of them think Smith is a good enough, if flawed, QB. Some of them would love to have him on their team, including the 49er fan I work with. Most respect our team a lot. Hell, even the Donk fan I talked to in the hall before the playoff game said he wanted us to win the SB. He literally stopped me to tell me that, I didn't even know the guy so he wasn't just being nice.

Sometimes people don't appreciate what they have.

[Simplicity]

Johnny Manziel

[splatbass]

Johnny Manziel

If you want to party, he's your man. If you want a pro QB not so much.

I assume you were kidding, since there was literally no team this year, including the desperate Browns, that signed him. No one in their right mind would want to replace a QB that is winning a lot of games with a guy that doesn't even care enough about football or making millions of dollars to even try to clean up his act. It isn't like he tried and failed, he never even tried.

[SAUTO]

You ever had a hankering for a nice soda beverage so you go to McDonald's and order a large drink and they fill the whole fucking thing with ice? That's how we feel here at CP with the Chiefs.

No soda at McDonald's is nice

[warpaint*]

just ****ing draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round god dammit. don't wait for the perfect QB draft class, because that doesn't exist. just find a talented guy you like who fits in the system (or who could grow into the system) and ****ing TRY FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!!!!

Absolutely.

I like the NC QB but no one should listen to me I work in insurance WTH would I know about it.

[Coochie liquor]

Keep him for now. Draft a QB and let him learn as a backup in the meantime.

Alex isn't that bad. Ware, Kelce and Albert Wilson don't drop easy catches we win that game. Fisher doesn't hold we also probably win that game. Plenty of blame to go around.

Alex did all he could for us that game, he didn't play bad at all. We've been to the playoffs with him 3 out of 4 years he has been here. No need to make an immediate change at this point.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KansasCityChiefs/comments/5onk7x/my_complete_and_very_indepth_breakdown_of_alex/

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Garapolo or Mahomes.

Just cause I'd like to say he's ma homeys....

Years ago, when the Great QB Prospect Wars were raging, everyone had their guy they liked the most and groups of supporters for a certain prospect would form and we would flame each other 24-7 regarding the reasons that our guy was better than your guy etc.

We have literally come to a point where I could give two fucks less whether or not "my choice" is the prospect that is chosen; just...

fucking...

CHOOSE ONE.

Fuck that this team is ready to win now.

As was clearly demonstrated last week. Aside from the first "blowin' my wad in Quarter One"-series, the Chiefs put on a veritable clinic in shit-assed, useless offense. The Chiefs should have been paying the FANS to sit in the freezing rain and watch that abortion.
The only thing this team needs to "win", is to win big in the draft and hit a home run in the QB prospect department. If Billay has to miss the playoffs next year, and the resulting shame of being there with another plate of Alex Smith's good ol' Lil' Chiefy Shartloaf, then boo fucking-hoo, and poor Billay.
:)

[splatbass]

Y
We have literally come to a point where I could give two ****s less whether or not "my choice" is the prospect that is chosen; just...

****ing...

CHOOSE ONE.





"Just choose one to choose one" is an absolutely moronic way to run a football team. Luckily we have a GM that isn't as stupid as you.

[GloryDayz]

Johnny Manziel

:hmmm: