What would you do if your child or grandchild were being abused?

[Halfcan]

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[MagicHef]

One of those pictures is labeled "bite".

An adult woman bit a child? Is she mentally competent?

[Halfcan]

One of those pictures is labeled "bite".

An adult woman bit a child? Is she mentally competent?

She and her family are on meth. How disturbed do you have to be to bite your own kid so hard that it scars for two weeks? Horrible.

He came back with ringworm again, an infection on his head and a deadly staph infection from being left in his diaper all week. We are worried sick over his safety and don't seem to have many options. He also has a learning disability and they are denying all education, dental care and health care. :shake:

[TimBone]

One of those pictures is labeled "bite".

An adult woman bit a child? Is she mentally competent?
There is a clear bitemark, and it does appear to be bigger than a childs mouth would leave.

I hope its not true, though. That's awful.

[displacedinMN]

Sounds like neglect. IF the kid goes to school, is seen by a officer, they are mandatory reporters of abuse/neglect. Not sure about clergy, they may be too.

Hopefully one will speak up.

[SAUTO]

Shit like this makes my blood boil.

Maybe try the bureau of special health care needs.

It's worth a shot. Especially with a disability. At least you are getting another agency involved.

Kansas or Missouri if you don't mind my asking

[Black Bob]

Call these guys... I'm serious

http://bacaworld.org

[lewdog]

If there is even a halfway competent CPS program there, they should have removed the child from the situation until the investigation is complete with evidence like that.

Wow.

[SAUTO]

Call these guys... I'm serious

http://bacaworld.org

Your best post ever.

[TripleThreat]

She and her family are on meth. How disturbed do you have to be to bite your own kid so hard that it scars for two weeks? Horrible.

He came back with ringworm again, an infection on his head and a deadly staph infection from being left in his diaper all week. We are worried sick over his safety and don't seem to have many options. He also has a learning disability and they are denying all education, dental care and health care. :shake:


just reading this is so sad man. I have a 2 and a half year old baby boy.. and I think of what I would feel and do if this was happening to my son. Just unreal.... Im praying for you and anyone involved and hope this grandson of yours makes it through...

When you guys have custody or visitation of him, is there any way you can bring him to the authority's and let him speak to the cops down at the station? I can guess the cops will have a very very sympathetic ear when the boy speaks to them!

[big nasty kcnut]

Kill them all let god sort it out.

[Halfcan]

Shit like this makes my blood boil.

Maybe try the bureau of special health care needs.

It's worth a shot. Especially with a disability. At least you are getting another agency involved.

Kansas or Missouri if you don't mind my asking

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[Halfcan]

Call these guys... I'm serious

http://bacaworld.org

Thanks so much-I just sent them an email asking for advice. Any help is much appreciated. :clap:

[cabletech94]

this is sickening. as the father of a child with aspergers, i am horrified.
DFS should be able to "smell" 12 cats, whether they are present or not. i've known several of the most laziest people in the world, who happen to work for DFS. pisses me off so much.
there is a special place in hell for the parents. i am so sorry for you. you are doing the right thing. keep preserevering. keep us informed.

[Dante84]

Kill.

[stevieray]

:#

Prayers, my friend.

You're doing the right thing...stay strong.

[Halfcan]

just reading this is so sad man. I have a 2 and a half year old baby boy.. and I think of what I would feel and do if this was happening to my son. Just unreal.... Im praying for you and anyone involved and hope this grandson of yours makes it through...

When you guys have custody or visitation of him, is there any way you can bring him to the authority's and let him speak to the cops down at the station? I can guess the cops will have a very very sympathetic ear when the boy speaks to them!

Child abuse is a crime-but the police do not like to get involved. DFS has to make a report, then it has to go through all the channels, ect, Then nothing gets done.

"well he could of bite himself on the forearm like that." case closed. Isaiah can't even reach that spot. :rolleyes:

It is like they are scared to be sued or something-so do nothing. Every single week he comes back with bruises all over him. He looks like a scratching post for all those feral cats.

[RobBlake]

I know the saying..eye for an eye will make the world go blind and violence isn't always the answer.. but i've lived enough to know.. sometimes you need to take shit into your own hands, I would personally whoop that ass if that was my child..jail time be damned. But BACA sounds perfect.

[Buehler445]

I have no good advice, but I'll pray for resolution.

If it were me, I'd be in jail for first degree murder. I don't advise that.

[lewdog]

It's likely he's being abused even more because of his autism. When communication is hard, it probably angers them more. This is so very sad and I hope you don't give up. You just need someone to believe you and get that poor child out of the situation. Sounds like you are trying your hardest and please keep doing so.

[Randallflagg]

(1) Hire a damned good Attorney and let him document EVERYTHING. (2) Unfortunately, unless it is "provable" Child Abuse (witnessed and testified to by other adults) then the Police will always be hesitant to "get involved".

I had a friend back in the 80s that married his lifelong girlfriend, they had a child and she just sort of went a little nuts. She called the Police on him claiming that he was an abusive Father. A Detective came to their house and examined the child and said "Lady, there are no signs of child abuse whatsoever". He divorced the girl and got sole custody of the child.

These things never end well....I feel for you and hope that it turns out all right. Prayers.

[Easy 6]

Sounds like everything is being done by the book, yet little traction is being gained... that in itself is extremely hard to comprehend

All I would say is that keep going by the book while doing everything possible to help the child legally until SOMEONE in a position of authority gets it through their thick heads

Dont do anything drastic, it will only strengthen the abusers position

[Black Bob]

Thanks so much-I just sent them an email asking for advice. Any help is much appreciated. :clap:

No problem, I hope they can help.

[Fish]

Start making anonymous tips about the drug activity. If that doesn't work, burn down their house during your visitation with the kid.

[Halfcan]

It's likely he's being abused even more because of his autism. When communication is hard, it probably angers them more. This is so very sad and I hope you don't give up. You just need someone to believe you and get that poor child out of the situation. Sounds like you are trying your hardest and please keep doing so.

Thanks so much. We have had some donations so far and I plan on spending whatever it takes on my end.

[Halfcan]

(1) Hire a damned good Attorney and let him document EVERYTHING. (2) Unfortunately, unless it is "provable" Child Abuse (witnessed and testified to by other adults) then the Police will always be hesitant to "get involved".

I had a friend back in the 80s that married his lifelong girlfriend, they had a child and she just sort of went a little nuts. She called the Police on him claiming that he was an abusive Father. A Detective came to their house and examined the child and said "Lady, there are no signs of child abuse whatsoever". He divorced the girl and got sole custody of the child.

These things never end well....I feel for you and hope that it turns out all right. Prayers.

It has already been documented as a child abuse case by Childrens Mercy-signed off by 3 doctors. Sent to DFS and the Police. Nothing was done. We have over a hundred doctors reports now. So trying to get an attorney and get it back into the courts. It really seems the law favors the abuser. :shake:

[SAUTO]

The dad lives in Independence-my son in law and the mother lives in Kearney with her mother, brother (convicted child abuser) and at least a dozen cats in a a two bedroom apartment under section 8.

Isaiah is not a child to them but a commodity-to get section 8 housing, food stamps, and free legal assistance to keep the cycle of abuse going.

DFS does an inspection-they move the cats to a friends until they leave,then bring them back into the house. Isaiah has had ringworm at least a dozen times. When he came back with a staph infection along with other infections this time- I started this page.

I really feel helpless. I have no rights to him and it seems nobody cares.

And his autism is another issue all together-they refuse to get him any educational help at all. It is like they don't want him to be able to talk and tell what is happening to him.
Call the bureau of special health care needs tomorrow, report this to them , beg for an unannounced visit.

How old is the child? If you said I missed it, sorry.

[Halfcan]

Sounds like everything is being done by the book, yet little traction is being gained... that in itself is extremely hard to comprehend

All I would say is that keep going by the book while doing everything possible to help the child legally until SOMEONE in a position of authority gets it through their thick heads

Dont do anything drastic, it will only strengthen the abusers position

Yep, great advice. So far Everything has been documented. Last week-all the evidence was sent to a Gaurdian Enlighten ($1400) supposed to protect Isaiah's rights. We even had the clothes he came back in -soaked in cat urine. She turned it over to the judge. They ruled the Mom will get him 14 straight days to make up for the few extra days the dad had him to get treatment for all the cat scratches and to take him to dental surgery for 8 rotted teeth.

How is that for justice? Think what a staph infection can do to a 3 year old over a 14 day period?? :deevee:

[SAUTO]

And hang in there man, you're doing a good thing here.

[Halfcan]

Call the bureau of special health care needs tomorrow, report this to them , beg for an unannounced visit.

How old is the child? If you said I missed it, sorry.

Awesome-great idea!! I will for sure.

Isaiah just turned 3. He spent his birthday at Truman Medical getting 8 rotton teeth fixed during a long surgery. Then he spent his B-day weekend getting scratched by feral cats and sitting in a dirty diaper until he got a staph infection all over his privates.

Happy B-day Isaiah. :shake:

[SAUTO]

Awesome-great idea!! I will for sure.

Isaiah just turned 3. He spent his birthday at Truman Medical getting 8 rotton teeth fixed during a long surgery. Then he spent his B-day weekend getting scratched by feral cats and sitting in a dirty diaper until he got a staph infection all over his privates.

Happy B-day Isaiah. :shake: our coordinator there retired January first and we haven't met her replacement or I would just give you her number. Sorry.

[Perineum Ripper]

My girlfriend works in a domestic violence shelter and I know she has a lot of friends who work directly with kids in horrible situations..I will talk to her and see if I can get any advice to give you

[stumppy]

Sounds like you are doing everything by the book. Getting documentation, testimony, evidence, and anything else to help get him out of that situation is the way to go.
I would think, eventually, the system will work out in his favor.
If it were my grandchild, waiting on that while the abuse and neglect of this child continues is not something I could do. There are all sorts of things a person can do to make sure an abuser is not in any position at all to have custody of a child. Some legal, some illegal, and some in those kind of grey areas.
From what I've seen over the years a persons ability to care for a child has a lot to do with them getting custody. The court would have a damn hard time awarding custody to someone sitting in jail for drug possession or rec. stolen property, or for well, any number of things. A lot of people would never think of getting there hands dirty by being as dirty as they need to be. For me, when it comes to my grandkids, my hands can get all kinds of dirty as long as they're safe. That dirt is easy to deal with when it results in a happy, healthy, safe grandson.

[Lumpy]

this is sickening. as the father of a child with aspergers, i am horrified.
DFS should be able to "smell" 12 cats, whether they are present or not. i've known several of the most laziest people in the world, who happen to work for DFS. pisses me off so much.
there is a special place in hell for the parents. i am so sorry for you. you are doing the right thing. keep preserevering. keep us informed.

This. Anyone who would harm a child, especially one with autism or a disability, can go straight to hell! I have a child on the spectrum too and the biggest fear I have is that someone will harm him and he isn't able to communicate that to me or his dad. These parents doing that to their own child though and getting away with it has my blood boiling! :#

[FanOfRED]

Kill them all let god sort it out.

This right here x100.

When shit like this happens to kids it makes me want to be a vigilante. To a slightly lesser degree I am dealing with this with my ex. When talking to a lawyer, a bulldog, he said essentially it would take the mother doing drugs, while selling the her ass with the kids present for they system to give the kids to a stable father. I guess it also depends on the state. The system is so fucked up.

[jspchief]

It has already been documented as a child abuse case by Childrens Mercy-signed off by 3 doctors. Sent to DFS and the Police. Nothing was done. We have over a hundred doctors reports now. So trying to get an attorney and get it back into the courts. It really seems the law favors the abuser. :shake:
Call the local news. Facebook. Twitter.

Generate public outrage and DFS might actually get off their asses and do something.

[Easy 6]

Yep, great advice. So far Everything has been documented. Last week-all the evidence was sent to a Gaurdian Enlighten ($1400) supposed to protect Isaiah's rights. We even had the clothes he came back in -soaked in cat urine. She turned it over to the judge. They ruled the Mom will get him 14 straight days to make up for the few extra days the dad had him to get treatment for all the cat scratches and to take him to dental surgery for 8 rotted teeth.

How is that for justice? Think what a staph infection can do to a 3 year old over a 14 day period?? :deevee:

Good Lord, our government fails so many people so often... wish I had hard and fast answers

Just dont stop working these "social workers" and judges over, keep fighting

[Rasputin]

Sounds like neglect. IF the kid goes to school, is seen by a officer, they are mandatory reporters of abuse/neglect. Not sure about clergy, they may be too.

Hopefully one will speak up.

Yes this is a big deal. You could file civil suit against the city for this. That will bring attention they do not want.

[Rasputin]

I was adopted by my Grandparents. Grandparents do have rights but need an attorney.

[Rasputin]

Call these guys... I'm serious

http://bacaworld.org

Absolutely!!!!! Do this!

[Chiefnj2]

http://dss.mo.gov/cd/can.htm

Report it. Tell them you saw the abuse. Try to file a police report and press charges

[Titty Meat]

I'd push their teeth down their fucking throat

[Fat Elvis]

She and her family are on meth. How disturbed do you have to be to bite your own kid so hard that it scars for two weeks? Horrible.

He came back with ringworm again, an infection on his head and a deadly staph infection from being left in his diaper all week. We are worried sick over his safety and don't seem to have many options. He also has a learning disability and they are denying all education, dental care and health care. :shake:

If you can, take them to a doctor, any doctor; all medical personnel are mandated reporters. They will *have* to file an investigation.


I didn't rad the whole thread before posting, but I see that he has autism. If that is the case, you need to your state (assuming Missouri?) Protection and Advocacy agency--they are (much) different from Child and Family Services (or whatever you have in MO) that typically "investigates" abuse, neglect and exploitation. Here is the MO website: http://www.moadvocacy.org/
(http://www.moadvocacy.org/)

Seriously, give them a call and explain what is going on with your grandchild; you must note for them that he has a disability. What's more, they can coordinate with the NE P&A since he spends part of his time there with his mother. P&As are federally funded, and most of them are really pretty good.

It is early in the year, so chances are more in your favor that they will look into the case (they are limited in the number of cases they can take in a year); no guarantees, but if they can't help you, they can point you in the right direction.

[bevischief]

Go talk to the state legal aid. Going thru this myself.

[LOCOChief]

She and her family are on meth. How disturbed do you have to be to bite your own kid so hard that it scars for two weeks? Horrible.

He came back with ringworm again, an infection on his head and a deadly staph infection from being left in his diaper all week. We are worried sick over his safety and don't seem to have many options. He also has a learning disability and they are denying all education, dental care and health care. :shake:

If you live in Mo it's going to be tough. DFS in Mo is the worst and they don't give 2 shits about our kids. Lawyer up and kick their ass.

[BlackHelicopters]

.45 and a shovel

[Prison Bitch]

While there are many who have decided death is the only option, maybe it's good to get the other side of a story first? I had a friend who's wife was running around accusing him of domestic abuse and he kept denying it. Nobody believes the man in those cases of course esp when she showed "injuries" to others.


Then one day we find out she's in a psychiatric hospital for a stay and admits she was self harming. Lesson is, never assume one side tells the whole story

[tooge]

Never been in a situation like this. I know what I'd do, and perhaps it's not the right thing, but I wouldn't let the boy be in the house one second longer. The adults have to leave the house at some time right? A good ski mask, a small bag of rocks, a hammer. you get the point. Not kidding at all. If you wait for the system to "work", they may kill the kid. I'd end it today. I know that's terrible advice, but it's what I'd do.

[Fat Elvis]

Never been in a situation like this. I know what I'd do, and perhaps it's not the right thing, but I wouldn't let the boy be in the house one second longer. The adults have to leave the house at some time right? A good ski mask, a small bag of rocks, a hammer. you get the point. Not kidding at all. If you wait for the system to "work", they may kill the kid. I'd end it today. I know that's terrible advice, but it's what I'd do.

That is kidnapping, and you would never see the kid again.

[Fat Elvis]

While there are many who have decided death is the only option, maybe it's good to get the other side of a story first? I had a friend who's wife was running around accusing him of domestic abuse and he kept denying it. Nobody believes the man in those cases of course esp when she showed "injuries" to others.


Then one day we find out she's in a psychiatric hospital for a stay and admits she was self harming. Lesson is, never assume one side tells the whole story

Of course, because the kid was doing it to himself.:shake:

[Halfcan]

If you can, take them to a doctor, any doctor; all medical personnel are mandated reporters. They will *have* to file an investigation.


I didn't rad the whole thread before posting, but I see that he has autism. If that is the case, you need to your state (assuming Missouri?) Protection and Advocacy agency--they are (much) different from Child and Family Services (or whatever you have in MO) that typically "investigates" abuse, neglect and exploitation. Here is the MO website: http://www.moadvocacy.org/
(http://www.moadvocacy.org/)

Seriously, give them a call and explain what is going on with your grandchild; you must note for them that he has a disability. What's more, they can coordinate with the NE P&A since he spends part of his time there with his mother. P&As are federally funded, and most of them are really pretty good.

It is early in the year, so chances are more in your favor that they will look into the case (they are limited in the number of cases they can take in a year); no guarantees, but if they can't help you, they can point you in the right direction.


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[Prison Bitch]

Never been in a situation like this. I know what I'd do, and perhaps it's not the right thing, but I wouldn't let the boy be in the house one second longer. The adults have to leave the house at some time right? A good ski mask, a small bag of rocks, a hammer. you get the point. Not kidding at all. If you wait for the system to "work", they may kill the kid. I'd end it today. I know that's terrible advice, but it's what I'd do.

That is terrible advice, you're exactly right

[Sorce]

Have you tried reaching out to the news stations? They all have their problem solver type teams. Maybe one of them can do a story on why nothing is being done. Don't know if they would take that on or if anything would happen but with the evidence you have it wouldn't hurt to try.

[burt]

I just P.M.ed you a little info. Hope it helps....

[kepp]

I don't have any experience with this, but you have my prayers. I'd certainly be tempted to do something drastic, but try to keep an even head.

[Rasputin]

I was adopted by my Grandparents. Grandparents do have rights but need an attorney.

I should say I wouldn't be alive today if my and my brother Grandparents didn't rescue us when I was 4 or 5 years old. I still remember the nightmares.


Being locked in a closet for hours

being locked in the trunk of a car and my brother being duct taped because our step dad didn't like us "I'm not touching you" game in the back seat of the car.

Spoon shoved down my throat for not eating my peas

broken arm I remember

My biological mom black and blue. This image is in my head of her.


At age eight got to visit my biological mom at her place on a weekend and she was with a different guy and he had this prosthetic arm with pinchers, picture of what i'm talking about in spoiler
<a href="http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/KCTattoo58/media/network-equipment-image_151003293734_zpstfvbodct.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii574/KCTattoo58/network-equipment-image_151003293734_zpstfvbodct.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo network-equipment-image_151003293734_zpstfvbodct.jpg"/></a>

Those things fucking hurt! I cried ran into the kitchen and grabbed a big ass knife and waited for him to come in the kitchen I was going to stab him if he did but he never came my biological mom came in. I wanted to kill him.
Mom and dad picked us up but I know never saw him again. After that also I didn't see much of my biological mom but we have rekindled a relationship now.


Sorry if I'm a little emotional for this thread. Get the kid out of there Halfcan

[Iowanian]

I don't have any good advise other than do whatever needs done to get that kid out of there and to offer my support. Good luck.