Chiefs Off-season Rumors, Cut Maclin?

[Halfcan]

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[O.city]

The chiefs aren't cutting maclin. Maybe a restructure of his deal, but they aren't cutting him.

[Easy 6]

Well if our QB isnt going to throw to him, then I guess there isnt much sense keeping him around

[chiefzilla1501]

Maybe instead of cutting him, they should find a QB who can get the ball into his hands so he can live up to some of his contract.

[Eleazar]

Restructure or cut him loose, IMO. He's a fine player for us when he's 100%, but that hasn't been very often. He's got too many injuries under his belt at this point.

[Halfcan]

Restructure or cut him loose, IMO. He's a fine player for us when he's 100%, but that hasn't been very often. He's got too many injuries under his belt at this point.

The article fails to mention what kind of cap hit the Chiefs would take -if any?

Where did this rumor come from? He had a down year, but I don't think Maclin was in the dog house or anything with Andy?

:hmmm:

[Halfcan]

The chiefs aren't cutting maclin. Maybe a restructure of his deal, but they aren't cutting him.

It would be a surprise if they did cut him. I wonder what a restructure would look like and how much cap room Dorsey could create?

[tx4chiefs]

Restructure or cut him loose, IMO. He's a fine player for us when he's 100%, but that hasn't been very often. He's got too many injuries under his belt at this point.

Agreed!

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Steelers to sign Sorensen?

Steelerswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/21/steelers-free-agent-target-daniel-sorensen/

The Pittsburgh Steelers enter the 2017 season in serious need of depth at the safety position. Mike Mitchell serves as the veteran presence of the group at free safety, and Sean Davis made impressive strides in his rookie season as he developed into the team’s starting strong safety.

Aside from Mitchell and Davis, the Steelers don’t have much else to fall back on. Shamarko Thomas is unlikely to be re-signed after four lackluster years in Pittsburgh. Robert Golden couldn’t play well enough to keep a starting job that fell into his lap, and Jordan Dangerfield was just re-signed to a one-year deal, but is mainly there to fill a roster spot.

The Steelers have over $30 million in salary cap space to work with when the new league year begins in early March. This isn’t an astronomical amount of money by any means, but is much more than the Steelers are accustom to having during the free agency period. With a few dollars to spend, Pittsburgh has the opportunity to add solid depth to their team.

Big name safeties on the free agent market such as Eric Berry, Barry Church, and Tony Jefferson are likely to receive big contracts from their respective teams, but they are not the type of players the Steelers target in free agency. Athletes such as Daniel Sorensen are the type of depth players the Steelers seek when adding from the free agent market.

Sorensen, who played safety at Brigham Young University, was picked up by the Kansas City Chiefs after he went undrafted in 2014. He was placed on the team’s practice squad until being activated to the 53-man roster halfway through his rookie season. He was largely unproductive in 2014 and 2015, but made great contributions in the Chiefs’ secondary in 2016.

In 16 games last season, Sorensen accumulated 63 tackles (55 of them solo), three interceptions, six passes defended, three fumble recoveries, two forced fumbles, and a sack. In week seven, he returned one of those interceptions 48 yards for the first pick-six of his career in a 27-21 win against Drew Brees and the New Orleans Saints.

Sorensen is to be a restricted free agent in 2017, which complicates matters if the Steelers are to acquire him. Hypothetically, if the Steelers were to tender an offer to Sorensen, the Chiefs have five days to better or match the offer given by Pittsburgh. If they decline to do so, the Steelers come away with a new player.

Normally in this situation, the Chiefs would receive draft compensation if they lost a restricted free agent. Since Sorensen was undrafted, the Steelers would not be required to give up a draft pick. This would make attempting to sign Sorensen easier since they would not be required to give up any sort of compensation.

Adding the safety to the Steelers’ defensive ranks would be a major upgrade to their secondary. At the time being, the Steelers do not have a player on their safety depth chart that could step in and start for a number of games if either of their starters were to become injured. Leaning on Dangerfield or Golden to make multiple starts would continue a disastrous trend that has occurred in Pittsburgh for the past few seasons.

With the cap space and need for talent, the Steelers have a great opportunity to add a number of talented players to their depth chart when the time comes to do so. If they are wise, they would make an investment in Sorensen, a capable cover safety that could aid them tremendously in seasons to come.

[Reerun_KC]

Bye Felicia

[Discuss Thrower]

Can't really oppose the move if it's a wider part of restructuring the roster for the future.

Let Poe walk for the comp pick, try and get Berry under a reasonable deal if not see if a tag + trade is feasible, trade anyone possible beyond that and cut the deadweight. KC won't be in a position to draft a legit QB this season so trading back and getting ammo for the next season should be a priority.

The entire AFC West should be ho-hum (barring Siemien/Lynch turning in to above average QBs and the Denver defense not falling to a level of complete ass) with OAK/KC/DEN all hovering around the 9-7 mark so it's not like a retooling season would result in the Chiefs being a dumpster fire; going 8-8 wouldn't be out of the question adn it's not like they're really missing out by keeping things as is for an 11-5 one and done finish in the playoffs... so why not do it?

[DJ's left nut]

Damn; didn't realize that about Sorenson. It would make sense for some team to steal him away as pretty much every team in the NFL can give him a year 1 salary that we can't touch and the Chiefs would be fools to allocate a significant signing bonus to him.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Romo to Chiefs talk heating up?

http://fansided.com/2017/02/20/nfl-rumors-could-chiefs-texans-be-leaders-for-tony-romo/

Maybe the biggest NFL offseason question is where Tony Romo will land next season — with one insider saying there are two new leaders.

With only six and a half months to go until the 2017 NFL season kicks off, people in the state of Texas and across the country are asking themselves the same thing: where will the Dallas Cowboys send their quarterback of the past, Tony Romo?

After a wonderful season in 2016 from rookie signal caller Dak Prescott, it became a given to most (except for maybe the man in charge, owner Jerry Jones) that Romo was going to be on the way out of Dallas. Now, everyone seems on the same page that Prescott is going to be the man for a while — and Romo is soon to be a former member of the Cowboys.

For a while, many thought he would head to the Denver Broncos … some even said a team like the Miami Dolphins. Now, one of the top NFL insiders — Peter King from TheMMQB.com — thinks it’s going to be one of two AFC playoffs teams from last season: the Kansas City Chiefs or the Houston Texans.

During his latest piece, King explained the pros for each team landing Romo:

The 2017 season will be (Houston coach Bill) O’Brien’s fourth. He’s made the playoffs twice in three seasons, with Brian Hoyer and Brock Osweiler his forgettable quarterbacks, and O’Brien knows this is a vital year for him and for his program. With Romo, O’Brien would have the veteran winner he’s longed for—and a coachable one.
In Kansas City, Andy Reid has seen the ceiling of Alex Smith, and it is nice. Reid has never minded upsetting the apple cart for a potentially special player. Romo would be that. Smith is mature enough to take this, to understand the addition of Romo would be good for the team.

There’s a decent argument that could be made for both teams, as well as maybe a half dozen other squads throughout the NFL. Houston seems to be in much more in need of a decent quarterback — after the $72 million Osweiler experiment blew up in their face — since Smith still has talent.

Where Romo ends up has an effect on other quarterbacks throughout the NFL and those looking to get drafted this year. Whoever doesn’t get Romo likely becomes the leader for New England Patriots backup Jimmy Garoppolo. There are quarterbacks like Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubinsky and others waiting to hear their name called this April. Once again, the whole world is on Tony Romo’s back — which isn’t a good thing after surgery.

[Rausch]

Maclin isn't anywhere close to where the problem is.

Plus, for a playmaker, he's a damned fine run blocker...

[Rausch]

Chiefs Rumor: Romo to Chiefs talk heating up?


If he can't last a season behind the Dallas O line he won't last a week here...

[RunKC]

Damn; didn't realize that about Sorenson. It would make sense for some team to steal him away as pretty much every team in the NFL can give him a year 1 salary that we can't touch and the Chiefs would be fools to allocate a significant signing bonus to him.

I'm okay with losing him. He was the worst S in run defense last year and Eric Murray looks like a nice box safety.

[kcchiefsus]

Maclin was playing like shit even before the injury. He's nothing special.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Poe and Berry contracts.

http://kckingdom.com/2017/02/22/kansas-city-chiefs-making-poe-berry-contracts-work-2017/

General Manager John Dorsey has made it clear that the Kansas City Chiefs believe they can re-sign both Eric Berry and Dontari Poe. We crunched some numbers to see just how that would work out.

One of the biggest issues facing the Kansas City Chiefs in the 2017 offseason is how the team will re-sign key free agents. Specifically, how will the Chiefs get both safety Eric Berry and defensive tackle Dontari Poe back. The issue facing the KC front office is that the team is currently tight against the salary cap. However, after some number crunching, I don’t think that’s a problem.

This is a subject that GM John Dorsey has spoken about recently. In his “end of the season press conference”, Dorsey expressed optimism in working with both Eric Berry and Dontari Poe. He specifically referred to Berry, telling reporters: “We’ve had very positive conversations with his representatives. … Hopefully two sides can come together and mesh this thing out.”

However, optimism aside, there will still be plenty of work to be done. Over The Cap currently puts the Chiefs available salary cap for 2017 at approximately $4.7 million. There is no amount of financial wizardry that will make that amount of money work for both Eric Berry and Dontari Poe. On top of that, you also have to factor in the incoming draft class and other pending free agents who need to be re-signed.

Options Are Available

Fortunately, the Kansas City Chiefs have some options for freeing up more cap space. Specifically, there is the contract of backup quarterback Nick Foles. Rumors have come out that the Chiefs do not intend to pick up the team option on Foles for the 2017 season. That will open up a projected $6.75 million in cap space. If that is true, the Chiefs are suddenly in business.

Another option for the Chiefs is to address the contract of running back Jamaal Charles. Charles is currently slated to make $6.1 million in 2017, which is a number KC can’t afford to pay him. I’ve talked about this situation before, and came up with a solution that would lower his cap hit to $2.8 million in 2017. That opens an additional $3.3 million in cap space to work with.

If the Kansas City Chiefs are able to work both the Nick Foles and Jamaal Charles situations as I have laid out, that would give the team $14.75 million in salary cap room to work with. Now we can get down to business.

[notorious]

A 3rd and a 6th pick for 1 1/2 years of production......


No way they cut him.

[In58men]

Overpaid injury prone piece of shit. Kick rocks.

[Hammock Parties]

No way. Dorsey and Reid will go all in this offseason to win the SB.

There will be absolutely zero eyes towards the future.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Chiefs to cut Foles?

This has been talked about a lot on here, but this story has a little different spin to it.

http://kckingdom.com/2017/02/16/kansas-city-chiefs-releasing-nick-foles-opens-door-draft-pick/

The Kansas City Chiefs are expected to decline the option of retaining quarterback Nick Foles. That opens the door for the team to draft a quarterback early.

It has been expected for a while now that the Kansas City Chiefs would decline the contract option on backup quarterback Nick Foles. The journeyman backup was simply an expense the team could not afford given other pending contracts. However, the release of Foles brings an added benefit as there will now be a clear opening for a quarterback to be added in the upcoming draft.

The quarterback position as a whole has been a huge topic of discussion all offseason. Many fans are clamoring for a change at the position. Of course, when presented with the alternative options, it quickly becomes clear that Alex Smith isn’t going anywhere. That’s why this decision to move on from Foles is so important.

Chiefs fans should expect the team to make an early effort in the draft to grab a quarterback. It should also be assumed that the team has someone in mind. Though the cap relief in releasing Foles is important, KC did have other options. That means they have made at least some kind of decision regarding the future at quarterback.

There are no shortage of possible options. Already there have been many articles posted that tie various college quarterbacks to Kansas City. Of course, realistically, we are no closer to knowing who that player might be.

I have been of the opinion for a while now that the Kansas City Chiefs would stick with Alex Smith until a quality future option presented itself. The Chiefs were rumored to have been interested in Paxton Lynch last year. Of course, the Broncos ruined that, and may actually be paying for it. However, that rumor, along with the recent report on Foles, lends some credibility to the idea that the team is looking for their quarterback of the future.

NEXT: Chiefs Quarterback Dilemma: Alex Smith Vs Kirk Cousins
I won’t venture a guess on who it is that the Kansas City Chiefs like right now. More than likely, they have a few names circled. It will be interesting to see what John Dorsey is willing to do to get that quarterback. If it is one of the top names in the draft, they will likely have to trade up. It could also be that the Chiefs like a quarterback that nobody is even considering yet.

[Rausch]

There will be absolutely zero eyes towards the future.

I'm sure of that...

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Cut Alex..Sign Cousins?

http://kckingdom.com/2017/02/15/kansas-city-chiefs-quarterback-dilemma-alex-smith-vs-kirk-cousins/

Another season, another time to speculate as to what the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback situation will be in 2017. How does Alex Smith look against some of the available free agents? Here’s a breakdown of Smith and Kirk Cousins.

Looking at the Chiefs’ early exit from the playoffs, it wouldn’t be too crazy of a theory to say that the Kansas City Chiefs would have advanced further in the playoffs with a better quarterback.


That doesn’t mean the loss was all Alex Smith‘s fault though. Smith really didn’t play terribly at all, but he also didn’t play terrific football either.

The fallout from this last postseason is very real and everyone is now debating about who the next quarterback will be for the KC Chiefs.

Alex Smith is a topic of conversation in Kansas City and has been since arriving to town in 2013. There is no doubt that the Chiefs could do much worse at quarterback, even if some fans don’t want to admit it.

There’s also the side of that fans know the team could do much better at the most important position in the sport. That’s the whole crux of this. Alex Smith is about as middle of the road as it gets at quarterback.

This offseason presents a lot of free agent quarterbacks that the Chiefs could take a gamble on. I’m going to go through this one option at a time and we’ll see if we can find that better option. Today we’re going to put Smith up against Kirk Cousins of the Washington Redskins. So let’s see how they compare…

Kansas City Chiefs Quarterback Options

Alex Smith – Kansas City Chiefs

As the reigning starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs, it’s only right that we give Alex Smith the first look. Smith has been with the Chiefs since 2013 when Andy Reid and John Dorsey traded a pair of second round picks to the 49ers for him.

Alex Smith’s career with the Chiefs has led the team to nothing but winning seasons. KC has been no worse than 9-7 with Smith as the quarterback, and only went that low once. The team has made the postseason in three of the four years, and Smith has also earned a pair of Pro Bowl appearances. As a passer he makes very few mistakes and doesn’t turn the ball over, which helps KC win the field position battle consistently.

“WE ALL FELT LIKE WE HAD AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY AND WE DIDN’T GET IT DONE. SO EVEN MORE SO, LET’S PRESS ON THE GAS AND LET’S GO.” ~ ALEX SMITH ON FRUSTRATING 2016 AND MOVING FORWARD.
From the negatives persepctive, Alex Smith doesn’t take a lot of chances. In essence, what makes him a good quarterback is also what prevents him from being a great one. Smith rarely takes shots down the field, though this past season did show an added effort there. That’s a tough pill for Chiefs fans to swallow when we come up short. It’s easy to want to see more of a gunslinger mentality from Smith, but we don’t know how that would effect his ability to protect the ball.

For his own part, Alex Smith understands the frustration. He’s talked about it before, and most recently alluded to it in an interview with the Kansas City Star. Smith told Terez Paylor: “We all felt like we had an awesome opportunity and we didn’t get it done. So even more so, let’s press on the gas and let’s go.”

The Numbers

2013: 308/508 (60.6%) 3,313 yds; 23 TDs; 7 INTs; 76 carries 431 yds; 1 TD

2014: 303/464 (65.3%) 3,265 yds; 18 TDs; 6 INTs; 49 carries 259 yds; 1 TD

2015: 307/470 (65.3%) 3,486 yds; 20 TDs; 7 INTs; 84 carries 498 yds; 2 TD

2016: 328/429 (67.1%) 3,502 yds; 15 TDs; 8 INTs; 48 carries 134 yds; 5 TD

Things could certainly be worse for the Kansas City Chiefs. Smith doesn’t put up huge numbers, but he doesn’t give the ball to the defense. There’s a lot to be said about that. From a financial point of view, his price tag isn’t outrageous for a quarterback. It will be tough for someone else to come in and be a clear improvement on Smith for the Chiefs.

Kirk Cousins – Washington Redskins

If the Kansas City Chiefs are truly intent on upgrading at quarterback, it’s hard to argue there is a better option than Kirk Cousins. The Redskins drafted Cousins to be the backup to Robert Griffin III, but things worked out much differently. Cousins has started the past two seasons and it primed for a big time contract either from Washington or on the free agent market.

Since getting the chance to start, Kirk Cousins has had some up and down moments, but looks the part of a franchise quarterback. He’s got a solid arm and reads the field well. Cousins moves well in the pocket and can pick up yards with his legs in a pinch. He seems to have all the tools to succeed in the NFL.

However, there are moments when you wonder exactly what it is you are watching with Kirk Cousins on the field. There are some head scratching performances that give you a moment’s pause. Cousins can also tend to disappear a bit in big time games. All of these things are what keeps people from declaring him a top option at quarterback.

Kirk Cousins is saying all the right things about staying in Washington. However, the Redskins have painted themselves into a corner on this and it’s hard to know how it will turn out. Washington should give Cousins a new contract, but it’s fully possible they won’t. With the team already using the Franchise tag on him in 2016, it seems like an unlikely scenario to do it again.

The Numbers

2013: 81/155 (52.3%) 155 yds; 4 TDs; 7 INTs; 4 carries 14 yds; 0 TD

2014: 126/204 (61.8%) 1,710 yds; 10 TDs; 9 INTs; 7 carries 20 yds; 0 TD

2015: 379/543 (69.8%) 4,166 yds; 29 TDs; 11 INTs; 26 carries 48 yds; 5 TD

2016: 406/606 (67%) 4,917 yds; 25 TDs; 12 INTs; 34 carries 96 yds; 4 TD

The Contract
2012
$390,000
$118,172 $0 $0 $0 $508,172
2013
$480,000
$118,172 $0 $0 $0 $598,172
2014
$570,000
$118,172 $0 $0 $0 $688,172
2015
$660,000
$118,172 $0 $0 $0 $778,172
2016
$19,953,000
$19,953,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $19,953,000

If you’re buying the services of Kirk Cousins, you had better believe in his ability to lead the team. There is no doubt that Cousins will get a big quarterback contract from whomever he plays for in 2016. So if the Kansas City Chiefs are going to invest that kind of money, they had better be sure.

The Winner – Kirk Cousins

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Yes, it would cost the Kansas City Chiefs quit a bit to sign Kirk Cousins. Yes, it is unclear just how good he really is. However, I have liked what I’ve seen from the former 4th-round pick, and I’m buying into him as an NFL franchise quarterback. So if the Chiefs are serious about upgrading the quarterback position, I am on board with Cousins being that option.

Kirk Cousins has shown a lot in his young NFL career. Pairing him up with a coach with Andy Reid’s reputation for developing quarterbacks, and this could be a very dangerous offense. The only real trick here is the financials of the deal. If you’re bringing in Cousins, then both Alex Smith and Nick Foles have got to go. Even then, it would be tough for the Chiefs to work with some other key free agents.

We want to hear from you #ChiefsKingdom! Who is the better option at QB for the #Chiefs?
12:17 PM - 12 Feb 2017
45%Alex Smith
55%Kirk Cousins

Unfortunately, Kirk Cousins is probably the least readily available option for the Chiefs this offseason. While the two sides don’t seem to be making any headway, I really do not see a scenario where the Redskins let Cousins walk. It just wouldn’t make any sense. Especially with what is viewed by most to be a weak quarterback class.

[notorious]

I was hoping for Cousins, but there is no way the Foreskins are stupid enough to let him go.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Garoppola to the Chiefs?

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/02/22/jimmy-garoppolo-makes-no-sense-chiefs-patriots-alex-smith/

The Kansas City Chiefs might be in the market for a new starting quarterback at some point in the very near future, but Jimmy Garoppolo makes absolutely no sense for KC.

It’s the NFL offseason, so rumors are supposed to be flying this time of year. The Kansas City Chiefs are rumored to be considering changes at the starting quarterback position, which makes them ripe to be connected with anyone and everyone. However, one idea floating about the possibility of trading for Jimmy Garoppolo is among the ones that make the least amount of sense.


Garoppolo has certainly looked the part as a potential starting quarterback in limited duty filling in for Tom Brady the last few seasons. Since Bill Belichick made Garoppolo a second round pick in 2014, Garoppolo has thrown only 94 total passes (that’s two weeks work for Drew Brees, by comparison), but Garoppolo went 2-0 when starting while Brady was suspended in 2016, completing 68% of his passes and throwing 4 touchdowns and avoiding any interceptions. It was good for a 113.3 passer rating and plenty of buzz about his starting potential.

Garoppolo basically has it all going for him at this point. Let’s consider the following:

1. One third of NFL franchises seem to be desperate for a long-term answer at quarterback, the game’s most important position.
2. Teams are paying through the nose to find those answers (a la Brock Osweiler’s mega-contract from the Houston Texans).
3. There’s an ongoing mystique around Bill Belichick’s players and staff that make them seem better than they are (a la every former Pats player and coach who leaves).
4. The limited sample size looks great
5. He’s studied under both the best quarterback and coach in NFL history.
6. He’s ready to start from Week 1 versus a rookie who might need time.

In short, there’s a lot to like about Garoppolo for any team in need of a starter. And that’s where this all begins to fall apart when viewed from the Chiefs perspective. The cost is going to be far too considerable both in trade value and in contract terms for the Chiefs to take the bait.

[In58men]

If Grapopoloppo was the real deal, they would keep him right where he's at. I fucking hate trading for QBs that rarely did anything. Everybody should have learned from Houstons mistake.

[Hammock Parties]

Chiefs Rumor: Garoppola to the Chiefs?

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/02/22/jimmy-garoppolo-makes-no-sense-chiefs-patriots-alex-smith/

The Kansas City Chiefs might be in the market for a new starting quarterback at some point in the very near future, but Jimmy Garoppolo makes absolutely no sense for KC.

It’s the NFL offseason, so rumors are supposed to be flying this time of year. The Kansas City Chiefs are rumored to be considering changes at the starting quarterback position, which makes them ripe to be connected with anyone and everyone. However, one idea floating about the possibility of trading for Jimmy Garoppolo is among the ones that make the least amount of sense.


Garoppolo has certainly looked the part as a potential starting quarterback in limited duty filling in for Tom Brady the last few seasons. Since Bill Belichick made Garoppolo a second round pick in 2014, Garoppolo has thrown only 94 total passes (that’s two weeks work for Drew Brees, by comparison), but Garoppolo went 2-0 when starting while Brady was suspended in 2016, completing 68% of his passes and throwing 4 touchdowns and avoiding any interceptions. It was good for a 113.3 passer rating and plenty of buzz about his starting potential.

Garoppolo basically has it all going for him at this point. Let’s consider the following:

1. One third of NFL franchises seem to be desperate for a long-term answer at quarterback, the game’s most important position.
2. Teams are paying through the nose to find those answers (a la Brock Osweiler’s mega-contract from the Houston Texans).
3. There’s an ongoing mystique around Bill Belichick’s players and staff that make them seem better than they are (a la every former Pats player and coach who leaves).
4. The limited sample size looks great
5. He’s studied under both the best quarterback and coach in NFL history.
6. He’s ready to start from Week 1 versus a rookie who might need time.

In short, there’s a lot to like about Garoppolo for any team in need of a starter. And that’s where this all begins to fall apart when viewed from the Chiefs perspective. The cost is going to be far too considerable both in trade value and in contract terms for the Chiefs to take the bait.

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[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Cut or Restructure Jamaal Charles?

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/02/22/locked-on-chiefs-jamaal-charles/

The Jamaal Charles situation with the Kansas City Chiefs illustrates difficult a lasting relationship between player and franchise can be in the modern NFL.

The contract Charles is currently under presents problem for John Dorsey and the Chiefs’ leadership. He signed that contract in 2014. It was a deal made by a player showing loyalty to the franchise and a franchise rewarding the player for excellent performance. Three seasons later in which the bulk of two seasons we lost to injury, the contract sits at an untenable position. In 2017, Charles is due to make significant a salary of $3.75 million as well as roster bonuses of $3 million and a workout bonus of $250k. Charles carries a cap number of $6.19 million dollars into the 2017 league year.

The bigger worry is Charles’ physical condition. Very little has been reported on his progress in recovery from the meniscus repairs he had following his short-lived return from an ACL repair. In light of these injuries, the contract may be a moot point if Charles is not able to return to the field. If he’s unable to participate in offseason activities, the decision may make itself.

[Halfcan]

http://i.imgur.com/sa0Q3Q7.png

I don't think the Garoppola rumor is getting much traction at all.

It is strange that Andy comes out and says "Alex is our Guy for 2017." Yet all these QB rumors are swirling around the Chiefs? :hmmm:

[Easy 6]

Lots of places throwing lots of shit at the wall today

[Rausch]

It is strange that Andy comes out and says "Alex is our Guy for 2017." Yet all these QB rumors are swirling around the Chiefs? :hmmm:

EVERYONE knows all KC needs is a QB.

KC seems happy with mediocre QB.

Rumors will swirl...

[In58men]

Lots of places throwing lots of shit at the wall today

NFL has always been desperate for attention.

[Mr. Laz]

Well if our QB isnt going to throw to him, then I guess there isnt much sense keeping him around
Can we please go one fucking thread without this shit starting?


Why in the fuck bother posting at all if you are going to just start the same ol' shit?

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Top 5 Free Agency targets?

http://fansided.com/2017/02/20/kansas-city-chiefs-free-agent-rumors-offseason-needs-2017/

The Kansas City Chiefs head into the 2017 NFL season fresh off an AFC West title. Here are five free agents they should target.

The Kansas City Chiefs took home the AFC West title in 2016, only to find themselves beaten in the Divisional Round by the Pittsburgh Steelers as the No. 2 seed in the AFC. There are plenty of question marks heading into next season, especially whether or not Alex Smith will ever be able tow in them the big game as their quarterback. The Chiefs have a ton of talent on both sides of the ball, and a good offseason could land them right back atop the AFC West.

Kansas City plays in a very tough division, and teams like the Oakland Raiders and Denver Broncos are not far behind them. Head coach Andy Reid has some big decisions to make about his roster heading into next season, with the biggest being locking up star safety Eric Berry. If Kansas City wants to repeat in the AFC West, they need to be smart this free agency period.

Here are five possible free agent targets for the Kansas City Chiefs.


5MALCOLM SMITHLB, Oakland Raiders
For years, Derrick Johnson has been one of the best linebackers in football. Not only is he an incredible linebacker, but his leadership on the field for the Chiefs cannot be understated. However, he is starting to get up there in age, and the time may be coming for the Chiefs to start thinking about the future of the position. The success of the Chiefs really hinges on the play of their defense, so addressing all weaknesses will be a priority this offseason.

Johnson is 34-years old, and he has dealt with a torn achilles in two of the last three years. While he is most certainly going to play a big role in the Chiefs plans in 2017, he is going to need some help. Ramik Wilson is a solid player, who played in Johnson’s absence in 2016, but it would be unfair to compare him to Johnson. Kansas City needs to bring in a veteran to help out in 2017, and they may only have to look within their division to do so.

Malcolm Smith was the Super Bowl MVP for the Seattle Seahawks a couple of years back, and went to the Oakland Raiders to join defensive coordinator Ken Norton Jr. For the Raiders, Smith has proven to be a leader for the young roster on the field, and off of it, and his production has been just what the Raiders were hoping for. Re-signing him is going to be a priority for the Oakland Raiders, but the Chiefs may be able to wrestle him away from their division rival.

ROBERT WOODSWR, Buffalo Bills
While the big question heading into the offseason is whether or not Alex Smith will ever win a big game for the Kansas City Chiefs, the team needs to focus on the talent around him. Smith is never going to be a guy who is going to consistently put up 250-plus passing yards, but he does have the ability to distribute the ball well. Last season, star wide receiver Jeremy Maclin played like anything but, though a certain rookie really stepped up in his place.

Tyreek Hill made the Pro Bowl for the Chiefs this past season, as he was one of the more electric players in the NFL. While it remains to be seen whether or not he has an encore in him next season, the Chiefs need to bring in another wideout to add to the receiving corps. Robert Woods from the Buffalo Bills is a very good wide receiver, and he may be looking to sign elsewhere with the question marks in Buffalo about who is going to play quarterback.

There is no way of knowing what next season brings for either Maclin, or Hill, but the Chiefs cannot afford to take a step back. The Oakland Raiders were right on their heels last season, so the need to bring in some more weapons on offense has to be a concern for the Chiefs. Woods is the kind of player who is going to produce every week, and in an offense that likes to distribute the ball, he should have plenty of options to shine inside Arrowhead Stadium next season.

DONTARI POENT, Kansas City Chiefs
Bring him back? The Chiefs have a serious decision to make on Dontari Poe, who plays such a big role in their defense. Not only is he great at pushing the line back, but he is the kind of run stopper who can make an offense change their gameplan. He may be too much money for the team to bring back, and they do have some talented players behind him on the depth chart.

When it comes to the Chiefs free agents, Poe and Eric Berry are the obvious top two names, and they are both huge reasons why the Chiefs won the AFC West in 2016. Poe is an intimidating force in the middle of the Chiefs defense, and he would be hard to replace if the team cannot get a deal done. The Chiefs are only going to be as good as their defense allows them to be next season, and the unit is good enough to get them back to the playoffs.

Most people believe that Poe is the best 3-4 defensive lineman in this draft, and he is going to garner some big contract offers. Kansas City may want to place the franchise tag on him, but then they would be committing a chunk of their salary cap to him next season. The deal has to make sense, and if the Chiefs do decide to let him walk, they have a capable replacement in Jaye Howard to take over the spot left vacant by the departure of Poe.

A.J. BOUYECB, Houston Texans
Marcus Peters is one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL, and some may argue that he could be the latest edition of Darrelle Revis. He is a shutdown corner, and teams just do not try to throw his way on Sundays. The impact that he has on the game cannot be understated, and he is a main reason why the team won the AFC West this past season.

While the Chiefs do boast one of the best in the game at corner, the fact is he needs some help. They just do not have the depth needed to stop really good passing teams, so bringing in a guy like A.J. Bouye of the Houston Texans makes perfect sense. Bouye really emerged late last season during the Texans run to the Divisional Round, and some team is going to throw him a bunch of money to be their top corner in 2017.

The best part about Bouye is that he can pretty much do it all from the cornerback position. He has great coverage skills, and his ability to come up and make a big hit really separates him from a lot of the cornerbacks in this league. I think he is really just starting to scratch the surface of his potential, and signing with the Chiefs to play with Peters would be a great decision for him this early in his career.

ERIC BERRYS, Kansas City Chiefs
This is a no-brainer here, as Eric Berry has been the heart and soul of this team for some time now. Berry played last season under the franchise tag, but there is no way he is about to do that again. The Pro Bowl safety wants a long-term commitment from the Chiefs, and there is a serious chance that his playing days with the team may be over.

While there is a chance that is the case, the truth of the matter is that the Chiefs have to make this deal happen. The Chiefs have an incredible thing going right now, and coming off an AFC West title, they have to be thinking they can make it all the way to the Super Bowl next season. Their Divisional Round loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers at home has to be eating them up inside, and Berry, as a leader of this team, must be chomping to get back out there.

The money has to make sense, and the Chiefs are going to have to clear some cap space to make the deal happen. Do they dare approach him with the franchise tag again? That is unlikely, as Berry has already made it known that he is not going to be on a one-year deal again. He is too valuable to this franchise to let him walk, and even if they have to cut some key players, they are going to get this one done.

[Discuss Thrower]

I don't think the Garoppola rumor is getting much traction at all.

It is strange that Andy comes out and says "Alex is our Guy for 2017." Yet all these QB rumors are swirling around the Chiefs? :hmmm:

It's the dead period for the NFL and the sports media outlets need to generate ad revenue somehow.


So therefore cue the bullshit speculation.

[Mr. Laz]

Maclin has a shitty year but he still showed flashes of his old self.


No reason to cut him now.

[Red Dawg]

Why not cut Maclin? With Smith at QB he's useless.

[Easy 6]

Can we please go one ****ing thread without this shit starting?


Why in the **** bother posting at all if you are going to just start the same ol' shit?

Its a legit observation, one I've held for a long time now and one pretty much everyone has known about for a long time now... Smith underutilizes his receivers

[Prison Bitch]

Maclin isn't anywhere close to where the problem is.

Plus, for a playmaker, he's a damned fine run blocker...

He's a waste of $$$ who never even plays

[Red Dawg]

If he's a June 1 cut his dead cap is only 2.5. Save 10 mil so I hope he's gone unless we actually have Smith gone. That would take a miracle.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

I'm okay with losing him. He was the worst S in run defense last year and Eric Murray looks like a nice box safety.

Holy hell you are dumb. He substitutes in for the nickle package of course he isn't good against the run :facepalm:

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Can we please go one ****ing thread without this shit starting?


Why in the **** bother posting at all if you are going to just start the same ol' shit?

Admins don't care to identity it as trolling or thread derailing.

[Easy 6]

Admins don't care to identity it as trolling or thread derailing.

Smiff is a perfectly valid point of discussion when talking about Maclins productivity, or lack thereof

[RunKC]

Holy hell you are dumb. He substitutes in for the nickle package of course he isn't good against the run :facepalm:

Wow I didn't think Tiger could make it more clear that he doesn't know anything about the Chiefs but just when you question it, posts like this confirm it.

[BlackHelicopters]

Maclin. Cut his ass.

[Coogs]

Chiefs Rumor: Romo to Chiefs talk heating up?

http://fansided.com/2017/02/20/nfl-rumors-could-chiefs-texans-be-leaders-for-tony-romo/

Maybe the biggest NFL offseason question is where Tony Romo will land next season — with one insider saying there are two new leaders.

With only six and a half months to go until the 2017 NFL season kicks off, people in the state of Texas and across the country are asking themselves the same thing: where will the Dallas Cowboys send their quarterback of the past, Tony Romo?

After a wonderful season in 2016 from rookie signal caller Dak Prescott, it became a given to most (except for maybe the man in charge, owner Jerry Jones) that Romo was going to be on the way out of Dallas. Now, everyone seems on the same page that Prescott is going to be the man for a while — and Romo is soon to be a former member of the Cowboys.

For a while, many thought he would head to the Denver Broncos … some even said a team like the Miami Dolphins. Now, one of the top NFL insiders — Peter King from TheMMQB.com — thinks it’s going to be one of two AFC playoffs teams from last season: the Kansas City Chiefs or the Houston Texans.

During his latest piece, King explained the pros for each team landing Romo:

The 2017 season will be (Houston coach Bill) O’Brien’s fourth. He’s made the playoffs twice in three seasons, with Brian Hoyer and Brock Osweiler his forgettable quarterbacks, and O’Brien knows this is a vital year for him and for his program. With Romo, O’Brien would have the veteran winner he’s longed for—and a coachable one.
In Kansas City, Andy Reid has seen the ceiling of Alex Smith, and it is nice. Reid has never minded upsetting the apple cart for a potentially special player. Romo would be that. Smith is mature enough to take this, to understand the addition of Romo would be good for the team.

There’s a decent argument that could be made for both teams, as well as maybe a half dozen other squads throughout the NFL. Houston seems to be in much more in need of a decent quarterback — after the $72 million Osweiler experiment blew up in their face — since Smith still has talent.

Where Romo ends up has an effect on other quarterbacks throughout the NFL and those looking to get drafted this year. Whoever doesn’t get Romo likely becomes the leader for New England Patriots backup Jimmy Garoppolo. There are quarterbacks like Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubinsky and others waiting to hear their name called this April. Once again, the whole world is on Tony Romo’s back — which isn’t a good thing after surgery.

This one says whoever (between Texans and us) doesn't get Romo becomes the leader for Garoppolo.

While not a huge fan of this, we did bring Garoppolo in for a visit back in 2014. We didn't have a 2nd round pick that year because of the Smith deal with the 49ers. He was gone by our 3rd round pick.

Not sure if Chiefs had any interest in Garoppolo beyond that visit, but he could be in play... like it or not.

[raybec 4]

This one says whoever (between Texans and us) doesn't get Romo becomes the leader for Garoppolo.

While not a huge fan of this, we did bring Garoppolo in for a visit back in 2014. We didn't have a 2nd round pick that year because of the Smith deal with the 49ers. He was gone by our 3rd round pick.

Not sure if Chiefs had any interest in Garoppolo beyond that visit, but he could be in play... like it or not.

I just hope they draft and develop one of the top qb's this year or next. Even if they pick up Romo, Jimmy G or stick with some combo of Alex/Foles

[Mr. Laz]

Its a legit observation, one I've held for a long time now and one pretty much everyone has known about for a long time now... Smith underutilizes his receivers

I understand, but it's been beaten into the ground in a dozen threads just in the last 6 months. What could you possibly learn about the subject now?

At this point, it's just bitching.

[Mr. Laz]

Smiff is a perfectly valid point of discussion when talking about Maclins productivity, or lack thereof

:doh!:

[Marcellus]

May have well named this thread "A bunch of bullshit that likely wont happen".

And the guy who set the franchise season record for receptions by a WR in 2015 now just simply sucks? Dwayne Bowe 2.0 I guess?

Interesting.

SMDH

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

3rd and long situation, Sorensen substitutes in to protect against the pass. CP village idiot comments he sucks against the run. Tell me what is wrong with this picture.

[Titty Meat]

For as much shit Smith gets for his play against the Steelers Maclin deserves some too. There was a play in the game he turned the wrong way on a deep ball had he turned the right way it's a big completion and a score. They'll need to do something with his contract it's a shame the cap situation has got this team in.

[RunKC]

3rd and long situation, Sorensen substitutes in to protect against the pass. CP village idiot comments he sucks against the run. Tell me what is wrong with this picture.

The Chiefs play nickel more than just 3rd down and teams audible to run the ball.

I'd say that's the problem, but for you it's just the tip of the iceberg.

[dls6501]

For as much shit Smith gets for his play against the Steelers Maclin deserves some too. There was a play in the game he turned the wrong way on a deep ball had he turned the right way it's a big completion and a score. They'll need to do something with his contract it's a shame the cap situation has got this team in.

Do you have proof of this? Because I saw it, as well as the broadcasters and analysts after the game, as an errant pass that would have been a touchdown if thrown within a few yards of the correct spot.

[beach tribe]

Holy hell you are dumb. He substitutes in for the nickle package of course he isn't good against the run :facepalm:

You really are a ****ing idiot.

You think teams don't run the ball when we are in nickle?

We line up in sub packages 60% of the time, our run defense sucked and he is the worst tackling S in all of football.

Of course you are too ****ing stupid to see any correlation.

"Of course he's bad against the run"

FFS what is wrong with you brain?

[beach tribe]

The Chiefs play nickel more than just 3rd down and teams audible to run the ball.

I'd say that's the problem, but for you it's just the tip of the iceberg.

The guy is so insufferably fucking stupid it makes my head hurt.

[New World Order]

No way. Dorsey and Reid will go all in this offseason to win the SB.

There will be absolutely zero eyes towards the future.


What does this mean exactly?

When healthy, the Chiefs are pretty good everywhere. I can't really see where they can make a big move unless it's the quarterback position.

[beach tribe]

Do you have proof of this? Because I saw it, as well as the broadcasters and analysts after the game, as an errant pass that would have been a touchdown if thrown within a few yards of the correct spot.

Shitty pass.

[Hammock Parties]

What does this mean exactly?

When healthy, the Chiefs are pretty good everywhere. I can't really see where they can make a big move unless it's the quarterback position.

I'm saying anyone who has been deemed even an above average talent currently on the roster isn't going anywhere, unless it's someone like Charles who isn't needed anymore.

I bet they find a way to keep Poe, too. And they will blow every penny in FA.

Full Carl this offseason.

[Hoover]

Actually if we are going to cut Maclin, the time to do it is after June 1st.

Really sucks for him, but we can save 10 million in cap space and only have to eat 2.4 million. The numbers actually go up in the following years making him more difficult to cut.

I think a restructure is the most likley outcome, but I wouldn't be suprised if we just cut bait. However, then WR becomes a priority in the draft.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Woods would be an upgrade over conley.

[BoneKrusher]

But
Maclin isn't the problem.

[RunKC]

I'm saying anyone who has been deemed even an above average talent currently on the roster isn't going anywhere, unless it's someone like Charles who isn't needed anymore.

I bet they find a way to keep Poe, too. And they will blow every penny in FA.

Full Carl this offseason.

This isn't a problem when you're drafting Travis Kelce's, Tyreek Hill's, Dee Ford's and Chris Jones every year.

[Rooster]

But
Maclin isn't the problem.

He keeps running routes deeper than 10 yards. That's not acceptable or needed with the Chiefs. :)

[scho63]

Maclin didn't have the best of seasons this year and not sure why.

[Reerun_KC]

Actually if we are going to cut Maclin, the time to do it is after June 1st.

Really sucks for him, but we can save 10 million in cap space and only have to eat 2.4 million. The numbers actually go up in the following years making him more difficult to cut.

I think a restructure is the most likley outcome, but I wouldn't be suprised if we just cut bait. However, QB becomes a priority in the draft.

I agree 100% without one, it makes your WRs completely worthless.... So drafting a WR in the draft without a QB is like buying a car without tires...

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Leave it to these two morons to blame the run defense failures on Sorenson, again a guy who substitutes as a DB. NOT a linebacker. NOT a defensive lineman. Idiots.

[Rooster]

Maclin didn't have the best of seasons this year and not sure why.

It seems like he was hurt all season even when he was playing.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

This is just some Eagles fans hoping this happens. No validity or chance that he is cut this soon.

[kepp]

Restructure or cut him loose, IMO. He's a fine player for us when he's 100%, but that hasn't been very often. He's got too many injuries under his belt at this point.

He's been fragile ever since his Mizzou days. It's unfortunate because he has a lot of ability.

[BoneKrusher]

Well if our QB isnt going to throw to him, then I guess there isnt much sense keeping him around

If Alex has to look beyond his first option the play is over.

[Coochie liquor]

I don't think the Garoppola rumor is getting much traction at all.

It is strange that Andy comes out and says "Alex is our Guy for 2017." Yet all these QB rumors are swirling around the Chiefs? :hmmm:

They're only rumors because the writers are grasping at straws. These people have no idea what the team is really thinking.

[ModSocks]

It seems like he was hurt all season even when he was playing.

He started to come on and look like his old self again towards the end of the season.

But yeah, he wasn't right all year. Either injury or lack of focus.

[ModSocks]

So did Alex Smith hurt Maclin's production, or did Maclin hurt Smith's production?

Dundundun

[HemiEd]

Maclin didn't have the best of seasons this year and not sure why.

He had an injury bothering him most of the season.

[mcaj22]

Maclin just doesnt get the volume he should from this scheme. I dont know if its the QB or Andy but youre paying a WR 11 million he should get more than 6 targets a game, he should be peppered and one of the main focal points regardless. For a WR to produce you need to just give him volume, when that stops of course his numbers will dip.

Granted he might have been hurt and out there as a decoy but he looked okay down the stretch and they still didnt feed him.

[Molitoth]

If Alex has to look beyond his first option the play is over.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

[Bowser]

So did Alex Smith hurt Maclin's production, or did Maclin hurt Smith's production?

Dundundun

Are you wanting Laz to report your post? Because this is how you get Laz to report your post.

[kcchiefsus]

He had an injury bothering him most of the season.

He was pathetic even before the injury.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

They're only rumors because the writers are grasping at straws. These people have no idea what the team is really thinking.

Exactly. It's just click bait to keep the ad revenue flowing.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Vegas odds of Romo to the Chiefs.


http://www.espn.com/blog/nfl/rumors/post/_/id/31095/should-chiefs-really-be-considered-one-of-the-favorites-to-land-tony-romo

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Many of the odds that have come out of Las Vegas in recent weeks had given the Kansas City Chiefs the fifth- or sixth-best chance among NFL teams to acquire quarterback Tony Romo when he gets his trade or release from the Dallas Cowboys.

That seems reasonable. While the Chiefs need to at least look into the possibility of acquiring Romo and they may indeed be intense players when this sweepstakes gets serious, they should not be considered favorites. Other teams, most notably the Denver Broncos and Houston Texans, may be more motivated to make such a move and could be more attractive destinations to Romo than Kansas City.


Online gaming site Bovada made the Chiefs their No. 2 favorite to acquire Tony Romo. Ronald Martinez/Getty Images
Then Bovada comes out Wednesday with odds of 7-2 that Romo will be playing for the Chiefs when the 2017 season begins. Those odds are second behind only the Broncos at 3-1.

While the Chiefs certainly can’t be dismissed yet from this competition, it’s a bit much to suggest that they’re one of the favorites to land Romo -- for a variety of reasons.

Not that this will necessarily be the determining factor, but it’s interesting to note the Chiefs are the only team among Bovada’s favorites that have an established starting quarterback. Denver will otherwise choose between Paxton Lynch and Trevor Siemian, Houston between Tom Savage and Brock Osweiler. The Chicago Bears, Buffalo Bills and New York Jets don’t or probably soon won’t have a legitimate candidate to be a starter on their roster.

The Chiefs are committed, at least publicly, to Alex Smith.

That doesn’t mean they won’t be more determined to acquire Romo than the other teams. It does mean they have more to lose than any of the others in chasing Romo and missing out.

If any of the other teams bid for Romo and don’t get him, they’ve lost nothing. They’ll either find their starting quarterbacks by -- in the cases of the Broncos and Texans -- choosing among existing options, or they will have to look elsewhere.

The Chiefs face some serious and perhaps irreparable damage if they’re involved with Romo and lose. Then they’ve publicly declared with their actions, if not their words, that they don’t think Smith is good enough, and that easily could turn into a problem in their locker room.

The Chiefs are really the only ones on Bovada’s list of favorites that would be pushing all of their chips to the middle of the table by going after Romo. So they need to tread carefully here.

That’s why I wouldn’t consider them favorites for Romo at this point. They may indeed not get involved in this at all unless they’re convinced they will win.

[BossChief]

So did Alex Smith hurt Maclin's production, or did Maclin hurt Smith's production?

Dundundun

IMO it's not a coincidence that WRs get "disinterested" after a year with Alex Smith and the thought they are stuck with him going forward sinks in.

It's hard to give full effort when the reward isn't there.

I bet Tyreek is super pissed that Alex didn't feed him on either wide open route in the playoff game.

I'd be.

[BossChief]

They're only rumors because the writers are grasping at straws. These people have no idea what the team is really thinking.

If you think Vegas bets millions on unsubstantiated rumors, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Everybody has to think that's surprising for Vegas to set the odds like that when Andy has backed Smith.

[Easy 6]

IMO it's not a coincidence that WRs get "disinterested" after a year with Alex Smith and the thought they are stuck with him going forward sinks in.

It's hard to give full effort when the reward isn't there.

I bet Tyreek is super pissed that Alex didn't feed him on either wide open route in the playoff game.

I'd be.

I knew all of this back in at least 2015, but didnt really start giving voice to it until this year... it is VERY apparent that Smiths playmakers get down on him, that their morale often suffers playing for him

They dont come out and say it, but if you just watch the games you can plainly see the slumped shoulders and looks of resignation as they come off the field after being missed, or more often, not even targeted when they're wide ****ing open out there, again and again and again

Reid is a great leader so we dont see it manifested openly, but I'd bet everything of value I own that his skill players are SICK of Smith

[BossChief]

I knew all of this back in at least 2015, but didnt really start giving voice to it until this year... it is VERY apparent that Smiths playmakers get down on him, that their morale often suffers playing for him

They dont come out and say it, but if you just watch the games you can plainly see the slumped shoulders and looks of resignation as they come off the field after being missed, or more often, not even targeted when they're wide ****ing open out there, again and again and again

Reid is a great leader so we dont see it manifested openly, but I'd bet everything of value I own that his skill players are SICK of Smith

Completely agree.

No question.

[The Franchise]

You know Kelce has said something.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

If reid was smart he'd just call a deep pass to Hill every play.

[Deberg_1990]

cut him. we can get the same production from Albert Wilson.

[smith11]

He keeps running routes deeper than 10 yards. That's not acceptable or needed with the Chiefs. :)

smith went deep twice to maclin in the jets game...maclin dropped both passes

[BryanBusby]

smith went deep twice to maclin in the jets game...maclin dropped both passes
ALEX SMITH IS THE GREATEST FUCKING QUARTERBACK TO EVER PLAY THE GAME GUYS!!!!!!

It was:
Maclin
Hill
Kelce
O-Line
West
Ware
Charles eating nachos in a luxury box while collecting all the escalades
Playcalling
Tyler Bray because fuck it why not
Reid
Santos
Defense
The field
A slight breeze!
Too much red in the stands
The sun
Eric Berry for not enough pick 6
Not enough red in the stands
Gary Lezak said something not nice on twitter
Jim Harbaugh
All the money I am robbing from the Chiefs with my shit contract is weighing me down
Properly inflated footballs
A bit of precipitation
The refs

Mix and match for Week to Week because Alex is football Jesus

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Shermanator Terminated?

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/02/24/chiefs-draft-rumors-james-conner-make-sense-kansas-city/

Does James Conner make sense as a late round addition for the Kansas City Chiefs? Maybe not at running back, but he could replace Anthony Sherman.

It’s a story already familiar to Kansas City Chiefs fans. Watching Eric Berry face and overcome the Hodgkin’s lymphoma diagnosis he received late in 2014 has been one of greatest stories in team history, which is why everyone wants to see him end his career in Kansas City. Interestingly enough, the same overcomer type of story could be applied to another potential Chief in Pittsburgh running back James Conner.

Pitt RB James Conner, who missed most of 2015 with Hodgkin’s Lymphoma, received a clean scan today, a week prior to combine, per source.
1:13 PM - 23 Feb 2017
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Conner’s inspirational return to the field last season wasn’t the only aspect to celebrate. He continued an NFL-hopeful career with 1,394 yards from scrimmage, including 216 rushes for 1,092 yards, a healthy 5.1 yards/carry. Even better, he scored 20 touchdowns both on the ground (16) and through the air (4), showing off an ability to catch the ball out of the backfield for the first time in his college career.

That sort of versatility, even if his hands aren’t the best in the world, will help him because the NFL has certainly shifted away from the days when power backs ruled the turf. Trends come and go, so it doesn’t mean there’s no place for Conner in the NFL, but he’s a rare breed these days as a heavy back (235 lbs. unofficially).

The immediate need at running back for the Chiefs is not in Conner’s style, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a place on the roster. The Chiefs already have a dependable bigger back in house with Spencer Ware, although Conner certainly plays bigger than Ware, and the Chiefs are likely to look for some elite athleticism and vision to add to the position. That’s not Conner’s game.

ANTHONY SHERMAN’S ONE-YEAR CAP HIT EQUALS WHAT JAMES CONNER WOULD LIKELY EARN FOR HIS ENTIRE 4-YEAR DEAL AS A LATE ROUND ROOKIE.
But the Chiefs are also entering the last year of Anthony Sherman’s contract, one that’s not expensive with a $2.3 million cap hit, but it’s one that can be reduced. For a cash strapped team, a couple million can make a difference and owning Conner for a combined RB/FB role would provide a cost-effective asset for the offense and special teams. Sherman’s one-year cap hit equals what James Conner would likely earn for his entire 4-year deal as a late round rookie.

Conner will be one athlete to watch in particular at the NFL Combine as teams try to assess his athleticism at the next level. In a loaded running back class, Conner faces long odds in the eyes of some, but he’s faced far bigger horrors in the last few years only to come out victorious on the other side. Here’s hoping he finds a home in the NFL, maybe even one at Arrowhead.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumors: 5 stories of the week.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/2/24/14658392/chiefs-romo-maclin-poe-draft

Five Chiefs stories from the past week we should know.

Seth Keysor (MNchiefsfan) wrote Saturday that the Chiefs would be insane to cut Jeremy Maclin.

While I agree with Seth here, it is worth noting the contract situation for Maclin. According to Spotrac, Maclin is going to take a $12.4 million hit on the Chiefs cap (including a $2.4 million signing bonus) in 2017. $7.2 million of that would be dead cap for the Chiefs if they released Maclin. That number would be $2.4 million after June 1.

Seth hit all the right notes with Maclin’s performance analysis, or lack thereof, in 2017. Spotrac’s figures say that the Chiefs are No. 30 in the league in cap space available (about $4.2 million). When the Chiefs part ways with Nick Foles, they’ll be sitting at about $11 million under the cap. If Dorsey did this, they’d have to spend that money on upgrading the offense.

Field Gulls wrote about the Chiefs free agency situation in 2017. (They even interviewed Joel!)

Kenneth Arthur (@KennethArthuRS) focused on the free agency problem with Eric Berry and Dontari Poe. The problem is how will the Chiefs sign both Poe and Berry? Arthur says he doesn’t see it as a possibility at this point.

After KC releases Foles, they’ll be $10.9 million under the cap. That basically just gives them the room to keep Berry on at least the franchise tag, but doesn’t even give them enough space to sign their draft picks so more moves will have to be made. ... Despite optimism that the Chiefs could keep Poe, I just don’t see it as probable.
Poe’s performance has dropped considerably in the last two years. In 2013 and 2014, Poe amounted 81 tackles and 10.5 sacks. The last two seasons were a different story: 47 tackles and 2.5 sacks. Is he worth the big money? His stats suggest that he’s on the decline, but Seth was throwing some analysis on Twitter Sunday night with the difference Poe can have on a game. (Seth will be writing more about Poe this weekend)

Kristopher Knox of Bleacher Report predicted that the Chiefs will go with wide receiver John Ross out of Washington in the first round of the draft.

It’s an interesting prediction. I’ve seen a few analysts say that the Chiefs will go with a receiver, but things will change a lot between now and draft day.

Ross, the second receiver picked on Knox’s draft board, put up 1,150 receiving yards in his final season at Washington and scored 17 touchdowns. But in his first two seasons, he only totaled 579 yards and five touchdowns. Ross is also expected to undergo surgery to fix an injured labrum after the combine.

Most would probably agree that the Chiefs don’t need to use their first-round pick on a wide receiver. It could be a priority later in the draft, but the Chiefs seem to be set with Maclin, Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as the go-to guys.

Adam Teicher (ESPN) says that the Chiefs should seriously consider Christian McCaffrey.

It was a struggle for the Chiefs at running back in 2016. It appeared that Spencer Ware was going to handle the load just fine early on, but his production dropped. After his 131-yard performance in Week 5 at Oakland, he only topped 70 yards once the rest of the season.

Jamaal Charles remains a big question mark for 2017. Dorsey would be taking a gamble if he were to bank on the health of Charles at the position, so it should be addressed in the offseason. The question is, should running back have priority over others in the draft? It’ll depend on what’s available.

McCaffrey’s got talent, but he likely wouldn’t be the every-down back. He’d still need supplemental help from Ware and maybe Charcandrick West. Dalvin Cook and Leonard Fournette are the other big-name running backs in the draft, but it’s doubtful that they’d still be on the board for the Chiefs at No. 27.

The Tony Romo-to-the-Chiefs talk continues to swirl, this time on the MMQB with Peter King.

We all know Tony Romo can be a great quarterback, but his injury history alone makes people shy away from the 36-year-old veteran.

Here’s where he would probably stand with the Chiefs. KC would finish the year around the 10-6 or 11-5 mark, and I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if another first round exit was in the cards if Romo was behind center.

He’d probably put up better regular season numbers than Alex Smith but wouldn’t be a huge upgrade in the playoffs. The only way I could get behind a Chiefs-led Romo, is if John Dorsey made drafting a quarterback for the future a high priority (I’m talking first or second round).

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Unless Maclin has an injury thar will set him back, he's not getting cut. End of discussion

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Johnny Football a Chief?

chiefswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/23/why-johnny-manziel-may-be-the-best-free-agent-quarterback-fit-for-the-chiefs/

Long article with lots of Gif's to support this nonsense.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Why the hell are people citing turds like REALmn as some sort of opinion we should care about?

[Halfcan]

Why the hell are people citing turds like REALmn as some sort of opinion we should care about?

Opinions are like assholes- everybody has one-some just stink worse than others.

[raybec 4]

Why the hell are people citing turds like REALmn as some sort of opinion we should care about?

Realmn really does some insightful breakdowns. Dude spends a lot of time watching film, and knows his stuff on many occasions. Not perfect, not an inside source or anything like that, but he knows football.

[dls6501]

Realmn really does some insightful breakdowns. Dude spends a lot of time watching film, and knows his stuff on many occasions. Not perfect, not an inside source or anything like that, but he knows football.

Absolutely 100% agre

[Mr_Tomahawk]

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[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumor: Berry gets the tag- Poe gets walking papers.

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/02/27/chiefs-rumors-eric-berry-dontari-poe-free-agency/

The Kansas City Chiefs are reportedly ready to tag Eric Berry for a second time and will let Dontari Poe hit free agency, per ESPN’s Ed Werder.

Ed Werder, NFL analyst for ESPN, has word on what the Kansas City Chiefs might do concerning both Eric Berry and Dontari Poe in the days to come.

The Chiefs have already tagged Eric Berry once, which means his price tag will become approximately $13 million with another use. Unfortunately for them, Eric Berry has already said, and then reiterated on Sunday night, that he will not play under the franchise tag again.

Tagging Berry does not necessarily mean that Berry will have to play under it. Rather, it simply allows John Dorsey plenty more time to get an extension done with the star safety a la Justin Houston’s extension, when the Chiefs tagged him only to buy the time to work out the details of the new contract.

As for Dontari Poe, he will immediately become one of the biggest targets in free agency as a versatile, young defensive lineman who has two Pro Bowls to his credit. He’s an athletic marvel at his position who can push the pocket and stop the run, and despite some recent back issues and having logged a ton of snaps, Poe should still command near top dollar on the open market.

The cash-strapped Chiefs could be in for a bit of a painful offseason. It’s clear that John Dorsey still can’t meet Berry where he wants, even after having had a full year to already find common ground. What this means for Berry’s future with the team is uncertain, but he has zero leverage at this point unless he’s truly prepared to hold out.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumors: Dorsey's 5 biggest decisions this offseason.

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/02/24/john-dorsey-5-biggest-decisions-kansas-city-chiefs-offseason/

1. Alex 2. Berry 3. Poe 4. JC 5. His own future with the Chiefs.

Nice summary of these pivitol choices.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumors: 5 likely contract extensions.

http://kckingdom.com/2017/02/25/kansas-city-chiefs-five-players-likely-get-contract-extensions-2017/

Get busy Dorsey!!

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumors: 5 Offseason Needs.

http://fansided.com/2017/02/23/kansas-city-chiefs-needs-2017-offseason-free-agency-draft-trade/

Nice summary article.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Rumors: Chiefs players ready for a big jump.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/2/25/14575880/kansas-city-chiefs-candidates-to-take-a-jump-next-year

This time of year, the fantasy football mindset takes over. We’re all thinking about who the Chiefs can sign, draft, trade for, or re-sign that can make this team better going forward. It’s honestly my favorite part of the NFL year. But, player development is as important as acquiring the right players, unless you want your team to be in constant rebuilding mode.

The process that John Dorsey and Andy Reid have brought to Kansas City lends itself to consistency, and keeps the team from a position where they need to panic to fill a need.

Dorsey likes to draft a year or two in advance of specific needs
They’ve generally drafted for depth, instead of paying veteran free agents to sit on the bench
They have a next man up mentality to replace injured players (and those that leave in free agency/trades)
There is a clear path for young players to get on the field for special teams, and eventually play on offense and defense
I thought this would be a good time to consider some players who have a chance to step up into a larger role in 2017 and/or improve enough to impact the team.

Demarcus Robinson
We didn’t see the rookie play wide receiver at all in the 2016 regular season. He did show up on special teams, (four tackles) but his potential is as a playmaker on the Chiefs offense. I did a review of his college film here. He seems like an Andy Reid receiver in that he excels in running after the catch and runs good routes. With the emergence of Tyreek Hill, the continued growth of Chris Conley, and the return of a healthy Jeremy Maclin, there isn’t a ton of room for Robinson to have an impact season, but I do think he is certainly on the roster, and will compete for snaps. Albert Wilson is a free agent, so there’s a chance his job is up for grabs. I won’t go so far as to predict that Robinson is the Chiefs No. 1 WR anytime soon, but there’s enough potential with Demarcus that he could be a surprise contributor.

LDT
Many believe that the Chiefs will be in the market for new starters at offensive guard. I tend to disagree. I think they have a couple of young players that they really like in Parker Ehinger and Laurent Duvernay-Tardif. LDT was recently featured on this list of underrated NFL offensive linemen. It’s a great read, and includes a cutup with some tremendous blocks by the Chiefs RG. The knock on LDT has been consistency... but as MNChiefsfan noticed, he’s improving. He has the athleticism and nastiness to be a huge asset in the run game. His pass protection needs improvement, but if he can just avoid being a liability there, he might just earn a new contract in KC.

DJ Alexander
The Pro Bowl special teams player finally got a chance to fill in at ILB due to a rash of injuries at the position in 2016. When the Chiefs took him, I actually thought he was a more promising player than Ramik Wilson. DJA has outstanding closing speed, and a knack for making the big hit. He plays with an aggression and passion that you want to see from a linebacker. ILB is another position that many believe the Chiefs will be looking to upgrade this offseason. But, don’t be surprised if they bring back the same group, and let DJA compete for defensive snaps. There’s still an outside chance that Derrick Johnson’s future replacement DID come from that 2015 draft class.

Ramik Wilson
Ramik’s path to becoming a starter for the Chiefs was not a straight line by any means. Wilson played in 11 games as a rookie, but was cut prior to his 2nd season, then added to the practice squad, and eventually replaced March in the week 6 game against the Saints. Wilson responded with 8 tackles vs New Orleans, and became a regular starter. Ramik was a part of three turnovers this season (INT, FF, 2 FR) and had 3 passes defended. If he continues to develop and attack the football, he may just maintain a substantial role in the Chiefs front seven.

Dee Ford
At one point in 2016, Dee Ford had seemingly answered all critics and become a star. He had 10 sacks in his first 10 games, and was in the conversation among the league’s best pass rushers. He logged 8.5 of his sacks during a five game win streak during October and November... but was conspicuously inconspicuous after that. Dee went back to disappearing over long stretches, as he made very few splash plays over the final 1⁄3 of the season and playoffs. So, which version of Dee Ford should we expect in 2017? He went from potential bust to elite pass rusher and back in the span of the last two seasons. Ford must find consistency if he is going to take the next step. If he does, the Chiefs may finally have the Houston/Ford combination to terrorize opponents in 2017. If not, OLB will continue to be a need.

Parker Ehinger
Ehinger appears to be a difference maker, especially in the run game, and a great complement for Eric Fisher on the left side of the KC offensive line. His surprising rookie season was cut short due to an ACL injury. Getting him back could be a huge boost to the Chiefs offense, without any additional investment at the position. One of the biggest factors in the success of any offensive line is continuity. For the first time since 2005, the Chiefs have a chance to return all 5 starters from the prior year. Not only that, but all 5 are young and have shown upside and improvement.

Eric Murray
Have you heard that the Chiefs have a high profile safety set to hit free agency? I do believe Berry remains a Chief, but that doesn’t mean they don’t need to continue to develop guys behind him. Eric Murray didn’t get much time on defense this season, but he has developed a reputation as a stellar special teams player and a big hitter. He’ll likely remain fourth on the depth chart this season, behind Berry and two others coming off of career years: Ron Parker and Daniel Sorensen. Murray has the skills the Chiefs like, including a background as a CB, so they may start to work him into the lineup in 2017 to gain some experience.

Tyreek Hill
His rookie year and back story have been well documented at this point. Hill was a transformational player on offense and special teams for the Chiefs this past season. So, why is he on this list? Because we haven’t seen his ceiling yet. Hill proved in training camp that he was more than just a gadget player. He demonstrated the ability to track passes in the air, and the potential to be a full time wide receiver. This offseason, he should be working on consistency in route running and catching the football. He has the opportunity to become an Antonio Brown/Steve Smith type player, but he needs to build off of what he showed in 2016.

Who are you most looking forward to seeing take the next step for the Chiefs in 2017?

[Eleazar]

Chiefs Rumor: Johnny Football a Chief?

chiefswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/23/why-johnny-manziel-may-be-the-best-free-agent-quarterback-fit-for-the-chiefs/

Long article with lots of Gif's to support this nonsense.

Thank you for letting me know that I can safely skip anything that says "Charles Goldman" in the byline.

[raybec 4]

Thank you for letting me know that I can safely skip anything that says "Charles Goldman" in the byline.

ROFL

[Nickhead]

Unless Maclin has an injury thar will set him back, he's not getting cut. End of discussion

the dude has been injured the last two years and it set the team back. you high on crack?

[raybec 4]

the dude has been injured the last two years and it set the team back. you high on crack?

2015 he had 87 catches for 1088 yds and 8 tds. That's hardly setting the team back.

[Nickhead]

2015 he had 87 catches for 1088 yds and 8 tds. That's hardly setting the team back.

i meant to infer that his injuries in 2015 hurt us in the playoffs. don't get me wrong, i like maclin. but he better light it up next season. seems i recall many occasions where people claimed he took plays off and looked disinterested. if that is the case then he needs cut.

[KChiefs1]

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Chris Conley:
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[Nickhead]

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so berry had to pay for his?

too soon? :D

actually a good deed. i even gave a coworker shit one day he came to work with short hair. asked if he donated his locks and he said fuck em short hair ain't that bad. :D

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

That looks nothing like the dude we saw at the combine 2 years ago

[ChiefRocka]

That looks nothing like the dude we saw at the combine 2 years ago


Yeah, its amazing how different he looks when balls are thrown at him.

[rabblerouser]

Maybe instead of cutting him, they should find a QB who can get the ball into his hands so he can live up to some of his contract.

Crazy talk.

If we did that, we could sign Torrey Smith (or anyone else) and it wouldn't be a waste of time and money.

Best not even go down THAT road...

[Couch-Potato]

I'd swap Maclin out for Cooks or Jeffrey if we could get one of them. Cooks is younger and plays the same game as Maclin, Jeffrey is more dynamic. Torey and Desean can go elsewhere.

[ChiefGator]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170306/e9f8fa8bdf639704a4ab53d90f827163.jpg


Dude does look really different.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

i meant to infer that his injuries in 2015 hurt us in the playoffs. don't get me wrong, i like maclin. but he better light it up next season. seems i recall many occasions where people claimed he took plays off and looked disinterested. if that is the case then he needs cut.

You asshat. Maclin had the balls to try and play in that playoff game despite a significant ankle injury. You could see his competitiveness on the field while watching his body hold him back.

2015-16 was Maclin's most efficient season in the NFL. Get your head out of your ass

[Sandy Vagina]

At least the one more year with Maclin. After this season, from that cap perspective, then it becomes something to strongly consider.

[Halfcan]

What a great thing for Conley to do- it makes a huge difference for kids going through cancer treatments.

I hope he has a breakout year- this kid has Star potential.

[DJ's left nut]

Conley is just an aces human being; incredibly good dude.

Even if he becomes little more than a larger Jason Avant, I'd love to see the Chiefs keep him around long-term. At 24 years old he's still a great example to have around the young guys. His leadership bonafides will only increase as he ages.

I still think he's limited as a receiver but as a person you can't have a better guy on your roster.

[Direckshun]

Do we have any more rumors on Poe?

Terez says the Chiefs want him back, but I haven't seen any other developments.

Thanks in advance.

[DJ's left nut]

Do we have any more rumors on Poe?

Terez says the Chiefs want him back, but I haven't seen any other developments.

Thanks in advance.

I just don't see how they make the money work.

The only way he comes back is if it's a Jaye Howard situation where his market just never materializes and he returns on a 2-year deal to try to re-establish himself.

There's just so much money in the market and so many teams looking for interior line help. I'd be shocked if he doesn't get a deal that the Chiefs couldn't match no matter how badly they wanted to.

[Mr. Laz]

Do we have any more rumors on Poe?

Terez says the Chiefs want him back, but I haven't seen any other developments.

Thanks in advance.
We chose to pay Berry and LDT huge contracts instead.

bye-bye Poe

[TEX]

We chose to pay Berry and LDT huge contracts instead.

bye-bye Poe

Yep. I Ithink he goes to Atlanta.

[RunKC]

"Welcome to the Colts, Dontari."

-Chris Ballard

[Titty Meat]

Conley is just an aces human being; incredibly good dude.

Even if he becomes little more than a larger Jason Avant, I'd love to see the Chiefs keep him around long-term. At 24 years old he's still a great example to have around the young guys. His leadership bonafides will only increase as he ages.

I still think he's limited as a receiver but as a person you can't have a better guy on your roster.

Met him at a social function drunk off my ass. He's a really really nice guy.

[Titty Meat]

Do we have any more rumors on Poe?

Terez says the Chiefs want him back, but I haven't seen any other developments.

Thanks in advance.

We wanted Sean Smith back too but let's be honest someone will overpay for Poe. We're going to draft a couple dlinemen this year.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Maclin will rebound this season. I fully expect a much better year from this offense even with Alex at QB. Although I'd draft and play the rookie QB. Let him grow with the offense. The earlier the better.



Hope to hear KC signs Hightower. Doubt it but that's my one move of the off-season

[raybec 4]

Maclin will rebound this season. I fully expect a much better year from this offense even with Alex at QB. Although I'd draft and play the rookie QB. Let him grow with the offense. The earlier the better.



Hope to hear KC signs Hightower. Doubt it but that's my one move of the off-season

They can't afford Hightower, he's not a 3 down guy and he'll be pretty expensive.

[Messier]

We wanted Sean Smith back too but let's be honest someone will overpay for Poe. We're going to draft a couple dlinemen this year.

I'm glad they didn't sign Smith, and I think not signing Poe is the right move too.

[MotherfuckerJones]

They can't afford Hightower, he's not a 3 down guy and he'll be pretty expensive.

Yes, he is and they can afford him if they want him. Cap space is a myth.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Playing with a young QB next year will open up a ton of cap space.

[The Franchise]

Free agent NT Dontari Poe is reportedly seeking $10 million per year.

Chiefs beat writers expect Poe to leave K.C. Perhaps most interesting, Giants beat writer Jordan Raanan was told by an NFL defensive line coach that fellow free agent DT Johnathan Hankins had better tape than Poe in 2016. It's not entirely surprising. The Chiefs' run defense struggled mightily with Poe as its anchor, and Hankins has always offered a superior pass-rush threat.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I'd take Williams from BAL over Poe. But I'd spend that money on Hightower.

[CousinEddie]

i meant to infer that his injuries in 2015 hurt us in the playoffs. don't get me wrong, i like maclin. but he better light it up next season. seems i recall many occasions where people claimed he took plays off and looked disinterested. if that is the case then he needs cut.

Well, to be fair, do you blame him when Alice is back there checking down? I bet Hill ran a marathon in the Pittsburgh game wide open and only got a couple of looks.