NFL Cap Projected at $166-169 million

[RunKC]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/25/2017-salary-cap-currently-pegged-at-166-169-million/

Up at least $11 million from last year. Good padding for us here

[CaliforniaChief]

Good padding for everyone else too.

[Bowser]

Nice. We need the extra breathing room.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

(Possibly )NSFW
http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/04/nfls-jamaal-charles-fireworks-at-the-strip-club-drops-20k/

[Mr. Laz]

Makes virtually no difference because it's all relative. Now other teams have even more cap room. The only way it makes a difference is if a player wants to be on the Chiefs' squad to begin, extra room will help us sign them.

During the FA signing competition is means nothing

[Titty Meat]

7 of that will go to releasing Smith

[RunKC]

Makes virtually no difference because it's all relative. Now other teams have even more cap room. The only way it makes a difference is if a player wants to be on the Chiefs' squad to begin, extra room will help us sign them.

During the FA signing competition is means nothing

$11 million would cover roughly 90% of Poe's franchise tag cost. It makes all the difference in the world.

[Direckshun]

Pats are going to have $70m in cap room. Christ.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Pats are going to have $70m in cap room. Christ.

holy shit ! By God you gotta respect that franchise.

[Mr. Laz]

$11 million would cover roughly 90% of Poe's franchise tag cost. It makes all the difference in the world.
Fair enough, it helps with a tag too but that still takes away from money you can use for FAs.

[BryanBusby]

LMAO whoever changed that sig

I laugh everytime I see it.

[Mr. Laz]

holy shit ! By God you gotta respect that franchise.
Yep, I detest the team and fanbase but it's about more than just their QB.

Coaching is better
Salary cap control is better
Their teaching and use of scheme is THE BEST in the NFL
Players development is great
They seem to know when to keep/release players

[kcpasco]

Easy to not overspend on talent when Brady is your qb. Let's see if that formula still works for the Pats when he retires.

We have to overspend on positions like safety because the offense is a pile of shit.

[Mr. Laz]

Easy to not overspend on talent when Brady is your qb. Let's see if that formula still works for the Pats when he retires.
The entire NFL is waiting for just that.

Even if you add another 10 million to Brady's cap number the team is still way under. Of course, you would have to pay more for WRs if you didn't have Brady as well. Brady makes all the WRs better.

So add another 10 million for the Edelman and Amendola positions.

20 million still puts the Patriots at 50 million under the cap

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Amendola will have to restructure or get cut.
They still need to sign Hightower, Long, Bennett, Blount, Mingo, Vollmer

[staylor26]

Amendola will have to restructure or get cut.
They still need to sign Hightower, Long, Bennett, Blount, Mingo, Vollmer

And Branch

[beach tribe]

Makes virtually no difference because it's all relative. Now other teams have even more cap room. The only way it makes a difference is if a player wants to be on the Chiefs' squad to begin, extra room will help us sign them.

During the FA signing competition is means nothing

Your takes are just horrible these days.

It's huge for cap strapped teams.
Especially teams like us who are trying to retain their players and are facing uncomfortable tag situations.
A little extra breathing room goes a long way for teams with smart, resourceful GMs to do their jobs.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Easy to not overspend on talent when Brady is your qb. Let's see if that formula still works for the Pats when he retires.

We have to overspend on positions like safety because the offense is a pile of shit.

They went 3-1 without Brady to begin this season, and the loss was while playing their QB3.

If you're waiting for Brady to retire assuming that will make the Pats beatable again, you're going to be waiting a while.

[beach tribe]

They went 3-1 without Brady to begin this season, and the loss was while playing their QB3.

If you're waiting for Brady to retire assuming that will make the Pats beatable again, you're going to be waiting a while.

Lol.

Thinking any team will be even remotely as formidable after losing Tom Brady is laughable at best.

Will be they still be an excellent franchise? Yeah. But not what they've been.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Lol.

Thinking any team will be even remotely as formidable after losing Tom Brady is laughable at best.

Will be they still be an excellent franchise? Yeah. But not what they've been.

Will they win 5 SB's in 15 years?

Of course not. That may never happen again.

But they'll still likely be the team to beat in the AFC for as long as Belichick is running the show - Brady or no Brady.

[RunKC]

Tom Brady has had an elite defense every time he won a SB. Belichick has made Cassel, Garrapolo and Brissett look good without Brady on the field.

They still play in a shitty division and would still be a 1 or 2 seed every season. Look at us. Andy outcoaches most teams and has won 11 or more games with Alex.

Do you really think Bill wouldn't do better?

[Mr. Laz]

Your takes are just horrible these days.

It's huge for cap strapped teams.
Especially teams like us who are trying to retain their players and are facing uncomfortable tag situations.
A little extra breathing room goes a long way for teams with smart, resourceful GMs to do their jobs.
Every team has 11 million more, not just us.

Unless we tag Berry, every team will have 11 million more to offer him.

That goes for every free agent AND every potential free agent.

A big salary cap jump means every team will have more to keep their potential FAs. Which means less talent on the market to go after, reducing the talent pool available.

It's all relative

Now it does help if you want to tag someone immediately. We won't have to cut someone because of the tag. Means Dorsey won't have to restructure stuff or make as many early cuts. But in the big picture, it doesn't change much.

Just means that NFL players will make more money this year en masse.

In the end, it's still going to come down to which team wants to spend and how smart they are about spending what they have.

[Rain Man]

These salary cap increases are driving up inflation for the rest of us.

[Hoover]

which is why if you let a guy like Poe walk you are going to get a 3rd round comp pick next year.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Give Alex a raise

[chiefzilla1501]

It was a huge mistake not to sign Berry if this is the case.

[bevischief]

We are doomed.

[Titty Meat]

Will they win 5 SB's in 15 years?

Of course not. That may never happen again.

But they'll still likely be the team to beat in the AFC for as long as Belichick is running the show - Brady or no Brady.

It's like saying Reid will suck without McNabb

[Bowser]

I would love to see the bullshit behind the scenes deals Kraft has set Brady up with in order to save the team cap space. Knowmo's boy Brock Osweiller is making more money than Brady is now, for crying out loud.

[SAUTO]

I would love to see the bullshit behind the scenes deals Kraft has set Brady up with in order to save the team cap space. Knowmo's boy Brock Osweiller is making more money than Brady is now, for crying out loud.

Maybe he's a guy who actually just cares about winning.

I don't buy it but whatever

[Bowser]

Maybe he's a guy who actually just cares about winning.

I don't buy it but whatever

The most selfless player in NFL history. They should rename the Hall after him. LMAO

[milkman]

Maybe he's a guy who actually just cares about winning.

I don't buy it but whatever

Maybe he's a guy that is married to more money than he himself makes, or could make even if he did get the maximum he could earn, so he can afford to care more about winning.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Amendola will have to restructure or get cut.
They still need to sign Hightower, Long, Bennett, Blount, Mingo, Vollmer

The Patriots don't 'need' to sign anyone. They've never flinched to any players demands because they don't have to anymore with Brady and the culture that has been built over there.

Vollmer is a backup now and Bingo and Long are practically JAGs. They will more than likely use more cap space to add big time players and further increase the gap in the AFC. (Like Revis in 2014)

[SAUTO]

Maybe he's a guy that is married to more money than he himself makes, or could make even if he did get the maximum he could earn, so he can afford to care more about winning.

That probably hits the nail on the head

[Bowser]

Maybe he's a guy that is married to more money than he himself makes, or could make even if he did get the maximum he could earn, so he can afford to care more about winning.

Quite likely, but would any of us be shocked to find out he has some side deal in place with the Patriots like Elway did with the Broncos in his later seasons?

[SAUTO]

Quite likely, but would any of us be shocked to find out he has some side deal in place with the Patriots like Elway did with the Broncos in his later seasons?

Not at all.

[The Bad Guy]

Every team has 11 million more, not just us.

Unless we tag Berry, every team will have 11 million more to offer him.

That goes for every free agent AND every potential free agent.

A big salary cap jump means every team will have more to keep their potential FAs. Which means less talent on the market to go after, reducing the talent pool available.

It's all relative

Now it does help if you want to tag someone immediately. We won't have to cut someone because of the tag. Means Dorsey won't have to restructure stuff or make as many early cuts. But in the big picture, it doesn't change much.

Just means that NFL players will make more money this year en masse.

In the end, it's still going to come down to which team wants to spend and how smart they are about spending what they have.

11 million more is a positive for this team.

I'm just shocked you'd see it some other way.

[Bowser]

Quite likely, but would any of us be shocked to find out he has some side deal in place with the Patriots like Elway did with the Broncos in his later seasons?

Long read, but very interesting....

http://www.theleadsports.com/stories/would-tom-brady-have-5-rings-if-he-and-the-patriots-werent-allowed-to-circumvent-the-salary-cap/

[Bowser]

11 million more is a positive for this team.

I'm just shocked you'd see it some other way.

Laz has been quite the glass-half-empty type of guy lately.

[BryanBusby]

Quite likely, but would any of us be shocked to find out he has some side deal in place with the Patriots like Elway did with the Broncos in his later seasons?
I think he has some side business that the Patriots dump a shit pule of money into, so........

[BossChief]

It's gonna end up a little over 170

[Quesadilla Joe]

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[pugsnotdrugs19]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to a league official, the final salary cap number for 2017 will be $167M per team</p>&mdash; Jason Cole (@JasonColeBR) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonColeBR/status/836955700421136385">March 1, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Well, the Chiefs are right up against it then.

[RunKC]

Overthecap updated their #'s to reflect $168 million.

Chiefs have $10.5 million available but Berry isn't listed. It is probably more like 5

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Overthecap updated their #'s to reflect $168 million.

Chiefs have $10.5 million available but Berry isn't listed. It is probably more like 5

Right now it shows their cap at $173 million and we have $10.5 in space. Once they get it down to $168 and add Berry's contract, we will likely break even around $0.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The Chiefs are not going to be able to sign much of anyone this offseason. They will need to depend largely on in-house development and the next draft class, and that's okay.

Need guys to step up in big ways that are already on the team, as I don't foresee any major signings for us on the market.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

The Chiefs are not going to be able to sign much of anyone this offseason. They will need to depend largely on in-house development and the next draft class, and that's okay.

Need guys to step up in big ways that are already on the team, as I don't foresee any major signings for us on the market.

Dorsey is in such a good position right now. So many young players that are contributors with just the right amount of highly paid veterans. 2017/2018 are our years to shine. Gotta find that a run-stopping linebacker and a mean running back and we will be the most complete team in the league.

[RunKC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2atC_PUUAErqs4.jpg:large

Here's the pic. NFLPA says the Chiefs carried over $5 million from last season.

5-rollover
6-Foles
6-Charles
11-cap increase

That's $28 million if true, $23 million with projected $5 million cap hit from Berry's new deal.

[The Franchise]

So Overthecap.com has our cap space at $9.5 but that doesn't include Berry. So if you figure his first year cap hit at $5M.....then we're roughly at $4.5 million in cap room left.

That's without removing Foles either. If you cut him....it puts our cap space at $15.8 million before Berry.

[Quesadilla Joe]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2atC_PUUAErqs4.jpg:large

Here's the pic. NFLPA says the Chiefs carried over $5 million from last season.

5-rollover
6-Foles
6-Charles
11-cap increase

That's $28 million if true, $23 million with projected $5 million cap hit from Berry's new deal.

Take out about $6M for the draft class and another 4-5 million for RFA's. And who knows whether Tardiff got any any additional $ in his deal for this year.

[Ringless]

It is easy to forget OTC and sportrac already estimate what the new salary cap will be beforehand. That money was already accounted for.

You can't assume the cap will continue to rise forever either, there will be a peak. The more people that stream from home, etc can and will have an effect on this as well. The Chiefs in fact have 1 million less than was expected.

Another thing that is easy to forget is Sportrac and OTC go off the top 51 contracts. However that is not a true reflection of cap space either. At the start of the season every penny must be accounted for that was paid out to players.

If the Chiefs have 8.7 million in cap space, they must also roughly save around 5 million for the rookie pool, and another 2 million for in season signings for when others players go to IR etc. They are going to need to create more cap space which Foles will be the one to offer up via his declined option.

[RunKC]

I think OTC is behind. NFLPA released the statement of our $5 million carryover from 2016. Nick Foles is still on there and the cap rise has to be $11 million.

5-carryover
11-cap rise
6-Foles
6-Charles

$28 million - Berry cap hit (5?). We should have at least $20 million from what I'm seeing.

[Ringless]

I think OTC is behind. NFLPA released the statement of our $5 million carryover from 2016. Nick Foles is still on there and the cap rise has to be $11 million.

5-carryover
11-cap rise
6-Foles
6-Charles

$28 million - Berry cap hit (5?). We should have at least $20 million from what I'm seeing.

This is incorrect. Sportrac and OTC build in estimates during the year for the expected cap rise. It's a common misconception each off-season. They then adjust it when the actual figure is released. So you guys have 1 million less to work with than was estimated. The Carryover is already accounted for as well.

[The Franchise]

OTC has already adjusted the cap to $168 on their page....and Charles is off as well.

[Ringless]

OTC has already adjusted the cap to $168 on their page....and Charles is off as well.

Prior to this adjustment OTC and Sportrac were estimating 169 million in space since at least December. So in fact it is 1 million less than their websites had reflected previously. The number you saw had already built in the expected cap rise prior to the league statement.

The Chiefs at this time dont have any cap space to work with hence the backloaded deals of Berry and LDT. Of course Foles will create 11 million when he comes off the books on the 9th. But then you need 5 million for your rookie pool, and 2-3 million for in season signings for injured players. In addition, it wont be the top 51, but all players that got paid a penny. So that is more off the cap.

Here is a perfect example, if you go to OTC right now, and click on the Chiefs they have the 2018 cap estimate at 178 million (calculated a year in advance)

So thats another estimated 11 million rise added into the cap space next year leaving the Chiefs with 30 million in 2018 (3rd least). That is also before Berry, and LDT contracts are added in. 13 million + 8 total of 21 leaving them with 9 next season. Before signing anymore extensions, adding any players etc.


The only way out for the Chiefs is to release Alex Smith in 2018, and Tamba Hali to have a manageable cap after this year. Essentially they are all in in 17. I'm by no means a Chiefs fan so this is just outside speculation and non-biased. But I can see the Chiefs moving on from Smith, Hali, and possibly Andy Reid if there is not a playoff appearance and or wins this season. It only makes sense.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

OTC is currently up to date with the set cap and our rollover, but does not have Berry on there. Add him, subtract Foles, and we should have around $10-11M in cap room.

[Ringless]

Sportrac currently has the Chiefs 351,113 over the cap with the new tenders done based off the top 51. They have the Chiefs 9,451,353 over with all contracts currently assigned. When the Foles option is declined tomorrow that will free up 6.75m, leaving 6.39 million. The Chiefs, currently have 5.1 million designated for upcoming draft picks from rounds 1-5 which would leave 1.29 million for any other signings in season, or off-season. It seems they still need to create at least another 5-7 million in space to make this work.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Cap space is bs. Teams can work around it. Just ask Denver who cheats it all the time.