Terez Paylor latest Mock. QB or CB.. [Archive]

Chief Roundup

04-14-2017, 07:55 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article144500799.html

12. Browns take QB Trubisky
25. Texans take QB Watson
27. Chiefs take CB Gareon Conley Ohio State

No other QB gets selected in the 1st round.

Coogs

04-14-2017, 07:58 AM

IMO, this is the perfect scenario where if they covet Watson to look to jump Houston instead of letting the draft play out this way.

Chief Roundup

04-14-2017, 08:12 AM

Or say if Arizona or someone wants Mahomes that they would be willing to trade up to get him possibly giving up their next years 1st rounder.

Coogs

04-14-2017, 08:15 AM

Or say if Arizona or someone wants Mahomes that they would be willing to trade up to get him possibly giving up their next years 1st rounder.

Mahomes is still there in this mock, correct?

SAGA45

04-14-2017, 08:15 AM

SAGA45

04-14-2017, 08:22 AM

SAGA45

04-14-2017, 08:23 AM

SAGA45

04-14-2017, 08:25 AM

SAGA45

04-14-2017, 08:28 AM

I don't quite see a first round talent in Conley but have seen a few mocks including Paylor's with the Chiefs taking him at 27. Considering Paylor is a beat writer for the team, I'd wager he's heard some whispers from within the org. But we'll see.

Chief Northman

04-14-2017, 09:10 AM

Not a big Conley fan. His supporting cast padded his stats, namely Hooker and Lattimore.

I like Q. Wilson or F. Moreau as better fits and better players.

BossChief

04-14-2017, 09:32 AM

Absolutely no need to draft a corner in the first round in this draft. Good starters will be available in the third round.

I'll be sick if Mahomes is on the board and we pass to take a corner.

Chief Roundup

04-14-2017, 10:00 AM

Mahomes is still there in this mock, correct?

yes

Chief Roundup

04-14-2017, 10:03 AM

Absolutely no need to draft a corner in the first round in this draft. Good starters will be available in the third round.

I'll be sick if Mahomes is on the board and we pass to take a corner.

The only thing that would make it any better is if we were to trade for a 1st round next year.

The Franchise

04-14-2017, 10:16 AM

The only thing that would make it any better is if we were to trade for a 1st round next year.

lolwut?

Chief Roundup

04-14-2017, 10:19 AM

lolwut?

Reading that now it is poorly worded.
If we don't draft one of the top QBs this year the only thing that would dull the disappointment would be if they ended up trading for a 1st rounder next year. Then at least there would be hope that we would have the ammo or be in a position to get a top QB prospect in the 2018 draft.

RunKC

04-14-2017, 10:19 AM

Absolutely no need to draft a corner in the first round in this draft. Good starters will be available in the third round.

I'll be sick if Mahomes is on the board and we pass to take a corner.

2nd and 3rd rd CB's will be nice #2 CB's.

Awuzie, Conley, King, Jones. These are all #1 caliber CB's.

Looks like OLB or CB is the best talent on the board if we don't go QB.

BossChief

04-14-2017, 10:23 AM

Gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.

Direckshun

04-15-2017, 11:19 AM

I continue to believe we will pass on a QB.

Because we are the Chiefs.

Chief Northman

04-15-2017, 11:26 AM

I continue to believe we will pass on a QB.

Because we are the Chiefs.

I'm starting to believe there won't be any to pass on by the time we pick. I think Watson, Trubisky and Mahomes will be long gone. Not amped about Kizer, Webb or Peterman.

Direckshun

04-15-2017, 02:50 PM

Peterman in the 2nd.

Prepare thy anuses.

ILChief

04-17-2017, 08:49 PM

WTF do people think we need another corner? We have Peters, Mitchell, Nelson, Gaines, White. We're fine there. If they want a mid rounder then ok but it is way down on our list of needs.

We're drafting DT or ILB. We ignore offense.

TambaBerry

04-17-2017, 09:09 PM

Mr. Laz

04-17-2017, 10:36 PM

still there

QB Mahomes
S Peppers
QB Kizer
CB Marlon Humphrey
CB Quincy Williams
LB Zach Cunningham
OT Ryan Ramczyk
DT Malik McDowell
CB Tre'Davious White

El Jefe

04-18-2017, 06:58 AM

Not a big Conley fan. His supporting cast padded his stats, namely Hooker and Lattimore.
I like Q. Wilson or F. Moreau as better fits and better players.

Said no one ever, literally the dumbest thing I have read. Lattimore was targeted a lot throughout the season because no one knew if he would hold up. This was the only year he has been healthy enough to play. Nobody was throwing heavy at Conley. Lattimore was picked on early and often, which he answered the call. If anything, Lattimore and Hooker took stats away from Conley. Conley is not a top 20 pick in my opinion. After 20, I think he is a fantastic pick, he is fast, athletic and intelligent, and he is not afraid of contact.

staylor26

04-18-2017, 10:48 AM

um we need a legitimate 2nd corner

You don't think Mitchell played like a legitimate 2nd corner?

DJ's left nut

04-18-2017, 10:51 AM

They're not taking a CB in the 1st round.

The need isn't there (we have a #1 in a league where maybe half the league can say that) and the depth is too great (there are capable #2 CBs that will be there in the 3rd round).

There is a zero percent chance we go CB in the first, IMO.

DJ's left nut

04-18-2017, 10:53 AM

Said no one ever, literally the dumbest thing I have read. Lattimore was targeted a lot throughout the season because no one knew if he would hold up. This was the only year he has been healthy enough to play. Nobody was throwing heavy at Conley. Lattimore was picked on early and often, which he answered the call. If anything, Lattimore and Hooker took stats away from Conley. Conley is not a top 20 pick in my opinion. After 20, I think he is a fantastic pick, he is fast, athletic and intelligent, and he is not afraid of contact.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/ashlov71/HomerAlert.jpg

RunKC

04-18-2017, 10:54 AM

TambaBerry

04-18-2017, 10:56 AM

You don't think Mitchell played like a legitimate 2nd corner?

For what 4 games or so? Sorry, I can't get excited about a guy we picked up off free agency mid season. I hope he can handle it but if a good cb drops to that pick I wouldn't be pissed.

DJ's left nut

04-18-2017, 11:04 AM

Who would you take if QB isn't an option?

I would say pass rusher...preferably TJ Watt

ILB or even WR. DL and OLB would also be considerations depending on the talent. They're going to have DL shortage in a hurry and Dorsey likes to stay a year ahead. It's not a great draft for 5-techniques but if the right guy is there, that seems like a natural fit.

Meatloaf

04-18-2017, 11:30 AM

ILB or even WR. DL and OLB would also be considerations depending on the talent. They're going to have DL shortage in a hurry and Dorsey likes to stay a year ahead. It's not a great draft for 5-techniques but if the right guy is there, that seems like a natural fit.

DJLN, would Chris Wormley be a consideration? Film on this guy is impressive.

DJ's left nut

04-18-2017, 11:37 AM

DJLN, would Chris Wormley be a consideration? Film on this guy is impressive.

Sure would.

I'm not convinced that's the way I'd go, but there are absolutely scenarios where Wormley would be the best combination of player/need on the board. I don't adhere to a pure BPA philosophy in the 1st round - you have to consider immediate impact as well.

Wormley/Jones bookends could be pretty nasty and if the draft fell in a way where there's no viable QB, Wormley could easily be the most impactful play there for us and there are enough teams that need DL (as well as enough money being paid to merely good ones) that you could say that a trade-back isn't worth the risk of losing him.

He'd be a definite consideration there; certainly ahead of any CBs.

Meatloaf

04-18-2017, 11:48 AM

Sure would.

I'm not convinced that's the way I'd go, but there are absolutely scenarios where Wormley would be the best combination of player/need on the board. I don't adhere to a pure BPA philosophy in the 1st round - you have to consider immediate impact as well.

Wormley/Jones bookends could be pretty nasty and if the draft fell in a way where there's no viable QB, Wormley could easily be the most impactful play there for us and there are enough teams that need DL (as well as enough money being paid to merely good ones) that you could say that a trade-back isn't worth the risk of losing him.

He'd be a definite consideration there; certainly ahead of any CBs.

Seems to me that Wormley has been flying under the radar as per discussions about who the Chiefs could take at 1.27. I think he's a real possibility given Dorsey's penchant for addressing upcoming free agent losses and the fact that both he a Reid seem to favor spending that first selection on linemen.

Another guy I don't hear much discussion about is TJ Watt. The kid is just now growing into his body and given that he's new to the DE/LB position, he had quite a year. I'd view him as another viable 1.27 selection.

RealSNR

04-18-2017, 12:15 PM

Seems to me that Wormley has been flying under the radar as per discussions about who the Chiefs could take at 1.27. I think he's a real possibility given Dorsey's penchant for addressing upcoming free agent losses and the fact that both he a Reid seem to favor spending that first selection on linemen.

Another guy I don't hear much discussion about is TJ Watt. The kid is just now growing into his body and given that he's new to the DE/LB position, he had quite a year. I'd view him as another viable 1.27 selection.

If we passed on a QB, I wouldn't feel too bad about it if TJ Watt was the selection.

DJ's left nut

04-18-2017, 12:19 PM

If we passed on a QB, I wouldn't feel too bad about it if TJ Watt was the selection.

I have to admit that I've intentionally avoided Watt review and pretty much been viscerally opposed to him based on nothing more than his try-hard asshole of a brother and my belief that "TJ IS AWESOME" is at some level a lazy shortcut taken by sportswriters that haven't the time or inclination to give him an in depth review.

I'm going to continue to not give a fuck about him unless we draft him. I can't even begin to speak to a single thing he does/does not do well on a football field.

Mr. Laz

04-18-2017, 04:39 PM

Gaines,Acker and Mitchell are free agents in 2018 and Dorsey likes to plan ahead when drafting, so CB is possible.

We also have a mess at LB going forward.

Ford,March and Wilson are FAs at the LB position next year. DJ and Hali are FAs the year after that, both are older and need to be replaced sooner rather than later.

DJ's left nut

04-18-2017, 04:46 PM

Mitchell's a RFA in '18 though so we can effectively ensure he goes nowhere. Acker doesn't appear to be part of the team's plan anyway and the team seems content with some combination of Nelson/White getting Gaines snaps at this pont.

I think we're a year early for the Chiefs to be going gung-ho at CB. I suspect they'll grab one because I think they view them in much the same way that prior regimes have viewed linebackers - they're versatile and even if they don't become impact starters they can become good STers.

They'll take a CB I'd imagine, but not in the 1st.

kccrow

04-18-2017, 04:54 PM

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/ashlov71/HomerAlert.jpg

Conley's pretty damn good man, us homer's be damned.

DJ's left nut

04-18-2017, 05:01 PM

Conley's pretty damn good man, us homer's be damned.

Oh he may well be.

But the visceral reaction made it pretty clear we had a homer on our hands. I don't know the guy from Adam but that's pretty obviously an Ohio State fan.

kccrow

04-18-2017, 05:03 PM

Oh he may well be.

But the visceral reaction made it pretty clear we had a homer on our hands. I don't know the guy from Adam but that's pretty obviously an Ohio State fan.

You didn't know Jefe and I were OSU fans? Sheeeit. Well, now you know. :)