Andy Reid coming on Mike and Mike right now...

[BossChief]

Go watch

[The Franchise]

Post anything interesting. I'm at work so I can't watch.

[Reerun_KC]

I wonder what's on the buffet?

[Reerun_KC]

I'm sure Andy will have alot on his plate during this interview...

[BossChief]

Compensation doesn't matter if he fits.

Great core strength, mobility, throw from all angles, great accuracy, great vision...inspires people both on field and in organization.

[BossChief]

LOVES the kid.

Already have a great QB

Won't need to play him now, Alex will help Pat on short game at this level.

Had lots of flexibility in draft because roster is strong.

[KCUnited]

:bolt:

[In58men]

Never watch Mike and Mike, but the dude talking is insinuating that Mahomes won't start for a couple years.

[BossChief]

Alex is getting ready to win a Super Bowl and Andy told Alex they were going to go get a QB

[JDKinman]

LOVES the kid.

Already have a great QB

Won't need to play him now, Alex will help Pat on short game at this level.

Had lots of flexibility in draft because roster is strong.

Everything we expect him to say at the point in the juncture.

Good. Good. Good.

Reid is working to manage everyone's expectations.

--JD

[BossChief]

Told Alex early on in the process

[BossChief]

Mcnabb needed a similar transition

Start at ground level

[BossChief]

Needs to teach him to be disciplined without losing

People thought GB was nuts to give up a 1 for Favre...

[In58men]

Told Alex early on in the process

Didn't Smith vouch for Mahomes at one point?

[Fish]

LOVES the kid.

Already have a great QB

Won't need to play him now, Alex will help Pat on short game at this level.

Had lots of flexibility in draft because roster is strong.

LMAO...

Fucking Smith.......

[BossChief]

Reads full field progressions.

Biggest hurdle is learning to rattle off the plays accurately.

Good at changing plays at line, reading defenses

[keg in kc]

Alex will help Pat on short game at this level.LMAO

That just struck me as a hilarious comment.

[BossChief]

Didn't Smith vouch for Mahomes at one point?

Not sure, but Clark Hunt did.

Another unrelated note to this thread is Clark had to OK the trade up and was involved in the process the whole way.

I thought it was interesting to hear that Dorsey needed Clarks OK to trade up using a future first

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/andy-reid-we-love-alex-smith-but-hes-getting-older/

Majority of people in the comment section thinks he has two years left on this team. FWIW.

[keg in kc]

Didn't Smith vouch for Mahomes at one point?There was an article somewhere about how they had all the chiefs QBs watch film on a few of the potential draftees leading up to the draft. And Smith has pretty much said he's all in on helping Mahomes, going so far as calling him after he was drafted.

[The Franchise]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/andy-reid-we-love-alex-smith-but-hes-getting-older/

Majority of people in the comment section thinks he has two years left on this team. FWIW.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m45op20soc1qks11e.gif

[keg in kc]

Not sure, but Clark Hunt did.

Another unrelated note to this thread is Clark had to OK the trade up and was involved in the process the whole way.

I thought it was interesting to hear that Dorsey needed Clarks OK to trade up using a future firstThat's not news at all. It's been that way with both Clark and his father all along. They even talked about it in an article back in 2009 when they brought in Pioli and Haley, and Clark spoke in some detail about how he wanted to shape this frachise based on the Steelers. Including bringing in a young franchise QB, and how involved in trading he would be.

Hey, it only took 8 years.

(I may be combining more than one article in my brain, but it's not a secret at all that Clark has to okay the use of the first round picks)

[Best22]

Anybody who hates Alex Smith is an idiot. Dude has class and plays hard. Lol you want him to "let em hang", but WTH can Smith be a gunslinger when he doesn't have a rocket arm? Deshaun Watson can't be Aaron Rodgers, due to arm talent. It'd be foolish to even try

19 TD and 7 INT is better than 22 TD and 17 INT

And quite frankly, I don't believe Watson has a "higher floor" than Mahomes. Dude had Legget, Williams, Cain, and Renfro, great protection, and he still tossed 17 INT. Kizer intrigued me but I still like Mahomes better.

My Rating on 2017 QB:
Mahomes
Kizer
Trubisky
Watson
Peterman
Dobbs
Kaaya
Webb

[keg in kc]

Anybody who hates Alex Smith is an idiot.I'm not sure I'd go that far.

[carcosa]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/andy-reid-we-love-alex-smith-but-hes-getting-older/

Majority of people in the comment section thinks he has two years left on this team. FWIW.

Citing PFT commenters as if they're experts? lol

[SAUTO]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/andy-reid-we-love-alex-smith-but-hes-getting-older/

Majority of people in the comment section thinks he has two years left on this team. FWIW.

ROFL


who gives a fuck

[Red Dawg]

Not sure, but Clark Hunt did.

Another unrelated note to this thread is Clark had to OK the trade up and was involved in the process the whole way.

I thought it was interesting to hear that Dorsey needed Clarks OK to trade up using a future first

Lamar had the same policy when it involved first round picks. He had to give his approval.

[Fish]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/andy-reid-we-love-alex-smith-but-hes-getting-older/

Majority of people in the comment section thinks he has two years left on this team. FWIW.

Comments section. ROFL

[Red Dawg]

I don't hate Smith myself. He's a total professional and good teammate but I do want him replaced. Mahomes learns for a year and takes over is a good plan. If I'd known this is how it would have turn out I would have put away my Dorsey slamming for bringing him back.

I like the plan and we all should.

[raybec 4]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/andy-reid-we-love-alex-smith-but-hes-getting-older/

Majority of people in the comment section thinks he has two years left on this team. FWIW.

You have to be trolling. This is something Knowmo would post about the Broncos as if it were meaningful.

[Reerun_KC]

Alex tools be trolling today.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The thing is I don't want to dislike Smith. I don't, actually. But Tiger makes it really damn hard not to.

Dude wants Smith to play multiple years so bad. Once Pat spends this 2017 season learning the playbook and getting better with the verbiage, learning how to limit the WTF throws, it is his job all f**king day.

I love hearing that he made full field reads, too. I really think if they do this right he is going to be a star. Needs to develop strongly in '17, and then its go time in KC.

[BigBeauford]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/andy-reid-we-love-alex-smith-but-hes-getting-older/

Majority of people in the comment section thinks he has two years left on this team. FWIW.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/87/dc/2f/87dc2fcc65aa3c029b44e81f43bf782e.gif

[DJ's left nut]

LOVES the kid.

Already have a great QB

Won't need to play him now, Alex will help Pat on short game at this level.

Had lots of flexibility in draft because roster is strong.

http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/vadernoo.jpg

[Tribal Warfare]

http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/vadernoo.jpg

No problem, it's what PMII does on 3rd down that'll separate him from Alex

[Rasputin]

Anybody who hates Alex Smith is and idiot. Dude has class and plays hard. Lol you want him to "let em hang", but WTH can Smith be a gunslinger when he doesn't have a rocket arm? Deshaun Watson can't be Aaron Rodgers, due to arm talent. It'd be foolish to even try

19 TD and 7 INT is better than 22 TD and 17 INT

And quite frankly, I don't believe Watson has a "higher floor" than Mahomes. Dude had Legget, Williams, Cain, and Renfro, great protection, and he still tossed 17 INT. Kizer intrigued me but I still like Mahomes better.

My Rating on 2017 QB:
Mahomes
Kizer
Trubisky
Watson
Peterman
Dobbs
Kaaya
Webb

Fixed your post n00b

God that's annoying.

[DJ's left nut]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/andy-reid-we-love-alex-smith-but-hes-getting-older/

Majority of people in the comment section thinks he has two years left on this team. FWIW.

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/go_away_pirates_caribbean.gif

We're not going to really have to put up with this for 2 more years, are we? It's over. It's finished. Smith's diagnosis is terminal and the best we can do for the patient at this point is to make him comfortable. But really, we should probably just put him out of his misery.

Oh, and I'd imagine the comments section is full of the same fucking retards that said the Chiefs were going to draft a lineman. Or that Nate Peterman was a perfect fit for Andy Reid.

Your brand of fan has a 'type' and that 'type' is usually poorly informed and exceedingly myopic.

[chiefzilla1501]

Keep in mind that Reid hooked his favorite guy McNabb before McNabb was ready to go.

He pulled Kolb, a pure wco guy, for vick we'll before Kolb played his way out of the position.

He pulled vick for Foles when vick started to slump.

So Andy Reid isn't afraid to give a qb the hook. I would bet next year is a legit qb competition. And Alex will have a little more to fight for next year because he could easily be dangled as trade bait and to get tons of cap savings. But that being said, I think mahomes will need to be far along to win that job outright.

[DJ's left nut]

Not sure, but Clark Hunt did.

Another unrelated note to this thread is Clark had to OK the trade up and was involved in the process the whole way.

I thought it was interesting to hear that Dorsey needed Clarks OK to trade up using a future first

That makes at least a little bit of sense. I'd imagine that Dorsey also has something of a signing bonus cap that he has to get approval on.

Think about it - a 1st round pick is a $15 million(ish) expenditure over 4 years. Even if you toss in the 5th year option, for most players you're talking about $6 million/season or so as the cost of the 1st rounder. Well if you that pick hits (and Dorsey has a nice track record), the cost of replacing that 1st rounders production could be upwards of $50 million. So by trading the pick, Dorsey's moved about $25 million or more of surplus value.

An owner is going to look at things in roughly those kind of terms when he's setting his ground rules. So it's easy to say "Yeah, but a cost-controlled QB can recapture all of that value easily", but if I'm Hunt I say "that's fine - you can tell me that when you try to get your approval. Make your argument, but I'm going to at least make you tell me why first" because that's a fair amount of surplus value to trade away and the explanation may not always be so simple.

You make rules for the close calls and those rules are in place even when it's not so close. It makes sense to me.

[Rasputin]

The thing is I don't want to dislike Smith. I don't, actually. But Tiger makes it really damn hard not to.

Dude wants Smith to play multiple years so bad. Once Pat spends this 2017 season learning the playbook and getting better with the verbiage, learning how to limit the WTF throws, it is his job all f**king day.

I love hearing that he made full field reads, too. I really think if they do this right he is going to be a star. Needs to develop strongly in '17, and then its go time in KC.

You know what if they made this a contest for starting job I'd probably bet money that Mahomes would end up with the job. It's not so Alex has no threat again but Mahomes would be/is up for the challenge I believe. I even think next year make em compete for the starting job just to watch Alex Smith lose it out right like I know he would.

[Sandy Vagina]

The thing is I don't want to dislike Smith. I don't, actually. But Tiger makes it really damn hard not to.


That you can't separate your feelings and opinions of Smith as a QB from a few unpopular opinions from disliked posters? I have heard posters admit this for many years.

It says more about you then... and others who admit this... than it does about Tiger or myself.

I mean, how can any opinion you make thereafter have any real credibility? when you yourself state that said opinion is affected by something so unrelated to the actual player and performance?

[DJ's left nut]

The thing is I don't want to dislike Smith. I don't, actually. But Tiger makes it really damn hard not to.

Dude wants Smith to play multiple years so bad. Once Pat spends this 2017 season learning the playbook and getting better with the verbiage, learning how to limit the WTF throws, it is his job all f**king day.

I love hearing that he made full field reads, too. I really think if they do this right he is going to be a star. Needs to develop strongly in '17, and then its go time in KC.

I think it was a Peter King article that showed his pocket presence and willingness to keep his eyes upfield when a play breaks down.

It's outstanding. When I was talking myself into Webb I noticed that he had a tendency to bring his eyes down early and do that turtle shit that you'll see Smith do too often (Smith will often run straight ahead into his own lineman before bouncing around him; not always, but you notice the tendency most when he does) where he just tucks his head down, runs forward and then starts looking for a running lane.

Mahomes will occasionally feel pressure sooner than I'd like but what I noticed was that when he feels that pressure, it's innate. And when it happens, he's still looking downfield and moving laterally or at worst climbing the pocket looking for another target.

Mahomes is much slower to give up on a play. Sometimes that gets him in trouble but he's constantly reading the field and looking for guys. Now I know that's not the same as standing tall in the pocket and going through progressions but you either have field vision or you don't. Mahomes demonstrates it best during scramble drills. When his pocket is clean and he's throwing on time, the offense tends to make additional progressions unnecessary so you don't see it all that often on the 'regular' plays. But there's no question the ability is there.

I'm ordering my Chinese knock-off as soon as camp opens and the kid has a number. I'm more excited about Mahomes than I've been about anyone since DJ (and frankly, I'm almost certainly more excited about Mahomes long-term but that delayed gratification is a killer...)

[carcosa]

:bolt:

It was a HUGE load. Had the color and consistency of BBQ sauce.

[DJ's left nut]

Keep in mind that Reid hooked his favorite guy McNabb before McNabb was ready to go.

He pulled Kolb, a pure wco guy, for vick we'll before Kolb played his way out of the position.

He pulled vick for Foles when vick started to slump.

So Andy Reid isn't afraid to give a qb the hook. I would bet next year is a legit qb competition. And Alex will have a little more to fight for next year because he could easily be dangled as trade bait and to get tons of cap savings. But that being said, I think mahomes will need to be far along to win that job outright.

Alex is who he is. Reid has spent 2-3 years trying to get him to be more aggressive and ultimately it's just not something Smith has in his crayon box. He's not cut out of for it.

Reid knows that his legacy as an all-time NFL coach is dependent on winning a championship and he just announced that he thinks Mahomes is his best shot. If he truly thought Smith was a good bet to win a title, he'd have pushed all in with the next 2 first rounders to grab guys that can prop Smith up.

Reid and Dorsey announced very loudly with this pick (and the trade-up cost) what they think of Alex Smith and his ability to win a championship. It ain't glowing. Smith isn't going to change even with Mahomes pushing him so while I don't think it's likely, I do think it's possible that Mahomes supplants him. The issue will be timing - if you're on a playoff course, it's hard to change QBs. If you aren't, is that really the environment you want to introduce Mahomes to - an underachieving squad seeking a 'savior'? It'll exacerbate his hero-ball tendencies.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I think it was a Peter King article that showed his pocket presence and willingness to keep his eyes upfield when a play breaks down.

It's outstanding. When I was talking myself into Webb I noticed that he had a tendency to bring his eyes down early and do that turtle shit that you'll see Smith do too often (Smith will often run straight ahead into his own lineman before bouncing around him; not always, but you notice the tendency most when he does) where he just tucks his head down, runs forward and then starts looking for a running lane.

Mahomes will occasionally feel pressure sooner than I'd like but what I noticed was that when he feels that pressure, it's innate. And when it happens, he's still looking downfield and moving laterally or at worst climbing the pocket looking for another target.

Mahomes is much slower to give up on a play. Sometimes that gets him in trouble but he's constantly reading the field and looking for guys. Now I know that's not the same as standing tall in the pocket and going through progressions but you either have field vision or you don't. Mahomes demonstrates it best during scramble drills. When his pocket is clean and he's throwing on time, the offense tends to make additional progressions unnecessary so you don't see it all that often on the 'regular' plays. But there's no question the ability is there.

I'm ordering my Chinese knock-off as soon as camp opens and the kid has a number. I'm more excited about Mahomes than I've been about anyone since DJ (and frankly, I'm almost certainly more excited about Mahomes long-term but that delayed gratification is a killer...)

That's where I see the Rodgers comp come into play. When both get out of the pocket, their eyes are up the entire time. They only run if no one is open. Some of the throws those guys make to receivers who are seemingly out of sight is just crazy. Part of that is just having the arm to do it, but they add the part of actually finding the receiver.

Also, what site do you use for the cheap jerseys? I have always thought about ordering one that way, but I don't know who is reliable..

[Mr. Plow]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/andy-reid-we-love-alex-smith-but-hes-getting-older/

Majority of people in the comment section thinks he has two years left on this team. FWIW.

LMAO

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Citing PFT commenters as if they're experts? lol

So wait, your lonely comment exceeds their opinion? Ok guy, ok.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

That you can't separate your feelings and opinions of Smith as a QB from a few unpopular opinions from disliked posters? I have heard posters admit this for many years.

It says more about you then... and others who admit this... than it does about Tiger or myself.

I mean, how can any opinion you make thereafter have any real credibility? when you yourself state that said opinion is affected by something so unrelated to the actual player and performance?

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with Smith. He's done everything he was supposed to do for us. But having him shoved down our throat on here daily is really, really old.

At some point Tigger has to be a realist and see the damn plan that is in motion in Kansas City. It doesn't include Alex Smith in 2018, right now.

[DJ's left nut]

That's where I see the Rodgers comp come into play. When both get out of the pocket, their eyes are up the entire time. They only run if no one is open. Some of the throws those guys make to receivers who are seemingly out of sight is just crazy. Part of that is just having the arm to do it, but they add the part of actually finding the receiver.

Also, what site do you use for the cheap jerseys? I have always thought about ordering one that way, but I don't know who is reliable..

I haven't bought one in awhile but aliexpress used to be a pretty good source. You just punch in what you're after and it spits out a bunch of options. Then you comb through them to find a seller you think is reputable enough to throw $30 at.

[Best22]

I expect Mahomes to start in 2018. Alex Smith isn't worth 17 mil. We could get Mahomes alot of help for all that coin

[Sandy Vagina]

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with Smith. He's done everything he was supposed to do for us. But having him shoved down our throat on here daily is really, really old.

At some point Tigger has to be a realist and see the damn plan that is in motion in Kansas City. It doesn't include Alex Smith in 2018, right now.

Yeah, that's cool. Not really sure why he's pushing so hard for more than 1 yr. Ideally, and not looking finances, it probably would be better for Mahomes.. and therefore the Chiefs.. if he sat for 2... maybe a higher chance for a SB or more beyond 2019..

.. but I get the urge to get him in there earlier.. financially, and just more exciting.

[Hoover]

Anyone mention Andy's fondness for meatball subs mentioned in the interview?

[Rasputin]

I think it was a Peter King article that showed his pocket presence and willingness to keep his eyes upfield when a play breaks down.

It's outstanding. When I was talking myself into Webb I noticed that he had a tendency to bring his eyes down early and do that turtle shit that you'll see Smith do too often (Smith will often run straight ahead into his own lineman before bouncing around him; not always, but you notice the tendency most when he does) where he just tucks his head down, runs forward and then starts looking for a running lane.

Mahomes will occasionally feel pressure sooner than I'd like but what I noticed was that when he feels that pressure, it's innate. And when it happens, he's still looking downfield and moving laterally or at worst climbing the pocket looking for another target.

Mahomes is much slower to give up on a play. Sometimes that gets him in trouble but he's constantly reading the field and looking for guys. Now I know that's not the same as standing tall in the pocket and going through progressions but you either have field vision or you don't. Mahomes demonstrates it best during scramble drills. When his pocket is clean and he's throwing on time, the offense tends to make additional progressions unnecessary so you don't see it all that often on the 'regular' plays. But there's no question the ability is there.

I'm ordering my Chinese knock-off as soon as camp opens and the kid has a number. I'm more excited about Mahomes than I've been about anyone since DJ (and frankly, I'm almost certainly more excited about Mahomes long-term but that delayed gratification is a killer...)

I'd hate to use a rapist as a comparison but Ben Rapenburger has skills to extend plays and look down field so I can see some of that in Mahomes II and Rapistburger won a Super Bowl his second year and the job was his rookie season. So I'm not sold that Mahomes has to wait a year to learn from Alex Smith. Learn the playbook and his reads and progressions listen to the coaches and teammates and get on the field it will come natural to him it's his sport he loves.

[Sannyasi]

The thing is I don't want to dislike Smith. I don't, actually. But Tiger makes it really damn hard not to.

Dude wants Smith to play multiple years so bad. Once Pat spends this 2017 season learning the playbook and getting better with the verbiage, learning how to limit the WTF throws, it is his job all f**king day.

I love hearing that he made full field reads, too. I really think if they do this right he is going to be a star. Needs to develop strongly in '17, and then its go time in KC.

Now that we have Mahomes I've been able to make my peace with Alex. He's the best QB we've had since Green, and was able to get us over the hump and win us a playoff game. His style of play is unorthodox but still pretty effective. He wasn't the guy to take us to a Super Bowl but I think people will by and large have fond memories of him once he's gone.

[Coogs]

Alex is who he is. Reid has spent 2-3 years trying to get him to be more aggressive and ultimately it's just not something Smith has in his crayon box. He's not cut out of for it.

Reid knows that his legacy as an all-time NFL coach is dependent on winning a championship and he just announced that he thinks Mahomes is his best shot. If he truly thought Smith was a good bet to win a title, he'd have pushed all in with the next 2 first rounders to grab guys that can prop Smith up.

Reid and Dorsey announced very loudly with this pick (and the trade-up cost) what they think of Alex Smith and his ability to win a championship. It ain't glowing. Smith isn't going to change even with Mahomes pushing him so while I don't think it's likely, I do think it's possible that Mahomes supplants him. The issue will be timing - if you're on a playoff course, it's hard to change QBs. If you aren't, is that really the environment you want to introduce Mahomes to - an underachieving squad seeking a 'savior'? It'll exacerbate his hero-ball tendencies.
Ironically, it was the 49ers with Smith that was on a playoff course at 6-2 when Harbaugh opted for a change. Not sure how that change went over with all of the players, but Crabtree was almost giddy with the switch.

[carcosa]

So wait, your lonely comment exceeds their opinion? Ok guy, ok.

lmao

[chiefzilla1501]

So wait, your lonely comment exceeds their opinion? Ok guy, ok.

The comment of a chiefs fan well exceeds the opinion of an NFL fan commenting on the Chiefs. I've seen so many comments outside of kc questioning why the Chiefs would take a qb, not even acknowledging that Alex Smith will be 33 going into the season with two years left and 1 year before its voidable.

[raybec 4]

I'd hate to use a rapist as a comparison but Ben Rapenburger has skills to extend plays and look down field so I can see some of that in Mahomes II and Rapistburger won a Super Bowl his second year and the job was his rookie season. So I'm not sold that Mahomes has to wait a year to learn from Alex Smith. Learn the playbook and his reads and progressions listen to the coaches and teammates and get on the field it will come natural to him it's his sport he loves.

Alex is a much more capable quarterback than Tommy Maddox was. If Alex gets hurt, Mahomes will be the guy but other than that it's Alex's team in '17.

[carcosa]

Alex is a much more capable quarterback than Tommy Maddox was. If Alex gets hurt, Mahomes will be the guy but other than that it's Alex's team in '17.

Ahem, that's XFL MVP Tommy Maddox to you.

[keg in kc]

He Hate Me!

[oldman]

Now that we have Mahomes I've been able to make my peace with Alex. He's the best QB we've had since Green, and was able to get us over the hump and win us a playoff game. His style of play is unorthodox but still pretty effective. He wasn't the guy to take us to a Super Bowl but I think people will by and large have fond memories of him once he's gone.

I think this is a pretty good way of looking at it. Considering the dumpster fires we had at the QB position after Green, Smith probably was the right QB at the right time for the Chiefs.

[oldman]

If Alex gets hurt, Mahomes will be the guy but other than that it's Alex's team in '17.

He'll be the guy when Andy says he is. I think if Smith does get hurt, Bray will get the call, at least in the early part of the season.

[Willie Lanier]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/87/dc/2f/87dc2fcc65aa3c029b44e81f43bf782e.gif

ROFL

Great gif

[vailpass]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/87/dc/2f/87dc2fcc65aa3c029b44e81f43bf782e.gif

LMAO

[kcchiefsus]

Keep in mind that Reid hooked his favorite guy McNabb before McNabb was ready to go.

He pulled Kolb, a pure wco guy, for vick we'll before Kolb played his way out of the position.

He pulled vick for Foles when vick started to slump.

So Andy Reid isn't afraid to give a qb the hook. I would bet next year is a legit qb competition. And Alex will have a little more to fight for next year because he could easily be dangled as trade bait and to get tons of cap savings. But that being said, I think mahomes will need to be far along to win that job outright.

Fuck that. Cut Smith and save $20 million.

[Buehler445]

Reads full field progressions.
Biggest hurdle is learning to rattle off the plays accurately.

Good at changing plays at line, reading defenses

Woah.

Fucking WOAH.

If this is truth and not bullfuckingshit, that is incredible. Smith is done by game 6 if this is actually truth.

Reading D and progression is what spread QBs struggle with. If he doesn't, watch the fuck out.

I acknowledge that it is probably bullshit, but goddamn, if it isn't? Woah.

[The Franchise]

Woah.

Fucking WOAH.

If this is truth and not bullfuckingshit, that is incredible. Smith is done by game 6 if this is actually truth.

Reading D and progression is what spread QBs struggle with. If he doesn't, watch the fuck out.

I acknowledge that it is probably bullshit, but goddamn, if it isn't? Woah.

He isn't your normal Texas Tech QB. People are going to learn that really fucking quick.

[Rasputin]

Woah.

Fucking WOAH.

If this is truth and not bullfuckingshit, that is incredible. Smith is done by game 6 if this is actually truth.

Reading D and progression is what spread QBs struggle with. If he doesn't, watch the fuck out.

I acknowledge that it is probably bullshit, but goddamn, if it isn't? Woah.

I all ready believe in this kid and think he is super smart so I believe he can do it. I really think if they let him suit up for games he is going be on Andy Reid like toast lands on the floor butter side. This kid is the ultimate competitor and do what ever is asked and then some. I don't see how they will keep him off the field for the year. I don't think 6 or 8 games for him to take over is unreasonable achievement.

[DaWolf]

Keep in mind that Reid hooked his favorite guy McNabb before McNabb was ready to go.

He pulled Kolb, a pure wco guy, for vick we'll before Kolb played his way out of the position.

He pulled vick for Foles when vick started to slump.

So Andy Reid isn't afraid to give a qb the hook. I would bet next year is a legit qb competition. And Alex will have a little more to fight for next year because he could easily be dangled as trade bait and to get tons of cap savings. But that being said, I think mahomes will need to be far along to win that job outright.

Andy's actions are more important than his words. According to his words, everyone is the greatest. Hell he even went out of his way to compliment Jon Baldwin before shipping him off. The fact that they traded away a 1 next year to get this kid means that they want him to start as soon as he is ready. He kind of slipped in the offseason when he told some media outlet about Smith that he wishes he had been able to get his hands on him and mold him early in his career. Which tells me that Andy is realizing there's only so much coaching up you can do with Alex at this point and he was looking for a blank canvas to coach up from day 1...

[Buehler445]

He isn't your normal Texas Tech QB. People are going to learn that really fucking quick.

Right, it's not just TT, its Everybody not named, what, Alabama?

Maybe LSU? Does LSU run offense that isn't a run play?

USC? We all know how that has worked out.

What school is putting out QBs that forces QBs to read defense?

[raybec 4]

Right, it's not just TT, its Everybody not named, what, Alabama?

Maybe LSU? Does LSU run offense that isn't a run play?

USC? We all know how that has worked out.

What school is putting out QBs that forces QBs to read defense?

With all the love Peterman was getting maybe Pitt. Or The North West Central Wisconsin Jackalopes have a pro style offense.

[tk13]

Woah.

Fucking WOAH.

If this is truth and not bullfuckingshit, that is incredible. Smith is done by game 6 if this is actually truth.

Reading D and progression is what spread QBs struggle with. If he doesn't, watch the fuck out.

I acknowledge that it is probably bullshit, but goddamn, if it isn't? Woah.

This was a huge reason they'd picked​ him over Watson. He can read defenses and make calls at the line of scrimmage. I'm not worried at all about him picking up the game. It's all about footwork and decision making. I don't think he'll need a whole year to learn the speed of the game. He seems pretty sharp. He just has to learn not to be a gun slinger 100% of the time.

[Buehler445]

With all the love Peterman was getting maybe Pitt. Or The North West Central Wisconsin Jackalopes have a pro style offense.

Yeah.

Fucking WOAH.

[penbrook]

It's gonna take a year or two just to learn the playbook

[Rasputin]

Andy's actions are more important than his words. According to his words, everyone is the greatest. Hell he even went out of his way to compliment Jon Baldwin before shipping him off. The fact that they traded away a 1 next year to get this kid means that they want him to start as soon as he is ready. He kind of slipped in the offseason when he told some media outlet about Smith that he wishes he had been able to get his hands on him and mold him early in his career. Which tells me that Andy is realizing there's only so much coaching up you can do with Alex at this point and he was looking for a blank canvas to coach up from day 1...

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[Direckshun]

Is it just me, or does Dorsey/Reid reeeeeeeeally seem to be pushing the Favre comparisons?

[Rasputin]

Is it just me, or does Dorsey/Reid reeeeeeeeally seem to be pushing the Favre comparisons?

I think they want something in between Brett Frafarver and Alex Smitt so that Pat Mahomes II has best of both realms on his approach because he is a loose cannon that just needs to be toned down a couple notches so he doesn't get carried away on a stretcher or throw too many ints for Andy Reid liking but still take his shots when ever it looks good.


His success is going come from 3rd downs and deep balls.

Andy likes to throw it on first second and third downs so there will be plenty of opportunity for the kid to play his game.

[Direckshun]

Yeah, didn't Favre end his team's season like four consecutive seasons in a row by tossing an interception on his final pass?

[Rasputin]

Yeah, didn't Favre end his team's season like four consecutive seasons in a row by tossing an interception on his final pass?

Yeah something like that indeed. That's the point of him returning because he didn't want end his career on INT kind of funny really LMAO

[Fish]

This was a huge reason they'd picked​ him over Watson. He can read defenses and make calls at the line of scrimmage. I'm not worried at all about him picking up the game. It's all about footwork and decision making. I don't think he'll need a whole year to learn the speed of the game. He seems pretty sharp. He just has to learn not to be a gun slinger 100% of the time.

I feel the same. I understand why the coaches are saying what they are. But Mahomes looks to me like somebody who could step in and not be completely overwhelmed to the point of ruination.

[The Franchise]

I feel the same. I understand why the coaches are saying what they are. But Mahomes looks to me like somebody who could step in and not be completely overwhelmed to the point of ruination.

You'd double the amount of INTs that Smith throws....but you'd damn sure double the TDs. I can fucking live with that.

[RippedmyFlesh]

That you can't separate your feelings and opinions of Smith as a QB from a few unpopular opinions from disliked posters? I have heard posters admit this for many years.

It says more about you then... and others who admit this... than it does about Tiger or myself.

I mean, how can any opinion you make thereafter have any real credibility? when you yourself state that said opinion is affected by something so unrelated to the actual player and performance?

What you 2 dumbfucks dont get is we know it doesnt work. Before you were just a cum stain kc tried it. Joe fucking Montana didnt work how the fuck was alex smith gonna work?

[Rasputin]

You'd double the amount of INTs that Smith throws....but you'd damn sure double the TDs. I can fucking live with that.

I want Trent Green to spend time with Patrick and be his guide on running an effective offense.

[tk13]

You'd double the amount of INTs that Smith throws....but you'd damn sure double the TDs. I can fucking live with that.

That's fun to watch but that really doesn't work either. Once you get to the end and you have to face a Brady or Brees or Rodgers, you're dead. That's why even Favre only won one title, or a guy like Stafford hasn't made it far. If you look at Farve's title run, he actually didn't throw for a ton of yards, he was very efficient, didn't turn the ball over much.

[kcxiv]

That's fun to watch but that really doesn't work either. Once you get to the end and you have to face a Brady or Brees or Rodgers, you're dead. That's why even Favre only won one title, or a guy like Stafford hasn't made it far. If you look at Farve's title run, he actually didn't throw for a ton of yards, he was very efficient, didn't turn the ball over much.

ill take only 1 title. over absolutely fucking nothing that i have seen from this team in my 40 years on this planet.

[WhawhaWhat]

Donovan McNabb was 33 years old during his last season with Andy Reid. Alex Smith turns 33 on Sunday.

[Sandy Vagina]

What you 2 dumb****s dont get is we know it doesnt work. Before you were just a cum stain kc tried it. Joe ****ing Montana didnt work how the **** was alex smith gonna work?

Do you even know wtf we were talking about? lol

You quoted a conversation specifically about how a few forum poster's opinions and delivering of said opinions can actually make another person dislike the football player that these opinions relate to.

so... what are you babbling about then?

[RippedmyFlesh]

That's fun to watch but that really doesn't work either. Once you get to the end and you have to face a Brady or Brees or Rodgers, you're dead. That's why even Favre only won one title, or a guy like Stafford hasn't made it far. If you look at Farve's title run, he actually didn't throw for a ton of yards, he was very efficient, didn't turn the ball over much.

The point you miss is every year Favre played they were a super bowl contender. Dilfer didnt make his teams a sb contender for years even though they both got 1 ring.

[Sandy Vagina]

That's fun to watch but that really doesn't work either. Once you get to the end and you have to face a Brady or Brees or Rodgers, you're dead. That's why even Favre only won one title, or a guy like Stafford hasn't made it far. If you look at Farve's title run, he actually didn't throw for a ton of yards, he was very efficient, didn't turn the ball over much.

I think with Reid and Alex's handling of these crucial game situations leaves such a thin margin for error... or not just error, but the missed opportunities are simply that much more crucial. Whether it be a few bad receiver drops... a RB that can't get 3rd and short conversions.. or a QB that totally misses the wide open WR downfield.

These missed opportunities are not any (or much) different than what happens to any team... but the way the Chiefs play? they have such a small margin of error that they just can't miss many.

That, to me.. is not ALL about the QB.. but about the way Andy Reid chooses to coordinate his efforts.

We can then argue over whether Andy likes his dink and dunk, lean on conservative and defense/STs... or whether he feels it's a must because of who the QB is. That is somewhat debatable. My argument for it being more the former.. is in their willingness to praise and hold onto ( keep paying big bucks to ) Smith.

:shrug:

I do think they are NOW feeling more confident in the WRs and pass pro OL...

so silly me.. yet again the homer.. am hoping for more of an attacking offense.

[DJ's left nut]

That's fun to watch but that really doesn't work either. Once you get to the end and you have to face a Brady or Brees or Rodgers, you're dead. That's why even Favre only won one title, or a guy like Stafford hasn't made it far. If you look at Farve's title run, he actually didn't throw for a ton of yards, he was very efficient, didn't turn the ball over much.

There's an element of truth to that.

But if you take a thoroughbred that can't be saddled and work with it until you can, sooner or later you may get something that you can win a race with.

If you take an old plowhorse and throw a saddle on its back, your only real bet is hoping that the competition dies in the starting gates.

That's pretty much what we've been trying to do - win via attrition and luck. Because that plowhorse isn't going to actually break at the bell and win one on his own merits. Alex Smith isn't going to take this team to a championship by playing great football for 3-4 weeks in January/February. He's going to have to hope that the front-runners stumble. But even that wasn't good enough when the Steelers scored zero touchdowns at Arrowhead. No, Alex pretty much needs them euthanized on the track (I give you - Brian Hoyer).

Go break in the thoroughbred. Maybe it works, maybe it won't. But there's the clay you need for an actual champion there.

[Frosty]

Alex definitely didn't seem right last season. I don't know if it's age or the not-a-concussion-but-totally-a-concussion he got against Indy, but it didn't look good. Lost them two games with god awful ints in the red zone (Titans and Bucs), tried to shit down his leg at the Raiders, though Tyreek bailed him out, and looked like shit against Pittsburgh.

Andy has to be concerned. If that continues, or he regresses even more, I think you'll see PM2 sometime late this season. Kind of like McNabb starting from week 10 on during his rookie year.

[BossChief]

Guys, you should probably get used to the idea that Alex will probably be in KC the next 2 years.

Andy won't cut him. They are friends and Andy wants to win with him.

Next years QB class is probably going to be pretty good, so it's doubtful someone is going to trade a premium pick for Alex at 35 years old.

If Alex doesn't retire, he will be on the roster in 2018 and we will get a comp pick for him the year after he hits FA.

[jd1020]

If Reid wanted or even thought he could win with Alex he wouldn't have spent this year and next year's first round pick on a QB that is the polar opposite of Smith.

Not even in the universe of Alex's best season with no QB behind him, let alone a QB that cost two 1st round picks, does it make sense to use $20.6M of your cap on him.

[O.city]

Theres 17 million reasons the chiefs will be moving on from smith next year.

[DJ's left nut]

Guys, you should probably get used to the idea that Alex will probably be in KC the next 2 years.

Andy won't cut him. They are friends and Andy wants to win with him.

Next years QB class is probably going to be pretty good, so it's doubtful someone is going to trade a premium pick for Alex at 35 years old.

If Alex doesn't retire, he will be on the roster in 2019 and we will get a comp pick for him the year after he hits FA.

No chance. If Mahomes can give them 95% of what Smith can, Reid's not gonna let 'friendship' suck up 10% of his salary cap. They move on from him and take that massive chunk of freed up space and use it to extend a young player or two and/or add pieces that can help Mahomes win.

I really think people are losing track of Reid's place in history right now. Reid wants that championship BADLY. It will cement his place among the NFL's top 10 coaches of all time and I think he understands that.

He's not going to put Alex Smith ahead of his chance to get his OWN championship. This isn't a guy that's won one and now is out to do Alex Smith a solid. If eliminating Alex Smith from the roster and replacing him with $17 million worth of talent while Mahomes takes over gets us closer to a championship than the alternative, that's exactly what Andy Reid will do.

The only way Smith is back is if Mahomes simply doesn't progress like they hoped he would. I'll say that's unlikely.

[DJ's left nut]

If Reid wanted or even thought he could win with Alex he wouldn't have spent this year and next year's first round pick on a QB that is the polar opposite of Smith.

Yeah, Bosschief just went full Tigger.

Never go full Tigger.

[O.city]

Cutting smith allows you to potentially lock up peters a year early

[DJ's left nut]

If Reid wanted or even thought he could win with Alex he wouldn't have spent this year and next year's first round pick on a QB that is the polar opposite of Smith.

Not even in the universe of Alex's best season with no QB behind him, let alone a QB that cost two 1st round picks, does it make sense to use $20.6M of your cap on him.

Cutting smith allows you to potentially lock up peters a year early

What if Allen Robinson hits FA? He'll be 24 years old and has genuine superstar potential. Cut Smith and pair a 24 yr old veteran with 4 years of experience and a 1,400 yard season under his belt with Mahomes...

Uh...yeah, that's a pretty good reason to move on from Alex Smith. True, they probably franchise him, but Telvin Smith is a FA next year as well so maybe they decide to tag Smith instead, who knows?

Deandre Hopkins. Joeckel, Ogletree, Ansah, Moncreif, Ingram, Butler, Vaccaro...

There are always some guys that can help. Even beyond the big name tier (which, given the need to retain some guys like Peters, perhaps Ford, etc...; maybe we should be avoiding), there will be solid middle-tier players that we could grab 2 or 3 of with that money.

And if they don't, they'll just pocket it, roll it over and it will be a MASSIVE boost to their efforts to eventually re-sign guys.

No, sentiment will not keep Alex Smith on this team. If Mahomes can play, Smith is gone.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

I know these are two completely different cases and mental capabilities, but Tyler Bray had just started to fully understand the playbook after this season (he said this in an interview some point earlier this year). I think Pat may take a full two years for him to master the playbook to an acceptable level of Andy's standards.

[Beef Supreme]

I know these are two completely different cases and mental capabilities, but Tyler Bray had just started to fully understand the playbook after this season (he said this in an interview some point earlier this year). I think Pat may take a full two years for him to master the playbook to an acceptable level of Andy's standards.

Pat was a 4.0 GPA National Honor's Student. I don't know about Bray, but I'm gonna guess he wasn't.

[DJ's left nut]

I know these are two completely different cases and mental capabilities, but Tyler Bray had just started to fully understand the playbook after this season (he said this in an interview some point earlier this year). I think Pat may take a full two years for him to master the playbook to an acceptable level of Andy's standards.

Tyler Bray is dumb as a shoe.

He's Laz with a strong arm. Moreover, since they squirreled him away on the IR, he wasn't able to go get the practice reps with the squad that Mahomes can get as a roster player.

Seriously, Bray taking 3 years to pick up on the playbook should surprise nobody, especially since he couldn't get any reps for the first 2. He was a 1st round talent who was so dense that he went undrafted. Chad Kelly didn't even manage to go undrafted.

These aren't even remotely analogous situations.

[jd1020]

I know these are two completely different cases and mental capabilities, but Tyler Bray had just started to fully understand the playbook after this season (he said this in an interview some point earlier this year). I think Pat may take a full two years for him to master the playbook to an acceptable level of Andy's standards.

Wasn't there a report out there that Mahomes was tested by the Chiefs and their terminology and he did very well in the short time they had him predraft? Probably a reason, besides the arm talent, that they made it a point to go out and get the kid no matter the cost.

We are talking about a kid who changed sports from baseball to football because he found his true love and wants to be great at it, and he just so happened to be a 4.0 student.

Then on the other hand we have Bray who wants to party and tattoo'd his name on his back in case he forgot after he woke up from coma following a binge.

I think Mahomes will grasp the necessary requirements long before dipshit Bray.

[Rasputin]

Guys, you should probably get used to the idea that Alex will probably be in KC the next 2 years.

Andy won't cut him. They are friends and Andy wants to win with him.

Next years QB class is probably going to be pretty good, so it's doubtful someone is going to trade a premium pick for Alex at 35 years old.

If Alex doesn't retire, he will be on the roster in 2018 and we will get a comp pick for him the year after he hits FA.

Friendship is one thing but they both know and Andy will say it business is business. It won't be any hard feelings because Andy is his friend and will talk about behind closed doors while Alex rubs his belly after Andy finishes off a side of ribs of a cow. I really think Andy just wants Alex around because of his professionalism to mentor the eventual job owner of what Alex is only for the time being. Even if Alex is on the roster in 2018 it will be of a back up roll to be supportive for the coach and his replacement.

[DJ's left nut]

Friendship is one thing but they both know and Andy will say it business is business. It won't be any hard feelings because Andy is his friend and will talk about behind closed doors while Alex rubs his belly after Andy finishes off a side of ribs of a cow. I really think Andy just wants Alex around because of his professionalism to mentor the eventual job owner of what Alex is only for the time being. Even if Alex is on the roster in 2018 it will be of a back up roll to be supportive for the coach and his replacement.

You don't have to apologize to a guy for making him your starting quarterback for 5 years just because you didn't make it 6.

Reid will owe Smith nothing.

[siberian khatru]

Pat was a 4.0 GPA National Honor's Student. I don't know about Bray, but I'm gonna guess he wasn't.

Tyler's definitely more of a right-brain kinda guy:

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[T-post Tom]

Smith will be a Cleveland Brown in 2018. All their young QBs should fail by then, if history is any indicator. :)

[Rasputin]

You don't have to apologize to a guy for making him your starting quarterback for 5 years just because you didn't make it 6.

Reid will owe Smith nothing.

I agree but that won't stop Andy Reid having Alex rub his belly after eating a side of ribs dripped in KC bbq sauce.

[Pitt Gorilla]

NSFW.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

Tyler Bray is dumb as a shoe.

He's Laz with a strong arm. Moreover, since they squirreled him away on the IR, he wasn't able to go get the practice reps with the squad that Mahomes can get as a roster player.

Seriously, Bray taking 3 years to pick up on the playbook should surprise nobody, especially since he couldn't get any reps for the first 2. He was a 1st round talent who was so dense that he went undrafted. Chad Kelly didn't even manage to go undrafted.

These aren't even remotely analogous situations.

I can dig this. Bray is the only other QB I could compare him with since we're talking about a guy who's been here since he was a rookie and he actually stated how long of a timeline it took for him. So whether or not they're parallel comparisons wasnt necessarily my intention, it was more so "here's somewhat of a benchmark to measure against".

If it took Bray 4 years to get this, I still think it'll be tricky to get Mahomes 100% comfortable with the playbook in roughly 450-ish days. I hope he does though, that cap space would be invaluable to securing this teams long-term success.

[T-post Tom]

Pat was a 4.0 GPA National Honor's Student. I don't know about Bray, but I'm gonna guess he wasn't.

Wonderlic Test for QB's

Alex Smith, Utah: 40 (Edit: Thanks 'notorious'.)

Tyler Bray, Tennessee: 24

Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech: 24

Ryan Fitzpatrick, Harvard: 48

[notorious]

Combine their scores and you get up to Alex's range.

[jd1020]

Wonderlic Test for QB's

Alex Smith, Utah: 40

Tyler Bray, Tennessee: 24

Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech: 24

Brett Favre, Southern Mississippi: 22

Mahomes more like Brett Favre than Alex Smith confirmed.

[Sandy Vagina]

I seem to agree with most saying friendship (or whatever you want to call it) will not make a difference here.

Alex is no dummy, and he knows the end is near. I dare say he would have retired already, but his closeness with Andy and teammates made him feel like he needed to stick around to bridge the QB gap for 2018.

People will snicker and joke about me saying this.. and I know it's important for some to feel that Smith is getting kicked rudely to the curb (bitter, petty vengeance!).. but it's just the kind of dude he is. He will stick around another year.. give good but not reckless effort (like always since the Colts game), and that will be that.

I still think the Chiefs can win a SB with him.. but they can't brokedick their way there.. and they (Alex and Andy both) will have to take some real aggression into the postseason.

[T-post Tom]

Brett Favre, Southern Mississippi: 22

Mahomes more like Brett Favre than Alex Smith confirmed.

22 = dic pic level.

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[DRM08]

Wonderlic Test for QB's

Alex Smith, Utah: 40 (Edit: Thanks 'notorious'.)

Tyler Bray, Tennessee: 24

Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech: 24

Ryan Fitzpatrick, Harvard: 48

Here are some surprising examples I found. Kaepernick scored 38 and Brady 33. Peyton Manning scored 28 and Eli Manning scored 39. Drew Brees and Russell Wilson also scored a 28. Meanwhile Johnny Manziel scored 32.

[DJ's left nut]

22 = dic pic level.


24 = smart enough to send it with a burner phone.

That's a pro move right there.

[Sandy Vagina]

Not at all concerned about Mahomes' lic number. If he's as hard working and determined as advertised... and if he doesn't let hype and early success go to his head.. He can have a bright future, I'd guess.

[hometeam]

Here are some surprising examples I found. Kaepernick scored 38 and Brady 33. Peyton Manning scored 28 and Eli Manning scored 39. Drew Brees and Russell Wilson also scored a 28. Meanwhile Johnny Manziel scored 32.

sooo Wonderlic doesnt make a Wonder**** of difference? Got it.

[Rasputin]

Wonderlic Test for QB's

Alex Smith, Utah: 40 (Edit: Thanks 'notorious'.)

Tyler Bray, Tennessee: 24

Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech: 24

Ryan Fitzpatrick, Harvard: 48

How did that 48 score help Ryan Fitzpatrick keep from throwing 6 INT against the Chiefs with the Jetsss?

[Easy 6]

Won't need to play him now, Alex will help Pat on short game at this level

Funny that he only mentions Smith helping with the "short game"... tacit admission that its all he is good for

[OnTheWarpath15]

Yeah, didn't Favre end his team's season like four consecutive seasons in a row by tossing an interception on his final pass?

Is that better or worse than ending your season taking 8 minutes to drive for a score with 8:15 left down 14 points?

Or missing a two point conversion pass to tie a game?

Or taking a terrible sack to push your team out of field goal range?

[staylor26]

sooo Wonderlic doesnt make a Wonder**** of difference? Got it.

I think it does if it's really bad. For a QB at least.

After hearing Paxton Lynch talk and seeing his score of 17, I was pretty sure he was too much of an idiot to make the transition coming from a spread system.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Goddamn, DJ is killing it in this thread.

Nice work, man.

[DRM08]

I think it does if it's really bad. For a QB at least.

After hearing Paxton Lynch talk and seeing his score of 17, I was pretty sure he's too big of an idiot to make the transition coming from a spread system.

Dan Marino and Jim Kelly apparently scored lower than Lynch. Donovan McNabb scored 14. Kaep's 38 sure hasn't helped him read defenses. We just never know how it will turn out for any of them.

[Black Bob]

Never watch Mike and Mike, but the dude talking is insinuating that Mahomes won't start for a couple years.

I think he was being honest. Mahomes obviously needs a lot of time to develop. Consider that Aaron Rodgers sat for three years. It is a luxury to be able to do that.

In the last six years Alex is the third winningest QB in the NFL. You can't argue that and no coach in their right mind is gonna push him out the door right now. There is no reason to rush Mahomes. The next decade for the Chiefs is extremely dependent on whether or not Mahomes works out.

[Easy 6]

Donovan McNabb was 33 years old during his last season with Andy Reid. Alex Smith turns 33 on Sunday.

I find that to be a very interesting factoid :hmmm:

[mdchiefsfan]

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ROFL

[staylor26]

Dan Marino and Jim Kelly apparently scored lower than Lynch. Donovan McNabb scored 14. Kaep's 38 sure hasn't helped him read defenses. We just never know how it will turn out for any of them.

No doubt are exceptions to every rule, but in today's football world coming from the spread and being that stupid makes it very difficult to succeed.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I think he was being honest. Mahomes obviously needs a lot of time to develop. Consider that Aaron Rodgers sat for three years. It is a luxury to be able to do that.

In the last six years Alex is the third winningest QB in the NFL. You can't argue that and no coach in their right mind is gonna push him out the door right now. There is no reason to rush Mahomes. The next decade for the Chiefs is extremely dependent on whether or not Mahomes works out.

Rodgers sat behind a fucking HOF'er.

Mahomes will be sitting behind... Alex Smith.

Alex Smith wins because his defense and special teams carry the water. You're fooling yourself if you think the same wouldn't happen for Mahomes if necessary - and personally, I don't think it will be necessary. He'll take the pressure off the defense because they won't have to hold a team under 20 points every single week.

He'll be starting in 2018 at the latest.

[Black Bob]

Rodgers sat behind a ****ing HOF'er.

Mahomes will be sitting behind... Alex Smith.

Alex Smith wins because his defense and special teams carry the water. You're fooling yourself if you think the same wouldn't happen for Mahomes if necessary - and personally, I don't think it will be necessary. He'll take the pressure off the defense because they won't have to hold a team under 20 points every single week.

He'll be starting in 2018 at the latest.

I'm thinking he won't dress in 2017. Will be the back up in 2018 and the starter in 2019. He won't sit three years because he's not behind a hall of famer but he will sit for two. He won't take the pressure off the defense if he goes out there and throws three picks a game either. There is a lot more bad than good in the Mahomes videos. I'm not saying he doesn't have potential but he has a long way to go. The good is great but the bad is just bad.... Do you want Jake Locker or better than Jake Locker?

Watch this West Virginia video for example. How many picks would there have been iif this was an NFL defense?

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/patrick-mahomes-vs-west-virginia-2016/

[SAUTO]

Cutting smith allows you to potentially lock up peters a year early

This, every fucking day.

And running dead money on him the next year(like tigger suggests) hurts the chances of getting Peters locked up.

But here's the thing: tigeruppercut doesn't give a fuck if Peters stays or goes, or any other player for that matter. He will just move on to the next team when Alex leaves.

That's why the things he says are so fucking ridiculous.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'm thinking he won't dress in 2017. Will be the back up in 2018 and the starter in 2019. He won't sit three years because he's not behind a hall of famer but he will sit for two. He won't take the pressure off the defense if he goes out there and throws three picks a game either. There is a lot more bad than good in the Mahomes videos.


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[kc79]

Theres 17 million reasons the chiefs will be moving on from smith next year.

☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[Black Bob]

This, every ****ing day.

And running dead money on him the next year(like tigger suggests) hurts the chances of getting Peters locked up.

But here's the thing: tigeruppercut doesn't give a **** if Peters stays or goes, or any other player for that matter. He will just move on to the next team when Alex leaves.

That's why the things he says are so ****ing ridiculous.

Nah, Peters gets the 5th year option because he's a first round pick. They aren't giving him a new dealin 2018. It would be easy to get out of Alex's contract next year but, I'm not sure they really need to. Especially when you think about DJ and Tamba hanging it up and the cap will probably go up $7-10 million. Hell, if we make it to the AFC Championship, they will definitely keep him.

[O.city]

Nah, Peters gets the 5th year option because he's a first round pick. They aren't giving him a new dealin 2018. It would be easy to get out of Alex's contract next year but, I'm not sure they really need to. Especially when you think about DJ and Tamba hanging it up and the cap will probably go up $7-10 million.

Sure but they've also then got to replace dj and tamba and won't have a first round pick to do it.

[Halfcan]

Alex put up 15 incredible Td's last year in the air- How will PM2 ever beat that?

You also have to include all the yards with his feet running to the sideline for a loss.

[KChiefs1]

Wonderlic Test for QB's

Alex Smith, Utah: 40 (Edit: Thanks 'notorious'.)
Tyler Bray, Tennessee: 24
Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech: 24
Ryan Fitzpatrick, Harvard: 48



The only score on this list that surprises me is Bray's. I'd never have guessed he was that intelligent.


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[Black Bob]

Sure but they've also then got to replace dj and tamba and won't have a first round pick to do it.

There's not a MLB in free agency who will be worth half of what DJ is making. Maybe you overpay for Melvin Ingram at OLB but we are counting on Ford. They excersized that 5th year option yesterday.

We better hope we can replace them with guys on the roster. However, you can find MLBs in the late first or later. They are notorious for falling in the draft.

[Black Bob]

Alex put up 15 incredible Td's last year in the air- How will PM2 ever beat that?

You also have to include all the yards with his feet running to the sideline for a loss.

Who fucking cares? How many playoff wins does he have in KC? How long did it take us to get there? That's the only stat that matters.

[Easy 6]

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That has to be the first Speed Racer gif I've ever seen here... rep

[staylor26]

Sure but they've also then got to replace dj and tamba and won't have a first round pick to do it.

Let's not act like they'll be important pieces on the 2016 Chiefs

I think Dorsey hinting that they weren't even looking at OLB means they feel pretty good about Nicholas returning at some point.

[Halfcan]

Who ****ing cares? How many playoff wins does he have in KC? How long did it take us to get there? That's the only stat that matters.

ROFL

So you don't think PM2 can win a playoff game for the Chiefs?

[DRM08]

The only score on this list that surprises me is Bray's. I'd never have guessed he was that intelligent.


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I think it's more about speed than intelligence. You only have 14 seconds per question. Jamarcus Russell also scored 24, but I seriously doubt he is smarter than Donovan McNabb at 14.

[Sandy Vagina]

ROFL

So you don't think PM2 can win a playoff game for the Chiefs?

Obviously, they don't think he can yet either... or Smith would be out, and they'd save some significant money.

[Easy 6]

Dan Marino and Jim Kelly apparently scored lower than Lynch. Donovan McNabb scored 14. Kaep's 38 sure hasn't helped him read defenses. We just never know how it will turn out for any of them.

I think it's more about speed than intelligence. You only have 14 seconds per question. Jamarcus Russell also scored 24, but I seriously doubt he is smarter than Donovan McNabb at 14.

Looking around at the various scores being posted by you and others, its pretty clear that the Wonderlic has some very serious flaws

[Black Bob]

ROFL

So you don't think PM2 can win a playoff game for the Chiefs?

I don't know? He hasn't done shit. A lot of guys look great in college but are in and out in the NFL. I am quietly optimistic but he hasn't done shit. If we started Mahomes in 2017, I would bet on a losing record. Just my opinion...

[Coogs]

Alex put up 15 incredible Td's last year in the air- How will PM2 ever beat that?

You also have to include all the yards with his feet running to the sideline for a loss.

15 TD's in a season is what he does. He has 157 TD's in 141 games. He averages 1.1 per start.

[O.city]

Let's not act like they'll be important pieces on the 2016 Chiefs

I think Dorsey hinting that they weren't even looking at OLB means they feel pretty good about Nicholas returning at some point.

Nicholas had a pretty significant injury though.

You just never know who might come open via a cut or FA or something and it would be nice to have the cash to make a good signing if they need be.

[Buehler445]

There's an element of truth to that.

But if you take a thoroughbred that can't be saddled and work with it until you can, sooner or later you may get something that you can win a race with.

If you take an old plowhorse and throw a saddle on its back, your only real bet is hoping that the competition dies in the starting gates.

That's pretty much what we've been trying to do - win via attrition and luck. Because that plowhorse isn't going to actually break at the bell and win one on his own merits. Alex Smith isn't going to take this team to a championship by playing great football for 3-4 weeks in January/February. He's going to have to hope that the front-runners stumble. But even that wasn't good enough when the Steelers scored zero touchdowns at Arrowhead. No, Alex pretty much needs them euthanized on the track (I give you - Brian Hoyer).

Go break in the thoroughbred. Maybe it works, maybe it won't. But there's the clay you need for an actual champion there.

I'm not sure why I found the bolded so wildly hilarious but I did. Holy shit man, that's amazing. Probably because it is spot on true. Good analogy boss.

[CapsLockKey]

Smith is a guy who's one of main attributes is his legs. At 33 the wheels start falling off. Hell they started falling off last year. He's not a guy that can play effectively into his late 30's like a Brees, Farve, Brady. Mahomes will be the starter within 2 years max, most likely sooner.

[staylor26]

Nicholas had a pretty significant injury though.

You just never know who might come open via a cut or FA or something and it would be nice to have the cash to make a good signing if they need be.

I had written Nicholas off myself, but hearing Dorsey talk about OLB like it's a position he's not even concerned about makes me think he's counting on him going forward. We have abolsutley nothing after Houston/Ford/Hali yet we've made no moves at the position all offseason.

I agree with that second part though.

[NJChiefsFan]

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That's gold.

Yeah, that's cool. Not really sure why he's pushing so hard for more than 1 yr. Ideally, and not looking finances, it probably would be better for Mahomes.. and therefore the Chiefs.. if he sat for 2... maybe a higher chance for a SB or more beyond 2019..

.. but I get the urge to get him in there earlier.. financially, and just more exciting.

You know exactly why he is pushing for two years. Because he wants to be right more than anything else.

Let's not act like they'll be important pieces on the 2016 Chiefs

I think Dorsey hinting that they weren't even looking at OLB means they feel pretty good about Nicholas returning at some point.

Probably but it could also mean they think Tamba has another year left, which would probably be wrong.

[Sandy Vagina]

Smith is a guy who's one of main attributes is his legs. At 33 the wheels start falling off. Hell they started falling off last year. He's not a guy that can play effectively into his late 30's like a Brees, Farve, Brady. Mahomes will be the starter within 2 years max, most likely sooner.

Same result yeah, but when he did choose to run, the wheels were there. The lack of rushing prowess from him last season was more in his head. He doesn't want to take the hits anymore.

[BossChief]

No chance. If Mahomes can give them 95% of what Smith can, Reid's not gonna let 'friendship' suck up 10% of his salary cap. They move on from him and take that massive chunk of freed up space and use it to extend a young player or two and/or add pieces that can help Mahomes win.

I really think people are losing track of Reid's place in history right now. Reid wants that championship BADLY. It will cement his place among the NFL's top 10 coaches of all time and I think he understands that.

He's not going to put Alex Smith ahead of his chance to get his OWN championship. This isn't a guy that's won one and now is out to do Alex Smith a solid. If eliminating Alex Smith from the roster and replacing him with $17 million worth of talent while Mahomes takes over gets us closer to a championship than the alternative, that's exactly what Andy Reid will do.

The only way Smith is back is if Mahomes simply doesn't progress like they hoped he would. I'll say that's unlikely.

Unless Alex is traded, he will be on the roster in 2018.

I don't want him to be, but I think he will be.

This team has championship aspirations and Reid/Dorsey have overpaid for backups their whole time here.

I see Alex taking a paycut (that he has already said he would do) and staying here through 2018

[KChiefs1]

If Alex restructures his contract to a team friendly one then I'm all for him staying through 2018.

I'm still hoping that we can trade him for something.


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