Chiefs trade for LB Reggie Ragland

[In58men]

Chiefs have acquired LB Reggie Ragland from the Bills in a trade.

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[Rain Man]

I'm kind of surprised.

[The Franchise]

Awesome job, Veach!

[O.city]

Who's lagland?

[siberian khatru]

Sean McDermott says Buffalo Bills LB Reggie Ragland fighting for roster spot (http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/08/sean_mcdermott_says_buffalo_bills_lb_reggie_ragland_fighting_for_roster_spot.html)

At the beginning of the offseason, there was talk that Ragland could compete with Preston Brown for the starting spot at middle linebacker. Now Ragland is just trying to keep a spot on the 53-man roster.

Ragland's work came mostly on special teams against the Ravens. He lost his rookie season to a torn ACL and hasn't quite made it back to where he was before the injury.

"Sometimes my knee feels good, sometimes it's sore," Ragland said last week. "I just know I have to keep getting better. I know I'm young and I still have time, so I'm not pressed about some of the things, but I know I still have to keep getting better. Coach McDermott, and all of the coaches tell me this all of the time, so I'm just going to keep getting better."

Ragland's knee isn't going to get back to 100 percent overnight, so it's easy to wonder what he can even do to win over the coaches before the roster is cut down to 53 players next week.

[In58men]

A 4th seems kinda high

[Halfcan]

2019 pick?

Seems like a long ways away.

[Steron]

One goes out. One comes in.

[Quesadilla Joe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ragland was considered a potential first-rounder in 2016, a heart condition hurt his stock a little. Then, suffered a torn ACL last August.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/902218079907848193">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Linebacker a big need for the Chiefs. And Reggie Ragland&#39;s coming from Rex Ryan&#39;s system, which is VERY similar to Bob Sutton&#39;s scheme.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/902218492702851072">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Rain Man]

Who's lagland?

The thread title was written by an American-born person of Japanese descent who was translating an article written in Japanese by a native of Yokohama who read it on the Chiefs website.

[DaFace]

A 4th seems kinda high

In 2019? Nah.

[Eleazar]

I'm a bit wary of trading picks for someone who wasn't about to make the Bills' roster.

[Halfcan]

In other news- Chiefs place Reggie Lagland on PUP for a sore knee.

[The Franchise]

In 2019? Nah.

This. Excellent trade for us if this kid is healthy.

[The Franchise]

I'm a bit wary of trading picks for someone who wasn't about to make the Bills' roster.

He was a good fit in Ryan's 3-4. He wasn't working out in the 4-3.

[Stinger]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Teams knew early on in the summer that <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash">#Bills</a> LB Reggie Ragland would be available. Buffalo was patient, waiting for the right value.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/902217595750899714">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Frosty]

I'm a bit wary of trading picks for someone who wasn't about to make the Bills' roster.

Word is that he was a good fit for Ryan's defense but didn't fit the new scheme. A 4th two years from now means we dodn't have to fight the other 3-4 teams when he got cut.

[Strongside]

Great pickup if he's healthy. Dude is a banger. Will help the run defense immensely if he's good to go.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

This is great because if he is good for us, then the need at ILB in the future becomes largely addressed.

[KChiefs1]

Mauga released.

[Titty Meat]

So who makes it? DJ, Wilson, KPL, Ragland, does ewkike or whatever his name make the PS?

[Tribal Warfare]

Chiefs must be the March of Dimes in Buffalo considering how much business they've done with the Bills

[The Franchise]

So who makes it? DJ, Wilson, KPL, Ragland, does ewkike or whatever his name make the PS?

DJ
Ragland
Wilson
Pierre-Louis
Eligwe

[RunKC]

Veach is not fucking around with the run defense. This is a great move for us.

Kind of surprising though bc Ramik has looked worlds better than last year.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

So who makes it? DJ, Wilson, KPL, Ragland, does ewkike or whatever his name make the PS?

Don't think Eligwe would last on the practice squad. Someone would probably sign him.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Veach is not ****ing around with the run defense. This is a great move for us.

Kind of surprising though bc Ramik has looked worlds better than last year.

I don't think Ragland is starting, certainly not yet.

[carcosa]

Future Hall of Famer

[O.city]

Maybe they could send us shady as well?

[Rain Man]

Has Ragland even played in Buffalo? I tried to look up his stats and all of the stats sites report that he has no stats.

[Ming the Merciless]

The funny thing is after the mods hacked my computer to make me watch a bunch of she-male wrestling, my computer was in lag-land for about a week

[siberian khatru]

Has Ragland even played in Buffalo? I tried to look up his stats and all of the stats sites report that he has no stats.

Ahem:

He lost his rookie season to a torn ACL

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=13042284&postcount=6

:harumph:

[Joshuabmayer]

Has Ragland even played in Buffalo? I tried to look up his stats and all of the stats sites report that he has no stats.

tore his ACL in his rookie year in preseason so no stats.

[Stinger]

Meet the New Guy

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<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s Ragland filling in the run game. <a href="https://t.co/D7evlsLvM3">pic.twitter.com/D7evlsLvM3</a></p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/902220147355766784">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Beat the *block, make the play. <a href="https://t.co/cEQunTRDez">pic.twitter.com/cEQunTRDez</a></p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/902220325307514880">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last video, but here&#39;s two more plays from Ragland at Alabama. Showing a little bit of everything. <a href="https://t.co/hKkw74KFyw">pic.twitter.com/hKkw74KFyw</a></p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/902220684675436544">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Rain Man]

Ahem:



http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=13042284&postcount=6

:harumph:


That might explain it.

It sounds like his knee isn't 100 percent. I hope he comes back strong and we didn't end up getting a Jamaal Charles equivalent.

[RunKC]

I don't think Ragland is starting, certainly not yet.

Probably not but he's great insurance after what happened last year. DJ looks good but it's nice to have a run stuffer.

He was he leader of a pro style concept defense at Alabama where he set up the alignments. It's been over a year since his ACL surgery.

I love that we are gearing up to stop the run. Ragland is a throwback LB who isn't afrai to take on blockers.

[Quesadilla Joe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach has a history of scouting Alabama and plenty of exposure to Ragland. 4th Rd pick says plenty on KCs valuation of him.</p>&mdash; Dan Hatman (@Dan_Hatman) <a href="https://twitter.com/Dan_Hatman/status/902221919952531457">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[pugsnotdrugs19]

Probably not but he's great insurance after what happened last year. DJ looks good but it's nice to have a run stuffer.

He was he leader of a pro style concept defense at Alabama where he set up the alignments. It's been over a year since his ACL surgery.

I love that we are gearing up to stop the run. Ragland is a throwback LB who isn't afrai to take on blockers.

Yeah it's hard to be sure but I would guess they are hoping Ragland can be the guy who replaces DJ one day in a perfect world. Then it would be he and Ramik in the middle.

Who knows though, they may want him to take Wilson's job. He's been really solid in the preseason though.

[Red Dawg]

I like it once he's healthy. He hits like a sledge hammer.

[Sure-Oz]

@nfldraftscout: Sending a 2019 4th for the 2016 No. 41 overall pick is smart. #Chiefs give up little to see if Ragland is a better scheme fit there

[siberian khatru]

Terez Paylor's 2016 pre-draft scouting report on Ragland: (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article72954347.html)

(Myles Jack was the No. 1 ILB)

2. REGGIE RAGLAND, Alabama

Measurables: 6-1, 247, 23, 4.72

Bio: Two-year starter who had 102 tackles (6.5 for loss), six quarterback hurries and 2.5 sacks in 15 games in 2015. Also had zero interceptions and seven pass deflections.

Consensus: Smart, productive player who has the look of an old-school inside linebacker. Has the bulk to hold up in the box and at the point of attack against offensive linemen in the running game. Uses his hands well. Long speed isn’t great but he shuffles his feet well and shows good short-area quickness and burst. Packs a punch as a tackler. Has good instincts; plays the game with his eyes. Does a nice job sifting through trash against the run. Occasionally lined up as an edge rusher in a three-point stance. Leader who reportedly has good football character. Lost 12 pounds from the Senior Bowl to the combine; will need to keep his weight in check.

Grade: 6.9

[staylor26]

I really really like those move

I was a huge fan of Ragland when he came out

[T-post Tom]

This. Excellent trade for us if this kid is healthy.

Even if he doesn't play much this year because of the injury, still a good deal for the Chiefs. 3-4 guy from AL that was potentially a first round pick. Looked good last year before injury.

[DaneMcCloud]

HUGE move from Veach!

2019 4th rounder? That's a pittance and most likely, the Chiefs will have some sort of Comp Pick in 2019 to cover that loss.

This could be awesome.

[wazu]

Always a good day when we trade with the Bills.

[thabear04]

Nice trade hopefully he works out for the Chiefs. And hope he gets to play this last pre season for a bit.

[Halfcan]

I really really like those move

I was a huge fan of Ragland when he came out

Even in a leg brace, he is faster than Mauga. :)

His highlights from college look great- this could be the thumper this Defense needs in the middle.

[staylor26]

Very impressed with Veach's first big move

[BlackOp]

Even if he doesn't produce much this season, he'll have accrued a year's experience in the system. Pretty much the same scenario if they had drafted Foster...

They have him for 3 more years on his rookie deal...hard not like the risk/reward on this.

[O.city]

Veach apparently sees the ILB spot asa bigger need than Dorsey did

[The Bad Guy]

Word is that he was a good fit for Ryan's defense but didn't fit the new scheme. A 4th two years from now means we dodn't have to fight the other 3-4 teams when he got cut.

We wouldn't fight anyone. He would have been claimed on waivers by a team with a much higher priority.

[Chiefshrink]

I'm a bit wary of trading picks for someone who wasn't about to make the Bills' roster.

Houston part II ?

[DaneMcCloud]

Veach apparently sees the ILB spot asa bigger need than Dorsey did

KPL and now Ragland.

I also believe that Veach knows the end is near for DJ.

He got a first round talent with 3 years left on his deal for 2019 4th rounder.

That's freaking value.

[DaneMcCloud]

We wouldn't fight anyone. He would have been claimed on waivers by a team with a much higher priority.

Absolutely.

Jets, Seattle, Detroit, Philly, Indy, New Orleans would all have put in a waiver claim.

[Chiefshrink]

Don't fall in love with the name, college and round taken. Fall in love with the play of which I hope there is a lot of it.:shrug:

Remember McDermott is a defensive guy and he knows what he has in Ragland already. The fact he would let a 2016 1st rdr go so easily for something 2 yrs away is not good.

[DaneMcCloud]

Don't fall in love with the name, college and round taken. Fall in love with the play of which I hope there is a lot of it.:shrug:

Remember McDermott is a defensive guy and he knows what he has in Ragland already. The fact he would let him go so easily for something 2 yrs away is not good.

:facepalm:

[thegame214]

Wwwhhhhaaattt???? Damn it's like getting an extra 2nd round pick in an area of need. Crazy

[Chiefshrink]

That's freaking value.

Only if he pans out. If he doesn't we have only lost a 4th 2yrs away which might not be a big deal when the time comes.

[Dante84]

LOVE THIS.

I was huge on this guy coming out. This is badass, should he pan out.

[Chiefshrink]

:facepalm:

I'm always having to bring you back to reality and I know reality is not fun for you.:D

[kcchiefsus]

This. Excellent trade for us if this kid is healthy.

Don't fall in love with the name, college and round taken. Fall in love with the play of which I hope there is a lot of it.:shrug:

Remember McDermott is a defensive guy and he knows what he has in Ragland already. The fact he would let him go so easily for something 2 yrs away is not good.

Read the damn thread. He's a fit in our 3-4, wasn't a fit in their 4-3.

[DaneMcCloud]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now teammates, Reggie Ragland and Ukeme Eligwe were the No. 2 and No. 3 ranked high school linebackers in the country in 2012. <a href="https://t.co/nfOW5grzrE">pic.twitter.com/nfOW5grzrE</a></p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/902229022050062336">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[DaneMcCloud]

Only if he pans out. If he doesn't we have only lost a 4th 2yrs away which might not be a big deal when the time comes.

You're fucking clueless, as always.

[Danguardace]

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[DaneMcCloud]

I'm always having to bring you back to reality and I know reality is not fun for you.:D

Hey you buttfucking FRAUD, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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[ModSocks]

I remember wanting the guy the year he was drafted. I thought he'd have been a great thumper next to DJ. Shrug. What do i know.

[DaneMcCloud]

I remember wanting the guy the year he was drafted. I thought he'd have been a great thumper next to DJ. Shrug. What do i know.

A lot of people were high on him but it worked out in the end.

The Chiefs not only have Ragland but Chris Jones, too.

[Chiefshrink]

He's a fit in our 3-4, wasn't a fit in their 4-3.

Great. But only IF he pans out health wise. Don't get me wrong, I am glad we have him but I am not holding my breath either.

[Chiefshrink]

You're ****ing clueless, as always.

Looking in the mirror is very difficult for you isn't it ?:shrug:

[Tribal Warfare]

A lot of people were high on him but it worked out in the end.

The Chiefs not only have Ragland but Chris Jones, too.

Let's hope DJ shares his mystic voodoo to heal Ragland

[srvy]

More about the heart condition?

[oldman]

I'm in. I don't remember what he did in the combine, but a thumper is a good thing.

[Chiefshrink]

More about the heart condition?

I'm in. I don't remember what he did in the combine, but a thumper is a good thing.

His heart was good enough for the Bills doctors so my guess our Chief dr.s wouldn't even noticed the EKG blip in his heart rate.:D

Yes it is good to have a legit "thumper" if his health returns.:clap:

[HemiEd]

PBJPBJPBJ

[srvy]

His heart was good enough for the Bills doctors so my guess our Chief dr.s wouldn't even noticed the EKG blip in his heart rate.:D

Yes it is good to have a legit "thumper" if his health returns.:clap:

Yet he dropped so other teams had concerns and it is the ills we are talking about.

Anyway I just seen that tweet and thought ACLs heal hearts not so much.

[Chiefshrink]

Yet he dropped so other teams had concerns and it is the ills we are talking about.

Anyway I just seen that tweet and thought ACLs heal hearts not so much.

Exactly. Like I said, I am glad we have him and hope he works out but not holding my breath.

[raybec 4]

Looking in the mirror is very difficult for you isn't it ?:shrug:

Holy shit, you just busted out "I know you are but what am I". That's awesome.

[Hoover]

The Billification of the Chiefs continues.

Mahomes. Spiller. Now this dude.

[DaneMcCloud]

The Billification of the Chiefs continues.

Mahomes. Spiller. Now this dude.

McDermott is a Reid guy, so it makes sense

[RippedmyFlesh]

What a great move Ragland has a probowl ceiling. I loved watching him at Alabama.

[DJ's left nut]

KPL and now Ragland.

I also believe that Veach knows the end is near for DJ.

He got a first round talent with 3 years left on his deal for 2019 4th rounder.

That's freaking value.

Ragland isn't a true replacement for DJ unless they kinda re-envision the role that DJ plays.

I don't believe Ragland is a 3-down 'backer but rather a complementary 2-down player. When DJ goes, he still needs to be replaced.

But what this might do is give us a nice young core at ILB presuming that Wilson can take another step or Eligwe develops. The interesting thing about Eligwe and Ragland being top HS recruits was how complementary their respective skill-sets are. 2 very highly regarded, high pedigree players who have vastly different strengths.

If Eligwe can develop his game and get comfortable in space, he and Ragland could be 5+ year solutions in the middle of this defense. That's pretty exciting to think about.

[Hydrae]

What is up with us acquiring players coming off injury? Miller (I think it is) coming back from an Achilles issue (as is DJ of course) and now Ragland working to come back from an ACL tear. I know that with some of the drama that seemed to surround both Houston's and Charles injuries, I am not very confident in our team medical staff. But if they are not able to recognize the apparent ongoing issues for our star vets I am not sure how well they will do working with injured players we keep bringing in.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Good trade for the value... A 4th rounder in 2019 carries similar risk of being on the roster down the road.

[BlackOp]

Bottom line....I guarantee you Dorsey scouted this guy last year. KC wouldn't have picked him up otherwise...they obviously liked him. I'm sure that will mentioned in the presser...

Kind of a perfect storm for the Chiefs...injured then scheme change.

[O.city]

Ragland isn't a true replacement for DJ unless they kinda re-envision the role that DJ plays.

I don't believe Ragland is a 3-down 'backer but rather a complementary 2-down player. When DJ goes, he still needs to be replaced.

But what this might do is give us a nice young core at ILB presuming that Wilson can take another step or Eligwe develops. The interesting thing about Eligwe and Ragland being top HS recruits was how complementary their respective skill-sets are. 2 very highly regarded, high pedigree players who have vastly different strengths.

If Eligwe can develop his game and get comfortable in space, he and Ragland could be 5+ year solutions in the middle of this defense. That's pretty exciting to think about.

You don't think Ragland can play in space?

[DaneMcCloud]

What is up with us acquiring players coming off injury? Miller (I think it is) coming back from an Achilles issue (as is DJ of course)

Miller came on the cheap and he's been a very productive D-lineman over the course of his career.


and now Ragland working to come back from an ACL tear.

Ragland is 24 years old and was considered to be one of the top linebackers coming out of the 2016 draft. He tore his ACL on August 5th, 2016 so while he might not be 100% at this point, he'll get there at sometime during the season.

He also has three years left on his rookie contract, which will give him plenty of time to grow into the position because apparently, he's pretty raw and needs the kind of coaching that the Chiefs can provide.

[Nickel D]

One goes out. One comes in.

That's what SHE said...

[DaneMcCloud]

You don't think Ragland can play in space?

Can Alabama LB Reggie Ragland get anymore freakish?

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/film-study-can-alabama-lb-reggie-ragland-get-anymore-freakish/

Ragland is also money in space, similar to former superstar safety Landon Collins, which lends itself to his positional versatility; he can literally excel at all three off-the-ball LB positions in an even-front alignment.

Ragland already excels in zone drops, and he will only get better in his man coverage as he will play the strong-side inside linebacker next to, perhaps, the Tide’s next great LB, Reuben Foster.

[Direckshun]

Bottom line....I guarantee you Dorsey scouted this guy last year. KC wouldn't have picked him up otherwise...they obviously liked him. I'm sure that will mentioned in the presser...

Kind of a perfect storm for the Chiefs...injured then scheme change.

Dorsey did scout him -- the Chiefs met with him.

He was a first round caliber linebacker. The Chiefs better have scouted him.

Personally, I'd like to know how versatile he'll be when he comes back from injury. If he's got any athleticism, you're talking about a 250+ lbs LB you can trot out there three downs a game.

[Nickel D]

GM could have got his pick of the healthy and just-as-talented LB litter from upcoming cuts without tossing away a draft pick.

[Direckshun]

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[Direckshun]

GM could have got his pick of the healthy and just-as-talented LB litter from upcoming cuts without tossing away a draft pick.

It's almost certainly a non-factor draft pick from the 2019 lot. Probably a 7th.

[DaneMcCloud]

GM could have got his pick of the healthy and just-as-talented LB litter from upcoming cuts without tossing away a draft pick.

wut

[ChiefGator]

It is a CONDITIONAL pick.. not sure what the conditions are, but it could be based on snaps, etc..

[BlackOp]

GM could have got his pick of the healthy and just-as-talented LB litter from upcoming cuts without tossing away a draft pick.

:shake:...sorry, there will be no 1st round graded 3-4 LBs available in the 2nd year of their rookie contracts.

The guy hasn't even played a real game yet.....he's essentially still a rookie that got hurt.

[staylor26]

GM could have got his pick of the healthy and just-as-talented LB litter from upcoming cuts without tossing away a draft pick.

:facepalm:

[NJChiefsFan]

GM could have got his pick of the healthy and just-as-talented LB litter from upcoming cuts without tossing away a draft pick.

Guy was a potential first round pick last year and there is a litter of people like him about to be cut?

[Demonpenz]

Looks fat and a Kendrell Bell type. 2 down LB?

[saphojunkie]

GM could have got his pick of the healthy and just-as-talented LB litter from upcoming cuts without tossing away a draft pick.

This fucking place, I swear.

[O.city]

It's a conditional pick? Thought I read it was a 4th

[Danguardace]

wut


I'm no expert on American English but maybe where he comes from Healthy and Just as talented means old and broken.

[Direckshun]

So just for anybody who's like "who is this guy," he's a dude who did everything very well out of Alabama -- and only really lacked really good speed.

He's amazing in run defense, and is pretty good in coverage.

He's big for an ILB (250+ lbs) but he's more than a thumper. He does have three down versatility.

Although, if you just make him a thumper, you've got a hell of a thumper. This guy is like an additional DL on the field against the run.

He's very fundamentally sound -- this is not a John Dorsey "coach them from the ground up" kind of guy.

His only mark on him at this point is how well he recovers from injury. That's pretty much it, folks. And KC's got as good a trainers' room as anybody in the league.

Get this guy healthy, don't cut corners with him, and he's a starting-caliber LB in a year.

Edit: Oh, yeah, forgot to mention, he's a heart-and-soul type character. He's someone the locker room follows.

[Danguardace]

For those interested, here is Reggie's Contract (https://overthecap.com/player/reggie-ragland/4754).

[Direckshun]

Terez (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article72954347.html):

REGGIE RAGLAND, Alabama

Measurables: 6-1, 247, 23, 4.72

Bio: Two-year starter who had 102 tackles (6.5 for loss), six quarterback hurries and 2.5 sacks in 15 games in 2015. Also had zero interceptions and seven pass deflections.

Consensus: Smart, productive player who has the look of an old-school inside linebacker. Has the bulk to hold up in the box and at the point of attack against offensive linemen in the running game. Uses his hands well. Long speed isn’t great but he shuffles his feet well and shows good short-area quickness and burst. Packs a punch as a tackler. Has good instincts; plays the game with his eyes. Does a nice job sifting through trash against the run. Occasionally lined up as an edge rusher in a three-point stance. Leader who reportedly has good football character. Lost 12 pounds from the Senior Bowl to the combine; will need to keep his weight in check.

Terez gave him a bottom-of-the-first round grade.

[Hoover]

Moves like this make me less and less worried about Dorsey's departure. You can always improve your team. This move makes a ton of sense.

[DJ's left nut]

You don't think Ragland can play in space?

'Can't' would be strong.

'hasn't' seems fair. Alabama just generally doesn't ask it of their LBs so you're going largely based on skill-set and hoping you can teach the nuance/instincts required of the position.

Until I see it done, I'd have a hard time taking it on faith. I think he has some decent tools but he isn't that kind of freak natural athlete that DJ was (or Foster, IMO). He strikes me as more of a Kendall Beckwith or maybe Raekwon McMillan type.

To some degree we're just a bit spoiled by DJ so I may be asking more of him than is truly fair. Not many LBs are natural in coverage and we just happen to have one of them. So trying to find another one like him is like trying to find another Tony Gonzalez who can catch AND block. We got lucky and managed to do exactly that with Kelce but that's not a common thing.

[Direckshun]

It's a conditional pick? Thought I read it was a 4th

This is accurate.

[ChiefGator]

It's a conditional pick? Thought I read it was a 4th

"The Bills announced Monday that they received a conditional fourth-round pick in the 2019 draft for Ragland, who missed his entire rookie season in 2016 after suffering a torn ACL in his left knee during training camp."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20487619/buffalo-bills-trade-former-2nd-round-pick-reggie-ragland-kansas-city-chiefs

[Direckshun]

He strikes me as more of a Kendall Beckwith or maybe Raekwon McMillan type.

This is also accurate.

However, he does have the skillset for three-down flexibility.

[O.city]

'Can't' would be strong.

'hasn't' seems fair. Alabama just generally doesn't ask it of their LBs so you're going largely based on skill-set and hoping you can teach the nuance/instincts required of the position.

Until I see it done, I'd have a hard time taking it on faith. I think he has some decent tools but he isn't that kind of freak natural athlete that DJ was (or Foster, IMO). He strikes me as more of a Kendall Beckwith or maybe Raekwon McMillan type.

To some degree we're just a bit spoiled by DJ so I may be asking more of him than is truly fair. Not many LBs are natural in coverage and we just happen to have one of them. So trying to find another one like him is like trying to find another Tony Gonzalez who can catch AND block. We got lucky and managed to do exactly that with Kelce but that's not a common thing.

True and Foster has looked awesome this far. But I just wonder how much we actually ask of our ILB in this scheme to cover. I mean, maybe they do an I've missed it but I can't tell you the last time I've seen an ILB have to carry a tight end down the middle etc.

It seems they're basically hook some cover guys or at least that's all they ask DJ to do. Maybe there's a reason for that.

[O.city]

I'd just like to see them have 2 3 down ILB guys that can stay on the field in nickel and actually cover

[DJ's left nut]

True and Foster has looked awesome this far. But I just wonder how much we actually ask of our ILB in this scheme to cover. I mean, maybe they do an I've missed it but I can't tell you the last time I've seen an ILB have to carry a tight end down the middle etc.

It seems they're basically hook some cover guys or at least that's all they ask DJ to do. Maybe there's a reason for that.

Whenever DJ goes down and Wilson is asked to step into his shoes, the middle of our pass defense seems to fall to shit. I don't think that's coincidence.

It's not the old 'cover the TE' saw that we've been throwing at safeties and LBs for as long as I've been on this board. It's simple drop zones and a feel for depth of drop or just that innate understanding of when to cheat in a zone or pick up someone on a route rather than drop him off.

[DJ's left nut]

I'd just like to see them have 2 3 down ILB guys that can stay on the field in nickel and actually cover

Why? One of them comes off the field for the NCB anyway. In 3rd down, clear passing situations it really doens't matter much. As for downs 1 and 2, I guess it wouldn't hurt to see upgrades there, but that's still just technically a '2 down' linebacker.

Moreover, it's a little greedy. Most teams would kill to have one of those guys - asking for 2 seems a little unreasonable.

[chop]

Anyone know the details of the conditional 4th round pick? Does it mean it's a 4th at the minimum and raises depending on the play of Ragland?

[O.city]

Why? One of them comes off the field for the NCB anyway. In 3rd down, clear passing situations it really doens't matter much. As for downs 1 and 2, I guess it wouldn't hurt to see upgrades there, but that's still just technically a '2 down' linebacker.

Moreover, it's a little greedy. Most teams would kill to have one of those guys - asking for 2 seems a little unreasonable.

I just think the versatility is a huge value. The 9ersd of Harbaugh era was so dominant because they could stay in the base and stop the run and pass. Same with the 2 in Carolina.

Of course it could be that I'm just traumatized from watching leveon pick his was for 200 against them last year that I'm over selling it.

[hawkchief]

As crappy as Eligwe has looked so far, this signing was a must.

[RunKC]

Still can't get over how good of a move this was. A 2019 4th rd pick for a 1st rd pick that fell due to a heart issue and knows our system.

Awesome

[ChiefGator]

Anyone know the details of the conditional 4th round pick? Does it mean it's a 4th at the minimum and raises depending on the play of Ragland?

Conditionals are usually quoted as the highest. So, a 4th is the HIGHEST they would get for Ragland.

Conditional could be based on passing a medical, or being on our roster on a certain date, or on playing time. We really won't know the details for a while I would think.

[NJChiefsFan]

KC's got as good a trainers' room as anybody in the league.

.

Based on what? I don't pretend to know what teams are good and what teams aren't but our handling of injuries hasn't been smooth at all recently. That's all I have to go on but I guess off-hand I wouldn't call them as good as anybody.

[ct]

Chiefs must be the March of Dimes in Buffalo considering how much business they've done with the Bills

next year when they need a qb they can give us '18 1st + '19 4th for alex smith

:)

[DaneMcCloud]

Three picks for Ragland...

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2016/04/29/buffalo-bills-trade-up-reggie-ragland/83725552/

On the heels of selecting edge rusher Shaq Lawson in the first round Thursday night, the Bills traded up eight slots in the second round Friday to make sure they could pick Alabama inside linebacker Reggie Ragland.

“We started this draft with the ACC defensive player of the year and we decided to back it up with the SEC player of the year,” an elated Bills general manager Doug Whaley said.

The Bills swapped second-round positions with the Chicago Bears (Buffalo was at 49, the Bears 41), and also gave the Bears one of their fourth-round picks in this draft (No. 117) and a fourth-rounder in 2017. However, Whaley said it was worth doing because Ragland was a player he claims the Bills would have taken in the first round if Lawson had been off the board.

“We would have taken him at 19, and lucky for us we found a trade partner in Chicago,” Whaley said. “We got two guys that we would have taken at 19.”

[BryanBusby]

Eh I'm weary about this. Saban has a reputation for using the piss out of his Defensive guys and a lot of them are tore the fuck up by the time they make it to the NFL.

Ragland, so far, seems to fit that description. Sorry, Lagland.

[staylor26]

That says a lot about what Rex Ryan felt his value was in this scheme.

[DaneMcCloud]

Eh I'm wary about this. Saban has a reputation for using the piss out of his Defensive guys and a lot of them are tore the fuck up by the time they make it to the NFL.

Ragland, so far, seems to fit that description. Sorry, Lagland.

He tore his ACL on August 5, 2016 and is still recovering.

CJ Mosley, Dont'a Hightower and Courtney Upshaw have all played well in the NFL.

Rolando McClain probably had the biggest upside but he's a mental case.

[RunKC]

Brett Veach was on 810 today and was surprisingly more honest than Dorsey ever was.

When asked about the cap situation he said "we've got a plan for what we want to do and how we can make this the best it can be to compete for a SB."

Sounds like big changes are coming. I don't think DJ would be let go this time next year if he plays well, but it's great to have that option in case he is done.

Lot of vets are gone next year IMO

[O.city]

The Bama d guys have some misses for sure, but similar to any draft pick, where they've been drafted situationally have been a big factor

[Halfcan]

I just ordered my Lagland jersey - so I hope he has a good year.

[RealSNR]

Damn, I love going to Buffalo Mart! They've got insane deals. Future starting ILBs for 4th rounders. Franchise QBs for a future 1st and a 3rd? I hope we go back there again soon!

[DaneMcCloud]

Damn, I love going to Buffalo Mart! They've got insane deals. Future starting ILBs for 4th rounders. Franchise QBs for a future 1st and a 3rd? I hope we go back there again soon!

I'll take LeSean McCoy for a 2022 6th rounder

[RealSNR]

A friend of mine goes, "Great... we got another Nico Johnson..."

Yeah, because Ragland is juuuuuust like Nico Johnson. Stiff hips, short arms, weak tackling form... yep... thaaaaaat's Ragland alright. :rolleyes:

Sheesh. I'm not saying people need to throw a parade or anything. Just be a little fucking optimistic, that's all.

[DaneMcCloud]

A friend of mine goes, "Great... we got another Nico Johnson..."

Yeah, because Ragland is juuuuuust like Nico Johnson. Stiff hips, short arms, weak tackling form... yep... thaaaaaat's Ragland alright. :rolleyes:

Sheesh. I'm not saying people need to throw a parade or anything. Just be a little fucking optimistic, that's all.

Nico Johnson suffered a severe sports hernia during his senior season at Alabama but the Chiefs cleared him medically.

He recently admitted that he wasn't "right" nor even close to 70% while in the NFL.

[TribalElder]

I can't imagine the bills don't have dibs on Alex when his time comes

They swapped with us to move up for PM2 and now more

[Halfcan]

Damn, I love going to Buffalo Mart! They've got insane deals. Future starting ILBs for 4th rounders. Franchise QBs for a future 1st and a 3rd? I hope we go back there again soon!

I hope the Chiefs have their carts ready if Buffalo has a red light sale on Cornerbacks. We could use at least two new ones.

[KranzDictum]

Still can't get over how good of a move this was. A 2019 4th rd pick for a 1st rd pick that fell due to a heart issue and knows our system.

Awesome

Heart issue and sore knee.

I thought you guys drafted all the stars in the NFL and didn't need to trade or sign FA's?

[RealSNR]

Heart issue and sore knee.

I thought you guys drafted all the stars in the NFL and didn't need to trade or sign FA's?

Who the fuck said that? Dorsey was constantly doing player-for-player trades and signing guys off the street who end up being pretty good. Veach is doing the exact same thing.

[DaneMcCloud]

Who the fuck said that? Dorsey was constantly doing player-for-player trades and signing guys off the street who end up being pretty good. Veach is doing the exact same thing.

Why do dipshit Bronco fans, like this idiot, have positive rep?

[RunKC]

That says a lot about what Rex Ryan felt his value was in this scheme.

I would imagine that Bob Sutton called Rex Ryan to talk about this kid.

[buddha]

I really really like those move

I was a huge fan of Ragland when he came out

Me too. I really was hoping that KC would find a way to draft him at the time. The knee injury was unfortunate, but I'd be patient with him and get him back to 100% before playing him. He could be your inside backer for years to come if he comes back healthy. Put him on IR and don't rush it.

[jjchieffan]

Why do dipshit Bronco fans, like this idiot, have positive rep?

I have often wondered the same thing. He has NEVER posted anything worthy of positive rep. I guess that KnowShit, TombstonegivesBJ and Failpass must rep each other daily.

[jjchieffan]

Me too. I really was hoping that KC would find a way to draft him at the time. The knee injury was unfortunate, but I'd be patient with him and get him back to 100% before playing him. He could be your inside backer for years to come if he comes back healthy. Put him on IR and don't rush it.

I don't know where he is in his recovery. Has he practiced at all this offseason? If not, maybe he could be ready in 6 weeks and go on the PUP?

[Chief Roundup]

KC's got as good a trainers' room as anybody in the league.


There have been some recent injury issues that would be some doubt about this statement.

[Hoover]

Compare it to Chicago, Green Bay, San Diago....

Shall I go on?

[BossChief]

Wow.

That's a huge steal, if he's healthy.

[raybec 4]

GM could have got his pick of the healthy and just-as-talented LB litter from upcoming cuts without tossing away a draft pick.

That's not even close to accurate.

[DaFace]

Wow.

That's a huge steal, if he's healthy.

He's not. But it still could be a steal. I'm thinking he's a rotational player at best this year, but hopefully give him a season to learn the ropes and heal up a little more and he can be a true contributor.

[cooper barrett]

I can't imagine the bills don't have dibs on Alex when his time comes

They swapped with us to move up for PM2 and now more

Do you think they will pay for him? Pick him off waivers? I mean that is $20M.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Put him on IR and pump him full of the shit Peyton was taking for a year and have him 110% next year.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Put him on IR and pump him full of the shit Peyton was taking for a year and have him 110% next year.

Hopefully he doesn't grow a giant forehead.

[DJ's left nut]

I hope the Chiefs have their carts ready if Buffalo has a red light sale on Cornerbacks. We could use at least two new ones.

We missed out on Darby, who was traded for 1 season of Jordan Matthews.

I'd have damn sure liked a shot at a 3rd round pick for that one. I like Darby quite a bit.

[Bewbies]

Why do dipshit Bronco fans, like this idiot, have positive rep?

I don't know how long it will last, but he's red now. :D

[Bewbies]

Shouldn't a guy who tore his ACL a year almost 13 months ago be close to healed up?

[CaliforniaChief]

I've heard the kid has a big heart.

[DaneMcCloud]

Shouldn't a guy who tore his ACL a year almost 13 months ago be close to healed up?

Close, yes but as we've seen with Houston and Charles, no two ACL repairs are the same.

I'll be happy if he's 100% by mid-season.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Cool. Why not? 2017 draft was deep and we still ended up with a shit player in the 4th.

[BryanBusby]

Buffalo mart is tight

[Halfcan]

Heart issue and sore knee.

I thought you guys drafted all the stars in the NFL and didn't need to trade or sign FA's?

:hmmm:

What is this supposed to mean?

[Bewbies]

Close, yes but as we've seen with Houston and Charles, no two ACL repairs are the same.

I'll be happy if he's 100% by mid-season.

I'd be thrilled. He's so young and cheap if he's ever good I'm happy. :)

[BossChief]

Heart issue and sore knee.

I thought you guys drafted all the stars in the NFL and didn't need to trade or sign FA's?

You are the worst smack talker, like...ever.

It's sad.

[BryanBusby]

He tore his ACL on August 5, 2016 and is still recovering.

CJ Mosley, Dont'a Hightower and Courtney Upshaw have all played well in the NFL.

Rolando McClain probably had the biggest upside but he's a mental case.
Hightower is great, but literally glass.

A lot of these kids coming out of Bama are fucked up, even with the mountains of dollars rolling through the program for medical. It's a bit concerning.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

So it's a conditional pick? Damn, we are pretty much fully insured here then.

I wonder what the long term plan is here. Ragland is clearly a MIKE linebacker, especially in our defense. But Ramik has looked really good so far.

As far as I can tell, Veach is just hedging his bets that at least two of these young ILBs might be able to form a cheap, strong duo beyond 2017. :shrug:

[KChiefs1]

I'm a bit wary of trading picks for someone who wasn't about to make the Bills' roster.


That is concerning.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Looking at our potential ILB depth, this allows us to go two-deep at MIKE. Could be the main motivation for the move in the short term.

DJ, KPL, and Eligwe are all WILL linebackers. With Ragland, we at least have a true backup to Wilson. Perhaps a future starter if all goes well.

[KChiefs1]

Always a good day when we trade with the Bills.


Shady McCoy would be a nice addition.

[Dante84]

Can we get a thread title update?

Jesus Lighst.

[keg in kc]

Shouldn't a guy who tore his ACL a year almost 13 months ago be close to healed up?Most guys can play within 9-12 months, but they're not generally 100% for double that. Part mental, part physical, going from recovery shape to game shape in mind and body.

[DaFace]

Can we get a thread title update?

Jesus Lighst.Your wish is my command.

[Direckshun]

Looking at our potential ILB depth, this allows us to go two-deep at MIKE. Could be the main motivation for the move in the short term.

DJ, KPL, and Eligwe are all WILL linebackers. With Ragland, we at least have a true backup to Wilson. Perhaps a future starter if all goes well.

Both Wilson and Ragland have some will flexibility.

[CrossCheck]

But the Chiefs clearly felt that this was a great chance to steal a player with good upside down the road. It's believed that former GM John Dorsey had a high grade on Ragland coming out of 'Bama, but the Chiefs traded down in Round 1 last year and selected DT Chris Jones four slots before Ragland came off the board.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/lists/2017/08/28/e8b66cdda00a42b8b80bb758e4669b07/index.xml?page=3

[Marcellus]

Why do dipshit Bronco fans, like this idiot, have positive rep?

Lets go to work. I'll start.

[staylor26]

Still can't believe we got this trade.

I thought Ramik looked like he's turned the corner in the preseason, but if Ragland can get healthy he's that intimidating presence in the middle that could take our defense to the next level.

[SAUTO]

Lets go to work. I'll start.

You fellas need a hand?

[DaneMcCloud]

Still can't believe we got this trade.

I thought Ramik looked like he's turned the corner in the preseason, but if Ragland can get healthy he's that intimidating presence in the middle that could take our defense to the next level.

It's actually pretty weird, if you think about it.

The Chiefs jumped Top Ten to grab Mahomes with giving up only a 3rd Comp pick and a 1st next year. The Eagles, Rams, Redskins, et al, gave up FAR more.

Then, a 2019 Condy 4th for Ragland?

For those that don't know, giving up next year's pick is basically the equivalent of giving up round lower. So, a 4th in 2017 has the value of a 5th in 2018 and the value of a 4th in 2019 is basically a 6th.

The Chiefs will be patient with Ragland and if he's anything near what he was at Alabama, they've knocked it out of the park.

[BryanBusby]

Curious what the conditions are.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Nice low risk move.

[NJChiefsFan]

Damn, I love going to Buffalo Mart! They've got insane deals. Future starting ILBs for 4th rounders. Franchise QBs for a future 1st and a 3rd? I hope we go back there again soon!

The Bills fan I work with will love this.

[ModSocks]

He's not. But it still could be a steal. I'm thinking he's a rotational player at best this year, but hopefully give him a season to learn the ropes and heal up a little more and he can be a true contributor.

Yeah this. I wouldnt expect much this year beyond some goal line work etc.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah this. I wouldnt expect much this year beyond some goal line work etc.

Wut

[Willie Lanier]

LOVE THIS TRADE

I'll attempt to temper my expectations, but...

Yeah love this trade

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

OMFG the picture is now complete!

[hometeam]

How anyone is down on this I'm not sure.

No risk, tons of upside. What's there to be mad about?

[jjchieffan]

I like the trade. But what is his status? Is he healthy enough to play? If not, when will he be ready? Will he have any impact this season or will he go on IR?

[cooper barrett]

Hopefully he doesn't grow a giant forehead.

Or a dry sense of humor...

[KChiefs1]

How anyone is down on this I'm not sure.



No risk, tons of upside. What's there to be mad about?



Veach has made some great moves so far.

[ModSocks]

Wut

He's coming off an ACL and was never a fast, freak athlete to begin with. He looked slow coming out of college and i don't imagine his knee injury has helped. 3rd on the depth chart for the bills? I understand scheme and all that, but good players find their way on the field regardless.

Something is clearly amiss in buffalo and if i had to guess, i'd imagine his knee has slowed him quite a bit and needs more time to heal.

[MahomesMagic]

He's coming off an ACL and was never a fast, freak athlete to begin with. He looked slow coming out of college and i don't imagine his knee injury has helped. 3rd on the depth chart for the bills? I understand scheme and all that, but good players find their way on the field regardless.

Something is clearly amiss in buffalo and if i had to guess, i'd imagine his knee has slowed him quite a bit and needs more time to heal.

Correct. Don't expect anything till next year.

[Buckweath]

I like this move. Now, Veach needs to have a long and hard look at our CBs. I feel like Gaines is somewhat underrated around here but he obviously is not great by any means. If we can get good play from our corners after Peters, I don't see how this defense is not a top 5 or borderline top 5 defense.

[RealSNR]

How anyone is down on this I'm not sure.

No risk, tons of upside. What's there to be mad about?

But muh 4th rounder!!!!!

[Titty Meat]

He's coming off an ACL and was never a fast, freak athlete to begin with. He looked slow coming out of college and i don't imagine his knee injury has helped. 3rd on the depth chart for the bills? I understand scheme and all that, but good players find their way on the field regardless.

Something is clearly amiss in buffalo and if i had to guess, i'd imagine his knee has slowed him quite a bit and needs more time to heal.

Agreed but still an upgrade over last years guys like Justin March and DJ Alexander.

[WhawhaWhat]

But muh 4th rounder!!!!!

Chiefs 4th round picks over the last 10 years:

2017 Jehu Chesson
2016 Eric Murray, Demarcus Robinson
2015 Ramik Wilson
2014 De'Anthony Thomas
2013 Nico Johnson
2012 Devon Wylie
2011 Jalil Brown
2010 None
2009 Donald Washington
2008 Will Franklin

[Unsmooth-Moment]

Chiefs 4th round picks over the last 10 years:

2017 Jehu Chesson
2016 Eric Murray, Demarcus Robinson
2015 Ramik Wilson
2014 De'Anthony Thomas
2013 Nico Johnson
2012 Devon Wylie
2011 Jalil Brown
2010 None
2009 Donald Washington
2008 Will Franklin


Yeah, looking at that we probably need to try and trade our 4th every year.

[Best22]

I like this move. Now, Veach needs to have a long and hard look at our CBs. I feel like Gaines is somewhat underrated around here but he obviously is not great by any means. If we can get good play from our corners after Peters, I don't see how this defense is not a top 5 or borderline top 5 defense.

Gaines is not a starter. We have Peters, Nelson, and Mitchell

[RunKC]

Biggest problem with Ramik Wilson is he can't shed blockers and he's slow to diagnose running plays.

Ragland excels at those 2 things which is what makes him such an intriguing fit. Plus we really need a thumper next to DJ and this guy seems to be it.
He was completely lost playing in a system he has no clue about, so I don't blame the Bills for trading him.

You see slower guys like Brandon Marshall (4.8 40) and Donta Hightower (4.7 40)did well in a 3-4 due to the scheme and responsibility.

I think the plan is to have Ragland play a similar role.

[Best22]

Biggest problem with Ramik Wilson is he can't shed blockers and he's slow to diagnose running plays.

Ragland excels at those 2 things which is what makes him such an intriguing fit. Plus we really need a thumper next to DJ and this guy seems to be it.

He was completely lost playing in a system he has no clue about. I don't blame the Bills for trading him.

I don't see Ramik losing his job. I think the defense will be Ragland and Wilson next year. DJ will likely move on. Just hard to see him being better than two young linebackers in 2018

[RunKC]

I don't see Ramik losing his job. I think the defense will be Ragland and Wilson next year. DJ will likely move on. Just hard to see him being better than two young linebackers in 2018

I think the Chiefs want to have Eligwe and Ragland be the future. I've been impressed by Eligwe so far. He's fast and seems to understand what he's doing.

[ndws]

In the case of a conditional pick getting traded, how often do they devalue? Obviously if he plays, and meets criteria we give up the 4th.

Do a lot of the conditional picks (in this case) become a 5th or 6th instead? I'm assuming if he flat out doesn't make the team, then no compensation goes to the Bills. But, generically speaking, I was curious about the basic structure of a conditional pick.

[jjchieffan]

I think the Chiefs want to have Eligwe and Ragland be the future. I've been impressed by Eligwe so far. He's fast and seems to understand what he's doing.

It would be nice if they both pan out. We have never really had anyone more than serviceable next to DJ. And now DJ is nearing the end of his career. Our chances of finding another ILB that is as good as DJ are slim, so we expect to see a drop in production there. We need two solid young guys in the middle. If we could get both of those spots filled this year, that would be awesome.

[NJChiefsFan]

Is Jared Allen our last hit in the fourth round?

[RealSNR]

Is Jared Allen our last hit in the fourth round?

In terms of landing a guy who at least makes the Pro Bowl?

Yeah.

DAT and Ramik Wilson are at least still on the team and contributing, even though their careers have been relatively short. But honestly, to even find a CONTRIBUTOR who was drafted in the 4th round for the Chiefs since Jared Allen, you have to go all the way back to Samie Parker, who was taken in the same year as Allen.

It's puketastic.

[O.city]

In terms of landing a guy who at least makes the Pro Bowl?

Yeah.

DAT and Ramik Wilson are at least still on the team and contributing, even though their careers have been relatively short. But honestly, to even find a CONTRIBUTOR who was drafted in the 4th round for the Chiefs since Jared Allen, you have to go all the way back to Samie Parker, who was taken in the same year as Allen.

It's puketastic.

Isn't that league wide as well? Seems things really drop off after the 3rd round

[NJChiefsFan]

In terms of landing a guy who at least makes the Pro Bowl?

Yeah.

DAT and Ramik Wilson are at least still on the team and contributing, even though their careers have been relatively short. But honestly, to even find a CONTRIBUTOR who was drafted in the 4th round for the Chiefs since Jared Allen, you have to go all the way back to Samie Parker, who was taken in the same year as Allen.

It's puketastic.

Man I remember the hopes and dreams of Sammy Parker.

[jjchieffan]

In terms of landing a guy who at least makes the Pro Bowl?

Yeah.

DAT and Ramik Wilson are at least still on the team and contributing, even though their careers have been relatively short. But honestly, to even find a CONTRIBUTOR who was drafted in the 4th round for the Chiefs since Jared Allen, you have to go all the way back to Samie Parker, who was taken in the same year as Allen.

It's puketastic.

With the exception of Johnson, the 4th round has been better while Dorsey was drafting. It's too soon to say on the guys drafted the last 2 seasons, but at least there is still hope that Murray, White, and Chesson will amount to something. Wilson and DAT just recently turned the corner. Wilson showed a lot of improvement last season, and DAT, at least in preseason, looks to also be improved. In another year or 2, Murray, White and Chesson could also be solid contributors. And by the way, let's not forget. Allen was drafted to be a long snapper. Carl completely lucked into that one.

[DaneMcCloud]

With the exception of Johnson, the 4th round has been better while Dorsey was drafting. It's too soon to say on the guys drafted the last 2 seasons, but at least there is still hope that Murray, White, and Chesson will amount to something.

DJ White was a 6th rounder

[DaneMcCloud]

DAT and Ramik Wilson are at least still on the team and contributing, even though their careers have been relatively short.

Ehinger looked like a long term solution at left guard, and with a high ceiling, before his ACL injury.

[jjchieffan]

DJ White was a 6th rounder

Duh. You're right. I was thinking of Robinson, not White. Thanks for correcting me.

[jjchieffan]

Ehinger looked like a long term solution at left guard, and with a high ceiling, before his ACL injury.

Hopefully he fully recovers and still will be.

[staylor26]

Ehinger looked like a long term solution at left guard, and with a high ceiling, before his ACL injury.

According to Clay he's garbage and has no chance to be the long term solution though

LMAO

[The Franchise]

According to Clay he's garbage and has no chance to be the long term solution though

LMAO

Clay might as well just send me the $50 from the bet now.

[jjchieffan]

Clay might as well just send me the $50 from the bet now.

What was the bet?

[The Franchise]

What was the bet?

Kareem Hunt wouldn't have over 200 yards.

[DaneMcCloud]

According to Clay he's garbage and has no chance to be the long term solution though

LMAO

I'm doing my best to ignore him and not get pulled into his trolling nonsense.

[jjchieffan]

Kareem Hunt wouldn't have over 200 yards.

LOL. Yeah that was a safe bet before Ware went down. Now, barring injury to Hunt, it's a virtual certainty. I hope to see you collect after game 2.

[staylor26]

Clay might as well just send me the $50 from the bet now.

Yea that bet will be over by week 3/4 at the latest ROFL

[Marcellus]

Kareem Hunt wouldn't have over 200 yards.

You cant be serious. He bet you Hunt wouldn't have 200 yards? He is going to top that by week 3.

[NJChiefsFan]

You cant be serious. He bet you Hunt wouldn't have 200 yards? He is going to top that by week 3.

I'm sure that was before the Ware injury. Even with the Ware injury he was going to top 200 yards. Hell even if West and Ware were in front of him he would he may have done it.

[Marcellus]

I'm sure that was before the Ware injury. Even with the Ware injury he was going to top 200 yards. Hell even if West and Ware were in front of him he would he may have done it.

Oh yea, that was a dumb bet no matter how you look at it.

[Kiimo]

I laughed at that when it happened. Never back up trolling with money.

[KChiefs1]

LOL. Yeah that was a safe bet before Ware went down. Now, barring injury to Hunt, it's a virtual certainty. I hope to see you collect after game 2.



I'm hoping after game one!

[JakeF]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Diagnose, attack, finish. This is a great snap for Ragland (59). I&#39;m frankly surprised at how he&#39;s looked given him falling out of favor. <a href="https://t.co/JVm2s1Sn78">pic.twitter.com/JVm2s1Sn78</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/902263898312671232">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[DJ's left nut]

Seems like a possible Marvcus Patton.

I still just don't see any speed there. Aggressive as hell and has no problem getting downhill but he just doesn't look fast. I might have been to harsh on his ability to play a zone technique in that he doesn't seem quite as lost out there as I thought he might (just looking at a little bit of college tape), but he can do an okay job in zone.

He's not a DJ replacement long-term, IMO. If that exists on this roster it's either Eligwe or even Wilson. But man, if you can get a guy like Marvcus Patton for a future 4th, that's a hell of a deal.

[JakeF]

If the rest of the defense is good enough to allow Ragland to play between the tackles then he should be very effective. Logan and Ragland should improve our run defense dramatically. Those 2 will allow our safeties to play deeper and help in coverage.

Only if we can maintain containment though.

Houston, Ragland, DJ, Ford/Hali

[DaneMcCloud]

Seems like a possible Marvcus Patton

Marvcus was a badass. I'd take that in a heartbeat.

NFL.com compared him to EJ Henderson, who was pretty damn good when healthy but only played 16 games three out of 11 seasons.

[DaneMcCloud]

Greg Bedard of SI said this about Ragland in 2016:

If you want to know what kind of player Ragland will be in the NFL, just watch him against Michigan State’s pro-style offense in this year’s College Football Playoff semifinals. On the first play he took on a fullback in the hole, shed him and made the tackle. On the second, he took on a pulling guard and assisted on a one-yard gain. On the third, he stood up as an end (Alabama used him as a situational pass rusher), shed the tackle and took down the quarterback for a loss.

He’s not going to wow anyone in coverage (though he’s fine in zone), and that will concern some teams, but NFL defense still boils down to getting off blocks and making tackles. His skill set may be from another decade, but there’s still very much a place for Ragland in the league.

[DJ's left nut]

Marvcus was a badass. I'd take that in a heartbeat.

NFL.com compared him to EJ Henderson, who was pretty damn good when healthy but only played 16 games three out of 11 seasons.

Oh no doubt - Marvcus is a best case scenario.

Henderson seems fair as well; poor man's Marvcus in many ways. But I think Patton hit harder than Henderson. I could be selling Henderson short but I really don't recall Henderson being a true hammer in the middle.

Ragland, when healthy and confident, will become a guided missile out there IMO. He'll annihilate some guys.

I don't actually expect he'll be Marvcus Patton - that's a hell of an ask. But if there's a player who's game I could see his being modeled after, that's the guy. Consider him a 'top 10%' kind of outcome with Mike Maslowski being a bottom 10%. More likely than not he'll end up somewhere in between those outcomes.

[DJ's left nut]

Greg Bedard of SI said this about Ragland in 2016:

If you want to know what kind of player Ragland will be in the NFL, just watch him against Michigan State’s pro-style offense in this year’s College Football Playoff semifinals. On the first play he took on a fullback in the hole, shed him and made the tackle. On the second, he took on a pulling guard and assisted on a one-yard gain. On the third, he stood up as an end (Alabama used him as a situational pass rusher), shed the tackle and took down the quarterback for a loss.

He’s not going to wow anyone in coverage (though he’s fine in zone), and that will concern some teams, but NFL defense still boils down to getting off blocks and making tackles. His skill set may be from another decade, but there’s still very much a place for Ragland in the league.

That's pretty much exactly the way I'd put it.

[Kiimo]

If anything our run defense just got better. Maybe he isn't fast enough to be Replacement DJ but who cares since he has a rookie contract and all we gave up was a conditional 4th. A thumper is worth that for sure.

[Red Dawg]

Can he control a gap? Herm says yes.

[mdchiefsfan]

Can he control a gap? Herm says yes.

Buehler445? .... Buehler445? .... Buehler445?

[KChiefs1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Diagnose, attack, finish. This is a great snap for Ragland (59). I&#39;m frankly surprised at how he&#39;s looked given him falling out of favor. <a href="https://t.co/JVm2s1Sn78">pic.twitter.com/JVm2s1Sn78</a></p>— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/902263898312671232">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>

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I like it!

[Marcellus]

Seems like a possible Marvcus Patton.

Damn I had forgotten about him. I used to love me some Marvcus (where the **** does that name come from?).

He was with the Redskins before us if I remember correctly.

Damn he was a run smashing ILB.

Edit: This post made me google his name and his Wikipedia came up and it didn't disappoint. LMAO

Patton was just 9-years-old when his father, an undercover detective in Los Angeles, was shot and killed in the line of duty. His mother, Barbara Patton, a former Women's National Football League player with the Los Angeles Dandelions,[1] taught Patton about football. Mother and son both played middle linebacker, with Barbara once breaking an opposing player's helmet.[2] “I thought it was really cool to tell my friends that my mom was a linebacker,” Patton once shared.

[notorious]

I can't imagine the amount of frustration Buffalo fan is going to endure when Mahomes fulfills his destiny and Ragland becomes a perennial pro bowler.

[RunKC]

I can't imagine the amount of frustration Buffalo fan is going to endure when Mahomes fulfills his destiny and Ragland becomes a perennial pro bowler.

I'll consider it balance for 1983

[jjchieffan]

I'll consider it balance for 1983

Yeah. Except they drafted Jim Kelly with their own pick I believe. We didn't trade with them and then them take Kelly with our pick But I get what you're saying. If we had taken Kelly instead of Blackledge, then he wouldn't have been there for them to take. I guess that we should have kept Levy. Maybe he would have convinced the Chiefs to take Kelly instead. Damn it Carl! LOL

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Well, I liked this at the time, but becoming clear that the Bills foisted us

[RealSNR]

Well, I liked this at the time, but becoming clear that the Bills foisted us

Because we gave up a 5th round pick and Ragland isn't looking like vintage LT yet?

It's called a low-risk gamble. Sometimes they don't work out. Who the fuck cares?

[Grim]

Well, I liked this at the time, but becoming clear that the Bills foisted us

The dude has 4 NFL games under his belt (with two starts) and he's already a bust.

ROFL

[Titty Meat]

He's trash

[Simply Red]

finding his groove.

[staylor26]

He's trash

Fucking moron LMAO

[Simply Red]

He's trash

really dumb post.

[Simply Red]

****ing moron LMAO

Yeah - He needs to scope his NCAA #'s and STFU.

[smithandrew051]

Ragland is playing really well so far today. He’s still young too. I like him.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Only player worth watching so far.

[dilligaf]

Only player worth watching so far.

Very true.

[aturnis]

Fucking moron LMAOreally dumb post.I'm sorry, but consider the poster. Dude can never be taken seriously. I'm convinced he's a cartoon character.

[Titty Meat]

I'm sorry, but consider the poster. Dude can never be taken seriously. I'm convinced he's a cartoon character.

Yeah Adam like when you wanted Geno Smith with the #1 overall pick LMAO

[Titty Meat]

****ing moron LMAO

How's Terrance Mitchell doing? Remember when you said Benny Logan was a good signing LMAO

[Best22]

Been a long time since we had a LB like that!

Bama does it right

[SAUTO]

Yeah Adam like when you wanted Geno Smith with the #1 overall pick LMAO

U r still dum

[Simply Red]

he's doing pretty danged good today.

[Titty Meat]

U r still dum

Maybe Staylor can quit his cashier job at Micheals and become an NFL GM.

[staylor26]

Billay is so butthurt right now LMAO