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dtrain
08-30-2017, 06:28 AM
Released by the Browns per Sirius NFL

Strongside
08-30-2017, 06:29 AM
Go get him.

Unsmooth-Moment
08-30-2017, 06:29 AM
Bring him in for a look?

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Strongside
08-30-2017, 06:31 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/902869282702417921

Chiefs=Champions
08-30-2017, 06:32 AM
Would be an excellent get. What do we have to lose?

Marcellus
08-30-2017, 06:34 AM
This guy would be a huge upgrade as our #2.

KChiefs1
08-30-2017, 06:36 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/902869282702417921


Easy choice if he wants to win.

Strongside
08-30-2017, 06:36 AM
His agent says they'll have a deal with another team by tomorrow afternoon. If this guy can be as close to as good as he's been in the past, our defense could be tops in the league...especially in the secondary. Peters' pick numbers might go through the roof.

Strongside
08-30-2017, 06:39 AM
We've got $8.8M in space. Plenty of room to get a deal done.

okcchief
08-30-2017, 06:41 AM
I didn't want to trade for him with his current deal, but picking him up would be fucking huge. Do it!


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Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 06:44 AM
Was just coming to post this

Guy is a beast

Will make any team better

mcaj22
08-30-2017, 06:50 AM
this is a no brainer, he would be great in this scheme with the safeties we have over the top.

he had no help on Cleveland the last couple years

Strongside
08-30-2017, 06:52 AM
Peters, Haden, Berry, Parker might be the best secondary in the league...I think for sure in the AFC.

jaa1025
08-30-2017, 07:02 AM
Wasn't he one of the worst CB's in the league last year? 2-3 years ago, he was pretty damn good but injuries have derailed that. He may blossom under Reid and Sutton and this scheme with a change of scenery.

threebag
08-30-2017, 07:04 AM
Would be awesome.

notorious
08-30-2017, 07:05 AM
Meh.

BossChief
08-30-2017, 07:06 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/902869282702417921

Hmmm

I'm still not sure he's an upgrade to Mitchell at this point, but he's absolutely an upgrade to Gaines.

Go get him.

notorious
08-30-2017, 07:07 AM
Before everyone unzips their fly, is there even money to do this?

thegame214
08-30-2017, 07:09 AM
Before everyone unzips their fly, is there even money to do this?

We can and we will.

dannybcaitlyn
08-30-2017, 07:19 AM
Hmmm

I'm still not sure he's an upgrade to Mitchell at this point, but he's absolutely an upgrade to Gaines.

Go get him.

We surely could use the depth. If Peters goes down we're fucked.

lawrenceRaider
08-30-2017, 07:22 AM
Haden hasn't been good for a couple years. He looked slow last year.

O.city
08-30-2017, 07:23 AM
Eh he hasn't been good the last 2 years but he's also been in Cleveland

DC.chief
08-30-2017, 07:25 AM
Not even sure he is better than Mitchell anymore but I still think we should go after him. I'm sick of Gaines for one and I feel like Haden can bounce back from his recent struggles.

KChiefs1
08-30-2017, 07:26 AM
He'd be an upgrade over Gaines.

RunKC
08-30-2017, 07:27 AM
Doubt he'd sign with us. I would take Mitchell over Haden as the starter every time at this point. Hard to see a scenario where he agrees to be a back up and doesn't want a lot of money.

notorious
08-30-2017, 07:28 AM
Is he Dexter McCleon or Patrick Surtain?

DaNewGuy
08-30-2017, 07:29 AM
He'd be an upgrade over Gaines.

That's setting the bar incredibly low

KChiefs1
08-30-2017, 07:30 AM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170830/c2afe274c7e79858a69697b5379d447a.png

O.city
08-30-2017, 07:30 AM
Doubt he'd sign with us. I would take Mitchell over Haden as the starter every time at this point. Hard to see a scenario where he agrees to be a back up and doesn't want a lot of money.

Thing is, he'll be the 2 here. If it was injury that caused the downfall and he's healthy, he'd be legit as a 2. They obviously have doubts about Mitchell it seems so we shall see

Hydrae
08-30-2017, 07:33 AM
Bring him in and let him see what a winning team looks like. Hopefully have a chance at a ring in the next couple of years too!

threebag
08-30-2017, 07:33 AM
Send him a tweet O.

KChiefs1
08-30-2017, 07:40 AM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170830/87e9143285e705015fff24ae38021070.png

notorious
08-30-2017, 07:40 AM
Ouch.

CupidStunt
08-30-2017, 07:53 AM
A lot of people here will be MASSIVELY disappointed unless he drastically changes his play, it seems, but nevertheless a mandatory must-sign - and I'm sure we'll make the attempt. Just a case of where he wants to play. One thing KC can offer that some other interested teams can't is immediate and significant playing time, that's for sure.

Stryker
08-30-2017, 07:53 AM
Eh he hasn't been good the last 2 years but he's also been in Cleveland

My thoughts as well. From NFL.com:

Haden, 28, reached the Pro Bowl in 2013 and 2014. The 2010 first-round pick signed a six-year, $74.678 million deal in 2014 but has struggled to find consistency in the years since. Haden has played in just 18 games since 2014, with three interceptions and 13 pass breakups in those two years. If Cleveland was going to make a move, this was the time to do so. As salary-cap tracking site Over The Cap points out, Haden has just $4 million guaranteed on his contract for 2017.

O.city
08-30-2017, 07:58 AM
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/902891696257687552

notorious
08-30-2017, 07:58 AM
It will only cost 4 million to bring him in?


That's not horrific.

O.city
08-30-2017, 07:59 AM
It will only cost 4 million to bring him in?


That's not horrific.

No I don't think so. The way I read it, the browns are paying him 4 mil if he signs for less than 4 mill elsewhere.

notorious
08-30-2017, 08:01 AM
No I don't think so. The way I read it, the browns are paying him 4 mil if he signs for less than 4 mill elsewhere.

Even cheaper?


His upside is worth the risk, just do it and see what happens.



Who gets cut?

Titty Meat
08-30-2017, 08:06 AM
He wasn't playing alongside Peters,Berry,Houston,Ford, and Jones either. Bring on that work Joe!

TribalElder
08-30-2017, 08:07 AM
Bring in some of that winning culture attitude from Cleveland

kcchiefsus
08-30-2017, 08:08 AM
I would say it depends on if he's fully healthy or not.

O.city
08-30-2017, 08:08 AM
Even cheaper?


His upside is worth the risk, just do it and see what happens.



Who gets cut?

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/902891696257687552

Dunno if this helps

loochy
08-30-2017, 08:17 AM
Doubt he'd sign with us.

Why? You don't think he'd like to play across the field from someone like Peters with Ford and Houston pressuring QBs into bad throws?

The Franchise
08-30-2017, 08:19 AM
If we do sign him....it'll be interesting to see how Veach handles his first deal.

notorious
08-30-2017, 08:20 AM
Andy Reid is a cool guy, too. Probably a big reason the Chiefs have pulled in a few players that wouldn't normally come here.

Halfcan
08-30-2017, 08:23 AM
He sucks, but still better than Gaines.

Red Dawg
08-30-2017, 08:28 AM
He's expensive and a little broke. If he comes cheap why not.

Quesadilla Joe
08-30-2017, 08:33 AM
I still think that KC's top 3 CB's are all better than Joe Haden.

Haden is just a name at this point.

JakeF
08-30-2017, 08:35 AM
Before his injury his number of yearly pass defenses was comparable to Marcus Peters. He only was getting half the interceptions though. He is probably worth a shot at 4 million to be our #2 cornerback.

notorious
08-30-2017, 08:39 AM
I still think that KC's top 3 CB's are all better than Joe Haden.

Haden is just a name at this point.

The numbers certainly agree.

BossChief
08-30-2017, 08:47 AM
Give him a "Sean Smith" type FA deal....

RunKC
08-30-2017, 08:49 AM
Why? You don't think he'd like to play across the field from someone like Peters with Ford and Houston pressuring QBs into bad throws?

What would you rather do?

A. Pay 28 year old Joe Haden $3-4 million who has been trash the last 2 years.
B. Use that money to give 25 year old Terrance Mitchell an extension.

hometeam
08-30-2017, 08:50 AM
I have to imagine the bulk of the people that are hyped for this havent actually payed attention to his play.. he has been bad.. real bad.

Probably an upgrade over our 4th CB, but I like our top 3 better. Someone is going to give him starter money, just hope its not us.

You can make the argument that he can return to his younger form, but I dont see any reason we need to go after him, and we are going to be sorely disappointed when he gets burned time and time again because he cant play man.

The Franchise
08-30-2017, 09:00 AM
Is Mitchell even healthy enough to play right now? That's the issue.

Strongside
08-30-2017, 09:06 AM
All y'all pimping his PFF grades:

I am typically totally on board with PFF, but this is definitely one instance in which context is extremely important.

Haden had six picks as a rookie. He then became the only threat on that defense. Teams could easily just throw elsewhere – and they'll only throw to Haden's side of the ball in high-percentage situations, where a completion is likely due to coverage/scheme/route combinations, which leads to the high completion percentage you see in his PFF grades.

The other major contributing factor: pass rush. The pass rush in nonexistent in CLE. It just is. Give any NFL receiver enough time to get open and they'll do it – I don't care who they are. Haden and co. can't be expected to play shutdown football at the CB position without a pass rush.

Bottom line: The dude played for the Cleveland Browns. Put Richard Sherman, Marcus Peters, or any other top-tier NFL cornerback in that situation...and don't be shocked when they put up very similar numbers to Haden. He's a victim of circumstance, and we'd be a much better team with him on our defense.

EDIT: And YES, I have watched his play over the last several seasons, I'm not just basing this assessment off of assumption. The bulk of my family is from NE Ohio, so the Browns are typically, and unfortunately, a household staple.

WhawhaWhat
08-30-2017, 09:07 AM
Is Mitchell even healthy enough to play right now? That's the issue.

Will Gaines ever be healthy? Is Nelson an NFL caliber CB? Those are the other ones.

loochy
08-30-2017, 09:08 AM
Ok, so maybe he's not better than Mitchell...but what about Gaines? Hopefully he actually tries to defend passes instead of staring off into the backfield like a ding dong.

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Strongside
08-30-2017, 09:10 AM
Ok, so maybe he's not better than Mitchell...but what about Gaines? Hopefully he actually tries to defend passes instead of staring off into the backfield like a ding dong.

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That play triggered an inner rage in me that I didn't know existed at the time. It's a near miracle I'm not in prison.

ptlyon
08-30-2017, 09:11 AM
That play triggered an inner rage in me that I didn't know existed at the time. It's a near miracle I'm not in prison.

TV's are cheap

Simplicity
08-30-2017, 09:12 AM
All y'all pimping his PFF grades:

I am typically totally on board with PFF, but this is definitely one instance in which context is extremely important.

Haden had six picks as a rookie. He then became the only threat on that defense. Teams could easily just throw elsewhere – and they'll only throw to Haden's side of the ball in high-percentage situations, where a completion is likely due to coverage/scheme/route combinations, which leads to the high completion percentage you see in his PFF grades.

The other major contributing factor: pass rush. The pass rush in nonexistent in CLE. It just is. Give any NFL receiver enough time to get open and they'll do it – I don't care who they are. Haden and co. can't be expected to play shutdown football at the CB position without a pass rush.

Bottom line: The dude played for the Cleveland Browns. Put Richard Sherman, Marcus Peters, or any other top-tier NFL cornerback in that situation...and don't be shocked when they put up very similar numbers to Haden. He's a victim of circumstance, and we'd be a much better team with him on our defense.

EDIT: And YES, I have watched his play over the last several seasons, I'm not just basing this assessment off of assumption. The bulk of my family is from NE Ohio, so the Browns are typically, and unfortunately, a household staple.

Thank you for your service. This post makes more sense than any PFF stats posted in this thread so far.

JakeF
08-30-2017, 09:12 AM
Ok, so maybe he's not better than Mitchell...but what about Gaines? Hopefully he actually tries to defend passes instead of staring off into the backfield like a ding dong.
Gaines is so bad, so often. So far he's shown just enough potential to not get cut.

BlackHelicopters
08-30-2017, 09:12 AM
Thank you. No.

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 09:13 AM
They obviously have doubts about Mitchell it seems so we shall see

Based on what?

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 09:14 AM
Is Nelson an NFL caliber CB?

Yes

Strongside
08-30-2017, 09:15 AM
And if you don't believe that peripheral defense isn't damn important to the CB position, just look at Revis' numbers on teams that have a pass rush, and teams that don't. They're night and day.

Show me just about any top CB in the league, and I'll show you either a solid pass rush, or complimentary pieces in the surrounding defense that allow his play to remain at a certain level.

JakeF
08-30-2017, 09:16 AM
Based on what?Based on reports that the Chiefs and Saints are the teams showing the most interest in Haden. I believe it was Shefter and one other reporter saying it.

staylor26
08-30-2017, 09:20 AM
Based on reports that the Chiefs and Saints are the teams showing the most interest in Haden. I believe it was Shefter and one other reporter saying it.

No it said "expected". He was honestly speculative.

The Franchise
08-30-2017, 09:21 AM
I'd be fine if they brought him in. Mitchell is a good CB but his health is a question at this point (haven't heard shit about it) and Gaines is always one play away from being out for multiple games.

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 09:22 AM
Based on reports that the Chiefs and Saints are the teams showing the most interest in Haden. I believe it was Shefter and one other reporter saying it.

:facepalm:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Two teams expected to have strong interest in Joe Haden are the Saints and Chiefs.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/902869282702417921">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 09:22 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Steelers are the favorite to land former Browns CB Joe Haden.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/902912748652257280">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 09:23 AM
There's absolutely NOTHING referencing the Chiefs lack of faith in Terrance Mitchell.

Good fucking god, people.

JakeF
08-30-2017, 09:25 AM
There's absolutely NOTHING referencing the Chiefs lack of faith in Terrance Mitchell.

Good fucking god, people.
If they are showing interest in Haden then it indicates that they think Mitchell might not be healthy in time for the regular season.

loochy
08-30-2017, 09:29 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Two teams expected to have strong interest in Joe Haden are the Saints and Chiefs.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/902869282702417921">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Steelers are the favorite to land former Browns CB Joe Haden.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/902912748652257280">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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cmon schefter, jfc

staylor26
08-30-2017, 09:30 AM
If they are showing interest in Haden then it indicates that they think Mitchell might not be healthy in time for the regular season.

JFC man can you read?

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 09:30 AM
If they are showing interest in Haden then it indicates that they think Mitchell might not be healthy in time for the regular season.

That's outright stupid.

If the Chiefs have studied Haden, decide that he's an upgrade at the position and a deal can be worked out, they sign him, period.

That doesn't mean that they don't "have faith" in Mitchell or Nelson, it means they've upgraded the position.

Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 09:33 AM
That doesn't mean that they don't "have faith" in Mitchell or Nelson, it means they've upgraded the position.

this..

Anytime you can upgrade a position..you do it (if it doesnt hurt the bank too much)

This is a business and the product is wins. If you think you can add wins, or add a % chance to win more games, you pull the trigger. That doesnt mean you dont have faith the other guys can do the job, youre just trying to make the team better

edit: as intriguing as Haden is, I would be inclined to spend our cap space on a RB or WR possibly.....and help the offensive side of the ball....3rd down blocking....a possesion reciever.....I dunno. Losing maclin and ware has me more concerned about offense than defense

JakeF
08-30-2017, 09:35 AM
JFC man can you read?
Can you?

The Franchise
08-30-2017, 09:36 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Steelers are the favorite to land former Browns CB Joe Haden.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/902912748652257280">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Because the last Browns CB that they brought on worked out so well.

WhawhaWhat
08-30-2017, 09:36 AM
cmon schefter, jfc

Shefter spoke with Haden's agent and the Chiefs and Saints had made initial offers. The Steelers called later this morning and made a better offer and now they are the favorite.

notorious
08-30-2017, 09:37 AM
Meh.

Save the money for guys already on the team. Our future QB is going to need consistency.

Edit: Holy Shit, the Chiefs made an offer? wow.

Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 09:38 AM
Can you?

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wazu
08-30-2017, 09:38 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Steelers are the favorite to land former Browns CB Joe Haden.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/902912748652257280">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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He's gonna pull a Jamaal.

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 09:38 AM
Shefter spoke with Haden's agent and the Chiefs and Saints had made initial offers. The Steelers called later this morning and made a better offer and now they are the favorite.

Proof?

notorious
08-30-2017, 09:39 AM
The Steelers are a sinking ship. Roth will be done soon, and Tomlin will find out what it's like to not have a QB to bail your stupid ass out all of the time.

WhawhaWhat
08-30-2017, 09:40 AM
Proof?

It's speculation. Where else would he have got that information about the Chiefs and Saints showing interest and the Steelers now being the favorite?

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 09:41 AM
It's speculation. Where else would he have got that information about the Chiefs and Saints showing interest and the Steelers now being the favorite?

JFC, you should be banned from this thread

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 09:41 AM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/30/joe-haden-cut-cleveland-browns

Some divorces between player and team are complicated. Others are not. Joe Haden’s split with the Browns on Wednesday morning—which, if you’ve been paying attention the last few days, wasn’t exactly a shocker—is the latter.

Could Haden help Cleveland still? Absolutely. Is he the kind of player the team wouldn’t mind having around, even if he’s slipped a little, because the rest of the roster is young? Without question. Are there people on the staff there that believe, because the team’s pockets are still overflowing with cap dollars (they have around $50 million in space), it made sense to just keep him? Sure. So here’s what it came down to: Did Sashi Brown and the Cleveland brass want to invest $11.1 million cash in a guy who was no longer an eight-figure corner? After spending the last few days (to no avail) looking for a suitor to take on his contract (and the $11.1 million salary for 2017, plus de facto team options for $11.1 million and $10.4 million the next two years), the Browns gave us their answer on that.

There were other factors in play, of course.

First, Cleveland’s situation around Haden had improved. Jamar Taylor, on the books for $3.275 million against the cap and $2.525 million in cash, developed into a starting corner. Veteran Jason McCourty, who was the same type of financial casualty in Tennessee that Haden is in Cleveland, has proven more than competent at a shade under $3 million in cash and $2.344 million on the cap. Second, Haden’s injury history made it less than a sure thing that he’d be a starter. He’s missed 14 games the last two years and last played a full 16-game season during his rookie year of 2010. Preparing him to be a starter, or even the nickel, and then being unsure of whether you’d have him could take away from a younger (and cheaper) player like Briean Boddy-Calhoun being ready when his name is called. Third, new coordinator Gregg Williams’s defense doesn’t demand elite corner play the way that ex-head coach Mike Pettine’s scheme did a couple years ago. This internally knocks the value of the position down a peg, particularly when they saw potential for the pass rush to improve in 2017 around first overall pick Myles Garrett.

So you can add those to what we already mentioned: Haden’s play had declined a notch the last couple years, which was apparent to those in the division. The Steelers, for example, knew they had an edge if they could isolate Antonio Brown on Haden, having watched him roast the former Pro Bowler. Similarly, the Bengals no longer felt the need to game plan offensively around Haden as they once did. Now, that’s not to say Haden can’t play anymore. He can play, and start, for plenty of teams. He’s just not worth a top-of-the-market contract as he once was. And when the Browns found him unwilling to take a pay cut, and other teams unwilling to take on his contract (which was affirmation that he’s not an $11 million corner anymore), the team was forced to make the tough decision.

Cleveland, to be sure, could have carried Haden at his number. They likely would have been better in the short term for it, which explains why, if you’re a coach, you’d want to bite the bullet and do that. But in the long term, given the landscape that Haden’s contract and play had laid out for the team, it was abundantly clear that the corner’s days in Cleveland were numbered. And the Browns brass decided, in the end, that it was better to move on now than wait any longer for the inevitable.

WhawhaWhat
08-30-2017, 09:41 AM
JFC, you need to be banned from this thread

His agent is Drew Rosenhaus. You don't think he would be trying to work the media to drum up the best contract for his client?

sedated
08-30-2017, 09:42 AM
I would be inclined to spend our cap space on a RB or WR possibly

Who? We can't force teams to release quality offensive players. Haden is there for the taking.

Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 09:43 AM
literally every team would probably be interested in this guy so...I'm sure theres some furious phone calls happening around the league


Browns draw the attention of virtually every other NFL team by cutting cornerback Joe Haden




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/08/30/browns-draw-the-attention-of-virtually-every-other-nfl-team-by-cutting-cornerback-joe-haden/?utm_term=.2df542afca76

Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 09:45 AM
Who? We can't force teams to release quality offensive players. Haden is there for the taking.

well not exactly...

he is going to get multiple offers...

if its true that we have 8 million in cap space he might go for more than that....

8 million wouldnt even put him in the top 20

edit: i'm not saying it WONT happen or it wouldnt be cool...but thinking that he is just there to be had easily isn't exactly true...shit the pats could grab him cheap on some back loaded deal if dude wants to get a ring...

O.city
08-30-2017, 09:46 AM
well not exactly...

he is going to get multiple offers...

if its true that we have 8 million in cap space he might go for more than that....

8 million wouldnt even put him in the top 20

He's already getting 4 from the browns I think. I don't figure he'll get anywhere near 8 for a year.

notorious
08-30-2017, 09:46 AM
Damnit, why didn't the Chiefs plant drugs in his car to drive the price down?

Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 09:49 AM
He's already getting 4 from the browns I think. I don't figure he'll get anywhere near 8 for a year.

well that would be nice

i didnt think of that 4 million counting against CLE

O.city
08-30-2017, 09:49 AM
I'm not sure he can run anymore.

I'd probably pass unless it's super cheap

mcaj22
08-30-2017, 09:51 AM
you offer him under 4 the Browns on the hook for 4, theres his 7-8 million total if you can get him in the 3-3.9 million range

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 09:52 AM
I'm not sure he can run anymore.

I'd probably pass unless it's super cheap

If the Chiefs could sign him for $2 million or less, they should be all in.

Otherwise, they're overpaying for a guy that hasn't stayed healthy recently and has only played in 18 of the last 32 games.

People complain about Gaines, well, he's been like Gaines in the health department.

O.city
08-30-2017, 09:55 AM
If the Chiefs could sign him for $2 million or less, they should be all in.

Otherwise, they're overpaying for a guy that hasn't stayed healthy recently and has only played in 18 of the last 32 games.

People complain about Gaines, well, he's been like Gaines in the health department.

The thing is, he's been the number 1 guy in Cleveland from what I've watched so he's been thrown at quite a bit.

He wouldn't be asked to do as much here but with that, I'd rather use that money in a potential rb or wr

JakeF
08-30-2017, 09:56 AM
His agent is Drew Rosenhaus. You don't think he would be trying to work the media to drum up the best contract for his client?
Don't bother, he is another rage poster who shows no respect to anyone else because he doesn't respect himself. Nothing you say can change that.

Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 09:56 AM
you know who is PRIME to over pay for this guy...

the Raiders

sean smith looking at jail time....the raiders have 13 million in cap space i think

they are also looking at a playoff run
hmmmm

notorious
08-30-2017, 09:57 AM
you know who is PRIME to over pay for this guy...

the Raiders

sean smith looking at jail time....the raiders have 13 million in cap space i think

they are also looking at a playoff run
hmmmm

I hope they get him.

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 10:00 AM
Don't bother, he is another rage poster who shows no respect to anyone else because he doesn't respect himself. Nothing you say can change that.

Shut the fuck up, Moron.

The guy posted speculation as FACT.

Fuck you.

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 10:01 AM
The thing is, he's been the number 1 guy in Cleveland from what I've watched so he's been thrown at quite a bit.

He wouldn't be asked to do as much here but with that, I'd rather use that money in a potential rb or wr

With more than $8 million in cap space, they have enough dough to spend $2 million on Haden (due to his offset) and to add a running back.

At this point in the season, the only running backs and wide receivers on the market will be Vet Min guys and outside of a few, I'm not sure what they'd even bring to the table.

ct
08-30-2017, 10:02 AM
you offer him under 4 the Browns on the hook for 4, theres his 7-8 million total if you can get him in the 3-3.9 million range

dont think that's how the offset works

KC signs him for $2M, the Browns cover another $2M up to $4M

KC signs him for $4M, the browns owe him nothing

i think...

I'd certainly bring him in for a good price, say $4M but i would NOT overpay. Offer a 'prove-it' deal with an option, if he finds better, fine.

edit: and reading more, i'm wrong, so there ya go. browns on the hook for full $4M

JakeF
08-30-2017, 10:02 AM
Shut the fuck up, Moron.

The guy posted speculation as FACT.

Fuck you.
Case and point. Apparently, you caught your wife getting gang banged by the local High School Football team. You scream and cuss at every poster for no reason whatsoever.

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 10:02 AM
Case and point. Rage.

You're a fucking idiot.

It has nothing to do with "rage" it has to do with posting speculation as FACT.

WhawhaWhat
08-30-2017, 10:05 AM
The guy posted speculation as FACT.

You thought I called Adam Shefter and confirmed that he spoke with Haden's agent? I think most people here understood that it was purely speculation.

Go ahead and have another meltdown.

pugsnotdrugs19
08-30-2017, 10:05 AM
Pittsburgh is the favorite per Schefter

JakeF
08-30-2017, 10:06 AM
You're a fucking idiot.

It has nothing to do with "rage" it has to do with posting speculation as FACT.
Nobody is posting anything as fact, this is all speculation. All these threads are discussing opinions. People are voicing their opinions and you refuse to allow for any opinions but your own. Rage.

JakeF
08-30-2017, 10:07 AM
Pittsburgh is the favorite per SchefterSince Pittsburgh is valid playoff competitive team, I wouldn't doubt it. Comes down to money again.

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 10:09 AM
You thought I called Adam Shefter and confirmed that he spoke with Haden's agent? I think most people here understood that it was purely speculation.

Go ahead and have another meltdown.

Fuck off.

You lied. Even Notorious thought that the Chiefs made an offer due to your rampant dumbassery.

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 10:10 AM
Shefter spoke with Haden's agent and the Chiefs and Saints had made initial offers. The Steelers called later this morning and made a better offer and now they are the favorite.

It's speculation. Where else would he have got that information about the Chiefs and Saints showing interest and the Steelers now being the favorite?

Fucking outright LIES

O.city
08-30-2017, 10:10 AM
With more than $8 million in cap space, they have enough dough to spend $2 million on Haden (due to his offset) and to add a running back.

At this point in the season, the only running backs and wide receivers on the market will be Vet Min guys and outside of a few, I'm not sure what they'd even bring to the table.

True but I'd like to be able to roll a bit over into next war if possible.

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 10:10 AM
Nobody is posting anything as fact, this is all speculation. All these threads are discussing opinions. People are voicing their opinions and you refuse to allow for any opinions but your own. Rage.

Stupid

Shefter spoke with Haden's agent and the Chiefs and Saints had made initial offers. The Steelers called later this morning and made a better offer and now they are the favorite.

It's speculation. Where else would he have got that information about the Chiefs and Saints showing interest and the Steelers now being the favorite?

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 10:11 AM
True but I'd like to be able to roll a bit over into next war if possible.

Next year is next year.

If the Chiefs can upgrade the roster and have the money to do so, they need to do it.

It's about winning a Super Bowl this year, not next year or the year after.

WhawhaWhat
08-30-2017, 10:21 AM
****ing outright LIES

I'll make sure to add a disclaimer on any speculation in the future just for you to help you understand.

TimBone
08-30-2017, 10:23 AM
Next year is next year.

If the Chiefs can upgrade the roster and have the money to do so, they need to do it.

It's about winning a Super Bowl this year, not next year or the year after.
If you believe the team has a realistic chance at the SB this year.

carcosa
08-30-2017, 10:49 AM
SIGN HIM CARL!!!!

gblowfish
08-30-2017, 10:54 AM
If the guy is All-Pro or borderline, why would the Browns let him go? Doesn't make sense.

The Franchise
08-30-2017, 10:56 AM
If the guy is All-Pro or borderline, why would the Browns let him go? Doesn't make sense.

Browns asked for a paycut. Haden declined.

gblowfish
08-30-2017, 10:57 AM
Browns asked for a paycut. Haden declined.
Hmmmm...if they asked for a pay cut, they must feel like he's declined a lot. Maybe if he has a chip on his shoulder, he'll go out and kick ass this year.

BTW: Northern Ohio fan site is called "Factory of Sadness." Poor Browns fans.
https://factoryofsadness.co/

KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN
08-30-2017, 11:07 AM
If you believe the team has a realistic chance at the SB this year.

Once Mahomes takes over as the starting quarterback the sky's the limit! Joe Haden's attitude will change immensely going from Cleveland to a contender.

KChiefs1
08-30-2017, 11:15 AM
That play triggered an inner rage in me that I didn't know existed at the time. It's a near miracle I'm not in prison.


That play actually worked out for the Chiefs.

Marcellus
08-30-2017, 11:28 AM
If Pitt really wants him, and they know him well from playing them twice a year, then he must have some upside left.

ptlyon
08-30-2017, 11:30 AM
If Pitt really wants him, and they know him well from playing them twice a year, then he must have some upside left.

They know he makes excellent strawberry daiquiris

penbrook
08-30-2017, 11:53 AM
That play actually worked out for the Chiefs.

Yea because Smith came in clutch and drove down the field and converted multiple fourth down plays and hit Tyreek for the TD with almost no time left. One of Alex's best drives

Chiefshrink
08-30-2017, 11:54 AM
This guy would be a huge upgrade as our #2.

Do we have the $$ ??

Dartgod
08-30-2017, 11:56 AM
They know he makes excellent strawberry daiquiris

Is this a fact? Or just speculation?

ptlyon
08-30-2017, 11:57 AM
Is this a fact? Or just speculation?

Oh let's not get into that shit again!

BWillie
08-30-2017, 12:14 PM
I heard Joe Haden is looking at houses in Leawood with Ty Law.

ForeverChiefs58
08-30-2017, 12:16 PM
Jets still looking to trade Sheldon Richardson


http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/70774/sheldon-richardson-in-play-as-jets-look-to-continue-roster-overhaul

Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 12:16 PM
Is this a fact? Or just speculation?

hahahahaha

thems fighting words

cuss words so nsfw?
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KranzDictum
08-30-2017, 12:20 PM
If the guy is All-Pro or borderline, why would the Browns let him go? Doesn't make sense.

They are resetting their roster going with what the new HC wants in players plus their GM is into the Moneyball thing.

They don't have a QB, they are starting a rookie so they are dumping cap and letting the Moneyball players they brought in play to play in the new coaches system.

WhawhaWhat
08-30-2017, 12:21 PM
I heard Joe Haden is looking at houses in Leawood with Ty Law.

Proof?

JakeF
08-30-2017, 12:22 PM
Jets still looking to trade Sheldon Richardson


http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/70774/sheldon-richardson-in-play-as-jets-look-to-continue-roster-overhaul
Destroying their team by the rumors, not worth the risk to the team.

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 12:48 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Steelers?src=hash">#Steelers</a> get the first &amp; potentially only visit from FA Joe Haden. They can make sure he never leaves (except to get his things from CLE).</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/902963824881479681">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 12:48 PM
Breer says the Steelers match him up with Brown because Haden is declining, yet the Steelers want to sign him?

Odd.

Pasta Little Brioni
08-30-2017, 12:51 PM
Ty Law?

Red Dawg
08-30-2017, 12:51 PM
Pity has trash for a secondary. They are desperate.

MMXcalibur
08-30-2017, 12:51 PM
Ok, so maybe he's not better than Mitchell...but what about Gaines? Hopefully he actually tries to defend passes instead of staring off into the backfield like a ding dong.

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/876Fx-rSXeUcSD4SCBZcd8myos0=/0x0:503x300/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:503x300):no_upscale()/cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7543747/treev.gif

I like Gaines reaction at the end of that play.
Like: "who's fault was that?!?!"

In the end though, that long TD actually helped us tie the game.
Stupid Donks.

RedSea90
08-30-2017, 12:54 PM
He's gonna be in Pittsburgh tonight visiting and I don't think he leaves without a deal. Looks like we're still stuck with Gaines...


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ModSocks
08-30-2017, 12:54 PM
He's gonna be in Pittsburgh tonight visiting and I don't think he leaves without a deal. Looks like we're still stuck with Gaines...


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Mitchel is practicing again.

Mav
08-30-2017, 12:54 PM
Last two years has been injured. This year is supposedly healthy but has getting torched all camp including by Brandon Marshall on a straight go route. Was never fast to begin with and now his acceleration and agility have diminished.


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DaWolf
08-30-2017, 12:56 PM
He's gonna be in Pittsburgh tonight visiting and I don't think he leaves without a deal. Looks like we're still stuck with Gaines...


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Gonna be a lot of guys released in a few days. I doubt we're done with moves...

RedSea90
08-30-2017, 12:56 PM
Mitchel is practicing again.



Still gonna need depth. We all know what happened to Marcus Cooper...played well half of a season and was shit the next. Can't risk it especially if he's available at the right price.


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Chiefshrink
08-30-2017, 01:00 PM
Gonna be a lot of guys released in a few days. I doubt we're done with moves...

Precisely !!!:thumb:

Strongside
08-30-2017, 01:01 PM
Gaines is hot garbage. He's going to be a liability all year if we don't upgrade that spot.

JakeF
08-30-2017, 01:03 PM
Gaines is hot garbage. He's going to be a liability all year if we don't upgrade that spot.Didn't Brady just follow Gaines around all game long last year?

Chiefshrink
08-30-2017, 01:04 PM
Pity has trash for a secondary. They are desperate.

This. And why they were so fortunate to play us in the playoffs because they were never scared of AS going deep, but their 2ndary got exposed against the Pats.

Chiefshrink
08-30-2017, 01:05 PM
Gaines is hot garbage. He's going to be a liability all year if we don't upgrade that spot.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

ModSocks
08-30-2017, 01:12 PM
Didn't Brady just follow Gaines around all game long last year?

Yes. Every team did.

Best22
08-30-2017, 01:29 PM
Didn't Brady just follow Gaines around all game long last year?

The only time Gaines played Brady, we won 41-14
Gaines missed the 2015 playoffs

O.city
08-30-2017, 02:20 PM
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/902989071689109505

Yeesh

thegame214
08-30-2017, 02:20 PM
Yikes that's a lot

O.city
08-30-2017, 02:21 PM
Yeah they worked that deal out that fast? I'm skeptical

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 02:22 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haden agrees to three-year, $27 million deal. He&#39;ll make $7 million in 2017.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/902989530017525760">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 02:23 PM
I'm glad the Chiefs didn't jump into that pool.

Holy shit.

Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 02:27 PM
meh

if you look at starting CB salaries it isnt that big of a deal. 7 million is mid level starting CB cash..

its actually low end #1 CB / high end #2 cb coin so pretty middle of the road for a starter...and those numbers keep going up so in 3 years it will be solid #2 CB money

The Franchise
08-30-2017, 02:27 PM
3 years for $27 million? ROFL You're dumb as fuck, Steelers.

Strongside
08-30-2017, 02:27 PM
Wanted the guy but no thanks for that price. Fuck that noise.

Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 02:28 PM
IOW it might be worth it to Pittsburg to try and get another ring....I mean they have a tight window...Hell if I was a pitt fan, i'd be OK with it

PAChiefsGuy
08-30-2017, 02:29 PM
3 years for $27 million? ROFL You're dumb as ****, Steelers.

Steelers are not dumb... Not to say every contract they do is great but that's not an organization I would talk sh*t on. They are good.

Marcellus
08-30-2017, 02:29 PM
No thanks. Not at that price.

Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 02:30 PM
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/cornerback/

ModSocks
08-30-2017, 02:30 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haden agrees to three-year, $27 million deal. He&#39;ll make $7 million in 2017.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/902989530017525760">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Too much. Though i'd imagine a bounce back year this season followed by a career collapse. usually how these things go.

Titty Meat
08-30-2017, 02:30 PM
Pittsburghs window is closing not a bad signing

ModSocks
08-30-2017, 02:31 PM
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/cornerback/

LMAO @ Bears paying over $5Mill for Marcus Cooper.

Ming the Merciless
08-30-2017, 02:32 PM
LMAO @ Bears paying over $5Mill for Marcus Cooper.

kinda makes Haden look like a bargain

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 02:32 PM
Pittsburghs window is closing not a bad signing

The biggest issue is whether or not he can stay healthy this year.

He played 13 games last year but only 5 the year before.

notorious
08-30-2017, 02:33 PM
Holy shit.


Sinking ship.

DaneMcCloud
08-30-2017, 02:33 PM
Too much. Though i'd imagine a bounce back year this season followed by a career collapse. usually how these things go.

I think it'll depend on how the contract is structured.

If there's no guaranteed money, they can cut him after a year.

Pasta Little Brioni
08-30-2017, 02:37 PM
Des per ate

penbrook
08-30-2017, 02:44 PM
Any CBs that might be cut that would be worth a look

pugsnotdrugs19
08-30-2017, 02:45 PM
No way I'm giving Haden $9M per year. Not even close.

Oh well. I still believe the Terrance Mitchell we had in December is better than anything we've seen from Haden in a few years. Our depth needs addressed with waivers, though.

Red Dawg
08-30-2017, 02:48 PM
That is money blown for nothing.

penbrook
08-30-2017, 02:49 PM
Will Mitchell be ready for Thursday's game? The last thing I want is Brady destroying Gaines over and over again

penbrook
08-30-2017, 02:49 PM
Thank god Veach didn't overpay unlike a certain former GM of ours who thinks money grows on trees

hometeam
08-30-2017, 03:01 PM
we dodged a bullet here. Dude is bad.

Willie Lanier
08-30-2017, 03:10 PM
3 years for $27 million? ROFL You're dumb as ****, Steelers.

Yeah, I thought he would MAYBE get 3 years 21 mil but would have to settle for 3 years 18 mil or 2 years 15 mil, but those numbers are ridiculous

DJ's left nut
08-30-2017, 03:37 PM
Pittsburghs window is closing not a bad signing

Yes it is.

Haden's probably nothing more than a slot CB at this point in his career. He's lost several steps over the last 2 years due to injury and the odds of that coming back are remote.

I suspect he'll only see 1 year of that deal and then get cut. He's not a #1 CB and he's very possibly not even a viable #2 at this point.

DJ's left nut
08-30-2017, 03:39 PM
Yeah, I thought he would MAYBE get 3 years 21 mil but would have to settle for 3 years 18 mil or 2 years 15 mil, but those numbers are ridiculous

I thought 1 yr/$4 million.

Seriously - that's all I'd have given him. Short term, little risk and let him try to re-establish his value.

There's no way I'd have given him a multi-year deal unless there's zero signing bonus in the subsequent years. (essentially giving him guaranteed salary in year 1 with team options in every remaining year).

There's a better than average chance that he's done as a starting cornerback.

O.city
08-30-2017, 03:44 PM
Injuries to already slow corners don't go very well.

Halfcan
08-30-2017, 03:46 PM
Pittsburghs window is closing not a bad signing

Really, for last year's 115th ranked CB that has had injuries and reportedly looked like shit in training camp?

Glad the Chiefs didn't pay that. :clap:

notorious
08-30-2017, 04:08 PM
9 million for a broke dick off a loser team


Enjoy him Steeler fan. You guys are screwed.

thabear04
08-30-2017, 04:24 PM
Well Steelers had a former browns CB (Justin Gilbert) and he was shit.

RealSNR
08-30-2017, 04:36 PM
I'd rather pay a 5th rounder for Cam Erving than pay $9 million/year for Joe Haden.