Browns Trade OL Cam Erving To Chiefs

[okiedokieokoye]

For a 2018 5th Round pick.

[notorious]

Oh Shit.

[DJ's left nut]

Please be the end of Jah Reid. Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease.

[Buns]

SAY WHAY KARAOKE

[okiedokieokoye]

Not quite the ex-Brown I expected this morning.

[O.city]

Direkshun orgasms

[okiedokieokoye]

Erving is set to make just under $1.3 million this year and is signed for just over $1.7 million next year on a rookie deal that also includes a team option for the 2019 season.

[Marcellus]

I'll take it.

[Buehler445]

So where is he lining up for us? Who is getting the shitcan? (In before Fisher :D)

[Discuss Thrower]

HAWT STOVE

[Chief Roundup]

Damn

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[KChiefs1]

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[notorious]

That's amazing value. A 5th for that talent?

[The Franchise]

Dude....Veach. Holy shit.

[okiedokieokoye]

I think Veach realized that our OL depth was a pretty glaring weakness during these preseason games.

[notorious]

Give 77 his fuck-off papers.

[Discuss Thrower]

Heh, most redditors on /r/nfl aren't quite saying the Chiefs' won this deal.

[Kiimo]

Veach picking up all the dudes he scouted and wished we drafted I guess.

[okiedokieokoye]

Scouting report from Terez: 1. Cameron Erving, 6-5, 313, Florida State

Bio: Three-year starter who played in 55 career games. Turns 23 this year. 34 1/8-inch arms. 10 3/8-inch hands. 5.15 40-yard dash. 30 bench reps. 30.5-inch vertical. 112-inch broad jump. 7.48 3-cone drill. 4.63 20-yard shuttle.

Evaluation: Very long for a center. Has good bend. Can mirror pass rushers with good feet. Converted tackle. Can get to the second level. Can make reach blocks and is big and athletic enough to turn and wall a guy off. Has a big base, can anchor decently in pass pro. Only OK athleticism on screens. Is not a nasty guy but generally gets the job done and can generate movement at the point of attack in the running game. Not sure how aware he is on stunts at center. Good get off at the snap. Flexible enough to get low in his stance in pass pro. Aware as a run blocker; on zone runs he’ll peel off to pick up blitzing backer to create gaps. Wish he showed more pop/effort at the second level and in space. Wish he showed more of a mean streak but will protect his guy - ran over to clean the pile off a gang tackle vs Oregon and was first OL there. Has a powerful punch — shoves guys to the ground a lot. Needs to keep his feet moving in pass pro. Long arms could be an issue in the trenches — squatty guys could get into his body quicker — but has more than enough ability to play guard if center doesn’t work out.

[notorious]

Chiefs coaching>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cleveland coaching



He will be something here.

[JakeF]

So where is he lining up for us? Who is getting the shitcan? (In before Fisher :D)
Backup swing tackle?
Left guard?

[DJ's left nut]

That's amazing value. A 5th for that talent?

Eh, he's probably really shitty. He's like Haden - people don't seem to be acknowledging how truly terrible he's been the last 2 years.

But the bar he needs to clear is Jah Reid and Jah Reid is fucking awful. He can probably manage that.

[T-post Tom]

19th overall pick in 2015.

[okiedokieokoye]

Thoughts about this though?

Chiefs have traded away their 1st (Mahomes), 5th (Erving) and 7th (Acker) picks in 2018 draft.

[Dante84]

Holy fucking shit!

Veach has dick out and all over everything. Faces, tables, bowls of cereal, eyeballs...

[penbrook]

Veach is already better than Dorsey.

[penbrook]

Thoughts about this though?

Chiefs have traded away their 1st (Mahomes), 5th (Erving) and 7th (Acker) picks in 2018 draft.

Veach ain't waiting for the future. He wants to win a super bowl now!

[DJ's left nut]

Chiefs coaching>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cleveland coaching



He will be something here.

The Browns have been among the best in football at developing OL over the last several years.

His coaching in Cleveland has been fine. He's probably just bad.

[T-post Tom]

Heh, most redditors on /r/nfl aren't quite saying the Chiefs' won this deal.

That's a good sign.

[JakeF]

Veach is already better than Dorsey.
How can you reach that conclusion before a single regular season snap has been played?

[Dante84]

Thoughts about this though?

Chiefs have traded away their 1st (Mahomes), 5th (Erving) and 7th (Acker) picks in 2018 draft.

Feeling really fucking great about it!

If you would have told me 2 years ago that we'd give up a 5th in '18 for Cam Erving, I would have told you to quit fucking with me.

[DaneMcCloud]

Veach is killing it.

[The Franchise]

The Browns have been among the best in football at developing OL over the last several years.

His coaching in Cleveland has been fine. He's probably just bad.

And bad is still better than Reid.

[penbrook]

Veach is killing it.

I like how he actually addresses our needs.

[T-post Tom]

Thoughts about this though?

Chiefs have traded away their 1st (Mahomes), 5th (Erving) and 7th (Acker) picks in 2018 draft.

All good trades considering what they received in return. 5th and 7th round picks are negligible. Only way any of this goes south is if Mahomes doesn't pan out, which is doubtful barring a catastrophic injury.

[penbrook]

Ragland, Erving, and now showing interest in Haden. Veach ain't messing around

[DaneMcCloud]

The Browns have been among the best in football at developing OL over the last several years.

His coaching in Cleveland has been fine. He's probably just bad.

Getting a former 1st round, versatile talent for what should be a late 5th is great value.

I doubt that the Chiefs could have drafted an offensive lineman with his ceiling in the late 5th.

[Kiimo]

This guy only played two years on offensive line. He might have been bad but is nowhere near his ceiling yet.

[Skyy God]

Better have been a conditional 5th.

[Quesadilla Joe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Surprised CLE was able to get an asset for Erving, who has been a clear liability at each OL position he&#39;s played. <a href="https://t.co/KvtTLCHFJp">https://t.co/KvtTLCHFJp</a></p>&mdash; Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/902953894334083075">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Titty Meat]

Erving was awful in Cleveland

[penbrook]

Chiefs O line is very good. With the right coaching Erving will be a nice swing tackle. Reid better be cut

[Strongside]

Veach out here bustin' heads 'n shit.

[Strongside]

Erving was awful in Cleveland

There it is.

[ClevelandBronco]

So y'all finally wised up and got yourselves one of those 1-15 Cleveland Browns. I guess congratulations are in order.

[penbrook]

I wonder who else Veach will try and sign or trade for. He ain't fucking around

[T-post Tom]

Better have been a conditional 5th.

810 mentioned that was most likely the case, but they have not confirmed it.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Our tackle depth was truly terrible, so I can't complain... he hasn't played well yet but maybe that changes here like it has for many other players.

[penbrook]

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
#Chiefs take on the roughly $3 million still guaranteed on Erving's contract over next 2 years. #Browns' new regime gains more flexibility.

[Titty Meat]

There it is.

Highly doubtful you've ever seen the guy play. Cleveland played him at every position minus left guard. He wasn't good.

[saphojunkie]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Surprised CLE was able to get an asset for Erving, who has been a clear liability at each OL position he&#39;s played. <a href="https://t.co/KvtTLCHFJp">https://t.co/KvtTLCHFJp</a></p>&mdash; Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/902953894334083075">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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It must suck to watch KC land a top 20 draft pick for a future fifth, while Elway just trades swigs off a bottle of Gordon's gin with the Bowlens.

Welcome to last place.

[DJ's left nut]

And bad is still better than Reid.

I agree - I suggested am Erving trade in the draft forum yesterday specifically to get rid of Nah Reid. This is a good trade provided that it costs Reid his job and not Witzmann.

But folks are going a wee crazy here. A 5th is about right for a swing tackle/backup interior lineman. This isn't the guy that was a 1st rounder when Direkshun foolishly spent months jerking off to him.

He's a below average NFL player with a cheap contract and some versatility. A 5th is fair. This is a nominal asset spent to address the margins of the roster and a position of some need. It's not a heist - it's just a move that you should probably expect of a solid GM.

[ModSocks]

I doubt it's Reid that's out, lol.

Have you seen our other tackles? My god....My money is on Reid sticking.

[Chiefshrink]

Veach picking up all the dudes he scouted and wished we drafted I guess.

A lot of truth here.

Wonder what is the "catch" i.e. to his play ?

We need "milkman"'s take on him since he is our NFL o-lineman specialist.:thumb:

[Titty Meat]

I doubt it's Reid that's out, lol.

Have you seen our other tackles? My god....My money is on Reid sticking.

Agreed. Isiah Battle is the worst lineman I've ever seen play just terrible.

[penbrook]

At least he won't be playing center

https://mobile.twitter.com/Steve_R_Walker/status/902600596926103553/photo/1

[Kiimo]

So y'all finally wised up and got yourselves one of those 1-15 Cleveland Browns. I guess congratulations are in order.

Maybe they can trade you Cody Kessler, he'd start in Denver

[The Franchise]

I doubt it's Reid that's out, lol.

Have you seen our other tackles? My god....My money is on Reid sticking.

Ehhhh....I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ehinger is backing up the OG spots and he's not on PUP anymore. We still have Fulton to back up OG and OC. I highly doubt they're keeping 2 swing tackles.

[KranzDictum]

I was worried that you guys went and got Hayden He would have been the 2nd best CB on your team.

Glad you got Erving instead.

[carcosa]

SUPER BOWL TIX, PRINT THEM

[Red Dawg]

Nice. Immediately better. Build the OL for Mahomes.

[NIUhuskies]

Erving is literally worse than a turnstile. Unless we want Mahomes to get killed this was a bad trade IMO. He's just awful, Browns fans are laughing at us. Come on Veach, spend the money on Haden instead


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[saphojunkie]

I agree - I suggested am Erving trade in the draft forum yesterday specifically to get rid of Nah Reid. This is a good trade provided that it costs Reid his job and not Witzmann.

But folks are going a wee crazy here. A 5th is about right for a swing tackle/backup interior lineman. This isn't the guy that was a 1st rounder when Direkshun foolishly spent months jerking off to him.

He's a below average NFL player with a cheap contract and some versatility. A 5th is fair. This is a nominal asset spent to address the margins of the roster and a position of some need. It's not a heist - it's just a move that you should probably expect of a solid GM.

The jury is still out on him. He's played for two years with the worst coaching in the NFL. A 5th is a steal for what could still be a really good player. There was a reason he was that high of a pick, and that reason hasn't been disproven yet.

He could absolutely suck. But a 5th is a cheap, cheap, cheap price to pay for a guy who could still turn into a starter and good player - at a position of DIRE need for us, as well.

[DJ's left nut]

Getting a former 1st round, versatile talent for what should be a late 5th is great value.

I doubt that the Chiefs could have drafted an offensive lineman with his ceiling in the late 5th.

Hes 2 years removed from the 1st round and despite a ton of opportunity he hasn't improved.

Hes Jonathan Baldwin. His draft status just doesn't matter that much right now. Besides, weren't you on the other side of this conversation with me yesterday?

I'm glad we got him but folks are way overselling him and are way too fired up. I'd bet he's out of football in 2 years. A 5th for that gamble is fine but not world altering.

[T-post Tom]

So y'all finally wised up and got yourselves one of those 1-15 Cleveland Browns. I guess congratulations are in order.

Donk logic or sour grapes....irrelevant either way. Truth: Good move for Chiefs even he remains a versatile, multi position back up. :)

[JakeF]

At least he won't be playing center

https://mobile.twitter.com/Steve_R_Walker/status/902600596926103553/photo/1
I think he's started more at center than any other position in the last few years.

[thabear04]

Didn't someone wanted him in the draft and was pissed they didn't pick him up.

[BigRedChief]

I'll take it.5th rounder? All day long. They are always a gamble pick anyway.:clap:

[The Franchise]

Erving is literally worse than a turnstile. Unless we want Mahomes to get killed this was a bad trade IMO. He's just awful, Browns fans are laughing at us. Come on Veach, spend the money on Haden instead


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We're not blowing a bunch of money on him. His cap hits are $1.2M each year.

[TambaBerry]

veach is playing madden

[O.city]

People are up in arms over losing a 4th and a 5th round pick? Who gives a shit

[Chiefshrink]

Chiefs O line is very good.

They are "decent" not "very good" at this point at least in the run game so far this pre-season, what I am watching for once the season starts will be the pass blocking. This must improve if Alex supposedly gets more aggressive downfield this season. Otherwise it will be 'primary' then to check down'.

[Ming the Merciless]

Jah reid, can you please go to ray farmer's office and bring your playbook?

[penbrook]

We're not blowing a bunch of money on him. His cap hits are $1.2M each year.

If we don't sign Haden I still expect Veach to sign a CB after teams cut down their final 53

[notorious]

People are up in arms over losing a 4th and a 5th round pick? Who gives a shit

.

[JakeF]

Hes 2 years removed from the 1st round and despite a ton of opportunity he hasn't improved.

Hes Jonathan Baldwin. His draft status just doesn't matter that much right now. Besides, weren't you on the other side of this conversation with me yesterday?

I'm glad we got him but folks are way overselling him and are way too fired up. I'd bet he's out of football in 2 years. A 5th for that gamble is fine but not world altering.
Giving up a 5th for Jonathan Baldwin would have been considered a terrible move for another team back when we unloaded him.

[DJ's left nut]

Ehhhh....I wouldn't be so sure about that. Ehinger is backing up the OG spots and he's not on PUP anymore. We still have Fulton to back up OG and OC. I highly doubt they're keeping 2 swing tackles.

Exactly. And if Witzman sticks (I think he can), there's simply no room for Reid.

[DaneMcCloud]

They are "decent" not "very good" at this point

:facepalm:

[penbrook]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Chiefs using future draft picks to build present roster- Patrick Mahomes, Reggie Ragland, Cam Erving.

[The Franchise]

If the Chiefs are smart.....they take Erving and decide on one fucking position for him. Build him up as a swing tackle. The Browns kind of fucked themselves by moving him around a bunch.

[DaneMcCloud]

People are up in arms over losing a 4th and a 5th round pick? Who gives a shit

A 2019 4th for Ragland was an amazing trade.

Erving for a 5th was a nice trade that, sadly, provides an upgrade to Jah Reid and Jordan Devey.

The Chiefs have done a tremendous job coaching up late round offensive talent (LDT, Ehinger, Fulton) have done a very nice job with Fisher and Morse, not to mention Witzmann, a small school UDFA.

I think Erving will be fine as a backup.

[Halfcan]

Hopefully, Veech can trade away some guys that will be cut and get some of these draft picks back.

[O.city]

A 2019 4th for Ragland was an amazing trade.

Erving for a 5th was a nice trade that, sadly, provides an upgrade to Jah Reid and Jordan Devey.

The Chiefs have done a tremendous job coaching up late round offensive talent (LDT, Ehinger, Fulton) and have done a very nice job with Fisher and Morse.

I think Erving will be fine as a backup.

Yeah I just can't get too upset over losing late picks. Chances of them hitting on the pick is low anyway

[NIUhuskies]

Uggggg. https://twitter.com/nickwilson923/status/902957560185139201


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[Chiefshrink]

I was worried that you guys went and got Hayden He would have been the 2nd best CB on your team.

Glad you got Erving instead.

Wouldn't be surprised IF Veach is trying to pull that off as well even though we probably can't afford him.:shrug:

[ChiTown]

The Browns have been among the best in football at developing OL over the last several years.

His coaching in Cleveland has been fine. He's probably just bad.

That's my vote as well. This doesn't make make a lot of sense to me, but whatever

[DaneMcCloud]

Veach, go get Matt Jones and call it a day

[JakeF]

Our draft in 2018 as of right now?

2nd
3rd
6th
6th (comp)

[staylor26]

Another good trade by Veach

[The Franchise]

If he sucks? Oh fucking well. We attempted to coach up someone that apparently was talented at one time and it only cost us a 5th round pick. Cut him and sign someone else to do the job. If it works out.....then we got a swing tackle that's young and talented.

Nothing lost here.

[staylor26]

Our draft in 2018 as of right now?

2nd
3rd
6th
6th (comp)

Where's our 4th? The Ragalnd trade was for a 2019 4th, so unless I'm missing something we should have one.

[Hammock Parties]

More proof that the LG position is a dumpster fire. Ehinger and Witzmann won't even be on this roster next year.

Excellent trade. Erving sucked at LT but I bet he can plug in at guard and be a big upgrade immediately.

[The Franchise]

More proof that the LG position is a dumpster fire. Ehinger and Witzmann won't even be on this roster next year.

Excellent trade. Erving sucked at LT but I bet he can plug in at guard and be a big upgrade immediately.

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[staylor26]

More proof that the LG position is a dumpster fire. Ehinger and Witzmann won't even be on this roster next year.

Excellent trade. Erving sucked at LT but I bet he can plug in at guard and be a big upgrade immediately.

:facepalm:

Holy shit you can't possibly be this stupid. Erving is clearly going to be our swing tackle you ****ing moron.

[Titty Meat]

Yeah I just can't get too upset over losing late picks. Chances of them hitting on the pick is low anyway

Who's upset? The question is if Fisher goes down are we still fucked? The answer is yes.

[Quesadilla Joe]

It must suck to watch KC land a top 20 draft pick for a future fifth, while Elway just trades swigs off a bottle of Gordon's gin with the Bowlens.

Welcome to last place.

Elway gave up a conditional 7th for a much better guard, in Allen Barbre.

[mcaj22]

Erving still needs work but his versatility makes him the perfect 6th olineman, hes better than any of the depth the Chiefs have, not sure if hes everyday starter material yet. This makes Jah Reid expendable and that alone is a net gain

[staylor26]

Elway gave up a conditional 7th for a much better guard, in Allen Barbre.

Barber also sucks and he's 33 years old with no upside. Huge difference you ****ing idiot.

[Ming the Merciless]

Barber also sucks and he's 33 years old with no upside. Huge difference you [BUTT]****ing idiot.

f y p

[DaneMcCloud]

Who's upset? The question is if Fisher goes down are we still fucked? The answer is yes.

I disagree.

Schwartz and Morse can play LT and I wouldn't be surprised if the Doc could play at LT, either.

While it wouldn't be ideal, they have enough versatility in the offensive line room to keep them afloat.

[Kiimo]

Elway is starting a QB who couldn't win a job at Northwestern over practice squad wide receiver Kain Coulter.

[Titty Meat]

I disagree.

Schwartz and Morse can play LT and I wouldn't be surprised if the Doc could play at LT, either.

While it wouldn't be ideal, they have enough versatility in the offensive line room to keep them afloat.

I've heard Fulton would be the backup LT. I don't see how that's possible.

[Kiimo]

https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/902956763061858314


Brandon Kiley‏ @BKSportsTalk

Bottom line: Cam Erving is younger, cheaper and more athletic than Jah Reid. He upgrades the OL depth for a 5th round pick. Trade works.

[DaneMcCloud]

I've heard Fulton would be the backup LT. I don't see how that's possible.

He practiced at RT and LT this preseason but he's not the backup RT & LT.

The coaches were just taking a look.

[Hammock Parties]

:facepalm:

Holy shit you can't possibly be this stupid. Erving is clearly going to be our swing tackle you ****ing moron.

He's not. That's your new starter at LG. Watch.

[DJ's left nut]

Erving for a 5th was a nice trade that, sadly, provides an upgrade to Jah Reid and Jordan Devey.

...

I think Erving will be fine as a backup.

Dane, this was one day ago buddy...

I'd give up nothing more than a 2021 7th rounder but I think he'll clear waivers, so if the Chiefs want him, they can sign him then.

I'd be surprised if they wanted him.

Yesterday. YESTERDAY you'd give up no more than a 7th for him. Today a 5th is 'a great value'. C'mon man, you're sucking dick for the sake of sucking it here. This is fine - there's no reason to castigate Veach and in fact some credit is due for recognizing a need and attempting to upgrade it. But folks are going HAM for no real reason right now.

[staylor26]

He's not. That's your new starter at LG. Watch.

Want to make another stupid bet?

Loser has to go away for the rest of the season?

[gblowfish]

I hope this guy can play. Browns owe us some payback for Dwayne Bowe...

[JakeF]

Where's our 4th? The Ragalnd trade was for a 2019 4th, so unless I'm missing something we should have one.
You're right, I have the Ragland trade listed for next year instead of 2019.

That helps.

2nd
3rd
4th
6th
6th (comp)

If we can trade Alex Smith at some point that will be a huge boost for next year's draft. I hope Mahomes proves he's ready in time for a Smith trade.

[Chiefshrink]

BV is one intense, passionate and competitive guy based on his words and body language from his limited time in video interviews that I have seen. That is the first thing I look for are the type of words he uses, demeanor/tone in how he say's them and his body language. And you are seeing his intense, passionate competitiveness on display these past few days as we speak.:thumb:

[The Franchise]

https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/902956763061858314

DJ just came.

[BigRedChief]

Our draft in 2018 as of right now?

2nd
3rd
6th
6th (comp)your missing the 4th rounder. And right now, I'm happy with all those trades. The 1st rounder is the only one that really matters anyway and what the hell are those for if not to draft a QBOTF?

[DaneMcCloud]

Yesterday. YESTERDAY you'd give up no more than a 7th for him. Today a 5th is 'a great value'. C'mon man, you're sucking dick for the sake of sucking it here. This is fine - there's no reason to castigate Veach and in fact some credit is due for recognizing a need and attempting to upgrade it. But folks are going HAM for no real reason right now.

LMAO

You got me. Of course, it was massive hyperbole but I said it, nonetheless.

The reality is that I doubt they could have drafted an offensive lineman in the 5th round of the 2018 draft that has as much upside as Erving.

[RunKC]

Kevin Hogan
Tyreek Hill
DJ Alexander
James O'Shags
Aaron Murray
Sanders Commings

1 great starter and 1 good ST drafted with our 5th round picks in this regime.

I am all for this with the roster being as set as it is. Get rid of Jah Reid and save money with this kid as a reserve. Fulton, Witzmann and Erving make me feel very comfortable at backup.

Zach Fulton is most likely gone after this season, so Erving being here for a year to learn our scheme and bulk up as a cheap 2018 backup G/C is great. We can draft another guy next spring to develop for 2019.

[The Franchise]

Chiefs acquire OT/C Cameron Erving from Browns for 5th-round pick

The Chiefs weren't one of the teams I highlighted that could trade for Cameron Erving, as they didn't have a need at center or right tackle. However, Erving was acquired to serve as a versatile backup. He can play four of the five positions up front. He can't play those positions well, but he can at least be penciled into the lineup at four spots.

Erving has been a complete failure thus far as a former first-round pick, routinely whiffing on blocks and getting called for penalties. However, he does have talent, so motivation has been an issue. Perhaps being with a winning organization will help him make something out of his career. We've seen it with Greg Robinson, who has improved in Detroit after floundering with the Rams. For a fifth-round pick, why not take a chance on him?

As for the Browns, it's nice that they got at least something for Erving. I get the sense that they were going to dump Erving during final cuts, so it's great that they received a fifth-round pick for him.

Grade for Chiefs - B+
Grade for Browns - A-
Read more at http://www.walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php#1odZsVpVd8zu80cY.99

[O.city]

Who's upset? The question is if Fisher goes down are we still ****ed? The answer is yes.

If insert team loses their LT they'll be in trouble.

[kcchiefsus]

If the Chiefs are smart.....they take Erving and decide on one fucking position for him. Build him up as a swing tackle. The Browns kind of fucked themselves by moving him around a bunch.

That's my thought. Eric Fisher isn't a top 5 OT but he isn't horrible. If Fisher had been moved around every position on the line he would have probably been pretty shitty as well. Let the guy focus on tackle. He certainly wouldn't be the first player to struggle early on but turn it around.

[Hammock Parties]

FYI you don't want Erving playing tackle. He was a complete dumpster fire this preseason.

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He's played guard before and he's vastly more talented than anyone we have at LG currently. He's gonna start. Watch.

[notorious]

They get an A- for trading a 1st round pick for scraps.


LOL

[Hammock Parties]

Want to make another stupid bet?

Loser has to go away for the rest of the season?

Nah I'm not that confident. But this smells like a LG fix to me.

[O.city]

Cutting Reid saves you 3 million right?

[Hoover]

After dumping Dorsey, who would have ever thought the Chiefs could dramatically improve their roster with just 8 days before the season. These are termendous moves that provide depth and protection in areas this year but huge opportunity next season.

Motherfucker, I'm crushing hard for Brett Veach.

Didn't see that coming. Damn!

[O.city]

I wouldn't wet yourself just yet. These guys need to actually develop a little

[Hoover]

Cutting Reid saves you 3 million right?

Yeah both Irving and Ragland are on cheap ass rookie deals, so we can actually find cap room. Shit we are addressing the cap and getting better at the same time.

Fuck!

[JakeF]

Cutting Reid saves you 3 million right?
2.7 i think

[The Franchise]

Cutting Reid saves you 3 million right?

$2M in cap savings. $1.5M in dead money.

[Hoover]

I wouldn't wet yourself just yet. These guys need to actually develop a little
The perfect amount of risk/reward if you ask me. 4/5 round picks are whatever.

[Chiefshrink]

Dane, this was one day ago buddy...

Yesterday. YESTERDAY you'd give up no more than a 7th for him. Today a 5th is 'a great value'. C'mon man, you're sucking dick for the sake of sucking it here.

Barney Fife (wannabe posers) have this problem for sure.

[DaneMcCloud]

Nah I'm not that confident. But this smells like a LG fix to me.

It's just more talented depth that what was on the roster before.

The Chiefs value versatility more than most teams and Erving has played multiple positions, as has Ehinger, Fulton, Morse and Schwartz.

[JakeF]

After dumping Dorsey, who would have ever thought the Chiefs could dramatically improve their roster with just 8 days before the season. These are termendous moves that provide depth and protection in areas this year but huge opportunity next season.

Motherfucker, I'm crushing hard for Brett Veach.

Didn't see that coming. Damn!
Let's wait and see if these guys can play first.

[Chiefshrink]

Cutting Reid saves you 3 million right?

BV has already crunched the numbers. Trust in the VEACH !!

[DaWolf]

People getting hung up on draft picks. Meanwhile we have the 6th youngest roster in the NFL (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-hold-nfls-6th-youngest-roster-by-average-age/) and are only going to get younger once Tamba and Alex are out next year. Plus these guys have multiple years of control on cheap rookie contracts. Key is going to be whether they fit our scheme and coaching. Good news is we get to see whether Veach can actually evaluate players or not ASAP...

[Hoover]

Let's wait and see if these guys can play first.

These guys are like Mahommes dude. Best if they don't have to start this year. 10x the talent of any backup we have at the position.

[DJ's left nut]

Cutting Reid saves you 3 million right?

$2 million. $3.5 figure, $1.5 in dead cap. Truly a stupid signing.

With Erving's money added in, you'll end up saving a tick shy of $1 million but you'll also actually clear Reid outright (as opposed to having to eat the remaining $750k next season) so ultimately it's a win.

Erving really does look like a baby giraffe trying to play tackle sometimes, though. He's feet are just so damn bad - no kick step at all, no instincts and his balance is shit.

I still can't believe the Browns (and Direkshun) thought that guy was a 1st rounder.

[DaneMcCloud]

$2M in cap savings. $1.5M in dead money.

It's Post June 1 so it's $775k in Dead Money and $2,787,500 in Cap Savings

[JakeF]

These guys are like Mahommes dude. Best if they don't have to start this year. 10x the talent of any backup we have at the position.I think Ragland is going to play this year. You're right though, we are building long term.

[DaneMcCloud]

$2 million. $3.5 figure, $1.5 in dead cap. Truly a stupid signing.

No worse than $5 million in Dead Money for Jaye Howard or $2.4 million for Jeremy Maclin.

Even dumber is $750k for Mauga, $609k for KeiVarae Russle and $250k for Ramik Wilson.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Barber also sucks and he's 33 years old with no upside. Huge difference you ****ing idiot.

Barbre is actually a solid starter. Erving on the other hand...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF">@PFF</a>, Cam Erving was <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> worst off. player vs. NYJ. Also worst center in NFL (39.5). Equally bad in pass pro (45.4) &amp; run (45.6).</p>&mdash; Dawgs By Nature (@DawgsByNature) <a href="https://twitter.com/DawgsByNature/status/793084582933454848">October 31, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cam Erving shouldn&#39;t be in an NFL uniform right now. At this point, FG is too much to ask for. It&#39;s just mental right now... It&#39;s too much.</p>&mdash; LeCharles Bentley (@OLineWorld65) <a href="https://twitter.com/OLineWorld65/status/676113228984782848">December 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[WhiteWhale]

Meh.

Folks around here thought the Colts swindled the Browns for Richardson.

[RunKC]

Ian Rapoport
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Chiefs have found talent thru the scrap heap. They were the lone team to claim LG Bryan Witzmann last year. Now starter. Same with Erving?
1:00 PM · Aug 30, 2017

Trust the coaching staff people. Witzmann has been a surprisingly solid G this preseason.

[notorious]

Why is there Bronco discussion in here again?

[DaneMcCloud]

Why is there Bronco discussion in here again?

Because Chiefs

[KranzDictum]

These guys are like Mahommes dude. Best if they don't have to start this year. 10x the talent of any backup we have at the position.

Maybe in Raglands case since he missed his rookie year on IR with his knee but Erving is in what his 3rd year? His rookie deal will be over before he is ready to play at a starting level.

[DaneMcCloud]

Maybe in Raglands case since he missed his rookie year on IR with his knee but Erving is in what his 3rd year? His rookie deal will be over before he is ready to play at a starting level.

There's a 5th year option on Erving, dummy

[Hammock Parties]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF">@PFF</a>, Cam Erving was <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> worst off. player vs. NYJ. Also worst center in NFL (39.5). Equally bad in pass pro (45.4) &amp; run (45.6).</p>&mdash; Dawgs By Nature (@DawgsByNature) <a href="https://twitter.com/DawgsByNature/status/793084582933454848">October 31, 2016</a></blockquote>
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ROFL

Get kicked inside to guard and save your career, buddy.

[DaWolf]

Ian Rapoport
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Chiefs have found talent thru the scrap heap. They were the lone team to claim LG Bryan Witzmann last year. Now starter. Same with Erving?
1:00 PM · Aug 30, 2017

Trust the coaching staff people. Witzmann has been a surprisingly solid G this preseason.

Also, and I could be wrong here, but my understanding is that Cleveland moved to a more power blocking scheme in recent years, while we are more of a west coast zone blocking team. So different skillsets. It's part of why they let Schwartz walk last year. But Schwartz fits us. We'll see how Erving develops in this system...

[staylor26]

Barbre is actually a solid starter. Erving on the other hand...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF">@PFF</a>, Cam Erving was <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> worst off. player vs. NYJ. Also worst center in NFL (39.5). Equally bad in pass pro (45.4) &amp; run (45.6).</p>&mdash; Dawgs By Nature (@DawgsByNature) <a href="https://twitter.com/DawgsByNature/status/793084582933454848">October 31, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cam Erving shouldn&#39;t be in an NFL uniform right now. At this point, FG is too much to ask for. It&#39;s just mental right now... It&#39;s too much.</p>&mdash; LeCharles Bentley (@OLineWorld65) <a href="https://twitter.com/OLineWorld65/status/676113228984782848">December 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Solid starting offensive linemen don't get cut (or traded for 7th rounders), which is what would've happened to him if you didn't trade for him.

You're truly a ****ing clueless homer.

[RunKC]

Why is there Bronco discussion in here again?

Because they know KC is better. Knowmo is trying to pimp a 33 year old G who will likely start for them by saying he's better than the backup G we just acquired. LMAO

[Red Dawg]

I don't see how it hurts to to check him out. We have shit for OL depth as it and a better staff to coach him.

[Danguardace]

Chiefs 5th round history (http://m.chiefs.com/news/article-2/A-Historical-Look-at-the-Chiefs’-Fifth-Round-Draft-Picks/24852077-b625-422f-9dbb-eb014231c66d)

[Titty Meat]

If insert team loses their LT they'll be in trouble.

That's a cop out.

[DaneMcCloud]

That's a cop out.

It's the truth

[Mav]

ROFL



Get kicked inside to guard and save your career, buddy.



He can't play anywhere. He's absolutely awful. He was playing left guard when he let the defender cross his face to give Kessler a concussion. They've tried him everywhere.


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[staylor26]

That's a cop out.

Lol wut?

[JakeF]

I don't see how it hurts to to check him out. We have shit for OL depth as it and a better staff to coach him.
We are doing more than checking him out. A 6th or 7th round pick would be checking him out. A 5th round pick means we expect him to contribute at some point, could be next year though.

[Discuss Thrower]

Chiefs 5th round history (http://m.chiefs.com/news/article-2/A-Historical-Look-at-the-Chiefs’-Fifth-Round-Draft-Picks/24852077-b625-422f-9dbb-eb014231c66d)

Yoikes.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dude would start at every OL position in Pile High.

[Titty Meat]

It's the truth

Patriots, Steelers, Packers all still make the playoffs because their QB's are that good. You can't have Cam Erving and expect Smith to be effective.

[DaneMcCloud]

We are doing more than checking him out. A 6th or 7th round pick would be checking him out. A 5th round pick means we expect him to contribute at some point, could be next year though.

Since 1996, the Chiefs have hit on four players, two of which did nothing in a KC uniform.

2016: Tyreek Hill
2008: Brandon Carr
2002: Scott Fujita
1996: Joe Horn

Stop obsessing over a 5th round pick.

[Danguardace]

It's Post June 1 so it's $775k in Dead Money and $2,787,500 in Cap Savings

Post June means that money cant be spent till next year right?

[DaneMcCloud]

Patriots, Steelers, Packers all still make the playoffs because their QB's are that good. You can't have Cam Erving and expect Smith to be effective.

I don't think it's even remotely feasible that Cam Erving is second in line at LT.

[Titty Meat]

I don't think it's even remotely feasible that Cam Erving is second in line at LT.

It won't be Battle or Hawkins. I don't think it will be Morse either. Like I said Fulton was rumored to possibly be the backup. Good luck with that.

[The Franchise]

If anything happens to Fisher.....then Schwartz would be moving to LT.

[JakeF]

Since 1996, the Chiefs have hit on four players, two of which did nothing in a KC uniform.

2016: Tyreek Hill
2008: Brandon Carr
2002: Scott Fujita
1996: Joe Horn

Stop obsessing over a 5th round pick.
I'm not obsessing over anything. Trading a 5th round pick brings some expectations with it. If it was just a trade to give us first dibs instead of letting Erving get cut then it would have been a 6th or 7th. The Chiefs may just think that giving Erving a new environment will let him reboot and play up to his potential next year. We'll just have to wait and see.

[DaneMcCloud]

If anything happens to Fisher.....then Schwartz would be moving to LT.

Exactly. He played LT at Cal.

[JakeF]

If anything happens to Fisher.....then Schwartz would be moving to LT.Maybe Schwartz to LT and Ehringer to RT

[DaneMcCloud]

It won't be Battle or Hawkins. I don't think it will be Morse either. Like I said Fulton was rumored to possibly be the backup. Good luck with that.

He wasn't "rumored", he spent one day of practice on the 2nd team at both the LT and RT spots

One day.

[DaneMcCloud]

Maybe Schwartz to LT and Ehringer to RT

More likely it would be LDT to RT with Fulton at RG.

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Veach right now... <a href="https://t.co/iX2I2yWZ7X">pic.twitter.com/iX2I2yWZ7X</a></p>&mdash; Brian Rowe (@Roweseph) <a href="https://twitter.com/Roweseph/status/902952714824544256">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[JakeF]

More likely it would be LDT to RT with Fulton at RG.I thought the Chiefs had Ehringer work at RT on and off this preseason just in case. They don't really plan on using Fulton out in space at RT, do they? His slow lateral movement will force us to keep a tightend next to him on virtually every snap.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Chiefs coaching>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cleveland coaching



He will be something here.

There may be a whole lot of truth to this

[Chiefshrink]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Veach right now... <a href="https://t.co/iX2I2yWZ7X">pic.twitter.com/iX2I2yWZ7X</a></p>&mdash; Brian Rowe (@Roweseph) <a href="https://twitter.com/Roweseph/status/902952714824544256">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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ROFLROFL

[HemiEd]

Jah reid, can you please go to ray farmer's office and bring your playbook?

:clap: Exactly

[O.city]

That's a cop out.

Saying if a team loses their first string tackle they'll be in trouble is a cop out?

It's one of the 3 or 4 most important positions to have. If you lose your starter for extended periods of time, you're gonna be in trouble.

[Quesadilla Joe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Al Davis type move by Chiefs taking former high picks and seeing can restart their career--he believed in the pedigree of the player</p>&mdash; Michael Lombardi (@mlombardiNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/902973244440887296">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Quesadilla Joe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think a 5th rounder is a little high though. I&#39;d have not gone above a 7th. Like my chances of picking a better player in the 5th.</p>&mdash; Brandon Thorn (@VeteranScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/VeteranScout/status/902965320721117184">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Prison Bitch]

Will they announce him pregame as

The DOC-tor! Cam-er-on, ERRRRRrving!

[Quesadilla Joe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some might say Ewing is a 3 position player OL, not really. He is only a guard..not a center or tackle.</p>&mdash; Michael Lombardi (@mlombardiNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/902975385003933696">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Direckshun]

I ... don't know how I feel about him.

Obviously I'm a big fan of Cam Erving the NFL draft prospect.

Cam Erving the Brown has just been terrible for two straight years at everything. Browns fans will tell you that all day long, and there is no good footage of him in a Browns jersey. Anywhere. It almost makes you wonder what the Chiefs saw in him.

Also, our 2018 draft is getting depleted in a hurry. The Chiefs are in a very tight cap spot in 2018 -- unless they've already got plans to dump Alex Smith, Tamba Hali, and Derrick Johnson. They are going to have roster spots they'll need to fill in 2018, too -- both of our NTs (Logan & Miller) will be free agents, if they trade Smith we'll only have ONE QB on the entire roster, Spiller and Escobar will be gone and Zach Fulton's departure will rob of us of quality OL depth across the board. DJ has probably already been replaced with Wilson/Ragland, but Hali will leave a huge hole at OLB, and we still need WR talent.

So now we're down three picks (1st/5th/7th) in a year where we're going to need a lot of cheap talent to staff this roster. And again, Cam Erving has just been horrid.

Maybe this team has the magic touch and can figure Erving out. As of now, I'm not a huge fan of the player or the price we paid.

[jjchieffan]

Shut up KnowShit. He's no worse than Ty Sambrillo, Donald Stephenson, or Russell Okung. Yeah, we gave up a 5th round pick. So what. A swing and a miss is still a swing and a miss. And ElFraud has done plenty of that. Hell, he is probably better than Garrett Lenny Bolles

[Eleazar]

Looks like a very nice gamble for the price. I'm glad the team has decided to address the in-offensive line.

[Hammock Parties]

So now we're down three picks (1st/5th/7th) in a year where we're going to need a lot of cheap talent to staff this roster.

Time to take some lumps with a young QB.

It is what it is.

This team is looking towards the future.

[ModSocks]

This team is looking towards the future.

By trading future draft picks for present players....

[ModSocks]

Shut up KnowShit. He's no worse than Ty Sambrillo, Donald Stephenson, or Russell Okung.

uh...from most accounts he's considerably worse than those guys.

[Eleazar]

By trading future draft picks for present players....

Erving is a developmental prospect, not a win-now type of acquisition.

[Titty Meat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some might say Ewing is a 3 position player OL, not really. He is only a guard..not a center or tackle.</p>&mdash; Michael Lombardi (@mlombardiNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/902975385003933696">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Who's Ewing?

[JakeF]

Time to take some lumps with a young QB.

It is what it is.

This team is looking towards the future.
Fix the Oline first then you put the young QB in there. The Chiefs are gearing up for next year.

[O.city]

I ... don't know how I feel about him.

Obviously I'm a big fan of Cam Erving the NFL draft prospect.

Cam Erving the Brown has just been terrible for two straight years at everything. Browns fans will tell you that all day long, and there is no good footage of him in a Browns jersey. Anywhere. It almost makes you wonder what the Chiefs saw in him.

Also, our 2018 draft is getting depleted in a hurry. The Chiefs are in a very tight cap spot in 2018 -- unless they've already got plans to dump Alex Smith, Tamba Hali, and Derrick Johnson. They are going to have roster spots they'll need to fill in 2018, too -- both of our NTs (Logan & Miller) will be free agents, if they trade Smith we'll only have ONE QB on the entire roster, Spiller and Escobar will be gone and Zach Fulton's departure will rob of us of quality OL depth across the board. DJ has probably already been replaced with Wilson/Ragland, but Hali will leave a huge hole at OLB, and we still need WR talent.

So now we're down three picks (1st/5th/7th) in a year where we're going to need a lot of cheap talent to staff this roster. And again, Cam Erving has just been horrid.

Maybe this team has the magic touch and can figure Erving out. As of now, I'm not a huge fan of the player or the price we paid.

Tamba, DJ and Alex won't be here next year.

I'm not really sure why anyone thought that was ever likely to be honest.

[KChiefs1]

Current Chief vs a former Chief.

https://youtu.be/kVt_uZGi_aA

[KChiefs1]

https://youtu.be/ICAMKIWOQbA

[DaneMcCloud]

Also, our 2018 draft is getting depleted in a hurry.

You're assigning WAY too much value to 5th and 7th round draft picks.

As previously noted, the Chiefs hit on four 5th round picks since 2006 - that's 21 seasons - and only two made an impact with the Chiefs in Brandon Carr and Tyreek Hill.

A 7th? Pfft. Those are generally used for kickers and punters. The Chiefs have a kicker and they'll likely sign a UDFA punter next year.

[KChiefs1]

https://youtu.be/oL4qZz--7go

[JakeF]

three picks (1st/5th/7th) in a year where we're going to need a lot of cheap talent to staff this roster. And again, Cam Erving has just been horrid.

Maybe this team has the magic touch and can figure Erving out. As of now, I'm not a huge fan of the player or the price we paid.
Just wait until we trade Alex Smith for a 1st and 3rd. Instant cap space and instant draft! :)

Smith - $17,000,000
Hali - $7,000,000
DJ - $8,000,000
Jah Reid - $3,200,000

$35,200,000

[KChiefs1]

https://youtu.be/23mBSJ5X37s

[Pasta Little Brioni]

5ths and 7this are worthless. Also, I like this move now that Knowmo is obviously worried about it posting in here and Voyager doesn't like it.

[BryanBusby]

He's one of the worst Offensive Linemen I have ever seen.

Why give them a 5th rounder when the Browns would of literally gave him away for free? He sucks fucking shit.

[penbrook]

We only keep 8 OL. So will it be Fisher, Witzman, Morse, LDT, Schwartz, Erving, Ehringer, and Fulton. Reid can get cut

[KranzDictum]

There's a 5th year option on Erving, dummy

This year then next right? Like I said he may not be ready by the time his deal ends.

[penbrook]

He's one of the worst Offensive Linemen I have ever seen.

Why give them a 5th rounder when the Browns would of literally gave him away for free? He sucks ****ing shit.

Erving probably wouldn't of made it through the waiver wire

[Mav]

Erving probably wouldn't of made it through the waiver wire



Yes he would have.


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[DaneMcCloud]

Yes he would have.

No, he would not have made it through waivers.

There's a serious dearth of offensive lineman in the NFL and nearly every team is feeling the crunch, which was exacerbated by a poor draft.

[Jamie]

Remember how funny it was when Bucs fans were excited about getting Ryan Sims for a 6th? Jah Reid has been hot garbage so far this year, but we have seen him display a level of competence in the past that Cam Erving hasn't.

That said, based on potential, I don't hate it. I just don't think he's a solution to anything right away.

[DaneMcCloud]

In a perfect world, Erving doesn't see the field in 2017

[thegame214]

In a perfect world, Erving doesn't see the field in 2017

Send him in to block for Alex, Mahomes takes over in New England. I see right through Veach ;)

[RealSNR]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think a 5th rounder is a little high though. I&#39;d have not gone above a 7th. Like my chances of picking a better player in the 5th.</p>&mdash; Brandon Thorn (@VeteranScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/VeteranScout/status/902965320721117184">August 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I'd rather trade for Erving on a cheap ass contract for a 5th than sign Donald Stephenson for $5 million per fucking year.

[OldSchool]

Erving sucks ass from what I saw of him during his rookie season. He had too many plays that looked like this:

https://usatsteelerswire.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/cam-heyward-cam-erving.gif?w=1000

Didn't pay attention to him beyond that so idk how much he has improved since then, if at all.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'd rather trade for Erving on a cheap ass contract for a 5th than sign Donald Stephenson for $5 million per fucking year.

Or draft 25 year old Garrett Bolles with the #20 overall pick

[loochy]

Will they announce him pregame as

The DOC-tor! Cam-er-on, ERRRRRrving!

No, that's Tardif
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[Quesadilla Joe]

I'd rather trade for Erving on a cheap ass contract for a 5th than sign Donald Stephenson for $5 million per ****ing year.

I guess it depends on each teams respective cap situation. Both players are terrible, but if I had the cap space I'd much rather keep my 5th rounder and sign Stephenson.

(Stephenson is only making $2.5M by the way)

[RunKC]

Erving sucks ass from what I saw of him during his rookie season. He had too many plays that looked like this:

https://usatsteelerswire.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/cam-heyward-cam-erving.gif?w=1000

Didn't pay attention to him beyond that so idk how much he has improved since then.

He was one of the best OL FSU had produced in a few years. He has the measurables and size and he is apparently a smart young man.

I'll say it again: trust the coaching staff.

Ron Parker, Jaye Howard, LDT, Fulton has been a decent backup, Spencer Ware etc. FFS Dee Ford ran the wrong fucking way as a rookie and just had a double-digit sack season.

The Chiefs have a top tier coaching staff.

[jjchieffan]

Erving probably wouldn't of made it through the waiver wire

I agree. Young, and on a cheap rookie contract. Someone would have put a claim in on him. The league is hurting for offensive line talent and this guy was taken in the first round 2 years ago. No way he clears waivers.

[Iowanian]

HI Cam,

Welcome to the factory of Gladness.

[Rain Man]

Erving sucks ass from what I saw of him during his rookie season. He had too many plays that looked like this:

https://usatsteelerswire.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/cam-heyward-cam-erving.gif?w=1000

Didn't pay attention to him beyond that so idk how much he has improved since then, if at all.

That's more like a Wile E. Coyote cartoon than a football play.

[RealSNR]

What the fuck is wrong with some of you buttfucking morons?

His name is E-H-I-N-G-E-R. Pronounced "anger." As in, "I have a lot of anger because there are too many fucking stupid people." Ehinger. Parker Ehinger is his goddamn name. His name is not "Ehringer."

Don't give me that "it's just a typo!" excuse, either. The "r" key isn't even located next to the "h" or the "i." And don't say you're just being lazy. You dipshits honestly just don't know his goddamn name. Your problem isn't that you had a brainfart. The real problem is you never had a fucking brain to begin with.

[RunKC]

I guess it depends on each teams respective cap situation. Both players are terrible, but if I had the cap space I'd much rather keep my 5th rounder and sign Stephenson.

(Stephenson is only making $2.5M by the way)

You paid him $4 million to be a backup last year LMAO

Aside from Malik Jackson, the Broncos haven't had a good 5th rd pick this century.

[ptlyon]

What the **** is wrong with some of you butt****ing morons?

His name is E-H-I-N-G-E-R. Pronounced "anger." As in, "I have a lot of anger because there are too many ****ing stupid people." Ehinger. Parker Ehinger is his goddamn name. His name is not "Ehringer."

Don't give me that "it's just a typo!" excuse, either. The "r" key isn't even located next to the "h" or the "i." And don't say you're just being lazy. You dipshits honestly just don't know his goddamn name. Your problem isn't that you had a brainfart. The real problem is you never had a ****ing brain to begin with.

Alrighty then.

[Frosty]

Erving sucks ass from what I saw of him during his rookie season. He had too many plays that looked like this:

https://usatsteelerswire.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/cam-heyward-cam-erving.gif?w=1000

Didn't pay attention to him beyond that so idk how much he has improved since then, if at all.

Is this the only play he was in on? So far, this is the third time it's been posted.

[RealSNR]

I guess it depends on each teams respective cap situation. Both players are terrible, but if I had the cap space I'd much rather keep my 5th rounder and sign Stephenson.

(Stephenson is only making $2.5M by the way)

That cash is the often the difference between re-signing a guy you'd like to keep around and letting him walk. I'll take the money, because that's what any real GM would do, including Elway.

He just got caught trying to be cute with the OL position, and he's been reaping the consequences ever since.

[JakeF]

What the fuck is wrong with some of you buttfucking morons?

His name is E-H-I-N-G-E-R. Pronounced "anger." As in, "I have a lot of anger because there are too many fucking stupid people." Ehinger. Parker Ehinger is his goddamn name. His name is not "Ehringer."

Don't give me that "it's just a typo!" excuse, either. The "r" key isn't even located next to the "h" or the "i." And don't say you're just being lazy. You dipshits honestly just don't know his goddamn name. Your problem isn't that you had a brainfart. The real problem is you never had a fucking brain to begin with.You are really getting into the 'buttfucking' thing.

I shall now spell it wrong in every post just to see if you have an embolism. :D

[OldSchool]

Is this the only play he was in on? So far, this is the third time it's been posted.

Nah, likely the only readily available gif. I remember seeing him being abused far more than just that once. The dude made rookie Eric Fisher look like a pro-bowler.

[RealSNR]

You paid him $4 million to be a backup last year LMAO

Aside from Malik Jackson, the Broncos haven't had a good 5th rd pick this century.

And it's looking more and more likely that Tyreek Hill is going to turn into a WR who is more valuable to a team that Malik Jackson was for the Broncos.

[stumppy]

What the fuck is wrong with some of you buttfucking morons?

His name is E-H-I-N-G-E-R. Pronounced "anger." As in, "I have a lot of anger because there are too many fucking stupid people." Ehinger. Parker Ehinger is his goddamn name. His name is not "Ehringer."

Don't give me that "it's just a typo!" excuse, either. The "r" key isn't even located next to the "h" or the "i." And don't say you're just being lazy. You dipshits honestly just don't know his goddamn name. Your problem isn't that you had a brainfart. The real problem is you never had a fucking brain to begin with.


Let's all thank ealSNR for this spelling lesson.:D

[staylor26]

That cash is the often the difference between re-signing a guy you'd like to keep around and letting him walk. I'll take the money, because that's what any real GM would do, including Elway.

He just got caught trying to be cute with the OL position, and he's been reaping the consequences ever since.

He still hasn't learned his lesson.

Menalik Watson LMAO , and the worst starter on the Cowboys OL in Leary.

Watson for sure sucks and I'm pretty confident that Leary will looks significantly worse surrounded by Denvers OL.

[mdchiefsfan]

Like the trade, or not, Veach has a vision and is aggressively pursuing it; time will tell if it is a good one.

[Oxford]

Looks he needs the "Rocky, chase the chicken drill"...:)

[staylor26]

Like the trade, or not, Veach has a vision and is aggressively pursuing it; time will tell if it is a good one.

These moves will not make or break Veach.

[rico]

Wow, I remember feeling nervous that we were gonna select this guy instead of Peters or someone else in the 2015 draft. I think he was selected right after we selected Peters.

Glad to have him now...and for only a 5th round pick...

[KChiefs1]

He's one of the worst Offensive Linemen I have ever seen.

Why give them a 5th rounder when the Browns would of literally gave him away for free? He sucks fucking shit.


Jah Reid says hi.

[BlackHelicopters]

Print 'em.

[DaneMcCloud]

Wow, I remember feeling nervous that we were gonna select this guy instead of Peters or someone else in the 2015 draft. I think he was selected right after we selected Peters.

Glad to have him now...and for only a 5th round pick...

What's interesting is that just two years later, the Chiefs have both Peters and Erving and just a year later, they have Chris Jones and Reggie Ragland.

It's pretty crazy.

[DaneMcCloud]

These moves will not make or break Veach.

Exactly.

Veach is a SPARQ guy that clearly likes high ceiling athletes.

The talent on this team is rising quickly.

[Mav]

You guys are in for such a treat.


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[Lzen]

5ths and 7this are worthless. Also, I like this move now that Knowmo is obviously worried about it posting in here and Voyager doesn't like it.

Ok, I'm lost. What handle does Knowmo go by these days? And Voyager? I didn't realize he was still around. What's his handle?

[staylor26]

Exactly.

Veach is a SPARQ guy that clearly likes high ceiling athletes.

The talent on this team is rising quickly.

These are the kind of moves Hoody and the Pats make that everybody blows them over.

Sure, they might be Barkevious Mingo or Jonathan Cooper, but it's very low risk. I like the fact that we're giving our coaching staff an oppurtunity to rehabilitate these guys, and in the mean time it gives us some cheap depth.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Will they announce him pregame as

The DOC-tor! Cam-er-on, ERRRRRrving!Awesome. Have to also include "whirling dervish."

[DaneMcCloud]

You guys are in for such a treat.

Cleveland has an excellent track record of drafting and developing players

[Titty Meat]

Cleveland has an excellent track record of drafting and developing players

They've had a lot of excellent offensive linemen.

[staylor26]

Cleveland has an excellent track record of drafting and developing players

I saw somebody point out that they've done a good job developing OL (Thomas, Schwartz, Mack), but that was before Hue got there. Unless they retained their OL coach, that might not mean much at all in this case.

Edit: Didn't see billay's post before I posted this lol

[DJ's left nut]

Tamba, DJ and Alex won't be here next year.

I'm not really sure why anyone thought that was ever likely to be honest.

Or why a 5th round pick was going to be what replaced them.

The Chiefs are down on draft capital, yes. But that ship sailed when they traded their 1st. They still have 2, 3, 4 and 6. The 7th means precisely fuck all.

The odds of that 5th rounder being the guy that replaces Hali/DJ or the backup QB are pretty damn remote.

I just can't bring myself to care about the loss of a 5th. Meanwhile, if this trade allows us to move on from Reid or not extend Fulton, it creates cap savings that would allow us to find creative methods to deal with other openings on the roster.

If you can turn a 5th into an asset of any sort, you do it. Now the question remains whether or not he's an actual asset (which is why I said yesterday I'd probably only give a 6th for him) but a 5th vs. a 6th isn't that much to worry about. If he can play in any meaningful capacity, this will be a much better use of the 5th in '18 than the pick itself would've yielded.

[O.city]

These are the kind of moves Hoody and the Pats make that everybody blows them over.

Sure, they might be Barkevious Mingo or Jonathan Cooper, but it's very low risk. I like the fact that we're giving our coaching staff an oppurtunity to rehabilitate these guys, and in the mean time it gives us some cheap depth.

Hey, cooper is gonna pan out. He's playing in Dallas now right?

[O.city]

Or why a 5th round pick was going to be what replaced them.

The Chiefs are down on draft capital, yes. But that ship sailed when they traded their 1st. They still have 2, 3, 4 and 6. The 7th means precisely **** all.

The odds of that 5th rounder being the guy that replaces Hali/DJ or the backup QB are pretty damn remote.

I just can't bring myself to care about the loss of a 5th. Meanwhile, if this trade allows us to move on from Reid or not extend Fulton, it creates cap savings that would allow us to find creative methods to deal with other openings on the roster.

If you can turn a 5th into an asset of any sort, you do it. Now the question remains whether or not he's an actual asset (which is why I said yesterday I'd probably only give a 6th for him) but a 5th vs. a 6th isn't that much to worry about. If he can play in any meaningful capacity, this will be a much better use of the 5th in '18 than the pick itself would've yielded.

Some of the draft pundits on twitter are all up in arms over it. Hell, even the over the cap guy is all doom and gloom in 2018 for the chiefs due to high contracts and such.

I don't see any way, barring something crazy like a super bowl win, that Alex and tamba are here next year.

[DJ's left nut]

Cleveland has an excellent track record of drafting and developing players

That's a glib response.

The Browns have very good OL coaching. They've failed in many ways but drafting/developing OL talent is not one of them.

This isn't the 'catch all' response it oft is when dealing with former Browns. If the Browns weren't able to make him merely serviceable as opposed to abjectly terrible, there's a very good chance that he just flat sucks.

We shall see.

[jettio]

Erving sucks ass from what I saw of him during his rookie season. He had too many plays that looked like this:

https://usatsteelerswire.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/cam-heyward-cam-erving.gif?w=1000

Didn't pay attention to him beyond that so idk how much he has improved since then, if at all.

Another example of a Brown RB failing to hit the hole and run downhill.

I think the Erving reverse-pancake was setting up the defender for a play later in the game. That play would have really gotten blown up if not for the Browns center's chip block.

Seems like the new Browns FO is trying to make the point that the previous regime drated a lot of Dawg-shit.

[DJ's left nut]

Some of the draft pundits on twitter are all up in arms over it. Hell, even the over the cap guy is all doom and gloom in 2018 for the chiefs due to high contracts and such.

I don't see any way, barring something crazy like a super bowl win, that Alex and tamba are here next year.

The writing was on the wall the moment the LDT contract was signed. It was obvious they were preparing for a world without Smith and Hali. I think the Ragland deal suggests that DJ is unlikely to return as well.

There's $42 million that can come off that cap in Smith, Hali, DJ and Reid. If Bailey has a strong, healthy year you'll extend him and reduce that $8 million figure for next season and if he doesn't have a strong, healthy year you'll move on from him.

This team's gonna be fine on the cap next season.

[DaneMcCloud]

That's a glib response.

Cleveland's done well in drafting offensive lineman, from Alex Mack to Joe Thomas to Mitch Schwartz and Joel Bitonio.

It's possible that Erving sucks but it's just as possible that he wasn't suited for Hue's offense.

Time will tell.

[RunKC]

Or why a 5th round pick was going to be what replaced them.

The Chiefs are down on draft capital, yes. But that ship sailed when they traded their 1st. They still have 2, 3, 4 and 6. The 7th means precisely **** all.

The odds of that 5th rounder being the guy that replaces Hali/DJ or the backup QB are pretty damn remote.

I just can't bring myself to care about the loss of a 5th. Meanwhile, if this trade allows us to move on from Reid or not extend Fulton, it creates cap savings that would allow us to find creative methods to deal with other openings on the roster.

If you can turn a 5th into an asset of any sort, you do it. Now the question remains whether or not he's an actual asset (which is why I said yesterday I'd probably only give a 6th for him) but a 5th vs. a 6th isn't that much to worry about. If he can play in any meaningful capacity, this will be a much better use of the 5th in '18 than the pick itself would've yielded.

It looks like both of these trades help the team for now and 2018 specifically.

Zach Fulton is in a contract year. He's likely gone next year, hopefully to a smart team that wants to pay him a decent contract to play C. In reality, Dorsey would have likely drafted that replacement in next years draft with a 4th or 5th anyway.

DJ could be done at any moment and we have plenty of good options to explore, including a would-be first rd pick.

This is going to save us money as well as great depth from small risk moves.

[Discuss Thrower]

The writing was on the wall the moment the LDT contract was signed. It was obvious they were preparing for a world without Smith and Hali. I think the Ragland deal suggests that DJ is unlikely to return as well.

There's $42 million that can come off that cap in Smith, Hali, DJ and Reid. If Bailey has a strong, healthy year you'll extend him and reduce that $8 million figure for next season and if he doesn't have a strong, healthy year you'll move on from him.

This team's gonna be fine on the cap next season.

If they do that specific permutation of events they're fine on the cap.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Browns trade Cameron Erving to Chiefs

The Browns weren’t able to trade cornerback Joe Haden, but they have been able to move another player that was on their trading block.

The Browns have traded offensive lineman Cameron Erving to the Chiefs in a deal announced by both teams on Wednesday afternoon. Kansas City will send a 2018 fifth-round pick to Cleveland.

The Browns now have 13 picks in the 2018 draft, including five in the first two rounds and multiple picks in every round other than the third and seventh.

Erving was a 2015 first-round pick by the Browns and spent most of last season as their starting center. He also saw time at guard and was getting time at tackle this summer, but was ticketed for a backup role before reports of their interest in trading him emerged this week.

Erving will likely be in a reserve role for the Chiefs as well and his experience at multiple positions could wind up changing their plans about which other offensive linemen were headed for the 53-man roster. Erving is signed through the 2018 season with salaries of just under $1.3 million and just over $1.7 million.

Erving is the second trade acquisition of the week for the Chiefs. They acquired linebacker Reggie Ragland for a 2019 fourth-round pick in an earlier deal.



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/30/browns-trade-cameron-erving-to-chiefs/

[DaneMcCloud]

If they do that specific permutation of events they're fine on the cap.

Well, there's absolutely no way that Hali and Reid are with the Chiefs in 2018 and Reid's unlikely to make the 53 this year.

[The Franchise]

The writing was on the wall the moment the LDT contract was signed. It was obvious they were preparing for a world without Smith and Hali. I think the Ragland deal suggests that DJ is unlikely to return as well.

There's $42 million that can come off that cap in Smith, Hali, DJ and Reid. If Bailey has a strong, healthy year you'll extend him and reduce that $8 million figure for next season and if he doesn't have a strong, healthy year you'll move on from him.

This team's gonna be fine on the cap next season.

I could see Parker being gone as well.