Mass shooting on Las Vegas Strip

[Buck]

Automatic Gunfire from Mandalay Bay onto an outdoor concert. A lot of injured/dead.

[Titty Meat]

Religion of peace

[penbrook]

Sounded like a 240 with a cyclic rate of 300 round burst. Fucking insane!

[Hoover]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Video courtesy of Drew Akioshi. He was attending the concert at mandalay bay when shooting started. <a href="https://t.co/mbyh9Y387q">pic.twitter.com/mbyh9Y387q</a></p>&mdash; David Sakach (@davidsakach) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidsakach/status/914730995147870208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[arrwheader]

Holy shit I was literally just there a few days ago

[oaklandhater]

Religion of peace

Would it kill you to wait until we find out who did this ?

[penbrook]

Fire fighter said he saw at least 15-20 people dead

[Eureka]

That video is intense. Singer wasn't sure what was going on. We as a society don't expect that stuff to happen here.

Lots of people hurt.

[Imon Yourside]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Video courtesy of Drew Akioshi. He was attending the concert at mandalay bay when shooting started. <a href="https://t.co/mbyh9Y387q">pic.twitter.com/mbyh9Y387q</a></p>&mdash; David Sakach (@davidsakach) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidsakach/status/914730995147870208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Absolutely insane man, holy shit.

[penbrook]

Over 20 plus dead. 100 injured

[oaklandhater]

Fire fighter said he saw at least 15-20 people dead

Seems like he was right with he new numbers :(



Also reporting some off duty officers may have died at the concert R.I.P

[penbrook]

Seems like he was right with he new numbers :(



Also reporting some off duty officers may have died at the concert R.I.P

This is crazy. They say he’s a lone wolf shooter. No idea what his beliefs are.

[Hoover]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BreakingNews?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BreakingNews</a> Las Vegas Police: shooter is dead, had been firing from 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay <a href="https://twitter.com/nbc6?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NBC6</a></p>&mdash; Julia Bagg (@JuliaNBC6) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaNBC6/status/914769751209119745?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Imon Yourside]

Someone recording with a police scanner...

<iframe width="640" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Uby3-4rojHw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Hoover]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: More than 20 dead and &quot;in excess of 100 injured&quot; in Las Vegas shooting, police say <a href="https://t.co/4gjejvdANj">https://t.co/4gjejvdANj</a> <a href="https://t.co/BEuslSVDEP">pic.twitter.com/BEuslSVDEP</a></p>&mdash; Bloomberg Politics (@bpolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/914771580378632192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[oaklandhater]

Now comes the game of politics left wingers hoping he is a rwnj and right wingers hoping for antifa or Muslims sad :(

[Imon Yourside]

https://twitter.com/rudawenglish/status/914746344753033216

[Hoover]

Jesus.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a>: Footage from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mandalaybay?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mandalaybay</a> as shooter indiscriminately fires at huge crowds of people, people shout “run, run, run.” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LasVegas?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LasVegas</a> <a href="https://t.co/inYb8lO81t">pic.twitter.com/inYb8lO81t</a></p>&mdash; Rudaw English (@RudawEnglish) <a href="https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/914746344753033216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Hoover]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Suspect in Las Vegas strip shooting is dead, police say <a href="https://t.co/OFnUkEe583">https://t.co/OFnUkEe583</a> <a href="https://t.co/1QOmJO44kU">pic.twitter.com/1QOmJO44kU</a></p>&mdash; CNN (@CNN) <a href="https://twitter.com/CNN/status/914772876162748416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Baby Lee]

Now comes the game of politics left wingers hoping he is a rwnj and right wingers hoping for antifa or Muslims sad :(

It has happened, what comes to light comes to light.

If there is anything to responsibly hope for, it's that his reasons are so retarded and individual that it sobers/shames 24/7 talking heads into not even discussing them.

There probably isn't an alternative explanation or rationale that wouldn't serve to inspire some and inflame the passions of others.

[Perineum Ripper]

Sounded like a 240 with a cyclic rate of 300 round burst. Fucking insane!

You are a fucking idiot

[rico]

Holy fucking shit. These videos.... insane.

[penbrook]

You are a ****ing idiot

Not at all. He was shooting a automatic machine gun which a 240 is. However he probably did have to reload. Unless he linked the ammo together. That sound is not from a regular rifle. It was definently of some type of automatic machine gun.

[Perineum Ripper]

Not at all. He was shooting a automatic machine gun which a 240 is. However he probably did have to reload. Unless he linked the ammo together. That sound is not from a regular rifle. It was definently of some type of automatic machine gun.

I know exactly what a 240 is..carried one all over Afghanistan..it sounds nothing like a 240 and the bursts were nowhere near 300

Probably had to reload huh..is that why there was long pauses in the gunfire..after his 300 round bursts there General

[penbrook]

I know exactly what a 240 is..carried one all over Afghanistan..it sounds nothing like a 240 and the bursts were nowhere near 300

Probably had to reload huh..is that why there was long pauses in the gunfire..after his 300 round bursts there General

There were pauses if you listened. He had time to reload

[Mephistopheles Janx]

I know exactly what a 240 is..carried one all over Afghanistan..it sounds nothing like a 240 and the bursts were nowhere near 300

Probably had to reload huh..is that why there was long pauses in the gunfire..after his 300 round bursts there General


There were pauses if you listened. He had time to reload

you are really gonna double down? the dude already told you that he is intimately familiar with that particular weapon.

[Coochie liquor]

you are really gonna double down? the dude already told you that he is intimately familiar with that particular weapon.

Was that not the shooter in the pic that you posted and deleted?

[penbrook]

Was that not the shooter in the pic that you posted and deleted?

The shooter has not been confirmed yet. Don’t believe reports. All we know is that he is the roommate of Marilou Danley

[Mephistopheles Janx]

Was that not the shooter in the pic that you posted and deleted?

Suspected but unconfirmed ATM. Killed the post in case the guy is innocent... just internets speculation.

[Coochie liquor]

Suspected but unconfirmed ATM. Killed the post in case the guy is innocent... just internets speculation.

Oh ok.

[LoneWolf]

Suspect identified as 64 year old Stephen Paddock.

[tyreekthefreak]

That video is intense. Singer wasn't sure what was going on. We as a society don't expect that stuff to happen here.

Lots of people hurt.


No society expects this crap of going on!

[Buns]

Jeez this sucks

[Buns]

update - 50+ dead, over 200+ injured

killer - 65 yead old guy, not typing name

[Gravedigger]

Guns. Thoughts. Prayers. America.

[Lex Luthor]

Religion of peace

Would it kill you to wait until we find out who did this ?

Billay is a ****ing dumbass. The shooter was a 64 year old native of Las Vegas.

[loochy]

Billay is a ****ing dumbass. The shooter was a 64 year old native of Las Vegas.

Don't act like it was a far fetched idea

[JD10367]

Billay is a ****ing dumbass. The shooter was a 64 year old native of Las Vegas.

Well, maybe the guy was a Christian, so it still applies. 'Cause, you know, they've never killed anyone before...

[ping2000]

Just woke up and saw this. Absolutely horrible. What in the fuck is wrong with people?

[PAChiefsGuy]

Thoughts and prayers go out to the families affected by this.

It is sad you can't even go to a concert anymore without worrying if some psycho is going to start shooting.

[alpha_omega]

Thoughts and prayers go out to the families.

This.

[threebag]

Prayers to the victims and families.

[Deberg_1990]

Prayers for the victims and their families. Horrible

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

That video by Dan Bilzerian running from the chaos is just chilling. Says he was next to a girl who had her head blown off.

[Rasputin]

Geeze. :shake: :(

:grovel:

[Lex Luthor]

Don't act like it was a far fetched idea

So?

Don't act like jumping to conclusions like that doesn't just add to the problem.

[Reerun_KC]

In before D.C. And someone blames the gun.


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[NewChief]

In before D.C. And someone blames the gun.


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Don't worry. Muslims beat gun control to the punch.

[BossChief]

I’m in Chicago now and leave in 3 hours for vegas for a leadership conference.

Wow

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

And the Raiders haven't even moved there yet.

[ct]

I’m in Chicago now and leave in 3 hours for vegas for a leadership conference.

Wow

at least my conference is NEXT week (@MandalayBay)

good luck bro, hope all goes smoothly

[Dartgod]

How about we keep the politics out of this thread people? I'm sure there is a thread in the DC lounge that you can go to town in.

[BucEyedPea]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Video courtesy of Drew Akioshi. He was attending the concert at mandalay bay when shooting started. <a href="https://t.co/mbyh9Y387q">pic.twitter.com/mbyh9Y387q</a></p>&mdash; David Sakach (@davidsakach) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidsakach/status/914730995147870208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wish I could see that. But link says — "Sorry, this page does not exist."

[notorious]

at least my conference is NEXT week (@MandalayBay)

good luck bro, hope all goes smoothly



Surfaces floor show is there in Janurary. Still going.

[BossChief]

at least my conference is NEXT week (@MandalayBay)

good luck bro, hope all goes smoothly

Honestly, I’m glad I wasn’t part of the group that flew in yesterday...I like Aldeans music and probably would have tried to get tickets for the show.

What luck...the original conference was supposed to be in Orlando and was cancelled for the hurricane and they rescheduled it for vegas and this happens the night before I get there.

[Reerun_KC]

I read that Aldean was on the stage during the incident.

Man that has to totally mess with your physique


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[Mile High Mania]

I read that Aldean was on the stage during the incident.

Man that has to totally mess with your physique


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I know what you wanted to say.

[KCUnited]

I read that Aldean was on the stage during the incident.

Man that has to totally mess with your physique


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I doubt he stops lifting over this.

[scho63]

Now comes the game of politics left wingers hoping he is a rwnj and right wingers hoping for antifa or Muslims sad :(

Finally a post of yours I can agree with......:clap:

[Demonpenz]

All those weights and he can't carry a tune

[Reerun_KC]

I know what you wanted to say.



Apparently apple doesnt.


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[Simply Red]

I read that Aldean was on the stage during the incident.

Man that has to totally mess with your physique


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Guess i'm getting old.

[Reerun_KC]

I doubt he stops lifting over this.



Dammit. I hate you guys.


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[KCUnited]

Hope the survivors and their families can muscle through this.

[Simply Red]

WTF is Aldean?

[Reerun_KC]

WTF is Aldean?



A physic


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[Reerun_KC]

Hope the survivors and their families can muscle through this.



Seriously hate you guys.


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[Buehler445]

I know what you wanted to say.

Well, if he got winged, his bench would be off some.

[POND_OF_RED]

This is absolutely heartbreaking.

[DaNewGuy]

Religion of peace

Once again you prove the be the village idiot around here

[nychief]

Religion of peace

Here you go...shit for brains.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/353377-las-vegas-gunman-identified-as-nevada-resident-stephen-paddock

[Demonpenz]

You would think that he would have a spotter.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

WTF is Aldean?

A little shy thing with a wild side on a night like this it just can't hide....

[Black Bob]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. This is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people to anyone, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.

[Marcellus]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. There is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.

Proving once again you are a fucking moron.

[Dartgod]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. This is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.

Go be a dumbass somewhere else.

[AMDChief]

Religion of peace

Christian extremist terrorist?

[Fish]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. This is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people to anyone, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.

Just shut the fuck up. Nobody deserves this. Fucking moron.

[BigRedChief]

I read that Aldean was on the stage during the incident.

Man that has to totally mess with your physique


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNever heard of the guy. Is he controversial? Said anything lately to piss someone off?

Or was this just random violence by a crazy man who needed a crowd to fire on?

[DaNewGuy]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. This is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people to anyone, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.

I take that back billay looks like a fucking genius compared to this twat

[kcchiefsus]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. This is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people to anyone, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.

Fuck you

[DaNewGuy]

Should we start putting the elderly down at a certain age ?

[BigRedChief]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. This is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people to anyone, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.come on man, take it to DC...

[BigRedChief]

Are all Las Vegas Planeteers safe? Nothing new posted on Flopnuts facebook page.

[stumppy]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. This is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people to anyone, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.

What the fuck is wrong with you! You piece of shit.

[Dunit35]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. This is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people to anyone, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.

Douche

[stevieray]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. This is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people to anyone, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.
Says the guy who advocates for civil war

Youre gonna die by the sword

fitting.

[Buns]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. This is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people to anyone, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.

Go Fuck Yourself

[RunKC]

I'm not up to date on this story. He had a gun in his hotel room right? If so, how did he get that through security?

[DaFace]

I'm not up to date on this story. He had a gun in his hotel room right? If so, how did he get that through security?Do you typically go through a metal detector when renting a hotel room?

[notorious]

I'm not up to date on this story. He had a gun in his hotel room right? If so, how did he get that through security?

Wouldn't be hard.

[stevieray]

up to ten rifles. He checked in four days prior.I'm not up to date on this story. He had a gun in his hotel room right? If so, how did he get that through security?

[RunKC]

Do you typically go through a metal detector when renting a hotel room?

That brings me to my next point. I wonder why security hasn't been ramped up in places like movie theatres, hotels, etc. Must be an issue with money?

[thabear04]

Just talked to one of my friends saying the girl next to her got shot and was bleeding. And they were hiding in someone apt with 12 other people and she is lucky to be alive.

[notorious]

That brings me to my next point. I wonder why security hasn't been ramped up in places like movie theatres, hotels, etc. Must be an issue with money?

How many problems have hotels had like this in the past?


There is your answer.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I'm not up to date on this story. He had a gun in his hotel room right? If so, how did he get that through security?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91CIGui1X3L._SL1500_.jpg

[BigRedChief]

That brings me to my next point. I wonder why security hasn't been ramped up in places like movie theatres, hotels, etc. Must be an issue with money?Its legal to open carry guns in Nevada. Conceal weapons without a permit. There are basically no rules on owning any type of gun or carrying them around except for automatic weapons in Nevada.

[Why Not?]

That brings me to my next point. I wonder why security hasn't been ramped up in places like movie theatres, hotels, etc. Must be an issue with money?

I'm not sure if it is an issue with money. I think it's more an issue with classic American "that won't happen to me" thinking. I mean, the fact that there's not an armed guard(at $14-$15 per hour, relatively minimal)at every school in America is baffling. We've had multiple school age children get blown away while playing at school and anyone could walk into almost any school this very day and go tee off on some 6 year olds. Then hysteria, media, outrage, memorials....next week "back to school kids!" with maybe an officer at that school moving forward. For whatever reason, as a society we just don't want to emphasize security as a top priority. Except kind of at the airport and at some sporting events

[Halfcan]

Horrible news. What a sad chapter in this countries history when this has become the norm.

Heartbreaking.

[redfan]

Horrible news. What a sad chapter in this countries history when this has become the norm.

Heartbreaking.

It's far from the norm.

[RunKC]

I'm not sure if it is an issue with money. I think it's more an issue with classic American "that won't happen to me" thinking. I mean, the fact that there's not an armed guard(at $14-$15 per hour, relatively minimal)at every school in America is baffling. We've had multiple school age children get blown away while playing at school and anyone could walk into almost any school this very day and go tee off on some 6 year olds. Then hysteria, media, outrage, memorials....next week "back to school kids!" with maybe an officer at that school moving forward. For whatever reason, as a society we just don't want to emphasize security as a top priority. Except kind of at the airport and at some sporting events

I think this is a good explanation. For me personally, I won't go to a movie in the afternoon or night...only the morning when people not many people are there.
After the Colorado incident, I get anxiety being in big crowds like that with no quick way out such as a movie theatre.

You'd think they'd take the lead and market a safe approach. I would be happy to pay 2-3 more dollars if it meant that the theater had a metal detector in use.

[Marcellus]

Are all Las Vegas Planeteers safe? Nothing new posted on Flopnuts facebook page.

Flop updated his status a little while ago, he and the wife are fine.

[notorious]

I think this is a good explanation. For me personally, I won't go to a movie in the afternoon or night...only the morning when people not many people are there.
After the Colorado incident, I get anxiety being in big crowds like that with no quick way out such as a movie theatre.

You'd think they'd take the lead and market a safe approach. I would be happy to pay 2-3 more dollars if it meant that the theater had a metal detector in use.

I hope you don't swim in the ocean, fly in airliners, or even drive in a car.


The odds are tiny that you will end up in any of these gunmen situations. It's great to have sharp situational awareness, but please don't live in fear.

[bdj23]

I'd imagine it would be pretty easy to sneak a bunch of guns into a Las Vegas hotel.

[nychief]

It's far from the norm.



Oh bullshit.

[Bwana]

The only thing I can think to say is we deserve this as a country. This is cause and effect. If you are going to make and sell weapons capable of killing that many people to anyone, then what do you expect?

If you are gonna be dumb, you better be tough.

Eat a dick, Bob.

[bdj23]

Also, why hasn't Black Bob been banned? Dude is a worthless piece of shit.

[BigRedChief]

Flop updated his status a little while ago, he and the wife are fine.:clap:

[Reerun_KC]

I think this is a good explanation. For me personally, I won't go to a movie in the afternoon or night...only the morning when people not many people are there.

After the Colorado incident, I get anxiety being in big crowds like that with no quick way out such as a movie theatre.



You'd think they'd take the lead and market a safe approach. I would be happy to pay 2-3 more dollars if it meant that the theater had a metal detector in use.



I always conceal carry at every movie theater I go to.


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[Marcellus]

Oh bullshit.

The worse mass shooting in US history is the "norm" now?

[Great Expectations]

Never heard of the guy. Is he controversial? Said anything lately to piss someone off?

Or was this just random violence by a crazy man who needed a crowd to fire on?

Country musician, one of the new breed hacks who sings other people's songs wearing fancy jeans and such.

[Why Not?]

I think this is a good explanation. For me personally, I won't go to a movie in the afternoon or night...only the morning when people not many people are there.
After the Colorado incident, I get anxiety being in big crowds like that with no quick way out such as a movie theatre.

You'd think they'd take the lead and market a safe approach. I would be happy to pay 2-3 more dollars if it meant that the theater had a metal detector in use.

I would pay that as well. I live in a state where I can and do carry at the movies. My kids aren't going to be orphaned without a fight because some crazy asshole who can't get laid decided to go postal. Overall, I agree with Notorious. I'm not going to not do something out of fear, but I will take any precautions.

[DaNewGuy]

I always conceal carry at every movie theater I go to.


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Me too, I keep my hand right on my gun, and then ask for someone to watch my six while I reach for my soda

[prhom]

I'm not sure if it is an issue with money. I think it's more an issue with classic American "that won't happen to me" thinking. I mean, the fact that there's not an armed guard(at $14-$15 per hour, relatively minimal)at every school in America is baffling. We've had multiple school age children get blown away while playing at school and anyone could walk into almost any school this very day and go tee off on some 6 year olds. Then hysteria, media, outrage, memorials....next week "back to school kids!" with maybe an officer at that school moving forward. For whatever reason, as a society we just don't want to emphasize security as a top priority. Except kind of at the airport and at some sporting events

Pretty good take on this. I travel a lot in Honduras and every gas station, hotel, mall, and moderately nice restaurant has at least one and usually multiple guards wearing body armor and armed with shotguns or automatic weapons. Granted, those guys aren't making $14 per hr but it's all relative. Security is a necessity there and businesses just pony up for it. It's a cost of doing business there, but here we are not used to having to provide basic security on that level.

[BigRedChief]

I think this is a good explanation. For me personally, I won't go to a movie in the afternoon or night...only the morning when people not many people are there.
After the Colorado incident, I get anxiety being in big crowds like that with no quick way out such as a movie theatre.

You'd think they'd take the lead and market a safe approach. I would be happy to pay 2-3 more dollars if it meant that the theater had a metal detector in use.Living life in fear of being a random victim of terrorism is a unnecessarily wasted life. You have a 10X better chance of slipping in the shower and killing yourself.

[Great Expectations]

Pretty good take on this. I travel a lot in Honduras and every gas station, hotel, mall, and moderately nice restaurant has at least one and usually multiple guards wearing body armor and armed with shotguns or automatic weapons. Granted, those guys aren't making $14 per hr but it's all relative. Security is a necessity there and businesses just pony up for it. It's a cost of doing business there, but here we are not used to having to provide basic security on that level.

That would make everyone feel better until one of them goes postal and starts shooting people.

[Frazod]

Also, why hasn't Black Bob been banned? Dude is a worthless piece of shit.

This is an excellent question. The fucking cunt should at least be relegated to Romper Room. At the very least.

[BigRedChief]

Pretty good take on this. I travel a lot in Honduras and every gas station, hotel, mall, and moderately nice restaurant has at least one and usually multiple guards wearing body armor and armed with shotguns or automatic weapons. Granted, those guys aren't making $14 per hr but it's all relative. Security is a necessity there and businesses just pony up for it. It's a cost of doing business there, but here we are not used to having to provide basic security on that level.They are there to protect the owners money and business, not their customers.

[notorious]

They are there to protect the owners money and business, not their customers.

.

[RunKC]

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: Without providing evidence, Islamic State claims Las Vegas attack, says shooter converted to Islam months ago.
9:17 AM · Oct 2, 2017

Woah...what? Not taking sides here. Just posting news from AP

[BigRedChief]

Country musician, one of the new breed hacks who sings other people's songs wearing fancy jeans and such.that sounds like shit. :sulk:

[notorious]

Probably just trying to get attention.

[Why Not?]

They are there to protect the owners money and business, not their customers.


But kind of one and the same. Your customers getting killed off can't be good for business

[Reerun_KC]

Country musician, one of the new breed hacks who sings other people's songs wearing fancy jeans and such.



So you're condoning the attack because you hate this guy?


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[Bwana]

This is an excellent question. The ****ing **** should at least be relegated to Romper Room. At the very least.

Hey, all I can tell you is he has been booted out of a couple a threads today so far. He was being good for awhile, but he seems to be going full Black Bob again.

[bdj23]

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: Without providing evidence, Islamic State claims Las Vegas attack, says shooter converted to Islam months ago.
9:17 AM · Oct 2, 2017

Woah...what? Not taking sides here. Just posting news from AP

ISIS claims responsibility to everything, don't they?

[nychief]

ISIS claims responsibility to everything, don't they?


They claimed responsibility for our 3-0 start last week.

[Dayze]

how long until Alex Jones states this is a False Flag CIA psyop?

[Mr. Plow]

Religion of peace

You are the worst troll on the site you dildo carrying idiot.

[Bwana]

See, this is why we can't have nice things. The investigators haven't even gotten out of their cars yet and all the self-important news experts have identified the shooter as Gary, Steve, Barry, Freddy who is black, white, antifa, muzzy, ISIS, and a rabid NRA member. He was using a full auto AK, AR-15, RPG, RPK, RPD, M-16....LOL.
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[ptlyon]

They claimed responsibility for our 3-0 start last week.

And all along I've been reading on here it was because of Alex Smith

[Great Expectations]

So you're condoning the attack because you hate this guy?


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No, just answering the question of who he is. Also letting him know that the attacks had nothing to do with a controversial artist.

[prhom]

That would make everyone feel better until one of them goes postal and starts shooting people.

That's why you have more than one. Security against rogue security. I'm just giving an example of how other places where violence is a part of everyday life approach security.

[redfan]

Oh bullshit.

Ok, how do you define "the norm"?

[WilliamTheIrish]

Me too, I keep my hand right on my gun, and then ask for someone to watch my six while I reach for my soda

LMAO

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Black Bob went full retarded again

[BossChief]

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: Without providing evidence, Islamic State claims Las Vegas attack, says shooter converted to Islam months ago.
9:17 AM · Oct 2, 2017

Woah...what? Not taking sides here. Just posting news from AP

Great

[nychief]

[/URL]Ok, how do you define "the norm"?




https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/mass-shootings-timeline.html?smid=tw-share

[prhom]

They are there to protect the owners money and business, not their customers.

I'd say for the smaller places, sure. But the hotels, mall, etc. it's dual purpose. Those places are poor robbery targets but more attractive for violence against people. They don't have issues with terrorism or mass shootings for no reason, but drug violence is constant. People go to those places because they are safer than places without. This is what I hear from people who live there. Fine to be cynical about it, but those who live with it daily value that security.

[The Franchise]

Black Bob went full retarded again

That would mean that he had stopped at one time and we know that's not possible.

[Amnorix]

I'm not sure if it is an issue with money. I think it's more an issue with classic American "that won't happen to me" thinking. I mean, the fact that there's not an armed guard(at $14-$15 per hour, relatively minimal)at every school in America is baffling. We've had multiple school age children get blown away while playing at school and anyone could walk into almost any school this very day and go tee off on some 6 year olds. Then hysteria, media, outrage, memorials....next week "back to school kids!" with maybe an officer at that school moving forward. For whatever reason, as a society we just don't want to emphasize security as a top priority. Except kind of at the airport and at some sporting events


What society has metal detectors in every public building? North Korea? I mean, maybe we need to go in that direction, but it's not like hotels have had any reason to think they need this kind of security.

Besides, think about it -- hotels are nothing more than places where massive numbers of people with bags go in and out all the time. You want TSA level checkpoints to get into your hotel room every time you go there?

[ptlyon]

You want TSA level checkpoints to get into your hotel room every time you go there?

That would suck if you really had to piss

[BigRedChief]

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: Without providing evidence, Islamic State claims Las Vegas attack, says shooter converted to Islam months ago.
9:17 AM · Oct 2, 2017

Woah...what? Not taking sides here. Just posting news from APa 64 year old white male living in a 55+ community doesn't just convert to Islam without any travel or any Muslim objects in his home. They are just trying to claim it as their own.

[Buck]

When I went to bed it was 2 dead and I woke up and it's 50. Awful. Sad.

Rest In Peace

[old_geezer]

a 64 year old white male living in a 55+ community doesn't just convert to Islam without any travel or any Muslim objects in his home. They are just trying to claim it as their own.

This was my assumption also. Highly doubtful he had anything to do with ISIS.

[ROYC75]

a 64 year old white male living in a 55+ community doesn't just convert to Islam without any travel or any Muslim objects in his home. They are just trying to claim it as their own.

This sounds like real facts.

I have a sister and BOL living in Vegas, they were in San Diego for the weekend! :clap:

The strange part is they were planning to stay at this same hotel before switching dates to go to San Diego, their new reservations are in 2 weeks!
You could say they may of dodged that bullet while many didn't.

Prayers and thoughts for the victims.

[Molitoth]

Also, why hasn't Black Bob been banned? Dude is a worthless piece of shit.

I don't even know how his rep is fucking green.
Who the fuck likes this asshole?

[ROYC75]

WOW.

So sad!

[Buck]

58 dead / 515 wounded currently. Worst shooting in the history of the US.

Pulse had 49 dead / 58 Wounded

[Al Bundy]

The suspected gunman behind the Las Vegas massacre made several large gambling transactions in recent weeks, according to law enforcement officials.

The transactions by Stephen Paddock, who lived in Mesquite, Nevada, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vega, were in the tens of thousands in Las Vegas, the officials said.

It was not immediately clear if those transactions were losses or wins

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooting-suspect-identified-n806471

[DaFace]

Regarding the "metal detectors and security guards everywhere" discussion, I always feel it's important to point out that overall murder rates in the U.S. are at historic lows (https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#nat1970) these days. It's ticked up a smidge since 2014, but it's still nowhere near the levels that were seen in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

Are you more likely today to be killed in a mass shooting compared to the past? Probably. But your overall likelihood of being hurt is still extremely low. Don't let events like this keep you from going out and living life (or being so protective of your kids that they don't learn how to live life in the first place).

[Rain Man]

When I went to bed it was 2 dead and I woke up and it's 50. Awful. Sad.

Rest In Peace

I saw the first video coming out right before I went to bed last night, and it was pretty clear that there were going to be a lot more than two deaths when it was all over. Terrible.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

The FBI has spoken with Eric Paddock, the brother of the gunman, at his home in central Florida. Paddock has also given a few interviews at greater length.
“He was my brother and it’s like an asteroid fell out of the sky,” Paddock told CNN. He said he last spoke to his brother when Stephen wanted to check in on their mother after Hurricane Irma.
Paddock expressed shock and horror to CBS that his brother could commit such a crime. He had “no religious affiliation, no political affiliation, he just hung out”, Paddock said.
“He’s not an avid gun guy at all. The fact that he had those kind of weapons is just – where the hell did he get automatic weapons? He has no military background or anything like that. He’s just a guy who lived in a house in Mesquite, drove down and gambled in Las Vegas. He did stuff. Ate burritos.”
Paddock said that when he heard the news he became scared for Paddock’s girlfriend, Marilou Danley, worrying that “he might’ve hurt her too”.
Police have said Danley was out of the country, unharmed and speaking with investigators.

[Dartgod]

Here's a good visual of where the shooter and the victims were all located.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/blonde4ever/download/file.php?id=154

[BWillie]

What society has metal detectors in every public building? North Korea? I mean, maybe we need to go in that direction, but it's not like hotels have had any reason to think they need this kind of security.

Besides, think about it -- hotels are nothing more than places where massive numbers of people with bags go in and out all the time. You want TSA level checkpoints to get into your hotel room every time you go there?

Excellent point. You'll get too many knee jerk reactions right now, versus good intelligent thought.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Here's a good visual of where the shooter and the victims were all located.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/blonde4ever/download/file.php?id=154

not terribly accurate, he was on the end of a wing. still unclear why 2 windows are broken out.
https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/ap_17275497959164.jpg?w=700&h=393&crop=1

[DaFace]

Black Bob was booted from the thread by Dartgod a while ago, just for the record. Carry on.

[BWillie]

a 64 year old white male living in a 55+ community doesn't just convert to Islam without any travel or any Muslim objects in his home. They are just trying to claim it as their own.

Not necessarily. I mean he opened fire on a country music event. Who goes to country music events? Usually Christian white people. Could have just been pissed at Trump. Could just be a coincidence. Who really knows at this point.

[bdj23]

not terribly accurate, he was on the end of a wing. still unclear why 2 windows are broken out.
https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/ap_17275497959164.jpg?w=700&h=393&crop=1

Corner suite?

[Perineum Ripper]

not terribly accurate, he was on the end of a wing. still unclear why 2 windows are broken out.
https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/ap_17275497959164.jpg?w=700&h=393&crop=1

My guess would be moving from window to window for different angles as the crowd moved together to escape

[O.city]

Terrible terrible news.

From early reports just seems like a normal guy. Wonder what happened

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Corner suite?

possible,though assuming those panes are something near 4' wide, that would be a big suite.

[BlackHelicopters]

Craps is so frustrating.

[BWillie]

possible,though assuming those panes are something near 4' wide, that would be a big suite.

Rent more than one room. That is your answer.

[Marcellus]

My guess would be moving from window to window for different angles as the crowd moved together to escape

I have often wondered why so many of these shooters are so incompetent and have really have been grateful they were because typically they have a low kill rate.

This guy was not incompetent and was entirely too efficient.


100% chance foreign terrorist copy this method in the future.

[Fish]

I have often wondered why so many of these shooters are so incompetent and have really have been grateful they were because typically they have a low kill rate.

This guy was not incompetent and was entirely too efficient.


100% chance foreign terrorist copy this method in the future.

Entirely too efficient? He's shooting into a giant mass of people standing shoulder to shoulder. It's like a 1/8th square mile of nothing but humans. He wouldn't even have to aim.

[DaneMcCloud]

I have two friends with family members that were at the concert. I read the full account from one person, who wasn't injured, and it was terrifying.

In the other case, the girl was shot in the arm and her boyfriend, in the head. No word yet on the extent of his injury.

[Perineum Ripper]

I have often wondered why so many of these shooters are so incompetent and have really have been grateful they were because typically they have a low kill rate.

This guy was not incompetent and was entirely too efficient.


100% chance foreign terrorist copy this method in the future.

If this method is picked up and, I agree it will be, then it could easily get a lot worse than this with 2 or 3 shooters wanting to cause damage..instead of being a single guy who snapped or whatever happened with this asshole

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

It's being reported the shooter was actually OJ Simpson

[Couch-Potato]

Must have developed some psychological condition? Unclear why such a normal guy would snap like this.

[Marcellus]

Entirely too efficient? He's shooting into a giant mass of people standing shoulder to shoulder. It's like a 1/8th square mile of nothing but humans. He wouldn't even have to aim.

You apparently have zero idea how difficult it is to kill close to 60 people and wound another 400+ with a rifle from a long distance. Even a belt fed fully automatic version which I doubt he used. I don't care how packed in they were.

[Bwana]

I have two friends with family members that were at the concert. I read the full account from one person, who wasn't injured, and it was terrifying.

In the other case, the girl was shot in the arm and her boyfriend, in the head. No word yet on the extent of his injury.

Oh crap, sorry to hear that.

[Dartgod]

I have two friends with family members that were at the concert. I read the full account from one person, who wasn't injured, and it was terrifying.

In the other case, the girl was shot in the arm and her boyfriend, in the head. No word yet on the extent of his injury.

My God, that's horrible. I mean the whole thing was senseless and horrible, but when you personally know people that were affected, it goes to a whole new level.

[BWillie]

You apparently have zero idea how difficult it is to kill close to 60 people and wound another 400+ with a rifle from a long distance. Even a belt fed fully automatic version which I doubt he used. I don't care how packed in they were.

I do admit, it's kind of weird this guy wasn't even into guns, wasn't in the military previously, wasn't religious, was apparently a normal dude up until recently. It would appear this took intense planning, logistics and a skillful marksman.

[Deberg_1990]

I wonder how they narrowed down what room he was in exactly? These hotels are gigantic. Sensors on the windows? Guests in the room next to him who reported gunfire?

[Marcellus]

I do admit, it's kind of weird this guy wasn't even into guns, wasn't in the military previously, wasn't religious, was apparently a normal dude up until recently. It would appear this took intense planning, logistics and a skillful marksman.

Its very very bizzare, they guy would have had to spent a lot of time and effort planning this one would think so its not like he just snapped one day and pulled out a gun and started shooting.

[O.city]

From about 300 yards away?

[WilliamTheIrish]

I would wonder how they narrowed down what room he was in exactly? These hotels are gigantic Sensors on the windows? Guests in the room next to him who reported gunfire?

Seem to be two or three theories:

1) somebody saw the muzzle flash.

2) The smoke alarm went off - due to the gas released from so many rounds.

[DaFace]

I would wonder how they narrowed down what room he was in exactly? These hotels are gigantic Sensors on the windows? Guests in the room next to him who reported gunfire?

Probably wouldn't be hard to identify the room with a window busted out.

[O.city]

It's no time to be a conspiracy theorist but this just doesn't make a lot of sense that this guy could do this

[manchambo]

I do admit, it's kind of weird this guy wasn't even into guns, wasn't in the military previously, wasn't religious, was apparently a normal dude up until recently. It would appear this took intense planning, logistics and a skillful marksman.

Indeed. As a person who knows little about guns, i wouldnt even know what kind of gun would be effective from that distance. I suppose there are books and websites you could read, but there are lots of logistical issues shooting people from 350 ft up and what looks like nearly 1/4 mile away.

[DaFace]

It's no time to be a conspiracy theorist but this just doesn't make a lot of sense that this guy could do this

Agreed. It does seem very odd based on what we currently know.

[Bwana]

I wonder how they narrowed down what room he was in exactly? These hotels are gigantic. Sensors on the windows? Guests in the room next to him who reported gunfire?

The broken windows would be a hint.

[thegame214]

It's no time to be a conspiracy theorist but this just doesn't make a lot of sense that this guy could do this

A white male? You're right, now had he been a minority no doubt :shake::shake::shake:

[mnchiefsguy]

I have two friends with family members that were at the concert. I read the full account from one person, who wasn't injured, and it was terrifying.

In the other case, the girl was shot in the arm and her boyfriend, in the head. No word yet on the extent of his injury.

Thoughts and prayers for you friends and their families, and for everyone there.

[Deberg_1990]

It's no time to be a conspiracy theorist but this just doesn't make a lot of sense that this guy could do this

It does seem very strange with little to no motive

[O.city]

A white male? You're right, now had he been a minority no doubt :shake::shake::shake:

No, didn't mean for it to come of that way, just being what we know about him.

No gun experience etc

[thegame214]

Why would he do this when America is "great again"?

[DaFace]

Why would he do this when America is "great again"?

Knock it off, leave the thread, or prepared to be escorted out.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I wonder how they narrowed down what room he was in exactly? These hotels are gigantic. Sensors on the windows? Guests in the room next to him who reported gunfire?

the smoke from the shooting set off the smoke alarm

[Deberg_1990]

I have two friends with family members that were at the concert. I read the full account from one person, who wasn't injured, and it was terrifying.

In the other case, the girl was shot in the arm and her boyfriend, in the head. No word yet on the extent of his injury.

That's horrible Dane. Prayers to them and their families

[Bwana]

Why would he do this when America is "great again"?

There is a thread for this in DC, go there.

[ROYC75]

Why would he do this when America is "great again"?

Being a dickhead does not win you any points! 4321

[Frazod]

Its very very bizzare, they guy would have had to spent a lot of time and effort planning this one would think so its not like he just snapped one day and pulled out a gun and started shooting.

Yeah, this is weird. The logistics involved - hauling all those rifles and all that ammo around, in a way that obviously arose no suspicion. Just hauling a few hundred rounds and a couple of rifles to the range is a pain in the ass. I also find it hard to believe that this guy previously demonstrated no interest in guns, yet was able to pull this off.

Don't buy the "snapped" angle, either. You don't snap and then spend days and thousands of dollars on equipment planning this shit.

This is bent. How bent is something I guess we'll find out later.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I'm not shocked he could do this. Any one of us could do this if we had the interest and could source the firepower. Shooting down into a huge crowd from an elevated posiition is not skillful. It is the proverbial fish in a barrel. People didn't run because they expoected the fire was ground base and were not sure which direction to run. Even during the reloading pauses you hear people in the videos hesitant to move, some still in disbelief it was real.

Now, if these were full auto, then that is a real question how a novice got them, as while they are legal with permits, it's not a simple process. If it was bumpfire, that easy to modify by reading the instructions or watching youtube.

[Why Not?]

What society has metal detectors in every public building? North Korea? I mean, maybe we need to go in that direction, but it's not like hotels have had any reason to think they need this kind of security.

Besides, think about it -- hotels are nothing more than places where massive numbers of people with bags go in and out all the time. You want TSA level checkpoints to get into your hotel room every time you go there?

I guess if you squint hard enough you could take away from my post that I was loosey advocating for metal detectors everywhere. I assure you that is not the case. I am more pro armed security than I am metal detectors.

[Fish]

You apparently have zero idea how difficult it is to kill close to 60 people and wound another 400+ with a rifle from a long distance. Even a belt fed fully automatic version which I doubt he used. I don't care how packed in they were.

Ohh, OK. Please tell us about your experience with how difficult it is to kill close to 60 people.

[bdj23]

I'm supposed to get married in Las Vegas on this weekend next year.

[DaFace]

I'm supposed to get married in Las Vegas on this weekend next year.You shouldn't let this affect that at all.

[O.city]

Yeah, this is weird. The logistics involved - hauling all those rifles and all that ammo around, in a way that obviously arose no suspicion. Just hauling a few hundred rounds and a couple of rifles to the range is a pain in the ass. I also find it hard to believe that this guy previously demonstrated no interest in guns, yet was able to pull this off.

Don't buy the "snapped" angle, either. You don't snap and then spend days and thousands of dollars on equipment planning this shit.

This is bent. How bent is something I guess we'll find out later.

That's what I was thinking about. This shit was meticulous in planning.

Damn

[ptlyon]

You shouldn't let this affect that at all.

Unless he wants an excuse

[Molitoth]

I don't know why people are having a hard time thinking this was just a "normal guy".

It's not like he was going to advertise himself as a mass shooter on his t-shirt.

Of course he was going to keep a low profile in order to pull this off.

[nychief]

I'm supposed to get married in Las Vegas on this weekend next year.

Jesus. Are you okay?

[mikeyis4dcats.]

That's what I was thinking about. This shit was meticulous in planning.

Damn

how so? He had the room for 4 days, carrying a few pieces of luggage on a cart is hardly difficult. Hell, he could have tipped a bellhop to do it for him.

The only real planning part was identifying the target, and ensuring he could get a room overlooking it. I read elsewhere a rumor that his gf was a MB employee, so perhaps his knowledge was helped by that, or he used her ID to gain access.

[WilliamTheIrish]

I'm not shocked he could do this. Any one of us could do this if we had the interest and could source the firepower. Shooting down into a huge crowd from an elevated posiition is not skillful. It is the proverbial fish in a barrel. People didn't run because they expoected the fire was ground base and were not sure which direction to run. Even during the reloading pauses you hear people in the videos hesitant to move, some still in disbelief it was real.

Now, if these were full auto, then that is a real question how a novice got them, as while they are legal with permits, it's not a simple process. If it was bumpfire, that easy to modify by reading the instructions or watching youtube.

Neither am I.

20k people shoulder to shoulder in the street and and you strafe the fuck out of them. Those bursts were quick. and of the injured, we don't know how many were hurt just in the melee trying to get away.


I can actually feel the Alex Jones coming out in this thread.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I don't know why people are having a hard time thinking this was just a "normal guy".

It's not like he was going to advertise himself as a mass shooter on his t-shirt.

Of course he was going to keep a low profile in order to pull this off.

even "normal guys" tend to have some sort of strong beliefs though if they do something like this. A history of anger, or strong fundamentalism, something.

I said to my wife while I shaved this morning the first 2 reports I saw made no sense - that he was a leftist shooting at supposed Trump supporters (why not attack a political rally) and a gun nut (why give more fodder). To be largely neutral is very odd.

[KCUnited]

The guy is a professional gambler in Vegas. He could probably get a bazooka delivered as a side on room service.

[Marcellus]

Ohh, OK. Please tell us about your experience with how difficult it is to kill close to 60 people.

Historical evidence gives us the information we need. In other words this is the worse shooting EVER.

Its not like he is the first guy to try this.

I know it just seems so easy to think a guy could just shoot into a crowd and kill that many people, personally, I don't think its that easy. Its not like everyone stood still for 30 minutes while he was shooting.

Just my $.02.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Neither am I.

20k people shoulder to shoulder in the street and and you strafe the **** out of them. Those bursts were quick. and of the injured, we don't know how many were hurt just in the melee trying to get away.


I can actually feel the Alex Jones coming out in this thread.

it is also likely than multiple people were injured by every round due to the likelyhood this was 7.62mm or similar. Also, even the richochets from misses or through-shots hitting the pavement likley injured dozens.

[bdj23]

Jesus. Are you okay?

I didn't mean it like this.

I kinda just feel like it might not be appropriate to be out there, that weekend having a good time.

Might be in bad taste? I don't know.

[Dartgod]

Yeah, this is weird. The logistics involved - hauling all those rifles and all that ammo around, in a way that obviously arose no suspicion. Just hauling a few hundred rounds and a couple of rifles to the range is a pain in the ass. I also find it hard to believe that this guy previously demonstrated no interest in guns, yet was able to pull this off.

Don't buy the "snapped" angle, either. You don't snap and then spend days and thousands of dollars on equipment planning this shit.

This is bent. How bent is something I guess we'll find out later.

As someone previously posted, a golf travel bag full of guns instead of golf clubs would arouse no suspicion at all in Vegas.

[Fish]

I'm not shocked he could do this. Any one of us could do this if we had the interest and could source the firepower. Shooting down into a huge crowd from an elevated posiition is not skillful. It is the proverbial fish in a barrel. People didn't run because they expoected the fire was ground base and were not sure which direction to run. Even during the reloading pauses you hear people in the videos hesitant to move, some still in disbelief it was real.

Now, if these were full auto, then that is a real question how a novice got them, as while they are legal with permits, it's not a simple process. If it was bumpfire, that easy to modify by reading the instructions or watching youtube.

Not in the slightest. When you're shooting into an ocean of people who have no clue where the gunfire is coming from, it would be pretty hard to miss.

[Deberg_1990]

Yeah, this is weird. The logistics involved - hauling all those rifles and all that ammo around, in a way that obviously arose no suspicion. Just hauling a few hundred rounds and a couple of rifles to the range is a pain in the ass. I also find it hard to believe that this guy previously demonstrated no interest in guns, yet was able to pull this off.

Don't buy the "snapped" angle, either. You don't snap and then spend days and thousands of dollars on equipment planning this shit.

This is bent. How bent is something I guess we'll find out later.

Yep. Agreed. Nobody just wakes up one morning and decides to do this. This was methodical. I read he has been checked into that room since Thursday

[Chief_For_Life58]

Its hard to get a fully automatic rifle but you have to jump thru alot of hoops and the biggest kicker is you can only buy pre full auto rifles so there is alimiited amount and they all cost +$15,000. He might of been using a bump stock. My guess is he bought a fully auotmatic AK from a gang banger or cartel member. Audio sounds like 7.62

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Historical evidence gives us the information we need. In other words this is the worse shooting EVER.

Its not like he is the first guy to try this.

I know it just seems so easy to think a guy could just shoot into a crowd and kill that many people, personally, I don't think its that easy. Its not like everyone stood still for 30 minutes while he was shooting.

Just my $.02.

they didn't need to. If it was full auto belt-fed as some speculate (hard to believe he could lay hands on one as a novice, but we'll see). the fire rate is upwards of 500 rounds a minute. Hell, even a bumpfire AR15 can do the same in the right hands, so even half that is easily achievable by a novice. You can see in the video, people are still laying there for over 2 minutes while he fires

[manchambo]

As someone previously posted, a golf travel bag full of guns instead of golf clubs would arouse no suspicion at all in Vegas.

And if you self parked, you could have any number of suitcases or golf bags full of guns and bring them in over time. A 64 year old guy wheeling a couple of big suitcases isnt suspicious in a hotel.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I really have zero idea why bumpfire is legal.

[Chief_For_Life58]

because it isnt fully auto. the trigger is being pulled each time the gun fires

[bdj23]

I really have zero idea why bumpfire is legal.

What are ya gonna do, ban belt loops on jeans? I know people manufacturer bump fire stocks, but they can be difficult to use and lots of people don't like them because it just wastes ammo.

[Marcellus]

they didn't need to. If it was full auto belt-fed as some speculate (hard to believe he could lay hands on one as a novice, but we'll see). the fire rate is upwards of 500 rounds a minute. Hell, even a bumpfire AR15 can do the same in the right hands, so even half that is easily achievable by a novice. You can see in the video, people are still laying there for over 2 minutes while he fires

I know a decent amount about guns and yes there are things like bump fire that makes them basically fully auto.

Which also makes accuracy much lower.

What I am curious to know is how many rounds this guy fired. Without a belt fed type set up there is going to be a lot of reloading involved (not that that takes very long). It sounds like he had a shit ton of guns though so he may have just had a few mags for each.

The amount of cold blooded planning and methodical tactics he used makes this even more disturbing to me.

[eDave]

I didn't mean it like this.

I kinda just feel like it might not be appropriate to be out there, that weekend having a good time.

Might be in bad taste? I don't know.

Naw. I'm still planning to tear up Vegas over Halloween weekend.

[-King-]

Historical evidence gives us the information we need. In other words this is the worse shooting EVER.

Its not like he is the first guy to try this.

I know it just seems so easy to think a guy could just shoot into a crowd and kill that many people, personally, I don't think its that easy. Its not like everyone stood still for 30 minutes while he was shooting.

Just my $.02.

He was 32 floors up shooting at a crowd of thousands of people. You don't need skill to hit a bunch if you have a lot of ammo.
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[ptlyon]

Naw. I'm still planning to tear up Vegas over Halloween weekend.

SECURITY!

[saphojunkie]

I'd imagine it would be pretty easy to sneak a bunch of guns into a Las Vegas hotel.

Well then maybe - just maybe - the checkpoint for automatic guns should be a little earlier... like in the manufacturing stage.

[Frazod]

As someone previously posted, a golf travel bag full of guns instead of golf clubs would arouse no suspicion at all in Vegas.

True, but thousands of rounds of rifle ammo is a lot heavier than a bunch of golf balls. He must have made several trips back and forth to his vehicle, I guess over a long enough time period that nobody noticed.

[bdj23]

Well then maybe - just maybe - the checkpoint for automatic guns should be a little earlier... like in the manufacturing stage.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to get your hands on a fully automatic gun?

[Frazod]

What are ya gonna do, ban belt loops on jeans? I know people manufacturer bump fire stocks, but they can be difficult to use and lots of people don't like them because it just wastes ammo.

Yeah, I bought one for my AK. I think I still have it in my junk drawer, along with all the other useless accessories that sounded cool until I actually used them.

I suppose he could have had a crank trigger. Those appear to be pretty straightforward and simple to use, at least from a static location. I certainly wouldn't want to try to use one on the move.

[Frazod]

Do you have any idea how hard it is to get your hands on a fully automatic gun?

LMAO You realize who you're talking to, right?

[bdj23]

Yeah, I bought one for my AK. I think I still have it in my junk drawer, along with all the other useless accessories that sounded cool until I actually used them.

I suppose he could have had a crank trigger. Those appear to be pretty straightforward and simple to use, at least from a static location. I certainly wouldn't want to try to use one on the move.

I was thinking trigger crank too.

[ghak99]

Its hard to get a fully automatic rifle but you have to jump thru alot of hoops and the biggest kicker is you can only buy pre full auto rifles so there is alimiited amount and they all cost +$15,000. He might of been using a bump stock. My guess is he bought a fully auotmatic AK from a gang banger or cartel member. Audio sounds like 7.62

I've fired several versions of bump fires. You do not get that rate of consistent fire from a position to attack at 300-500 yards without sending thousands and thousands and thousands of rounds down range to get it figured out. Even then, they produce a very inconsistent rate. The initial burst slows and regains momentum at one point. Makes me think it's an old and mechanical unit fighting through the heat. The next burst sounds like a completely different weapon.

A gambling junking in deep can probably push around the right kind of money to get what he needed.

[The Franchise]

True, but thousands of rounds of rifle ammo is a lot heavier than a bunch of golf balls. He must have made several trips back and forth to his vehicle, I guess over a long enough time period that nobody noticed.

Well he had 4 days to do it. And it's Vegas. People aren't paying attention to the people around them and how many bags they're bringing in our out.

[Buns]

I wonder how they narrowed down what room he was in exactly? These hotels are gigantic. Sensors on the windows? Guests in the room next to him who reported gunfire?

Windows don't open on floors that high. I assume the broken window triggered an alarm.

[scho63]

As someone previously posted, a golf travel bag full of guns instead of golf clubs would arouse no suspicion at all in Vegas.

Or one of those large trade show cases.

[Frazod]

Well he had 4 days to do it. And it's Vegas. People aren't paying attention to the people around them and how many bags they're bringing in our out.

True enough. Still, wouldn't surprise me if somebody comes forward who said "yeah, we saw this old guy keep hauling shit into his room, wondered what he was up to."

[O.city]

Lotta shit in vegas is about to change

[Buns]

Don't you usually have to build these guns like Legos? Few big pieces of luggage and some golf clubs.

[eDave]

Lotta shit in vegas is about to change

I'm surprised Vegas hasn't been targeted by an Islamic terrorist before. Prime sinning location and target rich.

[Frazod]

Don't you usually have to build these guns like Legos? Few big pieces of luggage and some golf clubs.

Yeah, you could break down an AR and fit it inside a briefcase if you wanted to.

[Chief_For_Life58]

Yeah I dont really believe it was a bump fire rifle. Those things suck. It really sounded like a m249 or some heavy caliber full auto assault rifle. With the right mindset im sure you can figure out how to turn your semi auto rifle into fully automatic. I seriously doubt he bought a fully auto pre ban AK for $20,000. He either personally machined the gun to fire full auto or he bought one illegally thru a gambling connection/gang banger/cartel member

[BWillie]

I'm surprised Vegas hasn't been targeted by an Islamic terrorist before. Prime sinning location and target rich.

Yeah I've said it for years. Only a matter of time until this happens in Vegas, unfortunately. It's a great place, but too easy pickens for psychopathic assholes.

[notorious]

Yeah, I bought one for my AK. I think I still have it in my junk drawer, along with all the other useless accessories that sounded cool until I actually used them.

I suppose he could have had a crank trigger. Those appear to be pretty straightforward and simple to use, at least from a static location. I certainly wouldn't want to try to use one on the move.

I am thinking seers.

We've had a few AR builds where it double tapped due to a bad trigger. We replaced those fuckers ASAP.

[O.city]

I'm surprised Vegas hasn't been targeted by an Islamic terrorist before. Prime sinning location and target rich.

There's way way too much money in vegas for it to get bad, prior to this obviously.

Those hotel owners spend a shit fuck Ton of money to keep it safe there

[Fish]

True, but thousands of rounds of rifle ammo is a lot heavier than a bunch of golf balls. He must have made several trips back and forth to his vehicle, I guess over a long enough time period that nobody noticed.

He could have used a luggage rack back and forth many times over 4 days, and nobody would have given it a single thought...

[gblowfish]

Windows don't open on floors that high. I assume the broken window triggered an alarm.

Cops said he broke the window with a hammer or similar tool. They knew where to pinpoint his location because the smoke from the weapon set off the smoke alarm in his room.

[eDave]

There's way way too much money in vegas for it to get bad, prior to this obviously.

Those hotel owners spend a shit fuck Ton of money to keep it safe there

Boy, I don't know that.

[notorious]

Mandalay Bay is probably going to see a dip in business.

[bdj23]

Mandalay Bay is probably going to see a dip in business.

I lost $500 in a little over an hour last time i was there. Hate that place.

[Titty Meat]

Lotta shit in vegas is about to change

That's too bad because this couldn't have been stopped

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Yeah, I bought one for my AK. I think I still have it in my junk drawer, along with all the other useless accessories that sounded cool until I actually used them.

I suppose he could have had a crank trigger. Those appear to be pretty straightforward and simple to use, at least from a static location. I certainly wouldn't want to try to use one on the move.

reporting now he used a trigger crank

[O.city]

That's too bad because this couldn't have been stopped

Checking in your bags are gonna be checked or scanned now.

It is what it is.