My son is using to Bit Torrent

[Msmith]

He was downloading some TV shows. Our ISP sent 34 emails within one hour to warn about the illegal download. I showed the messages to him. He said that it was his first time so he would stop. But what of the consequence? Should I contact our ISP about this?

[TambaBerry]

as long as you stop its not a big deal

[TambaBerry]

or just buy a VPN and let your son download whatever he wants

[Hammock Parties]

you're going to a federal pound me in the ass prison

[MMXcalibur]

Tell him to use MegaUpload and he’ll be fine.

[Msmith]

I don't know anything about downloading stuff.

What is legal and what is not legal?

[Jewish Rabbi]

Good luck ever getting a loan or job again. That will stick with you forever.

[Ming the Merciless]

Lol

Just learn how to use it...

Set outgoing bandwidth down low....stop sharing item as soon as it is done....close the client when you're finished..

You really shouldn't even need a VPN if you're careful

[Ming the Merciless]

I don't know anything about downloading stuff.

What is legal and what is not legal?

Most isp don't care what you download, unless you're doing huge volumes

It's the uploads that will give you a problem....sharing files, leaving the torrent client on and sharing stuff.....

Just don't share stuff ...move the file as soon as it's downloaded...

[Ming the Merciless]

Oh and if he is torrenting, it's not his "1st time"

Torrenting takes practice and usually you don't start out torrenting.

Torrenting is the cocaine of stealing data. You don't just start out doing a mountain of cocaine

Usually you smoke some cigs, drink some booze...maybe smoke a bunch of weed

[Shaid]

yeah, you need to put on a blocker or VPN of some sort if you plan to torrent. I haven't done it in years so not up on what to use any more. I got contacted once probably 10 years ago or so. Not a big deal. Some ISPs have a 3 strike rule and they won't give you service any longer so if there's even a hint he may do more of it, you might just want to get a VPN just to protect yourself.

[Mecca]

Geez what ISP do you have, never had any issue like that.

[Shaid]

Lol

Just learn how to use it...

Set outgoing bandwidth down low....stop sharing item as soon as it is done....close the client when you're finished..

You really shouldn't even need a VPN if you're careful

What generally happens is the publisher has people log into the torrent and record all the IPs to send off complaints to the ISP. Even low settings can still get you on that list but in general, you're right. Limit the number of connections you allow outgoing, stop the torrent once it's complete, and you have a much smaller chance of being caught. If you sit out there and feed all day, that's when they'll come after you. You are then providing it rather than just taking it. They definitely prefer taking big seeders down if they can.

[lewdog]

He's downloading a lot of porn.

See if he has anything good and let us know.

[BryanBusby]

Buy him a usenet subscription for his horse porn downloading

[Fish]

This is always how it starts. A few torrents here and there, next thing you know he's signed up to multiple newsgroups using IRC and writing python script like some kind of Somalian pirate.

Sorry for loss. Prayers sent.

[cooper barrett]

Most isp don't care what you download, unless you're doing huge volumes

It's the uploads that will give you a problem....sharing files, leaving the torrent client on and sharing stuff.....

Just don't share stuff ...move the file as soon as it's downloaded...

is 2TBs a month considered high?:D:D:D:D:D

[Stormageddon]

Set him up with a VPN. I recommend ProtonVPN. Problem solved.

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[Hammock Parties]

Oh and if he is torrenting, it's not his "1st time"


The first thing I pirated was a vinyl Temple of Doom soundtrack record from the public library in Monett, MO.

I just nestled my tape recorder up to the turntable and ripped that shit right off.

Incredible high.

I almost OD'd on Kazaa a few years later.

[Jerok]

Your ISP emailed your 34 times? Dang. I've used bittorrent, kazoo, napster, utorrent, piratebay, I mean, no I haven't...

But I've never been contacted by anybody. I do use a VPN now though.

[hometeam]

Switch ISP

[|Zach|]

This is always how it starts. A few torrents here and there, next thing you know he's signed up to multiple newsgroups using IRC and writing python script like some kind of Somalian pirate.

Sorry for loss. Prayers sent.

This post made me laugh.

[Dartgod]

I don't know anything about downloading stuff.

What is legal and what is not legal?

Paging Dane!

[Fish]

I don't know anything about downloading stuff.

What is legal and what is not legal?

Downloading stuff is legal enough. Nobody has ever been prosecuted for simply downloading something like movies or TV. It's the uploading that you really have to worry about. Bit Torrent clients are configured by default to automatically upload the content you're downloading as soon as it's available. Legal information property entities can only really make a stink when you're uploading content to lots of other people. You can configure your kid's torrent client to only download and never upload, like a good parent would. If you did that, you wouldn't receive any more notices. Sometimes sites monitor that kind of thing and won't let you download unless you also upload. But most are not like that. If it would help, I'd be glad to take down your kid's email and send him some tips on how to be safe. I'll have him safely pirating in no time, with no risk to you. Because we're all Chiefs fans here...

[Easy 6]

Sorry to hear about the meth use, its a scourge across the nation

[TribalElder]

Order more porn movies

[cooper barrett]

The RIAA sued more than 18,000 people for illegally sharing music in the mid-2000s. You don't have to worry, they don't do that stuff anymore.

Jail time (for criminal charges). Jail is pretty rare, but the U.S. copyright law allows you to be jailed for up to 10 years depending on the offense.[3]
Criminal fines. U.S. copyright law also allows the government to fine you up to $250,000. You might have to pay fees in the place of jail time or in addition to jail time.[4]
Statutory damages. If you are sued in a civil lawsuit, you may have to pay $750-30,000 per illegal download. If you violated the law “willfully,” then you may have to pay up to $150,000 per download. However, if you can prove that you had no idea you were illegally downloading copyrighted material, you can get the amount reduced to $200 per download.
Actual damages. The copyright holder might instead seek “actual damages.” This is the amount of money your illegal download actually cost the copyright holder, as well as your profits for illegally downloading and distributing the work.[5] Typically, actual damages are hard to prove, so most people sue for statutory damages. However, the law allows them to seek actual damages if they can prove them.

[TimBone]

Dane's probably gonna kick your kid's ass.

[Demonpenz]

I got busted for downloading hbo stuff. I think hbo had it out there to bust people.with or something. Get him vpn. It's illegal but he aint going tonrestrain himself

[Imon Yourside]

Use NNTP it's much safer and you don't have to upload to anyone. :D

[eDave]

I've been popped for this before. Just delete the file (or tell them you did) and all is cool.

In my case, the suspended my account. Cox.

[wazu]

What ISP did this? I'd be switching immediately.

[jspchief]

Lot of partial answers or jokes. Here's my take:

First you have to decide how you feel about pirating music. If you don't want it happening, then leverage those emails into setting that policy. If you don't care, then he needs to get smarter about it, which means using a VPN. Free VPN services are sketchy as hell, so you better look at paid ones. I'm no tech expert so I'm not going to get into the nuts and bolts. The main point is he needs to get smarter about it. Odds are nothing will happen, but I do know that it's possible to get sued.

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[MTG#10]

The first thing I pirated was a vinyl Temple of Doom soundtrack record from the public library in Monett, MO.

I just nestled my tape recorder up to the turntable and ripped that shit right off.

Incredible high.

I almost OD'd on Kazaa a few years later.
You're from Monexico? That whole damn town smells awful.

[Lex Luthor]

Most isp don't care what you download, unless you're doing huge volumes

It's the uploads that will give you a problem....sharing files, leaving the torrent client on and sharing stuff.....

Just don't share stuff ...move the file as soon as it's downloaded...
That's not true. The ISPs simply respond to complaints filed by people hired by the MPAA and other similar organizations. Do they go harder after the people who are sharing ginormous amounts of files? Yes. Do they send emails to people who don't allow uploads at all? Yes. If you download a very popular recent movie and you don't use a VPN, you are the exception if your ISP doesn't receive a complaint about it and send you an email.

Lol

Just learn how to use it...

Set outgoing bandwidth down low....stop sharing item as soon as it is done....close the client when you're finished..

You really shouldn't even need a VPN if you're careful

That is horrible advice. :shake:

You obviously know your way around the bit torrent environment, but the poster doesn't, and apparently the poster's son is a n00b at it. If he is going to uses bit torrents, a VPN is the only way to go.

Set him up with a VPN. I recommend ProtonVPN. Problem solved.

That is very good advice.

I use IPVanish. It's not free ($9.99 per month), but it works perfectly. I received several emails from my ISP a few years ago when I first started downloading with bit torrents. I've been using IPVanish ever since. I've never received an email about this since I started using the VPN.

The poster should check out this link:

https://www.bestvpn.com/free-vpns/

[Lex Luthor]

Geez what ISP do you have, never had any issue like that.

Over the years I have received those types of emails from Time Warner (now Spectrum) and Google Fiber.

[Ming the Merciless]

LOL

you dont need a VPN if youre casually bit torrenting a few things (even a few new movies a week) , as long as you delete them immediately when your download is done, and youre not seeding...

you have no room to speak of 'terrible advice'

if you dont know how not to seed , or cant learn how in 5 minutes...you should not be bit torrenting or using a vpn

come on man...shut your mouth about horrible advice before you splurt out diarrhea just to sound cool

just limit outgoing connections to 1 or 2, lower outgoing bandwidth to almost zero, and remove any completed file...as soon as file is complete , do not seed

you dont need a VPN, now THAT is horrible advice..LOL buy your son a VPN...how many kids you got bro?
Your solution to breaking the law on that kind of scale isnt to cut back a little or stop doing illegal shit? Its "buy your son a VPN and let him go to town"?

come on man... THATs not horrible advice?

just try using your client properly for a week or two and you will get no more letters

[Ming the Merciless]

That's not true. The ISPs simply respond to complaints filed by people hired by the MPAA and other similar organizations. Do they go harder after the people who are sharing ginormous amounts of files? Yes. Do they send emails to people who don't allow uploads at all? Yes. If you download a very popular recent movie and you don't use a VPN, you are the exception if your ISP doesn't receive a complaint about it and send you an email.


I guess me and everyone I know are all the exceptions and have been for 10+ years

[Ming the Merciless]

Now I use VPN and make sure I leave any Disney stuff up exceptionally longer than I let other things run.

ROFL

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Ive heard that about Disney and HBO...and I have heard HBO is worse even...

But I download a TON of DIsney and HBO and have never had an issue, I just dont leave anything up, ever.

edit: Ive also heard porn companies are pretty bad...but I do not d/l porn so shrug

[cooper barrett]

Use NNTP it's much safer and you don't have to upload to anyone. :D

I will suggest my friend checks that out:D:D:D:D:D:D

[cooper barrett]

I've been popped for this before. Just delete the file (or tell them you did) and all is cool.

In my case, the suspended my account. Cox.

They probably read your political post and cut you off for the greater good.:D:D:D:D

[cooper barrett]

The first thing I pirated was a vinyl Temple of Doom soundtrack record from the public library in Monett, MO.

I just nestled my tape recorder up to the turntable and ripped that shit right off.

Incredible high.

I almost OD'd on Kazaa a few years later.

You're from Monexico? That whole damn town smells awful.

Smells better now as Hamster's dirty Panties moved. I used to take a route south through there, but question Moneximo?

[suzzer99]

Good news is he's like one click away from snuff porn.

I'm assuming anyway. When I used to download songs on emule every now and then I would see a video pop up from one of my search terms. Oh what's this? Kiddie porn. Awesome! Should I just turn myself in now or wait for the feds to find me?

[KCrockaholic]

I used to download shitloads of movies to my PS3 using some megaupload, and other torrent sites. Never had a problem that I know of.

[thegame214]

See if he can download a Chiefs secondary while he's at it. Anything should help,

[cooper barrett]

See if he can download a Chiefs secondary while he's at it. Anything should help,

Would Sutton have the codac to play it?:D:D:D:D

[Lex Luthor]

LOL

you dont need a VPN if youre casually bit torrenting a few things (even a few new movies a week) , as long as you delete them immediately when your download is done, and youre not seeding...

you have no room to speak of 'terrible advice'

if you dont know how not to seed , or cant learn how in 5 minutes...you should not be bit torrenting or using a vpn

come on man...shut your mouth about horrible advice before you splurt out diarrhea just to sound cool

just limit outgoing connections to 1 or 2, lower outgoing bandwidth to almost zero, and remove any completed file...as soon as file is complete , do not seed

you dont need a VPN, now THAT is horrible advice..LOL buy your son a VPN...how many kids you got bro?
Your solution to breaking the law on that kind of scale isnt to cut back a little or stop doing illegal shit? Its "buy your son a VPN and let him go to town"?

come on man... THATs not horrible advice?

just try using your client properly for a week or two and you will get no more letters

Meh. I told Msmith that the safest way to download is with a VPN. That is unquestionably true.

[Lex Luthor]

He was downloading some TV shows. Our ISP sent 34 emails within one hour to warn about the illegal download. I showed the messages to him. He said that it was his first time so he would stop. But what of the consequence? Should I contact our ISP about this?

As you've seen in this thread, there are people who think a VPN is unnecessary. Ultimately it's up to you to decide which way to go. The following post on Reddit addresses the question of whether or not you should use a VPN:

https://www.reddit.com/r/torrents/comments/2k01ve/do_i_really_need_a_vpn/

Do I really need a vpn?

submitted 3 years ago by [deleted]

All I download is movies and tv shows throughout the week via pirate bay and utorrent. I haven't thought much about using a VPN or beefing up any security since I haven't ever received a notice from my isp (big C), so inform me, please, why I would honestly need a vpn...

Some of the top answers:

So, I was in your shoes. I had/have torrented or downloaded illegally since I was in the 8th grade (approx 15 years ago). I never once got a DMCA from any of the internet providers that I had.

That all changed this year when I cancelled my Directv subscription and decided to get the last couple of episodes of Games of Thrones off of torrents. I also grabbed Real Time with Bill Maher as I like that show as well. Big mistake doing so without a VPN.

You see, a good amount of the companies have given up on sending DMCA notices, but HBO has not. Within the span of the last two weeks of the Game of Thrones season, I was hit with 6 DMCA notices from various HBO programs, including Games and Real Time.

It also would seem that some porn companies are still sending out DMCAs as well. I didn't even realize I was getting DMCAs cause I log into my Comshit account just to pay the bill. I don't use their shitty email, but I checked it out of the blue and saw 7 or 8 of these notices in my Comcast inbox.

After I paid my bill, I came here and found this Private Internet Access discount link, used it, paid my 30 or so dollars for a year's subscription and haven't had a DMCA since.

As far as the torrent swarms are concerned, all of my traffic is coming out of the Netherlands whenever I download now.

So, this was kind of long winded, but here's the breakdown. Can you see yourself continuing to download without a VPN and have these scummy DMCA lawyers know that you are you and could possibly take you to court for damages? Or, would you rather pay 30 dollars for a year's worth of security and privacy and not have to worry about getting your internet shut off because you loaded up your torrenting program with 10 downloads before bed, wake up and they are all seeding and you are nailed with DMCAs?
This is just my story, which sounded similar to yours, so I decided to share. The choice you make is ultimately up to you, but I would highly recommend PIA.

edit: Once you get the VPN, make sure you google and grab the CheckMyTorrentIP.png torrent. It is basically just an empty file that will never stop "downloading", just keep it always in your torrent program. It's announce in your torrent program will tell you your current IP. You can check your IP with the VPN turned off in the announce for this file, turn on your little PIA green guy, pause and restart the .png and your should see your IP change to whatever region you have picked to have your traffic to come out of. It's a nice, quick, easy way to make sure your ass is covered before you load up a download sesh.

The 6 dollars you pay for a month for safety definitely outweighs the cost of you getting caught. There is not need for the risk if you can easily avert it. It's like finishing in a girl and knowing she's not on birth control. The condom would have saved you thousands.

Because you're playing roulette with 5 bullets chambered.


I had gotten away with it for years without a VPN until that one fateful day where a certain company didn't like a certain thing I downloaded so my certain cable provider shut off my internet until I got it resolved.

Use a VPN. I pay ~$6 a month for peace of mind, added benefits of security, and as a plus I can view Europe's Netflix lineup which is quite different if not better than America's.

I hate this question. Do you need a condom? No, but it keeps you out of trouble. Do you need a VPN? Same thing. If you're a daredevil and you like going in bare, then not having a VPN shouldn't bother you. You're just at a higher risk.

Basically the whole condom analogy is exactly why you should use a VPN, although be warned not all VPN companies are created equally. You have to make sure the service you pay for does no log information which keeps them from being able to rat you out. Cryptostorm for example does not log. Happy hunting!

The guy who made the comment below has obviously interacted with Pawnmower (or someone just like him).

I've seen tough guys like you online before. Fearless, unafraid of the copyright police. But when they get caught, they become quivering weasels. They end up having to be fugitives, on the run for the rest of their lives, looking over their shoulders, waiting for the tap on the back and the prison life. Why not just pay $40 for a year of VPN, and give yourself some protection? Forget about a reason why you should, and come up with a reason why you shouldn't, when it's safer and cheap. No brainer there.

[MTG#10]

Smells better now as Hamster's dirty Panties moved. I used to take a route south through there, but question Moneximo?

Its just a nickname for Monett, the Mexican population is extremely/unusually high for a small midwestern town.

[stumppy]

Its just a nickname for Monett, the Mexican population is extremely/unusually high for a small midwestern town.

I hadn't heard 'Monexico' before but it's an accurate description from what I've heard.

[patteeu]

LOL

you dont need a VPN if youre casually bit torrenting a few things (even a few new movies a week) , as long as you delete them immediately when your download is done, and youre not seeding...

you have no room to speak of 'terrible advice'

if you dont know how not to seed , or cant learn how in 5 minutes...you should not be bit torrenting or using a vpn

come on man...shut your mouth about horrible advice before you splurt out diarrhea just to sound cool

just limit outgoing connections to 1 or 2, lower outgoing bandwidth to almost zero, and remove any completed file...as soon as file is complete , do not seed

you dont need a VPN, now THAT is horrible advice..LOL buy your son a VPN...how many kids you got bro?
Your solution to breaking the law on that kind of scale isnt to cut back a little or stop doing illegal shit? Its "buy your son a VPN and let him go to town"?

come on man... THATs not horrible advice?

just try using your client properly for a week or two and you will get no more letters

You are serving while you're in the middle of your download. Your advice is good for minimizing risk, but it doesn't eliminate it to the extent that a VPN does.

[patteeu]

Good news is he's like one click away from snuff porn.

I'm assuming anyway. When I used to download songs on emule every now and then I would see a video pop up from one of my search terms. Oh what's this? Kiddie porn. Awesome! Should I just turn myself in now or wait for the feds to find me?

What search terms were you using, you sick fuck?



j/k I don't want to know about the terms, you sick fuck.



j/k About the sick fuck part.

[Fish]

VPNs are for noobs. You're wasting your bandwidth by porting it who knows where through that VPN pipe. Newsgroups and torrent aggregators are where it's at. Take advantage of that download speed you're paying for, and don't limit it to the VPN throughput.

[MTG#10]

I hadn't heard 'Monexico' before but it's an accurate description from what I've heard.

Pretty much the entire town is factories, guessing that's why...probably shipping them in for cheap labor. That's also why it stinks so bad. (the factories, not the Mexicans) :D

[Lex Luthor]

You are serving while you're in the middle of your download. Your advice is good for minimizing risk, but it doesn't eliminate it to the extent that a VPN does.

Before Pawnmower unleashes another diatribe intended to show us how much smarter he is than anyone else, I'll just quickly mention that the utorrent client gives you the option of setting the number of concurrent uploads to zero, so it is possible to prevent that. However, the rest of your statement is 100% true.

Anyone who is just fine with picking up crack whores and screwing them without a condom would also be just fine with downloading without a VPN.

[MTG#10]

VPNs are for noobs. You're wasting your bandwidth by porting it who knows where through that VPN pipe. Newsgroups and torrent aggregators are where it's at. Take advantage of that download speed you're paying for, and don't limit it to the VPN throughput.

Up until a couple years ago I'd agree 100%. But Usenet providers are pulling stuff so fast now due to DMCA requests that its getting more difficult than its worth...especially HBO stuff. I still use it, but I save my blocks for hard to find stuff that I cant find on bittorrent.

[Lex Luthor]

VPNs are for noobs. You're wasting your bandwidth by porting it who knows where through that VPN pipe.

I respectfully disagree. The bandwidth I get with my VPN pipe (usually around 50-60 Mbps) is acceptable to me for my purposes.

Newsgroups and torrent aggregators are where it's at. Take advantage of that download speed you're paying for, and don't limit it to the VPN throughput.

That may very well be. But it's hard to beat the simplicity and the safety of installing the utorrent client and just going to Pirate Bay for everything.

[Fish]

I respectfully disagree. The bandwidth I get with my VPN pipe (usually around 50-60 Mbps) is acceptable to me for my purposes.



That may very well be. But it's hard to beat the simplicity and the safety of installing the utorrent client and just going to Pirate Bay for everything.

The very nature of how VPNs work make them incredibly inefficient. You become completely dependent on VPN server bandwidth, its current load, routing, etc. I've used many VPNs, in addition to configuring VPN services for our work infrastructure. It's effective, but it introduces all kinds of drawbacks. I greatly prefer newgroups or even better, torrent aggregators. There's essentially no worry about any DMCA notices. You're using all available bandwidth for downloading. You don't have to bother with a torrent client and the seeding of others. My torrent aggregator sources from pirate bay and many others, so if it's available on any of the torrent sites it's available to me without ever going to those sites. I go to one website, perform a search for what I want, and download it worry free. No additional client, no VPN connection to establish and remember to turn off once I'm finished. The site does all the dirty work. If the content is something like movies or TV, I can even stream it directly from the site. It has the ability to take something like a collection of RAR files for a TV season, and make that streamable on the fly directly from the website. I search for content, and have the ability to directly stream or download. They even provide an API so I could use some Python and have a couchpotato type setup. There's already an existing KODI addon for the one I use, so I can add the addon and stream everything that way without ever having to do anything other than browsing the addon. I pay a small monthly fee, but it's so worth it I wouldn't bat an eye at paying double what I'm currently paying for it.

[Lex Luthor]

The very nature of how VPNs work make them incredibly inefficient. You become completely dependent on VPN server bandwidth, its current load, routing, etc. I've used many VPNs, in addition to configuring VPN services for our work infrastructure. It's effective, but it introduces all kinds of drawbacks. I greatly prefer newgroups or even better, torrent aggregators. There's essentially no worry about any DMCA notices. You're using all available bandwidth for downloading. You don't have to bother with a torrent client and the seeding of others. My torrent aggregator sources from pirate bay and many others, so if it's available on any of the torrent sites it's available to me without ever going to those sites. I go to one website, perform a search for what I want, and download it worry free. No additional client, no VPN connection to establish and remember to turn off once I'm finished. The site does all the dirty work. If the content is something like movies or TV, I can even stream it directly from the site. It has the ability to take something like a collection of RAR files for a TV season, and make that streamable on the fly directly from the website. I search for content, and have the ability to directly stream or download. They even provide an API so I could use some Python and have a couchpotato type setup. There's already an existing KODI addon for the one I use, so I can add the addon and stream everything that way without ever having to do anything other than browsing the addon. I pay a small monthly fee, but it's so worth it I wouldn't bat an eye at paying double what I'm currently paying for it.
You make a pretty good case for torrent aggregators. I will confess that I have never used one and I'm not really that familiar with them.

Which one do you use? I may have to check it out.

[Fish]

You make a pretty good case for torrent aggregators. I will confess that I have never used one and I'm not really that familiar with them.

Which one do you use? I may have to check it out.

furk.net

Here's some invite codes if you'd like to try it:

FPSDQVOM0
4QHMIFIV3
DTE33ABO6
JFE6SW615
K8PBMCZEN

[thegame214]

If some of you put the same effort in downloading illegal shit as you put into your jobs you could probably just pay the $15 a month for HBO you cheap f*cks. Relax I'm kidding lol

[cooper barrett]

I'd like to know more, for a friend.

Is this a software you install? if so, is it portable?

The very nature of how VPNs work make them incredibly inefficient. You become completely dependent on VPN server bandwidth, its current load, routing, etc. I've used many VPNs, in addition to configuring VPN services for our work infrastructure. It's effective, but it introduces all kinds of drawbacks. I greatly prefer newgroups or even better, torrent aggregators. There's essentially no worry about any DMCA notices. You're using all available bandwidth for downloading. You don't have to bother with a torrent client and the seeding of others. My torrent aggregator sources from pirate bay and many others, so if it's available on any of the torrent sites it's available to me without ever going to those sites. I go to one website, perform a search for what I want, and download it worry free. No additional client, no VPN connection to establish and remember to turn off once I'm finished. The site does all the dirty work. If the content is something like movies or TV, I can even stream it directly from the site. It has the ability to take something like a collection of RAR files for a TV season, and make that streamable on the fly directly from the website. I search for content, and have the ability to directly stream or download. They even provide an API so I could use some Python and have a couchpotato type setup. There's already an existing KODI addon for the one I use, so I can add the addon and stream everything that way without ever having to do anything other than browsing the addon. I pay a small monthly fee, but it's so worth it I wouldn't bat an eye at paying double what I'm currently paying for it.

[Fish]

I'd like to know more, for a friend.

Is this a software you install? if so, is it portable?

No, it's a website. Which makes it available from anywhere on any device.
There are Chrome extensions (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/furk-it/oilkncngmciajbkgkooppjgpcmdggkbj), KODI addons, etc. so you can access all the media in many different ways. Here's a detailed description of what it does:

Furk: Direct Download BitTorrent Proxy On Steroids
BY ENIGMAX ON JUNE 15, 2009 C: 136

Furk is not your regular torrent site. Not only does it function as a meta-search engine, but you can also download 'torrents' via Furk's servers using HTTP. And it doesn't stop there. Furk holds these downloads in a searchable database that anyone can use, turning the site into a kind of mashup between BitTorrent and Rapidshare.

FurkIn the regular BitTorrent downloading scenario we would go to a torrent site such as The Pirate Bay or Mininova, select a torrent and download it. Once that torrent starts running in our client, connections are made to other people using the same technique and the content is downloaded and shared with and via those ‘peers’.

This type of file-sharing is very effective – indeed, it’s what BitTorrent is all about. However, there are those who would prefer to stop or hinder such P2P traffic – certain ISPs take measures to identify BitTorrent protocol traffic and slow it down with a process known as ‘throttling’.

While Furk.net can simply be used as a torrent meta-search engine to trawl other sites for .torrent files, to combat throttling (and privacy concerns) Furk bills part of its service as a ‘BitTorrent Proxy’. This means that instead of searching for a torrent file and downloading in the usual manner via the BitTorrent protocol, instead Furk itself joins the swarm in question and downloads the material directly to their own servers.

Once completed, users can simply download that material directly from Furk’s super-fast network using the HTTP protocol in their regular web browser. Identical to standard web traffic, HTTP generally isn’t throttled by ISPs, allowing the user to download more quickly than with throttled BitTorrent. In the less likely event that an ISP tries to slow down HTTP, downloads can be made from Furk using HTTPs.

“By default all links are HTTPs,” Furk admin told TorrentFreak. “It helps to avoid content filtering systems and increase the level of anonymity. Also for every link the user can choose an alternative link with a non-standard port.” This element of the service is only available to premium users at a few euros per month but free users can still have fun with Furk.

It’s also possible to upload your own files and videos to the service, but Furk has another much more interesting trick up its sleeve – and it’s available to non-premium users. Instead of just keeping the content on their servers for material requested by you, Furk keeps the content requested by everyone. This means that Furk has a growing database of material culled from torrent sites, but offered via direct and immediate HTTP download. A search for ‘aXXo’ shows hundreds of releases, mostly available for direct download. Think of it like Rapidshare, but with a BitTorrent backend.

“Speed for premium users is unlimited. All of the servers are on a 1Gps network and we have plenty of unused bandwidth,” Furk admin told TorrentFreak. “Free downloads are currently limited only by restricting the number of download sessions, so download managers can be used only with premium accounts.”

However, even with no premium account, some impressive speeds can be achieved. We managed decent transfers from The Netherlands, Russia and the US, before finally maxing out a 20mbit Hungarian connection. It remains to be seen if these speeds can be maintained once the masses start hitting the service – probably not, since there needs to be something to draw users to the premium service, but time will tell.

[Shaid]

Interesting Fish. Can you set it up directly on your router so you don't have to mess with setting it up on multiple devices?

[MTG#10]

furk.net

Here's some invite codes if you'd like to try it:

FPSDQVOM0
4QHMIFIV3
DTE33ABO6
JFE6SW615
K8PBMCZEN

"Bandwidth limit: up to 250GB per month"

And it looks like you have to buy the lifetime subscription just to get that.

Deal killer for me.

[Shaid]

"Bandwidth limit: up to 250GB per month"

And it looks like you have to buy the lifetime subscription just to get that.

Deal killer for me.

That answers the router question.

[Fish]

Interesting Fish. Can you set it up directly on your router so you don't have to mess with setting it up on multiple devices?

There's nothing to set up. You would simply access the furk website from whatever device you needed to. If you want to download something(movies/TV/apps/books/etc), open a web browser, type in furk.net, log in, search for your something, and download it. If you're wanting to just stream a movie or TV, search for that and click stream instead of download. If you use KODI, install the What the Furk addon, launch the addon and browse movies/TV. Zero buffering. Their bandwidth is incredible. If the media you want isn't already hosted on Furk's servers, it will aggregate torrent sites, and then copy it from that torrent site to Furk's servers where you can download it quickly and safely. You can also upload your own content and access it in the same manner.

[Fish]

"Bandwidth limit: up to 250GB per month"

And it looks like you have to buy the lifetime subscription just to get that.

Deal killer for me.

I've only hit my limit once. You can get extra bandwidth easily enough. Extra 100GB for $13. Extra 300GB for $35.

[Lex Luthor]

If some of you put the same effort in downloading illegal shit as you put into your jobs you could probably just pay the $15 a month for HBO you cheap ****s. Relax I'm kidding lol

I have HBO and Showtime through my cable provider, so I'm already paying for access to HBO Go and Showtime Anytime. I also have a Netflex subscription, so I think I'm doing enough to support the pay services.

There is some content that's not available to me unless I download it. For example, the newest Stephen King mini-series, Mr Mercedes, is only available if you have AT&T U-Verse or Direct TV. I'm not really interested in changing cable providers just to watch one show, so I download it. I'm also not interested in paying a monthly fee to CBS just to watch Star Trek Discovery, so I download it.

I suspect AT&T and CBS would see it differently, so I use a VPN.

[jjjayb]

Notice and Takedown
• It is expected that all users of any part of the Furk.net system will comply with applicable copyright laws. However, if Furk.net receives proper notification of claimed copyright infringement it will respond expeditiously by removing, or disabling access to, the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity. Furk.net will comply with the appropriate provisions of the DMCA in the event a proper counter notification is received.

Repeat Infringers
• Furk.net may, in its discretion, use all appropriate means to terminate user access to its system or network who are repeat infringers.


How would this be any different than your ISP terminating you?

[patteeu]

How would this be any different than your ISP terminating you?

One thing that comes to mind is that your other internet activities wouldn't be at risk of unexpected interruption.

[cooper barrett]

Mr Mercedes was worth it

I have HBO and Showtime through my cable provider, so I'm already paying for access to HBO Go and Showtime Anytime. I also have a Netflex subscription, so I think I'm doing enough to support the pay services.

There is some content that's not available to me unless I download it. For example, the newest Stephen King mini-series, Mr Mercedes, is only available if you have AT&T U-Verse or Direct TV. I'm not really interested in changing cable providers just to watch one show, so I download it. I'm also not interested in paying a monthly fee to CBS just to watch Star Trek Discovery, so I download it.

I suspect AT&T and CBS would see it differently, so I use a VPN.

[cooper barrett]

I've only hit my limit once. You can get extra bandwidth easily enough. Extra 100GB for $13. Extra 300GB for $35.

Do you use, have you used, download managers? Which have/ do you use?

I also do not see how to search for a tv show or movie. I do see where I can input a URL info-hash, or magnet link

[Ming the Merciless]

a 3 year old reddit thread to "prove" buying a VPN for your son is a smart decision ...instead of eductating him on how to use p2p properly

LOL

idiot

again, you rush to provlaim my advice as "horrible" and then proceed to shit yourself

how many kids you got?

[Ming the Merciless]

Been using usenet since the 90's, thats pretty good advice there

[Ming the Merciless]

If some of you put the same effort in downloading illegal shit as you put into your jobs you could probably just pay the $15 a month for HBO you cheap ****s. Relax I'm kidding lol

this is 100000x better advice than "buy your son who doenst know how to use a p2p client properly a VPN"

[Ming the Merciless]

Before Pawnmower unleashes another diatribe

look back at your interaction with me, you god damn retard

you were the one who ran off at the mouth 1st with 'horribe advice' just because you wanted to talk some other moron into getting a vpn because you did.

then u tell someone to buy a vpn for their child for illegal downloading LOL

**** off

I reacted to you the same as you did to me, prior to you being a complete douche there was no 'diatribe', if you dont like it maybe you shouldnt run your mouth

[Lex Luthor]

Mr Mercedes was worth it

Yes it was.

I watched the entire series before I realized that the star was the same actor who played Mad Eye Moody in the Harry Potter movies.

[Ming the Merciless]

"Bandwidth limit: up to 250GB per month"

..

Deal killer for me.

if 250 GB per month of tranny / midget porn isnt enough, perhaps you have a problem?

thats about 7 or 8 full length movies a day for the month..

[thegame214]

I have HBO and Showtime through my cable provider, so I'm already paying for access to HBO Go and Showtime Anytime. I also have a Netflex subscription, so I think I'm doing enough to support the pay services.

There is some content that's not available to me unless I download it. For example, the newest Stephen King mini-series, Mr Mercedes, is only available if you have AT&T U-Verse or Direct TV. I'm not really interested in changing cable providers just to watch one show, so I download it. I'm also not interested in paying a monthly fee to CBS just to watch Star Trek Discovery, so I download it.

I suspect AT&T and CBS would see it differently, so I use a VPN.

Totally understand I was just trolling :) no need to explain brother

[lewdog]

Nothing like a good old computer nerd internet fight.

[Ming the Merciless]

Nothing like a good old computer nerd internet fight.

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[MTG#10]

if 250 GB per month of tranny / midget porn isnt enough, perhaps you have a problem?

thats about 7 or 8 full length movies a day for the month..

I download more than just movies, and every movie/show I download is full 1080p. Plus PC games are coming in now at 50gb+ per game. I could go through 250gb in a couple weeks. Not saying its a bad thing, but for me it wouldn't be feasible. I'll stick to usenet and public torrent trackers/VPN.

I for one dont stream any movies or shows, I like to keep shows and movies on my plethora of TB hard drives.

[Ming the Merciless]

I could go through 250gb in a couple weeks.

DAAAAAAAMN

thats a lot of strokin

https://i.imgur.com/k7UuCWG.gif

[BryanBusby]

Uh just a lot of Linux isos

Yeah, that's the ticket

[Ming the Merciless]

By the way if youre a big reddit fan, and a utorrent user , and recommending utorrent to people you may want to check this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/torrents/comments/2y48op/warning_newest_utorrent_silently_installs_bitcoin/

there might be better client options....

[Fish]

How would this be any different than your ISP terminating you?

It's different because of how the process works. With torrents, it's very easy to match IP addresses with the content being actively uploaded. Both the IP and the content are easily identifiable to anybody who wishes to monitor it. With https downloads, the format that furk serves, that's not possible. It's simply viewed as normal http content transfer which isn't distinguishable from loading normal website data, and when done securely, your ISP or any DMCA watchdog entities aren't going to be able to see your IP or what you're downloading. The most they see is general https data transfer, which they can't do anything with. I've been a member of Furk for a decade, and turned many friends onto it, and that kind of thing just doesn't happen. It's the entire reason why Furk is so popular.

[Fish]

Do you use, have you used, download managers? Which have/ do you use?

I also do not see how to search for a tv show or movie. I do see where I can input a URL info-hash, or magnet link

No, don't use a download manager. That's totally unnecessary and most are really shady.

[cooper barrett]

if 250 GB per month of tranny / midget porn isnt enough, perhaps you have a problem?

thats about 7 or 8 full length movies a day for the month..

Well, aren't you the techie when it comes to tranny/midget porn.:D:D:D:D:D

[cooper barrett]

No, don't use a download manager. That's totally unnecessary and most are really shady.

You said it could search, how does that work without finding the url or magnet id first?

[Imon Yourside]

I download more than just movies, and every movie/show I download is full 1080p. Plus PC games are coming in now at 50gb+ per game. I could go through 250gb in a couple weeks. Not saying its a bad thing, but for me it wouldn't be feasible. I'll stick to usenet and public torrent trackers/VPN.

I for one dont stream any movies or shows, I like to keep shows and movies on my plethora of TB hard drives.

Ya they need to increase the BDR disc sizes at a decent price, I feel like i'm putting stuff back on floppies.

[saphojunkie]

Tell your son that some of us pay our bills based off the residuals for our creative output, and people who pirate are literally stealing. Because they aren't talented enough to do what I do.

You're just a thief, same as any piece of human shit that robs a liquor store. There is literally no difference.

[Fish]

Tell your son that some of us pay our bills based off the residuals for our creative output, and people who pirate are literally stealing. Because they aren't talented enough to do what I do.

You're just a thief, same as any piece of human shit that robs a liquor store. There is literally no difference.

Nobody wants your mix tape, Jerron.

[ReynardMuldrake]

VPN is helpful, but not necessary. Always use a PRIVATE TRACKER. If you can download a torrent without logging in to a website, you have to assume your IP is going to be visible to the general public.

[tatorhog]

decent VPNs cost maybe $20/year. And you can have multiple connections.

[patteeu]

Tell your son that some of us pay our bills based off the residuals for our creative output, and people who pirate are literally stealing. Because they aren't talented enough to do what I do.

You'll be a better artist if you're starving. You can thank the downloaders later.

You're just a thief, same as any piece of human shit that robs a liquor store. There is literally no difference.

There is a difference. A thief who robs a liquor store, deprives someone of an actual thing. IP pirates don't take something, they copy it.

[Lex Luthor]

Tell your son that some of us pay our bills based off the residuals for our creative output, and people who pirate are literally stealing. Because they aren't talented enough to do what I do.

You're just a thief, same as any piece of human shit that robs a liquor store. There is literally no difference.

"There is literally no difference"? Really?

You see no difference between robbing a liquor store (presumably at gunpoint) and downloading something off of the Internet?

Tell you what, Sparky: Post a link to ANYTHING you've ever created that anyone has ever bothered to pirate. I'll download it. If I like it, I'll send you a check.

[patteeu]

"There is literally no difference"? Really?

You see no difference between robbing a liquor store (presumably at gunpoint) and downloading something off of the Internet?

Tell you what, Sparky: Post a link to ANYTHING you've ever created that anyone has ever bothered to pirate. I'll download it. If I like it, I'll send you a check.

LMAO

[Ming the Merciless]

"There is literally no difference"? Really?

You see no difference between robbing a liquor store (presumably at gunpoint) and downloading something off of the Internet?

Tell you what, Sparky: Post a link to ANYTHING you've ever created that anyone has ever bothered to pirate. I'll download it. If I like it, I'll send you a check.

the gun adds charges dipshit....

how about not creating a straw man? I mean unless you need a gun to use utorrent...dumbass

explain to us the difference between stealing cash out of someone's car, and stealing their music/work and not paying for it...

"buy your son a VPN and teach him to steal" is great advice....but "teach him how to properly use torrents legally/safely before getting a vpn, as you probably dont need one" is "horrible advice"

/Lex Loser

[Ming the Merciless]

Well, aren't you the techie when it comes to tranny/midget porn.:D:D:D:D:D

dude that was planted

the mods faked that image

[patteeu]

the gun adds charges dipshit....

how about not creating a straw man? I mean unless you need a gun to use utorrent...dumbass

explain to us the difference between stealing cash out of someone's car, and stealing their music/work and not paying for it...

"buy your son a VPN and teach him to steal" is great advice....but "teach him how to properly use torrents legally/safely before getting a vpn, as you probably dont need one" is "horrible advice"

/Lex Loser

I explained one significant difference already. If you think they're the same, explain to me why transgressors can't be prosecuted under the same statutes.

[Ming the Merciless]

I explained one significant difference already. If you think they're the same, explain to me why transgressors can't be prosecuted under the same statutes.

I agree they arent legally/criminally the same thats not the point i am making

if that is the tecnicality /point youre making i agree...., but in all practically they are both stealing money off of someone's dinner table at the end of the day right?

[patteeu]

I agree they arent legally/criminally the same thats not the point i am making

if that is the tecnicality /point youre making i agree...., but in all practically they are both stealing money off of someone's dinner table at the end of the day right?

It's not just a technicality. It's a fundamental difference. If you look over your fence at your neighbor's custom built swing set and you use the idea and build your own identical copy, you didn't steal a swing set.

If you sneak over to his yard, dismantle his swing set, and then rebuild it in your yard, you did steal his swing set.

[patteeu]

It's fair to say that absent piracy, some artists would make more money. It's not fair to say that piracy hurts all artists and it's not fair to assume every download (or even most of them) would be a purchase if not for piracy.

[Lex Luthor]

the gun adds charges dipshit....

how about not creating a straw man? I mean unless you need a gun to use utorrent...dumbass

explain to us the difference between stealing cash out of someone's car, and stealing their music/work and not paying for it...

"buy your son a VPN and teach him to steal" is great advice....but "teach him how to properly use torrents legally/safely before getting a vpn, as you probably dont need one" is "horrible advice"

/Lex Loser
Damn dude, I'm sorry I offended you so much with that comment. I don't want to start a war over it.

I take it back. You advice was awesome. I am humbled by your greatness.

[Ming the Merciless]

It's fair to say that absent piracy, some artists would make more money. It's not fair to say that piracy hurts all artists and it's not fair to assume every download (or even most of them) would be a purchase if not for piracy.

I never said the things in bold. Piracy hurts some artists...it steals money from them. To me , there's not that much of a difference between stealing money over the internet and stealing it out of someone's wallet. Money is money....

I don't really care if it is technically not the same, in the real world it is just money that would be there that isn't...and it is taking something that doesn't belong to you.

If a thief comes into my yard and takes something that isn't worth any money (which they have)...its still stealing....even if they would've never bought it...

To sit there and claim its not theft because they never would've bought the item is stupid. Tell that to a store where some douche bag goes in and steals something they can't afford and wouldn't have bought anyway...even though the store has insurance and isn't financially harmed...IT IS STILL STEALING. It is still wrong......if we cant agree on that , (taking something that doesn't belong to you is wrong) then no point in further conversation really.

[Ming the Merciless]

I take it back. You advice was awesome. I am humbled by your greatness.

Yes, there's nothing in between "horrible advice" and "awesome advice that means you are super great, therefore i am humbled and you must think youre smarter than me"..

that's how morons like you think: black and white, overly simplistic, no grey area., no room for differing opinion.....etc..

thanks for further demonstrating what an imbecile you are

[patteeu]

I never said the things in bold. Piracy hurts some artists...it steals money from them. To me , there's not that much of a difference between stealing money over the internet and stealing it out of someone's wallet. Money is money....

I don't really care if it is technically not the same, in the real world it is just money that would be there that isn't...and it is taking something that doesn't belong to you.

If a thief comes into my yard and takes something that isn't worth any money (which they have)...its still stealing....even if they would've never bought it...

To sit there and claim its not theft because they never would've bought the item is stupid. Tell that to a store where some douche bag goes in and steals something they can't afford and wouldn't have bought anyway...even though the store has insurance and isn't financially harmed...IT IS STILL STEALING. It is still wrong......if we cant agree on that , (taking something that doesn't belong to you is wrong) then no point in further conversation really.

No, it's not the same as stealing. It's a different thing. It's not money that would be there that isn't. It's not sneaking into someone's yard and taking something.

It's illegal, but it's merely your opinion that it's wrong. It's certainly not wrong in the same way theft is wrong for reasons already mentioned.

[Ming the Merciless]

No, it's not the same as stealing. It's a different thing. It's not money that would be there that isn't. It's not sneaking into someone's yard and taking something.


its the stealing of the intellectual property....I'm not even talking about the money as I explained. They are stealing your art. The money aspect is secondary...yet still important. I think taking things that don't belong to you is wrong. Period. Even if there is no actual monetary damage....I know there are people out there who disagree....thats fine...its just my opinion.

The money is another issue because we will never know what percent of the people who steal music or movies would actually buy them legitimately. But even thought its not 100% (obviously) we probably can guess it is greater than zero, so as you said before it is hurting some artists, but not all. Just because it only hurts 'some' people doesnt make it OK or not wrong...its wrong. If you were an artist whose income relied on revenue from your hard work, you would think it was wrong also...I'm pretty sure.

[Ming the Merciless]

By the way, everyone has done things that are wrong...Speeding , driving after a drink or 2, not reporting taxes properly, downloading stuff illegally etc...I'm not here to enforce some crazy perfectionist viewpoint where it is expected no one do anything wrong...

I'm just stating a basic fact that taking things that don't belong to you is wrong.(even if it doesnt cause them any immediate financial loss)..to pretend that it isn't seems a little crazy to me

[patteeu]

its the stealing of the intellectual property....I'm not even talking about the money as I explained. They are stealing your art. The money aspect is secondary...yet still important. I think taking things that don't belong to you is wrong. Period. Even if there is no actual monetary damage....I know there are people out there who disagree....thats fine...its just my opinion.

The money is another issue because we will never know what percent of the people who steal music or movies would actually buy them legitimately. But even thought its not 100% (obviously) we probably can guess it is greater than zero, so as you said before it is hurting some artists, but not all. Just because it only hurts 'some' people doesnt make it OK or not wrong...its wrong. If you were an artist whose income relied on revenue from your hard work, you would think it was wrong also...I'm pretty sure.

I understand what you're saying. You're saying it's the same as stealing. I'm saying it's not. You're saying it's inherently wrong (as opposed to wrong simply because it's illegal). I'm saying it's not. We both agree that it's illegal.

[Ming the Merciless]

I understand what you're saying. You're saying it's the same as stealing. I'm saying it's not. You're saying it's inherently wrong (as opposed to wrong simply because it's illegal). I'm saying it's not. We both agree that it's illegal.

yeah that about sums it up, although the act is not the 'same' as stealing a physical item technically, as you are just stealing a digital item or image or video...but the wrongness is the same so saying its 'the same' as stealing is probably an oversimplification by me...but basically yes

[patteeu]

yeah that about sums it up, although the act is not the 'same' as stealing a physical item technically, as you are just stealing copying a digital item or image or video...but the wrongness is the same so saying its 'the same' as stealing is probably an oversimplification by me...but basically yes

No, the wrongness is not the same and it's not a mere technicality.

I thought you said we didn't have any more to talk about if we couldn't agree?

[MTG#10]

Its only stealing if you would have purchased it anyway. If you wouldn't have, the creator is suffering no monetary loss.

[vailpass]

Its only stealing if you would have purchased it anyway. If you wouldn't have, the creator is suffering no monetary loss.

Wut?

[Ming the Merciless]

Its only stealing if you would have purchased it anyway.

thats not true

thats what i disagree with...

for example...ive had lots of people take things from me they never would have purchased that are worthless....

rocks out of my front yard
garbage can that belongs to the garbage company
data...i have had account information stolen like equifax, target credit info...etc...they never made any money with it..but still 'stolen'

[Ming the Merciless]

I thought you said we didn't have any more to talk about if we couldn't agree?

good point., so if youre saying taking images, movies and art from artists without their consent is OK, and in your own words if harming "some" artists is ok, and not wrong, then yes I disagree and theres nothing to talk about

[MTG#10]

Wut?

A lot of people download movies and games to try them out first, then if they like them they purchase them.

Then other people download shit they never had any intentions of purchasing anyway.

In these cases the people creating the work that was downloaded suffer no financial loss of sale.

[Ming the Merciless]

A lot of people download movies and games to try them out first, then if they like them they purchase them.

Then other people download shit they never had any intentions of purchasing anyway.

In these cases the people creating the work that was downloaded suffer no financial loss of sale.

youre forgetting about a (not small) segment that downloads things that WOULD have bought them or download the item and never buys it, even though they like it

unless youre sitting here telling me 100% of the people that download movies, music, and video games and software......ALWAYS buy the item when they download it and use it / like it or would NEVER buy the item anyway if it wasnt so easy to steal

lets at least be honest here

the number of people who download stuff that wouldve bought it is not zero

[patteeu]

I thought you said we didn't have any more to talk about if we couldn't agree?

good point., so if youre saying taking images, movies and art from artists without their consent is OK, and in your own words if harming "some" artists is ok, and not wrong, then yes I disagree and theres nothing to talk about

But you just can't stop. :facepalm:

[MTG#10]

youre forgetting about a (not small) segment that downloads things that WOULD have bought them or download the item and never buys it, even though they like it

unless youre sitting here telling me 100% of the people that download movies, music, and video games and software......ALWAYS buy the item when they download it and use it / like it or would NEVER buy the item anyway if it wasnt so easy to steal

lets at least be honest here

the number of people who download stuff that wouldve bought it is not zero

I dont disagree with that. Artists for sure lose money, especially musicians. The days of getting rich off selling albums are all but gone. Most artists generate their revenue by touring these days. But you also have to acknowledge that illegal downloading has gained a lot of musicians fans that may have never given them a chance before had it not been so easy to obtain their music. Its a different time, some musicians fight it while some embrace it and make their fortunes other ways.

[Ming the Merciless]

Its a different time, some musicians fight it while some embrace it and make their fortunes other ways.

absolutely. ...agree with you on this part

and furthermore the record industry was WAYYYY to slow/late in adapting to the days of mp3 etc... they let napster and kazaa etc screw them when they couldve been the ones providing the content song-by-song

they cost themslves a ton of cash by resisting mp3 and trying to stop it rather than just letting people bu ya song for 99 cents like itunes finally did or whatever YEARS later..

I do agree with your main point, its a double edged sword , especially for music.

movies and tv shows, really...not so much though. You arent guaranteed to like a movie when you pay for one....and most people watch a movie or tv show once.....and they dont do tours.... so i think really the movie and tv industry is who is hurt most these days


just a guess though, i mainly use pandora / spotify for music...very very VERY rarely do i feel the need to buy something these days (music wise)

I do buy movies and tv shows though, mainly through amazon so I can watch them from any device, anywhere..and mainly for my kids

[cooper barrett]

Either way my answer will be: I was just using it, I was going to give it back.

the gun adds charges dipshit....

how about not creating a straw man? I mean unless you need a gun to use utorrent...dumbass

explain to us the difference between stealing cash out of someone's car, and stealing their music/work and not paying for it...

"buy your son a VPN and teach him to steal" is great advice....but "teach him how to properly use torrents legally/safely before getting a vpn, as you probably dont need one" is "horrible advice"

/Lex Loser

[cooper barrett]

the gun adds charges dipshit....



explain to us the difference between stealing cash out of someone's car, and stealing their music/work and not paying for it...
/Lex Loser

If you steal money out of someones "unlocked" car and try it out (for personal use) 'it is something that causes Someone is out of a tangible item, something they possessed. You cannot just delete it and have things go back to as they were before, and not have harmed anyone.

Downloading a song/ TV show to listen to/watch and later deleting it does not harm anyone. They can argue that it does but the chances of me buying said song/ program are next to nil in the first place so there is no actual loss.

I would have to say that a motion picture is another story as when you pay for them you never acquire any ownership. It is sold as a pay per view and therefore would be stealing.

I will sit back and let you throw eggs and tomatoes at me but: HBO's Real Time, network late night shows, Sunday Morning, and others are broadcast/ streamed on Youtube and other sites at no charge. According to others:D porn is able to be watched on line at no cost, yet you want to call it stealing if it's down loaded to watch when you are not on line?

[cooper barrett]

I agree they arent legally/criminally the same thats not the point i am making

if that is the tecnicality /point youre making i agree...., but in all practically they are both stealing money off of someone's dinner table at the end of the day right?

But you can listen to the same song free on line, on the radio at no cost?

Are you saying that possession of said artistic work, property is the same as theft? I would/ may have to agree with that. I don't have (much) copyrighted property on my puter that would be considered stolen other than pictures that are posted by others on sites just like this, ripped from my own sources, or copied from sites who don't own them either.

[cooper barrett]

It's not just a technicality. It's a fundamental difference. If you look over your fence at your neighbor's custom built swing set and you use the idea and build your own identical copy, you didn't steal a swing set.

If you sneak over to his yard, dismantle his swing set, and then rebuild it in your yard, you did steal his swing set.

What if the gate is unlocked and you just use it and leave it as it was? Sure it was not yours to use but was it stealing?

[patteeu]

What if the gate is unlocked and you just use it and leave it as it was? Sure it was not yours to use but was it stealing?

No, that's trespassing, unless you have permission to be on the property and then you're ok. :)

[cooper barrett]

thats not true

thats what i disagree with...

for example...ive had lots of people take things from me they never would have purchased that are worthless....

rocks out of my front yard
garbage can that belongs to the garbage company
data...i have had account information stolen like equifax, target credit info...etc...they never made any money with it..but still 'stolen'

If you credit info is already able to be viewed by me, on line, for free, why would it be stealing if I copied the information for later reading? Your trash can is not able to be copied, it is a tangible item.

If I were to hack Sony pictures servers and shared the data, I would be stealing, If I found the same data from Sony's servers posted on line and copied it, would that be stealing?

[cooper barrett]

youre forgetting about a (not small) segment that downloads things that WOULD have bought them or download the item and never buys it, even though they like it

unless youre sitting here telling me 100% of the people that download movies, music, and video games and software......ALWAYS buy the item when they download it and use it / like it or would NEVER buy the item anyway if it wasnt so easy to steal

lets at least be honest here

the number of people who download stuff that wouldve bought it is not zero

You mean 3 pages later that you realized that the kid could be stealing but he may not be? Do you realize that watching the NFL clips and GIFs here are stealing in your opinion but you watch then anyway.

[Ming the Merciless]

You mean 3 pages later that you realized that the kid could be stealing but he may not be? Do you realize that watching the NFL clips and GIFs here are stealing in your opinion but you watch then anyway.

A) you read this wrong..if you take something that doesn't belong to you, without permission....it's stealing....that's my position

B) yes I admit I watch them anyway , and it is stealing. I'm honest about it. I also speed, cheat a little on taxes...and look at chick's asses and titties even though I'm married

[cooper barrett]

TV sure has changed as once all TV was paid for by advertising or sponsorships (advertising). The people who made tv shows got paid on the number of people they estimated their program was viewed by. We brought out VCRs to record and watch at our own convenience and TV didn't care as they were no getting more people watching their commercials.

Then paid / subscription TV began and a battle of recording and sharing of content began and has been going on ever since...

If I want to watch Vice News I go tohttps://www.youtube.com/user/vicenews/videos and watch the stories I want to see. If I download to watch off line then you say I am stealing from HBO and Bill Maher???


absolutely. ...agree with you on this part

and furthermore the record industry was WAYYYY to slow/late in adapting to the days of mp3 etc... they let napster and kazaa etc screw them when they couldve been the ones providing the content song-by-song

they cost themslves a ton of cash by resisting mp3 and trying to stop it rather than just letting people bu ya song for 99 cents like itunes finally did or whatever YEARS later..

I do agree with your main point, its a double edged sword , especially for music.

movies and tv shows, really...not so much though. You arent guaranteed to like a movie when you pay for one....and most people watch a movie or tv show once.....and they dont do tours.... so i think really the movie and tv industry is who is hurt most these days


just a guess though, i mainly use pandora / spotify for music...very very VERY rarely do i feel the need to buy something these days (music wise)

I do buy movies and tv shows though, mainly through amazon so I can watch them from any device, anywhere..and mainly for my kids

[Ming the Merciless]

If I want to watch Vice News I go tohttps://www.youtube.com/user/vicenews/videos and watch the stories I want to see. If I download to watch off line then you say I am stealing from HBO and Bill Maher???

No clue about bill Maher specifically but in general, if you download content that circumvents the artist or producer getting paid I would say yes. If you watch a show through a YouTube partner, they get paid.

If your source of income was YouTube revenue, would you be OK with people torrenting it to cut you out of the picture? I'm sure you'd be fine with it right?

[cooper barrett]

No, that's trespassing, unless you have permission to be on the property and then you're ok. :)

Trespassing must be posted :D:D:D no really, opening the door of an unlocked car or house is not a crime, failing to exit said house or car when told to do so is trespassing.

You won'y find any judge who would find otherwise.

[cooper barrett]

A) you read this wrong..if you take something that doesn't belong to you, without permission....it's stealing....that's my position so if you copy the CD on the console and leave everything as it was???

B) yes I admit I watch them anyway , and it is stealing. I'm honest about it. I also speed, cheat a little on taxes...and look at chick's asses and titties even though I'm married

All of those are expected, the ones in bold are not illegal.:D:D:D:D:D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2I2XrGjzQVA/VnrYJt5SSSI/AAAAAAAACmI/qLB61ZWypy8/s640/Man%2BChecking%2BOut%2BObama.jpg

Should have impeached him when they had the chance...

[cooper barrett]

No clue about bill Maher specifically but in general, if you download content that circumvents the artist or producer getting paid I would say yes. If you watch a show through a YouTube partner, they get paid.

If your source of income was YouTube revenue, would you be OK with people torrenting it to cut you out of the picture? I'm sure you'd be fine with it right?

No! They do not get paid for posting, They get paid by clicks generated for the most part..

[loochy]

Tell your son that some of us pay our bills based off the residuals for our creative output, and people who pirate are literally stealing. Because they aren't talented enough to do what I do.

You're just a thief, same as any piece of human shit that robs a liquor store. There is literally no difference.

There's a difference

[Ming the Merciless]

No! They do not get paid for posting, They get paid by clicks generated for the most part..

You realize that if someone downloads this show, then watches it...that they won't get those clicks on youtube...right? I feel like this is kind of obvious but somehow you still don't get it...

[cooper barrett]

You realize that if someone downloads this show, then watches it...that they won't get those clicks on youtube...right? I feel like this is kind of obvious but somehow you still don't get it...

I have very strong, customizable adblocker so the clicks I make on Youtube don't pay shit. Next you're going to tell me that using an adblocker is stealing?

[lewdog]

TLDR thread.


Have we discovered the kind of porn this kid is downloading?

[cooper barrett]

TLDR thread.


Have we discovered the kind of porn this kid is downloading?

Tranny/ Midget porn was mentioned

[Ming the Merciless]

https://www.geek.com/apps/google-starts-punishing-adblock-users-with-unskippable-youtube-video-ads-1633305/

[cooper barrett]

https://www.geek.com/apps/google-starts-punishing-adblock-users-with-unskippable-youtube-video-ads-1633305/

That's Google, offer adblocking the punish you when you use it...

I have found that my adblocker is not detected by most sights and the ones that it is it is only noticed by a particular request. I doubt it will affect me.

[patteeu]

I have very strong, customizable adblocker so the clicks I make on Youtube don't pay shit. Next you're going to tell me that using an adblocker is stealing?

Adblockers are stealing. So is getting up during a commercial to get a snack from the kitchen. :)

[SuperChief]

Fish -any instruction on downloading the What the Furk add-on? Which repo and whatnot.

[Fish]

Fish -any instruction on downloading the What the Furk add-on? Which repo and whatnot.

There's a lot of non-working versions right now. Use this one, it's verified working:

https://mega.nz/#!zB12jTCB!EZNbvf-SueE2TxZJxMrLwqxlKUDnTE82zniBxVtHzKw

If you have WtF installed from any other repo, I suggest setting the addon to not autoupdate. If the API changes again, I'll update the script myself.

[BucEyedPea]

or just buy a VPN and let your son download whatever he wants

What does VPN stand for?

[patteeu]

What does VPN stand for?

virtual private network