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KCrockaholic
11-16-2017, 04:17 PM
I'm curious to hear from people who've been in this circumstance and had to make a decision on bringing back an old employee.

What would make you agree for them to return vs what would be a deal breaker?

For those who make managerial decisions or own a company, what were the results of bringing back that employee if you chose to do so.

Boring thread, I know, but I'm looking for ideas.

DaFace
11-16-2017, 04:18 PM
Rain Man's done it. Worst decision he's ever made... :D

Rain Man
11-16-2017, 04:19 PM
I thought it was a different guy who just bore an uncanny resemblance to DaFace.

Fish
11-16-2017, 04:19 PM
Depends 100% on why they initially left.

ptlyon
11-16-2017, 04:20 PM
If by employee, you mean escort, no.

KCrockaholic
11-16-2017, 04:22 PM
Depends 100% on why they initially left.

Let's say the employee did a good job, knows what's expected, but left because they wanted to seek an alternative career that turned out to be a complete dud and gave them some perspective on things not always being greener on the other side.

KCrockaholic
11-16-2017, 04:22 PM
If by employee, you mean escort, no.

Re-hiring the same escort would be boring anyways.

ptlyon
11-16-2017, 04:24 PM
Let's say the employee did a good job, knows what's expected, but left because they wanted to seek an alternative career that turned out to be a complete dud and gave them some perspective on things not always being greener on the other side.

Ah, an escort

Sorce
11-16-2017, 04:25 PM
Let's say the employee did a good job, knows what's expected, but left because they wanted to seek an alternative career that turned out to be a complete dud and gave them some perspective on things not always being greener on the other side.

In that case I would say go for it. They haven't reported to me personally but I have worked with several people who left for other opportunities and left on good terms that eventually came back.

Rain Man
11-16-2017, 04:26 PM
From a policy standpoint, this is a really easy decision. You know exactly how they fit in terms of skills and culture. It's a no risk hire decision or a really satisifying nonhire decision.

DaFace
11-16-2017, 04:27 PM
Let's say the employee did a good job, knows what's expected, but left because they wanted to seek an alternative career that turned out to be a complete dud and gave them some perspective on things not always being greener on the other side.

Well, for what it's worth, that's basically my situation. I left Rain Man, Inc. because it was the only "real" job I'd had, and I wanted to get experience with another organization in the industry.

In my case, I actually really liked the place I went, but we got bought out by a giant in the industry, and suddenly I was thrust into a massive bureaucracy. That's my style, so I called Rain Man up and started talking about coming back.

Every situation is different, but I actually think that Rain Man, Inc. has benefitted a lot from me leaving and coming back. I gained a lot of insights into how other firms operate within our industry, and we've made a lot of changes since I came back based on those experiences.

So obviously, you'd want to have a good discussion about what their long-term thoughts are - you don't want to just be the crutch they use while job searching for another field of green grass. But if they're like me, it might work out really well.

(Just to clarify, I was with Rain Man, Inc. for 5.5 years, left for 1.5, and have now been back for 3.5 more.)

KCrockaholic
11-16-2017, 04:28 PM
In that case I would say go for it. They haven't reported to me personally but I have worked with several people who left for other opportunities and left on good terms that eventually came back.

I guess the key is how they performed once they returned. Was better than before, the same, or was it just so they could find a quick fix and leave again shortly thereafter.

ptlyon
11-16-2017, 04:29 PM
Well, for what it's worth, that's basically my situation. I left Rain Man, Inc. because it was the only "real" job I'd had, and I wanted to get experience with another organization in the industry.

In my case, I actually really liked the place I went, but we got bought out by a giant in the industry, and suddenly I was thrust into a massive bureaucracy. That's my style, so I called Rain Man up and started talking about coming back.

Every situation is different, but I actually think that Rain Man, Inc. has benefitted a lot from me leaving and coming back. I gained a lot of insights into how other firms operate within our industry, and we've made a lot of changes since I came back based on those experiences.

So obviously, you'd want to have a good discussion about what their long-term thoughts are - you don't want to just be the crutch they use while job searching for another field of green grass. But if they're like me, it might work out really well.

(Just to clarify, I was with Rain Man, Inc. for 5.5 years, left for 1.5, and have now been back for 3.5 more.)
You an escort?

Iowanian
11-16-2017, 04:30 PM
1. Why did they leave?
2. Were you glad they left?
3. Were they difficult to replace?
4. Are they more skilled or appreciative of your opportunity now?
5. Did they leave the "right" way...2 weeks notice and finish their tasks and leave on good terms.

it's not complicated. We've had good employees leave and some have come back with open arms. Some have tried to come back....

DaFace
11-16-2017, 04:32 PM
You an escort?

I suppose I often escort data into my clients' loving arms...

Clyde Frog
11-16-2017, 04:32 PM
I work in tech and we do it all the time. People leave for a different company and come back in a couple of years. We had one person start back with us, that quit 2 years ago to work closer to home, this past Monday. Better pay and better position. Its one of the only ways to get ahead and get paid up to market in this industry. Unless you're a genius or your daddy/husband is rich then you can be a ****tard asshole thats worthless and get positions well beyond your scope of knowledge and skills (janitor) over people much more qualified and able. But thats another story.

KCrockaholic
11-16-2017, 04:33 PM
1. Why did they leave?
2. Were you glad they left?
3. Were they difficult to replace?
4. Are they more skilled or appreciative of your opportunity now?
5. Did they leave the "right" way...2 weeks notice and finish their tasks and leave on good terms.

it's not complicated. We've had good employees leave and some have come back with open arms. Some have tried to come back....

1. To seek an alternative career
2. No
3. It hasn't been an easy replacement
4. More appreciative of the job, from the sounds of it absolutely
5. Left on good terms, but during the final 2 weeks they slacked a bit

siberian khatru
11-16-2017, 04:33 PM
Let's say the employee did a good job, knows what's expected, but left because they wanted to seek an alternative career that turned out to be a complete dud and gave them some perspective on things not always being greener on the other side.

That was me 24 years ago. Left my paper for supposedly greener pastures, wound up hating it, 18 months later I was rehired at my former paper, in a different position (switched from sportswriting to editorial writing). Worked there another 13 years before leaving on good terms (and good thing I did -- they eliminated my position about 2 years later).

BigRedChief
11-16-2017, 04:35 PM
Sure. People leave on good terms for perceived greeener pastures.

Iowanian
11-16-2017, 04:35 PM
Let's say the employee did a good job, knows what's expected, but left because they wanted to seek an alternative career that turned out to be a complete dud and gave them some perspective on things not always being greener on the other side.

In that circumstance for me, the employee comes back with their hat in their hand, appreciating the position they had with you and will probably be a better, loyal trooper.

KCrockaholic
11-16-2017, 04:36 PM
In that circumstance for me, the employee comes back with their hat in their hand, appreciating the position they had with you and will probably be a better, loyal trooper.

That's exactly what would be expected.

Iowanian
11-16-2017, 04:38 PM
If there is an open position, I guess I don't see any issue.

you already know them, how they fit in your environment. You already know if they're dependable, how hard they work, if they're a team player, if they meet deadlines.

In my experience when someone leaves you know pretty quickly if you'd want them back or not based on what you find when they're gone and if they were hard to replace. Sometimes the replacements are improvements...sometimes they make you appreciate the other guy.

Sorce
11-16-2017, 04:40 PM
I guess the key is how they performed once they returned. Was better than before, the same, or was it just so they could find a quick fix and leave again shortly thereafter.

It was basically the same.

DaFace
11-16-2017, 04:43 PM
Think of it this way:

Would you rather hire this person again with the possibility that they might leave again soon, or would you rather go through a normal hiring process to find someone else to fill the role?

Fish
11-16-2017, 04:46 PM
Let's say the employee did a good job, knows what's expected, but left because they wanted to seek an alternative career that turned out to be a complete dud and gave them some perspective on things not always being greener on the other side.

I don't see anything wrong with that then. With the expectation that they'll be treated as a new employee.

KCrockaholic
11-16-2017, 04:47 PM
Think of it this way:

Would you rather hire this person again with the possibility that they might leave again soon, or would you rather go through a normal hiring process to find someone else to fill the role?

Well if they did leave again shortly thereafter, I'd have to go through the hiring process regardless whether it's now or later. But I'd rather take the chance on someone who knows what they're doing right away.

SAUTO
11-16-2017, 05:04 PM
i have and found out nothing changed and fired their ass all over again.

JakeLV
11-16-2017, 05:10 PM
If the process of on-boarding isn't painful (thinking about having to go back through the process should they leave again), I would give them another go. If they're good a employee, it's worth the risk.

If you're a big company, you might see about helping with career investment.

Rain Man
11-16-2017, 05:29 PM
i have and found out nothing changed and fired their ass all over again.

You rehired someone that you fired? I think I see the problem.

Rain Man
11-16-2017, 05:33 PM
If I think about all of my ex-employees, I'd probably hire about 20 percent of them back.

Among the other 80 percent, I'd divvy it up as ...

25 percent were good employees, but the company has evolved and their skills or their position are no longer needed. I'd never really thought about this before, but it's a big factor.
15 percent were fine workers but with limited upside in the company for various reasons.
30 percent weren't a great fit and it was better for both of us when they moved on.
10 percent were never a good fit and I had to terminate them, which I don't enjoy doing.

SAUTO
11-16-2017, 05:33 PM
You rehired someone that you fired? I think I see the problem.

Well...

It was a long time friend who acquired some issues, he lost them for a while and then when the paychecks came back they brought his issues with them.

BlackHelicopters
11-16-2017, 05:40 PM
Done it. Only in circumstances where they followed some worthless bum somewhere, only to come crawling back home.

eDave
11-16-2017, 05:43 PM
Absolutely (depending on how the separation went).

In the highly skilled IT arena it happens all the time.

TimeForWasp
11-16-2017, 05:47 PM
Rainman the Terminator.

https://m.popkey.co/b157e6/K6q3D_s-200x150.gif

scorpio
11-16-2017, 05:48 PM
Well, for what it's worth, that's basically my situation. I left Rain Man, Inc. because it was the only "real" job I'd had, and I wanted to get experience with another organization in the industry.

In my case, I actually really liked the place I went, but we got bought out by a giant in the industry, and suddenly I was thrust into a massive bureaucracy. That's my style, so I called Rain Man up and started talking about coming back.

Every situation is different, but I actually think that Rain Man, Inc. has benefitted a lot from me leaving and coming back. I gained a lot of insights into how other firms operate within our industry, and we've made a lot of changes since I came back based on those experiences.

So obviously, you'd want to have a good discussion about what their long-term thoughts are - you don't want to just be the crutch they use while job searching for another field of green grass. But if they're like me, it might work out really well.

(Just to clarify, I was with Rain Man, Inc. for 5.5 years, left for 1.5, and have now been back for 3.5 more.)

Your first foray out of the nest didn't end in overwhelming success so you moved back in with dad?

scorpio
11-16-2017, 05:49 PM
Depending on the situation I would totally hire a former employee. But I'm pragmatic, I know others who wouldn't just out of (dumb) principle.

displacedinMN
11-16-2017, 06:00 PM
We did-a teacher. She was great and decided to leave. Grass is not always greener. Glad to have her back.

TribalElder
11-16-2017, 06:18 PM
I have always worked hard to be held in high regard by former employers long after we have parted ways. I have not tried to go back but would like to think the option would be on the table if I ever wanted to return.

If they were good you know it. I would hire someone back most likely if the situation came up and they were a valuable contributor.

Clyde Frog
11-16-2017, 06:28 PM
We did-a teacher.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/56394994/nice.jpg

Rain Man
11-16-2017, 06:41 PM
I have always worked hard to be held in high regard by former employers long after we have parted ways. I have not tried to go back but would like to think the option would be on the table if I ever wanted to return.

If they were good you know it. I would hire someone back most likely if the situation came up and they were a valuable contributor.

I used to work with a guy many years ago, and we both got laid off. His career was clearly going nowhere at that company based on his promotion history and he'd been there for 10+ years. He was flatlined. He worked somewhere else for several years, and then somehow got hired back on at the first company. He then worked there again for several more years and I'm pretty sure he got laid off again.

I'm not going to ask, but I'm really curious about that decision to return. Was he not aware that his career had flatlined the first time? Did he think his prospects were better the second time around? Or did he just like the job enough that he didn't care about advancing his career? I don't begrudge him going back if he really liked the job, and at some point in one's career most of us stop looking upward and just want a job that we enjoy. So kudos to him if he figured that out.

But I dunno, I don't think I'd take the pride hit of walking back into that place the second time around.

Garcia Bronco
11-16-2017, 06:44 PM
Absolutely (depending on how the separation went).

In the highly skilled IT arena it happens all the time.

Yep, I'm on my third stent with my current company.

Great Expectations
11-16-2017, 06:47 PM
Let's say the employee did a good job, knows what's expected, but left because they wanted to seek an alternative career that turned out to be a complete dud and gave them some perspective on things not always being greener on the other side.

Yes and they left again.

CapsLockKey
11-16-2017, 06:50 PM
As long as they were a good employee previously and left on good terms, yes. Low risk hire as you know what your getting. If they leave again you at least aren't out the time and money it takes to train and orient the person to the business that you'd have with a new hire.

Otis Day
11-16-2017, 07:13 PM
I have been in this position several times, and each time rehiring an employee that left did not work out. They had previously been good employees, but had left for better pay. When they return they have always left again within a year. Now I will not go down that path.

BTW - these are sales professionals in the tech industry.

Rain Man
11-16-2017, 07:18 PM
I have been in this position several times, and each time rehiring an employee that left did not work out. They had previously been good employees, but had left for better pay. When they return they have always left again within a year. Now I will not go down that path.

BTW - these are sales professionals in the tech industry.

You have to nail their foot to the deck.

19now11
11-16-2017, 07:24 PM
That's exactly what would be expected.

snoop dogg dont hire no punks...

19now11
11-16-2017, 07:28 PM
but as far as i see it (heavy equipment operator) as long as you were dissapointed they left, and they gave a 2 week notice, welcome back. once of course.

cooper barrett
11-16-2017, 08:31 PM
If by employee, you mean escort, no.


Hey

Pimpin ain't easy!!!! Biotch Watch "the Deuce" .and learn

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T-post Tom
11-16-2017, 08:35 PM
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cooper barrett
11-16-2017, 08:36 PM
You an escort?

Daface in the 70's Sorta escort:D

https://tommyshouseofwhores.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/40872-hhquhl8a2fzcbmjdbs4bm6apto.jpg?w=480&h=640

cooper barrett
11-16-2017, 08:55 PM
My boss in the early 90's was asked by a vendor if they could talk to me about going to work for them. I learned later that, he told them that he was surprised he had been able to keep me as long as he had and gave them the green light. After they made me an offer, I ran it past my boss for his imput.

I went to work for them 2 weeks later, during a 5 year stint made low 6 figures every year which then was big bucks for a single guy.

Years later he hired me back with a compensation package that literally blow me away.

Fire Me Boy!
11-17-2017, 07:31 AM
Well, for what it's worth, that's basically my situation. I left Rain Man, Inc. because it was the only "real" job I'd had, and I wanted to get experience with another organization in the industry.

In my case, I actually really liked the place I went, but we got bought out by a giant in the industry, and suddenly I was thrust into a massive bureaucracy. That's my style, so I called Rain Man up and started talking about coming back.

Every situation is different, but I actually think that Rain Man, Inc. has benefitted a lot from me leaving and coming back. I gained a lot of insights into how other firms operate within our industry, and we've made a lot of changes since I came back based on those experiences.

So obviously, you'd want to have a good discussion about what their long-term thoughts are - you don't want to just be the crutch they use while job searching for another field of green grass. But if they're like me, it might work out really well.

(Just to clarify, I was with Rain Man, Inc. for 5.5 years, left for 1.5, and have now been back for 3.5 more.)

I think they call this "the girlfriend experience."

Amnorix
11-17-2017, 10:07 AM
There's no reason at all I wouldn't rehire a good employee who left, unless the circumstances of their departure indicated otherwise.

Employees leaving isn't an act of betrayal. Sometimes its $$$, or a lifestyle choice, or they want to try a new career path, or whatever. There's a million reasons. If they were good employees, I'd gladly rehire.

We have, on two occasions, reached out to try to rehire folks that had left when a spot opened up that we thought they would be a good fit for. They left on good terms, and you never know when someone might be thinking they need a change, or have regrets, or whatever.

Hammock Parties
11-17-2017, 10:09 AM
usually it doesn't work out

http://i12.tinypic.com/2lwuj6a.jpg

raybec 4
11-17-2017, 10:14 AM
My boss in the early 90's was asked by a vendor if they could talk to me about going to work for them. I learned later that, he told them that he was surprised he had been able to keep me as long as he had and gave them the green light. After they made me an offer, I ran it past my boss for his imput.

I went to work for them 2 weeks later, during a 5 year stint made low 6 figures every year which then was big bucks for a single guy.

Years later he hired me back with a compensation package that literally blow me away.

Nice way to make up a fake story that barely relates to the topic if at all.

BigRichard
11-17-2017, 10:17 AM
I work in tech and we do it all the time. People leave for a different company and come back in a couple of years. We had one person start back with us, that quit 2 years ago to work closer to home, this past Monday. Better pay and better position. Its one of the only ways to get ahead and get paid up to market in this industry. Unless you're a genius or your daddy/husband is rich then you can be a ****tard asshole thats worthless and get positions well beyond your scope of knowledge and skills (janitor) over people much more qualified and able. But thats another story.

Hospital I used to work at has the guy you are describing here. Guy was completely worthless and I don't use that term lightly. The reason he was hired? His dad is a surgeon at the hospital that brings in a lot of money. They even "laid him off" at one point. His dad raised a stink and he was back on the team within a couple of weeks. That guy doesn't know how to do anything related to his position. It was completely ridiculous.

kccrow
11-17-2017, 10:36 AM
I have with good employees. Even hired one back that I fired (she was an A employee that made a really, really stupid mistake so I figured she'd learned from it)

My question is how does one work for this Rain Man, Inc.? Sounds interesting.

scho63
11-17-2017, 11:58 AM
I would never hire back a fired employee.

One who quit or laid off, yes

Fire Me Boy!
11-17-2017, 12:01 PM
I would never hire back a fired employee.

One who quit or laid off, yes

I think that would again depend on the reason behind the firing. Sometimes people need to grow up.

scho63
11-17-2017, 01:10 PM
I think that would again depend on the reason behind the firing. Sometimes people need to grow up.

I politely disagree....:shake:

I've never fired without real cause. No one I fired in life I want back.

Iowanian
11-17-2017, 01:23 PM
I politely disagree....:shake:

I've never fired without real cause. No one I fired in life I want back.

A friend and I were fired from a grocery store in High School(after 3 years) for carving a jack-o-lantern into a potato we had taken from the produce garbage. New, and not squishy with eyes growing in it, it was valued at $0.13.

The real reason, and they removed everyone in my age range within a couple of months and replaced us with younger employees. I think we had all breached $5/hr and we were replaced with younger kids at $3.25 or some serious, big financial difference.


Ironically, the person responsible left, and a decade later tried to return as the manager of that store. There had been a rumored issue where he had recently left relating to theft. Locals went to bat for this person and had a petition. I wrote the president of the company involved, explained my situation and asked them to hold this person to the same level of accountability he had held high school students. He was terminated. Fuck you, Joe.

cooper barrett
11-17-2017, 01:35 PM
usually it doesn't work out

http://i12.tinypic.com/2lwuj6a.jpg

Taken with a grain of salt...

https://pics.onsizzle.com/this-is-a-giant-pile-of-salt-me-irl-2828705.png

Marcellus
11-17-2017, 01:39 PM
If they left on their own and gave notice etc..its usually not an issue as you wouldnt rehire them unless you were previously satisfied with their work.

If they were fired over attendance for example or some other reason and are gone for a while and you give them another shot, it almost never works out.

scho63
11-17-2017, 02:14 PM
A friend and I were fired from a grocery store in High School(after 3 years) for carving a jack-o-lantern into a potato we had taken from the produce garbage. New, and not squishy with eyes growing in it, it was valued at $0.13.

The real reason, and they removed everyone in my age range within a couple of months and replaced us with younger employees. I think we had all breached $5/hr and we were replaced with younger kids at $3.25 or some serious, big financial difference.


Ironically, the person responsible left, and a decade later tried to return as the manager of that store. There had been a rumored issue where he had recently left relating to theft. Locals went to bat for this person and had a petition. I wrote the president of the company involved, explained my situation and asked them to hold this person to the same level of accountability he had held high school students. He was terminated. Fuck you, Joe.

You weren't fired with cause and I wasn't the person who fired you.

There are SO many people who always need a job, going back to a fired employee is desperate IMHO.

Fire Me Boy!
11-17-2017, 02:27 PM
I politely disagree....:shake:

I've never fired without real cause. No one I fired in life I want back.

Sometimes you fire people with cause, but that cause is immaturity - can't show up on time, does foolish things, but otherwise does good work. Sometimes, not always obviously, people need a chance to learn hard lessons and grow up.

Hydrae
11-17-2017, 02:37 PM
I suppose I often escort data into my clients' loving arms...

So data is the escort, you are just the pimp. Gotcha.

kcxiv
11-17-2017, 02:38 PM
Let's say the employee did a good job, knows what's expected, but left because they wanted to seek an alternative career that turned out to be a complete dud and gave them some perspective on things not always being greener on the other side.

should never hate on someone who tried to put themselves in a better financial situation. Thats just holding people back. I'd hire them in a heartbeat and tell him if you get a better shot at something else take it again.

Eleazar
11-17-2017, 03:04 PM
I worked at a certain place for 4 years, did well there, everyone was happy with me and my work. I was recruited for a job in another state that was significantly higher paying and had upward potential (which my current job did not), so I left for it. I left well, gave 6 weeks' notice, hustled to get all work wrapped up before leaving, trained a replacement very well. I took great pains to part on good terms.

Another 4 years or so go by and I am looking to move back to that city. The new job had been okay, but the organization was very dysfunctional and I much preferred living in the previous place. So I interviewed with the previous employer for an open position and while the managers were all very positive and they made me a decent offer, I ended up declining because some of the base level people gave me the distinct feeling in the interview (a series of panel interviews) that they resented me for leaving, or for being a candidate for a higher level position than the one I'd left. I felt like even if the managers were glad to have me back, if the people who would be my peers were not, then it wouldn't be the right fit.

I ended up taking a similar offer with a different employer in the city and I am glad that I did, but that's something I never considered - how rank and file folks might react. Everyone's personality is different but I didn't expect to see a range of resentment or jealousy or whatever it was, given that I'd been an exemplary employee previously. That's how it goes I guess.

oldman
11-17-2017, 03:21 PM
There's a certain large company in the KC metro that does it all the time. Hire, lay off, oops, we made a mistake, rehire through a contracting company, offer job, lay off, oops--rinse and repeat. I know of at least 4 people there that have been a full time employee as many as 3 times and a contractor in between.

raybec 4
11-17-2017, 03:24 PM
I worked at a certain place for 4 years, did well there, everyone was happy with me and my work. I was recruited for a job in another state that was significantly higher paying and had upward potential (which my current job did not), so I left for it. I left well, gave 6 weeks' notice, hustled to get all work wrapped up before leaving, trained a replacement very well. I took great pains to part on good terms.

Another 4 years or so go by and I am looking to move back to that city. The new job had been okay, but the organization was very dysfunctional and I much preferred living in the previous place. So I interviewed with the previous employer for an open position and while the managers were all very positive and they made me a decent offer, I ended up declining because some of the base level people gave me the distinct feeling in the interview (a series of panel interviews) that they resented me for leaving, or for being a candidate for a higher level position than the one I'd left. I felt like even if the managers were glad to have me back, if the people who would be my peers were not, then it wouldn't be the right fit.

I ended up taking a similar offer with a different employer in the city and I am glad that I did, but that's something I never considered - how rank and file folks might react. Everyone's personality is different but I didn't expect to see a range of resentment or jealousy or whatever it was, given that I'd been an exemplary employee previously. That's how it goes I guess.

Maybe they just thought you were a dick

Eleazar
11-17-2017, 03:43 PM
Maybe they just thought you were a dick

I guess it's possible, but I definitely wasn't one. These were people who I had very good relationships with before. Who knows.

That place is a smaller shop and is mostly made up of people who have been there for 15 or 20 years, so the cultural attitudes may just be different than they are in bigger ponds where people come and go more often.

cooper barrett
11-17-2017, 04:31 PM
I politely disagree....:shake:

I've never fired without real cause. No one I fired in life I want back.

Sometimes you fire people with cause, but that cause is immaturity - can't show up on time, does foolish things, but otherwise does good work. Sometimes, not always obviously, people need a chance to learn hard lessons and grow up.

We have all had that boss who, you know, was a dick. There was no reason to get inspired when they came to work and the day he fired them was the best day of their life...

That employee coming back to that boss is never going to work and it's not the employee's fault...

Some bosses do a great job of training employees for others.

underEJ
11-17-2017, 05:17 PM
We do it all the time. Maybe artists are different due to their talent being in demand, but we have people come and go all the time and it works fine as long as they don't leave us hanging on a project. They leave for lots of reasons. I don't expect loyalty from anyone. I expect professionalism. I understand that there are motivations like money and creative interest in the project that sometimes go my way and sometimes don't go my way. Out of 35 or so in my department, about half are long time employees, a quarter are young up and comers, and a quarter are industry vets who move frequently and this group comes and goes quite a bit. I personally have been in all three groups over the course of my career and they all have merit so I am particularly understanding of people's motivations I think.

notorious
11-17-2017, 05:52 PM
In that circumstance for me, the employee comes back with their hat in their hand, appreciating the position they had with you and will probably be a better, loyal trooper.

This has happened to me. They figure out how good I treat them and don't take it for granted after being treated like shit at another job for a while.

Rain Man
11-17-2017, 05:55 PM
A friend and I were fired from a grocery store in High School(after 3 years) for carving a jack-o-lantern into a potato we had taken from the produce garbage. New, and not squishy with eyes growing in it, it was valued at $0.13.

The real reason, and they removed everyone in my age range within a couple of months and replaced us with younger employees. I think we had all breached $5/hr and we were replaced with younger kids at $3.25 or some serious, big financial difference.


Ironically, the person responsible left, and a decade later tried to return as the manager of that store. There had been a rumored issue where he had recently left relating to theft. Locals went to bat for this person and had a petition. I wrote the president of the company involved, explained my situation and asked them to hold this person to the same level of accountability he had held high school students. He was terminated. **** you, Joe.

This is completely unrelated to your story, but somewhat parallel.

When I was a high school kid working at a steak house, one of the tasks we had was pulling potatoes out of the big 50 pound boxes that were imported from Idaho and wrapping them in aluminum foil for baking.

At one point another guy and I were doing this, and we found the largest potato in the history of the world. The steakhouse bought large potatoes as a policy, and this one was three or four times larger than the typical large potatoes. We were astounded and showed it to all of the other employees, and instead of being baked, the potato went on display to the public for the rest of its natural life.

KranzDictum
11-17-2017, 06:10 PM
Yes there are a couple people who gave me notice that I would rehire or work with, especially the kid I mentored who is now a tech of Microsoft, though he isn't a kid anymore. This is why it is important to stay in touch with people after they leave.

Can't fault someone for wanting to make more money or gain experience.

MTG#10
11-17-2017, 06:16 PM
Funny you made this thread, I just re-hired a former employee for the first time a few weeks ago. Dumbest managerial mistake Ive made so far. He's already fired, he just doesn't know it yet.

He was terminated 6 years ago (before my time) due to two accidents in a company vehicle in less than a year. One was his fault, one fault was inconclusive. He was a good employee though from what Ive been told. Now he's just a screw-up, constantly messing up and bitching. Tired of his shit and as soon as I have another guy trained he's gone.

KCrockaholic
11-17-2017, 06:33 PM
Funny you made this thread, I just re-hired a former employee for the first time a few weeks ago. Dumbest managerial mistake Ive made so far. He's already fired, he just doesn't know it yet.

He was terminated 6 years ago due to two accidents in a company vehicle in less than a year. One was his fault, one fault was inconclusive. He was a good employee though. Now he's just a screw-up, constantly messing up and bitching. Tired of his shit and as soon as I have another guy trained he's gone.

He was only terminated due to 2 accidents within 6 years? I'm sure there had to have been other things that built up over time also?

But it sounds like the guy has issues besides that. He wanted to return, knew what to expect, yet still goes around bitching and messing up. That's pretty strange.

MTG#10
11-17-2017, 06:39 PM
He was only terminated due to 2 accidents within 6 years? I'm sure there had to have been other things that built up over time also?

But it sounds like the guy has issues besides that. He wanted to return, knew what to expect, yet still goes around bitching and messing up. That's pretty strange.

No, he was terminated when he worked there 6 years ago. He was only there a year and had two accidents. Company policy back then apparently. And yeah, everything with him is bullshit. "This is bullshit." "That's some bullshit." Any and everything he's asked to do that's a little more than he expected. He's done.

KCrockaholic
11-17-2017, 06:41 PM
I received some pushback from an indirect manager who is not wanting this guy to return because he felt that during his 2 weeks notice period he wasn't giving enough effort and made mistakes.

He was still a very good worker for 3 years before he left. I think he just kind of mailed it in and didn't have a good mindset when he knew he was leaving over a year ago.

It's not his department to decide upon, but he's also been in the business for over 20 years.

Personally I don't think 2 weeks defines a person.

KCrockaholic
11-17-2017, 06:41 PM
No, he was terminated when he worked there 6 years ago. He was only there a year and had two accidents. Company policy back then apparently.

Gotcha. I misunderstood you.

splatbass
11-18-2017, 02:26 AM
Think of it this way:

Would you rather hire this person again with the possibility that they might leave again soon, or would you rather go through a normal hiring process to find someone else to fill the role?

I just hired someone back a couple of months ago that left on good terms. The fact that there was no training necessary was part of the decision, along with the fact that she gets along well with everyone and does good work. I haven't regretted it. Finding someone new is full of pitfalls that were avoided by hiring a known quantity.

The guy before her that I hired met all of the qualifications and seemed perfect for the job. He turned out to be useless. He didn't do much of anything for the two months he worked for us, and never seemed to be at his desk when I needed him. He was headed toward getting fired when he quit because he didn't want to take the required polygraph. Dodged a bullet there.

kccrow
11-18-2017, 03:49 AM
I just hired someone back a couple of months ago that left on good terms. The fact that there was no training necessary was part of the decision, along with the fact that she gets along well with everyone and does good work. I haven't regretted it. Finding someone new is full of pitfalls that were avoided by hiring a known quantity.

The guy before her that I hired met all of the qualifications and seemed perfect for the job. He turned out to be useless. He didn't do much of anything for the two months he worked for us, and never seemed to be at his desk when I needed him. He was headed toward getting fired when he quit because he didn't want to take the required polygraph. Dodged a bullet there.

Required polygraph? Yeah, I'd walk on you too.

MTG#10
11-18-2017, 12:39 PM
Required polygraph? Yeah, I'd walk on you too.

What are you hiding

Stewie
11-18-2017, 12:42 PM
There's a certain large company in the KC metro that does it all the time. Hire, lay off, oops, we made a mistake, rehire through a contracting company, offer job, lay off, oops--rinse and repeat. I know of at least 4 people there that have been a full time employee as many as 3 times and a contractor in between.

Let me guess? Sprint? They've done that shit for years

or

Cerner? I know certain parts of that company chew employees up and spit them out only to realize they messed up. Most are glad they left and don't go back.

BucEyedPea
11-18-2017, 12:46 PM
No. I have not. But I've been re-hired after leaving and have always been told when giving notice, that I could come back anytime.

splatbass
11-18-2017, 01:20 PM
Required polygraph? Yeah, I'd walk on you too.



Government contract, not my requirement. I have to take them too every five years. And he knew it was required when he accepted the job.


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