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Deberg_1990

11-21-2017, 04:16 PM

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year.

The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday.

I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback.

Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1).

Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season.

September: 92.0
October: 111.1
November: 63.5
Dec.-Jan.: 68.8

The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses.

I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses.

It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000881082/article/offensive-player-rankings-week-12-alex-smith-limits-chiefs

ModSocks

11-21-2017, 04:22 PM

This is what we need.

Now that Alex is shitting the bed the media pressure is coming.

It's only a matter of time, boys.

Dayze

11-21-2017, 04:25 PM

it's funny hearing interviews of Reid.
he know knows Alex sucks; and he knows that the fans know that he knows that he sucks. LMAO

he's normally a cliche machine anyway, but hearing him stutter all over his words when asked about his QB, was/is hilarious to listen to.

The Franchise

11-21-2017, 04:26 PM

Deberg_1990

11-21-2017, 04:26 PM

This is what we need.

Now that Alex is shitting the bed the media pressure is coming.

It's only a matter of time, boys.

Interesting that he calls out a former teammates weaknesses. Usually guys are more protective than that.

KCrockaholic

11-21-2017, 04:27 PM

I hope the media pressure stays constant. We just need Alex to shit himself again vs Buffalo.

Deberg_1990

11-21-2017, 04:28 PM

We just need Alex to shit himself again vs Buffalo.

He wont. he will play just 'good enough' to keep his job. He always does...

235 yards passing, 2 TDs

The Franchise

11-21-2017, 04:30 PM

I hope the media pressure stays constant. We just need Alex to shit himself again vs Buffalo.

I don't think it will happen. I think we'll get the usual steady Alex against the Bills.

But if it does happen....and Reid doesn't bench him. Then Reid can be gone with Alex as far as I'm concerned.

ModSocks

11-21-2017, 04:30 PM

If there is one thing they need to realize when they make the switch....it's this.

Once you put in Mahomes....there is no going back. I don't care if he throws 3 INTs. Do not put him in there....just to pull him out during the next game.

Yup. Reid knows this. There's no going back. That's why im not mad that he hasn't made the switch.

....'nuff rope to hang himself with. (He's white, so fuck off SJW's)

Had Alex not had the start that he did, he'd be benched by now. Alex bought himself more time with that start.

ARROW2

11-21-2017, 04:30 PM

He wont. he will play just 'good enough' to keep his job. He always does...

235 yards passing, 2 TDs

2 TDs? ROFLROFLROFLROFL

KCUnited

11-21-2017, 04:31 PM

I trust David Carr to know when a QB has been ruined in the pocket and is done.

TribalElder

11-21-2017, 04:31 PM

The team which scores the most points usually wins the game

RunKC

11-21-2017, 04:33 PM

The Franchise

11-21-2017, 04:35 PM

Horrible idea man

Dude....I don't want Reid gone but at some point.....this shit becomes an issue. Four fucking years of watching the same fucking shit QB being trotted out there...and it reflects badly on the HC.

ModSocks

11-21-2017, 04:35 PM

Hammock Parties

11-21-2017, 04:37 PM

Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season.

September: 92.0
October: 111.1
November: 63.5
Dec.-Jan.: 68.8

He's fucking finished.

I will bathe in his blood.

Hammock Parties

11-21-2017, 04:38 PM

I hope the media pressure stays constant. We just need Alex to shit himself again vs Buffalo.

First punt...the boos are gonna rain down

Sassy Squatch

11-21-2017, 04:41 PM

So as long as we play in a climate controlled dome we might have a chance come playoff time. LMAO come to think of it the Colts and Texans playoff games were his most "impressive."

The Franchise

11-21-2017, 04:42 PM

So as long as we play in a climate controlled dome we might have a chance come playoff time. LMAO come to think of it the Colts and Texans playoff games were his most "impressive."

190 yards 1 TD and 1 INT is impressive? The defense and STs won that playoff game against the Texans.

Deberg_1990

11-21-2017, 04:43 PM

190 yards 1 TD and 1 INT is impressive? The defense and STs won that playoff game against the Texans.

True. if i remember right, we were in alot of short fields. I cant hold that against Smith.

Sassy Squatch

11-21-2017, 04:43 PM

190 yards 1 TD and 1 INT is impressive? The defense and STs won that playoff game against the Texans.
Couldn't think of a better word. Maybe adequate?

ModSocks

11-21-2017, 04:45 PM

This thread triggered tigerbitch.

Hilarious.

The Franchise

11-21-2017, 04:48 PM

True. if i remember right, we were in alot of short fields. I cant hold that against Smith.

Chiefs offensive drives

10 plays - 29 yards - 0 points
2 plays - 5 yards - INT
5 plays - 27 yards - FG
6 plays - 40 yards - FG
3 plays - -2 yards - 0 points
5 plays - 27 yards - 0 points
11 plays - 94 yards - TD
8 plays - 71 yards - TD
6 plays - 7 yards - 0 points
4 plays - 6 yards - FG

RunKC

11-21-2017, 04:53 PM

Patience young grass hopper. Patience.

This.

The move was made to get Pat. It's only a matter of time, and I admit it's hard being patient right now.

Reerun_KC

11-21-2017, 04:59 PM

It’s crazy how we went from MVP to possibly being benched in the matter of one game.

ptlyon

11-21-2017, 05:00 PM

It’s crazy how we went from MVP to possibly being benched in the matter of one game.

He was never going to be an MVP

ModSocks

11-21-2017, 05:02 PM

It’s crazy how we went from MVP to possibly being benched in the matter of one game.

One game. Nah. 4-game stretch.

Reerun_KC

11-21-2017, 05:04 PM

He was never going to be an MVP

So should we nickname him.

Alex “ I was in the 2017 MVP talk that one time” Smith?

KCrockaholic

11-21-2017, 05:05 PM

Reminds me of Matt "Pro bowler" Cassel.

ptlyon

11-21-2017, 05:07 PM

So should we nickname him.

“ I was gonna be the MVP in 17, but then I woke up ”

FYP

rico

11-21-2017, 05:08 PM

This speaks volumes. If there is anyone who knows Alex Smith it's David "WE WANT CARR!!!WE WANT CARR" Carr. Glad to see him give what appears to be an honest opinion.

wazu

11-21-2017, 05:33 PM

The stats about how Alex gets shittier as the year goes on are amazing.

BlackHelicopters

11-21-2017, 06:20 PM

If anyone knows a shitty QB, it’s David Carr.

BigCatDaddy

11-21-2017, 06:22 PM

And water is wet

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-21-2017, 06:34 PM

I don't think it will happen. I think we'll get the usual steady Alex against the Bills.

But if it does happen....and Reid doesn't bench him. Then Reid can be gone with Alex as far as I'm concerned.

I think it WILL happen. Both Smith AND Reid are NOT "bounce back" guys. When this team has come back the following week after an ass kicking, it wasn't Reid and Smith doing the leading. From time to time, the defense just gets tired of this shit and throws down the juice. And of course, Reid and "Shitty" get to profit from it.

This defense COULD feast on Buffalo. The question is, will they?

yeti

11-21-2017, 06:46 PM

So Smith is dome soft. What is Mahomes like in cold weather?

Dunerdr

11-21-2017, 07:06 PM

So Smith is dome soft. What is Mahomes like in cold weather?

wasn't that cold but he put up a million yards on ou in 30mph wind last year

Chiefshrink

11-21-2017, 07:11 PM

prhom

11-21-2017, 07:17 PM

I think it WILL happen. Both Smith AND Reid are NOT "bounce back" guys. When this team has come back the following week after an ass kicking, it wasn't Reid and Smith doing the leading. From time to time, the defense just gets tired of this shit and throws down the juice. And of course, Reid and "Shitty" get to profit from it.

This defense COULD feast on Buffalo. The question is, will they?

I could easily see Tyrod starting this week and having a great game against us to prove he shouldn’t have been benched. The chiefs haven’t had a stretch like this since the 1-5 start a few years ago. Some of the guys on the team now will remember that. Will anyone step up? Let’s see. I share your doubt that it’s Smith. The offensive line might and that could be enough if Hunt were to have a monster game with multiple TDs.

RobBlake

11-21-2017, 07:47 PM

Alex will finish the season

Coogs

11-21-2017, 07:51 PM

Alex will finish the season
I think that decision sets us back 1 more year. Let Mahomes finish, get his feet wet in a playoff game, reap the rewards next year.

dlphg9

11-21-2017, 07:51 PM

2 TDs? ROFLROFLROFLROFL

I was about to say, a 2 touchdown 235 yard game is a pretty decent game. I wouldn't complain if he did that every game lol

dlphg9

11-21-2017, 07:53 PM

I think that decision sets us back 1 more year. Let Mahomes finish, get his feet wet in a playoff game, reap the rewards next year.

This. Why waste a whole year just so Alex doesn't get his feelings hurt. We're going no where this season. I think if we fall to .500 there is a pretty good chance Andy will put in Mahomes.

ARROW2

11-21-2017, 07:53 PM

I was about to say, a 2 touchdown 235 yard game is a pretty decent game. I wouldn't complain if he did that every game lol

he is not gonna throw 2 TDs. Hasn't in 4 of the last 5.

No, Tyreek in Dallas doesn't count, so don't even try it.

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-21-2017, 08:06 PM

I could easily see Tyrod starting this week and having a great game against us to prove he shouldn’t have been benched. The chiefs haven’t had a stretch like this since the 1-5 start a few years ago. Some of the guys on the team now will remember that. Will anyone step up? Let’s see. I share your doubt that it’s Smith. The offensive line might and that could be enough if Hunt were to have a monster game with multiple TDs.

Agreed. There are offensive options outside of Smith as well. Smith is so cursed in that he has NO ability to be that guy that fires up the team and marches them out breathing fire.
The defense has lost its leaders due to injury and when that happens, the discipline breaks down, the gut goes un-checked, and shitty teams can put some points up. That said, the D did its job against NYG.
Frankly, I'm ready to start Mahomes if only to get the rest of this team out of its funk.

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-21-2017, 08:08 PM

Alex will finish the season

And you would like that. But why? Smith isn't retiring a Chief, and the fans are sick to death of him as a player.
The only positive in that scenario, is that it assures that Mahomes will not sustain an injury.

Nothing more.

dj56dt58

11-21-2017, 08:09 PM

Dude....I don't want Reid gone but at some point.....this shit becomes an issue. Four ****ing years of watching the same ****ing shit QB being trotted out there...and it reflects badly on the HC.

I think it reflects more on the front office. It's been this way since I can remember going back to the 90s. This franchise is loyal to a fault for whatever reason.

Rausch

11-21-2017, 08:18 PM

So should we nickname him.

Alex “ I was in the 2017 MVP talk that one time” Smith?

Reversion to the mean.

Smith was playing at an MVP level the first 5 games. He's come back down to earth now.

I'd argue he had 4 great games, 3 respectable games, and 2 garbage games.

To this point Alex has played better than I thought he would. To this point our record is better than I thought it would be.

It should be clear now that this team has the holes we thought it did before the season...

Rausch

11-21-2017, 08:22 PM

I think it reflects more on the front office. It's been this way since I can remember going back to the 90s. This franchise is loyal to a fault for whatever reason.

So loyal they traded up in the 1st to select a QB.

Great argument.

Look, Reid doesn't think PM is ready. Mahomes is a talent but it does us no good to trot him out early behind a questionable line.

We want 2PM and not RG3...

Reerun_KC

11-21-2017, 08:26 PM

So loyal they traded up in the 1st to select a QB.

Great argument.

Look, Reid doesn't think PM is ready. Mahomes is a talent but it does us no good to trot him out early behind a questionable line.

We want 2PM and not RG3...

Line was solid last weekend. Really hasn’t been overly questionable lately.

But if we say it enough then it’s true.

Rausch

11-21-2017, 08:34 PM

Line was solid last weekend. Really hasn’t been overly questionable lately.

But if we say it enough then it’s true.

I didn't even get to watch last week's game because my sleep has been so fucked lately. Sounds like that was a good thing.

And when the best compliment you can pay is "not overly questionable" I think we can both agree there's room for improvement...

srvy

11-21-2017, 09:50 PM

Line was solid last weekend. Really hasn’t been overly questionable lately.

But if we say it enough then it’s true.

Line was horrible run blocking and average pass blocking. Like usual Smith either held it to long or began his roll right to sideline to dump it OOB.

Pasta Little Brioni

11-21-2017, 09:58 PM

Not seeing him to next year fellas

Chief3188

11-21-2017, 10:17 PM

Reversion to the mean.

Smith was playing at an MVP level the first 5 games. He's come back down to earth now.

I'd argue he had 4 great games, 3 respectable games, and 2 garbage games.

To this point Alex has played better than I thought he would. To this point our record is better than I thought it would be.

It should be clear now that this team has the holes we thought it did before the season...

We have had 3 games where the offense failed to score more than 17 points so I would not file any of those in the respectable column personally especially considering how the defenses of the Steelers, Cowboys and our TD'less game against the 31st Giants have fared against teams this season.

I like Alex as a professional and how he handles himself and these situations as a person. I am grateful that he along with Reid and Dorsey helped make this franchise at least respectable again after the emotion stealing seasons we have recently had prior to 2013. But he has served his purpose and it is time to give way to Mahomes. I had really hoped that Smith could have kept it up the way he played the first 5 weeks and gone out with a beautiful swan song ending in a SB. But everyone here knows whether they admit it or not that we are not going to a SB this year with Alex at the helm and based on history of rookie QB's probably not with Mahomes either. But what if there is any chance and I would say there is from just his preseason play alone that he can ignite this team to make it further albeit maybe only even 1 game further would it not be worth taking the road less traveled? Not to mention it gives Mahomes a better chance to hit the ground running next year with the possibility of getting postseason experience in his first year. Are you all really that excited to see another ending like the last 4 years that you know is coming unless by some oddity that Brady, Big Ben and half of Jacksonville's defense got hurt?
I just can't understand the fear that some have that they won't get their little AFC West downyear division winner banner and one extra game. That is just going to increase people's hatred for Alex that while I think a bit irrational I do understand where it is coming from as it is just pent up frustration from watching this team for a long time. Let him go and help the rookie while taking on a 2016 Tony Romo type of role. I would love for Smith to come back to KC as a backup or even some type of coaching maybe some day down the road.

Rausch

11-21-2017, 10:30 PM

We have had 3 games where the offense failed to score more than 17 points so I would not file any of those in the respectable column personally...

Get out of here with that bull$3it.

There is a difference between poor play and playing a good team.

I like Alex as a professional and how he handles himself and these situations as a person. I am grateful that he along with Reid and Dorsey helped make this franchise at least respectable again after the emotion stealing seasons we had recently had prior to 2013.

All this is true and should be pointed out.

But he has served his purpose and it is time to give way to Mahomes.

No, it's not.

I honestly believe PM will be a better QB than Smith.
I honestly believe that PM will be a top 5 QB when his time comes.
I also believe that if Andy knows anything it's how to manage QB's.

Neither Clark nor Andy are "knee-jerk" kind of guys, and that is good.

But what if there is any chance and I would say there is from just his preseason play alone that he can ignite this team to make it further albeit maybe only even 1 game further?

A smart person doesn't risk the future (perhaps a decade of QB stability) for one extra game.

Chiefs Pantalones

11-21-2017, 10:31 PM

I don’t want to bench Alex Smith. What if we go 1-4 in our next 5 games? What if we happen to only score 9 points and lose to a team like the Giants or something crazy like that?

You see how crazy you dumb ****ers sound that think benching him would make things worse?

Rausch

11-21-2017, 10:34 PM

Bewbies

11-21-2017, 10:53 PM

I can't wait to hear people wonder what changed when the line looks awesome with a competent QB standing behind them. LMAO

"Wow, the line looks so much better. Doing X made a big difference!"

ptlyon

11-21-2017, 10:55 PM

I'm not worried abut the team this year - I'm worried about the future of our team...

AMEN YOU FRAULEIN MUTHAFUKKA

Rausch

11-21-2017, 11:23 PM

AMEN YOU FRAULEIN MUTHAFUKKA

You just called me a young woman.

T-post Tom

11-21-2017, 11:24 PM

Trying to help his brother out and create dissension on a division rival. Shame on you sir.

RobBlake

11-22-2017, 03:47 AM

And you would like that. But why? Smith isn't retiring a Chief, and the fans are sick to death of him as a player.
The only positive in that scenario, is that it assures that Mahomes will not sustain an injury.

Nothing more.

Honestly I just wanna see good football. I’m a disgruntled fan for a multitude of reasons. I thoroughly enjoyed beginning of the season as Alex played at his peak. But I’m honestly over it. I would like to see mahomes lead a team. Logically, Andy won’t make that switch unless alex doesn’t improve his play, and chiefs are eliminated

Mizzou_8541

11-22-2017, 06:53 AM

I can't wait to hear people wonder what changed when the line looks awesome with a competent QB standing behind them. LMAO

"Wow, the line looks so much better. Doing X made a big difference!"

Or, rather, true fans saying, “well, if the line played like this for Alex Smith, we’d be super bowl champs!!!”

ARROW2

11-22-2017, 06:59 AM

Or, rather, true fans saying, “well, if the line played like this for Alex Smith, we’d be super bowl champs!!!”

I remember when.upgrading to kyle fucking Orton made the line look better than with cassell. Lol

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-22-2017, 07:02 AM

Or, rather, true fans saying, “well, if the line played like this for Alex Smith, we’d be super bowl champs!!!”

Yep.

And it will spread across the roster:

"Where was ( player X ) when ALEX WAS THE QB"?!?!?!?!?!

And-a boo-hoo-hoo!
And-a wella-wella hey!

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Reerun_KC

11-22-2017, 07:48 AM

You just called me a young woman.

Show us your boobs?

Lzen

11-22-2017, 08:01 AM

ptlyon

11-22-2017, 08:07 AM

You just called me a young woman.

Yes, but in my defense it was German. Was meant to be funny, don't really want to see you in a skirt.

ARROW2

11-22-2017, 08:16 AM

Which games are you calling great? I would say NE, Philly, and Washington. He has played like garbage 3 of the last 5, Pitt, Dallas, and NYG.

played like shit against Denver too.

Lzen

11-22-2017, 08:20 AM

played like shit against Denver too.

I didn't think he played like garbage against Denver. Adequate is what I'd rate that. But that was with my own eyes watching live at the stadium. I don't know what the stats were. Either way, it's obvious that he's regressed to his normal crappy play in November/December. I'm ready to see Mahomes. The only thing is if Andy feels that he's still a little too raw. We're not going anywhere with Alex at the helm, that's for sure.

chiefzilla1501

11-22-2017, 08:35 AM

Red Dawg

11-22-2017, 08:40 AM

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 08:54 AM

Chiefs fan base is sick of two things. One is never being a champion. The second is never having the QB problem solved. Every year of my life it's been an issue with the exception being Green and maybe one year of Joe and that's it. Year after year we are constantly talking about the QB. In many ways it's the only position that matters. Get the right one and you are in the mix every year. The wrong one and you're in purgatory year after year. Mahomes at least is hope.

We don't have a QB problem with Alex Smith. He's a good QB.

Truth is Chiefs fanbase is mostly a bunch of whining b**ches. Years of frustration has made a lot of us that way. I get it but it's kind of pathetic at times.

I didn't think he played like garbage against Denver. Adequate is what I'd rate that. But that was with my own eyes watching live at the stadium. I don't know what the stats were. Either way, it's obvious that he's regressed to his normal crappy play in November/December. I'm ready to see Mahomes. The only thing is if Andy feels that he's still a little too raw. We're not going anywhere with Alex at the helm, that's for sure.

I think that was a good post but that last part is frequently said on here and it drives me nuts because it is simply not true.

First of all we have already gotten to the divisional rd twice with Smitty and won a playoff gm (should have won the Colts playoff gm. Smitty played great) so to say we are not going anywhere with the guy has already been proven false. Not going anywhere is not making the playoffs, making the playoffs is an accomplishment. It's not the ultimate goal and it gets old fast once you get used to it but it always nice to get there.

Second there have been QBs not as good as Alex 'All I do is win' Smith that have won the SB. Most obvious example is the old P Manning that won with the Broncos. Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex. He won it. Russell Wilson isn't much better than Smitty. Big Ben earlier in his career wasn't that great and he certainly isn't having a better season than Alex right now.

So we can win a SB with Smitty, you can win a SB with almost any QB. Football is not an individual sport. So there are ways to win games with pretty much any QB as long as they are good (and that isn't even true look at the old P Manning) which Alex Smith clearly is.

#GoChiefs

OKchiefs

11-22-2017, 09:01 AM

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 09:10 AM

You clearly know more than David Carr...

No I don't know more than him but Reid does and Reid clearly thinks Smitty should be starting.

I am not saying you guys on here don't have a right to disagree with Reids decision to start Smitty over Mahomes. You do. But lets be honest here and realize that you are probably wrong. Reid was a former QB coach for Christs sakes.

Reid also knows a hell of a lot more about where Mahomes is at as an NFL QB than you guys do. If he should be starting, Reid would do it in a heartbeat. Why wouldn't he?

Perineum Ripper

11-22-2017, 09:21 AM

First of all we have already gotten to the divisional rd twice with Smitty and won a playoff gm (should have won the Colts playoff gm. Smitty played great) so to say we are not going anywhere with the guy has already been proven false. Not going anywhere is not making the playoffs, making the playoffs is an accomplishment. It's not the ultimate goal and it gets old fast once you get used to it but it always nice to get there.

Regular season is like sitting in the driveway of the hot girl you have always wanted to bang house

Playoffs is you make it inside her house

Divisional is making it to the bedroom

Super Bowl is getting to bang her like all the porn you watched preparing for this night

Winning is getting to finish on her face and take pictures

If you are not making it to the banging you did nothing but waste time and end up alone and fucking yourself as you cry in the shower

Some of us aren’t happy driving to the house to have popcorn and take a tour of her house like you and others who settle for the participation trophy of making it to the house

BigBeauford

11-22-2017, 09:22 AM

No I don't know more than him but Reid does and Reid clearly thinks Smitty should be starting.

I am not saying you guys on here don't have a right to disagree with Reids decision to start Smitty over Mahomes. You do. But lets be honest here and realize that you are probably wrong. Reid was a former QB coach for Christs sakes.

Reid also knows a hell of a lot more about where Mahomes is at as an NFL QB than you guys do. If he should be starting, Reid would do it in a heartbeat. Why wouldn't he?

Or he doesnt want to admit his mistake with Smith, and would rather be the captain going down with the ship. Its not like this hasnt happened before with Pioli and Cassel.

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 09:26 AM

Or he doesnt want to admit his mistake with Smith, and would rather be the captain going down with the ship. Its not like this hasnt happened before with Pioli and Cassel.

Reid always admits his mistakes and takes the blame. Reid may have a lot of faults but not taking responsibility is certainly not one of them.

Fail post.

Regular season is like sitting in the driveway of the hot girl you have always wanted to bang house

Playoffs is you make it inside her house

Divisional is making it to the bedroom

Super Bowl is getting to bang her like all the porn you watched preparing for this night

Winning is getting to finish on her face and take pictures

If you are not making it to the banging you did nothing but waste time and end up alone and ****ing yourself as you cry in the shower

Some of us aren’t happy driving to the house to have popcorn and take a tour of her house like you and others who settle for the participation trophy of making it to the house

I want to win the SB as much as any fan here but to say we can't accomplish that with Smitty is false. It's been done by other teams with worse QBs. End of the day football is and always will be a team game.

Dartgod

11-22-2017, 09:27 AM

Most obvious example is the old P Manning that won with the Broncos.
Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex. He won it.
Russell Wilson isn't much better than Smitty.
Big Ben earlier in his career wasn't that great and he certainly isn't having a better season than Alex right now.

Gee, I wonder what all of those teams had in common? What could it be? :hmmm:

prhom

11-22-2017, 09:28 AM

So we can win a SB with Smitty, you can win a SB with almost any QB.

#GoChiefs

I think we’ve all agreed at some point over the last few years that Smith COULD win a SB on the right team, in the right situation. I honestly even thought earlier this year we might have such a team this season. However, I think most of us have now realized that the loss of Berry, vaporization of our pass rush, and unfixed run defense have left us with a defense that bears no resemblance to those in years past. A strong, playmaking, scoring defense is one thing that I think Smith must have to win a SB.

So yes, Smith COULD win a SB, but the Chiefs now lack some of the key requirements for him to do so. Mahomes probably won’t win the SB for us this year either. It would take special quarterbacking to overcome our defensive weaknesses. However, Smith sure as hell isnt going to do it or he would have been doing already over the last 5 games.

People’s side in this debate comes down to what kind of personality they have. Think of driving along in your car and you come up to a traffic jam that is moving slowly but not stopped. You are in a place you don’t know very well and don’t have access to google maps. There are side roads leading off all over the place with no traffic on them. You think they will take you where you want to go, but can’t be completely sure. Do you take off and try to find a way around or do you just sit there in traffic moving slowly along and stick it out? This franchise has been sitting in traffic for years and those of us who would take off on the side roads are anxious to get out of the jam and try a new way. We’ve done the slow and steady thing already and it’s boring as hell. Football is supposed to be fun and unpredictable. Let’s have some fun already. You can’t tell me you have been enjoying Chiefs football over the last 5 games.

Lzen

11-22-2017, 09:30 AM

We don't have a QB problem with Alex Smith. He's a good QB.

Truth is Chiefs fanbase is mostly a bunch of whining b**ches. Years of frustration has made a lot of us that way. I get it but it's kind of pathetic at times.

I think that was a good post but that last part is frequently said on here and it drives me nuts because it is simply not true.

First of all we have already gotten to the divisional rd twice with Smitty and won a playoff gm (should have won the Colts playoff gm. Smitty played great) so to say we are not going anywhere with the guy has already been proven false. Not going anywhere is not making the playoffs, making the playoffs is an accomplishment. It's not the ultimate goal and it gets old fast once you get used to it but it always nice to get there.

Second there have been QBs not as good as Alex 'All I do is win in the regular season' Smith that have won the SB. Most obvious example is the old P Manning that won with the Broncos. Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex. He won it. Russell Wilson isn't much better than Smitty. Big Ben earlier in his career wasn't that great and he certainly isn't having a better season than Alex right now.

So we can win a SB with Smitty, you can win a SB with almost any QB. Football is not an individual sport. So there are ways to win games with pretty much any QB as long as they are good (and that isn't even true look at the old P Manning) which Alex Smith clearly is.

#GoChiefs

Look, I can understand your point but I don't entirely agree with it. All of those other QBs you mentioned either were able to step up their games when the pressure was on and/or had good to great defenses. The Chiefs with Smith at QB do not have any of that. After attending the playoff game last year against Pitt last year, I had had enough. I said I would not spend another dime on the team until they addressed the glaring weakness of the QB position. They did that and I was happy. Then Alex played the best of his career to start the season and I got caught up in the excitement. Still, I have always maintained that I was still skeptical that Smith will continue that play in the playoffs. It appears that he has regressed back to his normal below average play well before the playoffs. I have no confidence that he will ever take the Chiefs anywhere.

Also, don't compare Alex with Russel Wilson or any of those other guys. They have proven to have the ability to step up their games and win. Alex has never done that.

Lzen

11-22-2017, 09:32 AM

Or he doesnt want to admit his mistake with Smith, and would rather be the captain going down with the ship. Its not like this hasnt happened before with Pioli and Cassel.

I don't buy this argument. If he didn't want to admit his mistake with Smith then they would not have traded up to draft Mahommes. This argument doesn't pass the logic test.

KChiefs1

11-22-2017, 09:36 AM

Hate Cowherd but he has Alex Smith nailed.

""Alex Smith has done this to us five times, maybe four, maybe six. I'm losing count. When he looks great when the weather's good, September, October, and then when it gets cold, the guy without a great arm, when it's windy, and it's cold, and it's rainy, and it's snowing is average. Every single game he's ever played in the playoffs, except one when he won 30-0 against Brian Hoyer, didn't you think in every one of those games, he's the second-best quarterback on the field?

In his last three playoff games, he's had exactly one touchdown pass in each playoff game. His big playoff win, 30-0, took the opening kickoff for a touchdown did Kansas City against Houston, Brian Hoyer, warm weather, four touchdowns. Here's an interesting stat.

Bill Belichick always says football is about post-Thanksgiving. It's cold, it's wet, it's dreary, it's windy, it is rainy. You've got to be able to play in that weather to win Super Bowls. It doesn't matter how good you are in September and early October.

Here is Alex Smith, 35 degrees and below in his career, 5-7, 60% completion rate, under 200 yards a game, a pathetic 15 touchdowns, 10 picks, and a passer rating of 82. Do you know what his record is when it's 60 or above? His passer rating jumps to 90. His touchdowns and interceptions, 2 to 1 ratio. His record is 40-22.

Am I supposed to believe Alex Smith in the offseason had a bunch of creatinine, and he has totally jacked up now. He can throw a great deep ball. We've seen this multiple times. Certain guys, very good early, those are often guys without the howitzer, without the big arm, without the big frame.

Yet a Joe Flacco can struggle early. But in the playoffs, big strong 6' 5", 245, Joe Flacco has been pretty good. Tom Brady throws a pretty good football in cold weather, is fantastic in December and January.

I've got nothing against Alex Smith. But how much do we know in the NFL for sure? This is the team we love. I've seen Alex Smith play several playoff games late in the season. He always looks like the second-best quarterback on the field.

And if you look at his win-loss record, his completion percentage, his passing yards a game, his passer rating, and his touchdowns in cold weather, which is November, December, and January football, he's below average. Why do we keep getting fooled by stuff? So if this is the team we're absolutely sure is great, you want to make a bet they're not as good December 9th.""

RockChalk

11-22-2017, 09:37 AM

Gee, I wonder what all of those teams had in common? What could it be? :hmmm:

It's pointless to bring facts to PA's attention. He's one of the dumbest homer posters on this board

chiefzilla1501

11-22-2017, 09:43 AM

We don't have a QB problem with Alex Smith. He's a good QB.

Truth is Chiefs fanbase is mostly a bunch of whining b**ches. Years of frustration has made a lot of us that way. I get it but it's kind of pathetic at times.
Until Alex Smith learns how to beat Zone, he is by far the biggest problem in our 5-game slide. He has played poorly in the majority of those games.

First of all we have already gotten to the divisional rd twice with Smitty and won a playoff gm (should have won the Colts playoff gm. Smitty played great) so to say we are not going anywhere with the guy has already been proven false. Not going anywhere is not making the playoffs, making the playoffs is an accomplishment. It's not the ultimate goal and it gets old fast once you get used to it but it always nice to get there.
Second there have been QBs not as good as Alex 'All I do is win in the regular season in the regular season' Smith that have won the SB. Most obvious example is the old P Manning that won with the Broncos. Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex. He won it. Russell Wilson isn't much better than Smitty. Big Ben earlier in his career wasn't that great and he certainly isn't having a better season than Alex right now.

So we can win a SB with Smitty, you can win a SB with almost any QB. Football is not an individual sport. So there are ways to win games with pretty much any QB as long as they are good (and that isn't even true look at the old P Manning) which Alex Smith clearly is.

#GoChiefs

We can do a lot worse than Alex Smith. But is that the intent? What Alex Smith gives us is, when surrounded by an outstanding defense, he gives you a decent shot at a playoff win and a very outside chance at a Super Bowl. I'm happy we had Smith. He got us the playoff win we badly needed. But it's time to move on from him. Now, if we see the Alex Smith from earlier in the year, I'm all aboard. I've always believed he has so much potential if he can ever break out of his consistent habit of game management. But we keep setting ourselves up for the same above average results over and over again. While you point out our playoff successes, most of our playoff losses were a repeat of the same dink and dunk Alex Smith we've been fighting against.

Football isn't an individual sport. So rather than complaining that all our pieces suck, I would ask what Alex Smith is doing to make his offense better. Does he get rid of the ball quickly? Not at all. Does he stretch the defense to give Hunt room to run? No. Does he consistently help his blockers by quickly and consistently spotting the hot read on a blitz? No. Does he give his receivers opportunities to make plays or does he continually reward the safety valve? I think we all see that we have plenty of playmakers on offense, but we have a QB who just can't get it done. I don't want a QB that needs an elite defense to win games. We need a QB who can carry our team a few times too.

I'm cool with giving him the rest of the season. I'll do cartwheels if he figures this thing out and good thing we're hitting this wall early. Unfortunately, I don't know that this is a problem Alex can wiggle his way out of. The only way for Alex Smith to beat this slump is to stop being Alex Smith.

ptlyon

11-22-2017, 09:44 AM

Reid always admits his mistakes and takes the blame. Reid may have a lot of faults but not taking responsibility is certainly not one of them.

Fail post.

Good thing you're not a chick, otherwise you'd fall for the "I promise not to cum in your mouth" line every time.

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 09:46 AM

Look, I can understand your point but I don't entirely agree with it. All of those other QBs you mentioned either were able to step up their games when the pressure was on and/or had good to great defenses. The Chiefs with Smith at QB do not have any of that. After attending the playoff game last year against Pitt last year, I had had enough. I said I would not spend another dime on the team until they addressed the glaring weakness of the QB position. They did that and I was happy. Then Alex played the best of his career to start the season and I got caught up in the excitement. Still, I have always maintained that I was still skeptical that Smith will continue that play in the playoffs. It appears that he has regressed back to his normal below average play well before the playoffs. I have no confidence that he will ever take the Chiefs anywhere.

Also, don't compare Alex with Russel Wilson or any of those other guys. They have proven to have the ability to step up their games and win. Alex has never done that.

I understand your frustration man. Believe me I get it but there are plenty of ways to win a SB. Blaming one player, who is clearly a good QB, in a team game like football for a teams failures isn't fair.

We didn't lose that Steelers game because of Alex Smith. He had a bad game but overall he played pretty much just as well as Big Ben did. Difference was Bell ran all over us while our running game was pretty much nonexistent.

And Alex Smith has stepped his game up in the playoffs plenty of times. Check out his playoff stats. They speak for themselves.

The Franchise

11-22-2017, 10:09 AM

I understand your frustration man.

Do you? How long have you been a Chiefs fan?

chiefzilla1501

11-22-2017, 10:16 AM

I understand your frustration man. Believe me I get it but there are plenty of ways to win a SB. Blaming one player, who is clearly a good QB, in a team game like football for a teams failures isn't fair.

We didn't lose that Steelers game because of Alex Smith. He had a bad game but overall he played pretty much just as well as Big Ben did. Difference was Bell ran all over us while our running game was pretty much nonexistent.

And Alex Smith has stepped his game up in the playoffs plenty of times. Check out his playoff stats. They speak for themselves.

I don't know how anyone can watch our steelers playoff loss and not believe that Alex Smith was by far the #1 reason we lost. Of course it isn't the only reason. But it was the main reason.

Easy 6

11-22-2017, 10:23 AM

Seems pretty wild for a QB to come out and throw a former teammate under the bus like that, he better not be expecting a Christmas card from the Smith household this year

I know Reid benched McNabb and others, but its just hard to see him doing it in this instance IMO

pugsnotdrugs19

11-22-2017, 10:27 AM

Cowherd did nail it.

RealSNR

11-22-2017, 10:35 AM

I understand your frustration man. Believe me I get it but there are plenty of ways to win a SB. Blaming one player, who is clearly a good QB, in a team game like football for a teams failures isn't fair.

We didn't lose that Steelers game because of Alex Smith. He had a bad game but overall he played pretty much just as well as Big Ben did. Difference was Bell ran all over us while our running game was pretty much nonexistent.

And Alex Smith has stepped his game up in the playoffs plenty of times. Check out his playoff stats. They speak for themselves.

"We didn't lose because of Alex."

"Alex had a bad game."

Which one is it?

Best22

11-22-2017, 10:35 AM

Or he doesnt want to admit his mistake with Smith, and would rather be the captain going down with the ship. Its not like this hasnt happened before with Pioli and Cassel.

Then why did he draft Mahomes? He could have gotten a shiny toy for Alex but instead he traded up for a quarterback. If he wanted to "go down with the ship" he never would have got Mahomes for there to be controversy in the first place.

The Franchise

11-22-2017, 10:36 AM

"We didn't lose because of Alex."

"Alex had a bad game."

Which one is it?

When Alex has a bad game and we lose.....then the blame is on the entire team.

When Alex has a good game and we lose....the blame falls on someone else.

When Alex has a good game and we win.....ALL ALEX DOES IS WIN!!!!

BleedingRed

11-22-2017, 10:42 AM

It's time.................

Reerun_KC

11-22-2017, 10:42 AM

Who let Carl Peterson register an account?

RealSNR

11-22-2017, 10:42 AM

PAChiefsguy, do you think Alex deserves to stick around as the starter in 2018 in spite of his drop off in play as well as how much he's going to cost the team?

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 10:49 AM

I don't know how anyone can watch our steelers playoff loss and not believe that Alex Smith was by far the #1 reason we lost. Of course it isn't the only reason. But it was the main reason.

i disagree. Our run defense was horrible and I'd say at least just as much of a reason for the loss as Smith was.. Tell me how many playoff teams have won when the opposing team has an RB that runs for 170 yds? I can't tell you the exact answer but I know it is not many. Not to mention we had a ton of dropped balls

Smittys stats were pretty much just as good as Big Bens and Smiths INT wasn't even his fault. It was a caused by pressure. He still had a bad game but it wasn't as bad as many on here are making it out to be. The year the Seahawks won the SB Russel Wilson had a game much worse than Smith's Steelers game.

chiefzilla1501

11-22-2017, 11:14 AM

i disagree. Our run defense was horrible and I'd say at least just as much of a reason for the loss as Smith was.. Tell me how many playoff teams have won when the opposing team has an RB that runs for 170 yds? I can't tell you the exact answer but I know it is not many. Not to mention we had a ton of dropped balls

Smittys stats were pretty much just as good as Big Bens and Smiths INT wasn't even his fault. It was a caused by pressure. He still had a bad game but it wasn't as bad as many on here are making it out to be. The year the Seahawks won the SB Russel Wilson had a game much worse than Smith's Steelers game.

Russell wilson has played in 12 playoff games. Only once has he scored less than 20 points. Get out of here with this shit about that performance being anything like Russell Wilsons playoff experience. Alex Smith has played in half the playoff games and has twice as many games under 20 (if not for the new england garbage td at the end, it would be half). If your qb can't put up 20 at home in the playoffs, that is not a good performance.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00/gamelog/post/

dls6501

11-22-2017, 12:04 PM

Second there have been QBs not as good as Alex 'All I do is win in the regular season' Smith that have won the SB. Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex. He won it.

While its all fine and dandy that you think Smith is better than him (and I dont really care to get into that debate with you), it is an indisputable fact that Flacco played at a higher level in the 2012 playoffs than Alex has played in ANY four game stretch in his entire career.

Flacco won the Superbowl for his team. He wasnt carried the way Alex was his only Chiefs playoff win.

dls6501

11-22-2017, 12:13 PM

Tell me how many playoff teams have won when the opposing team has an RB that runs for 170 yds? I can't tell you the exact answer but I know it is not many.

Tell me how many playoff teams have won when the opposing team didnt score a touchdown. I cant tell you the exact number, but know it is an overwhelming majority.

Marcellus

11-22-2017, 12:19 PM

I'm not worried abut the team this year - I'm worried about the future of our team...

Then its time to start Mahomes. 6 games experience more he will have heading into next season.

JFC people this kid isn't made of glass and he is mobile as hell.

Reerun_KC

11-22-2017, 12:21 PM

Then its time to start Mahomes. 6 games experience more he will have heading into next season.

JFC people this kid isn't made of glass and he is mobile as hell.

True fan Syndrome.

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 12:29 PM

Tell me how many playoff teams have won when the opposing team didnt score a touchdown. I cant tell you the exact number, but know it is an overwhelming majority.

They scored 18-pts. Stop acting like they scored 6 and call it what it is.

Easy 6

11-22-2017, 12:32 PM

PAChiefsguy, do you think Alex deserves to stick around as the starter in 2018 in spite of his drop off in play as well as how much he's going to cost the team?

They scored 18-pts. Stop acting like they scored 6 and call it what it is.

Go ahead and answer the question

TLO

11-22-2017, 12:36 PM

MAHOMES MAHOMES MAHOMES!

TLO

11-22-2017, 12:36 PM

MUH-HOMES

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 12:37 PM

Go ahead and answer the question

Doesn't matter what I think. I said before I trust Reid to make those decisions. Unlike you guys I don't think I am know more about QBs than a HOF HC who used to be a QB coach.

So I am not worried about the QBs. Reid will do what is right for the team. There are other areas of the team I am much more concerned about.

The Franchise

11-22-2017, 12:38 PM

Doesn't matter what I think. I said before I trust Reid to make those decisions. Unlike you guys I don't think I am know more about QBs than a HOF HC who used to be a QB coach.

So I am not worried about the QBs. Reid will do what is right for the team. There are other areas of the team I am much more concerned about.

So will you follow Smith to his next team?

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 12:40 PM

Russell wilson has played in 12 playoff games. Only once has he scored less than 20 points. Get out of here with this shit about that performance being anything like Russell Wilsons playoff experience. Alex Smith has played in half the playoff games and has twice as many games under 20 (if not for the new england garbage td at the end, it would be half). If your qb can't put up 20 at home in the playoffs, that is not a good performance.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00/gamelog/post/

Reread my post. I said he had a horrible playoff gm when the Seahawks won the SB and it was worse than the game Smitty had against the Steelers. It is the truth.

Here are Russel Wilsons stats against the Saints in the divisional rd when the Seahawks won 23-15

9/18, 103 yds, 50 compl %, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 47.9 QB Rating, 3 rush, 16 yds

Luckily Marshawn Lynch played great and Seahawks #1 D held the Saints to 15-pts so they won. The point I was trying to make is you can win playoff games in a variety of ways. If Smitty is struggling in a playoff gm the ability to run the football/stop the run is huge. We are going to need that cause everyone knows I like Smitty but he's more than likely not going to go out and light it up all the time..

So while I agree with you that Smitty deserves a lot of the blame for that Steelers loss lets not act like he can't win the SB or that one playoff game means he sucks. Now if he was always playing like that in the playoffs you would have a point but we both know that is not the case.

So will you follow Smith to his next team?

No more than I would any other Chiefs QB that leaves.

I was a Chiefs fan long before Smitty came here. If I was a Alex Only fan I'd tell you. Don't care what anyone here thinks about me.

RunKC

11-22-2017, 12:42 PM

The Franchise

11-22-2017, 12:45 PM

LeVeon Bell: 0 TD's
Big Ben: 0 TD's
Antonio Brown: 0 TD's
Steelers offense:0 TD's

It doesn't matter, man. The narrative will always be about how the defense allowed 170 rushing yards and 18 points. They will never back off of that stance.

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 12:56 PM

LeVeon Bell: 0 TD's
Big Ben: 0 TD's
Antonio Brown: 0 TD's
Steelers offense:0 TD's

Our D did a fantastic job in the red zone but other than that they got dominated by the run game. I'm not saying they were bad overall but they certainly did not do a good job stopping the run.

If you are going to criticize Smitty for his playoff performance cool but don't throw a hissy fit when someone criticizes another part of the team because you hate Alex Smith.

Best22

11-22-2017, 02:30 PM

LeVeon Bell: 0 TD's
Big Ben: 0 TD's
Antonio Brown: 0 TD's
Steelers offense:0 TD's

Both sides of the ball were garbage

Proof that we needed not only a quarterback but also defensive talent

Reerun_KC

11-22-2017, 02:32 PM

MAHOMES MAHOMES MAHOMES!

This.

Reerun_KC

11-22-2017, 02:32 PM

MUH-HOMES

More of this!

RippedmyFlesh

11-22-2017, 02:38 PM

Our D did a fantastic job in the red zone but other than that they got dominated by the run game. I'm not saying they were bad overall but they certainly did not do a good job stopping the run.

If you are going to criticize Smitty for his playoff performance cool but don't throw a hissy fit when someone criticizes another part of the team because you hate Alex Smith.

When a playoff opponent is held to 18 points you have to win. The defense kept them under 20 so they did their job regardless of "stats".

bigjosh

11-22-2017, 02:43 PM

When a playoff opponent is held to 18 points you have to win. The defense kept them under 20 so they did their job regardless of "stats".

Kind of like when your defense holds the bottom feeder giants to 9 points.

Chief3188

11-22-2017, 02:54 PM

Kind of like when your defense holds the bottom feeder giants to 9 points.

With your offense giving up 2 turnovers inside their own 50 that resulted in 6 of those points.

Bottom damn line is Smith didn’t do his job during the Steelers, Cowboys and Giants game. While he did do enough in the Oakland game he also came up short in the clutch when all we needed was one first down.

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-22-2017, 03:07 PM

Does PA Reidbot ever think for himself?

Or does he just mosey over to KCC.com and get his marching orders from that dumb whore Suzi Kolber?

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-22-2017, 03:21 PM

Or he doesnt want to admit his mistake with Smith, and would rather be the captain going down with the ship. Its not like this hasnt happened before with Pioli and Cassel.

I'm just glad that SOMEONE( Veach )at One Arrowhead Drive took a look at the last 30+ years of Chiefs QB dumbfuckery and said, "fuck THAT shit, no team under MY watch is going to be this retarded and archaic".

Then its time to start Mahomes. 6 games experience more he will have heading into next season.

JFC people this kid isn't made of glass and he is mobile as hell.

You and I have disagreed on the football for a long, long time. That said, I am really thrilled to see you and others not only seeing the light, but running like a scalded dog straight in to the motherfucker at light speed.

I'm sure a lot of people believe that my only football joy in life is running around CP with rockets firing from my ass, blasting anything and everything the franchise does, but it's simply not true.
I just decided that there was absolutely NO point in making any further emotional investments in the franchise for as long as they continued to do the same stupid shit over and over.
Now that we're reaching the end of that sad, sad state of affairs, I am getting more and more excited with each passing day about the new era we are getting ready to embark upon. I'm not sorry about casting the Smith era Chiefs to the side, as I knew there was no point in even TRYING to accept it or be happy about it. Same old movie, same old ending.

I just want to blast through the rest of this season, forget about it, and get ready to start reading anything and everything Chiefs once Mahomes takes over. And finally, when we get to camp and pre season, I'm going to dust off the old gear, set my mind right, and join the fucking Chiefs Army as we march through the AFCW and beyond all Warsaw Ghetto-style with no fucks or mercy given.

That's where I'm at.

WhiteWhale

11-22-2017, 03:40 PM

Then its time to start Mahomes. 6 games experience more he will have heading into next season.

JFC people this kid isn't made of glass and he is mobile as hell.

That's true, but Mahomes' style DOES put his body at extra risk.

Just playing devil's advocate. I'm 100% on the Mahomes wagon.

WhiteWhale

11-22-2017, 03:43 PM

Our D did a fantastic job in the red zone but other than that they got dominated by the run game. I'm not saying they were bad overall but they certainly did not do a good job stopping the run.

If you are going to criticize Smitty for his playoff performance cool but don't throw a hissy fit when someone criticizes another part of the team because you hate Alex Smith.

How do you win games in the NFL?

Does it involve scoring touchdowns and not allowing touchdowns?

Did they start awarding points for rushing yards? Is this fantasy football?

hitchief

11-22-2017, 04:17 PM

When a playoff opponent is held to 18 points you have to win. The defense kept them under 20 so they did their job regardless of "stats".

sure, I agree with that but on the other hand a team should win a playoff game when scoring 44 don't you think.

But I seem to remember most of you crying ass babies blaming that on Alex.

So get your story straight and stop your bitching/crying after every dam loss, its getting super old.

BigCatDaddy

11-22-2017, 04:50 PM

sure, I agree with that but on the other hand a team should win a playoff game when scoring 44 don't you think.

But I seem to remember most of you crying ass babies blaming that on Alex.

So get your story straight and stop your bitching/crying after every dam loss, its getting super old.

Another Shitty only fan ^

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 05:54 PM

How do you win games in the NFL?

Does it involve scoring touchdowns and not allowing touchdowns?

Did they start awarding points for rushing yards? Is this fantasy football?

These are stupid questions and I am not going to answer them.

The Alex Smith haters criticize him for everything and anything. It is always his fault if the offense doesn't do well. Doesn't matter how many drops, bad run game, bad offensive line play etc. Alright fine he's the leader of the offense he is supposed to take most of the blame. But when I criticize the defense for not doing against the run the Alex Smith haters defend the defense to the death.

The run defense was horrible. It allowed the Steelers to eat up the clock and get into the redzone 6-times. Our redzone D was great and 18-pts isn't a lot but don't act like our defense dominated the Steelers, they didn't, not even close.

Got to love the double standards which is common on ChiefsPlanet - The Home Of The Alex Smith Haters.

OKchiefs

11-22-2017, 06:21 PM

Gravedigger

11-22-2017, 06:26 PM

How many dink and dunk offenses are winning Super Bowls nowadays?

prhom

11-22-2017, 07:16 PM

That's true, but Mahomes' style DOES put his body at extra risk.

Just playing devil's advocate. I'm 100% on the Mahomes wagon.

Another way to look at the injury risk is that if he DOES get hurt due to prolonging a play when he shouldn’t or running around, wouldn’t we want him to learn that lesson this season since things aren’t looking so good? He would have all offseason to heal. If he goes out next year and gets hurt week 1 and is out for the season due to dumbassery on his part that would be really disappointing.

JakeF

11-22-2017, 07:23 PM

Just do it, then the excuses for Reid will be at an end.

bigjosh

11-22-2017, 07:31 PM

These are stupid questions and I am not going to answer them.

The Alex Smith haters criticize him for everything and anything. It is always his fault if the offense doesn't do well. Doesn't matter how many drops, bad run game, bad offensive line play etc. Alright fine he's the leader of the offense he is supposed to take most of the blame. But when I criticize the defense for not doing against the run the Alex Smith haters defend the defense to the death.

The run defense was horrible. It allowed the Steelers to eat up the clock and get into the redzone 6-times. Our redzone D was great and 18-pts isn't a lot but don't act like our defense dominated the Steelers, they didn't, not even close.

Got to love the double standards which is common on ChiefsPlanet - The Home Of The Alex Smith Haters.

I will help you a little.

Points are what counts.

Alex Smith is the leader of the side of the ball that is supposed to score points.

The defense is supposed to keep the other team from scoring points.

It doesnt matter if the opposing team has 1500 yards in a game, if they score 9 points.

It doesnt matter if Alex Smith is responsible for 150 yards if it leads them to 31 points.

The problem is that the defense Let up 9 points four days ago, and Alex couldn't will his side of the team to 4 fucking field goals against the 2nd worst defense in the league.

The problem is that the Steelers didnt score a single touchdown in an entire playoff game, and still won because Alex Smiths offense couldn't score 19 at home.

The biggest problem is cucks like you blaming the offensive line when the tape shows a scared bitch with happy feet in a clean pocket constantly.

The biggest problem is cucks like you blaming the receiving corps when there is a ton of video evidence showing them running wide open down the field.

I really hope we get to see the chiefs on one of these spider cam games so that the masses can see all of the wide open shots this guy misses.

beach tribe

11-22-2017, 08:10 PM

I think it is Hilarious that is was the general consensus of the board and in the media that Alex would be Alex an Mahomes would take over in 2018.

Then Alex went apeshit and started getting MVP talk, only to have his nuts draw back up inside his vag, and now Everyone is calling for his head.

His early season success showed KC what a real QB is suppose to look like and when the real Alex returned everyone was like FUCK THIS SHIT!!!!

LOLOLOLOLLOL

beach tribe

11-22-2017, 08:13 PM

pugsnotdrugs19

11-22-2017, 08:29 PM

Chris Simms: Chiefs should replace Smith with Mahomes if he can't turn offense around Sunday
Video ---> http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2745479-simms-give-smith-one-more-week-to-turn-around-chiefs-before-starting-mahomes

Reerun_KC

11-22-2017, 08:37 PM

Does PA Reidbot ever think for himself?

Or does he just mosey over to KCC.com and get his marching orders from that dumb whore Suzi Kolber?

What would you expect from Carl.

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 08:49 PM

I will help you a little.

Points are what counts.

Alex Smith is the leader of the side of the ball that is supposed to score points.

The defense is supposed to keep the other team from scoring points.

It doesnt matter if the opposing team has 1500 yards in a game, if they score 9 points.

It doesnt matter if Alex Smith is responsible for 150 yards if it leads them to 31 points.

The problem is that the defense Let up 9 points four days ago, and Alex couldn't will his side of the team to 4 ****ing field goals against the 2nd worst defense in the league.

The problem is that the Steelers didnt score a single touchdown in an entire playoff game, and still won because Alex Smiths offense couldn't score 19 at home.

The biggest problem is cucks like you blaming the offensive line when the tape shows a scared bitch with happy feet in a clean pocket constantly.

The biggest problem is cucks like you blaming the receiving corps when there is a ton of video evidence showing them running wide open down the field.

I really hope we get to see the chiefs on one of these spider cam games so that the masses can see all of the wide open shots this guy misses.

I didn't hear even close to this much criticism when our defense allowed the Colts to score 45-pts in a playoff gm. Maybe because it doesn't involve criticizing Smitty?

Hmmmmmm.

BigCatDaddy

11-22-2017, 08:53 PM

I didn't hear even close to this much criticism when our defense allowed the Colts to score 45-pts in a playoff gm. Maybe because it doesn't involve criticizing Smitty?

Hmmmmmm.

Seen this post and it got me thinking about other CP ****ing morons.. Whatever happened to Penbrook? Last activity 10/24.

bigjosh

11-22-2017, 08:55 PM

I didn't hear even close to this much criticism when our defense allowed the Colts to score 45-pts in a playoff gm. Maybe because it doesn't involve criticizing Smitty?

Hmmmmmm.

What did smith do to close out that game when it mattered? 3 possessions at the end for 3 and out?

Also, 4 seasons of mediocrity is not wiped out by one good performance from 4 years ago in a playoff loss. He has not once been responsible for carrying this team to a victory.

Any good/great QBs you can say "he was responsible for at least 4 wins himself this season." I cannot remember ever saying that about Alex Smith honestly.

I am happy that Smith helped bring this team back to respectability the last few years, but he has done as much as he is ever going to and his time here is done.

bigjosh

11-22-2017, 08:56 PM

See this post got me thinking about other CP fucking morons.. Whatever happened to Penbrook? Last activity 10/24.

He threw a tantrum and left forever didnt he?

BigCatDaddy

11-22-2017, 09:03 PM

He threw a tantrum and left forever didnt he?

Not sure. We need to pitch in and donate some hookers and blow to the heroic figure that motivated his departure.

PAChiefsGuy

11-22-2017, 09:16 PM

What did smith do to close out that game when it mattered? 3 possessions at the end for 3 and out?

Also, 4 seasons of mediocrity is not wiped out by one good performance from 4 years ago in a playoff loss. He has not once been responsible for carrying this team to a victory.

Any good/great QBs you can say "he was responsible for at least 4 wins himself this season." I cannot remember ever saying that about Alex Smith honestly.

I am happy that Smith helped bring this team back to respectability the last few years, but he has done as much as he is ever going to and his time here is done.

You just proved my point buddy. Thanks.

bigjosh

11-22-2017, 09:18 PM

You just proved my point buddy. Thanks.

And people were certainly critisizing the shit out of the defense after that game. have you been here that long yet?

WhiteWhale

11-22-2017, 10:12 PM

These are stupid questions and I am not going to answer them.

The Alex Smith haters criticize him for everything and anything. It is always his fault if the offense doesn't do well. Doesn't matter how many drops, bad run game, bad offensive line play etc. Alright fine he's the leader of the offense he is supposed to take most of the blame. But when I criticize the defense for not doing against the run the Alex Smith haters defend the defense to the death.

The run defense was horrible. It allowed the Steelers to eat up the clock and get into the redzone 6-times. Our redzone D was great and 18-pts isn't a lot but don't act like our defense dominated the Steelers, they didn't, not even close.

Got to love the double standards which is common on ChiefsPlanet - The Home Of The Alex Smith Haters.

I don't have to act like anything.

I said after the game that a good offense would have scored 30+ on that swiss cheese defense, and said Brady would throw for 350 and score 30+ easily. Guys were open, the D wasn't good by Pitt at all.

What happened when a real QB went against the Steelers the following week?

Alex is a gimmick QB. He runs a gimmick offense. Option read this, screen pass that. He sucks at dropping back, reading a defense, and delivering the ball.

I don't hate him, I just think he's a timid QB who overanalyzes things and suffers from paralysis by analysis half of the time he drops back and is expected to make a post snap read and the throw the ball.

stevieray

11-22-2017, 10:15 PM

a real QB ?

.

false narrative

WhiteWhale

11-22-2017, 10:20 PM

false narrative

Dumb post

chiefzilla1501

11-22-2017, 10:21 PM

I didn't hear even close to this much criticism when our defense allowed the Colts to score 45-pts in a playoff gm. Maybe because it doesn't involve criticizing Smitty?

Hmmmmmm.

You also didn't hear much criticism when the Chiefs offense was rolling early in the year. Most people on Cp are happy to compliment and embrace good Alex Smith. But good Alex Smith usually shows up a few consecutive games in a year. We don't like game manager Alex Smith even if it wins games (we don't think that wins enough games that matter). And we sure as hell don't support this horrible version of Alex Smith who can't even beat a simple zone defense.

stevieray

11-22-2017, 10:25 PM

Dumb post

I agree, your point sucks.

"REAL QB"

:rolleyes:

bigjosh

11-22-2017, 10:27 PM

Not sure. We need to pitch in and donate some hookers and blow to the heroic figure that motivated his departure.

Shit I was wrong. My mistake. The Smith White Knight in this thread is the one that was leaving forever.

You know you are right which is why I am not going to be posting here anymore. It's been fun for the most ChiefsPlanet. Peace y'all

Go Chiefs!

WhiteWhale

11-22-2017, 10:29 PM

I agree, your point sucks.

"REAL QB"

:rolleyes:

The two words you quoted doesn't represent a point.

It represents a childish simple mind cherry picking two words and trying to grandstand on it.

Alex played like trash in the game.

stevieray

11-22-2017, 10:31 PM

Alex played like trash in the game.

the whole team played like shit.

...try harder.

BigCatDaddy

11-22-2017, 10:43 PM

Shit I was wrong. My mistake. The Smith White Knight in this thread is the one that was leaving forever.

He received a massive amount of PMs begging him to stay LMAO

bigjosh

11-22-2017, 11:13 PM

He received a massive amount of PMs begging him to stay LMAO

ROFLROFL

That being said, penbrook is probably grounded and not allowed to use the internet for a few weeks or something.

chiefzilla1501

11-22-2017, 11:27 PM

the whole team played like shit.

...try harder.

Can't wait for a real qb to come in so we can prove once and for all how wrong this idea is. Our receivers play like shit because our qb won't throw them the ball, including one of the most explosive receivers in the game. Our RB is struggling because defenses are loading 8 in a box. Our ol is struggling because our qb can't stretch a simple cover 2. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that defenses are specifically scheming against our qbs limitations.

This is football. It's a team sport but the qb is by far the most influential piece. And in the last 5 games, our qb has played like complete dog shit.

NWTF

11-23-2017, 12:17 AM

I don't have to act like anything.

I said after the game that a good offense would have scored 30+ on that swiss cheese defense, and said Brady would throw for 350 and score 30+ easily. Guys were open, the D wasn't good by Pitt at all.

What happened when a real QB went against the Steelers the following week?

Alex is a gimmick QB. He runs a gimmick offense. Option read this, screen pass that. He sucks at dropping back, reading a defense, and delivering the ball.

I don't hate him, I just think he's a timid QB who overanalyzes things and suffers from paralysis by analysis half of the time he drops back and is expected to make a post snap read and the throw the ball.

Totally agree. He absolutely needs a running game to be comfortable in the passing game. Andy has circumvented the issue of lack of a running game at times with misdirection, quick bubble screens, delayed shovel passes, gimmick/trick plays, etc, ala smoke and mirrors, but it isnt working now.

Its like what some commentator said last week. They really have no offensive identity right now .....other than trick plays.

Sandy Vagina

11-23-2017, 08:32 AM

Totally agree. He absolutely needs a running game to be comfortable in the passing game. Andy has circumvented the issue of lack of a running game at times with misdirection, quick bubble screens, delayed shovel passes, gimmick/trick plays, etc, ala smoke and mirrors, but it isnt working now.

Its like what some commentator said last week. They really have no offensive identity right now .....other than trick plays.

Someone that is remotely impartial should look deeper into how well most QBs perform when they have minimal run game to balance the offense.

Who is willing, and not the slackass that I am. :)

PAChiefsGuy

11-23-2017, 08:44 AM

You also didn't hear much criticism when the Chiefs offense was rolling early in the year. Most people on Cp are happy to compliment and embrace good Alex Smith. But good Alex Smith usually shows up a few consecutive games in a year. We don't like game manager Alex Smith even if it wins games (we don't think that wins enough games that matter). And we sure as hell don't support this horrible version of Alex Smith who can't even beat a simple zone defense.

It's the same QB. You think he forgot how to play football in a couple wks?

It is not a simple zone defense. If you think it is so easy, you go out and you try beating it. Defenses are disguising it well and confusing him. And it is not just the passing game that is struggling, our running game is horrible right now. Teams are not stacking the box, zone D gets killed when you do that they are running a base zone D. Our running has got to improve as well posters here just don't like to talk about that because it does not involve criticizing Smitty.

Reid deserves blame too he's the one who is calling the plays. Reid will figure the zone D out. Reid and Smitty are both too good not to.

I'm confident things will change. What defenses are trying is working right now but it will not work forever. Smitty will get back on track. I'm actually glad it is happening now. Gives us time to figure it out before the playoffs start.

A lot of you just like to panic like a nuclear war is going to happen because of a few bad games. Either they will figure it out and get this ship going in the right direction but even if they don't we have Mahomes for next season so it is not the end of the world. Either way, life goes on.

milkman

11-23-2017, 08:51 AM

PAChiefsGuy

11-23-2017, 08:57 AM

Seriously dumbass, it's a cover 2.

If Alex Smith was half as smart as most seem to think he is, he should have had it figured out 10 years ago.

F**k you b**ch.. Learn how to read. I never said it wasn't cover 2 I said they were disguising it.

Like I said either way, Reid will eventually figure it out. He's too good a HC not to

chiefzilla1501

11-23-2017, 09:05 AM

It's the same QB. You think he forgot how to play football in a couple wks?

It is not a simple zone defense. If you think it is so easy, you go out and you try beating it. Defenses are disguising it well and confusing him. And it is not just the passing game that is struggling, our running game is horrible right now. Teams are not stacking the box, zone D gets killed when you do that they are running a base zone D. Our running has got to improve as well posters here just don't like to talk about that because it does not involve criticizing Smitty.

Reid deserves blame too he's the one who is calling the plays. Reid will figure the zone D out. Reid and Smitty are both too good not to.

I'm confident things will change. What defenses are trying is working right now but it will not work forever. Smitty will get back on track. I'm actually glad it is happening now. Gives us time to figure it out before the playoffs start.

A lot of you just like to panic like a nuclear war is going to happen because of a few bad games. Either they will figure it out and get this ship going in the right direction but even if they don't we have Mahomes for next season so it is not the end of the world. Either way, life goes on.

This is not the same qb. Alex is playing like a totally different qb. And it started in Pittsburgh when they ran zone blitz. Teams have schemed against our gimmicks. That shovel pass to Kelce and the misdirections don't fool anyone anymore. And our qb isn't making the right reads pre snap. When he doesn't know where to go he has terrible pocket presence and tends to slide into pressure. And as we all know if he doesn't like his primary read he immediately moves to check down.

Defenses went back to what was stopping him in the past. They're stacking against the run. They're abandoning all deep zones and focusing exclusively on the flats. When you play with such a ridiculously short field, you can be a hell of a lot more aggressive at rushing the passer. Playing zone doesn't mean playing passive. The steelers beat us because they played aggressive zone with a lot of disguise and other teams are copycatting them. And it's working.

And we all know the solution that Alex will never do. Be aggressive, take some chances, throw the ball in tight windows on timing routes, stretch the field to keep the defense honest. Teams are abandoning deep zones and we're still relying exclusively on this checkdown nonsense. Playcalling did a great job masking Alex Smith early in the year. But playcalling isn't going to Loosen up the defense. That is squarely on Alex Smith to be a little less Alex Smith. We know he's capable of doing it and that's the frustrating part. He just won't do it because it's not the safe thing to do.

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 09:07 AM

RunKC

11-23-2017, 09:10 AM

F**k you b**ch.. Learn how to read. I never said it wasn't cover 2 I said they were disguising it.

Like I said either way, Reid will eventually figure it out. He's too good a HC not to

Andy has figured it out. There's guys wide open and we see that on film.

His QB isn't figuring it out on the field.

PAChiefsGuy

11-23-2017, 09:11 AM

If you're still hoping for Alex to turn back into the guy we saw the first month of the season, you're like a little kid hoping the dog that ran away a month ago comes back home... hell, its more like hoping the dog comes back to life that you watched die with your own eyes.

It's over. Alex Smith is who he is and it will never change. This team will not be able to win when it counts most with him.

Right because football is a 1-on-1 sport and Alex Smith plays defense and special teams.

F**k out of here with that BS. If Broncos can win a SB with an old limp d**k Peyton Manning then you can win a SB in the NFL with pretty much any half decent QB.

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 09:12 AM

milkman

11-23-2017, 09:17 AM

F**k you b**ch.. Learn how to read. I never said it wasn't cover 2 I said they were disguising it.

Like I said either way, Reid will eventually figure it out. He's too good a HC not to

And your dumbass QB is getting outsmarted, because he is isn't nearly as smart as you useless fucking bitches think he is.

He's a mediocre, dumbass QB.

RunKC

11-23-2017, 09:18 AM

Right because football is a 1-on-1 sport and Alex Smith plays defense and special teams.

F**k out of here with that BS. If Broncos can win a SB with an old limp d**k Peyton Manning then you can win a SB in the NFL with pretty much any half decent QB.

Alex Smith lost a game where his defense gave up ZERO TD's last year. He just lost a game where his sense gave up 12 points.

7 of 9 Chiefs losses the last 2 years were when the Chiefs gave up 19 points or less.

Quit being stupid, dumbass.

RealSNR

11-23-2017, 09:21 AM

My favorite is the claim that Gigabytes is the smartest pre-snap QB in the NFL.

Is that why he frequently fails to see overload blitzes off the line and isn't given any audibles or options out of plays by his coaches?

PAChiefsGuy

11-23-2017, 09:28 AM

So tell me guys, since you know, Chiefs are so good without Alex 'All I Do Is Win' Smith. When is the last time Chiefs, before Alex Smith was here, won a SB and when is the last time Chiefs won a playoff game? Not including the one with Alex.

Cause you know, if Chiefs are such a great organization and Alex is the one holding this organization back I'd think the answers to these questions would fairly straight forward.

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 09:31 AM

RunKC

11-23-2017, 09:31 AM

Rausch

11-23-2017, 09:34 AM

Alex hasn't changed anything about this franchise since he stepped foot here.

He doesn't need to do anything other than play well enough not to lose and not kill any WR's between now and next season...

PAChiefsGuy

11-23-2017, 09:35 AM

Alex hasn't changed anything about this franchise since he stepped foot here.

He hasn't change anything? Really? So the Chiefs were making the playoffs every year before he got here? Cause with him here we've made it 3 out of the 4 years (75%). I don't remember the Chiefs doing that since the Marty years.

Pathetic.

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 09:38 AM

He hasn't change anything? Really? So the Chiefs were making the playoffs every year before he got here? Cause with him here we've made it 3 out of the 4 years (75%). I don't remember the Chiefs doing that since the Marty years.

Pathetic.

The Chiefs had one of the most talented rosters in the league for all of those years, you numbnuts. Andy Reid leading that crew makes the playoffs a fairly easy goal to reach.

Pumpkin did a nice job managing them to the playoffs. But then....

milkman

11-23-2017, 09:38 AM

He hasn't change anything? Really? So the Chiefs were making the playoffs every year before he got here? Cause with him here we've made it 3 out of the 4 years (75%). I don't remember the Chiefs doing that since the Marty years.

Pathetic.

Smith didn't change anything.

Andy Reid did.

Smith is just the asphalt that filled the hole in the street.

Now the street needs to be fully repaved.

RunKC

11-23-2017, 09:38 AM

milkman

11-23-2017, 09:40 AM

Sandy Vagina

11-23-2017, 09:42 AM

Andy. Reid.

So would you classify Andy Reid a good coach for..

- forgetting his RB frequently?
- having an elite FB on the bench, but refusing to play him more than a few snaps per game?
- refusing to use more play-action?

or how bout simply

- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

Seems every game, the fans in GDT bitch, moan, and berate Andy for his in-game playcalls.. and in-game lack of adjustments.

Yet, when it comes to hating a player more... that's when Andy becomes a GOD. :hmmm:

Again, I am disappointed in Alex Smith.. for not having played better the last two games... and also the PIT game. He needed to play better.. and he is capable of doing so.

This should not excuse the rest of the team for having a lot of boring playcalls.. then the cute shit that ****s us.. the terrible run blocking OL... penalties.. drops.. and moments of pure fail from the pass pro at critical times.

This QB is just yet another piece of the failing puzzle. I agree that it's a damn shame he can't lift everyone up more. Maybe Pat can, who knows. Fans expecting a QB to regularly carry their team weaknesses? It's just not realistic. :harumph:

bigjosh

11-23-2017, 09:42 AM

He hasn't change anything? Really? So the Chiefs were making the playoffs every year before he got here? Cause with him here we've made it 3 out of the 4 years (75%). I don't remember the Chiefs doing that since the Marty years.

Pathetic.

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PAChiefsGuy

11-23-2017, 09:44 AM

I've seen this bullshit all through the 90's. Just good enough to make the playoffs but no shot at doing anything once we get there.

Sorry but real fans who have watched this team shit it's pants over and over again want the chance to go deep into the playoffs and win it all.

We aren't contempt with simply "making the playoffs" anymore.

Well maybe if the D didn't give up 45-pts to the Colts, Charles didn't get hurt every year, Berry doesn't tear his ACL every couple years, J Houston actually has a good game and is healthy in the playoffs this team would get to the SB.

Not saying Smitty doesn't deserve some of the blame for Chiefs not getting there but to just put it on him is absolutely ridiculous. It's a team f**king game.

Rausch

11-23-2017, 09:46 AM

So would you classify Andy Reid a good coach for..

- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

This is a fucking stupid comment.

Unbelievably stupid.

Mahomes has never played a down in a regular season NFL game. It's not like Reid has Favre/Montana/Brady on the bench.

Mahomes is NOT a "star." Mahomes is a great young talent we're developing.

Again, I am disappointed in Alex Smith.. for not having played better the last two games... and also the PIT game. He needed to play better.. and he is capable of doing so.

Agreed.

This should not excuse the rest of the team for having a lot of boring playcalls.. then the cute shit that ****s us.. the terrible run blocking OL... penalties.. drops.. and moments of pure fail from the pass pro at critical times.

It's not just Alex regressing - it's the team.

bigjosh

11-23-2017, 09:47 AM

Well maybe if the D didn't give up 45-pts to the Colts, Charles didn't get hurt every year, Berry doesn't tear his ACL every couple years, J Houston actually has a good game and is healthy in the playoffs this team would get to the SB.

Not saying Smitty doesn't deserve some of the blame for Chiefs not getting there but to just put it on him is absolutely ridiculous. It's a team f**king game.

Every team has injuries. Some QBs just overcome them. Tom Brady has never had a completely healthy roster in super bowl seasons. Hell Gronkowski spends half of his seasons on the sideline

milkman

11-23-2017, 09:47 AM

So would you classify Andy Reid a good coach for..

- forgetting his RB frequently?
- having an elite FB on the bench, but refusing to play him more than a few snaps per game?
- refusing to use more play-action?

or how bout simply

- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

Seems every game, the fans in GDT bitch, moan, and berate Andy for his in-game playcalls.. and in-game lack of adjustments.

Yet, when it comes to hating a player more... that's when Andy becomes a GOD. :hmmm:

Again, I am disappointed in Alex Smith.. for not having played better the last two games... and also the PIT game. He needed to play better.. and he is capable of doing so.

This should not excuse the rest of the team for having a lot of boring playcalls.. then the cute shit that ****s us.. the terrible run blocking OL... penalties.. drops.. and moments of pure fail from the pass pro at critical times.

This QB is just yet another piece of the failing puzzle. I agree that it's a damn shame he can't lift everyone up more. Maybe Pat can, who knows. Fans expecting a QB to regularly carry their team weaknesses? It's just not realistic. :harumph:

Andy pisses me/us off because he isn't always a good game day coach, but he is a guy that usually finds ways to get his team ready to play.

And some of his playcalling is dictated by the limitations of his mediocre QB.

Rausch

11-23-2017, 09:49 AM

Every team has injuries. Some QBs just overcome them. Tom Brady has never had a completely healthy roster in super bowl seasons. Hell Gronkowski spends half of his seasons on the sideline

And when Brady's WR's drop passes, his offensive line plays like shit, and his defense plays like shit he gets blown out at home.

Yes, even Tom Brady.

I'm sure you remember...

PAChiefsGuy

11-23-2017, 09:51 AM

So would you classify Andy Reid a good coach for..

- forgetting his RB frequently?
- having an elite FB on the bench, but refusing to play him more than a few snaps per game?
- refusing to use more play-action?

or how bout simply

- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

Seems every game, the fans in GDT bitch, moan, and berate Andy for his in-game playcalls.. and in-game lack of adjustments.

Yet, when it comes to hating a player more... that's when Andy becomes a GOD. :hmmm:

Again, I am disappointed in Alex Smith.. for not having played better the last two games... and also the PIT game. He needed to play better.. and he is capable of doing so.

This should not excuse the rest of the team for having a lot of boring playcalls.. then the cute shit that ****s us.. the terrible run blocking OL... penalties.. drops.. and moments of pure fail from the pass pro at critical times.

This QB is just yet another piece of the failing puzzle. I agree that it's a damn shame he can't lift everyone up more. Maybe Pat can, who knows. Fans expecting a QB to regularly carry their team weaknesses? It's just not realistic. :harumph:

And don't forget how pretty much everyone here wanted to fire Sutton. A couple games later now Smitty is the main problem with the team..

Flip-flop CP posters....

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 09:51 AM

What you Smitty nut-huggers don't see is that yes, it is a team game... but as I've said 100 times, QBs are erasers. Their job is to cover up for deficiencies elsewhere on the team. The better the QB, the more he can make up for.

Aaron Rodgers takes a bottom 10 roster to the playoffs every year. Tom Brady has had below average to average offensive supporting casts for most of his career. Russell Wilson is literally carrying the Seahawks these days despite the worst OL in football. Matt Stafford makes the Lions watchable and competitive with a below average roster. I could go on and on.

What happens when things aren't perfect around Alex? Can he overcome key injuries? Can he put the team on his back when it's needed in the playoffs?

We all know the answer.

Rausch

11-23-2017, 09:52 AM

What happened when things aren't perfect around Alex? Can he overcome key injuries? Can he put the team on his back when it's needed in the playoffs?

We all know the answer.

Yes we do.

What's your point?

milkman

11-23-2017, 09:54 AM

And don't forget how pretty much everyone here wanted to fire Sutton. A couple games later now Smitty is the main problem with the team..

Flip-flop CP posters....

Bob Sutton still needs to be fired.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that your boo sucks ass.

It's a team game, and to improve this team both Smith and Sutton need to get the fuck out.

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 09:54 AM

Yes we do.

What's your point?

My point is that Alex is most certainly a game manager who can't take us deep in the playoffs because he can't cover up for roster deficiencies that are going to show by January, whether it be due to skill or injury at other positions.

Rausch

11-23-2017, 09:56 AM

My point is that Alex is most certainly a game manager who can't take us deep in the playoffs because he can't cover up for roster deficiencies that are going to show by January, whether due to skill or injury.

No, he can't.

He's a guy you can win with - not a guy you win because of.

We all knew this the second he was traded here.

Instead of complaining about it we should be ecstatic about finally drafting a guy who can be a legit QBOTF and be glad Andy wants to groom this guy the right way.

bigjosh

11-23-2017, 09:58 AM

And when Brady's WR's drop passes, his offensive line plays like shit, and his defense plays like shit he gets blown out at home.

Yes, even Tom Brady.

I'm sure you remember...

I am willing to bet my entire bank account that a Tom Brady led patriots team has NEVER lost 4 out of 5 games, nor have they ever been "blown out at home" in the playoffs.

PAChiefsGuy

11-23-2017, 09:58 AM

ILChief

11-23-2017, 10:00 AM

And when Brady's WR's drop passes, his offensive line plays like shit, and his defense plays like shit he gets blown out at home.

Yes, even Tom Brady.

I'm sure you remember...

They may have an occasional stinker during the season, but playoff time they'll win

bigjosh

11-23-2017, 10:00 AM

Bob Sutton still needs to be fired.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that your boo sucks ass.

It's a team game, and to improve this team both Smith and Sutton need to get the fuck out.

https://s18.postimg.org/dodqukwq1/Truth_Bombs_final_e1458756285959.jpg

OKchiefs

11-23-2017, 10:00 AM

So tell me guys, since you know, Chiefs are so good without Alex 'All I do is win in the regular season' Smith. When is the last time Chiefs, before Alex Smith was here, won a SB and when is the last time Chiefs won a playoff game? Not including the one with Alex.

Cause you know, if Chiefs are such a great organization and Alex is the one holding this organization back I'd think the answers to these questions would fairly straight forward.

They're a shit organization because they've always relied on horrible quarterbacks like Smith, Huard, Cassel, Bono, Grbac, and other castoffs. Mahomes is a sign that we are hopefully going away from that bullshit. Even if Mahomes is a bust, this team must know by now that the answer is to go back to the draft, not another veteran castoff like Smith.

ILChief

11-23-2017, 10:01 AM

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:01 AM

They may have an occasional stinker during the season, but playoff time they'll win

Not if come playoff time they drop passes, the D plays like shit, and their line stinks it up.

Much like the Den/NE champ game a few years back when Den made the SB...

OKchiefs

11-23-2017, 10:02 AM

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:05 AM

Having a competent GM and coach turned us around, not Smith.

Having a QB that didn't stare down the only place the ball was going to go definitely helped...

bigjosh

11-23-2017, 10:06 AM

Having a QB that didn't stare down the only place the ball was going to go definitely helped...

Our current QB does that all of the time. Pay attention

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:08 AM

Our current QB does that all of the time. Pay attention

Alex will look off all his reads before throwing into the flat...

PAChiefsGuy

11-23-2017, 10:09 AM

Having a competent GM and coach turned us around, not Smith.

I agree and both were smart enough to know Smitty is a good QB

A competent GM and HC wouldn't trade for a bad QB now would they? They both liked Smitty unlike so many of the idiot posters on here, they see the big picture.

Sandy Vagina

11-23-2017, 10:09 AM

Aaron Rodgers takes a bottom 10 roster to the playoffs every year.

Doesn't seem right for you to go there. Getting to the playoffs does not count. Regular season wins.. getting to the playoffs.. doesn't count anymore.

You win SBs, or you **** right off. That has been the bar set for CP.

Rodgers, nor any of those QBs (minus Brady, maybe) have not accomplished their SBs without massive help from the others on the team.

If that is an incorrect sentence... then elaborate. Otherwise.. your overall post.. which compares Smith to the handful of best QBs of the League.. falls flat.

chiefzilla1501

11-23-2017, 10:11 AM

I agree and both were smart enough to know Smitty is a good QB

A competent GM and HC wouldn't trade for a bad QB now would they? They both liked Smitty unlike so many of the idiot posters on here, they see the big picture.

Alex Smith was a good trade. That doesn't mean he's good for us now. I'm glad he brought us back to respectability. I'm glad he delivered our first playoff win. But he's not going to get us to a super bowl. We need to move on because it's clear he's starting to hold us back.

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:12 AM

Alex Smith was a good trade. That doesn't mean he's good for us now. I'm glad he brought us back to respectability. I'm glad he delivered our first playoff win. But he's not going to get us to a super bowl.

This.

He'll play this year and then move on.

That said you don't rush/risk the future...

Sandy Vagina

11-23-2017, 10:12 AM

This is a ****ing stupid comment.

Unbelievably stupid.

Mahomes has never played a down in a regular season NFL game. It's not like Reid has Favre/Montana/Brady on the bench.

Mahomes is NOT a "star." Mahomes is a great young talent we're developing.

Read that sentence more closely. You see the quotations surrounding the post in which you call stupid? C'mon man.. what do those quotations imply?

for clarity, this was the quote:
- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

OKchiefs

11-23-2017, 10:12 AM

I agree and both were smart enough to know Smitty is a good QB

A competent GM and HC wouldn't trade for a bad QB now would they? They both liked Smitty unlike so many of the idiot posters on here, they see the big picture.

And why do you think they drafted Mahomes? If they made a good decision to get Smith, you must also trust they made the right decision to draft Mahomes.

OKchiefs

11-23-2017, 10:14 AM

For the record, Matt Cassel would have won a playoff game with that Chiefs squad against a Brian Hoyer led Texans.

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:14 AM

Read that sentence more closely. You see the quotations surrounding the post in which you call stupid? C'mon man.. what do those quotations imply?

for clarity, this was the quote:
- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

That "star" is a QB who's never played a down that we all admit needs, at MINIMUM, one season on the bench to learn.

A person who needs to sit and learn is, by definition, not currently "a star."

RunKC

11-23-2017, 10:15 AM

bigjosh

11-23-2017, 10:16 AM

Smitty fucks my ass and doesn't pull out

FYP

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:17 AM

For the record, Matt Cassel would have won a playoff game with that Chiefs squad against a Brian Hoyer led Texans.

No...

Sandy Vagina

11-23-2017, 10:17 AM

And why do you think they drafted Mahomes? If they made a good decision to get Smith, you must also trust they made the right decision to draft Mahomes.

They had nothing at QB2 on the roster. Smith is old, been playing longer than most (drafted at age 20).. and sports 2 shoulder surgeries, multiple concussions... and a hefty cap cost.

It was time to draft and develop a star. Typically smart teams do that before their current starter leaves. Especially wise to do with all the talk about Andy's complicated offensive scheme.

So, which 49ers' forum are you from?

chiefzilla1501

11-23-2017, 10:17 AM

And don't forget how pretty much everyone here wanted to fire Sutton. A couple games later now Smitty is the main problem with the team..

Flip-flop CP posters....

It's not a flip flop. Cp showered Alex with praise the first few games because he deserved it. They flip flopped because he's played like shit the last 5 games. And it's because he's resorting back to the game management bs we've been hating on for years.

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:19 AM

It's not a flip flop. Cp showered Alex with praise the first few games because he deserved it. They flip flopped because he's played like shit the last 5 games. And it's because he's resorting back to the game management bs we've been hating on for years.

Exactly.

I don't think it's just on him but his performance should be graded honestly...

Sandy Vagina

11-23-2017, 10:19 AM

That "star" is a QB who's never played a down that we all admit needs, at MINIMUM, one season on the bench to learn.

A person who needs to sit and learn is, by definition, not currently "a star."

Okay, let's try this a different way.

When I put this part of this sentence in quotes. " "

- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

It is not ME confirming my belief in the words. It is me quoting the general sentiment of others.

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:21 AM

Okay, let's try this a different way.

When I put this part of this sentence in quotes. " "

- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

It is not ME confirming my belief in the words. It is me quoting the general sentiment of others.

It's still incredibly stupid.

A person who has never played is not a star.

Period.

Sandy Vagina

11-23-2017, 10:24 AM

It's still incredibly stupid.

A person who has never played is not a star.

Period.

Well then, we ARE in agreement. I just don't understand how you did not earlier understand what I have since been trying to explain.

ILChief

11-23-2017, 10:24 AM

The ceiling with Smith is third best team in the AFC. You can win the west, maybe beat Tennessee or Baltimore on a wild card game. As soon as you run into Pittsburgh or New England, game over.

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:29 AM

Well then, we ARE in agreement. I just don't understand how you did not earlier understand what I have since been trying to explain.

I still don't understand what you think you're trying to say.

I'm not being a jerk - I honestly don't get what you mean.

You essentially stated that Smith was a borderline talent as a starter (true) and that he should be benched for a "star" (not true.)

Talent, definitely. Improvement?

Unknown.

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 10:29 AM

Doesn't seem right for you to go there. Getting to the playoffs does not count. Regular season wins.. getting to the playoffs.. doesn't count anymore.

You win SBs, or you **** right off. That has been the bar set for CP.

Rodgers, nor any of those QBs (minus Brady, maybe) have not accomplished their SBs without massive help from the others on the team.

If that is an incorrect sentence... then elaborate. Otherwise.. your overall post.. which compares Smith to the handful of best QBs of the League.. falls flat.

That wasn't the point of my statement. The point is that Rodgers takes the Packers to the playoffs every year with a roster that Smith would never take to the playoffs.

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:29 AM

The ceiling with Smith is third best team in the AFC. You can win the west, maybe beat Tennessee or Baltimore on a wild card game. As soon as you run into Pittsburgh or New England, game over.

Perfectly stated...

ptlyon

11-23-2017, 10:33 AM

Sandy Vagina

11-23-2017, 10:36 AM

I still don't understand what you think you're trying to say.

I'm not being a jerk - I honestly don't get what you mean.

You essentially stated that Smith was a borderline talent as a starter (true) and that he should be benched for a "star" (not true.)

Talent, definitely. Improvement?

Unknown.

Let me try this.

Let's talk about how " a QB's win-loss record is clearly the only way to judge a QB. "

Now look back at this sentence. ^

See the quotation marks? This means that I don't necessarily agree with the words inside the quotes.. but am using the quotes in reference to others that have used the words.

Same applies to the original back and forth between us.

I've tried to explain best I can. Have a Happy Turkey day. http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh18/rickf73/forums/tiphat2.gif

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:36 AM

Or the 1 & 8 giants.

Small sample size.

Every team we've beaten has a winning record.

Every team we've lost to has a losing record.

That tells me the coaching is where we fail...

ptlyon

11-23-2017, 10:38 AM

Small sample size.

Every team we've beaten has a winning record.

Every team we've lost to has a losing record.

That tells me the coaching is where we fail...

We certainly do play down to others team's potential

Rausch

11-23-2017, 10:38 AM

Let me try this.

Let's talk about how " a QB's win-loss record is clearly the only way to judge a QB. "

Now look back at this sentence. ^

See the quotation marks? This means that I don't necessarily agree with the words inside the quotes.. but am using the quotes in reference to others that have used the words.

Same applies to the original back and forth between us.

I've tried to explain best I can. Have a Happy Turkey day. http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh18/rickf73/forums/tiphat2.gif

Fair enough. You as well.

St. Patty's Fire

11-23-2017, 11:15 AM

Small sample size.

Every team we've beaten has a winning record.

Every team we've lost to has a losing record.

That tells me the coaching is where we fail...

Uh, what.

We beat the Broncos, Chargers and Texans, all under .500.

We lost to the steelers who are 7-2(?).

RealSNR

11-23-2017, 11:44 AM

Having a QB that didn't stare down the only place the ball was going to go definitely helped...

The Vikings are winning football games by playing defense and not turning the ball over with Case Keenum.

Is anybody going to really say that Case Keenum is the reason why the Vikings are good right now?

Deberg_1990

11-23-2017, 11:51 AM

The Vikings are winning football games by playing defense and not turning the ball over with Case Keenum.

Is anybody going to really say that Case Keenum is the reason why the Vikings are good right now?

Hes been decent. Not spectacular, but definitely good enough to help the team win.

He most likely wont win in the playoffs though.

Discuss Thrower

11-23-2017, 12:18 PM

The Vikings are winning football games by playing defense and not turning the ball over with Case Keenum.

Is anybody going to really say that Case Keenum is the reason why the Vikings are good right now?

Thielen, Diggs and Rudolph are pretty good non-RB receiving threats too.

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 12:21 PM

Thielen and Diggs is probably the best WR duo going right now

Discuss Thrower

11-23-2017, 12:27 PM

The Chiefs were 2-14 the year before Smitty got here. He came here and they make the playoffs. Gee, what a coincidence.

Yes Reid's impact was huge as well but he isn't out there playing. Smitty turned this franchise around. Bunch of ingrates on this board.

You wanna know something about that 2-14 team that Smith 'magically' turned around all by his lonesome? And I have to point this out to you because you hadn't the scantest clue about anything about the Chiefs prior to March 2013.

It was two blocked FG attempts from two consecutive AFC West titles being quarterbacked by Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko and Kyle Orton. The latter half of that repeat had no Charles, no Berry and Dwayne Bowe as the top receiver. Oh and this was almost done with Todd fucking Haley as the head coach.

Back to back titles is something Smith has never done at any point in his career and a bullpen of also-ran hack QBs almost pulled it off with two HCs whom had been promoted over their competence levels.

"But Smitty turned around a 2-14 team" is just about the laziest, dumbest and dishonest narrative to ever be discussed in any sports context.

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 12:29 PM

The 2-14 team also had 6 pro bowlers, which is unheard of for most good teams let alone bad ones..

That season was a complete anomaly and a we were lucky to have it because it gave us a new regime that has created a winning culture.

PAChiefsGuy

11-23-2017, 01:00 PM

The 2-14 team also had 6 pro bowlers, which is unheard of for most good teams let alone bad ones..

That season was a complete anomaly and a we were lucky to have it because it gave us Smitty and Reid.

FYP

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-23-2017, 01:11 PM

F**k you b**ch.. Learn how to read. I never said it wasn't cover 2 I said they were disguising it.

Like I said either way, Reid will eventually figure it out. He's too good a HC not to

How much do you want to bet that Reid will REALLY "figure it out" once Mahomes is the starter?
How much do you want to bet that the O-line will REALLY "turn it around" once Mahomes is the starter?
How much do you want to bet that the TE's and WR's will REALLY "step it up" once Mahomes is the starter?
How much do you want to bet the the Defense will REALLY "get back on track and start making the turnovers happen again" once Mahomes is the starter?

Andy has figured it out. There's guys wide open and we see that on film.

His QB isn't figuring it out on the field.

Shhh...you're spoiling the surprise! LMAO

And don't forget how pretty much everyone here wanted to fire Sutton. A couple games later now Smitty is the main problem with the team..

Flip-flop CP posters....

Um, we STILL want to fire Sutton.

They had nothing at QB2 on the roster.

ROFLROFLROFL

"They just didn't have enough bodies on the QB roster"!!!

Every time I think that you could not demonstrate the act of being a fool to any greater a degree, you just turn right around and send that ante right on up to the Throne of God.

They traded firsts and moved up higher in position than I've EVER seen this franchise do in ALL THE YEARS that I have followed their drafts TO GET MAHOMES YOU IDIOT.

God almighty...

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 01:27 PM

Easy 6

11-23-2017, 01:36 PM

Imon Yourside

11-23-2017, 01:43 PM

Actually, we do have contempt for that.

LMAO Yup

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 01:45 PM

Been holding out all year on Mahomes, wanting him to sit and develop a great foundation for success

But at this point, I would be willing to concede the point, seems like there is no question that Pat would spark this entire team... from the O line and receivers, to the defense getting feisty again

The flaws in his fundamentals can be worked on during camp and preseason, I am completely ready to see him start making more of those 'The Last Airbender' throws like we witnessed this preseason

At this point he's been given much more time to sit and learn than most QBs ever get taken that early. But to have a chance to play your first NFL games against some pretty bad teams to finish this season, and then also likely get to start a playoff game in his rookie year... man, that's a hard opportunity to look away from.

Give him the last 5 games plus playoffs to get in game experience on top of the 12 weeks he has sat, and you get the best of both worlds. We have a team and coaches around him that shouldn't put him in situations to fail. He is set up nicely.

Imon Yourside

11-23-2017, 01:49 PM

Easy 6

11-23-2017, 01:54 PM

At this point he's been given much more time to sit and learn than most QBs ever get taken that early. But to have a chance to play your first NFL games against some pretty bad teams to finish this season, and then also likely get to start a playoff game in his rookie year... man, that's a hard opportunity to look away from.

Give him the last 5 games plus playoffs to get in game experience on top of the 12 weeks he has sat, and you get the best of both worlds. We have a team and coaches around him that shouldn't put him in situations to fail. He is set up nicely.

It took a while to come around, but I completely agree

Guys like Luck, Prescott, and Wentz stepped right in as starters and excelled, and while Mahomes was ostensibly a more raw product coming out... I have faith that Reid could custom tailor things around him to minimize that for the rest of this year

RunKC

11-23-2017, 02:04 PM

At this point he's been given much more time to sit and learn than most QBs ever get taken that early. But to have a chance to play your first NFL games against some pretty bad teams to finish this season, and then also likely get to start a playoff game in his rookie year... man, that's a hard opportunity to look away from.

Give him the last 5 games plus playoffs to get in game experience on top of the 12 weeks he has sat, and you get the best of both worlds. We have a team and coaches around him that shouldn't put him in situations to fail. He is set up nicely.

Unfortunately I think Andy doesn't want a rookie QB in a playoff game this year bc it signals that the team is giving up to the vets. I think Alex would really have to fuck up to get replaced, which might happen if he continues this streak against Buffalo.

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-23-2017, 02:33 PM

It's so true.

Iron sharpening iron.

Anyone who doesn't count that factor in to the overall team output over the course of a season is a damned fool.

Unfortunately I think Andy doesn't want a rookie QB in a playoff game this year bc it signals that the team is giving up to the vets. I think Alex would really have to fuck up to get replaced, which might happen if he continues this streak against Buffalo.

Sad but true.

NWTF

11-23-2017, 02:59 PM

I am probably the last guy to call for the QB's head but I agree Let's get Mahomes in there now. Let's put him in and take our lumps regardless of what happens. Tired of these teams all my life that are just good enough to be a sacrificial lamb in the playoffs.

Thats where Im at. I dont think we see Mahomes this year barring injury but I think its definitely the best move long term. Hes the future so unless you got something special happening this season and dont want to mess it up then why keep delaying the inevitable.

I dont see much if any downside because I dont see this team as a legit threat to do anything meaningful. Its possible if he had a bad first outing the team could pack it in, but I keep coming back to I dont see this team doing anything in January anyway even if we hang onto the division lead for a playoff spot. Its also possible he could surprise in a good way and give this offense a boost, pumping life back into a possible playoff run, but Id still be cautious with that talk. For me its more about getting the needed game day experience NOW instead of next season being the first time he sees real action.

They will probably win the next two, three games, basically securing a playoff spot and that will quiet down the QB talk.

pugsnotdrugs19

11-23-2017, 03:38 PM

Unfortunately I think Andy doesn't want a rookie QB in a playoff game this year bc it signals that the team is giving up to the vets. I think Alex would really have to **** up to get replaced, which might happen if he continues this streak against Buffalo.

I would think the players would be excited to put him in at this point. They've seen what some of these young QBs are doing around the league and they've also seen plenty of Alex Smith.

If I'm Derrick Johnson or Tamba Hali, I want to change from the norm of the last 12-13 years and throw the kid in who just might make the offense truly explosive.

PAChiefsGuy

11-23-2017, 03:48 PM

How much do you want to bet that Reid will REALLY "figure it out" once Mahomes is the starter?
How much do you want to bet that the O-line will REALLY "turn it around" once Mahomes is the starter?
How much do you want to bet that the TE's and WR's will REALLY "step it up" once Mahomes is the starter?
How much do you want to bet the the Defense will REALLY "get back on track and start making the turnovers happen again" once Mahomes is the starter?

What the hell does the defense have to do with Mahomes? Mahomes doesn't play defense. The defense is not going to better because of Mahomes. Let me guess you think our special teams is going to get better because of Mahomes too?

You're just a typical moron fan. You think the only thing that matters is the QB. No other position in football is important. It's why 95% of posts on CP are about Smitty. You uneducated fans think because in Madden you can win with the Browns when you have Tom Brady that's how it works in real life. Guess what? It doesn't.

Stick to Madden and fantasy football guys. Discussing real football isn't for you.

RobBlake

11-23-2017, 03:52 PM

I would think the players would be excited to put him in at this point. They've seen what some of these young QBs are doing around the league and they've also seen plenty of Alex Smith.

If I'm Derrick Johnson or Tamba Hali, I want to change from the norm of the last 12-13 years and throw the kid in who just might make the offense truly explosive.

If you’re Johnson you’re getting blown by and halo you’re sitting on the bench.

There are a lot of mitigating factors into keeping alex as starter until either eliminated from playoff contention, injury or worsening play.

RunKC

11-23-2017, 03:54 PM

I would think the players would be excited to put him in at this point. They've seen what some of these young QBs are doing around the league and they've also seen plenty of Alex Smith.

If I'm Derrick Johnson or Tamba Hali, I want to change from the norm of the last 12-13 years and throw the kid in who just might make the offense truly explosive.

I can see their view. They were very close to going to OT in the divisional round last year and a new rookie with zero experience isn't good on paper. A rookie QB has never won a SB before.

Putting in the training 24/7 and wasting your last chance.

It's not our view, but I can absolutely see their side of it.

St. Patty's Fire

11-23-2017, 04:44 PM

I can see their view. They were very close to going to OT in the divisional round last year and a new rookie with zero experience isn't good on paper. A rookie QB has never won a SB before.

Putting in the training 24/7 and wasting your last chance.

It's not our view, but I can absolutely see their side of it.

Tom Brady was a rookie in 2001 unless the one game he played in 2000 disqualifies him.

chiefzilla1501

11-23-2017, 04:47 PM

What the hell does the defense have to do with Mahomes? Mahomes doesn't play defense. The defense is not going to better because of Mahomes. Let me guess you think our special teams is going to get better because of Mahomes too?

You're just a typical moron fan. You think the only thing that matters is the QB. No other position in football is important. It's why 95% of posts on CP are about Smitty. You uneducated fans think because in Madden you can win with the Browns when you have Tom Brady that's how it works in real life. Guess what? It doesn't.

Stick to Madden and fantasy football guys. Discussing real football isn't for you.

That's convenient. When our defense is top 10 and creating umpteen turnovers a game, our qb just knows how to win games. When our defense is bottom 10, it's a team game and the defense is failing us.

That's a fair measuring stick.

Buns

11-23-2017, 05:17 PM

In Regards to Cold Weather and Rookie QB's

http://lubbockonline.com/filed-online/2016-11-15/texas-tech-football-notes-facing-cold-saturday-forecast-iowa-kingsbury-says

Texas Tech football notes: Facing cold Saturday forecast in Iowa, Kingsbury says it's no problem
Cold won't affect play selection

Saturday at Iowa State figures to be the closest thing Texas Tech’s had to a cold-weather football game all season. It’s supposed to be chilly and breezy, but Tech coach Kliff Kingsbury doesn’t foresee it affecting his play selection.

“We ran it 44 times last week, so whatever we have to do to try and win the game,” Kingsbury said after Tuesday’s practice. “Pat (Mahomes) does a good job throwing in all types of weather, so whatever is working is what we’ll do.”

Tech and Iowa State play at 2:30 p.m. Saturday at Jack Trice Stadium in Ames, Iowa. The National Weather Service forecast calls for 39 degrees at kickoff, dropping to 32 by game’s end and northwest wind from 10-15 mph during the game.

“I know it’s supposed to be windy and a little chilly,” Kingsbury said, “but we have some of those things here in Lubbock. So I think we can handle those conditions, but I guess we’ll see.”

Kingsbury noted on Monday that one of Mahomes’ most impressive performances, to him, was two years ago in Ames. Mahomes threw for 328 yards and four touchdowns, rallying Tech from deficits of 24-14 in the third quarter and 31-27 in the fourth quarter to win 34-31.

That was Mahomes’ third career start, and first on the road.

“That’s still my favorite start he’s had,” Kingsbury said, “simply because we were out of bow contention, got down late in the third, could’ve easily packed it in. It was cold, a tough atmosphere and he kept figthing and brought us back and found a way to win that game.

“That told me a lot about him and his competitive spirit early on.”