The All -22 and yeah, it all happened again

[Red Dawg]

This team is done most likely. It's done and Reid is the captain of the Titanic hitting the ice burg except the first one didn't do the job so he hit 5 more.

www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/11/23/16689470/alex-smith-all-22-vs-giants-another-

[chiefzilla1501]

This post is also a reminder of how many damn Alex homers there are. What is the average chiefs fans obsession with overdefending nice guy qbs. Nice doesn't win super bowls, unless it comes with talent to play football.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Fuck Smith

[chiefzilla1501]

He's also generous to call his performance good against Denver. We won that game because we had a bazillion turnovers. We were on cruise control on offense

[Sandy Vagina]

This post is also a reminder of how many damn Alex homers there are. What is the average chiefs fans obsession with overdefending nice guy qbs. Nice doesn't win super bowls, unless it comes with talent to play football.

Meh. He still has the talent to win a SB. I don't even think he needs top weapons to do it... just targets that know where to be and can catch well.

Unfortunately, what he does need is a strong offensive line. Not even top 10.. but not far off. He simply has too much old baggage to ever develop into the fearless gunslinger I hoped he would. As is, the OL he needs must be able to provide balance in the run game. They don't need to open up huge lanes and grant him 150 yds a game.. but how bout 80 or so at a 4 ypc-ish clip? and how bout they be able to pass protect even in times where a D knows we are passing?

.. but sadly and admittedly.. he still looks to be a QB that can not thrive unless he has the above things going for him.


It's everyone's individual choice whether to hate him for needing what he needs to thrive. It's everyone's individual choice in whether they want to blame him, or blame the weaker areas of the team that are not doing much to support such a QB. It's everyone's individual choice whether to justly allocate blame to a HC that still insists he is the best QB option... or to keep on blaming the player for giving what he's got.

If I were Andy Reid, I would do a few things differently.

1. More I-form play-action with (of course) Sherman on the field.
2. Do not forget to give Hunt carries.. but let the PA pass game open things up early on.. then start pounding in more runs.
3. Make it clear to Smith in private that he must work out his (and fellow receivers') issues right away.. and this extends to his own pocket composure. That he is on a short leash to do so.. and the next game is critical to whether he goes out in a last glorious blaze, or finishes things off holding a clipboard.

There has to be more to it than this CP concept of wide open targets all over that Smith just refuses to see or throw to. If it were so clear and obvious, there's just no way Smith would still be allowed to go out there week after week.

No doubt about the bottom line though.. he DOES need to play better and right now.. or he can and should rightly **** off.

[Buehler445]

Blech.

Figured it would be as bad as decisions as he was making.

[chiefzilla1501]

Meh. He still has the talent to win a SB. I don't even think he needs top weapons to do it... just targets that know where to be and can catch well.

Unfortunately, what he does need is a strong offensive line. Not even top 10.. but not far off. He simply has too much old baggage to ever develop into the fearless gunslinger I hoped he would. As is, the OL he needs must be able to provide balance in the run game. They don't need to open up huge lanes and grant him 150 yds a game.. but how bout 80 or so at a 4 ypc-ish clip? and how bout they be able to pass protect even in times where a D knows we are passing?

.. but sadly and admittedly.. he still looks to be a QB that can not thrive unless he has the above things going for him.


It's everyone's individual choice whether to hate him for needing what he needs to thrive. It's everyone's individual choice in whether they want to blame him, or blame the weaker areas of the team that are not doing much to support such a QB. It's everyone's individual choice whether to justly allocate blame to a HC that still insists he is the best QB option... or to keep on blaming the player for giving what he's got.

If I were Andy Reid, I would do a few things differently.

1. More I-form play-action with (of course) Sherman on the field.
2. Do not forget to give Hunt carries.. but let the PA pass game open things up early on.. then start pounding in more runs.
3. Make it clear to Smith in private that he must work out his (and fellow receivers') issues right away.. and this extends to his own pocket composure. That he is on a short leash to do so.. and the next game is critical to whether he goes out in a last glorious blaze, or finishes things off holding a clipboard.

There has to be more to it than this CP concept of wide open targets all over that Smith just refuses to see or throw to. If it were so clear and obvious, there's just no way Smith would still be allowed to go out there week after week.

No doubt about the bottom line though.. he DOES need to play better and right now.. or he can and should rightly **** off.

The OL thing is a myth. Not that they're bad but that they are so much to blame for Alexs qb play. Ive said this before. I'm perfectly happy to take beginning of the year Alex Smith or end of 2013 Alex Smith. I was even complimentary of middle of last year Alex Smith. Quite simply, when Alex gets it in his head that he can take over games, he is a different qb. He throws in tight windows, throws on the run, and throws deep. In the last few games of 2013, against decent defenses, Alex went on a tear. And that ol was a million times shittier than it is now. We played that year with Stephenson at LT, rookie Eric fisher at RT, and piles of shit in the middle. That OL looked fine.

When Alex opens up the offense, the pass protection improves. This is all on him. We've seen he's capable of doing it. But he just refuses to. And at this point in the career, we have to accept that those aggressive versions of Alex are way in the minority, not the majority.

But worst of all, you can defend Alex Smith while acknowledging the last 5 games he's mostly played like complete dogshit. Even you I think see that. But there are so many people who are apologizing for him and refuse to acknowledge his contribution to the problem. Keep in mind that these same people defended Matt cassel for almost every game he was qb.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Jesus... that.. just ... I ... fuck it.

[notorious]

There is no defending him the last few games unless you are a complete moron.

[ptlyon]

The first boos on Sunday will be very telling

[Buehler445]

I was here.

There is no defending him the last few games unless you are a complete moron.

Now I’m here.

Jesus... that.. just ... I ... fuck it.

[Molitoth]

MATT CASSEL NEEDS A BETTER OLINE! ITS NOT HIS FAULT YOU BANDWAGON FANS!!!!!!!!!

[Reerun_KC]

Jesus... that.. just ... I ... fuck it.



Exactly.

[mcaj22]

The OL thing is a myth. Not that they're bad but that they are so much to blame for Alexs qb play. Ive said this before. I'm perfectly happy to take beginning of the year Alex Smith or end of 2013 Alex Smith. I was even complimentary of middle of last year Alex Smith. Quite simply, when Alex gets it in his head that he can take over games, he is a different qb. He throws in tight windows, throws on the run, and throws deep. In the last few games of 2013, against decent defenses, Alex went on a tear. And that ol was a million times shittier than it is now. We played that year with Stephenson at LT, rookie Eric fisher at RT, and piles of shit in the middle. That OL looked fine.

When Alex opens up the offense, the pass protection improves. This is all on him. We've seen he's capable of doing it. But he just refuses to. And at this point in the career, we have to accept that those aggressive versions of Alex are way in the minority, not the majority.

But worst of all, you can defend Alex Smith while acknowledging the last 5 games he's mostly played like complete dogshit. Even you I think see that. But there are so many people who are apologizing for him and refuse to acknowledge his contribution to the problem. Keep in mind that these same people defended Matt cassel for almost every game he was qb.


Its kind of a myth but it kind of isnt. Coaching staff put a lot of resources in the offensive line and protecting the QB. Kelce chips/blocks more than he should, and on Fishers side no less. They actually bring in a 6th offensive lineman sometimes too and declare him as elgible to line up off Schwartz or Fisher.

They do everything they can to give more blockers than they should have to.

[PAChiefsGuy]

That was a really bad game for Smitty. That said anyone on here acting like this is the norm or that he is not capable of playing better is just being a hater. He can play better and I think he will,

If he keeps playing bad obviously it will be up to Reid to make the switch but I don't foresee that happening. Smitty is better than that and his numbers for the year prove that. QBs have bad games/stretches during the year. This is common.

[WhiteWhale]

Its kind of a myth but it kind of isnt. Coaching staff put a lot of resources in the offensive line and protecting the QB. Kelce chips/blocks more than he should, and on Fishers side no less. They actually bring in a 6th offensive lineman sometimes too and declare him as elgible to line up off Schwartz or Fisher.

They do everything they can to give more blockers than they should have to.

The extra O-linemen last week were brought in on rushing plays.

Due to teams prioritizing the run and daring the passing game to make plays that they clearly aren't going to make, KC needs extra beef to block the 8 and 9 man fronts.

Which they wouldn't need if the QB would do something to back them off before the last 4 minutes of the goddamn game.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Cuck city.

[RunKC]

Alex is really starting to put pressure on himself and Andy to make the change. One more of these performances this weekend might do it.

[Sandy Vagina]

The OL thing is a myth. Not that they're bad but that they are so much to blame for Alexs qb play. Ive said this before. I'm perfectly happy to take beginning of the year Alex Smith or end of 2013 Alex Smith. I was even complimentary of middle of last year Alex Smith. Quite simply, when Alex gets it in his head that he can take over games, he is a different qb. He throws in tight windows, throws on the run, and throws deep. In the last few games of 2013, against decent defenses, Alex went on a tear. And that ol was a million times shittier than it is now. We played that year with Stephenson at LT, rookie Eric fisher at RT, and piles of shit in the middle. That OL looked fine.

When Alex opens up the offense, the pass protection improves. This is all on him. We've seen he's capable of doing it. But he just refuses to. And at this point in the career, we have to accept that those aggressive versions of Alex are way in the minority, not the majority.

But worst of all, you can defend Alex Smith while acknowledging the last 5 games he's mostly played like complete dogshit. Even you I think see that. But there are so many people who are apologizing for him and refuse to acknowledge his contribution to the problem. Keep in mind that these same people defended Matt cassel for almost every game he was qb.

Well as you suggest in that final paragraph.. I have and do concede that his play has disappointed me.

Beyond that, we'd be arguing more over "the last 5 games".. as at that point.. it becomes simply levels of disappointment. The PIT, NYG, and DAL games were the most troublesome for me.. and in that order. It is these 3 games that disappoint me most.


The problem I am having is this. I have always felt that Smith is enough at QB, if he has a strong roster around him.

I see the tale of two 5 game splits.

The first half, the offense was competent.. and against some quality opponents. Alex responded very well. Better than most would have dared hope for.

The second half, the offense as a team was pretty lousy. Poor run blocks, poor pass pro when opponents pinned ears back, bleh playcalls. Alex responded poorly.

The 2 things that stand out most are:

- a run game and pass pro that went from best in the first half to bottom tier in the second half.
- the returned hesitation of Alex as he deals with unfamiliar, young WRs.




Was anyone really under the illusion that Alex Smith would thrive with this current offensive support?

Maybe Patrick Mahomes really is the answer. Alex is what he is.. a QB that plays well when his supporting cast does. Since that is not happening, he is what he is.. a product of the play around him.. and not a QB that can lift up the misery surrounding him.

[Reerun_KC]

Alex lift rocks under the ocean.

[chiefzilla1501]

That was a really bad game for Smitty. That said anyone on here acting like this is the norm or that he is not capable of playing better is just being a hater. He can play better and I think he will,

If he keeps playing bad obviously it will be up to Reid to make the switch but I don't foresee that happening. Smitty is better than that and his numbers for the year prove that. QBs have bad games/stretches during the year. This is common.

His performance the last 5 weeks is much more representative of his last 5 years. This better play you speak of is definitely in the minority. That play works when your defense is top 10 in points and best in the league at forcing turnovers. What we are seeing is what this game management thing looks like without the defense doing those things.

Alex doesn't play great with a few bad stretches. Alex plays mediocre with a few small excellent stretches. You have that reversed. I am fine with Smith during those stretches. I have no delusions he can string together 3 to 4 of these games together consecutively in a playoff run.

[kc79]

Keep an eye out for the hash marks. I'll be interested in seeing if that article at arrowheadpride is right about Smith not using 1/3 of the field. What's the weather gonna be like on Sunday?

[bigjosh]

That was a really bad game for Smitty. That said anyone on here acting like this is the norm or that he is not capable of playing better is just being a hater. He can play better and I think he will,

If he keeps playing bad obviously it will be up to Reid to make the switch but I don't foresee that happening. Smitty is better than that and his numbers for the year prove that. QBs have bad games/stretches during the year. This is common.

http://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/05007c9a4939539880514e7e5ddd38bcab73d6-wm.jpg?v=3

[CoMoChief]

It's a combination of many things snowballing. All fingers shouldn't point to Alex Smith although he's the QB, and he's a main focus of the problem.

I think the biggest problem on offense right now is the Chiefs inability to gain good yardage on 1st down. This team is almost always 2nd n long. Esp in the running game. Run plays on first down have been ineffective to say the least. If you're 2nd n short it opens of the playbook to many different options and keeps the defense guessing. The Chiefs are essentially wasting downs on offense. If they improved on first down their drives would be extended more and would have more of a chance to get into the endzone.

This isn't a powerful mauling OL that pushes people off the ball. They're a finesse pussy line thats good at misdirections, offtackles etc. Bottom line is Chiefs are getting their asses kicked in this area. And really on both sides of the ball they're getting their dicks kicked in, in the trenches. Where is Parker Ehinger? Not that he's a world saver like some on here tend to believe but wtf has he been? Is he STILL injured? wtf is the deal there?

Playcalling is atrocious and Alex Smith is going back to his old Alex Smith aka Cpt Checkdown ways. With the Chiefs woes in the running game if they can't fix that then AS has to advance the chains w/ his legs. Need to get about 50-60yds rushing out of the guy per game. That's roughly 12-15yds a qtr, that's not hard, but what it will do is help move the chains. This offense evolves around it's running game, and right now the running game is non-existent. They're certainly not getting any big chunks of yards in the running game. 1 yd here, 2 yds there, the running game isn't moving the chains at all, and again it sucks on 1st down. And in the passing game, Smith is missing people wide open downfield again. Chiefs miss Maclin. I'm still 100% behind his release given his contact. It was just a bad contact to begin with, and he wasn't producing unfortunately like he is this year. But the Chiefs could use him this season. I'm not totally convinced losing Conley was really any significant blow to the offense. Conley to me is JAG. Wilson is now back, but you're not going to anyone around the league say "Hey Wilson is healthy, KC is back!" He's just a small role player. And really that's all the Chiefs have at WR. Hill is still learning the position and really to me, shouldn't be a #1WR, and probably wouldn't be if the Chiefs had better options. And I get he's a HR threat on the field, but I also think many are expecting too much of him this early on. Hill doesn't have any help at WR. He has Kelce I guess, but no true help on the other side.

Reid really needs to get his head out of his ass too. Someone should take his playcalling sheet, headset and escort him to the locker room with 5min left before each half of each game. He's a fucking cancer during crunch time. The clock always kicks his ass. It's the most maddening thing I've seen w/ a football coach, these guys are paid shit tons of money and they really do some stupid shit. 1min left, down by 3 80yds to go, 1 timeout left...and you run the clock out to end the half? Whos god damn genius idea was that? Running on 2nd n long almost always pisses me off, esp if you're trailing in the game. No excuse for that either. Over-utilizing trick plays and getting cute inside the redzone, esp not being able to punch the fucker in, inside the 5yd line, is also maddening. Alex Smith saying fuck it lets take the FG is god damn frustrating as well. Instead of trying to execute how to be cute on offense, they should focus developing a game plan that gets them chunks of yardage. Not these little 2-3yd passes into the flat. Those are essentially wasted passing possessions. The Chiefs are literally wasting possessions on offense.

I actually don't think the OL is much of a problem in the passing game. The Philly game gave the OL some problems but KC still won and that was probably the best DL they've seen all year.

[Easy 6]

The guy is just too experienced to be making so many rookie mistakes, its inexcusable and tiresome

[jspchief]

That was a really bad game for Smitty. That said anyone on here acting like this is the norm or that he is not capable of playing better is just being a hater. He can play better and I think he will,

This IS the norm. Yes, he can play better sometimes. But if you look at his entire career, Giants game Alex Smith is the norm, and Patriots game Alex Smith is the outlier.

He's a great qb for the 2-14 Chiefs. But now he's at his plateau, and it's not good enough. If you're content with 9-10 wins first round playoff losses, he's your man.

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[MMXcalibur]

I'm sick of seeing the offense look like complete dogshit.
I'm sick of seeing the defense look like complete dogshit.
I'm sick of seeing both the offense and defense synchronize their calendars.

[notorious]

I'm sick of seeing the offense look like complete dogshit.
I'm sick of seeing the defense look like complete dogshit.
I'm sick of seeing both the offense and defense synchronize their calendars.

They are synchronized. Both have been equally worthless for some time.

[chiefzilla1501]

This IS the norm. Yes, he can play better sometimes. But if you look at his entire career, Giants game Alex Smith is the norm, and Patriots game Alex Smith is the outlier.

He's a great qb for the 2-14 Chiefs. But now he's at his plateau, and it's not good enough. If you're content with 9-10 wins first round playoff losses, he's your man.

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I wish the best for Alex Smith. He will be a great asset for some team. He'd be tremendous for a team like Cleveland that needs stability in the worst kind of way. Trade him for one of Clevelands 1000 picks. Use the $16 m on some players and the 2nd or 3rd rounder on s good player. This is a deal great for all parties except delusional Alex lovers. Unfortunately Ill have to put up with some cringeworthy play until then but excited that I think the end of the Alex era is almost here.

[The Franchise]

I wish the best for Alex Smith. He will be a great asset for some team. He'd be tremendous for a team like Cleveland that needs stability in the worst kind of way. Trade him for one of Clevelands 1000 picks. Use the $16 m on some players and the 2nd or 3rd rounder on s good player. This is a deal great for all parties except delusional Alex lovers. Unfortunately Ill have to put up with some cringeworthy play until then but excited that I think the end of the Alex era is almost here.

His best, and only, fit is the Jags.

Running game? Check.
Defense? Check.
Warm weather? Check.

[PAChiefsGuy]

This IS the norm. Yes, he can play better sometimes. But if you look at his entire career, Giants game Alex Smith is the norm, and Patriots game Alex Smith is the outlier.

He's a great qb for the 2-14 Chiefs. But now he's at his plateau, and it's not good enough. If you're content with 9-10 wins first round playoff losses, he's your man.

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No the Giants game is not the norm. If there is one thing Smitty is good at it is taking care of the football. He threw 2 INTs against the Giants. That's completely uncharacteristic of him.

[dls6501]

^Neither the Giants nor the Patriots game is the norm with Alex. The norm isnt 300 yards and 4 touchdowns, nor is it 200 yards and 2 interceptions.

The norm is right around 200 yards, maybe 1 TD, and about 2 or more missed TDs.

[chiefzilla1501]

His best, and only, fit is the Jags.

Running game? Check.
Defense? Check.
Warm weather? Check.

The jags with a good qb can be a super bowl contender. I think the browns are the best fit because the browns aren't looking for a super bowl. They just want a guy who can win some games and bring them to consistent respectability. They have a Gregg Williams led defense and with Joe Thomas back, they'll have Crowell and Duke Johnson in a decent enough running game, plus some pretty good receivers. Alex Smith at this point of his career is a best fit for a team looking for stability not a team hunting for a quick ring.

[splatbass]

It's a combination of many things snowballing. All fingers shouldn't point to Alex Smith although he's the QB, and he's a main focus of the problem.

I think the biggest problem on offense right now is the Chiefs inability to gain good yardage on 1st down. This team is almost always 2nd n long. Esp in the running game. Run plays on first down have been ineffective to say the least. If you're 2nd n short it opens of the playbook to many different options and keeps the defense guessing. The Chiefs are essentially wasting downs on offense. If they improved on first down their drives would be extended more and would have more of a chance to get into the endzone.

This isn't a powerful mauling OL that pushes people off the ball. They're a finesse pussy line thats good at misdirections, offtackles etc. Bottom line is Chiefs are getting their asses kicked in this area. And really on both sides of the ball they're getting their dicks kicked in, in the trenches. Where is Parker Ehinger? Not that he's a world saver like some on here tend to believe but wtf has he been? Is he STILL injured? wtf is the deal there?

Playcalling is atrocious and Alex Smith is going back to his old Alex Smith aka Cpt Checkdown ways. With the Chiefs woes in the running game if they can't fix that then AS has to advance the chains w/ his legs. Need to get about 50-60yds rushing out of the guy per game. That's roughly 12-15yds a qtr, that's not hard, but what it will do is help move the chains. This offense evolves around it's running game, and right now the running game is non-existent. They're certainly not getting any big chunks of yards in the running game. 1 yd here, 2 yds there, the running game isn't moving the chains at all, and again it sucks on 1st down. And in the passing game, Smith is missing people wide open downfield again. Chiefs miss Maclin. I'm still 100% behind his release given his contact. It was just a bad contact to begin with, and he wasn't producing unfortunately like he is this year. But the Chiefs could use him this season. I'm not totally convinced losing Conley was really any significant blow to the offense. Conley to me is JAG. Wilson is now back, but you're not going to anyone around the league say "Hey Wilson is healthy, KC is back!" He's just a small role player. And really that's all the Chiefs have at WR. Hill is still learning the position and really to me, shouldn't be a #1WR, and probably wouldn't be if the Chiefs had better options. And I get he's a HR threat on the field, but I also think many are expecting too much of him this early on. Hill doesn't have any help at WR. He has Kelce I guess, but no true help on the other side.

Reid really needs to get his head out of his ass too. Someone should take his playcalling sheet, headset and escort him to the locker room with 5min left before each half of each game. He's a ****ing cancer during crunch time. The clock always kicks his ass. It's the most maddening thing I've seen w/ a football coach, these guys are paid shit tons of money and they really do some stupid shit. 1min left, down by 3 80yds to go, 1 timeout left...and you run the clock out to end the half? Whos god damn genius idea was that? Running on 2nd n long almost always pisses me off, esp if you're trailing in the game. No excuse for that either. Over-utilizing trick plays and getting cute inside the redzone, esp not being able to punch the ****er in, inside the 5yd line, is also maddening. Alex Smith saying **** it lets take the FG is god damn frustrating as well. Instead of trying to execute how to be cute on offense, they should focus developing a game plan that gets them chunks of yardage. Not these little 2-3yd passes into the flat. Those are essentially wasted passing possessions. The Chiefs are literally wasting possessions on offense.

I actually don't think the OL is much of a problem in the passing game. The Philly game gave the OL some problems but KC still won and that was probably the best DL they've seen all year.

I agree, good post.

[jaa1025]

He was great against NE.
He was Old Alex Smith for the first half of the Eagles game, then fantastic in the 2nd half.
Then he started to regress to old alex with some spashes of great throws each game.
Then the past 5 games, he's been old Alex without that many great QB throws.
Past 2 games he's been frankly awful.

The Giants didn't have to even defend 1/3 of the field because he couldn't throw into the strong breeze.

As the weather gets colder he gets worse. They should bench him for Mahomes before his trade value goes down even more because as history is an indication he will continue to suck in colder temperatures and windy days. Maybe fake another concussion for a 1 game tryout like they did last year for Foles.

The offense needs a spark. A true franchise QB can lift a bad or mediocre offense to greatness. He can't get much worse than Alex Smith has been the past few games and will likely be the rest of the season. This season, with the coaching and practice time he's seen, he will be somewhere in between imo.

[penchief]

No the Giants game is not the norm. If there is one thing Smitty is good at it is taking care of the football. He threw 2 INTs against the Giants. That's completely uncharacteristic of him.

Yes, the Giant game was much closer to the norm regarding Smitty's inability to consistently make plays and score. If there is anything that exemplifies Smitty's tenure in KC, it is that.

The first five weeks of the season is the best Alex Smith has ever played. We were all hopeful that after 12 seasons he had finally taken that step. It was going to be a win-win for all of us. But it was only wishful thinking. He resorted back to being Smitty. Back to the norm. Unable to consistently make enough plays to even score, let alone win.

Of course, Smitty can make plays. Anybody who makes it to the NFL as a QB has shown the ability to make plays. But there is a big difference between possessing the ability to make plays and the really good QBs who consistently make plays. Smitty is the former, not the latter.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

ALL 22:

When Smithian suck just doesn't piss you off enough the FIRST time around!

[kcxiv]

This post is also a reminder of how many damn Alex homers there are. What is the average chiefs fans obsession with overdefending nice guy qbs. Nice doesn't win super bowls, unless it comes with talent to play football.

This fan base is bipolar, they rather get rid of good players for good community guys. 1 and done in the play offs or a competing season and most fans are ok with it.

[AssEaterChief]

These always put me in a bad mood…

We know he sucked/sucks and don't need it rubbed in ad nauseam.

I seriously can't wait until the Chiefs part ways with this guy just because of these threads.

[splatbass]

These always put me in a bad mood…

We know he sucked/sucks and don't need it rubbed in ad nauseam.

I seriously can't wait until the Chiefs part ways with this guy just because of these threads.

There are a lot of people here filled with way too much anger over a game. Some of them need to get a little perspective on what is really important in life. I love football, but it isn't worth getting so angry over. Some of them would do themselves a world of good for their health if they stepped away for a while.

These people will be flaming me soon.....

[Sandy Vagina]

There are a lot of people here filled with way too much anger over a game. Some of them need to get a little perspective on what is really important in life. I love football, but it isn't worth getting so angry over. Some of them would do themselves a world of good for their health if they stepped away for a while.

These people will be flaming me soon.....

Perspectives and priorities. :thumb:

[Pablo]

I started to go through the article, but I've already watched that shit-show once. That was enough for me. You've got to be a masochist to revisit that steaming pile of puke.

[Pablo]

ALL 22:

When Smithian suck just doesn't piss you off enough the FIRST time around!LMAO

I got pissed for a second, then it was comical, but I mostly got tired. Not often a game can lull me in and out of sleep.

[kcjayhawks5]

He’s just not good enough to take the chiefs where they want to go. He’s nice but it’s time for the next thing. These All 22 videos are telling...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

LMAO

I got pissed for a second, then it was comical, but I mostly got tired. Not often a game can lull me in and out of sleep.

Like Cassel before him, Alice has entertained me on many levels, some of them new and exciting even.
Cassel's suck was pure comedy, whilst Smith added a LOVELY element of cock-teasing that I had never quite experienced before in a shitty and worthless Chiefs QB. Quite the little roller-coaster he was, yes.

But like you, I too have grown tired of these half-assed comedy hours, and simply wish this season dead so that we may move on to the Main Event.

Veach rocking a draft, Mahomes taking the snaps, and god-willing an end to Bob Sutton and his shitty, shitty 3-4 defense.

[cdcox]

^Neither the Giants nor the Patriots game is the norm with Alex. The norm isnt 300 yards and 4 touchdowns, nor is it 200 yards and 2 interceptions.

The norm is right around 200 yards, maybe 1 TD, and about 2 or more missed TDs.

This is an objective assessment. It is not good enough to win a Super Bowl without a once in a decade defense and solid running game. With confidence, he could be so much better, but he doesn’t trust himself or his teammates. He avoids mistakes but in the process makes everyone else on the field worse. His hesitations to deliver the ball to open receivers rob them of catches and result in sacks that make the OL look worse than it is. His failure to reliably stretch the field allows the defense to cheat the line to stop the run. Let’s move on already.

[Red Dawg]

Very sound. Takr out the best he's ever done and the worst and thats what you have.

[Molitoth]

This is an objective assessment. It is not good enough to win a Super Bowl without a once in a decade defense and solid running game. With confidence, he could be so much better, but he doesn’t trust himself or his teammates. He avoids mistakes but in the process makes everyone else on the field worse. His hesitations to deliver the ball to open receivers rob them of catches and result in sacks that make the OL look worse than it is. His failure to reliably stretch the field allows the defense to cheat the line to stop the run. Let’s move on already.

If avoiding mistakes means missing wide open touchdowns multiple times a game, .... I just don't know what to say.
And now he is starting to throw stupid Interceptions.

He sucks.

[Sandy Vagina]

If avoiding mistakes means missing wide open touchdowns multiple times a game, .... I just don't know what to say.
And now he is starting to throw stupid Interceptions.

He sucks.

Naw man, this new mantra is just stupid. One could post up multiple "missed wide open target" for every QB in most every game.

Real football is not ****ing Madden. Real QBs do not see every ****ing target all at the same time.. nor can all (most? Pat?) click a button and throw lasers from any angle or standing/running position.

The main problem happening is two-fold.

Alex Smith is not a natural, instinctual QB. He is for the most part.. robotic.. and systematic. That can be very good when everyone does their job as dialed up. That can be very bad, when people are ****ing up around him.

Andy Reid's shit has been analyzed.. and ****ing figured out. When a defense knows what you are up to? you better play perfect football to still beat them. Otherwise.. you are improvising... which goes back to the Alex Smith problem.

No run game. No balance. Defense knows what you are doing, and ****ing up the pre-snap reads. Not good improvising.

all = trouble.

THIS alone is why I actually think Mahomes can save us.. this year. Beyond this year, can he adjust accordingly? eh.. dunno.. up to him.

[KChiefs1]

I can't take this team seriously as long as Alex Smith is the starting QB.

[carcosa]

I can't take this team seriously as long as Alex Smith is the starting QB.

Thanks, same

[notorious]

I know Alex misses wide open guys, but if we did this for the other 31 starters I bet it would be an eye-opener.

Jesus Brady and Moses Rapelisburger probably miss guys, too.

[milkman]

I know Alex misses wide open guys, but if we did this for the other 31 starters I bet it would be an eye-opener.

Jesus Brady and Moses Rapelisburger probably miss guys all the time.

Every QB misses open targets.

But most don't miss them nearly as often.

[notorious]

Every QB misses open targets.

But most don't miss them nearly as often.

At the worst possible time.

[ARROW2]

Every QB misses open targets.

But most don't miss them nearly as often.

VERY TRUE. Plus, those QBs have RINGS, as in multiple. To the poster who compared Alexis to Brady/Ben, please don't compare a scrub like Alexis to those QBs ever again or else I am going to have to revoke the football knowledge card.

[Hammock Parties]

I know Alex misses wide open guys, but if we did this for the other 31 starters I bet it would be an eye-opener.

Jesus Brady and Moses Rapelisburger probably miss guys, too.

That's why Alex has put as many points on the board as those guys throughout his career, too. No difference in them to be honest. Just luck, really. That poor, poor Alex.

[notorious]

That's why Alex has put as many points on the board as those guys throughout his career, too. No difference in them to be honest. Just luck, really. That poor, poor Alex.

Surround Alex with what Brady has had throughout his career and I bet the outcome is similar.

Smith just needs more talent/weapons.

[Easy 6]

Surround Alex with what Brady has had throughout his career and I bet the outcome is similar.

Smith just needs more talent/weapons.

Haha you jokester you

[Hammock Parties]

Surround Alex with what Brady has had throughout his career and I bet the outcome is similar.

Smith just needs more talent/weapons.

https://i.imgur.com/GihXaT0.gif

[Discuss Thrower]

Surround Alex with what Brady has had throughout his career and I bet the outcome is similar.

Smith just needs more talent/weapons.

Um what?

[notorious]

Haha you jokester you

I am terrible at this. LMAO

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I'd rather watch notorious star in a SyFy Original remake of Pumpkinhead than watch another Alex led Chuefs game

[notorious]

I'd rather watch notorious star in a SyFy Original remake of Pumpkinhead than watch another Alex led Chuefs game


Syfy throws some serious eye-candy into their movies. I'm in.

[splatbass]

Every QB misses open targets.

But most don't miss them nearly as often.

Do you have data to back this up?

[O.city]

Do you have data to back this up?

Sure

Look at the chiefs points scored against shit teams be other teams points scored ca shit teams

[splatbass]

Sure

Look at the chiefs points scored against shit teams be other teams points scored ca shit teams

That isn't the same thing. He made a statement of fact, I would like to see data to back it up. How many wide open receivers does Brady miss average per game vs. Alex Smith. Same with Ben and Rogers, etc. I think it would be an interesting and worthwhile comparison.

[Hammock Parties]

That isn't the same thing. He made a statement of fact, I would like to see data to back it up. How many wide open receivers does Brady miss average per game vs. Alex Smith. Same with Ben and Rogers, etc. I think it would be an interesting and worthwhile comparison.

Just look at their average production over the course of their careers, both individually and the offenses they have been in.

This isn't rocket science. Stop making excuses for a lame duck QB, homer.

[splatbass]

Just look at their average production over the course of their careers, both individually and the offenses they have been in.

This isn't rocket science. Stop making excuses for a lame duck QB, homer.

I'm not making excuses for anyone. Milkman made a statement as if it were a fact instead of an opinion. If you make a statement of fact you should be able to show the facts to back it up. I mean how does he know it is a fact if he doesn't have the data to back it up?

If you read back in the thread you'll see where I agreed with someone who was critical of Smith. Some of you douchebags don't even pay attention.

[Hammock Parties]

I mean how does he know it is a fact if he doesn't have the data to back it up?


You don't need hard data to prove that Alex Smith misses more open receivers than Tom Brady. The proof is in their career production.

[ARROW2]

Give brady our weapons...

[carcosa]

Give brady our weapons...

I bet he'd win the freaking super bowl

[notorious]

Robinson would be a 75/1100 receiver too.


I can't imagine what Kelce would do......

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I don't know what the stat lines will necessarily look like because there's only so many passes to go around, but I do know that Patrick will throw it into tight windows consistently and will find the open man and hit him without hesitation... that alone will be a welcome sight.

[notorious]

I don't know what the stat lines will necessarily look like because there's only so many passes to go around, but I do know that Patrick will throw it into tight windows consistently and will find the open man and hit him without hesitation... that alone will be a welcome sight.


One thing is for certain, the defense will have to defend the entire field. Mahomes will also make chicken salad out of chicken shit with his arm instead of his legs.

[rico]

Naw man, this new mantra is just stupid. One could post up multiple "missed wide open target" for every QB in most every game.

Real football is not ****ing Madden. Real QBs do not see every ****ing target all at the same time.. nor can all (most? Pat?) click a button and throw lasers from any angle or standing/running position.

The main problem happening is two-fold.

Alex Smith is not a natural, instinctual QB. He is for the most part.. robotic.. and systematic. That can be very good when everyone does their job as dialed up. That can be very bad, when people are ****ing up around him.

Andy Reid's shit has been analyzed.. and ****ing figured out. When a defense knows what you are up to? you better play perfect football to still beat them. Otherwise.. you are improvising... which goes back to the Alex Smith problem.

No run game. No balance. Defense knows what you are doing, and ****ing up the pre-snap reads. Not good improvising.

all = trouble.

THIS alone is why I actually think Mahomes can save us.. this year. Beyond this year, can he adjust accordingly? eh.. dunno.. up to him.

Ok, so Alex Smith is robotic.... And Madden is a game that can be played via robotic consoles. And Madden isn't real football....therefore is it safe to assume that Alex isn't real football because he's a robot?!?!

[splatbass]

You don't need hard data to prove that Alex Smith misses more open receivers than Tom Brady. The proof is in their career production.

Coming from the guy that loves to post stats.

You actually do need hard data to prove it. You and Milkman are assuming, not proving.

[Hammock Parties]

You actually do need hard data to prove it. You and Milkman are assuming, not proving.

No, you don't. Ever heard of occam's razor?

What you also apparently don't understand is that no one gives a shit about defending Alex Smith anymore.

We don't have to prove anything. Everyone knows what he is.

[Dayze]

If I’m in a fully furnished room, and I smell dog shit.....I don’t need to see a pile of dog shit to know there’s dog shit in the room.

[splatbass]

No, you don't. Ever heard of occam's razor?

What you also apparently don't understand is that no one gives a shit about defending Alex Smith anymore.

We don't have to prove anything. Everyone knows what he is.

As I pointed out to you earlier I am not defending Alex Smith. I am just expecting people to stop pulling shit out of their asses without data to back it up. WTF is wrong with you, are you reading impaired?

[Hammock Parties]

As I pointed out to you earlier I am not defending Alex Smith.

Yes you are. You are a Smith homer. You rush to his defense every time in these debates.

You're so committed to the hopeless fantasy that he's a championship QB that you:

1. Don't care about the obvious evidence that his penchant for missing open receivers is a problem.

2. Invent another fantasy, where Tom Brady or other elite QBs miss open receivers at a similar rate.

You really, really, really like this shitty QB, and you want him to be good sooooo bad that you just invent flights of fancy so you can maintain your cognitive dissonance that the Chiefs can win a Super Bowl with him at QB.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I am terrible at this. LMAO

ROFL

[splatbass]

Yes you are. You are a Smith homer. You rush to his defense every time in these debates.

You're so committed to the hopeless fantasy that he's a championship QB that you:

1. Don't care about the obvious evidence that his penchant for missing open receivers is a problem.

2. Invent another fantasy, where Tom Brady or other elite QBs miss open receivers at a similar rate.

You really, really, really like this shitty QB, and you want him to be good sooooo bad that you just invent flights of fancy so you can maintain your cognitive dissonance that the Chiefs can win a Super Bowl with him at QB.

You're a ****ing idiot that can't read. As I told you already, you ignorant ****ing moron, earlier in this very thread I agreed with someone that was critical of Alex Smith. So, in short, GFY. And have a nice day.

[Hammock Parties]

angry, angry little homer

pathetic

[Otter]

Robinson would be a 75/1100 receiver too.


I can't imagine what Kelce would do...... Yeah, it looks to me like Robinson has legit talent and Smith just can't find him on the field. Good thing is he's here for a couple years and Conley comes back next year.</br></br> Smith has got a bad case of tunnel vision for sure.

[splatbass]

Yeah, it looks to me like Robinson has legit talent and Smith just can't find him on the field. Good thing is he's here for a couple years and Conley comes back next year.</br></br> Smith has got a bad case of tunnel vision for sure.

It could be that he isn't in the right spot. That will come with time as he learns the system better. He was thrown in there earlier than Reid planned.

[Hammock Parties]

It could be that he isn't in the right spot.

IT'S NEVER ALEX'S FAULT ROFLROFLROFL

[splatbass]

IT'S NEVER ALEX'S FAULT ROFLROFLROFL

Alex can find the more experienced receivers, why can't he find Robinson? Conley was always where Smith threw the ball, Robinson is not. Coincidence? I think not.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You're a ****ing idiot that can't read. As I told you already, you ignorant ****ing moron, earlier in this very thread I agreed with someone that was critical of Alex Smith. So, in short, GFY. And have a nice day.

The sore spot; Clay hit it. :)

[Hammock Parties]

Alex can find the more experienced receivers

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

He missed our MOST experienced receiver in the last game.

You are totally beholden to the Cuck Manager.

[hitchief]

IT'S NEVER ALEX'S FAULT ROFLROFLROFL

Its his fault for sure but your sorry ass can only see his faults. Never any other facet of this team has blame.

There is never any rational discussion in here about football, its all panic and hate and crying all over yourselfs.

Yes, Alex needs to be blamed and needs to be better for sure.

But where is your hate for Hunt? He has fallen off the planet during the same period that Alex has sucked. Is this his fault only? Does he need to be replaced ASAP?

When the oline went to shit (because of injuries) it affected both Smith and Hunt. Pretty simple to see really but not in this f###ed up place.

We make stupid penalties (both sides of the ball) to either kill our drives or let the other team continue to eat clock or score.

Reid and Sutton have not done a great job as of late I play calling. I love a good trick play and have been wanting one for years but for god sakes, Reid calls them at the worst dam times I've ever seen (its canny how bad his timing is)

The run D is nowhere to be found and the db's are getting burned by all qb's we face now (the book is out on them that you just throw the dam ball up for grabs and its either a catch or a PI).

Anyway, there is tons to be concerned about with this TEAM but lets get back to Alex sucks cause while looking at game film from above we can all see how Alex can't!

[Hammock Parties]

But where is your hate for Hunt? He has fallen off the planet during the same period that Alex has sucked. Is this his fault only? Does he need to be replaced ASAP?

He's a goddamn rookie making peanuts.

He averaged over 4 YPC in the last game.

You are brain dead.

Reid and Sutton have not done a great job as of late I play calling.


Reid got MULTIPLE receivers WIDE OPEN against the Giants. All Smith had to do was hit them.

You are brain dead.

The run D is nowhere to be found and the db's are getting burned by all qb's we face now (the book is out on them that you just throw the dam ball up for grabs and its either a catch or a PI).

They held the Giants to 9 points, no thanks to Alex's turnovers setting up BOTH scores, in the last game.

You are brain dead.

I mean you are really fucking stupid.

If you got hit by a bus tonight, the human race would not miss you.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Its his fault for sure but your sorry ass can only see his faults. Never any other facet of this team has blame.

There is never any rational discussion in here about football, its all panic and hate and crying all over yourselfs.

Yes, Alex needs to be blamed and needs to be better for sure.

But where is your hate for Hunt? He has fallen off the planet during the same period that Alex has sucked. Is this his fault only? Does he need to be replaced ASAP?

When the oline went to shit (because of injuries) it affected both Smith and Hunt. Pretty simple to see really but not in this f###ed up place.

We make stupid penalties (both sides of the ball) to either kill our drives or let the other team continue to eat clock or score.

Reid and Sutton have not done a great job as of late I play calling. I love a good trick play and have been wanting one for years but for god sakes, Reid calls them at the worst dam times I've ever seen (its canny how bad his timing is)

The run D is nowhere to be found and the db's are getting burned by all qb's we face now (the book is out on them that you just throw the dam ball up for grabs and its either a catch or a PI).

Anyway, there is tons to be concerned about with this TEAM but lets get back to Alex sucks cause while looking at game film from above we can all see how Alex can't!

Of COURSE Reid showcases his numbskullitis on a weekly basis, but he's WORKING WITH WHAT HE HAS.

ONE LAST TIME.

FOR EVERYONE:

Andy Reid MUST have a QB that can be BETTER THAN ANDY REID.

THAT'S HOW THIS WORKS.

The defense needs an enema, a scheme change, and a new Coordinator.

The other aspects of the offense will fall in to line with a better QB, though we should ALWAYS be looking to upgrade and add depth at the Line and any other spots that show weakness or inconsistent output.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I mean GODDAMNIT people; some of you have spent the last 4 years of your lives actually WATCHING every snap of this ReidSmithian shit-show, and you HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT?!?!?!

I'M NOT EVEN A GODDAMNED SCHOLAR OF THIS GAME AND I FIGURED THAT OUT.

Fuck!...LMAO

[notorious]

I get it now. The entire team needs to play flawless to cover Alex's warts.


They managed to most of last season. It's not happening again.

[jaa1025]

Give brady our weapons...

Brady's career has largely been built on no name WR's and running backs and a worse offensive line.

[Red Dawg]

I bet he'd win the freaking super bowl

Brady's career is built on a defense backing him and he has never never never had a bad ol. The Pat's defense has never allowed more that 21 avg in any of their SB years either.

[Hammock Parties]

Brady's career is built on a defense backing him and he has never never never had a bad ol.

ROFLROFLROFL

Fucking false. Any Pats fan will tell you this.

[jaa1025]

ROFLROFLROFL

****ing false. Any Pats fan will tell you this.

The Pats have been my 2nd favorite NFL team since Drew Bledsoe.

Outside of a window with Randy Moss, they have had average WR's that Brady has made look great.

Their SB receiving corps during Brady's reign. Hill is better than each one of those WR's. The Chiefs RB's have largely been better than what Brady has had since I've been a Chiefs fan. They have had very good TE's

XXXVI - Patriots 20, Rams 17

TOP RECEIVERS
WR Troy Brown
WR David Patten
RB Kevin Faulk
FB Marc Edwards
RB Antowain Smith

XXXVIII - Patriots 32, Panthers 29

TOP RECEIVERS
WR Deion Branch
RB Kevin Faulk
WR Troy Brown
TE Daniel Graham
WR David Givens

XXXIX - Patriots 24, Eagles 21

TOP RECEIVERS
WR David Givens
WR David Patten
WR Deion Branch
TE Daniel Graham
FB Patrick Pass

XLIX - Patriots 28, Seahawks 24

TOP RECEIVERS
WR Julian Edelman
TE Rob Gronkowski
WR Brandon LaFell
RB Shane Vereen
WR Danny Amendola

XLI - Patriots vs. Falcons, Sunday

TOP RECEIVERS
WR Julian Edelman
RB James White
TE Martellus Bennett
WR Chris Hogan
WR Malcolm Mitchell

[BigCatDaddy]

Alex can find the more experienced receivers, why can't he find Robinson? Conley was always where Smith threw the ball, Robinson is not. Coincidence? I think not.

I remember the year he found them for zero touchdowns

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I remember the year he found them for zero touchdowns

Magnificent, wasn't it?

[chiefzilla1501]

Brady's career is built on a defense backing him and he has never never never had a bad ol. The Pat's defense has never allowed more that 21 avg in any of their SB years either.

Sorry, but let me be blunt...

Was this meant to be serious? The ol gave up like 50 sacks when cassel was qb. Brady doesn't get sacked because he has extraordinary ability to slide in the pocket and because he has the quickest release in the league. Same ol, different, different results.

And Jfc, the pats defense has been average since mid 2000s. Often times borderine terrible. And while you mention it, he almost won a conference championship with a shite defense and with reche caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his top receivers. So the argument that he's thrived off a supporting cast is totally off.
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Not even sure where the facts are coming from.

[BigCatDaddy]

Magnificent, wasn't it?

As beautiful as used toilet paper.

[ARROW2]

It could be that he isn't in the right spot. That will come with time as he learns the system better. He was thrown in there earlier than Reid planned.

Ypu mean lIke wide open in the end zone and over the middle against pitt when Alecia sailed the ball over his head both tines?

[jaa1025]

1

[ARROW2]

Still, give Brady our weapons......better still, give us Brady and these threads go away. But we have Mahomes, so let's get the party started.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

As beautiful as used toilet paper.

LMAO

[Chiefs Pantalones]

In 2016 and 2017 Alex Smith has 11 interceptions. Only one of those occurred when the temperature was over 60 degrees. He’s a pussy.