Who wins a title first: Andy Reid or Doug Pederson?

[Deberg_1990]

The Master or apprentice?

Discussion.......

[loochy]

I won't say Doug

But I will say not Andy
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[Rams Fan]

They both have a ring from being associated with the 1995 Packers.

Thread fail.

[loochy]

They both have a ring from being associated with the 1995 Packers.

Thread fail.
you know what he meant
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[Eleazar]

I'd bet on Pederson for sure. We definitely let the wrong coach go.

At least with Pederson you have the beginnings of a track record of success and the beginnings of signs he can develop a young quarterback. With Reid we have two decades of precedent that say we're currently getting what we'll always get from him.

[TLO]

I'd rather drink white wine with Billay while engaging in a conversation with Donger than read another DeBerg thread.

[jjchieffan]

Pederson could win it all this season. He's doing very well in Philly. Andy, not so much. I'm going with Pederson.

[Reerun_KC]

Doug - innovative, younger, willing to take a risk vertically down the field to achieve success

Andy - proven, safe, low risk/low reward, boring, predictable

Doug has a better chance by far so I’ll take doug.

[loochy]

Another example of the benefits of never going full retread.

[ChiTown]

Doug - innovative, younger, willing to take a risk vertically down the field to achieve success

Andy - proven, safe, low risk/low reward, boring, predictable

Doug has a better chance by far so I’ll take doug.

QB - Doug has a talented, young Starting QB with balls. Andy has the exact opposite.

Advtg, Dougie

[TambaBerry]

Andy will never win a title he is a good regular season coach but the dude just cant make the right decisions

[The Franchise]

I reserve the right to see how Doug calls plays in the playoffs.

[Deberg_1990]

Doug - innovative, younger, willing to take a risk vertically down the field to achieve success

Andy - proven, safe, low risk/low reward, boring, predictable

Doug has a better chance by far so I’ll take doug.

So once Mahomes is the starter you don't think Andy will change?

[RunKC]

Doug.

Carson Wentz is the best young QB I've seen in my lifetime. Yes better than Manning, Brady and Luck as compared to where they were in their 2nd seasons.

Wentz might be better than Aaron Rodgers. Insane how good he's become from year 1 to 2.

[Deberg_1990]

Doug.

Carson Wentz is the best young QB I've seen in my lifetime. Yes better than Manning, Brady and Luck as compared to where they were in their 2nd seasons.

Wentz might be better than Aaron Rodgers. Insane how good he's become from year 1 to 2.

Hold on young man. Let's at least wait until his first playoffs to anoint

He did get beat by a below average Chiefs defense

[RunKC]

Hold on young man. Let's at least wait until his first playoffs to anoint

He did get beat by a below average Chiefs defense

It was an anomaly unfortunately.

5 sacks and 11 QB hits that day is why we won. By far our best defensive performance all year.
Houston was back, Jones had a career game, Ford looked like he did last year and Bailey looked like he used to.

[King_Chief_Fan]

So once Mahomes is the starter you don't think Andy will change?

Nope

[Valiant]

So once Mahomes is the starter you don't think Andy will change?

No. Because bad play calling, late play calls, clock management are not going away.

[Eleazar]

No. Because bad play calling, late play calls, clock management are not going away.

With a hall of fame type QB, it's possible Reid could win a Super Bowl. The league is so QB-centric now that if you hit on a player like that, they might be able to cover everything else.

The point with Reid is that he makes it harder for his team to win every week. He's a problem that the QB would need to be good enough to overcome.

[Warrior5]

Pederson.

[OKchiefs]

We have a bitch at quarterback. Pederson has an amazing quarterback.

Pederson/Wentz >>>>>>> Reid/Smith

[Marcellus]

Nope

LMAO

They drafted a guy like Mahomes so they could run Alex Smith 2.0 out there right?

LMAO

[Marcellus]

We have a bitch at quarterback. Pederson has an amazing quarterback.

Pederson/Wentz >>>>>>> Reid/Smith

Sometimes I think we have the dumbest fan base on Earth.

[jimidollar]

Pederson has a better chance. Andy's time has run out.

[Rausch]

Pederson has a better chance. Andy's time has run out.

Pederson doesn't coach the Chiefs....

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Doug - innovative, younger, willing to take a risk vertically down the field to achieve success

Andy - proven, safe, low risk/low reward, boring, predictable

Doug has a better chance by far so I’ll take doug.

That has nooooothing to do with the QB I'msure. Morons.

[KCUnited]

Depends on the title.

Super Bowl - Pederson
Mustard Belt - Reid

[OKchiefs]

Sometimes I think we have the dumbest fan base on Earth.

Explain

[Reerun_KC]

So once Mahomes is the starter you don't think Andy will change?



No. See history with philly and HOF QB McNabb.

Not even with Mahomes. Reid will always revert back to his comfort level when the pressure is the greatest.

[Marcellus]

Explain

How long do you think Alex Smith has left as a starter?

[Manila-Chief]

Doug has a chance

The other guy .... not so much! 19 years of failure kinda tells it all.

[MTG#10]

Pederson. Reid will never win a Superbowl.

[Chiefaholic]

Doug has a chance

The other guy .... not so much! 19 years of failure kinda tells it all.

Some of you clowns have already forgotten the Herm Edward's era.

[Reerun_KC]

Some of you clowns have already forgotten the Herm Edward's era.



Which is absolutely pointless to this conversation, so yeah you’re right.


Still Reid has 20 decades of consistent gaffes to fall back upon.

[Easy 6]

Nope

Reid wont change for the most part, but the success of his scheme certainly soon will

[Marcellus]

Which is absolutely pointless to this conversation, so yeah you’re right.


Still Reid has 20 decades of consistent gaffes to fall back upon.

Do you consider Marv Levy to be a failure as a coach?

[Reerun_KC]

Do you consider Marv Levy to be a failure as a coach?



No but I don’t recall Marv having a HOF QB in KC either.

[Buehler445]

I'd bet on Pederson for sure. We definitely let the wrong coach go.

At least with Pederson you have the beginnings of a track record of success and the beginnings of signs he can develop a young quarterback. With Reid we have two decades of precedent that say we're currently getting what we'll always get from him.

It may be all Wentz, man. I wasn't enamoured with his gameplan against us. Which you would think he would bring some creativity to so the staff won't lean on his tendencies too much.

Wentz is good man. So is their nasty ass front 7.

Doug - innovative, younger, willing to take a risk vertically down the field to achieve success

Andy - proven, safe, low risk/low reward, boring, predictable

Doug has a better chance by far so I’ll take doug.

Go watch Clays All 22 thread. Reid is calling plays that would wreck pussies downfield. Smith just must be REALLY nearsighted. Maybe we can get him Lasik.

Sometimes I think we have the dumbest fan base on Earth.

Zilla spent 2 days arguing with me that Squirmin Herman Motherfucking Sack of Cunt Edwards was good for the franchise. AGAIN! So, yeah. We do.

[TribalElder]

In be 4 poll

[JakeF]

Pederson, i don't think that Andy will ever win a title. Wentz wouldn't be Wentz if he was being coached by Andy.

[007]

Doug. I don't think Andy will ever win a title.

[Marcellus]

No but I don’t recall Marv having a HOF QB in KC either.

:facepalm:

He had one in Buffalo and made it to the SB 4 years in a row losing all of them.

Reid made it to 4 NFCCG in a row and lost by 1 score in the SB one of those years.

Basically he won one less game than Levy in 3 of those years. Marv is a HOF coach.

The guy has his issues but 4 straight NFCCG cant be just dismissed.

[Deberg_1990]

Pederson with Foles!

[Spott]

It would have to be Pederson, because Andy's fat ass ain't ever winning one.

[Eleazar]

I'd bet on Pederson for sure. We definitely let the wrong coach go.

At least with Pederson you have the beginnings of a track record of success and the beginnings of signs he can develop a young quarterback. With Reid we have two decades of precedent that say we're currently getting what we'll always get from him.

Solid post

[Stryker]

Solid post

We let Pederson go and we kept Reid :deevee::):rolleyes:

[mcaj22]

:facepalm:

He had one in Buffalo and made it to the SB 4 years in a row losing all of them.

Reid made it to 4 NFCCG in a row and lost by 1 score in the SB one of those years.

Basically he won one less game than Levy in 3 of those years. Marv is a HOF coach.

The guy has his issues but 4 straight NFCCG cant be just dismissed.

yea and his NFCCG are what? 10+ years old now?

in 5 years here he has not gotten anywhere close to a AFCCG. Can't get passed the wild card or divisional round in 1 game. He doesn't even sniff conference appearances anymore.

You can also argue that Jim Johnson carried him to those NFCCG except for 1.

He was in NFCCG games by his 3rd year in Philly. Next year will be his 6th in KC and he hasn't sniffed anything close.

but hey, keep living on his resume from 10 years ago that will help KC in the present.

[Eleazar]

We let Pederson go and we kept Reid :deevee::):rolleyes:

Not only did we keep him, we let him push out the GM

[ChiefsCountry]

yea and his NFCCG are what? 10+ years old now?

in 5 years here he has not gotten anywhere close to a AFCCG. Can't get passed the wild card or divisional round in 1 game. He doesn't even sniff conference appearances anymore.

You can also argue that Jim Johnson carried him to those NFCCG except for 1.

He was in NFCCG games by his 3rd year in Philly. Next year will be his 6th in KC and he hasn't sniffed anything close.

but hey, keep living on his resume from 10 years ago that will help KC in the present.

We got the mother fucking QB now. Enjoy the ride.

[carcosa]

Andy Reid fucking sucks

[ChiTown]

We got the mother ****ing QB now. Enjoy the ride.

I’ve been on this ride for 50 years. Most of it has flat sucked.

[ChiefsCountry]

I’ve been on this ride for 50 years. Most of it has flat sucked.

But for the first time since Lenny and the two years of Joe Montana's corpse we actually have a fucking QB. We got some 2014 and 2015 Royals type years coming up for the Chiefs.

[ChiTown]

But for the first time since Lenny and the two years of Joe Montana's corpse we actually have a ****ing QB. We got some 2014 and 2015 Royals type years coming up for the Chiefs.

They better sure up that D. Right now, that side of the ball is a shit show - starting with our DC

[TimBone]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but it's worth noting. Twice in the last four seasons, we have beaten both Super Bowl teams, and didn't do shit as far as postseason success of our own.

In 2014, we beat both the Pats and Seahawks...but yet couldn't make the playoffs.

This year, we beat the Pats and the Eagles, then got embarrassed by Marcus Fucking Mariota in the wildcard round.

That's a pretty unique achievement considering the Chiefs only play four teams from the NFC every year.

I didn't think it was worth it's own thread, but that's still something that describes the Chiefs perfectly.

[007]

We got the mother fucking QB now. Enjoy the ride.Andy will ruin him

[ChiefsCountry]

They better sure up that D. Right now, that side of the ball is a shit show - starting with our DC

Score a fucking touchdown in the second half and know body gives a shit about the defense giving up points.

[RunKC]

Marrone gets the ****ing Jags with Blake Bortles to the AFC Championship game in his first year.
Pederson gets his team to the SB with Nick Foles in year 2.


Reid gets 2 historical collapses in his first 5 years.

I stand by what I said earlier this month: I would have fired Andy and hired Nagy.

[Eleazar]

Marrone gets the ****ing Jags with Blake Bortles to the AFC Championship game in his first year.
Pederson gets his team to the SB with Nick Foles in year 2.


Reid gets 2 historical collapses in his first 5 years.

I stand by what I said earlier this month: I would have fired Andy and hired Nagy.

True fans will be along soon to remind you how many regular season games he has won

[Sassy Squatch]

Pederson can count on his defense to hold onto the leads they get. Reid can't.

[Eleazar]

Pederson gets a Gatorade bath. Andy is off somewhere getting a sponge bath.

[ILChief]

Marrone gets the ****ing Jags with Blake Bortles to the AFC Championship game in his first year.
Pederson gets his team to the SB with Nick Foles in year 2.


Reid gets 2 historical collapses in his first 5 years.

I stand by what I said earlier this month: I would have fired Andy and hired Nagy.

I think I agree. Andy, like Alex, was what we needed at the time to dig us out of Pioli hell and bring us back to respectability. They have taken us as far as they can. Time to get over the hump. We have the QB, now we need the head coach

[Coochie liquor]

Pederson gets a Gatorade bath. Andy is off somewhere getting a sponge bbq sauce bath.

Fyp

[Deberg_1990]

Doug does!

[carcosa]

LMao

[cdcox]

Andy knows this is on him and will work on fixing it.

[JakeF]

Pederson with Foles!

called it

[Coochie liquor]

Pederson

[cdcox]

Pederson can count on his defense to hold onto the leads they get. Reid can't.

Pedersen also kept the accelerator to the floor the whole game. Andy would be nursing that 10 point lead coming out of the locker room and Lose by 14.

[Eleazar]

And people act like Reid isn’t the problem.

[Deberg_1990]

called it

Because Chiefs!

[Sorce]

And people act like Reid isn’t the problem.Smith was the problem, and Sutton. Who gave them unlimited chances oh yeah fire the kool-aid man.

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[Kyle DeLexus]

Pedersen also kept the accelerator to the floor the whole game. Andy would be nursing that 10 point lead coming out of the locker room and Lose by 14.

This is 100% accurate.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dumbass

[Eleazar]

Andy knows this is on him and will work on fixing it.

ROFL

[crazycoffey]

I'd bet on Pederson for sure. We definitely let the wrong coach go.

At least with Pederson you have the beginnings of a track record of success and the beginnings of signs he can develop a young quarterback. With Reid we have two decades of precedent that say we're currently getting what we'll always get from him.

/ end thread. I agree

[Easy 6]

Did I say something in this thread?

If I did ignore it, go with the facts on the ground

You better wake the **** up, Andy Reid... this was the ultimate wakeup call

[Sassy Squatch]

Did I say something in this thread?

If I did ignore it, go with the facts on the ground

You better wake the **** up, Andy Reid... this was the ultimate wakeup call
LMAO Clark Hunt wanted to keep fucking Pioli around after 2-14. He's not getting rid of Reid unless shit goes so massively sideways we embarrass him by flying planes again.

[GloucesterChief]

LMAO Clark Hunt wanted to keep ****ing Pioli around after 2-14. He's not getting rid of Reid unless shit goes so massively sideways we embarrass him by flying planes again.

Really if I am an owner the banners don't bother me that much as at least it shows the fans care. The empty seats on the other hand are. The opposite of love isn't hate, its apathy.

[Easy 6]

LMAO Clark Hunt wanted to keep ****ing Pioli around after 2-14. He's not getting rid of Reid unless shit goes so massively sideways we embarrass him by flying planes again.

Our former OC just took our former backup QB, that almost everyone here said was dogshit... and smoked a dynasty with him

Holy. Crap.

If this doesnt itch Andys ass then nothing will, its nothing short of amazing and absolutely SHOULD chap Reids ass... he had a Super Bowl Champion QB here all along, and let him go in favor of Smith

GUARANTEE you its an awkward time around Arrowhead right now, wow man... this was right in their FACE

They better sell their mfering souls to set things right around Mahomes... because they dicked this shit UP

[Sassy Squatch]

Our former OC just took our former backup QB, that almost everyone here said was dogshit... and smoked a dynasty with him

Holy. Crap.

If this doesnt itch Andys ass then nothing will, its nothing short of amazing and absolutely SHOULD chap Reids ass... he had a Super Bowl Champion QB here all along, and let him go in favor of Smith

GUARANTEE you its an awkward time around Arrowhead right now, wow man... this was right in their FACE

They better sell their mfering souls to set things right around Mahomes... because they dicked this shit UP
Foles WAS dog shit here, and he's been dog shit everywhere else he's been outside of the stretch in 2013. He was dog shit in Philly with Pederson too, until he let him play the offense he excels in. Props to Pederson for having enough guts to do that for his QB, But there was a reason Foles fell off the face of the earth after 2013.

[Best22]

LMAO Clark Hunt wanted to keep ****ing Pioli around after 2-14. He's not getting rid of Reid unless shit goes so massively sideways we embarrass him by flying planes again.

Why do fans say Clark wanted to keep Pioli and co. after 2012? We were utter garbage, attendance was down, a Belcher happened.

Hunt was going to clean house regardless of what the fans did

[Best22]

Our former OC just took our former backup QB, that almost everyone here said was dogshit... and smoked a dynasty with him

Holy. Crap.

If this doesnt itch Andys ass then nothing will, its nothing short of amazing and absolutely SHOULD chap Reids ass... he had a Super Bowl Champion QB here all along, and let him go in favor of Smith

GUARANTEE you its an awkward time around Arrowhead right now, wow man... this was right in their FACE

They better sell their mfering souls to set things right around Mahomes... because they dicked this shit UP

Foles wouldn't have won a Superbowl with this roster in KC

And Foles did nothing in 2016 to warrant giving him a starting job.

Eagles>Chiefs. Philly's roster is stacked

I'd love to have Pederson though

[Easy 6]

Foles WAS dog shit here, and he's been dog shit everywhere else he's been outside of the stretch in 2013. He was dog shit in Philly with Pederson too, until he let him play the offense he excels in. Props to Pederson for having enough guts to do that for his QB, But there was a reason Foles fell off the face of the earth after 2013.

Foles was no good without the 2017 Eagles all star roster blah blah blah LMAO

You revisionist historians are priceless, never admit fault... just say you knew it all along

[Easy 6]

Foles wouldn't have won a Superbowl with this roster in KC

And Foles did nothing in 2016 to warrant giving him a starting job.

Eagles>Chiefs. Philly's roster is stacked

I'd love to have Pederson though

Your guarantees about who wins what mean less than nothing

Foles won a Super Bowl with an equal roster

[DaneMcCloud]

Your guarantees about who wins what mean less than nothing

Foles won a Super Bowl with an equal roster

So, the Chiefs Front 7 is equal to the Eagles Front 7?

The Chiefs O line is equal to the Eagles O line?

The Chiefs RB Corp is equal to the Eagles RB Corp?

[Easy 6]

So, the Chiefs Front 7 is equal to the Eagles Front 7?

The Chiefs O line is equal to the Eagles O line?

The Chiefs RB Corp is equal to the Eagles RB Corp?

As soon as I seen your name here, I knew you'd be ripping my take

We can argue aspects of all those units, giving some here and taking some there... but the fact remains that Pederson took Kellys roster and completely transformed that straight loser unit in two years

He not only transformed the mindset, and personnel to any extent possible, of that loser squad in 2 years, but he took a QB most here were more than happy to get rid of, and beat the dogshit out of the biggest dynasty of our lifetime with him

Why harangue me with individual unit gripes, Pederson wasnt handed some complete squad... he turned our former backup into a Brady beater

Its time we see Reid do the same with our guys, imperfect as they may be... being a fan of this team and its coaches/personnel doesnt mean they deserve a free pass

You're cracking me here but you know I'm right... our saving grace is that Mahomes is about to permanently change this teams dynamic for the next 15 or so years, so we got that going for us, which is nice

But seeing Pederson in his second year win it all with a backup QB doesnt bother you even a little bit?

Its too late and I'm not up for a fight right now... but come on man, this shit is disappointing

[ping2000]

C'mon people. Everybody knows it is Andy's job to groom people for other teams and their fans. It's all about their hopes and dreams, not ours. Got it?

[carcosa]

Andy Reid is a huge piece of shit who sucks

[GloryDayz]

But but but but but but but but we had injuries, and the Eagles did n.......wait.

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[GloryDayz]

Our former OC just took our former backup QB, that almost everyone here said was dogshit... and smoked a dynasty with him

Holy. Crap.

If this doesnt itch Andys ass then nothing will, its nothing short of amazing and absolutely SHOULD chap Reids ass... he had a Super Bowl Champion QB here all along, and let him go in favor of Smith

GUARANTEE you its an awkward time around Arrowhead right now, wow man... this was right in their FACE

They better sell their mfering souls to set things right around Mahomes... because they dicked this shit UPReid took responsibility, so there's that.

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[lawrenceRaider]

Andy Reid is who he is. He won't be changing his spots at this point in life. After a couple decades of the same thing over and over that should have long ago proven to him that it isn't going to work, how in hell do any of you think he's going to be a different guy now?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

He pulled a Flacco. Will never happen again.

[GoChargers]

He pulled a Flacco. Will never happen again.

In addition to the Super Bowl win, Flacco was a Lee Evans drop away from at least appearing in another one and has more road playoff wins than any other QB in NFL history. Let's not pretend he's some scrub who got lucky. Foles has a long way to go before he can be compared to Flacco.

[farmerchief]

If the Chiefs had Phillys D, Andy may have? Although they did just give up 33 to the Pats!

[GloryDayz]

Andy Reid is who he is. He won't be changing his spots at this point in life. After a couple decades of the same thing over and over that should have long ago proven to him that it isn't going to work, how in hell do any of you think he's going to be a different guy now?

I don't think anybody does, nor do we think Sutton will stop acting stupidly, but that doesn't mean Hunt isn't dazzled by their excuses.

"Next year...."

[ChiTown]

You have to have balls to have babies. Dougie has balls and Andy has a big fat labia.

[Gravedigger]

Shouldn't this be /thread?...

[bricks]

If the Chiefs had Phillys D, Andy may have? Although they did just give up 33 to the Pats!

No. Andy Reid would have went into conservative mode trying to nurse the lead as much as he can only to **** it up at the end.

At least Peterson stayed aggressive on offense and kept scoring. We know that wouldn’t happen with Andy.

[lawrenceRaider]

I don't think anybody does, nor do we think Sutton will stop acting stupidly, but that doesn't mean Hunt is dazzled by their excuses.

"Next year...."

Not sure what Chiefs fans did to deserve Marty, and now Andy, but that's some shit man.

[DaneMcCloud]

But seeing Pederson in his second year win it all with a backup QB doesnt bother you even a little bit?

Nah, it doesn’t bother me a bit. I’m happy for those guys.

Football is the ultimate team sport and the Chiefs team that whooped the Patriots in Week 1 was nothing like the team that lost to the Titans in the Wild Card round.

If the Chiefs had Spencer Ware, Eric Berry, Dee Ford, Chris Conley, Chris Jones and a healthy Travis Kelce in the 2nd half and still lost to the Titans, then yeah, I’d be a little upset.

The Eagles were the best team in the NFL this year due to Howie Roseman, Doug Pederson and Jim Schwartz. Congrats to them on a job well done.

[RunKC]

Nah, it doesn’t bother me a bit. I’m happy for those guys.

Football is the ultimate team sport and the Chiefs team that whooped the Patriots in Week 1 was nothing like the team that lost to the Titans in the Wild Card round.

If the Chiefs had Spencer Ware, Eric Berry, Dee Ford, Chris Conley, Chris Jones and a healthy Travis Kelce in the 2nd half and still lost to the Titans, then yeah, I’d be a little upset.

The Eagles were the best team in the NFL this year due to Howie Roseman, Doug Pederson and Jim Schwartz. Congrats to them on a job well done.

Howie Roseman deserves so much credit. I want Veach to emulate his 2017 offseason.

Guy just killed it last Spring.

[Deberg_1990]

Nah, it doesn’t bother me a bit. I’m happy for those guys.

Football is the ultimate team sport and the Chiefs team that whooped the Patriots in Week 1 was nothing like the team that lost to the Titans in the Wild Card round.

If the Chiefs had Spencer Ware, Eric Berry, Dee Ford, Chris Conley, Chris Jones and a healthy Travis Kelce in the 2nd half and still lost to the Titans, then yeah, I’d be a little upset.

The Eagles were the best team in the NFL this year due to Howie Roseman, Doug Pederson and Jim Schwartz. Congrats to them on a job well done.

Absolutely! Congrats to the Eagles

Also, congrats to Them for proving what a complete fraud Chip Kelly was

[GloryDayz]

Nah, it doesn’t bother me a bit. I’m happy for those guys.

Football is the ultimate team sport and the Chiefs team that whooped the Patriots in Week 1 was nothing like the team that lost to the Titans in the Wild Card round.

If the Chiefs had Spencer Ware, Eric Berry, Dee Ford, Chris Conley, Chris Jones and a healthy Travis Kelce in the 2nd half and still lost to the Titans, then yeah, I’d be a little upset.

The Eagles were the best team in the NFL this year due to Howie Roseman, Doug Pederson and Jim Schwartz. Congrats to them on a job well done.

Quality post...

[Beef Supreme]

It's probably it's a good thing Chris Collinsworth wasn't the replay official. That dude wanted a Patriots win, there is no doubt.