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Best22
12-08-2017, 10:23 AM
For me, it's easy.

The only NFL franchise with fewer Conference Championship appearances is the Houston Texans (est. 2002). The Chiefs and Lions are tied with 1 (and the Lions are a pure garbage franchise with 1 playoff victory since 1958 and a host of other embarrassment, only franchise in NFL that is clearly inferior to the Chiefs)

Here's why it hurts. With Superbowl wins, well, you have around 30 teams, and the game has only been around since 1966. With our SB IV trophy, we are still on track for one every 32 years. Okay then. I don't see that as a proper way to show the Chiefs incompetence as a franchise

But the AFCCG. There are 16 AFC teams. That means 1 of 8 teams play in it. So, mathematically, we should be there once every 8 years. Instead, for KC it has been once every 48 years. That's what bothers me the most about this franchise. Chargers have been there 4 times. Donks and Faiders, lol, I ain't counting all that

So get a team that is actually capable of winning big in the playoffs and maybe just maybe we will appear in that game once again...:rolleyes:

In58men
12-08-2017, 10:25 AM
Alex Smith

/thread

Reerun_KC
12-08-2017, 10:25 AM
Retread coaches

Jank cast off QBs

49er QBS

Commitment to Mediocrity

Infatuation with players past their prime because someone has their jersey.

Pablo
12-08-2017, 10:27 AM
Lack of post-season success in any fashion for an enormous chunk of my life.

They got it right with the QB1 route, so I can't hold that against them anymore. Just have to wait and hope Pat is the payoff for decades of nothingness.

Jerm
12-08-2017, 10:28 AM
Their refusal to make changes and keeping on with the status quo that obviously isn't working...whether it's coaches, players, on the field, etc.

It never feels like we move with the times and always keep trying to shove a round peg into a square hole...

RunKC
12-08-2017, 10:29 AM
Retread coaches

Jank cast off QBs

49er QBS

Commitment to Mediocrity

Infatuation with players past their prime because someone has their jersey.

We tried the whole young first time HC path with Haley and it was an epic. Disaster.

loochy
12-08-2017, 10:31 AM
They suck and they are OK with it
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Reerun_KC
12-08-2017, 10:31 AM
We tried the whole young first time HC path with Haley and it was an epic. Disaster.



And we keep rehashing the trash with the same disaster results. See post season success for last 4 decades.

Chief Northman
12-08-2017, 10:32 AM
More Superbowls needed.

RunKC
12-08-2017, 10:33 AM
And we keep rehashing the trash with the same disaster results.

Nah. I want to see what Andy does with Pat and a new DC. Give Andy a real QB and we'll start winning more playoff games.

KC_Lee
12-08-2017, 10:33 AM
We tried the whole young first time HC path with Haley and it was an epic. Disaster.

Matty Ice didn't help that situation.

BigBeauford
12-08-2017, 10:34 AM
Until Mahomes, the retread QBs. Horrible.

lcarus
12-08-2017, 10:34 AM
You fellas have a lot of growing up to do I'll tell ya that. Ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. Can you believe these characters? Way out of line. WAY out of line. I have a good mind to go to the warden about this. What hurts the most is the lack of respect. Except for the other thing. That hurts the most. But the lack of respect hurts the second most.

DJ's left nut
12-08-2017, 10:35 AM
That they continue to put folks in the Ring of Honor every year even when there's nobody eligible that really deserves it.

It's just rubbing my nose in our willingness to celebrate mediocrity.

Reerun_KC
12-08-2017, 10:38 AM
Nah. I want to see what Andy does with Pat and a new DC. Give Andy a real QB and we'll start winning more playoff games.



Not really interested in Andy. Not then, not next year, not really ever.


19 years and Andy still Andyís.

11Chiefs
12-08-2017, 10:40 AM
Apathy

thegame214
12-08-2017, 10:41 AM
Andy Reid Press Conferences

RunKC
12-08-2017, 10:42 AM
Not really interested in Andy. Not then, not next year, not really ever.


19 years and Andy still Andyís.

Solution?

Prison Bitch
12-08-2017, 10:43 AM
That they continue to put folks in the Ring of Honor every year even when there's nobody eligible that really deserves it.

It's just rubbing my nose in our willingness to celebrate mediocrity.


Every so often you see a post and asy "Why didn't i think of that?"

siberian khatru
12-08-2017, 10:44 AM
Andy Reid Press Conferences

That falls on him, and he's got to take care of that. He's gotta do better.

Chiefnj2
12-08-2017, 10:45 AM
It seems that ever since Marty/King Carl Peterson days there has not been much cohesion between head coach and GM and the general direction and balance of the team.

Gunther - way over his head as head coach.

Vermeil - brought in originally on a 3 year "win now" window. He picked the wrong DC. Then, was given Gunther as DC and the big name free agent approach to immediately fix the D didn't work.

Edwards - Over his head. Should have been apparent from his days with the Jets but the Hunt family is slow to learn. Inherited an old team. When he finally got some of his own players and sacrificed a year of giving a lot of young guys playing time he was fired.

Haley & Pioli - Should never have been paired together. One of the worst matches in history. Felix and Oscar.

Romeo Crennel - Good DC, not head coach material. Should have been apparent to the Hunt family, but they aren't the quickest learners.

Andy Reid & Dorsey - Another bad GM and HC pairing apparently.

All the while the above is occurring you have a franchise failure to draft and develop its own QB.

Prison Bitch
12-08-2017, 10:54 AM
That falls on him, and he's got to take care of that. He's gotta do better.

He'll get it fixed

KCUnited
12-08-2017, 10:56 AM
It's obviously a culmination of many, many, many, many things, but if I had to pick just one it's still Matt Cassel. Still can't believe that happened. A round 1 QB helps, but I really can't take anything they do serious after going all in on Matt Cassel, barring an AFC championship.

notorious
12-08-2017, 10:59 AM
It's a loser franchise that my family infested me with. I am pot-committed.

If I didn't have the entertainment of CP I might have said "**** it" years ago.

Red Beans
12-08-2017, 11:00 AM
I don't want to talk about it.

Tribal Warfare
12-08-2017, 11:01 AM
AIDS and Antifreeze

ptlyon
12-08-2017, 11:02 AM
I don't want to talk about it.

Awwww C'mon Lil buddy... What's the matter?

Rausch
12-08-2017, 11:09 AM
It's obviously a culmination of many, many, many, many things...

This.

Danguardace
12-08-2017, 11:18 AM
Probably not the most annoying thing but would like to see a re-brand I feel the Uniforms and logos need a refresh.

Molitoth
12-08-2017, 11:20 AM
It seems that ever since Marty/King Carl Peterson days there has not been much cohesion between head coach and GM and the general direction and balance of the team.

Gunther - way over his head as head coach.

Vermeil - brought in originally on a 3 year "win now" window. He picked the wrong DC. Then, was given Gunther as DC and the big name free agent approach to immediately fix the D didn't work.

Edwards - Over his head. Should have been apparent from his days with the Jets but the Hunt family is slow to learn. Inherited an old team. When he finally got some of his own players and sacrificed a year of giving a lot of young guys playing time he was fired.

Haley & Pioli - Should never have been paired together. One of the worst matches in history. Felix and Oscar.

Romeo Crennel - Good DC, not head coach material. Should have been apparent to the Hunt family, but they aren't the quickest learners.

Andy Reid & Dorsey - Another bad GM and HC pairing apparently.

All the while the above is occurring you have a franchise failure to draft and develop its own QB.

Pretty much nailed it.

I was fine with trying a young new Head coach with Todd Haley,... but when Pioli strapped him to a bunch of shit QB's he didn't want to work with, he went into "I don't give a fucking shit mode".

I blame Pioli for Haleys mess.

Haley brought some good production out of players and has since gone on to keep the Steelers going as one of the most dynamic offenses in the NFL.

ptlyon
12-08-2017, 11:22 AM
Probably not the most annoying thing but would like to see a re-brand I feel the Uniforms and logos need a refresh.

You, you shut Your WHORE MOUTH!

ptlyon
12-08-2017, 11:22 AM
Pretty much nailed it.

I was fine with trying a young new Head coach with Todd Haley,... but when Pioli strapped him to a bunch of shit QB's he didn't want to work with, he went into "I don't give a ****ing shit mode".

I blame Pioli for Haleys mess.

Haley brought some good production out of players and has since gone on to keep the Steelers going as one of the most dynamic offenses in the NFL.

AND THAT GOES FOR YOU, TOO!

Rausch
12-08-2017, 11:23 AM
It seems that ever since Marty/King Carl Peterson days there has not been much cohesion between head coach and GM and the general direction and balance of the team.

Gunther - way over his head as head coach.

Vermeil - brought in originally on a 3 year "win now" window. He picked the wrong DC. Then, was given Gunther as DC and the big name free agent approach to immediately fix the D didn't work.

Edwards - Over his head. Should have been apparent from his days with the Jets but the Hunt family is slow to learn. Inherited an old team. When he finally got some of his own players and sacrificed a year of giving a lot of young guys playing time he was fired.

Haley & Pioli - Should never have been paired together. One of the worst matches in history. Felix and Oscar.

Romeo Crennel - Good DC, not head coach material. Should have been apparent to the Hunt family, but they aren't the quickest learners.

Andy Reid & Dorsey - Another bad GM and HC pairing apparently.

All the while the above is occurring you have a franchise failure to draft and develop its own QB.

I would agree with everything above other than Reid/Dorsey.

They were completely on the same page. Dorsey just sucked at contracts and shit his pants in the first two rounds of the draft.

Every year.

And, many people say, the first two rounds are important...

Eleazar
12-08-2017, 11:23 AM
being stuck with Andy Reid for 5 more years or so.

Buehler445
12-08-2017, 11:35 AM
Commitment to fucktardery. Somehow, the leadership of the franchise let, King Carl, Squrimin Herman Motherfucking Sack of Cunt Edwards, Franchise Killer Pioli (when he was pitching Romeo. Early on he was a "hot" hire), Goonther, et al that they weren't completely fucking worthless.

I mean come on. There isn't much you can see in any of those guys that doesn't set off the bullshit sensor. I don't see how you can sit in a room with these guys and say, "YEP this guy has it!" It is just maddening.

Clark at least appears to not be loyal to a fault. So maybe he can get lucky.

stevieray
12-08-2017, 11:41 AM
The unwillingness to simultaneously field a complete team on both sides of the ball.

The lack of aggressiveness.

Too nice mentality (Lamar & Clark)

Chief_For_Life58
12-08-2017, 11:45 AM
I work with a very prominant ex chief player. Talk to him regularly about the chiefs. He told me last night that every exec wants to work for the chiefs because our owner is not there everyday. You have zero ownership involvement. Know why the steelers always win? Because the rooneys live 5 minutes away from the stadium, open and close the doors every morning and are not happy with 2nd place. Our owner lives in Dallas, gives the keys to someone and says ok here you go, it was the same with Lamar. The clarks run this organization like a business and only care about the bottom line. Lamar even said on radio back when he was trying to redo the stadium he would rather the team go 10-6 every year and make the playoffs than win the superbowl once, 10-6 allows you to raise ticket prices every year and pad your bottom line. Clark is the same. He probably goes to the exec offices once a month.

Rausch
12-08-2017, 11:47 AM
As a fan of 30 years I think the HC/GM/Owner all agreed once to completely sell out and say "Fuck it - it's this year. Make it happen."

Once.

And I'm not advocating stupid trades or signing the highest priced FA out there. Just maximizing the full advantage of trades/draft/FA signings...

Chief_For_Life58
12-08-2017, 11:47 AM
also to add to that, he said when Andy got hired, it was because everyone got fired, clark had no idea what to do, went to donovan and was like please help, donovan had ties to philly, called Andy, who knowone in the league wanted as a head coach btw, and they hired him. "when the Hunts call, you answer" yeah cus its a free meal ticket to go 8-8 every year

Rain Man
12-08-2017, 11:51 AM
General timidity through all levels of the organization, from players to coaches to GMs to ownership (though with the awareness that Clark seems to be more decisive than his father).

The Mahomes trade is probably the first truly bold decision the franchise has made since drafting Buck Buchanan in 1963.

Shaid
12-08-2017, 11:52 AM
At the end of the day, you need a QB that can take over games, this team hasn't made that a focus and that's why we haven't been to the big show in so long. I'm hoping they've fixed that. Now fix the line on both sides and things will start to look a hell of a lot better really fast.

Rausch
12-08-2017, 11:52 AM
also to add to that, he said when Andy got hired, it was because everyone got fired, clark had no idea what to do, went to donovan and was like please help, donovan had ties to philly, called Andy, who knowone in the league wanted as a head coach btw, and they hired him. "when the Hunts call, you answer" yeah cus its a free meal ticket to go 8-8 every year

Well, you convinced me...

Ghost of Maslowski
12-08-2017, 11:52 AM
What bothers you the most about this franchise?

the absolute inability and seemingly unwillingness to draft and develop starting quality Quarterbacks for the entire history of the franchise.

Rausch
12-08-2017, 11:53 AM
the absolute inability and seemingly unwillingness to draft and develop starting quality Quarterbacks for the entire history of the franchise.

Your timing is off...

Chief_For_Life58
12-08-2017, 11:55 AM
Well, you convinced me...

I mean its true, The Hunts dont live here, theyre not involved in the franchise, they check their bank account every morning and thats it. The steelers, Giants, Cowboys, Patriots, all have ownership that wakes up every morning, goes to teh stadium and thinks about how they can get better as an organization. Our owner wakes up, looks at his bank account, heads to Dallas Country Club to play golf, calls Andy Reid, Andy says yeah everything is fine up here dont worry about it we got it under control, and he gets back to shooting at 105 on the golf course. Prove to me im wrong about our ownership involvement

BDj23
12-08-2017, 12:01 PM
That I'm legitimately starting to think that I'll never see this team win a Super Bowl before i die.

I'm 32.

Rausch
12-08-2017, 12:02 PM
That I'm legitimately starting to think that I'll never see this team win a Super Bowl before i die.

I'm 32.

I'm 41 and I'm telling you that you won't.

YOU WON'T.

BDj23
12-08-2017, 12:04 PM
I'm 41 and I'm telling you that you won't.

YOU WON'T.

I believe you.

Rausch
12-08-2017, 12:05 PM
I mean its true, The Hunts dont live here, theyre not involved in the franchise, they check their bank account every morning and thats it. The steelers, Giants, Cowboys, Patriots, all have ownership that wakes up every morning, goes to teh stadium and thinks about how they can get better as an organization. Our owner wakes up, looks at his bank account, heads to Dallas Country Club to play golf, calls Andy Reid, Andy says yeah everything is fine up here dont worry about it we got it under control, and he gets back to shooting at 105 on the golf course. Prove to me im wrong about our ownership involvement

So our owner acts like a rich guy but the other rich guys don't?

Our rich guy, clearly forged in conservative values, doesn't feel any loyalty to his family name/franchise other than making a buck?

Eehhhh...

Mr. Plow
12-08-2017, 12:09 PM
Nah. I want to see what Andy does with Pat and a new DC. Give Andy a real QB and we'll start winning more playoff games.

This is my argument for those wanting rid of Reid. I want to see what he can do with a real QB under center.

Rain Man
12-08-2017, 12:11 PM
This is my argument for those wanting rid of Reid. I want to see what he can do with a real QB under center.

Pretty much any coach can do well if the quarterback is good enough.

Yeah, I'm looking at you, Tony Dungy.

Rausch
12-08-2017, 12:11 PM
This is my argument for those wanting rid of Reid. I want to see what he can do with a real QB under center.

Good.

You'll have Reid/PM for the next 3 years.

And when you hit 40 three years is a LOOOOOOOOONG time.

Graystoke
12-08-2017, 12:12 PM
What bothers me is that this franchise consistently gives me hope, only to take it away last minute with stupidity.

Best22
12-08-2017, 12:13 PM
Pretty much any coach can do well if the quarterback is good enough.

Yeah, I'm looking at you, Tony Dungy.

Dungy had more success in Tampa Bay than Reid has had in KC

Rausch
12-08-2017, 12:19 PM
Losing doesn't HURT them.

Clark wouldn't set up a ride so a guy could CLIMB OUT A FUCKING WINDOW to sign with him.

Just saying, he wouldn't...

JakeF
12-08-2017, 12:19 PM
The Hunt family, everything starts with ownership.

fan4ever
12-08-2017, 12:24 PM
What bothers me most about this franchise is that they've had enough success to make me afraid that when I do tell them to F-Off one day they'll win the SuperBowl.

Rausch
12-08-2017, 12:25 PM
What bothers me most about this franchise is that they've had enough success to make me afraid that when I do tell them to F-Off one day they'll win the SuperBowl.

This is my greatest fear.

They day I finally become an actual mature adult and let this shit go...



...6 months later they'll win their 2nd SB.

BlackHelicopters
12-08-2017, 01:03 PM
Hunt family. Common thread. Mafia will never let us win.

Ghost of Maslowski
12-08-2017, 01:05 PM
Your timing is off...

not quite as much as yours. Mahomes is still a rookie with zero career starts. if, in say ten or fifteen years, he is still starting and playing well for KC, with a few division titles, playoff wins, and most importantly a ring or two, then i will be more than happy to give him all the credit he deserves. for now though, Mahomes is simply the latest bust QB drafted by this franchise until he proves otherwise. while it won't take very much to become the greatest QB ever drafted by the Chiefs, because that bar is already so incredibly low, there is a very long way to go to prove that he will be among the greatest QB's ever drafted. that is what i am talking about when asked what bothers me the most about this franchise, because that is what i feel has been the single greatest obstacle to seeing KC return to the Super Bowl in nearly 50 years.

i really hope i am wrong about Mahomes, and that he truly is the long awaited answer to our prayers, because the Chiefs have finally accomplished the impossible by drafting a legitimate franchise QB. but i will not get my hopes up, and i will not be holding my breath, and i will certainly not be surprised if the Chiefs history of drafting bust QB's continues to repeat itself.

srvy
12-08-2017, 01:18 PM
I work with a very prominant ex chief player. Talk to him regularly about the chiefs. He told me last night that every exec wants to work for the chiefs because our owner is not there everyday. You have zero ownership involvement. Know why the steelers always win? Because the rooneys live 5 minutes away from the stadium, open and close the doors every morning and are not happy with 2nd place. Our owner lives in Dallas, gives the keys to someone and says ok here you go, it was the same with Lamar. The clarks run this organization like a business and only care about the bottom line. Lamar even said on radio back when he was trying to redo the stadium he would rather the team go 10-6 every year and make the playoffs than win the superbowl once, 10-6 allows you to raise ticket prices every year and pad your bottom line. Clark is the same. He probably goes to the exec offices once a month.

This was going to be my post also. It also goes for the team across the parking lot.

Rausch
12-08-2017, 01:29 PM
not quite as much as yours. Mahomes is still a rookie with zero career starts. if, in say ten or fifteen years...

Here's where I assume humor is being injected.

...he is still starting and playing well for KC, with a few division titles, playoff wins, and most importantly a ring or two...

Who?

Who has a "ring or two" on this team?
Hell, tell me the names of any players who QUALIFIED TO PLAY IN A PLAYOFF GAME on this team.


...then i will be more than happy to give him all the credit he deserves.

No one has achieved anything.
There is nothing to show off.
You can't point out "whom deserves what" when not a person in the field has accomplished jack shit.
We have former ALL-PRO players trying to hang on after the hill and young talent that just can't stay healthy and is TERRIBLE ON THE FIELD.

Herm uses so much flap-jaw he forgets what he says himself.

But he did say this to a bunch of high school kids: "You only get two chances to be great. There's the sunrise and the sunset. There's the time you realize what you are and the day you realize it's almost gone.
You remember those times kids.
Don't forget this. Remember it."

And the way he said it he was so bad at delivering the (negative) message. He was walking and looking nervous and just helping guys stretch properly.

Simply Red
12-08-2017, 01:30 PM
Ownership

Chief_For_Life58
12-08-2017, 01:30 PM
So our owner acts like a rich guy but the other rich guys don't?

Our rich guy, clearly forged in conservative values, doesn't feel any loyalty to his family name/franchise other than making a buck?

Eehhhh...

The other rich guys are in the exec office every day trying to figure out how to win superbowls. Managing the franchise is theyre number 1 daily job. Our owner gives the keys to the GM/President/Coach and says ok go ahead do what you want. win us 8 games a year. I'll make another 150 million off the franchise every year and everything will be good.

stevieray
12-08-2017, 01:31 PM
The other rich guys are in the exec office every day trying to figure out how to win superbowls. Managing the franchise is theyre number 1 daily job. Our owner gives the keys to the GM/President/Coach and says ok go ahead do what you want. win us 8 games a year. I'll make another 150 million off the franchise every year and everything will be good.

same as it ever was

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-08-2017, 01:42 PM
Cuck fans

MMXcalibur
12-08-2017, 01:45 PM
The lack of postseason success.

At some point you just have to laugh at the ineptitude of it all, but man...you would think that a Chiefs team could put it all together just ONE time over the decades of futility they've strung together. Shit, just a postseason VICTORY was elusive until the angels' blared their trumpets and sent Bryan Hoyer crashing into Houston.

Thank Christ they drafted Mahomes and he's getting these rave reviews. That alone is keeping me amped up about the future. I can't even tell you how soul-crushing it would be to have another retread quarterback in the stable.

redhed
12-08-2017, 01:48 PM
They have been way to comfortable being less than mediocre. One playoff win in 30 years? WTF

wazu
12-08-2017, 01:59 PM
For me it’s about process. Do that well and postseason success will follow. Most of my life the Chiefs process did not include trying to draft and develop a franchise QB as any kind of priority. That appears to be changing as they finally took a shot. Now my biggest heartburn is that he isn’t getting to play.

TLO
12-08-2017, 02:00 PM
The Monday night coaches show with Mitch H.

Rain Man
12-08-2017, 02:05 PM
The other rich guys are in the exec office every day trying to figure out how to win superbowls. Managing the franchise is theyre number 1 daily job. Our owner gives the keys to the GM/President/Coach and says ok go ahead do what you want. win us 8 games a year. I'll make another 150 million off the franchise every year and everything will be good.

It's obviously not working out over the past few decades, but on paper it seems like the owner turning the keys over to football guys would be the better system than having an active owner.

The only logical reason that it wouldn't work out is if the owners were actively working to cheat the system. But that would mean that Pat Bowlen and Robert Kraft and Jerry Jones were unethical and ... heyyyyyyyy.

Chief_For_Life58
12-08-2017, 02:33 PM
Like any business, if the CEO isnt in the office everyday managing the business, people are going to do whatever they want and be complacent with doing just enough

wazu
12-08-2017, 02:55 PM
The Monday night coaches show with Mitch H.

That is the most beautiful disaster in a Kansas City.

HemiEd
12-08-2017, 03:19 PM
I used to let each loss get me down. In fact there was a time when it would take me days to get over it, almost make me sick.

The Pinnacle of that was the fucking we took at the hands of the officials and John Elway in the 97/98 Playoffs.

Then again after the 2003 season at the hands of Indy and Peyton.

Now, after watching them for so many years, almost nothing they do bothers me.

They have kept doing the same thing, over and over, and over, and over again.

It is what it is, entertainment.

That being said, Peters did bother me this season. To see him intentionally dog it, pissed me off. I am even over that now. Not a fucking thing I can do about it.

rico
12-08-2017, 03:23 PM
The cheerleaders, for sure!!! They are the WORST!!! They don't inspire our players AT ALL!!!! Ahhhhhh!!!!!!!

http://replygif.net/i/170.gif

el borracho
12-08-2017, 03:33 PM
The Chiefs franchise, overall, seems to lack vision. They have routinely spent valuable resources to acquire other team's rejects at the most important positions. Head coaches and quarterbacks in particular.

Even their minor successes (2 years of Montana; 5 years of Green; 5 years of Vermeil) all were achieved by overpaying which left them fewer resources to build a championship caliber team.

crayzkirk
12-08-2017, 03:40 PM
What bothers me the most is that it seems ownership accepts losing because the fan base accepts losing.

The old saying of: Good enough for who it's for, seems to apply here.

Fans want to tailgate, get hammered, cuss and yell for three hours then drive home without worry of being stopped.

Last week was the first time that I intentionally made plans so I wouldn't watch the game. I'm 59 years old and am tired of expending energy on the Chefs. Revoke my fandom, call me a fair weather fan, etc.

We.Will.Never.Win.With.Andy.
Or.Clark.

They finally managed to destroy my enjoyment of football. That and all the stupid rules protecting the quarterback. Not "our" quarterback, just those special few as chosen by the league.

Hammock Parties
12-08-2017, 03:42 PM
The homers who enable its behavior. Bunch of slack jawed yokels.

Shag
12-08-2017, 04:36 PM
The lack of accountability, top to bottom.

stevieray
12-08-2017, 04:51 PM
The homers who enable its behavior. Bunch of slack jawed yokels.

:rolleyes:

It's the organization, and it started before you were born.

stevieray
12-08-2017, 04:51 PM
The lack of accountability, top to bottom, for decades

FYP

Easy 6
12-08-2017, 04:52 PM
The lack of a gritty, mean fighters mentality... on both sides of the ball

And I don't mean blowing up at the refs or other similar idiocy, I mean going after guys who cheap shot and otherwise play dirty, I mean getting nasty when your QB gets mugged, or deciding that against physical team X we're damn we'll gonna run the ball 3 straight times on 3rd and short to prove a point

It also extends into the office... I used to get so furious at how badly and often Hali would get put in a patented chokehold as he rounded the edge, NEVER getting the call

I expect Clark to raise hell about that kinda shit to the proper authorities, to fight for his ****ing team

cooper barrett
12-08-2017, 05:01 PM
I work with a very prominant ex chief player. Talk to him regularly about the chiefs. He told me last night that every exec wants to work for the chiefs because our owner is not there everyday. You have zero ownership involvement. Know why the steelers always win? Because the rooneys live 5 minutes away from the stadium, open and close the doors every morning and are not happy with 2nd place. Our owner lives in Dallas, gives the keys to someone and says ok here you go, it was the same with Lamar. The clarks run this organization like a business and only care about the bottom line. Lamar even said on radio back when he was trying to redo the stadium he would rather the team go 10-6 every year and make the playoffs than win the superbowl once, 10-6 allows you to raise ticket prices every year and pad your bottom line. Clark is the same. He probably goes to the exec offices once a month.

Someone has been saying something about hiring a CEO....

Chief_For_Life58
12-08-2017, 05:04 PM
Yeah I mean im not going to lie I am part of the problem. I have paid for season tickets for the past 4 years now because I enjoy going to the games and tailgating before the game. Its a fun day. I pay for the organization to perennially be shitty. I dont want to give my seats up. Me doing that wouldnt change anything either. The organization is content with being 8-8 because the owner is content with being 8-8 because the owner lives in Dallas and the franchise makes money. Why move to KC and really be involved and try and win a superbowl? Who cares? Thats Clarks mentality.

cooper barrett
12-08-2017, 05:07 PM
This was going to be my post also. It also goes for the team across the parking lot.

Has anyone ever thought about hiring a CEO?

stevieray
12-08-2017, 05:27 PM
Yeah I mean im not going to lie I am part of the problem. I have paid for season tickets for the past 4 years now because I enjoy going to the games and tailgating before the game. Its a fun day. I pay for the organization to perennially be shitty. I dont want to give my seats up. Me doing that wouldnt change anything either. The organization is content with being 8-8 because the owner is content with being 8-8 because the owner lives in Dallas and the franchise makes money. Why move to KC and really be involved and try and win a superbowl? Who cares? Thats Clarks mentality.

TV revenue is where the coin is....tickets are gravy on top.

And there you have it....No incentive. At all.

iDeaL
12-08-2017, 05:31 PM
The fact that the majority of the fan base seems absolutely content with going 8-8 every year. Then they call other fans "fair weather" for calling out the way the team is playing or how the organization operates in general. And when you say things like "Clark knows all the Chiefs have to do is go 8-8 every year and the stadium will stay filled and they can keep raising the price of parking," they just can't seem to grasp it. Until those lowest common denominator type of fans start demanding more, we won't get more. Correct me if I'm wrong bc I'm not from the KC area, I live in PA. But whenever I get into it with other Chiefs fans on FB that's usually how it goes.

cooper barrett
12-08-2017, 05:49 PM
The cheerleaders, for sure!!! They are the WORST!!! They don't inspire our players AT ALL!!!! Ahhhhhh!!!!!!!

http://replygif.net/i/170.gif

They certaily don't do much for the camera or my chub.

First thing you see is nose.

http://prod.static.chiefs.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/KC/100517-caroline-thumb--nfl_medium_540_360.jpg

Remember what happed here by someone from the KC CHIEFs?

Oakland at an Athletics' playoff game against the New York Yankees on Oct. 15, 1981.

13and3
12-08-2017, 05:58 PM
Fan base. We are so impatient. Always wanting someone fired.

BlackHelicopters
12-08-2017, 06:02 PM
What is the common denominator since inception? Hunt family.

Otter
12-08-2017, 06:32 PM
In order of frustration:


49er backups
1st round playoff exits
Lack of QB drafting and development
Wasting extremely talented athletes dreams of a Championship
Finding ways to lose aka. 'same shit different year'


I'll stick to 5 for the sake of brevity.

gblowfish
12-08-2017, 06:40 PM
Besides the 48 years of losing, you mean?

ChiefAshhole1056
12-08-2017, 06:53 PM
The impatient fans that can’t just trust the process.

Reerun_KC
12-08-2017, 07:06 PM
The impatient fans that canít just trust the process.



If there was a process to trust.

ChiefAshhole1056
12-08-2017, 07:08 PM
If there was a process to trust.

Itís there, just need to stick through it just a little longer.

HemiEd
12-08-2017, 07:11 PM
Fan base. We are so impatient. Always wanting someone fired.

Bingo. The way I remember it, the fans weren't very patient with Todd Blackledge. He couldn't unseat Bill Kenney.

I think that really bothered the Hunts and then DeBerg became a hero.

The rest is history, a long history of safe recycled QBs.

tredadda
12-08-2017, 07:18 PM
We tried the whole young first time HC path with Haley and it was an epic. Disaster.

I might be in the minority on this but I wonder how good Haley could have been had he not worked for the Kim Jong Un of football and been saddled with the worst starting QB in the league (who graded out perfectly) every year.

DanT
12-08-2017, 07:28 PM
This sorry organization was in two of the first four Super Bowls, which were during my early childhood and thus beyond my memory, and they have only made it to one conference championship since. That bothers me. The Royals have played in 8 League Championship Series and won 4 of them since the Chiefs' last Super Bowl. Think about that. On January 11, 1970, the Chiefs were World Champions and had won 2 of the last 4 AFL Championships, while the expansion Royals had only 1 season under their belt. In the time since, the Royals are 4-4 in playing for the right to go to the World Championship while the Chiefs are 0-1 in playing for the right to go to the Super Bowl.

The Chiefs are, at their core, losers, plain and simple. They win regular season games, but they don't have the heart of a champion. I'll never forget the way I felt when we had that 28 point lead on the Colts, knowing we would blow that lead. They are too timid to take the necessary steps to put themselves in position to win the games that matter.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-08-2017, 07:44 PM
Ownership. It doesn't give a rat's ass about winning.

Bewbies
12-08-2017, 07:51 PM
I'd be willing to bet a desire to draft and develop QB's would have made our AFC title games and Super Bowls happen more often. More than anything this displayed a complete either lack of desire to win, or lack of an understanding as to how you create a winner.

Hopefully Mahomes shows them for the next decade plus how dumb that policy was.

stevieray
12-08-2017, 07:53 PM
I'll never forget the way I felt when we had that 28 point lead on the Colts, knowing we would blow that lead.

Me either.

Now take that, and couple it with being at the game and knowing you get to go down after the win to celebrate.

Coochie liquor
12-08-2017, 08:24 PM
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007
12-09-2017, 01:47 AM
That they are happy being mediocre. As long as they have butts in the seats nothing else matters.

crazycoffey
12-09-2017, 03:38 AM
Hope

That's it

This team has caused me to hope more times than I can count. Multiple of seasons. Multiple let downs. And always for different reasons. Coaching, players, games, situations.

As soon as I think they could do good, they implode. That is what I hate about this franchise

Red Dawg
12-09-2017, 06:03 AM
No SB in 50 years and no stud QB to rally behind in 50 years. Mahomes is the most important player they have drafted in 50 years and they are letting Smith play clearly at a time when we have zero chance of a SB.

bevischief
12-09-2017, 07:00 AM
Besides the 48 years of losing, you mean?

This.:cuss:

PAChiefsGuy
12-09-2017, 07:09 AM
The fact this team hasn't drafted an elite QB since forever.. Hopefully that changes with Mahomes...

chiefzilla1501
12-09-2017, 07:24 AM
Conservative as shit. 3 of the last 4 coaches traded multiple picks for a veteran qb (although cassel was a Pioli call) who we stick with and defend way beyond normal. To Dorsey and Reids credit, he's the first coach we've had in a while that wasn't stubbornly loyal to a specific tree but that's plagued us since the days of Marty. We always have this conservative passing attack centered around ball control, defense, and usually establishing the running game (the vermeil years being the exception). We consistently praise lunch pail guys who work hard on and off the field but this team never has enough guys who have a cocky attitude. I think the reason people love vermeil despite the mediocre results is its the first time we had a team in 30 years that was exciting to watch. The rest has been bland, ball control, tight end and running back centric offense.

I hope mahomes succeeds. Because the fans need to see a fun offense again.

TimBone
12-09-2017, 07:55 AM
What bothers me the most about thism franchise is that I'm so god damned loyal to them.

notorious
12-09-2017, 07:59 AM
What bothers me the most about thism franchise is that I'm so god damned loyal to them.

When they've done absolutely nothing to earn our loyalty.

ILChief
12-09-2017, 07:59 AM
Refusing to draft a legit QB and insisting on castoffs. That has changed with Mahomes, so hopefully or fortune change next year.

ptlyon
12-09-2017, 08:01 AM
The lack of accountability, top to bottom.

Just what in the blue belly fuck are you talking about?

Reid is accountable every week.

ILChief
12-09-2017, 08:04 AM
Keeping Bob Sutton. Should have been canned after the Indianapolis meltdown

Black Bob
12-09-2017, 10:40 AM
Lack of playoff success.

Chiefnj2
12-09-2017, 11:54 AM
I might be in the minority on this but I wonder how good Haley could have been had he not worked for the Kim Jong Un of football and been saddled with the worst starting QB in the league (who graded out perfectly) every year.

I would like to see Haley get another shot with a sane, non-paranoid GM.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-09-2017, 01:23 PM
Not lucking into a HOF QB in the 6th round and a castoff coach no one wanted.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-09-2017, 01:24 PM
I would like to see Haley get another shot with a sane, non-paranoid GM.

More home blowout losses than the rest of the franchises prior existence COMBINED under his watch. That's coaching.

Best22
12-09-2017, 01:44 PM
I would like to see Haley get another shot with a sane, non-paranoid GM.


0-7 Dolphins-31
Chiefs-3

2011, Arrowhead Stadium

Shameful.

Haleys offense has the best receiver, best running back + Roethlisberger yet they score fewer points than the Chiefs

Hard pass

Discuss Thrower
12-09-2017, 01:52 PM
Haley hasn't done a lot to suggest the only problem in KC from 2009-2012 was Pioli through having Cassel foisted upon him at QB.

I'd fucking hope you have a productive offense with an upper tier QB, Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell.

jimidollar
12-09-2017, 05:25 PM
You fellas have a lot of growing up to do I'll tell ya that. Ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. Can you believe these characters? Way out of line. WAY out of line. I have a good mind to go to the warden about this. What hurts the most is the lack of respect. Except for the other thing. That hurts the most. But the lack of respect hurts the second most.

Major points for Dirty Work reference. That is all.

chiefzilla1501
12-09-2017, 05:30 PM
I would like to see Haley get another shot with a sane, non-paranoid GM.

Agreed. His offense would sputter because his offensive scheme is terrible. But it would be a well coached team. I don't understand people who give him shit for being tough on players. I don't know if there are many ex players that hold a grudge with him, and supposedly he and big Ben are close despite all the rumors that they couldn't get along.

jimidollar
12-09-2017, 05:38 PM
0-7 Dolphins-31
Chiefs-3

2011, Arrowhead Stadium

Shameful.

Haleys offense has the best receiver, best running back + Roethlisberger yet they score fewer points than the Chiefs

Hard pass

Fuck. That was the last game I attended or will ever attend. It broke me.

ROYC75
12-09-2017, 06:51 PM
I'm 41 and I'm telling you that you won't.

YOU WON'T.

60 and counting.

TBHH, I was 12 when we won it!

ILChief
12-09-2017, 09:21 PM
Agreed. His offense would sputter because his offensive scheme is terrible. But it would be a well coached team. I don't understand people who give him shit for being tough on players. I don't know if there are many ex players that hold a grudge with him, and supposedly he and big Ben are close despite all the rumors that they couldn't get along.

Bernard Pollard isn't a fan I don't believe

Steron
12-09-2017, 09:27 PM
It seems that ever since Marty/King Carl Peterson days there has not been much cohesion between head coach and GM and the general direction and balance of the team.

Gunther - way over his head as head coach.

Vermeil - brought in originally on a 3 year "win now" window. He picked the wrong DC. Then, was given Gunther as DC and the big name free agent approach to immediately fix the D didn't work.

Edwards - Over his head. Should have been apparent from his days with the Jets but the Hunt family is slow to learn. Inherited an old team. When he finally got some of his own players and sacrificed a year of giving a lot of young guys playing time he was fired.

Haley & Pioli - Should never have been paired together. One of the worst matches in history. Felix and Oscar.

Romeo Crennel - Good DC, not head coach material. Should have been apparent to the Hunt family, but they aren't the quickest learners.

Andy Reid & Dorsey - Another bad GM and HC pairing apparently.

All the while the above is occurring you have a franchise failure to draft and develop its own QB.


All of this.

Steron
12-09-2017, 09:28 PM
Itís there, just need to stick through it just a little longer.

How many 3 or 5 year plans did King Carl have?

65TPT
12-10-2017, 12:57 AM
Pretty much nailed it.

I was fine with trying a young new Head coach with Todd Haley,... but when Pioli strapped him to a bunch of shit QB's he didn't want to work with, he went into "I don't give a ****ing shit mode".

I blame Pioli for Haleys mess.

Haley brought some good production out of players and has since gone on to keep the Steelers going as one of the most dynamic offenses in the NFL.

yeah, I wan't ready to move on from Haley at the time.

Ron Swanson
12-10-2017, 02:24 AM
Clark Hunt

DaneMcCloud
12-10-2017, 04:29 AM
Todd Haley

LMAO

Dumbfucks

bevischief
12-10-2017, 05:29 AM
The Hunt family

Nzoner
12-10-2017, 07:05 AM
I used to let each loss get me down. In fact there was a time when it would take me days to get over it, almost make me sick.

The Pinnacle of that was the ****ing we took at the hands of the officials and John Elway in the 97/98 Playoffs.

Then again after the 2003 season at the hands of Indy and Peyton.

Now, after watching them for so many years, almost nothing they do bothers me.

They have kept doing the same thing, over and over, and over, and over again.

It is what it is, entertainment.

That being said, Peters did bother me this season. To see him intentionally dog it, pissed me off. I am even over that now. Not a ****ing thing I can do about it.

Pretty much all of this.I remember being a STH and how those play-off losses would crush me for weeks always questioning how and why.

After years of reading books and watching numerous other games besides KC a light finally came on and I too realized the entire sport is nothing but entertainment and unfortunately I chose to follow a team that is nothing but a character actor in this massive production called the NFL.

Molitoth
12-10-2017, 07:40 AM
Todd Haley

LMAO

Dumb****s

Yes, we know you hate Todd Haley.

Although I'd love to hear your argument on how Pioli set him up in the position to succeed...

Palko, Cassel, Thigpen.

lawrenceRaider
12-10-2017, 08:21 AM
We tried the whole young first time HC path with Haley and it was an epic. Disaster.

I actually think that was more on the GM, not the HC.

lawrenceRaider
12-10-2017, 08:22 AM
Yes, we know you hate Todd Haley.

Although I'd love to hear your argument on how Pioli set him up in the position to succeed...

Palko, Cassel, Thigpen.

All of this. Pioli was the stink that caused Haley to fail. I really don't think Haley had any chance of real success with Pioli picking the players.

notorious
12-10-2017, 09:04 AM
I actually think that was more on the GM, not the HC.

It was as toxic of environment as I've seen.

notorious
12-10-2017, 09:05 AM
All of this. Pioli was the stink that caused Haley to fail. I really don't think Haley had any chance of real success with Pioli picking the players.

If he could have just gotten one position right instead of pushing the same piece of shit down our throats.

SAUTO
12-10-2017, 09:09 AM
also to add to that, he said when Andy got hired, it was because everyone got fired, clark had no idea what to do, went to donovan and was like please help, donovan had ties to philly, called Andy, who knowone in the league wanted as a head coach btw, and they hired him. "when the Hunts call, you answer" yeah cus its a free meal ticket to go 8-8 every year

Pioli was still here when reid was hired.

This can't be true

dirk digler
12-10-2017, 09:45 AM
I mean its true, The Hunts dont live here, theyre not involved in the franchise, they check their bank account every morning and thats it. The steelers, Giants, Cowboys, Patriots, all have ownership that wakes up every morning, goes to teh stadium and thinks about how they can get better as an organization. Our owner wakes up, looks at his bank account, heads to Dallas Country Club to play golf, calls Andy Reid, Andy says yeah everything is fine up here dont worry about it we got it under control, and he gets back to shooting at 105 on the golf course. Prove to me im wrong about our ownership involvement

I agree with alot of what you are saying and I have said many times the biggest problem with the Chiefs is ownership. On the flip side though you can always point to an owner like Jerry Jones who hasn't won shit since Jimmy left. I highly doubt Kraft is doing much demanding in NE either. He shows up on game day and doesn't really have to worry about much.

When you think about it there is a very simple easy formula to win in the NFL but it is extremely hard to do. Which is find a great fucking head coach and draft a franchise QB and you are set for a decade or more. If you don't do that successfully you will be just like the other 20 or so NFL franchises every year.

BlackOp
12-11-2017, 02:53 AM
What bothers me...

That the Hunt family has a long running history of criminal activity...

They had to pay out $130 million in 1988 for conspiracy to manipulate the silver market...

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-08-21/news/mn-1152_1_hunt-brothers

For laymen...this is what happens to rich people when they get caught juking the system. Johnny Normal serves 20 years...

Be worth a billion...wear a suit and people will accept you're a fraud.

Let this be a lesson when you see someone with hair like Chunt..and listen to him talk like a robot. This is a calculated move to "appear" as normal as possible. It's the earmark of a criminal in the "elite" hierarchy and a tactic politicians use...he's currently being sued by the state of New Mexico for ripping off tax payers. He's ripping off people when he doesn't even need the money...that's sickness.

His family is social poison...the worst kind of liars. CHunt is evil...masked as humanitarian. His PR will sell you otherwise...judge people by their actions, not words.

I refuse to support his company..the Chiefs..unfortunately, his family has greased the political tax gears to the point that every citizens has to pay for the maintenance of his stadium. Sham job of the highest order...rotten apples dont fall far from the tree.

Mile High Mania
12-11-2017, 07:36 AM
What bothers me...

That the Hunt family has a long running history of criminal activity...

They had to pay out $130 million in 1988 for conspiracy to manipulate the silver market...

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-08-21/news/mn-1152_1_hunt-brothers

For laymen...this is what happens to rich people when they get caught juking the system. Johnny Normal serves 20 years...

Be worth a billion...wear a suit and people will accept you're a fraud.

Let this be a lesson when you see someone with hair like Chunt..and listen to him talk like a robot. This is a calculated move to "appear" as normal as possible. It's the earmark of a criminal in the "elite" hierarchy and a tactic politicians use...he's currently being sued by the state of New Mexico for ripping off tax payers. He's ripping off people when he doesn't even need the money...that's sickness.

His family is social poison...the worst kind of liars. CHunt is evil...masked as humanitarian. His PR will sell you otherwise...judge people by their actions, not words.

I refuse to support his company..the Chiefs..unfortunately, his family has greased the political tax gears to the point that every citizens has to pay for the maintenance of his stadium. Sham job of the highest order...rotten apples dont fall far from the tree.

If this were all true... just avoid it all, or go out and be vocal about the discontent with the business.

thegame214
12-11-2017, 07:44 AM
If this were all true... just avoid it all, or go out and be vocal about the discontent with the business.

Marcus Peters said it best lol



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SuperBowl4
12-11-2017, 10:59 AM
The pricing for the CLUB LEVEL. And the flex pricing they do when they adjust the price of a unsold seat to what the average resale market is asking. NOT COOL.

Best22
01-22-2018, 11:21 AM
Also, watching NotChiefs vs NotChiefs in the Superbowl gets tiring

Doug Marrone and Bortles do what KC has done once in 48 years:

Play in an AFCCG

It's only Jacksonvilles third appearance. What a great franchise the Jags are:rolleyes:

Pawnmower
01-22-2018, 11:27 AM
Not taking risks in the draft...

The Fisher pick for example....just awful. Finally I feel like next season will be the start of something good. Even if Mahomes is a bust...at least we swung the bat.

Nothing bothers me more than not trying

Chiefs Moon
01-22-2018, 11:28 AM
Clark is damn near a financial genius and he let the cap get out of control. He let the franchise down by being so hands off. That's the one area you can't hire someone smarter/better than Clark.

KCChiefsFan88
01-22-2018, 11:32 AM
The fact that it takes a 2-14/rock bottom type season for Clark Hunt to hold people accountable and make necessary changes.

I had hopes that the decision to fire John Dorsey would be a sign that the Chiefs were breaking from this historical tendency, but the fact that Andy Reid has not fired (or has been forced to fire by Clark) a single assistant coach after the latest playoff collapse, shows the lack of accountability continues at One Arrowhead Drive.

Best22
01-22-2018, 12:03 PM
The fact that it takes a 2-14/rock bottom type season for Clark Hunt to hold people accountable and make necessary changes.

I had hopes that the decision to fire John Dorsey would be a sign that the Chiefs were breaking from this historical tendency, but the fact that Andy Reid has not fired (or has been forced to fire by Clark) a single assistant coach after the latest playoff collapse, shows the lack of accountability continues at One Arrowhead Drive.

Reid calls plays that get people open

We just never had a quarterback that could consistently get it to them

hitchief
01-22-2018, 12:16 PM
Reid calls plays that get people open

We just never had a quarterback that could consistently get it to them

Really? that's what you come up with?

Not even true but fits your narrative so its got that going for you.

Always boils down to the management no matter in the NFL or the business world. Ownership has been pretty nonexistent and has let the GM and HC run the show so it falls on those 2 positions to get the right players and then put those players in the best position to succeed. Andy just does not have the ability to coach his way out of box. Never holds anyone or even unit accountable for anything, ever!

Just look at the Pats, yes they have Brady but that game yesterday was a great example of in game adjustments and how that team fights on both sides of the ball. They all know their jobs and are accountable and if they don't preform they are gone. D made huge plays in the second half to keep them in the game and then win it at the very end. Brady makes tons of throws mostly very good but for gods sake did you see the wr's laying out for some of those throws? Every dam player made a play when it counted and I've never seen this team even come close to an effort like that one by them yesterday.

Chief_For_Life58
01-22-2018, 12:31 PM
ownership. ownership doesnt care if we win or lose. They profit

gblowfish
01-22-2018, 12:39 PM
I think that it fancies itself a a 'Storied" franchise. Like the kingdom they propose to be. They're like Sicily. Storied, sure. But also the most conquered country in history.

BWillie
01-22-2018, 12:42 PM
For me, it's easy.

The only NFL franchise with fewer Conference Championship appearances is the Houston Texans (est. 2002). The Chiefs and Lions are tied with 1 (and the Lions are a pure garbage franchise with 1 playoff victory since 1958 and a host of other embarrassment, only franchise in NFL that is clearly inferior to the Chiefs)

Here's why it hurts. With Superbowl wins, well, you have around 30 teams, and the game has only been around since 1966. With our SB IV trophy, we are still on track for one every 32 years. Okay then. I don't see that as a proper way to show the Chiefs incompetence as a franchise

But the AFCCG. There are 16 AFC teams. That means 1 of 8 teams play in it. So, mathematically, we should be there once every 8 years. Instead, for KC it has been once every 48 years. That's what bothers me the most about this franchise. Chargers have been there 4 times. Donks and Faiders, lol, I ain't counting all that

So get a team that is actually capable of winning big in the playoffs and maybe just maybe we will appear in that game once again...:rolleyes:

I don't actually blame anyone on the Chiefs this year. They just got so unbelievably unlucky it is unfathomable.

1) Best player gets concussed in 2nd quarter. Out for game.
2) Opponent catches his own TD pass.
3) TWO botched fumble recoveries, that were ACTUALLY fumbles. One of them was even blown dead that would have went for a TD.

Only thing you can really blame is lack of Alex Smith's playmaking ability to go down the field on the last possession to win the game, and that is a reach.

redhed
01-22-2018, 12:53 PM
That ownership, despite saying they are committed to winning, are not committed to winning. Would the Rooneys or Krafts of the NFL be satisfied with this season? Hell, Pitt fired their OC after a great year! What happened in KC? Pats on the back for mediocrity, yay!!

bigjosh
01-22-2018, 01:02 PM
That ownership, despite saying they are committed to winning, are not committed to winning. Would the Rooneys or Krafts of the NFL be satisfied with this season? Hell, Pitt fired their OC after a great year! What happened in KC? Pats on the back for mediocrity, yay!!

I hate when people say that Clark isn't invested or doesn't care.

The guy has gone out and got the highest profile GM available, then when that failed he got the highest profile coach. After 4 straight winning seasons, he fired his GM because he was unhappy with the way certain aspects of the personnel department were working.

To say that Clark is "okay with mediocrity" is kind of a slap in his face. The guy is putting the money down and getting the guys to get this team where it needs to be.

RunKC
01-22-2018, 01:06 PM
The fact that it takes a 2-14/rock bottom type season for Clark Hunt to hold people accountable and make necessary changes.

I had hopes that the decision to fire John Dorsey would be a sign that the Chiefs were breaking from this historical tendency, but the fact that Andy Reid has not fired (or has been forced to fire by Clark) a single assistant coach after the latest playoff collapse, shows the lack of accountability continues at One Arrowhead Drive.

Please name all of these teams that do what you want the Chiefs to do.

Easy 6
01-22-2018, 01:22 PM
I hate when people say that Clark isn't invested or doesn't care.

The guy has gone out and got the highest profile GM available, then when that failed he got the highest profile coach. After 4 straight winning seasons, he fired his GM because he was unhappy with the way certain aspects of the personnel department were working.

To say that Clark is "okay with mediocrity" is kind of a slap in his face. The guy is putting the money down and getting the guys to get this team where it needs to be.

I'm with you 90%, the other 10% goes to him not forcing Reids hand on Sutton, and other potential coaching changes

On the other hand, Clark isnt the football man... its REIDS job to know when a change is needed

DaneMcCloud
01-22-2018, 01:26 PM
What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a fucking brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

RunKC
01-22-2018, 01:45 PM
Damn Dane that’s pretty scathing, although it’s easy to admit that the Chiefs were a tire fire in the 70’s and 80’s.

In the last 32 years, this has been the AFC rep in the SB:

John Elway 5X
Boomer Esiason
Jim Kelly 4X
Stan Humphries
Neil O’Donnell
Drew Bledsoe
Steve McNair
Trent Dilfer
Rich Gannon
Tom Brady 8X
Joe Flacco
Peyton Manning 4X
Big Ben 3X

It’s a QB league, and hopefully we finally have ours. We’ve proven we have a good enough team many times before, including last season.

Leagues are dominated by special QB’s that have been guided by good coaches/GM’s.

I really do believe that if Pat is that guy, we could have a shot after the Brady dynasty.

Eleazar
01-22-2018, 01:46 PM
Ownership complacency

As I posted in another thread, New England has an engaged owner who is passionate about the team and has made two head coaching hires, both of whom went on to win Super Bowls later (though one with another team).

Carroll was making postseason appearances but the team had regressed and Kraft wasn't satisfied with playoff appearances. He made a great hire in Belichick and it lead to two decades of success.

The Chiefs are the Chiefs because over the last 50 years, the Hunts have never made a hire like that.

KCChiefsFan88
01-22-2018, 02:09 PM
Please name all of these teams that do what you want the Chiefs to do.

How about the Carolina Panthers and the Buffalo Bills... i.e. two of the three non-Chiefs teams who lost on Wild Card Weekend and have fired assistant coaches?

How about the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks... i.e. teams that have been to and won Super Bowls during the past decade and who have both made major changes to their coaching staffs since the end of the regular season?

How about the Tennessee Titans... i.e. the team who beat the Chiefs in the playoffs and "parted ways" with their HC a week later?

gold_and_red
01-22-2018, 02:31 PM
What bothers me most? The fact that tens of thousands of fans showed up at Arrowhead stadium for a playoff game. Stop supporting pathetic results.

RunKC
01-22-2018, 02:48 PM
How about the Carolina Panthers and the Buffalo Bills... i.e. two of the three non-Chiefs teams who lost on Wild Card Weekend and have fired assistant coaches?

How about the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks... i.e. teams that have been to and won Super Bowls during the past decade and who have both made major changes to their coaching staffs since the end of the regular season?

How about the Tennessee Titans... i.e. the team who beat the Chiefs in the playoffs and "parted ways" with their HC a week later?

And you want them to...fire Sutton?

Dayze
01-22-2018, 02:52 PM
I think the fact that the Chiefs will never go to a Super Bowl is what bothers me the most.

Coochie liquor
01-22-2018, 02:56 PM
Ownership complacency

As I posted in another thread, New England has an engaged owner who is passionate about the team and has made two head coaching hires, both of whom went on to win Super Bowls later (though one with another team).

Carroll was making postseason appearances but the team had regressed and Kraft wasn't satisfied with playoff appearances. He made a great hire in Belichick and it lead to two decades of success.

The Chiefs are the Chiefs because over the last 50 years, the Hunts have never made a hire like that.

I think you spelled Tom Brady wrong...

KCChiefsFan88
01-22-2018, 03:04 PM
And you want them to...fire Sutton?

Yes and Andy Heck.

ChiefsCountry
01-22-2018, 03:08 PM
OL is fine. Alex Smith makes it look like dog shit. The defense needs more talent. Blowing up the coaching staff is way over the top. Getting rid of Alex Smith and adding some new pieces to the defense will help.

ChiefsFanatic
01-23-2018, 04:53 AM
This is my argument for those wanting rid of Reid. I want to see what he can do with a real QB under center.It doesn't matter what Andy Reid can "do" with Mahomes, because he isn't going to change the Defensive Coordinator.

We have seen the Chiefs have a dynamic offense. At one point we fielded one of the single greatest offensive lines in NFL history. We had a record setting RB use that O-line to perfection. On that same team we had the greatest TE to ever play. And a QB that, while not spectacular, played at a very high level, leading the most prolific offense in Chiefs history.

And we threw it all away with a joke of a DC running a historically bad defense. And the HC was too loyal to correct the situation.

So, even if Mahomes is out of this world, it will be for nothing.

If Reid won't replace Sutton, then Clark Hunt needs to do it for him, or can them both.

Dorsey didn't do the Chiefs any favors, and so Sutton never really had enough bullets to load his gun, but instead of picking up another weapon, Sutton just kept pulling the trigger on an empty gun. Dorsey failed to build depth in the secondary or linebacker positions, and Sutton didn't adjust to his personnel.

I want Mahomes to live up to his potential, but I am afraid that even if he does it won't matter.

Tge TL;DR version: Reid needs to Fire Sutton, or Hunt needs to fire Reid and Sutton. Veach needs to acquire faster, better linebackers and defensive backs.

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Rasputin
01-23-2018, 05:03 AM
It doesn't matter what Andy Reid can "do" with Mahomes, because he isn't going to change the Defensive Coordinator.

We have seen the Chiefs have a dynamic offense. At one point we fielded one of the single greatest offensive lines in NFL history. We had a record setting RB use that O-line to perfection. On that same team we had the greatest TE to ever play. And a QB that, while not spectacular, played at a very high level, leading the most prolific offense in Chiefs history.

And we threw it all away with a joke of a DC running a historically bad defense. And the HC was too loyal to correct the situation.

So, even if Mahomes is out of this world, it will be for nothing.

If Reid won't replace Sutton, then Clark Hunt needs to do it for him, or can them both.

Dorsey didn't do the Chiefs any favors, and so Sutton never really had enough bullets to load his gun, but instead of picking up another weapon, Sutton just kept pulling the trigger on an empty gun. Dorsey failed to build depth in the secondary or linebacker positions, and Sutton didn't adjust to his personnel.

I want Mahomes to live up to his potential, but I am afraid that even if he does it won't matter.

Tge TL;DR version: Reid needs to Fire Sutton, or Hunt needs to fire Reid and Sutton. Veach needs to acquire faster, better linebackers and defensive backs.

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If they don't improve the defense and Patrick is who we think he is then I really don't see Sutton around much longer because I think Veach will do something about it and Clark Hunt won't tolerate not doing anything about it. With Patrick we have years to fix or tune up what needs to be fixed and tuned up that is the part of having a draft pick quarterback that for the long term can be beneficial the most.

If we can net a couple defensive starters out of this draft by trading Alex Smith that will help any DC look good. Getting Eric Berry back is also going be a huge boost but I don't trust Sutton either so I think this year is going be his last if we continue this tripe of Defense.

oldman
01-23-2018, 07:07 AM
I'm not going to totally put the blame on Clark. Twice he's gone out and got the hottest GM prospect and once a highly thought of OC to be the HC. When the Pioli/Haley/Crennel mess blew up in his face, he made an effort to get the best available HC. It's not his fault the QB draft class was full of crap. Yet we climbed out of those dark years immediately. He had his top 2 guys wanting Smith, so he backed them. He's a businessman, not a guy that watches a lot of film.
I'm not going to place all the blame on Andy, either. He knows exactly what he has in Smith and will rectify that PDQ. I do think Andy has to do 2 things. First, fire Sutton. I don't know who he can get, but we can't allow that mess to go on. Second, he has to start being a SOB. Screw getting a 3 possession lead and then dialing the O back.
Clark needs to have a talk with Andy and take action if the situation isn't rectified. If our D continues to blow leads next year with Sutton and Andy won't change, goodbye Andy,

Eleazar
01-23-2018, 08:31 AM
I think you spelled Tom Brady wrong...

Who was it that developed a 6th round pick into a GOAT?

ChiefFanForHire
01-23-2018, 09:02 AM
I hate the fact we aren't one of the teams that eve gets chosen to go t the Super Bowl. Falcons owner Arthur Blank once said "I sure wish my team would get to be chosen to go the Super Bowl" and was rewarded with one, but only the condition that he choke and lose in the second half. But at least he got to go. We must still owe the mob for the overnight completion of arrowhead in the early 70s. Rumor has it that's why we've sucked for 45 years. After seeeing Triplette make up BS and lie about forward progress to screw us out of 10 points instead of just 7, it's probably safe to assume we took the longer payment plan, and we're still in the red.

OKchiefs
01-23-2018, 09:13 AM
The fact that so many chicken shit fans of this franchise have no clue about what it takes to develop a quarterback, and they would rather continue on with mediocrity and chicken shit quarterbacks like Alex Smith. That's what bothers me the most.

oldman
01-23-2018, 10:49 AM
The fact that so many chicken shit fans of this franchise have no clue about what it takes to develop a quarterback.

And you're the HC for what NFL team? We have our QBOTF and he'll be the starter next year, what more do you want?

OKchiefs
01-23-2018, 11:04 AM
And you're the HC for what NFL team? We have our QBOTF and he'll be the starter next year, what more do you want?

What the hell are you talking about? I clearly said my complaint was with the fans.

Rausch
01-23-2018, 11:09 AM
For me it's being frustrated with every HC from Marty to DV to Andy.

All three just failed to admit to their own weaknesses and the weaknesses of their teams...

oldman
01-23-2018, 11:19 AM
What the hell are you talking about? I clearly said my complaint was with the fans.

The hell I was talking about was your implication that you know how to develop a QB, or at least more than "chickenshit fans". I'll agree that there are those that are perfectly happy going 10-6, 1 and done, but the majority of the fanbase knows Mahomes is our future. The fans are not the owners/leaders of the franchise. That's the original question.

Baby Lee
01-23-2018, 11:23 AM
So, even if Mahomes is out of this world, it will be for nothing.

...

I want Mahomes to live up to his potential, but I am afraid that even if he does it won't matter.

Watchit!! Dangerous talk hereabouts!!

OKchiefs
01-23-2018, 11:53 AM
The hell I was talking about was your implication that you know how to develop a QB, or at least more than "chickenshit fans". I'll agree that there are those that are perfectly happy going 10-6, 1 and done, but the majority of the fanbase knows Mahomes is our future. The fans are not the owners/leaders of the franchise. That's the original question.

Fans on this page are not the majority. Take a look at Facebook and social media. A high percentage of fans want to keep Smith, and some even want to extend his contract.

I don't care if you don't like it, my gripe with this franchise is the ignorant (overall) fanbase.

Chief Roundup
01-23-2018, 12:10 PM
The fact that ownership and most fans are satisfied with regular season victories and post season failures. The fact that ownership loves soccer more than football.

GoChargers
01-23-2018, 12:30 PM
Falcons owner Arthur Blank once said "I sure wish my team would get to be chosen to go the Super Bowl"
I have yet to see any proof that Blank actually said this outside of copypastas spread around by conspiracy theorists. Where's the link to this supposed interview?

crayzkirk
01-23-2018, 02:40 PM
What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

^^^ This completely ^^^

Now, I'm just depressed about the Chiefs...:cuss:

notorious
01-23-2018, 02:44 PM
Dane crushed it.

ptlyon
01-23-2018, 03:03 PM
Dane crushed it.

Yes he did! Good job Dane! :clap:

As I was reading it of all of the previous coaches I thought to myself "he's leaving Andy off of the list" but drove it home at the end.

I have a bad feeling about Andy still running this team. I have brought it up here that as long as he is here even with Mahomes, nothing will change. I've been told otherwise, but I will have to see if it happens first. I just pray I'm wrong. Losing out on the talent potential with Mahomes would be a travesty, but certainly would be something this organization would do.

ChiTown
01-23-2018, 03:08 PM
What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

It's like you just mind raped me. :clap::clap::clap:

rico
01-23-2018, 03:16 PM
What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/32/60/9ddc0507e24ae4c54ac4e26660267f73.gif

"Dammit, Danie....Why do you gotta get all smart on us?!?!"

rico
01-23-2018, 03:21 PM
Really? that's what you come up with?

Not even true but fits your narrative so its got that going for you.

Always boils down to the management no matter in the NFL or the business world. Ownership has been pretty nonexistent and has let the GM and HC run the show so it falls on those 2 positions to get the right players and then put those players in the best position to succeed. Andy just does not have the ability to coach his way out of box. Never holds anyone or even unit accountable for anything, ever!

Just look at the Pats, yes they have Brady but that game yesterday was a great example of in game adjustments and how that team fights on both sides of the ball. They all know their jobs and are accountable and if they don't preform they are gone. D made huge plays in the second half to keep them in the game and then win it at the very end. Brady makes tons of throws mostly very good but for gods sake did you see the wr's laying out for some of those throws? Every dam player made a play when it counted and I've never seen this team even come close to an effort like that one by them yesterday.

Sometimes I wonder why we have an up/down vote option for posts.

Then I come across posts like this and I totally see the merit in the downvote.

RunKC
01-23-2018, 03:27 PM
You guys don’t see a trend? Okay coaches have left here and had success. What was the difference?

Bill Cowher-Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Dungy-Peyton Manning
Mike McCarthy-Aaron Rodgers
Marv Levy-Jim Kelly
Doug Pederson-Carson Wentz

You see the big picture now? The biggest problem by this franchise was solved last year when they finally did what was needed to be done.

Every playoff game we’ve lost (aside from the most recent) was because we didn’t have the better QB. It’s no damn secret that the only time we had any consistent playoff success since 1970 was when Joe Montana was leading us.

Ragged Robin
01-23-2018, 03:33 PM
What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

but i thought Mahomes made us an instant SB contendor

You guys don’t see a trend? Okay coaches have left here and had success. What was the difference?

Bill Cowher-Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Dungy-Peyton Manning
Mike McCarthy-Aaron Rodgers
Marv Levy-Jim Kelly
Doug Pederson-Carson Wentz

You see the big picture now? The biggest problem by this franchise was solved last year when they finally did what was needed to be done.

Every playoff game we’ve lost (aside from the most recent) was because we didn’t have the better QB. It’s no damn secret that the only time we had any consistent playoff success since 1970 was when Joe Montana was leading us.

this list kind of works against you as Manning has a totally shit post season record (especially with the Colts), Kelly has a totally shit SB record, Wentz's backup is leading the team and is putting up the same numbers

Tribal Warfare
01-23-2018, 05:28 PM
but i thought Mahomes made us an instant SB contendor





An Alex Only Fans referring to the Chiefs organization as "us"

notorious
01-23-2018, 05:29 PM
The exceptions are not the rule.

CoMoChief
01-23-2018, 05:41 PM
The Hunt family.

There's absolutely ZERO reason to ignore the most important position in all of team sports for 30 something fucking years.

That ended w/ Mahomes...but again...it took more than 30 yrs.

Hunts don't really care about winning. They want TV deals, SaluteTheTroop$ from your DoD tax dollars, parking revenue and butts in the seats.

They've been milking the "We're almost there" business model for decades now...because that's as far as some other team's retread will take them. Guaranteed to win 8-10 games, maybe sprinkle in a playoff appearance once every 5 yrs to help keep the fan's interest. Look no further as to why King Carl was the LTGMIPS until he retired after 08.

Only reason why this last playoff failure wasn't the final nail in the coffin for my Chiefs fandom is because Mahomes was drafted. If they didn't draft a QB last or this next draft, I would have been done all together w/ the Chiefs, and most likely the NFL all together.

Saleenman607
01-23-2018, 07:31 PM
But wait.................

We have the loudest stadium in the NFL :rolleyes: