Sources: Raiders' pursuit of Jon Gruden could include ownership stake

[Quesadilla Joe]

Per Schefter and MortOakland is preparing to pursue ESPN analyst Jon Gruden with an offer so strong it could even include an ownership stake in the Raiders, according to league sources.

Gruden will be tempted to accept it, according to sources, but would prefer not to make any decisions until the regular season finishes Sunday and the Raiders make a final determination on their current head coach, Jack Del Rio, who signed a contract extension last summer.

But Oakland long has appealed to Gruden for a variety of reasons. He would return to an organization he didn't want to leave in 2001, he would inherit a young quarterback in Derek Carr whom he feels strongly about, and he would get to coach a team that is slated to move in 2020 to Las Vegas, where he would not have to pay state tax, as he does now in Florida, where he currently lives. Gruden's contract even could be backloaded to pay him more in the Nevada years and lessen his tax burden during the Oakland ones.

Raiders owner Mark Davis has offered Gruden an ownership stake in the past, according to sources, and if he were willing to do so again, the contract then would have to be approved by all 32 NFL owners. The NFL's finance committee also would have to vet Gruden, but there is no reason to think it would not approve the deal.

Even if it didn't for some unforeseen reason, Gruden's contract could be negotiated in a way that would pay him a commensurate amount if fellow owners or the finance committee did not approve the deal.

But these are not expected to be issues that would impede the deal. There are, however, other complications. Del Rio's agent, Bob LaMonte, also represents Gruden, leading to what one source described as "a lot of sensitive situations." Plus, Gruden has been unpredictable before and when some thought he could make the jump to the NFL, he didn't.

But this time, Gruden would be given enough power in Oakland to be able to reshape the front office, coaching staff and entire organization, though there still are some holdovers from when he coached there.

Gruden declined to specifically comment about the Raiders.

"I don't want to sit here and speculate. ... There is no news to report," Gruden said Saturday. "I can't say I haven't taken any phone calls. I take a lot every year from coaches, some others. ... Yeah, sometimes owners. Guys want to bounce ideas off me. I'm here to help people."

Another source close to the situation said Mark Davis always has held Gruden in high regard, from the time he coached Oakland from 1998-2001, until long after the time that Davis's father, Al, traded Gruden to Tampa. Gruden was in the booth for his final Monday Night Football game of the season last week in Philadelphia, when the Eagles hosted Davis' Raiders.

"The owner," one source said about Davis, "has an affinity for him."

And Gruden still has an affinity for coaching. As successful as he has been as an ESPN analyst, providing color commentary for Monday Night Football and helping create Gruden's Quarterback Camp annual specials, many around the league believed it was only a matter of time before he returned to coaching. More and more, it looks as if this is it.

Gruden recently has been calling assistant coaches around the league, trying to piece together a staff, though he has made calls in other years and never acted upon any of the opportunities that have come his way.

Just last year, the Indianapolis Colts met with him and the Raiders have made other attempts in other years at bringing back Gruden, who still is beloved in the Bay Area.

Pegging landing spots for Gruden from year to year has become a sport within the sport, but multiple people believe it is different this year. One source close to the situation said he expected Gruden to return to coaching in 2018. Others predicted Gruden would wind up with the Raiders.

But Gruden continues to insist that it is nothing more than talk, as there has been talk in other years about his possible return that didn't come to pass.

But this year does seem to be different. This year, there are many sources who believe the Raiders are preparing to make another offer so enticing that it will be difficult for Gruden to turn down.http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21921030/oakland-raiders-preparing-pursue-jon-gruden-possibly-offer-ownership-stake

[BigRedChief]

this aint good. I like the dumbshit in charge.

[Hammock Parties]

Uh oh...

Raiders' pursuit of Jon Gruden could include ownership stake


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21921030/oakland-raiders-preparing-pursue-jon-gruden-possibly-offer-ownership-stake

Oakland is preparing to pursue ESPN analyst Jon Gruden with an offer so strong it could even include an ownership stake in the Raiders, according to league sources.

Gruden will be tempted to accept it, according to sources, but would prefer not to make any decisions until the regular season finishes Sunday and the Raiders make a final determination on their current head coach, Jack Del Rio, who signed a contract extension last summer.

But Oakland long has appealed to Gruden for a variety of reasons. He would return to an organization he didn't want to leave in 2001, he would inherit a young quarterback in Derek Carr whom he feels strongly about, and he would get to coach a team that is slated to move in 2020 to Las Vegas, where he would not have to pay state tax, as he does now in Florida, where he currently lives. Gruden's contract even could be backloaded to pay him more in the Nevada years and lessen his tax burden during the Oakland ones.

Raiders owner Mark Davis has offered Gruden an ownership stake in the past, according to sources, and if he were willing to do so again, the contract then would have to be approved by all 32 NFL owners. The NFL's finance committee also would have to vet Gruden, but there is no reason to think it would not approve the deal.

Even if it didn't for some unforeseen reason, Gruden's contract could be negotiated in a way that would pay him a commensurate amount if fellow owners or the finance committee did not approve the deal.

But these are not expected to be issues that would impede the deal. There are, however, other complications. Del Rio's agent, Bob LaMonte, also represents Gruden, leading to what one source described as "a lot of sensitive situations." Plus, Gruden has been unpredictable before and when some thought he could make the jump to the NFL, he didn't.

But this time, Gruden would be given enough power in Oakland to be able to reshape the front office, coaching staff and entire organization, though there still are some holdovers from when he coached there.

Gruden declined to specifically comment about the Raiders.

"I don't want to sit here and speculate. ... There is no news to report," Gruden said Saturday. "I can't say I haven't taken any phone calls. I take a lot every year from coaches, some others. ... Yeah, sometimes owners. Guys want to bounce ideas off me. I'm here to help people."

Another source close to the situation said Mark Davis always has held Gruden in high regard, from the time he coached Oakland from 1998-2001, until long after the time that Davis's father, Al, traded Gruden to Tampa. Gruden was in the booth for his final Monday Night Football game of the season last week in Philadelphia, when the Eagles hosted Davis' Raiders.

"The owner," one source said about Davis, "has an affinity for him."

And Gruden still has an affinity for coaching. As successful as he has been as an ESPN analyst, providing color commentary for Monday Night Football and helping create Gruden's Quarterback Camp annual specials, many around the league believed it was only a matter of time before he returned to coaching. More and more, it looks as if this is it.

Gruden recently has been calling assistant coaches around the league, trying to piece together a staff, though he has made calls in other years and never acted upon any of the opportunities that have come his way.

Just last year, the Indianapolis Colts met with him and the Raiders have made other attempts in other years at bringing back Gruden, who still is beloved in the Bay Area.

Pegging landing spots for Gruden from year to year has become a sport within the sport, but multiple people believe it is different this year. One source close to the situation said he expected Gruden to return to coaching in 2018. Others predicted Gruden would wind up with the Raiders.

But Gruden continues to insist that it is nothing more than talk, as there has been talk in other years about his possible return that didn't come to pass.

But this year does seem to be different. This year, there are many sources who believe the Raiders are preparing to make another offer so enticing that it will be difficult for Gruden to turn down.

[Reerun_KC]

Yeah that’s not good for KC.

[Hammock Parties]

This is going to be very, very bad for the Chiefs and very, very good for Carr.

The AFC West just got a LOT tougher.

[Buehler445]

Please god give a giant ass contract that will be tough to get out of to a dumb motherfucker who hasn’t been in football in a decade.

[Reerun_KC]

If it happens that not a good thing.

[NWTF]

this aint good. I like the dumbshit in charge.

Yeah no matter what you think of Gruden, Gruden > Del Rio and its not close.

[Hammock Parties]

Gruden was 7-3 against the Chiefs, man.

Don't tell me this doesn't make ya'll break out in hives. LMAO

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Please god give a giant ass contract that will be tough to get out of to a dumb mother****er who hasn’t been in football in a decade.

LOL, I'm not scared of Gruden. He's been outta touch with coaching for 10 years . he has a good gig where he's at anyway. Will never happen.

Agreed!

[ChiliConCarnage]

who cares. Good for him if that dumb ginger gives him an ownership stake

[NWTF]

Gruden was 7-3 against the Chiefs, man.

Don't tell me this doesn't make ya'll break out in hives. LMAO

No, not at all. but he would be better than Del Rio. I think most honest people would admit that.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Gruden was 7-3 against the Chiefs, man.

Don't tell me this doesn't make ya'll break out in hives. LMAO

He would be facing Mahomes you idiot. He has no chance!

[Buehler445]

Gruden was 7-3 against the Chiefs, man.

Don't tell me this doesn't make ya'll break out in hives. LMAO

The last game he coached....ever was week 17 in 2009. Two thousand motherfucking NINE

[Buehler445]

FFS the last time he coached a game Matt Motherfucking Schaub lead the league in passing.

And people think he can step right in without missing a beat?

[Hammock Parties]

Holy fuck man...what if Gruden picks up Alex Smith and this is Gannon all over again?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

[Easy 6]

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[BigRedChief]

FFS the last time he coached a game Matt Motherfucking Schaub lead the league in passing.

And people think he can step right in without missing a beat?Stiil he cant be worse than the current one. It will be an improvement.

[srvy]

Hahahaha Chuckie give me a break. I can see this going about as well as Fisher in St Lou and Shanarat in DC.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Don't really care either way.

[BigRedChief]

Holy fuck man...what if Gruden picks up Alex Smith and this is Gannon all over again?

LMAO LMAO LMAOHe has always had the Mahomes love since before the draft, now he thinks Alex can beat him? ROFL

[RunKC]

ESPN better up his salary 10% bc if Chuckie leaves than ESPN has nobody left to bring in $$

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I feel like Gruden is one of those guys who has been weirdly glorified for so long... and I get it, he's a good coach. He'd be better than what they have.

But everyone acts like this guy is in that Belichick territory with the way they talk about him. He's not even in Andy's league at this point.

[BigRedChief]

But everyone acts like this guy is in that Belichick territory with the way they talk about him. He's not even in Andy's league at this point.Agreed. He's still better than what they have currently.

[NWTF]

Holy **** man...what if Gruden picks up Alex Smith and this is Gannon all over again?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

LMAO Hed stick with Carr, Carr has much more upside than Smith.
Coaching wise Gruden could be a big boost for Carr. He did make Gannon and Brad Johnson look better than they actually were.

[Hammock Parties]

I feel like Gruden is one of those guys who has been weirdly glorified for so long... and I get it, he's a good coach. He'd be better than what they have.

But everyone acts like this guy is in that Belichick territory with the way they talk about him. He's not even in Andy's league at this point.

He would have taken two franchises to the Super Bowl if the tuck rule hadn't intervened, and he went 11-5 with Brian Griese and Chris Simms starting.

He's a legitimately awesome head coach.

[Tombstone RJ]

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ROFL

[BigRedChief]

He would have taken two franchises to the Super Bowl if the tuck rule hadn't intervened, and he went 11-5 with Brian Griese and Chris Simms starting.

He's a legitimately awesome head coach.agree but it was 10 years ago. They think Gruden is God down here in Tampa.

[Best22]

He would have taken two franchises to the Super Bowl if the tuck rule hadn't intervened, and he went 11-5 with Brian Griese and Chris Simms starting.

He's a legitimately awesome head coach.

He would have had to get past Pittsburgh after the "Tuck Rule" game

[tk13]

I feel like Gruden is one of those guys who has been weirdly glorified for so long... and I get it, he's a good coach. He'd be better than what they have.

But everyone acts like this guy is in that Belichick territory with the way they talk about him. He's not even in Andy's league at this point.

He's a good personality. That helps. And he did bring the Raiders their only real success in the last couple decades.

Then he took over a Bucs team that Dungy and his staff developed, and got them over the hump.

That said... he followed the Super Bowl with 2 playoff appearances the next 6 years, and didn't win a single playoff game. People will bring up that he hasn't coached since 2009, but his last playoff win was Super Bowl 37. That was 15 years ago. Derek Carr was 11 years old.

[Hammock Parties]

He would have had to get past Pittsburgh after the "Tuck Rule" game

I'm pretty sure Gannon and the Raiders could have taken out Kordell Stewart's Steelers.

Point remains. Jon Gruden is outstanding head coach.

[Hammock Parties]

He's a good personality. That helps. And he did bring the Raiders their only real success in the last couple decades.

Then he took over a Bucs team that Dungy and his staff developed, and got them over the hump.

That said... he followed the Super Bowl with 2 playoff appearances the next 6 years, and didn't win a single playoff game. People will bring up that he hasn't coached since 2009, but his last playoff win was Super Bowl 37. That was 15 years ago. Derek Carr was 11 years old.

Dick Vermeil II.

[stevieray]

He's a good personality. That helps. And he did bring the Raiders their only real success in the last couple decades.

Then he took over a Bucs team that Dungy and his staff developed, and got them over the hump.

That said... he followed the Super Bowl with 2 playoff appearances the next 6 years, and didn't win a single playoff game. People will bring up that he hasn't coached since 2009, but his last playoff win was Super Bowl 37. That was 15 years ago. Derek Carr was 11 years old.

/thread

[Grim]

Meh.
After winning the Super bowl with the Bucs.he was just *meh*.

[Bewbies]

Don’t feel bad for us, feel bad for Denver. LMAO

[BigRedChief]

Meh.
After winning the Super bowl with the Bucs.he was just *meh*.He won a SB in recent times. Last time the Chiefs won a SB was when hippies were protesting Vietnam in the streets.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Gruden was 7-3 against the Chiefs, man.

Don't tell me this doesn't make ya'll break out in hives. LMAO

Only if you Cuck

[stevieray]

He won a SB in recent times. Last time the Chiefs won a SB was when hippies were protesting Vietnam in the streets.

recent ..?

my middle daughter was six.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Herm Del rio is gone though....The same Del Rio that Wangler was frightened of in the off-season.

[Hammock Parties]

Herm Del rio is gone though....The same Del Rio that Wangler was frightened of in the off-season.

I absolutely never had a single damn positive thing to say about Smell Rio.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

This WOULD pretty much be the nail in the coffin for Denver being in the AFC WEST cellar for a near decade....no doubt about it.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I absolutely never had a single damn positive thing to say about Smell Rio.

You pissed your pants at the thought of facing them dude

[Hammock Parties]

You pissed your pants at the thought of facing them dude

Because they had talent. Not because of their HC.

Now that talent is going to be used properly.

[RealSNR]

Gruden was 7-3 against the Chiefs, man.

Don't tell me this doesn't make ya'll break out in hives. LMAO

You're Jeff Fishering Jon Gruden, dude.

[Red Dawg]

Gruden is a bum. They can have his overrated ass.

[BigRedChief]

recent ..?

my middle daughter was six.and how long ago was 1969?

[Hammock Parties]

You're Jeff Fishering Jon Gruden, dude.

That is SOOOOO unfair.

Like I said...11-5 with Simms and Griese.

The dude was a wizard.

[staylor26]

That is SOOOOO unfair.

Like I said...11-5 with Simms and Griese.

The dude was a wizard.

JFC that Kiffin defense was fantastic. It was clearly a Kubiak/Phillips situation.

Your takes get worse by the day.

Who the fuck is scared of Gruden?

[Hammock Parties]

JFC that Kiffin defense was fantastic. It was clearly a Kubiak/Phillips situation.

Your takes get worse by the day.

If Jon Gruden becomes the head coach of the Raiders, he'll have them back in the AFC Championship before the Chiefs. That's how highly I think of Jon Gruden.

The AFC West is about to get tough as nails. Nine wins ain't gonna cut it going forward.

[staylor26]

If Jon Gruden becomes the head coach of the Raiders, he'll have them back in the AFC Championship before the Chiefs. That's how highly I think of Jon Gruden.

The AFC West is about to get tough as nails. Nine wins ain't gonna cut it going forward.

Your predictions are worthless

[Hammock Parties]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Timing does make sense: Good NFL source told me weeks ago that it would either be Tampa or the Raiders for Gruden. Yesterday, Tampa decided to keep Koetter. So...</p>&mdash; Tim Kawakami (@timkawakami) <a href="https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/947301896917676037?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 31, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[BryanBusby]

I'm not real concerned about Gruden.

[Sassy Squatch]

LMAO it seems like all Clay does these days is try to find imaginary phantoms that the Chiefs and their fans need to be "scared" of.

[BigRedChief]

Your predictions are worthlessMaybe but I'm siding with GoChiefs on this issue. Gruden will make a difference. How much? Who knows. But more positive difference than the current one.

[RealSNR]

That is SOOOOO unfair.

Like I said...11-5 with Simms and Griese.

The dude was a wizard.

But you do this every fucking time, man.

"This coach did this... what the fuck have the Chiefs ever done..." blah blah blah.

You did it with Fisher, and you're doing it with Gruden now.

[RunKC]

Clay, how can we be scared of Gruden right now when we should be scared of Carr raping us this season?

LMAO

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah that’s not good for KC.

Yeah, Gruden is so smart that he took over a Super Bowl team, won once, and destroyed the franchise.

Good hire.

[DaneMcCloud]

Your predictions are worthless

Predictions?

[Sassy Squatch]

Unless Gruden is a master drafter he's going to have a hard time building anything up with the contracts of Carr and that very well paid O Line, not to mention Mack is due for an extension sooner than later.

[staylor26]

Maybe but I'm siding with GoChiefs on this issue. Gruden will make a difference. How much? Who knows. But more positive difference than the current one.

If Mahomes is what it feels like he’s going to be, what the rest of the division does won’t matter.

Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, Hunt

It’s the rest of the division that needs to be scared, not us.

[Hammock Parties]

Clay, how can we be scared of Gruden right now when we should be scared of Carr raping us this season?

LMAO

Carr was hurt this year.

When he's 100% next season, and they have Gruden...I'm guessing 95% of analysts will pick Oakland to win the division.

The Raiders only hurdle these past two years has been Carr vs KC. It's the hump they can't get over.

I'm guessing Gruden can go along ways towards fixing that problem. And if he does...look out.

[RealSNR]

Gruden was 7-3 against the Chiefs, man.

Don't tell me this doesn't make ya'll break out in hives. LMAO

The Broncos beat the Chiefs 7 times in a row from 2012 - 2015.

They haven't won against us since then.

Teams change. Coaches change. Players change.

Don't act like Jon fucking Gruden going up against Reid and Mahomes is the same thing as knocking the Chiefs out of the playoffs against Gunther Cunningham and Elvis fucking Grbac.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

JFC Clay LMAO

You just look for reasons to say the Chiefs are in trouble these days. Every single thing has to be twisted into 'how does it set the Chiefs up to get raped'. Comes off as a really petty agenda.

[staylor26]

Carr was hurt this year.

When he's 100% next season, and they have Gruden...I'm guessing 95% of analysts will pick Oakland to win the division.

The Raiders only hurdle these past two years has been Carr vs KC. It's the hump they can't get over.

I'm guessing Gruden can go along ways towards fixing that problem. And if he does...look out.

Pure speculation that he’s still hurt and that caused his regression.

But moreso just good old fashion excuse making.

[staylor26]

95% of the media picked the Raiders to win the division this year too including you Clay, and a good chunk in 2016.

LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

Pure speculation that he’s still hurt and that caused his regression.

But moreso just good old fashion excuse making.

Wut? He was literally hurt this year. He missed a game. They rushed him back.

I don't think he was 100% the rest of the year.

[staylor26]

Wut? He was literally hurt this year. He missed a game. They rushed him back.

I don't think he was 100% the rest of the year.

Like i said, pure speculation from somebody that is wrong about everything.

[Best22]

and how long ago was 1969?

True, but we aren't calling for Hank Stram to run the Chiefs

[RunKC]

JFC Clay LMAO

You just look for reasons to say the Chiefs are in trouble these days. Every single thing has to be twisted into 'how does it set the Chiefs up to get raped'. Comes off as a really petty agenda.

Watch him do this even after Alex is gone

[Hammock Parties]

Don't act like Jon fucking Gruden going up against Reid and Mahomes is the same thing as knocking the Chiefs out of the playoffs against Gunther Cunningham and Elvis fucking Grbac.

Gruden owned three different Chiefs head coaches.

He's a BAMF.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Mahomes
Hunt
Hill
Kelce

There's not a damned team in the league we are scared of. They fear us...

I told you Carr was a fools gold stat padder that folded under any pressure and was proven right.. again.

[DaneMcCloud]

Like i said, pure speculation from somebody that is wrong about everything.

If by chance you mean everything then yah, everything

[MMXcalibur]

JFC Clay LMAO

You just look for reasons to say the Chiefs are in trouble these days. Every single thing has to be twisted into 'how does it set the Chiefs up to get raped'. Comes off as a really petty agenda.

Jesus Christ, this x 10000000.

We're always in trouble no matter what.
Go play in traffic.

[Hammock Parties]

Watch him do this even after Alex is gone

The road will be hard, but worth it.

I don't expect this team will compete for the division next year, however. We regressed this year, and I expect that regression to continue.

The roster needs a spot of retooling and we'll be developing a young QB. I warmly embrace these growing pains, however.

[NJChiefsFan]

Not really concerned. He would make Oakland better just by default with how bad Del Rio is but he isn't enough of a game changer that a well run Chiefs team can't handle if Mahomes is what we think he is.

And that's not assuming the game hasn't passed him by. Add to that the less then stellar end to his coaching career.

[BigRedChief]

True, but we aren't calling for Hank Stram to run the Chiefshttps://media.giphy.com/media/CHhbP0aBqEkPm/giphy.gif

[staylor26]

The road will be hard, but worth it.

I don't expect this team will compete for the division next year, however. We regressed this year, and I expect that regression to continue.

The roster needs a spot of retooling and we'll be developing a young QB. I warmly embrace these growing pains, however.

All the main pieces will remain intact except for Alex.

Are you going to pull another Sean Smith act?

LMAO

[Best22]

Gruden owned three different Chiefs head coaches.

He's a BAMF.

This is probably the most meaningless thing you've said on this forum

Raiders once went 10 years without winning in Arrowhead. Doesn't have any barring on future games though

[Best22]

https://media.giphy.com/media/CHhbP0aBqEkPm/giphy.gif

Never understood the love affair for Gruden.

He's reminds me of Dungy

[Hammock Parties]

All the main pieces will remain intact except for Alex.

Yes. I'm expecting some growing pains at the QB position. We all should be.

Combined with a defense that is in flux and next year may not be our year.

I like the long-term outlook, but with Gruden in the AFC West Veach and Reid better be shitting tiffany cufflinks.

[threebag]

If Jon Gruden becomes the head coach of the Raiders, he'll have them back in the AFC Championship before the Chiefs. That's how highly I think of Jon Gruden.

The AFC West is about to get tough as nails. Nine wins ain't gonna cut it going forward.

So you chalking Mahomes/Denver up as a loss?

[Hammock Parties]

So you chalking Mahomes/Denver up as a loss?

No offense, but I don't think we should engage each other outside the Romper Room. I bring out the worst in you.

[RunKC]

Andy Reid has thoroughly dominated the Broncos, Chargers and Raiders coaching staffs the last few years.

But hey, freak out and shit like you always do, Clay. You’re a bigger cuck than Alex Smith. Try not being a beta male for once.

[Chief Roundup]

I like Gruden. I think he is a good coach but lets be real here. His career coaching record is 95-81.
Raiders
'98 8-8
'99 8-8
'00 12-4 Lost to the Ravens in the AFCCG
'01 10-6 Lost in Divisional round of the AFC playoffs
Bucs
'02 12-4 Won SB with a team that Dungy built
'03 7-9
'04 5-11
'05 11-5 Lost in the wild card round of NFC playoffs
'06 4-12
'07 9-7 Lost in the wild card round of the NFC playoffs
'08 9-7

That does not just scream that Gruden is "all that".
Gruden does know Andy Reid as they have a long history of working together. Gruden may be able to predict a little bit of what Andy Reid is going to do and how to counter those moves, maybe, Gruden has been away from the game for a decade.

[Hammock Parties]

Andy Reid has thoroughly dominated the Broncos, Chargers and Raiders coaching staffs the last few years.

But hey, freak out and shit like you always do, Clay. You’re a bigger cuck than Alex Smith. Try not being a beta male for once.

Jon Gruden is 4-1 against Andy Reid and 7-3 against the Chiefs.

Shit just got real, my friend.

[BlackOp]

Gruden is over-rated....and a fucking meathead drunk.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Gruden is not a winner . I'm all for him taking over as Raiders HC!

[NJChiefsFan]

I like Gruden. I think he is a good coach but lets be real here. His career coaching record is 95-81.
Raiders
'98 8-8
'99 8-8
'00 12-4 Lost to the Ravens in the AFCCG
'01 10-6 Lost in Divisional round of the AFC playoffs
Bucs
'02 12-4 Won SB with a team that Dungy built
'03 7-9
'04 5-11
'05 11-5 Lost in the wild card round of NFC playoffs
'06 4-12
'07 9-7 Lost in the wild card round of the NFC playoffs
'08 9-7

That does not just scream that Gruden is "all that".
Gruden does know Andy Reid as they have a long history of working together. Gruden may be able to predict a little bit of what Andy Reid is going to do and how to counter those moves, maybe, Gruden has been away from the game for a decade.

Damn if you used Clay's method of only looking at the past 6 groups of things Gruden isn't doing so hot.

[RealSNR]

Yes. I'm expecting some growing pains at the QB position. We all should be.

Combined with a defense that is in flux and next year may not be our year.

I like the long-term outlook, but with Gruden in the AFC West Veach and Reid better be shitting tiffany cufflinks.

So fucking what? It's longterm.

If the Chiefs are in flux next year, they're going to lose games. They might lose some to a Jon Gruden-coached Raiders team.

Oh fucking no. End of the goddamn world. In a year when the Chiefs don't make the playoffs, they have to lose to the Gruden Raiders. It must be because Gruden is such a great coach, right?

[St. Patty's Fire]

This is going to be very, very bad for the Chiefs and very, very good for Carr.

The AFC West just got a LOT tougher.

This is very reminiscent of what you were saying in the offseason abour Carr owning us this year.

I'll believe it when I see it.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Yes. I'm expecting some growing pains at the QB position. We all should be.

Combined with a defense that is in flux and next year may not be our year.


I used to think this, but I'm not so sure anymore.

Virtually the entire offense is returning next year plus Ware and Conley. The defense is getting Berry back and won't lose any major contributors. The entire offseason can be dedicated to improving the defense and offense where necessary.

Unless Mahomes is really bad, and we've got no reason to believe he will be, I don't see why this team can't continue to compete for the division and more.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dude would make ku football to be the 94 Niners. "You never know!!!!"

[Sofa King]

Anything to get that annoying fucker off of announcing games

[srvy]

Not really concerned. He would make Oakland better just by default with how bad Del Rio is but he isn't enough of a game changer that a well run Chiefs team can't handle if Mahomes is what we think he is.

And that's not assuming the game hasn't passed him by. Add to that the less then stellar end to his coaching career.

This could go so wrong for the faid. Say the game has passed him by as I suspect and Gruden sucks. Well now he has a stake in the franchise. Good luck getting him to step away until he is good and damn ready. Make it happen faid Ill take my chances.

[BlackOp]

Anything to get that annoying ****er off of announcing games

God...he's the worst. Nails on a chalkboard...

[thabear04]

If I was Jon Gruden I wouldn’t come back to a team that traded me to another team.

[Chief Roundup]

Gruden owned three different Chiefs head coaches.

He's a BAMF.


'98 was Schottenheimers last year and Gunther Cunningham was the coach in '99 and '00. Vermeil was in his first year in '01.
So what the fuck are you talking about? Hard to "own" a HC that he coached against for one year and the other coach is well Gunther fucking Cunningham.

[threebag]

God...he's the worst. Nails on a chalkboard...

He is better than listening to Buck slurp up Aikman in the booth.

[BigRedChief]

Anything to get that annoying fucker off of announcing gamesHaving the annoying fucker announcing games is better for us than the current coach of the Raiders.

[TribalElder]

'02 12-4 Won SB with a team that Dungy built.

Wasn't this win against his old team the raiders?

Seems like they knew the plays of the defense as I recall

[NJChiefsFan]

He is better than listening to Buck slurp up Aikman in the booth.

Nanz, who I like, is getting close to that with Romo.

[srvy]

What about Reggie is he gonna hang to play second fiddle I doubt. I think he is a good GM that for whatever reason cant select a good head coach. I think getting a established head coach hasnt been easy in Oakland. Ownership's patience to allow young up and comer to develop is zero so you end up with JDR.

[BigRedChief]

'98 was Schottenheimers last year and Gunther Cunningham was the coach in '99 and '00. Vermeil was in his first year in '01.Man our coaching history is depressing to read.

[Hammock Parties]

'98 was Schottenheimers last year and Gunther Cunningham was the coach in '99 and '00. Vermeil was in his first year in '01.
So what the fuck are you talking about? Hard to "own" a HC that he coached against for one year and the other coach is well Gunther fucking Cunningham.

He beat Gunther, Vermeil and Herm.

He was 7-1 against three different head coaches of the same franchise.

To me, that's a sign of a very, very competent coach.

Throw in Andy Reid and you get 11-2.

This is supposed to make me feel good? ROFL

[Chief Roundup]

Jon Gruden is 4-1 against Andy Reid and 7-3 against the Chiefs.

Shit just got real, my friend.

Link?

[Chief Roundup]

Wasn't this win against his old team the raiders?

Seems like they knew the plays of the defense as I recall

Yes it was against his old team and OC that was promoted to HC.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

They may go 9-7 with Chucky...scary! Oh, and he has a boner for our QB...

[Hammock Parties]

Link?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrudJo0.htm

[Chief Roundup]

He beat Gunther, Vermeil and Herm.

He was 7-1 against three different head coaches of the same franchise.

To me, that's a sign of a very, very competent coach.

Throw in Andy Reid and you get 11-2.

This is supposed to make me feel good? ROFL

How many times did he beat Vermeil?
Gunther and Herm both sucked and were not competent so they don't count as quality victories.

[ThaVirus]

This is going to be very, very bad for the Chiefs and very, very good for Carr.

The AFC West just got a LOT tougher.

Dude, shut the fuck up. You're such a fucking pussy.

Don't you ever get tired of blowing every move our division rivals make?

"Ooooh, Osweiler! He's going to have the Broncos atop the division for the next 10 years!"

Fuck you.

[staylor26]

They may go 9-7 with Chucky...scary! Oh, and he has a boner for our QB...

I was going to mention this earlier. We all know who Gruden would prefer out of Carr and Mahomes.

[RunKC]

Dude, shut the **** up. You're such a ****ing pussy.

Don't you ever get tired of blowing every move our division rivals make?

"Ooooh, Osweiler! He's going to have the Broncos atop the division for the next 10 years!"

**** you.

Clay is a beta. That’s what beta’s do

[notorious]

Please god give a giant ass contract that will be tough to get out of to a dumb mother****er who hasn’t been in football in a decade.

That's waaaay to much power for one person. Ownership? JFC

I hope they do this. It will bury them for decades.

[RunKC]

Clay was doing his scared bullshit of Mahomes playing tomorrow in the other thread, so I looked at the Mane to see if he was posting there and what do you know:

<a href="https://imgflip.com/gif/21wp3c"><img src="https://i.imgflip.com/21wp3c.gif" title="made at imgflip.com"/></a>

Dude is posting the complete opposite bullshit over there.

Clay is a contrarian troll that should be banned.

[Reerun_KC]

He won a SB in recent times. Last time the Chiefs won a SB was when hippies were protesting Vietnam in the streets.



Yeah but because chiefs he sucks.

[threebag]

Clay was doing his scared bullshit of Mahomes playing tomorrow in the other thread, so I looked at the Mane to see if he was posting there and what do you know:

<a href="https://imgflip.com/gif/21wp3c"><img src="https://i.imgflip.com/21wp3c.gif" title="made at imgflip.com"/></a>

Dude is posting the complete opposite bullshit over there.

Clay is a contrarian troll that should be banned.

https://media.giphy.com/media/26n79z2k04VqTSv7i/source.gif

[Reerun_KC]

That's waaaay to much power for one person. Ownership? JFC



I hope they do this. It will bury them for decades.



And if it doesn’t ? Because chiefs?

[NJChiefsFan]

Clay was doing his scared bullshit of Mahomes playing tomorrow in the other thread, so I looked at the Mane to see if he was posting there and what do you know:

<a href="https://imgflip.com/gif/21wp3c"><img src="https://i.imgflip.com/21wp3c.gif" title="made at imgflip.com"/></a>

Dude is posting the complete opposite bullshit over there.

Clay is a contrarian troll that should be banned.

If you are ever looking for attention, negative attention is the easier road to go.

[Hammock Parties]

I made one post on the Mane this week and you just had to scurry off and pounce on it like it means something. LMAO

Please don't derail this thread.

The cold hard truth is the Raiders needed a coach who can beat the Chiefs and Andy Reid to take control of this division...and that's EXACTLY what Gruden is. I would guess if you go ask Eagles fans they don't have a lot of fond memories of playing the Bucs.

[Chief Northman]

Gruden is a good coach who no doubt will improve the fortunes of the Raiders.
As good as he is as a motivator and tactician, he has not demonstrated an ability to evaluate talent. His teams have been average to poor drafters, and his success came after inheriting veteran squads that needed motivating and more precision on offense.

Gruden needs to surround himself with solid personnel people and a good to great defensive coordinator to succeed.

Can you imagine the marketing opportunities in Vegas though? Chucky slot machines, card games, restaurants, fuck.....

This is what scares me more. His personality/marketability is a windfall for the league.

[MTG#10]

This is going to be very, very bad for the Chiefs and very, very good for Carr.

The AFC West just got a LOT tougher.

You're such a fucking drama queen. And wrong about nearly everything so this will likely be great for us.

[Chief Roundup]

I would guess if you go ask Eagles fans they don't have a lot of fond memories of playing the Bucs.

The record between the Eagles and Bucs is 3-3 while Gruden was at the Bucs.

[Hammock Parties]

The record between the Eagles and Bucs is 3-3 while Gruden was at the Bucs.

False. Gruden is 4-1 against Reid.

[Frazod]

As soon as the Raiders move to Vegas they're fucked. All those rich young irresponsible idiots in a place where gambling and whores are legal? Good luck winning against the Jets or the Browns when half your team is either in Clark County lockup or so preoccupied with ruinous personal issues that they can't focus on anything else.

[Chief Roundup]

False. Gruden is 4-1 against Reid.

http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/teamvsteam?opp=24

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/teamvsteam?opp=24

Wrong.

Here are the five games between Andy Reid and Jon Gruden:

Raiders 20, Eagles 10 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200110280phi.htm)

Eagles 20, Bucs 10 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200210200phi.htm)

Bucs 27, Eagles 10 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200301190phi.htm)

Bucs 17, Eagles 0 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200309080phi.htm)

Bucs 23, Eagles 21 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200610220tam.htm)

[stevieray]

and how long ago was 1969?

They are both irrelevant.

Much like Clays bs blowjobs to anyone but the Chiefs.

Been 15 years? No matter, he'll instantly destroy us.

:rolleyes:

[O.city]

The guy hasn’t coached in a while.

Meh, we’ll see how it goes

[Reerun_KC]

I remember CP down playing manning in Denver. Because neck problems.


That worked out week for because chiefs.

[NJChiefsFan]

I remember CP down playing manning in Denver. Because neck problems.


That worked out week for because chiefs.

Slightly different. If neck problems weren't an issue those people would have said "oh boy". Gruden has had plenty of poor seasons and the Chiefs are set up to be able to handle another good team in their division.

Hoping Manning's injury would prevent him from being the amazing QB everyone knew he was vs. Gruden is different.

[Reerun_KC]

Cp has a history of shit. Sucking off Herm. Crennel is a players coach, etc.

[Reerun_KC]

Slightly different. If neck problems weren't an issue those people would have said "oh boy". Gruden has had plenty of poor seasons and the Chiefs are set up to be able to handle another good team in their division.



Hoping Manning's injury would prevent him from being the amazing QB everyone knew he was vs. Gruden is different.



Gruden could be our worse nightmare.

[Al Bundy]

This is why Koetter is now safe in Tampa...

[ChiefsCountry]

Carr with an actual offensive mind coach could be a bad thing for the Chiefs. Glad we have Mahomes instead of Alex Smith going forward. Some Mahomes/Carr battles can be some good football to watch.

[Titty Meat]

Gruden isn't that good hope they do it

[NJChiefsFan]

Gruden could be our worse nightmare.

I don't think he will be. Doesn't mean he won't do better but I'm not concerned about some massive headache.

[Hammock Parties]

Cp has a history of shit. Sucking off Herm. Crennel is a players coach, etc.

Thank you for providing balance.

[RealSNR]

Gruden could be our worse nightmare.

Vance Joseph could be our worst nightmare.

Anthony Lynn could be our worst nightmare.

Jesus fucking Christ... Jim Tomsula COULD be our worst nightmare.

Anybody COULD.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Gruden once beat Andy with a then record long field goal. Im hardly scared of some former coach who inherited a super bowl team and stopped years ago. Maybe he will bring competence, but it hardly screams dynasty. Some of you are cucks. Jumping at hypothetical shadows of once former above average coaches.

[Titty Meat]

Grudens last 3 years we're 4-12, 9-7,9-7 yet y'all bitch about Herm lol don't give me that won a super bowl either. He was given a history defense.

[okcchief]

Gruden was a good coach 10 years ago. I think people don’t understand removing yourself from the grind that long takes it out of you. There are no examples of someone coming back after years and repeating the same success. He’s better than Del Rio but this doesn’t scare me any more than anyone else replacing Del Rio. Most likely he cashes in and after a few years figures out he had it better. That’s if he even bites.


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[Chiefshrink]

Gruden was 7-3 against the Chiefs, man.

Don't tell me this doesn't make ya'll break out in hives. LMAO

There is a big difference now, we finally have a QB that will "Favre" Gruden over and over and over:D

[Chiefshrink]

Gruden was a good coach 10 years ago. I think people don’t understand removing yourself from the grind that long takes it out of you. There are no examples of someone coming back after years and repeating the same success. He’s better than Del Rio but this doesn’t scare me any more than anyone else replacing Del Rio. Most likely he cashes in and after a few years figures out he had it better. That’s if he even bites.


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Exactly. I think the wifey will end up making this decision.

[TambaBerry]

This is going to be very, very bad for the Chiefs and very, very good for Carr.

The AFC West just got a LOT tougher.

Please lol

[Hammock Parties]

There are no examples of someone coming back after years and repeating the same success.

Uh, Vermeil?

[Demonpenz]

I know a guy that removed Chris SMS spleen

[Demonpenz]

Joe Gibbs won a championship and left and came back and won another NASCAR champship

[Valiant]

FFS the last time he coached a game Matt Mother****ing Schaub lead the league in passing.

And people think he can step right in without missing a beat?

I don't think it is the same as playing.

He has been a constant since he left in the league. Hell, Reid has been coaching the entire time and not really changed anything with his style. I am sure gruden will be fine.

Upgrade for the raiders if it happens.

[threebag]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1a/db/f3/1adbf3ea7b53110592f668f493766ee1.jpg

CLAYNUS
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[displacedinMN]

The Raider way.

Run out on your fan base 2x.
Build a stadium in another city.
Make an offer to a coach without firing the current coach. I am sure Del Rio heard about his demise on TV.

What a great franchise.

[Red Dawg]

They can have him. Never been impressed with him. Overrated big time.

[lawrenceRaider]

Hahahaha Chuckie give me a break. I can see this going about as well as Fisher in St Lou and Shanarat in DC.

Probably better than Fisher, worse than the Rat.

[jjchieffan]

We probably will experience growing pains next year with Mahomes as the starter. But we still have a good chance of being in the thick of the AFC West race whether Gruden coaches the Fade or not. The year on the bench has done a ton of good to help Pat succeed. Look at what Watson was doing before he got hurt......as a rookie. Most on here believe that Mahomes is as good or better than Watson. Andy will have him ready and will tailor the offense to help him succeed. I realize that I have high expectations. And there's a good chance that he has a rough year. But I'm not going to just write off next season just yet.

[jjchieffan]

The Raider way.

Run out on your fan base 2x.
Build a stadium in another city.
Make an offer to a coach without firing the current coach. I am sure Del Rio heard about his demise on TV.

What a great franchise.

Let's not throw stones on this point. Carl did it to Gunther. I believe that Gunther found out that Vermeil had been hired on the internet.

[ChiefsCountry]

Gunther got fired reading CP.

[SAUTO]

Gunther got fired reading CP.

No. I think it was a site tbg had.

[Best22]

Let's not throw stones on this point. Carl did it to Gunther. I believe that Gunther found out that Vermeil had been hired on the internet.

Carl is gone

That era is over.

But the Raiders are still classless in 2017

[Reerun_KC]

Vance Joseph could be our worst nightmare.



Anthony Lynn could be our worst nightmare.



Jesus fucking Christ... Jim Tomsula COULD be our worst nightmare.



Anybody COULD.



No. Those guys will not be. Sorry.

[Chief Roundup]

Uh, Vermeil?

Seriously dude
6-10
8-8
13-3 Lost in divisional round of playoffs
7-9
10-6

2 winning season out of 5 with one trip to the playoffs.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

His evaluation of talent is a HUGE question mark - coincidentally this happens to be the weakness of the Raiders lately as they have been desperately trying to sign free agents to make up for their inability to find depth via the draft.

[SAUTO]

Seriously dude
6-10
8-8
13-3 Lost in divisional round of playoffs
7-9
10-6

2 winning season out of 5 with one trip to the playoffs.
Rams?

[Chief Roundup]

Rams?

He did win a SB but he was 22-26 with the Rams. He was not very successful with the Eagles though. He only won the NFC East once with a 54-47 record.

[bdj23]

Clay is such a drama queen.

[Reerun_KC]

Clay is such a drama queen.



CPers are such drama queens is the more correct statement.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I'm scurred guys!!!

[cmdrzman]

Gruden turned Gannon into an MVP QB.. took Brad Johnson, yes, that Brad Johnson and turned him into a SB winning QB.. The reason why his record as a coach for the Bucs slipped his last 4 years was because that was an old team.. all those great players left.. Sapp, Lynch, Rice and many of those great players either retired or signed big contracts to close out their careers- Gruden even out of the league for 10 years is better than 50% of the dogsh*t NFL coaches currently holding positions-

[GoChargers]

This is absolutely moronic and desperate, which is just par for the course for the Raiders. Gruden is one of the most overrated coaches of all time in any sport. He won one Super Bowl with Dungy's team against the team he used to coach that didn't bother changing any aspect of the system or the terminology after he left, and somehow that makes people view him as a coaching legend. He also followed up that title by running the Bucs into the ground with a parade of washed-up, overpaid veterans, but that gets glossed over.

[cmdrzman]

This is absolutely moronic and desperate, which is just par for the course for the Raiders. Gruden is one of the most overrated coaches of all time in any sport. He won one Super Bowl with Dungy's team against the team he used to coach that didn't bother changing any aspect of the system or the terminology after he left, and somehow that makes people view him as a coaching legend. He also followed up that title by running the Bucs into the ground with a parade of washed-up, overpaid veterans, but that gets glossed over.

Thats one more ring than Andy ever got

[Graystoke]

I ain't scared

[Strummers]

He would be facing Mahomes you idiot. He has no chance!

Gruden isn’t worried over a rookie

[tk13]

Thats one more ring than Andy ever got

That's fair, but Reid took over two terrible teams. The Eagles were 3-13 when he took over and in 3 years he had them in the NFC title game. Then he took over a 2-14 disaster with a franchise that had hit rock bottom, fan revolt, off the field problems, and has posted 5 straight winning seasons. That's success.

And at this rate, there's no reason why Reid should slow down. He's got a good setup and has drafted a talented young QB. It's funny that the same people who berate the Chiefs over not drafting a QB would go crazy over a coach who prefers bringing in veterans from other teams to play QB.

[GoChargers]

Thats one more ring than Andy ever got

I don't think Reid is that great either. He's significantly less overrated than Gruden, though. Let's be real, Gruden was coaching that Super Bowl on easy mode for reasons that had nothing to do with his coaching skills. The rest of his career is nothing special.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

But but but...I thought Denver could get any coach they wanted??

[Reerun_KC]

Gruden turned Gannon into an MVP QB.. took Brad Johnson, yes, that Brad Johnson and turned him into a SB winning QB.. The reason why his record as a coach for the Bucs slipped his last 4 years was because that was an old team.. all those great players left.. Sapp, Lynch, Rice and many of those great players either retired or signed big contracts to close out their careers- Gruden even out of the league for 10 years is better than 50% of the dogsh*t NFL coaches currently holding positions-



He’s is more accomplished than fat Andy.

[cmdrzman]

I don't think Reid is that great either. He's significantly less overrated than Gruden, though. Let's be real, Gruden was coaching that Super Bowl on easy mode for reasons that had nothing to do with his coaching skills. The rest of his career is nothing special.

The bottom line is he's 10x's the coach Del Rio is.. hell, Del Rio doesn't even carry a sideline sheet and doesn't call plays.. he's like a 1st base coach.. doesn't really do much and just gets in the way of people, standing around looking confused all the time.. the only thing he does is accept or decline penalties.. nobodys seen him do anything more than that his entire career .. Gruden carries a sideline sheet and calls plays.. much like Reid does...

Gruden is far better a coach than Del Rio will ever be.. And as an owner.. ya wanna get better at everything.. players, coaches etc.. Will Gruden ever win a SB with Oakland? who knows.. but he'll win more games than Jack will ever win as a HC.. it's an improvement in the coaching staff and thats how you get better-

[FloridaMan88]

Jon Gruden was 57-55 in Tampa before getting fired and won the Super Bowl led by Monte Kiffin's defense.

He also hasn't coached in the NFL in 10 years.

Yes he's an upgrade over Jack Del Rio, but that isn't exactly a high threshold.

Also if he's given a partial ownership stake and he fails as a HC, how exactly do you fire him?

[O.city]

10 mil a year and owner ship stake plus paying jdr to go away?

Not seeing it

[ROYC75]

1). He will be a pain in the ass to play twice a season.

2). It just means we will have to focus more on talent to keep up in the AFC West, meaning a better team for the playoffs.

[ROYC75]

Also if he's given a partial ownership stake and he fails as a HC, how exactly do you fire him?


Well, 4321 Davis, I'll go upstairs when I want to!

[Chiefaholic]

95% of the media picked the Raiders to win the division this year too including you Clay, and a good chunk in 2016.

LMAO

Quite a few of their preseason predictions was a contender to knock the Patriots off their pedestal and represent the AFC in the Superbowl vs. the Cowboys. Seattle wasn't stupid letting Lynch go. And Dak just might be the most overrated QB in the entire NFL.

[PunkinDrublic]

Thats one more ring than Andy ever got

So by that standard Barry Switzer is a better NFL coach. GTFOH! Gruden got ran out of Tampa because he couldn’t replace the aging vets that Dungy had put together in their prime. Reid has his faults but Gruden wishes he had his longevity in the league.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

If Jon Gruden becomes the head coach of the Raiders, he'll have them back in the AFC Championship before the Chiefs. That's how highly I think of Jon Gruden.

The AFC West is about to get tough as nails. Nine wins ain't gonna cut it going forward.

Au contraire...considering Gruden averaged 8.6 wins per year, 9 just might cut it. ROFL

[AssEaterChief]

What are the chances this is going to happen?

Gruden has been broadcasting for a long time and he has always sounded pretty happy with that gig.

He loves watching tape.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Gruden isn’t worried over a rookie

And Mahomes ain't worried about a guy who inherited a ready-made SB team, then proceeded to average 7 wins per year over the following 6 seasons. Oh, and that was a decade ago.ROFL Gruden is gonna take these fools to the cleaners. Gotta love it.

[GloucesterChief]

What are the chances this is going to happen?

Gruden has been broadcasting for a long time and he has always sounded pretty happy with that gig.

He loves watching tape.

A lot less work than being a HC. Imagine getting 3-4 months off a year and no 14 hour+ days for six months out of a year.

[Strummers]

A lot less work than being a HC. Imagine getting 3-4 months off a year and no 14 hour+ days for six months out of a year.

14 hour days are nothing to nfl coaches.. it’s literally what they wanted to be at when they were high school coaches.. college.. etc. gruden is better than a lot of the coaches in the nfl.. to make him seem like he’s a bad coach is just incorrect.

[Hammock Parties]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A tough decision that had to be made by Mark Davis! If Jon Gruden is the head coach, the Raiders will be in the Super Bowl next year. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RaiderNation?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RaiderNation</a></p>&mdash; Bill Romanowski (@billromanowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/billromanowski/status/947641833760309248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[RaidersOftheCellar]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A tough decision that had to be made by Mark Davis! If Jon Gruden is the head coach, the Raiders will be in the Super Bowl next year. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RaiderNation?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RaiderNation</a></p>&mdash; Bill Romanowski (@billromanowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/billromanowski/status/947641833760309248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I'd like to take that bet.

[threebag]

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CLAYNUS

Can't tell if he is pissing himself or just getting moist

Pawn will be along shortly to mop it up

[NJChiefsFan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A tough decision that had to be made by Mark Davis! If Jon Gruden is the head coach, the Raiders will be in the Super Bowl next year. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RaiderNation?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RaiderNation</a></p>&mdash; Bill Romanowski (@billromanowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/billromanowski/status/947641833760309248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Why does he have an exclamation point at the end of the first sentence? Is he yelling that first line?

[InChiefsHeaven]

Bill Faganowski can suck a bag of dicks.

I don't understand why there is so much Chucky respect...dude did precisely dick except wiin a SB with a team that most coaches would win with. i mean, good for him and all, but other than like 2 seasons, he wasn't anything special...

[okcchief]

The Raiders roster isn’t good.
Carr isn’t good.
Gruden has been sucking off NFL QBs in a booth for 10 years.

Stop being pussies. We have Mahomes!

Fuck the Raiders!


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[okcchief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A tough decision that had to be made by Mark Davis! If Jon Gruden is the head coach, the Raiders will be in the Super Bowl next year. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RaiderNation?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RaiderNation</a></p>— Bill Romanowski (@billromanowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/billromanowski/status/947641833760309248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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CTE

FUCK ROMANOWSKI!



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[Best22]

Remember when the Raiders had the best running back in the AFC West? ROFL

[Buehler445]

That's waaaay to much power for one person. Ownership? JFC

I hope they do this. It will bury them for decades.

It can't be of a stake like 1% or less. It won't be a big deal, but the rate at which those things make money, especially moving to a brand new stadium and shit.

However, if they fire Gruden, and want him out of ownership, just have a few capital calls. That typically removes the desire for ownership. :D

[Chief Roundup]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A tough decision that had to be made by Mark Davis! If Jon Gruden is the head coach, the Raiders will be in the Super Bowl next year. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RaiderNation?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RaiderNation</a></p>&mdash; Bill Romanowski (@billromanowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/billromanowski/status/947641833760309248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Totally classless POS

[Pueblo Chieftan]

I'm highly skeptical. His football acumen was impressive for his young age. However, Gruden doesn't handle personality conflicts well. I have been saying for years that there has to be some truth to the rumors in Tampa about Gruden's poor way of dealing with people in certain situations and his immaturity. It will be very interesting to see if he is black listed from head coaching again; I've heard several people make the case he might be.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall in Tampa to see some of the things that went on. His handling of his QBs is really what what makes him look bad. I always envisioned the Oakland Raiders as a bunch of wild eccentric guys that might be hard for some to get along with. Maybe he brought a little of that to Tampa.

Anyway, I think college might be the best chance for him, in the near future.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

You know what, good for Jokeland to get Gruden and whoever else joins his staff. Good for everyone, as the AFC West should be highly competitive now.

Cause Carr and the Raiders sure as hell didn't have a chance of competing with Mahomes and Andy's Chiefs with Del Rio as HC.

[Pueblo Chieftan]

You know what, good for Jokeland to get Gruden and whoever else joins his staff. Good for everyone, as the AFC West should be highly competitive now.

Cause Carr and the Raiders sure as hell didn't have a chance of competing with Mahomes and Andy's Chiefs with Del Rio as HC.

He's not known for winning with young QBs. His best years were with Gannon and Johnson.

[srvy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A tough decision that had to be made by Mark Davis! If Jon Gruden is the head coach, the Raiders will be in the Super Bowl next year. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RaiderNation?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RaiderNation</a></p>&mdash; Bill Romanowski (@billromanowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/billromanowski/status/947641833760309248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Mad rantings of a old steroid junkie.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

He's not known for winning with young QBs. His best years were with Gannon and Johnson.

I have genuinely no idea of what to expect from his return. It's been so damn long.

[Pueblo Chieftan]

I have genuinely no idea of what to expect from his return. It's been so damn long.

When it’s official, then I will believe it. I feel like this rumor goes around every year. But I do believe that the Raiders would not have fired Jack Del Rio without an replacement in place.

Also, Jon Gruden and Jack Del Rio share the same agent.

[Red Dawg]

Gruden taking the Raiders to the SB his first year is crazy. They have to learn his offense and a new defense. Stupid thought.

[Rausch]

I have genuinely no idea of what to expect from his return. It's been so damn long.

Joe Gibbs...

[R8RFAN]

Who knows if they will even get him in Oakland but a successful coach is one that can bring in the best staff around him and if the Raiders hire Chucky I think he will bring in a quality staff that the Raiders have been lacking since he left. Regardless all is speculation at this point because the Raiders have to interview a few minority coaches that they or any other nfl team have no intention of hiring first

[tmax63]

I find it hard to believe that Gruden can just step back into coaching with little to no drop-off after a decade unless he's made it known that he would consider it and has been studying/taking notes/refreshing his coaching philosophy for the last couple of years. I doubt it will take him long to remember what a grind the HC job is versus booth work and be wishing he was back upstairs.

[cmdrzman]

I find it hard to believe that Gruden can just step back into coaching with little to no drop-off after a decade unless he's made it known that he would consider it and has been studying/taking notes/refreshing his coaching philosophy for the last couple of years. I doubt it will take him long to remember what a grind the HC job is versus booth work and be wishing he was back upstairs.


Dick Vermeil took the Eagles to the SB.. was out of coaching for 15 years- came back and won a SB as HC of the Rams

So it has happened-

[RealSNR]

Dick Vermeil took the Eagles to the SB.. was out of coaching for 15 years- came back and won a SB as HC of the Rams

So it has happened-

Hey buddy! Haven't seen you around this forum in awhile! What the hell happened, man?

Let me guess... "Life got in the way." Didn't have anything to do with your shitty football team!

[R8RFAN]

Hey buddy! Haven't seen you around this forum in awhile! What the hell happened, man?

Let me guess... "Life got in the way." Didn't have anything to do with your shitty football team?

Raiders were shitty but I can't wait for the annual heartbreak to come very soon for the Chiefs

[Bowser]

Dick Vermeil took the Eagles to the SB.. was out of coaching for 15 years- came back and won a SB as HC of the Rams

So it has happened-

Noted, but to be fair Vermeil was almost ran out of St. Louis after a couple of years (remember the Lawrence Phillips fiasco?) until Mike Martz cooked up that ridiculously sick and stupid (in a good way) offense. Not saying Gruden can't replicate that, just saying the odds are long.

And frankly, I'd take Gruden in a heartbeat of Del Rio if it were my team.

[Easy 6]

A report on yahoo this morning said this is basically a done deal, and that he is bringing in Gannon as QB coach

[LoneWolf]

Dick Vermeil took the Eagles to the SB.. was out of coaching for 15 years- came back and won a SB as HC of the Rams

So it has happened-

Gruden better be scouring the local supermarkets for a backup QB and then pray for Carr to tear his ACL.

[Sassy Squatch]

So if Gruden gets his stake of ownership and things go south, what happens?

[RealSNR]

Raiders were shitty but I can't wait for the annual heartbreak to come very soon for the Chiefs

Alex Smith is going to Alex Smith. Thankfully those days are soon at an end. The next 10-15 years aren't going to be very pleasant for you to watch, I'm afraid.

And Raiders are going to Raiders. Can't wait to see your sullen asses on this forum around this time next year when the Raiders are once again missing the playoffs in spite of having a franchise QB and a #1 WR.

[R8RFAN]

Gruden better be scouring the local supermarkets for a backup QB and then pray for Carr to tear his ACL.

As bad as it may seem aside from the int's Carr was less than 500 yards less than last year.

No qb in the NFL could have had a better year with that predictable play calling

[R8RFAN]

Alex Smith is going to Alex Smith. Thankfully those days are soon at an end. The next 10-15 years aren't going to be very pleasant for you to watch, I'm afraid.

And Raiders are going to Raiders. Can't wait to see your sullen asses on this forum around this time next year when the Raiders are once again missing the playoffs in spite of having a franchise QB and a #1 WR.

Alex is the best hope for this team Mahomes was ok but he didn't show me anything in his mechanics or ability to make me think he is going to be anything more than an average NFL QB

[Bowser]

Alex is the best hope for this team Mahomes was ok but he didn't show me anything in his mechanics or ability to make me think he is going to be anything more than an average NFL QB

Ok, KnowMo. Lol

[Easy 6]

Alex is the best hope for this team Mahomes was ok but he didn't show me anything in his mechanics or ability to make me think he is going to be anything more than an average NFL QB

ROFL

[Hammock Parties]

Alex is the best hope for this team Mahomes was ok but he didn't show me anything in his mechanics or ability to make me think he is going to be anything more than an average NFL QB

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[R8RFAN]

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You know it's true... All the Chief fans sat there on the couch sucking their thumbs with visions of sugar plums in their eyes oooing and awwing evertime he adjusted his jockstrap but he has a long way to go and will have to be far more impressive to make me change my thoughts... I thought that Browns QB Kizla or whatever his name in looked far better.

[Chief Northman]

You know it's true... All the Chief fans sat there on the couch sucking their thumbs with visions of sugar plums in their eyes oooing and awwing evertime he adjusted his jockstrap but he has a long way to go and will have to be far more impressive to make me change my thoughts... I thought that Browns QB Kizla or whatever his name in looked far better.

The troll is strong with this one.

You came up for daylight. Time to go back to the cave.

[Bowser]

You know it's true... All the Chief fans sat there on the couch sucking their thumbs with visions of sugar plums in their eyes oooing and awwing evertime he adjusted his jockstrap but he has a long way to go and will have to be far more impressive to make me change my thoughts... I thought that Browns QB Kizla or whatever his name in looked far better.

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[R8RFAN]

The troll is strong with this one.

You came up for daylight. Time to go back to the cave.

You don't have enough posts to be in this thread n00b but Happy New Year

[RealSNR]

R8ers, you do realize that by tuning in to watch Mahomes, you're contributing to the cultural desecration of all things sacred and American, right? You basically took a leak on the American flag by watching a team that has players who won't stand during the national anthem.

[Easy 6]

You know it's true... All the Chief fans sat there on the couch sucking their thumbs with visions of sugar plums in their eyes oooing and awwing evertime he adjusted his jockstrap but he has a long way to go and will have to be far more impressive to make me change my thoughts... I thought that Browns QB Kizla or whatever his name in looked far better.

Luckily, none of us give two shits about your thoughts on Mahomes

They're getting ready to blow up your entire sorry ass team, so what you need to be worried about, is all of the continued years of ass suckage you're about to face

[LoneWolf]

As bad as it may seem aside from the int's Carr was less than 500 yards less than last year.

No qb in the NFL could have had a better year with that predictable play calling

One of the best Olines in football, beast mode at RB, two above average starting WR, and a very good TE. The problem was the QB and his problem with holding the ball too long and throwing interceptions. The veil has been lifted on mascara boy.

[R8RFAN]

R8ers, you do realize that by tuning in to watch Mahomes, you're contributing to the cultural desecration of all things sacred and American, right? You basically took a leak on the American flag by watching a team that has players who won't stand during the national anthem.

I don't support them financially nor buy any products advertised so the only thing I spent money on was electricity.. The NFL may get me back if they continue to downplay the flag protesters like they have been doing, They will have to earn it though.

[Chief Northman]

You don't have enough posts to be in this thread n00b but Happy New Year

Great retort. You win the internet.

Enjoy Carr running from his own shadow for the forseeable future. Even Gruden can’t fix Carr’s propensity to shit down his leg at the first sign of pressure.

[LoneWolf]

I don't support them financially nor buy any products advertised so the only thing I spent money on was electricity.. The NFL may get me back if they continue to downplay the flag protesters like they have been doing, They will have to earn it though.

I’m sure the NFL is super worried about earning the loyalty of the Forrest Gump of North Carolina living in his modular home counting his change.

[R8RFAN]

One of the best Olines in football, beast mode at RB, two above average starting WR, and a very good TE. The problem was the QB and his problem with holding the ball too long and throwing interceptions. The veil has been lifted on mascara boy.

I know that is what you guys want to think and if that was the case I would support it but our OC was horribad, and I know this is a cliche but they never used play action at all with Lynch in the backfield to keep a defense somewhat honest. Carr will be fine, he had a horrible year in a horrible offensive scheme and still got 3400 yards .. When a defense knows what you are going to do before you do it it's hard to make the quick throws, raiders were too predictable and they got gashed all year on D.. Not just beat but gashed... They deserved their year. Jack lost this team and they didn't play hard the changing game of the year was when the team sat their asses on the bench before the skin game and then didn't protect Carr on purpose because he didn't kneel. Carr was never the same and I feel he lost trust in them.

[R8RFAN]

I’m sure the NFL is super worried about earning the loyalty of the Forrest Gump of North Carolina living in his modular home counting his change.

I probably pay more in taxes a year than you earn

[LoneWolf]

I probably pay more in taxes a year than you earn

ROFL Funniest thing ever posted on CP and the most predictable post in history. ROFL

[RealSNR]

I probably pay more in taxes a year than you earn

I'm going to buy a few Mahomes jerseys and give them to my friends as presents. No worries, R8ers. I'll cover your share of financial contributions to the NFL.

[GloucesterChief]

I don't think Warren Sapp, Ronde Barber, Derrick Brooks, Simeon Rice and John Lynch are on the Raiders D.

[T-post Tom]

Gruden still calling the Chiefs v. Titans game on Saturday? Will Reid give him access to the team?

[Buehler445]

So if Gruden gets his stake of ownership and things go south, what happens?

Depends on how his contract is structured, but if it is as simple as shares as part of his compensation, if (when) things go south he will just remain a percentage owner and get percentage distributions of earnings/capital/whatever on however it’s structured.

If Davis wants Gruden out someone had to buy back the stock. Or I guess the raiders can and have it be treasury stock if there are actually shares.

Basically any other entity ownership.

[Bowser]

So if Gruden gets his stake of ownership and things go south, what happens?

Then he cancels every Wednesday practice and takes the team to Spearmint Rhino after the team moves to Vegas.

[RippedmyFlesh]

They deserved their year. Jack lost this team and they didn't play hard the changing game of the year was when the team sat their asses on the bench before the skin game and then didn't protect Carr on purpose because he didn't kneel. Carr was never the same and I feel he lost trust in them.

That is bull shit. You just want that to be so.

[Chiefshrink]

So if Gruden gets his stake of ownership and things go south, what happens?

All that has been worked out in the contract already IF it is true he will be the next HC. And for Gruden the stars have aligned in his favor. Let me explain.

Gruden won with Dungy's team and then went south very quickly exposing Gruden's severe lack in drafting quality depth IMHO. Gruden had no say so in the drafts at his tenure in Oakland either (see Janikowski which was a Davis pick - no way Gruden picks him in the 1st.)

I am a Gruden fan out of respect,love and enthusiasm for the game of football that he genuinely displays with a blaze in the belly to win.

It has to be a special situation for Gruden for him to be successful IMHO. And that special situation is that the team already be in place with very little tooling. Gruden is not a rebuilder type of coach and he knows it. When Gruden was hired by Davis the Raiders were already in place. When he was traded to TB the Bucs were pretty much already in place.

All Gruden wants to do is coach and call plays and WIN !!. His drafting acumen got exposed in TB when the injuries hit and their was no quality depth to replace. And IMHO I think Gruden knows this about himself, that he would rather a team already be in place(go with that team for the next 2-4yrs) and I why I think this very well might be a done deal. I think he knows how good of a cushy situation he has with ESPN and will not be a knee jerk decision BUT with that said the Raiders IMHO are pretty much in place(stars aligned 'for him') with the defense needing a bit of tweaking. Can Gruden trust Mark Davis is what it comes down to IMHO after what happened the first go around. Gruden can get all the apologies for eternity from Mark for his Father's error in trading Gruden away BUT again can Gruden trust Mark to let him run the team? And why IMHO Gruden may have balked already initially that we don't know about and why Mark had to really sweeten the deal with a stake in ownership. Just speculating here of course.

Al said he didn't like Gruden's WC approach and wanted more vertical so he trades him away. That is just one of the reasons BUT the BIG reason was that Al saw all the attention and credit Gruden was getting in making the Raiders successful and Al's ego couldn't handle it and why I said AL and Jerry Jones were twins separated at birth.:D

[Chiefshrink]

Gruden still calling the Chiefs v. Titans game on Saturday? Will Reid give him access to the team?

Good question but they know each other so well it won't matter IMHO.

[okcchief]

Carr is mediocre in any offensive scheme. His ceiling is Alex except he’s not as durable or safe with the ball.


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[Chiefshrink]

Carr is mediocre in any offensive scheme. His ceiling is Alex except he’s not as durable or safe with the ball.


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You may be right !! Gruden like Andy is a QB coaching guru and a great offensive play caller so IF Gruden will become the next Raider HC we will surely find out in due time.;)

[LoneWolf]

All that has been worked out in the contract already IF it is true he will be the next HC. And for Gruden the stars have aligned in his favor. Let me explain.

Gruden won with Dungy's team and then went south very quickly exposing Gruden's severe lack in drafting quality depth IMHO. Gruden had no say so in the drafts at his tenure in Oakland either (see Janikowski which was a Davis pick - no way Gruden picks him in the 1st.)

I am a Gruden fan out of respect,love and enthusiasm for the game of football that he genuinely displays with a blaze in the belly to win.

It has to be a special situation for Gruden for him to be successful IMHO. And that special situation is that the team already be in place with very little tooling. When Gruden was hired by Davis the Raiders were already in place. When he was traded to TB the Bucs were pretty much already in place.

All Gruden wants to do is coach and call plays and WIN !!. His drafting acumen got exposed in TB when the injuries hit and their was no quality depth to replace. And IMHO I think Gruden knows this about himself, that he would rather a team already be in place(go with that team for the next 2-4yrs) and I why I think this very well might be a done deal. I think he knows how good of a cushy situation he has with ESPN and will not be a knee jerk decision BUT with that said the Raiders IMHO are pretty much in place(stars aligned 'for him') with the defense needing a bit of tweaking. Can Gruden trust Mark Davis is what it comes down to IMHO after what happened the first go around. Gruden can get all the apologies for eternity from Mark for his Father's error in trading Gruden away BUT again can Gruden trust Mark to let him run the team? And why IMHO Gruden may have balked already initially that we don't know about and why Mark had to really sweeten the deal with a stake in ownership. Just speculating here of course.

Al said he didn't like Gruden's WC approach and wanted more vertical so he trades him away. That is just one of the reasons BUT the BIG reason was that Al saw all the attention and credit Gruden was getting in making the Raiders successful and Al's ego couldn't handle it and why I said AL and Jerry Jones were twins separated at birth.:D

In what fantasy land were the Raiders a put together team before Gruden arrived? They had Jeff George at QB and Napoleon Kauffman at RB. Tim Brown was the only respectable WR. The team was 4-12 the season before he was hired.

The fact remains that Gruden has had three good seasons as a head coach.

[Chiefshrink]

In what fantasy land were the Raiders a put together team before Gruden arrived? They had Jeff George at QB and Napoleon Kauffman at RB. Tim Brown was the only respectable WR. The team was 4-12 the season before he was hired.

The fact remains that Gruden has had three good seasons as a head coach.

Gruden comes in 1998. Acquires Gannon 1999. Division championships 00,01,02. Like I said, Raiders were already put together with the talent just needed talent at the QB position and they got more than talent they got our MVP.

[Strummers]

Carr is mediocre in any offensive scheme. His ceiling is Alex except he’s not as durable or safe with the ball.


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Wrong. Carr has a huge arm and a natural born leader and has had issues with injuries. He was playing at a record high before he broke his leg and back.

[LoneWolf]

Gruden comes in 1998. Acquires Gannon 1999. Division championships 00,01,02. Like I said, Raiders were already put together with the talent just needed talent at the QB position and they got more than talent they got our MVP.

Gruden comes in 1998. Doesn’t have a winning season until 2000. Wins the division in 2000 and 2001, but only wins one playoff game each year. Callahan takes over in 2002 and takes the team to the Super Bowl.

If the team was already in place, why did it take Gruden three years and a change at QB and RB plus the drafting of all-world Charles Woodson before he could win in Oakland?

[Chiefshrink]

Gruden comes in 1998. Doesn’t have a winning season until 2000. Wins the division in 2000 and 2001, but only wins one playoff game each year. Callahan takes over in 2002 and takes the team to the Super Bowl.

If the team was already in place, why did it take Gruden three years and a change at QB and RB plus the drafting of all-world Charles Woodson before he could win in Oakland?

The core/nucleus of the Raiders were already in place except for the QB position. You can say the same about our Chiefs for most of the 90's. No way with just Gannon and Woodson alone do they win the divisions in 00,01, IF the rest of the team is not in place. Gruden's great coaching brought out that already existing talent pure and simple. We will disagree on the definition of 3yrs being a long time in the NFL. And why NFL stands for Not For Long IF you are not showing improvement almost immediately along the way. Gruden showed immediate improvement because of his great QB coaching making Gannon All Pro in 99 when Gannon was acquired and the following years all the way up to League MVP.

Gruden immediately took the Raiders who were 4-12 the previous year in 97 to 8-8 in 98 when he was hired to quickly 12-4 in 00, winning the divisions in 00 and 01 and might as well throw in 02 because Callahan won with Gruden's QB in 02. No coach can do that unless the talent for the most part is already there in place combined with great coaching of which Gruden has exhibited based on his immediate 4yr results:shrug:.

[seclark]

fukem...they're the raiders.
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[okcchief]

Wrong. Carr has a huge arm and a natural born leader and has had issues with injuries. He was playing at a record high before he broke his leg and back.



Compare last years stats to this years. They aren’t that different. He doesn’t have a big arm at all. 7.0 per attempt last year and 6.8 this year. He doesn’t show up against good defenses ever. He’s overrated as fuck.

Alex Smith over the last 5 years lowest yards per attempt is 6.8 and it’s 8.6 this year. Alex Smith has also made the playoffs 4 out of 5 years. Saying his ceiling is Alex Smith isn’t running him down, but he’s limited. Mahomes has a big arm. Carr is average.


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[T-post Tom]

Good question but they know each other so well it won't matter IMHO.

I know Reid and Gruden are friends, but I doubt Andy is keen on sharing any amount of 'inside' info with the HC of a division rival. The announcers get almost unlimited access in the week leading up to the game. Sidenote: I expect Gruden to be the highest paid coach in the NFL if he takes the job. (Not that he would deserve it, but...the faiders.)