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CrowbarMan
01-07-2018, 02:15 AM
Here's how all the drives ended:

3rd and 1 - read option stuffed.

Missed field goal, after a 3rd and 13 sack for zero yards set up by a negative run and quick pass.

Drop by Charles.

And the final drive of the game - two incomplete passes.
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So was this the offenses fault? I guess if you think that because they didn't score on the last drive, but otherwise, there was a lot of other failure going on.

ARROW2
01-07-2018, 02:44 AM
Bye Alex

Why Not?
01-07-2018, 06:05 AM
Here's how all the drives ended:

3rd and 1 - read option stuffed.

Missed field goal, after a 3rd and 13 sack for zero yards set up by a negative run and quick pass.

Drop by Charles.

And the final drive of the game - two incomplete passes.
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So was this the offenses fault? I guess if you think that because they didn't score on the last drive, but otherwise, there was a lot of other failure going on.

I'm not sure I get your point here? You seemingly highlight the offense's second half failures and then question if it was the fault of the offense?

chiefzilla1501
01-07-2018, 06:13 AM
Here's how all the drives ended:

3rd and 1 - read option stuffed.

Missed field goal, after a 3rd and 13 sack for zero yards set up by a negative run and quick pass.

Drop by Charles.

And the final drive of the game - two incomplete passes.
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So was this the offenses fault? I guess if you think that because they didn't score on the last drive, but otherwise, there was a lot of other failure going on.

The 3rd and 9 sack on the last drive was exactly the Alex Smith we've known for years. Tyreek, kelce, and hunt have just put lipstick on a mediocre pig. Alex rolls right and he has either a first down running or he has a million more seconds to throw the ball. His inconsistency to see the obvious play is exactly the reason why you can't rely on us to consistently win big games. The offense and defense both laid an egg. But when you have an opportunity to win on offense and have plenty of time to do it, I pin that loss on the offense.

tmax63
01-07-2018, 06:15 AM
When you have an 18 point lead I lay the fault directly on the defense.

kcpasco
01-07-2018, 06:19 AM
When you have an 18 point lead I lay the fault directly on the defense.

2 full quarters and the offense did absolutely nothing.

TwistedChief
01-07-2018, 06:29 AM
The 3rd and 9 sack on the last drive was exactly the Alex Smith we've known for years. Tyreek, kelce, and hunt have just put lipstick on a mediocre pig. Alex rolls right and he has either a first down running or he has a million more seconds to throw the ball. His inconsistency to see the obvious play is exactly the reason why you can't rely on us to consistently win big games. The offense and defense both laid an egg. But when you have an opportunity to win on offense and have plenty of time to do it, I pin that loss on the offense.

This. Smith was who he always is in these situations. We got a glimpse of Mahomes in the pocket last week and it felt very different.

tmax63
01-07-2018, 06:43 AM
2 full quarters and the offense did absolutely nothing.

They had an 18 point lead. No excuse for any defense, that should of been enough by itself. The defense got trucked the 2nd half and nobody acted like they even gave a damn. People have been blaming Alex Smith and the offense for so long they can't see that a decent quality defense can help an offense, not just the O carry the D.

kcpasco
01-07-2018, 06:55 AM
They had an 18 point lead. No excuse for any defense, that should of been enough by itself. The defense got trucked the 2nd half and nobody acted like they even gave a damn. People have been blaming Alex Smith and the offense for so long they can't see that a decent quality defense can help an offense, not just the O carry the D.

Except you know that this defense isnít really that great. This team isnít going to win many games by allowing their offense to go into a shell for 2 quarters. Iím not going to blame a defense for being something they arenít. This falls directly on the qb and head coach.

ChiefRocka
01-07-2018, 06:55 AM
They had an 18 point lead. No excuse for any defense, that should of been enough by itself. The defense got trucked the 2nd half and nobody acted like they even gave a damn. People have been blaming Alex Smith and the offense for so long they can't see that a decent quality defense can help an offense, not just the O carry the D.

Yeah,because they were on the damn field the entire 2nd half. Donít be dumb!

kcpasco
01-07-2018, 06:59 AM
If the Chiefs had a dominant defense than you would have a point. But this defense really isn’t that good. But they are good enough as long as the QB and coach doesn’t shit the bed. Andy Reid and Alex Smith are bed shitters. Sutton did an ok job only giving up 22 points.

chiefzilla1501
01-07-2018, 07:02 AM
They had an 18 point lead. No excuse for any defense, that should of been enough by itself. The defense got trucked the 2nd half and nobody acted like they even gave a damn. People have been blaming Alex Smith and the offense for so long they can't see that a decent quality defense can help an offense, not just the O carry the D.

As far as I'm concerned, when you're down 1 point with 4 minutes left and you get the ball, it's a 1-0 ballgame. We had a chance to win it on offense and we didn't. At that point, nothing earlier in the game matters.

kcpasco
01-07-2018, 07:02 AM
Kareem Hunt being severely under used in that second half should be fireable.

kcpasco
01-07-2018, 07:05 AM
Hey guys the Chiefs don’t have a very good defense so let’s put the blame on them when they only gave up 22 points. It couldn’t possibly be a retarded head coach and a very limited QB.

tmax63
01-07-2018, 07:19 AM
Allowing over a hundred rushing in the 2nd half should be a fireable offense. Giving up 15 yards on 3 and 10 at the most critical point in the game when the entire stadium knows they're gonna run the ball is fireable. Zombo getting pancaked by a QB is fireable. The way the secondary tackled is a fireable offense. Only getting the ball back to your offense 3 times in a half (the 4th was special teams) is fireable.

kcpasco
01-07-2018, 07:22 AM
Zombo is being asked to be something he’s not. But at least he’s sucking ass trying instead of being a soft bitch like Ford.

ARROW2
01-07-2018, 07:36 AM
Hey alesexuals, give it up. He's gone. Quit blaming the defense

tmax63
01-07-2018, 07:45 AM
Hey Alexhater, eat a dick. It wasn't all his fault today. He's just your favorite scapegoat.

Why Not?
01-07-2018, 08:13 AM
Chiefs lost 7 games this year. 6 by one score. In all 6, the offense had the ball late(5 min or less or in OT)with a chance to tie or win. 0-6. QB's get the most $ and the most attention. There is a reason why. I don't care if you're down 56-55. If you're the QB and get the ball with a couple of minutes left on the clock and time and time again can't do shit with it, you're not good enough.

Sidebar: the defense sucks also. It's a soft team with a maxed out, next level up Marvin Lewis as a coach, that has a few stud players. Teams like that don't win when it matters.

kcpasco
01-07-2018, 08:15 AM
Hey alesexuals, give it up. He's gone. Quit blaming the defense

I wouldnít guarantee he is gone yet. Fat Andy loves him some Alex.

BleedingRed
01-07-2018, 08:18 AM
These Alex defender don't seem to get it.... it's the FACT Alex needs the defense to win game for him that make us hate him, other QB's step the fuck up!

Red Dawg
01-07-2018, 08:22 AM
We needed points and Alex couldn't deliver just like in 3 other games we lost that were close. He can't come back. Why did we draft Mahomes? To play QB, so let him play QB. Don't give a loser 20 mil.

tmax63
01-07-2018, 08:23 AM
Look at past SB winners and you see 90% of the time that they have a top 10 or at least a upper half of the league defense.

oldman
01-07-2018, 08:23 AM
The D was on the field for a good portion of the 3rd Q and the Titans were running a no-huddle. Of course they were gassed, but there's no excuse for not stopping them before they got gassed. That's on Sutton. On the other hand, the offense needed to get 1st downs to give them a blow. I can't believe Kelce is so important we can't make do with Hill and Hunt moving the chains. That's on Andy or Nagy and, of course, Smith.

BleedingRed
01-07-2018, 08:24 AM
Look at past SB winners and you see 90% of the time that they have a top 10 or at least a upper half of the league defense.

Your right Brady defense really saved him in the Super Bowl last year!

Rausch
01-07-2018, 08:26 AM
Zombo is being asked to be something heís not. But at least heís sucking ass trying instead of being a soft bitch like Ford.

It's true...

tmax63
01-07-2018, 08:26 AM
Brady is a HOFer. There's an exception to every rule but that doesn't disprove my point.

Rausch
01-07-2018, 08:27 AM
These Alex defender don't seem to get it.... it's the FACT Alex needs the defense to win game for him that make us hate him, other QB's step the **** up!

What do you think Tom Brady would do if his HC asked him to run the option on short yardage and throw a bunch of none-yard passes in the flat?

He'd fucking lose.

But that will never happen because his OC isn't that fucking stupid...

BleedingRed
01-07-2018, 08:29 AM
What do you think Tom Brady would do if his HC asked him to run the option on short yardage and throw a bunch of none-yard passes in the flat?

He'd ****ing lose.

But that will never happen because his OC isn't that ****ing stupid...

He change the play..... Like any other competent vet QB

Rausch
01-07-2018, 08:31 AM
These Alex defender don't seem to get it....

Alex had 3 TD drives in the 1st half. He had none in the second.

What changed?

Kelcee had to leave the game and Hunt was taken out of the game by the play calling.

This isn't on Alex. And I'm not a nut-hugger. It's clear Alex and Andy will never win a super bowl together. It won't fucking happen.

Our only chance is a QB like Mahomes firing deep enough to put up pts. and overcome Andy's horrid play calling...

Rausch
01-07-2018, 08:32 AM
He change the play..... Like any other competent vet QB

You keep believing that...

BleedingRed
01-07-2018, 08:33 AM
Alex had 3 TD drives in the 1st half. He had none in the second.

What changed?

Kelcee had to leave the game and Hunt was taken out of the game by the play calling.

This isn't on Alex. And I'm not a nut-hugger. It's clear Alex and Andy will never win a super bowl together. It won't ****ing happen.

Our only chance is a QB like Mahomes firing deep enough to put up pts. and overcome Andy's horrid play calling...
Everyone of those "play calls" you hate so much have other routes Alex choose NOT to throw

BleedingRed
01-07-2018, 08:34 AM
You keep believing that...

Uh it's not hard to believe, feel free to watch any game Tony Romo, Peyton Manning, Farv, Brady, Rodger Etc plays.... they change plays

The fact you don't think it happens on a regular basis is scary

Rausch
01-07-2018, 08:38 AM
Everyone of those "play calls" you hate so much have other routes Alex choose NOT to throw

When the play is designed to go somewhere you execute the play.

When the play is designed to play into the strength of a defense it's likely to fail and you are a damned moron.

We saw what worked in the 1st half and instead of keeping it up until they could stop it we shifted gears and stopped ourselves.

Rausch
01-07-2018, 08:41 AM
Uh it's not hard to believe, feel free to watch any game Tony Romo, Peyton Manning, Farv, Brady, Rodger Etc plays.... they change plays

The fact you don't think it happens on a regular basis is scary

If it's an empty backfield how do you audible to a run?

When you run a play where 2 of 4 WR's are only there to block and not running routes who else do you throw the ball to?...

mcaj22
01-07-2018, 08:49 AM
Uh it's not hard to believe, feel free to watch any game Tony Romo, Peyton Manning, Farv, Brady, Rodger Etc plays.... they change plays

The fact you don't think it happens on a regular basis is scary

THIS LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED YESTERDAY WITH THE TITANS

Mariota took over play calling after the 1st Quarter.

The first time all season Mariota was allowed to audible or call plays was in the middle of that game yesterday. That was the disconnect between Titans coaches and players all season. With the coaches jobs on the line after their scripted plays failed in the 1st quarter, they conceded to Mariota who was finally allowed to audible.

And Andy/Alex lost to him. A QB that was free to ignore his crappy OC and call whatever he wanted. And Mariota was basically audibling into plays to set up Derrick Henry, and the Chiefs never adjusted, because they A) didn't expect it and B) I don't think there was a lot of film during the season of Mariota calling plays.

Rausch
01-07-2018, 08:50 AM
And Andy/Alex lost to him. A QB that was free to ignore his crappy OC and call whatever he wanted. And Mariota was basically audibling into plays to set up Derrick Henry, and the Chiefs never adjusted, because they A) didn't expect it and B) I don't think there was a lot of film during the season of Mariota calling plays.

And C) any OC worth hiring could see that KC was fucking terrible at stoping a no huddle/quick tempo offense all season.

mcaj22
01-07-2018, 08:51 AM
And C) any OC worth hiring could see that KC was ****ing terrible at stoping a no huddle/quick tempo offense all season.

or in this case Mariota, not the OC. Because Mariota knew that, and called the plays as such.

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 08:54 AM
They had an 18 point lead. No excuse for any defense, that should of been enough by itself. The defense got trucked the 2nd half and nobody acted like they even gave a damn. People have been blaming Alex Smith and the offense for so long they can't see that a decent quality defense can help an offense, not just the O carry the D.

Hey dipshit, if the offense just STRINGS A FEW FIRST DOWNS TOGETHER, it would've been enough to win.

Andy and Alex had 35 yards in the 2nd half. TOTAL.

Henry had that many ON ONE CARRY.

Yeah, don't give the NFL rushing leader the ball with a lead in the 2nd half - THAT WOULD MAKE TOO MUCH FUCKING SENSE!

LET'S THROW A FUCKING BUBBLE SCREEN! LET'S RUN THE FUCKING OPTION!! DROPPED PASS ON 3RD DOWN!! PUNT - YAY!!

The missed FG wouldn't even have been a big deal if the offense had done ANYTHING in the 2nd half. Left the defense out there the whole 2nd half. Like assholes.

How you don't understand that??

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 09:00 AM
THIS LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED YESTERDAY WITH THE TITANS

Mariota took over play calling after the 1st Quarter.

The first time all season Mariota was allowed to audible or call plays was in the middle of that game yesterday. That was the disconnect between Titans coaches and players all season. With the coaches jobs on the line after their scripted plays failed in the 1st quarter, they conceded to Mariota who was finally allowed to audible.

And Andy/Alex lost to him. A QB that was free to ignore his crappy OC and call whatever he wanted. And Mariota was basically audibling into plays to set up Derrick Henry, and the Chiefs never adjusted, because they A) didn't expect it and B) I don't think there was a lot of film during the season of Mariota calling plays.

ROFL

Alex would never audible out of a bubble screen into a iso or a draw to KHunt.

He runs Reid's offense "to perfection."

Lol See ya in Cleveland, Alex = Bye, Felicia

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 09:01 AM
When the play is designed to go somewhere you execute the play.

When the play is designed to play into the strength of a defense it's likely to fail and you are a damned moron.

We saw what worked in the 1st half and instead of keeping it up until they could stop it we shifted gears and stopped ourselves.

Typical Andy.

mcaj22
01-07-2018, 09:02 AM
ROFL

Alex would never audible out of a bubble screen into a iso or a draw to KHunt.

He runs Reid's offense "to perfection."

Lol See ya in Cleveland, Alex = Bye, Felicia

And that's the problem with the Chiefs.

Their QB doesn't have any freedom. I can't tell if that's an Alex or Andy thing, but it needs to be fixed with Mahomes.

Cause they just lost to a QB that was allowed to do that against them because his coaches knew they were going to get fired.

mcaj22
01-07-2018, 09:04 AM
When the play is designed to go somewhere you execute the play.

When the play is designed to play into the strength of a defense it's likely to fail and you are a damned moron.

We saw what worked in the 1st half and instead of keeping it up until they could stop it we shifted gears and stopped ourselves.

Those 1st half plays are called "scripted" plays or gameplan. They are a set of plays, usually your best plays that were game-planned during the week. After that set script of 20 or so plays, everything else becomes open. That's where the Chiefs lost. Andy is the ultimate gameplanner, but then during gameflow the wheels come off and if the other team even adjusts a little bit, it's over. In the case of the Titans, their adjustment was letting Mariota audible out of everything to move the ball, and Andy turtled up into conservative mode because he thought his lead was safe.

kcpasco
01-07-2018, 09:09 AM
he thought his lead was safe.

Never change Andy. You keep being you.

Chiefnj2
01-07-2018, 09:09 AM
K. Hunt knows the deal

What is the level of shock after the halftime lead? ďHonestly, I feel like we didnít come out and play ready in the second half.Ē

Would you agree that the offense took their foot off the pedal? ďYup.Ē

What do you think contributes to something like that happening? ďYou get too comfortable, I guess.Ē

tmax63
01-07-2018, 09:12 AM
Hey dipshit, if the offense just STRINGS A FEW FIRST DOWNS TOGETHER, it would've been enough to win.

Andy and Alex had 35 yards in the 2nd half. TOTAL.

Henry had that many ON ONE CARRY.

Yeah, don't give the NFL rushing leader the ball with a lead in the 2nd half - THAT WOULD MAKE TOO MUCH ****ING SENSE!

LET'S THROW A ****ING BUBBLE SCREEN! LET'S RUN THE ****ING OPTION!! DROPPED PASS ON 3RD DOWN!! PUNT - YAY!!

The missed FG wouldn't even have been a big deal if the offense had done ANYTHING in the 2nd half. Left the defense out there the whole 2nd half. Like assholes.

How you don't understand that??
Hey asshat, when the offense puts 21 points on the board the defense needs to pull their weight. Not all games are 35-24or 44-34. Sometimes you need to win 17-10 or 21-17. The chiefs had an epic defensive collapse yesterday. Giving up a 9 minute drive to start the 3rd quarter just set the table. Making one stop the entire 2nd half. Only getting 4 possessions for the offense the 2nd half. That is a defensive problem.

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 09:13 AM
Never change Andy. You keep being you.

Why would he change?

He's a multimillionaire by doing exactly this for 2 decades now...

mcaj22
01-07-2018, 09:15 AM
Never change Andy. You keep being you.

which is funny because Falcons then put on a clinic on how to sit on/protect a lead with a perfect balance of run/pass. Like actual clock chewing drives.

Andy just can't do it, he can't keep the ball on the ground, puts in it in the air too much in the playoffs with that "running by passing" crap with the bubble screens and other short passes. Stuff that Peyton Manning used to do except that Andy doesn't have no Peyton.

It's never worked for him. I don't think it ever will.

The hope here is I guess Mahomes ability to improvise when the generic play breaks down will counter those terrible calls.

Why Not?
01-07-2018, 09:16 AM
We needed points and Alex couldn't deliver just like in 3 other games we lost that were close. He can't come back. Why did we draft Mahomes? To play QB, so let him play QB. Don't give a loser 20 mil.

No, not 3. Unless you mean playoff games. All but one loss this year was by one score

Reerun_KC
01-07-2018, 09:16 AM
Hey Alexhater, eat a dick. It wasn't all his fault today. He's just your favorite scapegoat.



And the defense is your favorite scape goat.

tmax63
01-07-2018, 09:17 AM
And they rightfully deserve it

Why Not?
01-07-2018, 09:19 AM
which is funny because Falcons then put on a clinic on how to sit on/protect a lead with a perfect balance of run/pass. Like actual clock chewing drives. .

And, to make that example even more of a shot at Andy, the Falcons clearly learned from the mistakes they made the last time they had a postseason lead, which was exactly ONE game ago for them. Andy never learns and he never adjusts. His window to win a championship has closed. He's Buck Showalter.

mcaj22
01-07-2018, 09:23 AM
And, to make that example even more of a shot at Andy, the Falcons clearly learned from the mistakes they made the last time they had a postseason lead, which was exactly ONE game ago for them. Andy never learns and he never adjusts. His window to win a championship has closed. He's Buck Showalter.

that's actually a perfect comparison for Andy, Buck Showalter. No adjustments, ever, peaked years ago.

REDHOTGTO
01-07-2018, 09:29 AM
I have watched this team since '72 and have seen this song and dance many times, you could see it coming from halftime like a truck comin over a hill that's gonna run your ass over.
I for one am ready to move on from ''SAFE" alex, its time to take some chances and try and make a game of it, look off the broken plays and find someone to catch a ball, even if it means a interception or two on the way, it makes more exciting football then this dread feeling the whole second half.
in the Denver game when they caught up we still didn't feel like it was gonna be bad, cause we had a QB in there that was gonna make a play to break it loose. and guess what he did just that, won the game and got benched the next game.
I really wonder what the outcome would have been if he got a chance at the titans?

Best22
01-07-2018, 09:31 AM
Your right Brady defense really saved him in the Super Bowl last year!

Brady's defense allowed 21 points to one of the highest scoring offenses in NFL history in Atlanta

This defense allowed 22 (24 if Ten kick extra points) to the Mularkeys Titans

Rausch
01-07-2018, 09:32 AM
Those 1st half plays are called "scripted" plays or gameplan. They are a set of plays, usually your best plays that were game-planned during the week. After that set script of 20 or so plays, everything else becomes open.

Andy Admits he scripts the first 15-20 plays.

But he wasn't calling the plays the first quarter.

Andy is the ultimate gameplanner, but then during gameflow the wheels come off and if the other team even adjusts a little bit, it's over. In the case of the Titans, their adjustment was letting Mariota audible out of everything to move the ball, and Andy turtled up into conservative mode because he thought his lead was safe.

He's a great HC.
He's a HORRIBLE OC.

You see the difference?

He needs to be DV and hire his "Al Saunders" to run his offense...

jspchief
01-07-2018, 09:36 AM
Hey asshat, when the offense puts 21 points on the board the defense needs to pull their weight. Not all games are 35-24or 44-34. Sometimes you need to win 17-10 or 21-17. The chiefs had an epic defensive collapse yesterday. Giving up a 9 minute drive to start the 3rd quarter just set the table. Making one stop the entire 2nd half. Only getting 4 possessions for the offense the 2nd half. That is a defensive problem.
Both sides of the ball only showed up for half a game. I have no idea how you can look at the second half and claim one side shoulders more blame than the other.

DJJasonp
01-07-2018, 09:37 AM
No Hunt, sideways passes, a mysterious personal foul that offsets running into the punter, and the option on a critical 3rd and 1.......

and your defense ends up on the field nearly the entire 2nd half, resulting in your lead disappearing.

that's why we lost.

Pawnmower
01-07-2018, 09:38 AM
When you have an 18 point lead I lay the fault directly on the defense.

Even though the defense set those points up?

You can't score 21 points in the 1st half then quit playing.....and expect the defense to hold under 21

That's not how football works

CaliforniaChief
01-07-2018, 09:40 AM
I'm with KCPasco. The failure to use the NFL RUSHING CHAMPION with an 11 point lead is a fireable offense. Instead of going AT Tennessee in the trenches (which was working to a degree, they tried to spread out a fast defense. Dumb.

Pawnmower
01-07-2018, 09:40 AM
Brady's defense allowed 21 points to one of the highest scoring offenses in NFL history in Atlanta

This defense allowed 22 (24 if Ten kick extra points) to the Mularkeys Titans

22 points is average

That's the average amount of points scored in the NFL

DJJasonp
01-07-2018, 09:45 AM
I'm with KCPasco. The failure to use the NFL RUSHING CHAMPION with an 11 point lead is a fireable offense. Instead of going AT Tennessee in the trenches (which was working to a degree, they tried to spread out a fast defense. Dumb.

he was averaging 3.8 yds per carry in those 11 carries.

That was good enough to keep handing him the ball.

Rausch
01-07-2018, 09:47 AM
Hey dipshit, if the offense just STRINGS A FEW FIRST DOWNS TOGETHER, it would've been enough to win.

Andy and Alex had 35 yards in the 2nd half. TOTAL.

Henry had that many ON ONE CARRY.

Yeah, don't give the NFL rushing leader the ball with a lead in the 2nd half - THAT WOULD MAKE TOO MUCH ****ING SENSE!

LET'S THROW A ****ING BUBBLE SCREEN! LET'S RUN THE ****ING OPTION!! DROPPED PASS ON 3RD DOWN!! PUNT - YAY!!

The missed FG wouldn't even have been a big deal if the offense had done ANYTHING in the 2nd half. Left the defense out there the whole 2nd half. Like assholes.

How you don't understand that??

THIS!

You know your D is banged up and can't rush the passer. YOU NEED TO PROTECT THAT D.

All this...

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 10:35 AM
Hey asshat, when the offense puts 21 points on the board the defense needs to pull their weight. Not all games are 35-24or 44-34. Sometimes you need to win 17-10 or 21-17. The chiefs had an epic defensive collapse yesterday. Giving up a 9 minute drive to start the 3rd quarter just set the table. Making one stop the entire 2nd half. Only getting 4 possessions for the offense the 2nd half. That is a defensive problem.
Yeah, 21 points in the first half should totally hold up in the playoffs.

You're right, what was I thinking...

tmax63
01-07-2018, 10:39 AM
Should we expect more - absolutely. Should it have held up -absolutely also.

Pasta Giant Meatball
01-07-2018, 10:39 AM
Lost to a shit ass Surfer QB. A fucking Surfer in cold weather.

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 10:40 AM
THIS!

You know your D is banged up and can't rush the passer. YOU NEED TO PROTECT THAT D.

All this...

Exactly - SITUATIONAL FOOTBALL.

Andy Reid fails at it...every...single...time.

kcpasco
01-07-2018, 10:41 AM
Lost to a shit ass Surfer QB. A ****ing Surfer in cold weather.

Twice

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 10:43 AM
Should we expect more - absolutely. Should it have held up -absolutely also.

And it WOULD have held up, had Andy Reid ran the ball with KHunt.

Let me point this out : The Chiefs have not won a game in which KHunt didn't get at least 100 yards from scrimmage.

KHunt had exactly 11 carries, and Alex threw almost 40 times. And we had a 21-3 lead at halftime.

Stupid, stupid, STUPID offensive play calling in the 2nd half was what cost the Chiefs the game yesterday, period.

Best22
01-07-2018, 10:43 AM
22 points is average

That's the average amount of points scored in the NFL

The defense was lucky Tennessee dropped so many balls

They were garbage and unacceptable

The offense was garbage and unacceptable


It's not one or the other.

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 10:44 AM
Should we expect more - absolutely. Should it have held up -absolutely also.

And it WOULD have held up, had Andy Reid ran the ball with KHunt.

Let me point this out : The Chiefs have not won a game in which KHunt didn't get at least 100 yards from scrimmage.

KHunt had exactly 11 carries, and Alex threw almost 40 times. And we had a 21-3 lead at halftime.

Think about that...

Stupid, stupid, STUPID offensive play calling in the 2nd half was what cost the Chiefs the game yesterday, period.

tmax63
01-07-2018, 10:50 AM
And if the defense had made even 1 3rd down stop the 2nd half they might well have won.

maninthemiddle
01-07-2018, 10:51 AM
Play calling was not the down fall. This wasn't on Reid and Nagy. Offense didn't execute in the second half. So, let's put the narrative to bed that KC didn't run enough in second half:

1st possession - 3 plays 2 runs
2nd possession - 3 plays 1 run
3rd possession - 5 plays 2 runs
Not even going to chart final possession.
5 out of 11 plays were runs.

Rausch
01-07-2018, 10:53 AM
Exactly - SITUATIONAL FOOTBALL.

Andy Reid fails at it...every...single...time.

The end.

He needs to be HC and not OC.

Delegate = everyone respects you.

Micromanage = everyone resents you...

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 10:55 AM
And if the defense had made even 1 3rd down stop the 2nd half they might well have won.

And why WAS that, "tmax63"?

Was it because the offense managed exactly 6 whole yards of offense during that 3 and out that ran a whopping 96 seconds off the clock in the entire 3rd qtr?

IowaHawkeyeChief
01-07-2018, 10:56 AM
Both sides of the ball only showed up for half a game. I have no idea how you can look at the second half and claim one side shoulders more blame than the other.

The D didn't show up first half either, just the first few drives. They went to no huddle in the 2nd quarter and were gassing us, and Mariotta missed some big throws that would have kept drives alive or scored touchdowns. That may have been good in hindsight as we would have kept the gas on. I was shocked to see the Titans come out in the second and be patient and run the ball. I would have did that from the start of the game.

However, despite all of the above, they had to get a ton of good breaks. The forward progress whistle, the QB to QB TD, the phantom Harris holding call, no offensive holding for them, offensive holding for us, and Charles and Hills dropped passes, and Butker missed field goal...

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 10:57 AM
Play calling was not the down fall. This wasn't on Reid and Nagy. Offense didn't execute in the second half. So, let's put the narrative to bed that KC didn't run enough in second half:

1st possession - 3 plays 2 runs
2nd possession - 3 plays 1 run
3rd possession - 5 plays 2 runs
Not even going to chart final possession.
5 out of 11 plays were runs.

Still not NEARLY enough; 9 out of 11 plays should have been runs.

Then, there would have more than 11 plays...

tmax63
01-07-2018, 10:57 AM
It was because the defensive play calling was shit and execution of said play calling was even worse.

Rausch
01-07-2018, 10:57 AM
And why WAS that, "tmax63"?

Was it because the offense managed exactly 6 whole yards of offense during that 3 and out that ran a whopping 96 seconds off the clock in the entire 3rd qtr?

Crickets...

Coogs
01-07-2018, 11:05 AM
The real killer series for the offense in the 2nd half was the fumbled punt by the Titans that we recovered on their 28. That's where we should have went for the jugular. A TD there, and we move it back to a 3 possession game.

Instead, we play it safe and lose 2 yards in 3 plays. And even if we make the FG, it is still a 2 possession game, and the Titans are still in it and would have tied us at 24. I think we know how that would have ended too!

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 11:05 AM
It was because the defensive play calling was shit and execution of said play calling was even worse.

And THAT'S why the offense only managed 6 yards on a 96 second 3 and out?

ROFL

Nope. It's on Reid and the offense.

Period.

Make all the excuses you want...

maninthemiddle
01-07-2018, 11:21 AM
Still not NEARLY enough; 9 out of 11 plays should have been runs.

Then, there would have more than 11 plays...

That's ridiculous. We run a west coast offense and short passes serve the same purpose to grind clock and put yourself in manageable down and distance.

TEN strength is run defense. Their weakness is pass defense, especially short passes.

The interior of our offensive line sucks. On the 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2 we weren't going to make it running up the gut like we were playing Marty ball against these guys. Alex's happy feet and the pass behind Charles (which he dropped) is what killed 2/3 drives. The option play on the 3rd and 1 on our first possesssion of the second half was not a bad call IMO considering the strength of our online is on the edge and the weakness of their dline is on the edge. If you have an even box and a hat on hat with QB as a runner you've gotta block it. Casey made the play from the weak side.

My point is the play calling didn't lose the game on offense. Our inability to execute did.

At the end of the day we should have had more than 4 posessions. You have to blame the D for not getting at least one stop.

Aspengc8
01-07-2018, 11:51 AM
That's ridiculous. We run a west coast offense and short passes serve the same purpose to grind clock and put yourself in manageable down and distance.

TEN strength is run defense. Their weakness is pass defense, especially short passes.

The interior of our offensive line sucks. On the 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2 we weren't going to make it running up the gut like we were playing Marty ball against these guys. Alex's happy feet and the pass behind Charles (which he dropped) is what killed 2/3 drives. The option play on the 3rd and 1 on our first possesssion of the second half was not a bad call IMO considering the strength of our online is on the edge and the weakness of their dline is on the edge. If you have an even box and a hat on hat with QB as a runner you've gotta block it. Casey made the play from the weak side.

My point is the play calling didn't lose the game on offense. Our inability to execute did.

At the end of the day we should have had more than 4 posessions. You have to blame the D for not getting at least one stop.

that speed option from a heavy i wing was dumb. atleast run it out of gun so alex is moving towards the los and not backwards and laterally. they had no unblocked defender for alex to pitch read, it was a straight Ďrun a few steps and pitch ití play. lots of better play selection in that situation, especially for a spread team

Ragged Robin
01-07-2018, 12:26 PM
Offense had 4 possessions in 30 minutes of football, that's on the defense for not getting off the field. They couldn't even stop that last 3rd and long run to give the offense another chance at the end of the game when we had all three time outs and the two minute warning. They were 31st in the league at stopping anyone on 3rd down and it showed, except I think statistically in this game they were coughing up more 1st downs on 1st or 2nd down before even getting to 3rd down ROFL

KChiefs1
01-07-2018, 01:11 PM
Hey guys the Chiefs donít have a very good defense so letís put the blame on them when they only gave up 22 points. It couldnít possibly be a retarded head coach and a very limited QB.



Tennessee had 275 yards of offense in the 2nd half. They were 6/6 on 3rd down. You think that's good?

kcpasco
01-07-2018, 01:13 PM
Tennessee had 275 yards of offense in the 2nd half. They were 6/6 on 3rd down. You think that's good?

No thatís why I said they arenít very good. If the offense had just 1 scoring drive we possibly still win that game. You canít put up 0 points in 1 half.

hitchief
01-07-2018, 01:25 PM
The 3rd and 9 sack on the last drive was exactly the Alex Smith we've known for years. Tyreek, kelce, and hunt have just put lipstick on a mediocre pig. Alex rolls right and he has either a first down running or he has a million more seconds to throw the ball. His inconsistency to see the obvious play is exactly the reason why you can't rely on us to consistently win big games. The offense and defense both laid an egg. But when you have an opportunity to win on offense and have plenty of time to do it, I pin that loss on the offense.

Then you have no clue, end of story.

hitchief
01-07-2018, 01:26 PM
And THAT'S why the offense only managed 6 yards on a 96 second 3 and out?

ROFL

Nope. It's on Reid and the offense.

Period.

Make all the excuses you want...


How about you break down the Titans second half possessions for us? Then give us a recap on how they had no effect on the outcome of the game. Freaking joke

Prison Bitch
01-07-2018, 01:28 PM
Yeah,because they were on the damn field the entire 2nd half. Donít be dumb!

They were on the field the whole 2H because they couldn't get a single stop. Not one

Marcellus
01-07-2018, 01:46 PM
For all the idiots bashing the defense for the loss they are the same defense who pitched a shutout in the first half. The FGnever should have occurred due to the hullshit fumble call.

So what you had was a meltdown by both offense and defense in the second half and the offense was given a golden opportunity 2 times to win it and could do dick.

Pasta Giant Meatball
01-07-2018, 01:47 PM
Both sides had an elite half and a terrible half. Team loss.

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 03:29 PM
Everyone of those "play calls" you hate so much have other routes Alex choose NOT to throw

Those screen plays do NOT.

rabblerouser
01-07-2018, 03:35 PM
They were on the field the whole 2H because they couldn't get a single stop. Not one

Yeah that 6 yard drive that ate up 90-some seconds in a three and out was our total offensive output in the 3rd quarter.

That's the stuff championship offenses are made of, because that always puts any defense in a better position to win.

Reid is obviously a genius.

ROFL
that speed option from a heavy i wing was dumb. atleast run it out of gun so alex is moving towards the los and not backwards and laterally. they had no unblocked defender for alex to pitch read, it was a straight Ďrun a few steps and pitch ití play. lots of better play selection in that situation, especially for a spread team
Absolutely - that play epitomizes the offenseive futility of the second half.

Not a single point scored.

Pathetic.

Andy Reid is a fucking joke.

nbarone007
01-07-2018, 03:49 PM
Chiefs got the ball after a muffed punt at the Titans 30 yard line up 11 with about 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. We went backwards that drive and missed a FG. The play calling was in FG mode.

That was a good opportunity to come right off a turnover and take a shot deep to Tyreek Hill but we had him running routes behind the LOS the entire 2nd half.

If the Chiefs offense moves the ball and scored a touchdown they go up 18 points to start the 4th quarter. In the playoffs, you need to execute and get a touchdown in that situation. The Patriots, Steelers, Falcons etc are all scoring a TD in that scenario. No killer instinct on this team. Nobody looks to go for knockout punch and its been that way for the entire Andy Reid tenure. Outside of the Denver game on Christmas last year, this team is soft and just gets bullied around. When things aren't going well the wheels completely fall off.

Sandy Vagina
01-07-2018, 03:56 PM
Here's how all the drives ended:

3rd and 1 - read option stuffed.

Missed field goal, after a 3rd and 13 sack for zero yards set up by a negative run and quick pass.

Drop by Charles.

And the final drive of the game - two incomplete passes.
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So was this the offenses fault? I guess if you think that because they didn't score on the last drive, but otherwise, there was a lot of other failure going on.

Good post, man.

Smith did miss a few opportunities in the 2nd half. That said, he was great in the first half... and our defense gave so few opportunities that those few missed opportunities by Smith were critical.

He literally had to play perfect football to give KC the win.

The officiating...
the lack of a run game..
the drops..
the playcalling...
the defense giving up tons of yds and 3rd down conversions..
the QB on a few plays...

All of these things were contributions to the loss.
It can be argued on which of these to place at the top to bottom.

I have QB at the bottom of that shit-list.

Doesn't matter anymore. Time for Smith to go... if for no other reason than his own sake. He's never going to be a playoff winning QB with Andy Reid sticking his hands in the playcalling... and after all this time, he can't help himself.

MahiMike
01-07-2018, 04:30 PM
Zero points in the 2nd half? Zero?

Coach
01-07-2018, 04:32 PM
Zero points in the 2nd half? Zero?

Big.

Fat.

Zero.

splatbass
01-07-2018, 04:37 PM
As far as I'm concerned, when you're down 1 point with 4 minutes left and you get the ball, it's a 1-0 ballgame. We had a chance to win it on offense and we didn't. At that point, nothing earlier in the game matters.

The fact that the defense let Henry run for 150 yards IN THE SECOND HALF, and let the Titans dominate the TOP is meaningless? You're ****ing nuts. It should never have come down to where that one possession was a score or lose situation.

Sandy Vagina
01-07-2018, 04:40 PM
The fact that the defense let Henry run for 150 yards IN THE SECOND HALF, and let the Titans dominate the TOP is meaningless? You're ****ing nuts. It should never have come down to where that one possession was a score or lose situation.

****ing this.

People are so fun! ROFL

splatbass
01-07-2018, 04:46 PM
****ing this.

People are so fun! ROFL

Truthfully at this point I'll be glad when Alex Smith is gone so we don't have to deal with the dumbasses that are blinded by their Smith hate anymore.

Sandy Vagina
01-07-2018, 04:49 PM
Truthfully at this point I'll be glad when Alex Smith is gone so we don't have to deal with the dumbasses that are blinded by their Smith hate anymore.

Truthfully, SAME.

I can't ****ing wait for a day that the Alex Smith saga is OVER.

Chiefnj2
01-07-2018, 04:53 PM
Zero points in the 2nd half? Zero?

Missed field goal - Alex's fault.

Dropped third down pass - Alex's fault.

Screen pass calls - Alex's fault.

Did Alex contribute to the futility, sure. But all of you idiots placing the majority of blame on him are a joke. This was an epic meltdown in execution on offense, defense, special teams, coaching and officiating.

notorious
01-07-2018, 04:55 PM
Tennessee adjusted and KC didn't.

It's simple.

Sandy Vagina
01-07-2018, 04:55 PM
Missed field goal - Alex's fault.

Dropped third down pass - Alex's fault.

Screen pass calls - Alex's fault.

Did Alex contribute to the futility, sure. But all of you idiots placing the majority of blame on him are a joke. This was an epic meltdown in execution on offense, defense, special teams, coaching and officiating.


Good thing we had the League's best RB... and he had 11 carries with a 3.8 average! ROFL

chiefzilla1501
01-07-2018, 04:55 PM
The fact that the defense let Henry run for 150 yards IN THE SECOND HALF, and let the Titans dominate the TOP is meaningless? You're ****ing nuts. It should never have come down to where that one possession was a score or lose situation.

There are lots of people to blame for the loss. Alex was way down the list of people to blame for losing up to the final offensive drive. I actually thought he had a pretty good game and blame most of the second half struggles on playcalling.

But the fact remains... by far the most critical possession of the game was our last offensive possession. No matter what happened earlier in the game, we had the opportunity to win/lose the game on that one possession alone. And we blew it.

Molitoth
01-07-2018, 04:55 PM
Missed field goal - Alex's fault.

Dropped third down pass - Alex's fault.

Screen pass calls - Alex's fault.

Did Alex contribute to the futility, sure. But all of you idiots placing the majority of blame on him are a joke. This was an epic meltdown in execution on offense, defense, special teams, coaching and officiating.

Just want to say a few of us (SNR, OTWP, rico?) have been calling for Suttons head long before Alex's.

Sutton is the MAIN problem with our defense, while Alex/Andy our are MAIN problems on offense.

Both NEED GONE. SCAT, SKITTLE, SCUHBOBBLE.

splatbass
01-07-2018, 05:06 PM
There are lots of people to blame for the loss. Alex was way down the list of people to blame for losing up to the final offensive drive. I actually thought he had a pretty good game and blame most of the second half struggles on playcalling.

But the fact remains... by far the most critical possession of the game was our last offensive possession. No matter what happened earlier in the game, we had the opportunity to win/lose the game on that one possession alone. And we blew it.

If you give any QB in the league ONE drive to win or lose the game, even the best - Brady, Rodgers, Ben - will fail more often than succeed. You just can't put that all on the QB no matter how hard you try.

JENKINSWINS
01-07-2018, 05:06 PM
There are lots of people to blame for the loss. Alex was way down the list of people to blame for losing up to the final offensive drive. I actually thought he had a pretty good game and blame most of the second half struggles on playcalling.

But the fact remains... by far the most critical possession of the game was our last offensive possession. No matter what happened earlier in the game, we had the opportunity to win/lose the game on that one possession alone. And we blew it.

Too bad Alex didnít have some spectacular helmet grab by one of his wrs like this to help him out.

https://youtu.be/CxiHMIM4NWI

Molitoth
01-07-2018, 05:11 PM
If you give any QB in the league ONE drive to win or lose the game, even the best - Brady, Rodgers, Ben - will fail more often than succeed. You just can't put that all on the QB no matter how hard you try.

Mahomes is 1 for 1, playing with Backups.

Dilly dilly to the future Chiefs fans.

Sorry to the Alex fans who follow him to his new team.

BleedingRed
01-07-2018, 05:12 PM
If you give any QB in the league ONE drive to win or lose the game, even the best - Brady, Rodgers, Ben - will fail more often than succeed. You just can't put that all on the QB no matter how hard you try.

Wrong

BleedingRed
01-07-2018, 05:13 PM
If you give any QB in the league ONE drive to win or lose the game, even the best - Brady, Rodgers, Ben - will fail more often than succeed. You just can't put that all on the QB no matter how hard you try.

Had to quote this again, this is litterally the most wronged thing ever

Molitoth
01-07-2018, 05:17 PM
Had to quote this again, this is litterally the most wronged thing ever

Time for you to change your shitty avatar. Welcome to reality.

splatbass
01-07-2018, 05:20 PM
Had to quote this again, this is litterally the most wronged thing ever

Please explain. Some stats would help. So to be clear you are saying that if you put a team starting on their 25 yard line with limited time left they should score more often than not?

Do you ever watch football other than Chiefs games? Because yeah, all those QBs seem to be able to do that with ease against our crappy defense, but that doesn't mean it is something that happens all the time in other games.

Any team that routinely puts their QB in that spot is not going to be very successful.

Coogs
01-07-2018, 05:20 PM
There are lots of people to blame for the loss. Alex was way down the list of people to blame for losing up to the final offensive drive. I actually thought he had a pretty good game and blame most of the second half struggles on playcalling.

But the fact remains... by far the most critical possession of the game was our last offensive possession. No matter what happened earlier in the game, we had the opportunity to win/lose the game on that one possession alone. And we blew it.

I'd argue that was the 2nd most critical possession. The 1st and 10 on the 28 after the fumbled punt to me was the game. TD there and the game is over. It's back to a 3 score game late in the 3rd quarter. FG there still leaves it at a 2 score game which the Titans overcame. If it 24-24 late (assuming the Titans kick the 2 extra points), you know how that ending goes.

Pasta Giant Meatball
01-07-2018, 05:26 PM
Tennessee adjusted and KC didn't.

It's simple.

Yup. Outcoached by Mike Mularkey and a fucking Hawaiin Spicoli at QB. I still say the most pathetic loss in team history.

splatbass
01-07-2018, 05:28 PM
Yup. Outcoached by Mike Mularkey and a ****ing Surfer QB. I still say the most pathetic loss in team history.

I agree we were out coached, but what does surfing have to do with it?

Pasta Giant Meatball
01-07-2018, 05:29 PM
I agree we were out coached, but what does surfing have to do with it?

Handled the dropping temps better than our Boy Wonder...again

splatbass
01-07-2018, 05:37 PM
Handled the dropping temps better than our Boy Wonder...again

Yeah, if you live in Hawaii and go straight to a cold area you are going to have problems (I've gotten on a plane at 80 degrees and got off in Seoul at 15 degrees many times so I can tell you with personal experience it sucks), but once you move to a colder place your body adjusts. The fact that he used to live in Hawaii has no impact on his performance today.

rabblerouser
01-08-2018, 01:37 PM
Yup. Outcoached by Mike Mularkey and a ****ing Hawaiin Spicoli at QB. I still say the most pathetic loss in team history.

Absolutely pathetic.

We had them on the ropes, punch drunk and bloody...they are who we thought they were, and we let em off the hook!

Marcellus
01-08-2018, 01:53 PM
Missed field goal - Alex's fault.

Dropped third down pass - Alex's fault.

Screen pass calls - Alex's fault.

Did Alex contribute to the futility, sure. But all of you idiots placing the majority of blame on him are a joke. This was an epic meltdown in execution on offense, defense, special teams, coaching and officiating.

Offense took a sack and lost 3 yards on the missed FG drive, yea Alex played a roll in that.

Dropped 3rd down pass? Alex threw it to who again?

Don't forget the 3rd down option play on 3rd and 1 where he kept the ball and ate a 1 yard loss.

Or the several times he went full turtle under little pressure in the 2nd half.

Yea the play calling was terrible but so was the execution.

rabblerouser
01-08-2018, 02:07 PM
The fact that the defense let Henry run for 150 yards IN THE SECOND HALF, and let the Titans dominate the TOP is meaningless? You're ****ing nuts. It should never have come down to where that one possession was a score or lose situation.

It was that 6 yard 3rd quarter offensive output that ran 96 seconds off the clock that allowed that 150 yards to be possible.

If the offense just puts some first downs together...