LNBS-Looking at the 2018 Salary Cap

[RunKC]

Holy shit what a mess. Here are the top 25 paid players, basically everyone with a cap hit of $1 million plus:

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Couple of things stand out here:

-Tamba is gone.
-No way in hell is DJ playing for $10.25 million.
-Dee Ford has no dead money unless his back is ****ed.
-No way should Allen Bailey play for an $8 million cap hit.
-Ron Parker’s value deal is over. $7 million cap hit is way too high for him.
-Revis will be decided in March. Doubt he’s back.
-Dirty Dan is $4.8 million to our cap. Holy shit.

There should be some cuts/restructures coming. I think we might see a lot of new faces on defense next year.

[Sassy Squatch]

Eric Fisher extension is an abomination.

[mcaj22]

these contracts are so horrible its not even funny. almost 5 million for Sorensen is puke.

[CaliforniaChief]

I would be more concerned if these terrible cap hits involved indispensable players.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Lots of moves to be made... but I don't think you can cut some of those guys like Parker/Bailey unless you have a solid replacement plan. At least a plan to use the money elsewhere.

[Sassy Squatch]

DJ, Hali, and Smith are obvious: 33 million
Parker and Bailey are maybes: 11 million
Ford is a tough one: 8.7

52.7 million in space from those moves.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

DJ, Hali, and Smith are obvious: 33 million
Parker and Bailey are maybes: 11 million
Ford is a tough one: 8.7

52.7 million in space from those moves.

Yes. Which all of those moves are fine as long as you've got solid replacements in mind, and as long as they are willing to use those savings in general.

I personally don't want to get rid of guys like Bailey, Ford, or Parker just to have some extra cap room. If they can use that money to grab Malcolm Butler and a mid-tier player elsewhere, then I'm all for it.

[Sassy Squatch]

Yes. Which all of those moves are fine as long as you've got solid replacements in mind, and as long as they are willing to use those savings in general.

I personally don't want to get rid of guys like Bailey, Ford, or Parker just to have some extra cap room. If they can use that money to grab Malcolm Butler and a mid-tier player elsewhere, then I'm all for it.
Just depends if Ford has shown he can bounce back and have a season like 2016. If he's still having problems staying healthy just cut bait. Kpassagnon needs to step up this year anyway or that pick was an unmitigated disaster

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Just depends if Ford has shown he can bounce back and have a season like 2016. If he's still having problems staying healthy just cut bait. Kpassagnon needs to step up this year anyway or that pick was an unmitigated disaster

I think Ford can be an above average pass rusher but never a 3-down guy because he will be below average against the run. KPass has the potential to be stout with both, but still has a lot of work to do.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Some easy moves off the books in Smith, Hali, and DJ. Not much of a mess at all really after freeing up that room. I'd keep Revis at that number.

[ThaVirus]

Good Lord, what a bunch of overpaid bums.

Who's earning their contract? Peters is certainly outplaying his. Chris Jones does from time to time. Kelce earns his, as does Schwartz.

Everyone else is stealing money.

[DRM08]

Need to re-sign Albert Wilson. He has legit chemistry with Mahomes in the passing game. That will be important for a very young starting QB in 2018, especially on 3rd downs.

[bigjosh]

Don't forget to cut zombo to get a cool million back. Zombo isn't worth vet minimum.

[bigjosh]

On another note, is Justin Houston the highest paid defensive back in the league?

[Dante84]

I actually don’t mind this because a lot of the guys who don’t add value will be obvious cuts, while the high value guys don’t hurt that much. Gives us room to add new faces. “Good” turnover, if you will.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I actually don’t mind this because a lot of the guys who don’t add value will be obvious cuts, while the high value guys don’t hurt that much. Gives us room to add new faces. “Good” turnover, if you will.

That's why I think we have a chance to get a lot better in a hurry. Its not like we are being forced to cut a bunch of guys that we really can't afford to lose.

[MMXcalibur]

I keep reading this damn topic as "Looking at the 2018 Stanley Cup".

[Nickhead]

i would comment on the OP but can't read the fucking embed :D

[ThaVirus]

Trade Alex, force DJ and Hali to retire, and cut Bailey, Zombo and Sorenson.

Let Ron Parker play out his contract. Unfortunately the back loading piper needs to be paid sometimes and we can't realistically replace two "starting" safeties in one offseason. He can't tackle worth a damn but he knows the system well and if he's your weakest link in the secondary, you're not doing too poorly.

I'm undecided on Ford and Revis. Ideally you'd be able to move on from them but they play the most important positions on defense. After Peters and Houston we're thin and lacking impact players at both spots so we may be forced to keep them both.

Go into the draft looking for OLB, DL, LG, CB, and S. TE and OL depth are some things to keep in mind.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Trade Alex, force DJ and Hali to retire, and cut Bailey, Zombo and Sorenson.

Let Ron Parker play out his contract. Unfortunately the back loading piper needs to be paid sometimes and we can't realistically replace two "starting" safeties in one offseason. He can't tackle worth a damn but he knows the system well and if he's your weakest link in the secondary, you're not doing too poorly.

I'm undecided on Ford and Revis. Ideally you'd be able to move on from them but they play the most important positions on defense. After Peters and Houston we're thin and lacking impact players at both spots so we may be forced to keep them both.

Go into the draft looking for OLB, DL, LG, CB, and S. TE and OL depth are some things to keep in mind.

Lol'd at the bold

[O.city]

Revis was just collecting a check this year

Hard no for next year there

[Hoover]

First, thank you for creating this thread as I have yet to see any discussion along these lines. This entire board is on board with the trade Alex, cut Hali and DJ movement.

And by the way, a teams cap number is not a mess because they don't have cap space as the year begins. Thier cap is a mess when they have no real moves to make to free up space. Chiefs are in a great spot actually IMO. Holes to fill, a defense to fix, but ample cap space. My concern is will there be good free agents to spend the money on.

[O.city]

The good thing is though, they don’t really need big ticket free agent on d they need supplemental guys that can bring value

That’s where you win free agency

[DRM08]

The good thing is though, they don’t really need big ticket free agent on d they need supplemental guys that can bring value

That’s where you win free agency

Healthy Eric Berry is a difference maker.

[O.city]

Yeah that’s the thing, they don’t need stars, they need good players.

Problem is everyone gets overplayed in free agency

[Easy 6]

Let Ron Parker play out his contract. Unfortunately the back loading piper needs to be paid sometimes and we can't realistically replace two "starting" safeties in one offseason. He can't tackle worth a damn but he knows the system well and if he's your weakest link in the secondary, you're not doing too poorly.

Thats where I'm at, too many other spots are in need of attention to worry about him right now

[Rausch]

i would comment on the OP but can't read the ****ing embed :D

I can't either.

I click and it doesn't expand - it's just the same small text in a different window...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Revis was just collecting a check this year

Hard no for next year there

He gave up virtually nothing the last 4 games. You guys are terrible at evaluating players. They should have let Henry score on that last play. He knew he wasn't getting there in time. Absolutely pathetic defensive alignment by Sutton.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Tanoh had two sacks in his one start, but let's play Zombo!!

[NJChiefsFan]

Yes. Which all of those moves are fine as long as you've got solid replacements in mind, and as long as they are willing to use those savings in general.

I personally don't want to get rid of guys like Bailey, Ford, or Parker just to have some extra cap room. If they can use that money to grab Malcolm Butler and a mid-tier player elsewhere, then I'm all for it.

I agree. Our depth at OLB is not good right now so cutting Ford just because he is making too much and hasn't worked out may not be enough of a reason. If we have enough draft capital or see a guy in FA that can replace him I'm all for moving on.

[BigRedChief]

Holy shit what a mess. Here are the top 25 paid players, basically everyone with a cap hit of $1 million plus:

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Couple of things stand out here:

-Tamba is gone.
-No way in hell is DJ playing for $10.25 million.
-Dee Ford has no dead money unless his back is ****ed.
-No way should Allen Bailey play for an $8 million cap hit.
-Ron Parker’s value deal is over. $7 million cap hit is way too high for him.
-Revis will be decided in March. Doubt he’s back.
-Dirty Dan is $4.8 million to our cap. Holy shit.

There should be some cuts/restructures coming. I think we might see a lot of new faces on defense next year.Q


Cut:
$8.7 million = Ford
$8 million = DJ
$8 million = Hali
$5 million = Parker
$4.5 million = Reavis
$5.95 million = Tardif

Trade:
$17 million = Smith

Cut players = $40.15 Million
Smith = $17 million
Current cap room = $4.8 million

2018 Total cap savings and room = $61.95 Million

Plan:


Trade Smith for whatever we can get in draft picks. Use those picks to get the best defensive players available.
Use our cap room to buy the best defensive help available
Use our 2nd rounder on defense
Use our 3rd rounder on the O-line
4-7 best defense or O-line available

Numbers from:
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/

[RunKC]

Cut our 2nd best OL who is one of the best guards in the league?

[BigRedChief]

Cut our 2nd best OL who is one of the best guards in the league?yeah that was a bone head thing. But, l just copied and pasted. The good ideas and the horrible one.

[DaneMcCloud]

Guys, there is absolutely NO reason to $50-$60 million in cap space this year. The Free Agent market is pretty week and replacing guys like Ron Parker and Allen Bailey won't be so easy. While neither is a superstar, both are adequate. No team is filled with 22 superstars.

Smith, Hali and DJ will open up plenty of cap room. There's no need for a "roster purge" when the Chiefs currently have only five selections in the draft.

[ThaVirus]

The good thing is though, they don’t really need big ticket free agent on d they need supplemental guys that can bring value

That’s where you win free agency


We need a defensive FA signing like the Schwartz deal from last offseason in a bad way.

[ThaVirus]

What’s Fulton worth? We should probably re-sign him. Not sure I’d like anything worth over $5m per year though.

[oldman]

The only thing we have to have on O is a LG and a backup QB. Can Ehinger or Morse step up? If the answer is no, then cut one along with Witzman and use the remaining one for backup (considering you keep Fulton). FA or draft to replace. I'm out on Ford, especially at $8.7M. Horrid against the run and seems to have problems staying on the field. Kpass will be just fine. No one broke down Revis's door last year, so I think we could could do better on a multi-year deal with him, should we decide to keep him. Lock up some of our young studs and spend any remaining $ and draft picks on D. And I'm with Dane, no need to spend everything this year.

[Easy 6]

We need a defensive FA signing like the Schwartz deal from last offseason in a bad way.

Malcolm Butler fits that description

We'll see who gets cut loose after the draft, but right now the FA class looks less than stellar

[RunKC]

Guys, there is absolutely NO reason to $50-$60 million in cap space this year. The Free Agent market is pretty week and replacing guys like Ron Parker and Allen Bailey won't be so easy. While neither is a superstar, both are adequate. No team is filled with 22 superstars.

Smith, Hali and DJ will open up plenty of cap room. There's no need for a "roster purge" when the Chiefs currently have only five selections in the draft.

Yeah unfortunately you’re right.

I hope we can get 2-3 complimentary players from the mid tier pool that can help us.

[BigRedChief]

Guys, there is absolutely NO reason to $50-$60 million in cap space this year. The Free Agent market is pretty week and replacing guys like Ron Parker and Allen Bailey won't be so easy. While neither is a superstar, both are adequate. No team is filled with 22 superstars.

Smith, Hali and DJ will open up plenty of cap room. There's no need for a "roster purge" when the Chiefs currently have only five selections in the draft.Ford and Reavis have no value to us at $13 million. A good NFL backup QB is going to cost us up to $5-$8 million. We still have money left to buy more just on those two worthless players being gone.

[DaneMcCloud]

Ford and Reavis have no value to us at $13 million. A good NFL backup QB is going to cost us up to $7-$8 million. We still have money left to buy more just on those two worthless players being gone.

Ford has value, even at $8 million. You're not going to find a guy that cheap that can provide 10 sacks when healthy.

As for Revis, if he'll take $2-3 million for 2018, sign him up. The Chiefs have NO ONE behind Peters. Gaines is awful, who knows what this Keith Reaser is and Mitchell and Acker aren't even average.

Dorsey really fucked the secondary (and left guard and wide receiver and defensive line and outside linebacker).

[oldman]

Ford and Reavis have no value to us at $13 million. A good NFL backup QB is going to cost us up to $5-$8 million. We still have money left to buy more just on those two worthless players being gone.

I asked the question about a backup QB in another thread and was told that Daniel got $900K for 1 year. I would think a quality backup QB would be more in the $4-5M range.

[The Franchise]

Keep in mind that cutting Revis would save $4.5 million. I’m pretty sure if we keep him....he has something like a $10 million dollar guaranteed bonus if he’s on the roster at the start of the new year.

[BigRedChief]

Ford has value, even at $8 million. You're not going to find a guy that cheap that can provide 10 sacks when healthy.

As for Revis, if he'll take $2-3 million for 2018, sign him up. The Chiefs have NO ONE behind Peters. Gaines is awful, who knows what this Keith Reaser is and Mitchell and Acker aren't even average.

Dorsey really ****ed the secondary (and left guard and wide receiver and defensive line and outside linebacker).Reavis has bonus money due him if he's on the roster. Millions. He gives that up and wants to work $2-3 million, that works for me.

Ford has never done shit. He's always hurt. No confidence in him whatsoever. I'd rather use that money on Lawrence or Gillette.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah unfortunately you’re right.

I hope we can get 2-3 complimentary players from the mid tier pool that can help us.

I'd like to see the Chiefs go all out and get the left guard from the Panthers, All Pro Andrew Norwell and bring back a guy like Bradley McDougald.

There's really not much in terms of defensive tackles, maybe a guy like Daquan Jones as a 5 tech rotation and again, there's just not much at OLB. I guess you could roll the dice on a guy like Trent Murphy but who knows how well he'll perform after missing the year with a torn ACL and is he even ready for Training Camp (I doubt it).

I think the Chiefs bring back Wilson and pretty much stand pat with their receiving corp. Chesson and Kemp should make pretty big leaps this offseason, as should Robinson.

I don't know enough about the available cornerbacks but there's no way I'd give out a huge $13 million per year deal to a Malcom Butler or Trumaine Johnson when Marcus Peters is younger and better, looking at a contract year soon.

[DaneMcCloud]

Reavis has bonus money due him if he's on the roster. Millions. He gives that up and wants to work $2-3 million, that works for me.

Revis has a $10 million dollar roster bonus and yeah, there's no way the Chiefs pick that up after his performance last season.

But if he still wants to play, I'd take him for anywhere from $2-$4 million in 2018, especially since there's a lack of alternatives. Sure, the Chiefs could hit on a guy in the draft but that would be a stroke of luck considering their first pick isn't until #54 overall.

Ford has never done shit. He's always hurt. No confidence in him whatsoever. I'd rather use that money on Lawrence or Gillette.

Dallas isn't allowing Lawrence to go. No way, Dude. Ford had a 10 sack season and played very well in 2016 at the LOLB position. When healthy, the guy is a force but IMO, Sutton (as he's done with other players) has mis-used Ford. While his health has certainly been an issue, the scheme has been a bigger issue.

[oldman]

I'm with you about the WRs. Mahomes seemed to have some chemistry with Kemp and Dieter during the preseason and Chesson just needs some work. DRob and Wilson just need to be less erratic. And we still have DAT for bubble screens.

[KChiefs1]

Good Lord, what a bunch of overpaid bums.

Who's earning their contract? Peters is certainly outplaying his. Chris Jones does from time to time. Kelce earns his, as does Schwartz.

Everyone else is stealing money.



Why Dorsey was fired.

[Willie Lanier]

Tanoh had two sacks in his one start, but let's play Zombo!!

^

[TambaBerry]

Lol Ford being a force made me alugh out loud. The guy is a bust and was never good

[BryanBusby]

Dee Ford sucks ass

[Hammock Parties]

I'd keep Parker. We have enough cap room from the other cuts he's still reasonable given his performance over the last three seasons.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'd keep Parker. We have enough cap room from the other cuts he's still reasonable given his performance over the last three seasons.

That's a no-brainer.

Eric Murray and Daniel Sorenson are sub-par safeties and there's no way to replace a starter at safety this offseason, given the players available and the limited number of draft picks.

My biggest hope for Veach is that he drafts players that are ready now and don't need years of training and coaching up.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I'd keep Parker. We have enough cap room from the other cuts he's still reasonable given his performance over the last three seasons.

Definitely... besides, it's going to be hard to upgrade Parker unless you use a premium pick at safety, which seems unlikely this year. If anything they need to just worry about upgrading Sorensen.

I feel pretty much the same way about Bailey. Don't think they need the cap room that his release will give them. Unless they think he just sucked ass this year, I'd let him finish the contract.

[O.city]

I'd like to see the Chiefs go all out and get the left guard from the Panthers, All Pro Andrew Norwell and bring back a guy like Bradley McDougald.

There's really not much in terms of defensive tackles, maybe a guy like Daquan Jones as a 5 tech rotation and again, there's just not much at OLB. I guess you could roll the dice on a guy like Trent Murphy but who knows how well he'll perform after missing the year with a torn ACL and is he even ready for Training Camp (I doubt it).

I think the Chiefs bring back Wilson and pretty much stand pat with their receiving corp. Chesson and Kemp should make pretty big leaps this offseason, as should Robinson.

I don't know enough about the available cornerbacks but there's no way I'd give out a huge $13 million per year deal to a Malcom Butler or Trumaine Johnson when Marcus Peters is younger and better, looking at a contract year soon.

There aren't any star OLB on the market that I can tell, but there are a shit load of guys who are better than Zombo and could actually be decent.

While I'd like to flip Alex for a couple high round picks, I wonder if you could figure out a player for player trade plus a pick coming back.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

There aren't any star OLB on the market that I can tell, but there are a shit load of guys who are better than Zombo and could actually be decent.

While I'd like to flip Alex for a couple high round picks, I wonder if you could figure out a player for player trade plus a pick coming back.

If Jacksonville loses tomorrow because of Bortles, I expect them to be all in on Alex. That defense is ready to roll right now and the window won't stay open forever with a lot of those guys on the cheap. They legitimately should offer their 1st for Alex IMO.

[DaneMcCloud]

There aren't any star OLB on the market that I can tell, but there are a shit load of guys who are better than Zombo and could actually be decent.

While I'd like to flip Alex for a couple high round picks, I wonder if you could figure out a player for player trade plus a pick coming back.

I would imagine that Tanoh heads into the season in competition with Nicolas (if he's healthy) and Ford (if he's healthy).

They'll definitely need to draft at least one OLBer, unless they're planning to move Eligwe outside, like he was against Denver, in which they'll need at least another ILBer.

Veach's strategy will be interesting to watch.

[O.city]

I would imagine that Tanoh heads into the season in competition with Nicolas (if he's healthy) and Ford (if he's healthy).

They'll definitely need to draft at least one OLBer, unless they're planning to move Eligwe outside, like he was against Denver, in which they'll need at least another ILBer.

Veach's strategy will be interesting to watch.

I don't think they're in a bad spot in free agency in the sense that they don't need the big name free agents. They need to supplement whats there. Ideally you'd add low dollar guys that yield high dollar results, plus the draft picks.

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't think they're in a bad spot in free agency in the sense that they don't need the big name free agents. They need to supplement whats there. Ideally you'd add low dollar guys that yield high dollar results, plus the draft picks.

Yeah but the pool is really, really shallow.

A metric fuckton of JAG's and a few Franchise Players, many of whom won't be allowed to leave their current teams.

[O.city]

Yeah but the pool is really, really shallow.

A metric ****ton of JAG's and a few Franchise Players, many of whom won't be allowed to leave their current teams.

Theres definitely some JAGS in there, but theres also potential for there to be some Sean Smith type players for the Chiefs that might excel in a different scheme etc.

Just gotta figure who they are.

[BryanBusby]

The FA class is gonna be real shallow once teams realize dollars are probably best used to keep their jags (see Watkins will be tagged) and a bunch of squads will have practically unlimited funds to throw at the few decent ones.

I'd gamble on a prove it FA, overpay for one in the cream of the crop and just carry over the rest to 2019.

I'd bring booger back, overpay for Norwell, gamble with Aaron Lynch, sign the guys we want to keep and call it a FA.

[Coogs]

We need to try and put together some blockbuster type trade together with Cleveland and get the #4 pick and take Bradley Chubb from North Carolina State. I still think it would be a prefect year for this defense to get to a different scheme like a 4-3. Chubb, Jones, RNR, K-Pass across the front line. Ragland at the MLB. Use the cap money and other draft picks to fill in the other spots for this year. Maybe round it out in next years draft.

Smith, Peters, Houston and/or Ford for #4, their 2nd rounder from Philly, and get our 5th from them back.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

We need to try and put together some blockbuster type trade together with Cleveland and get the #4 pick and take Bradley Chubb from North Carolina State. I still think it would be a prefect year for this defense to get to a different scheme like a 4-3. Chubb, Jones, RNR, K-Pass across the front line. Ragland at the MLB. Use the cap money and other draft picks to fill in the other spots for this year. Maybe round it out in next years draft.

Smith, Peters, Houston and/or Ford for #4, their 2nd rounder from Philly, and get our 5th from them back.

You lost me at Peters.

It'd be cool and all to get that pick, but a trade like that just isn't going to happen.

[Coogs]

You lost me at Peters.

It'd be cool and all to get that pick, but a trade like that just isn't going to happen.

I just don't think Peters wants to be here, and I really look for him to start holding out real soon and asking for huge dollars like the DT from the Rams did last season in just his 3rd year in the NFL.

And it is going to have to take a player like Peters to get to #4.

It's JMO though.

I'd go for a new face for the defense. Build it around Jones, Chubbs and Ragland.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I just don't think Peters wants to be here, and I really look for him to start holding out real soon and asking for huge dollars like the DT from the Rams did last season in just his 3rd year in the NFL.

And it is going to have to take a player like Peters to get to #4.

It's JMO though.

I'd go for a new face for the defense. Build it around Jones, Chubbs and Ragland.

If your theory holds true, then yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea. I just don't know though. Every time I've ever thought we should trade Peters, he makes 2 or 3 plays that other guys just never make.

[Coogs]

If your theory holds true, then yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea. I just don't know though. Every time I've ever thought we should trade Peters, he makes 2 or 3 plays that other guys just never make.

I get it. But you can use the rest of this draft, next years draft, and some free agents to try and fill the spot. Maybe the FA CB from the Rams?

Rebuild the defense over a couple of years to be a championship defense while Mahomes is getting up to speed.

[KChiefs1]

I think a Houston trade would make sense. Trading Smith along with Houston should net quite a haul.

[NJChiefsFan]

I think a Houston trade would make sense. Trading Smith along with Houston should net quite a haul.

If we trade Houston then we are desperately trying to find a guy to replace.....Houston. If FA was offering players that the money could be spent on OK. I don't see the value in FA so I don't think we need to be clearing the cap space with a player we really need.

[BryanBusby]

Trading one of the few good players is an A+ way to rebuild the D, I tell you what

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I think Houston has some juice left. He will be two years removed from the injury. Sutton misused him so badly this year and he still was one of the better EDGE defenders in the league.

But that brings us back to problem #1.... Sutton.

[KChiefs1]

I think Houston has some juice left. He will be two years removed from the injury. Sutton misused him so badly this year and he still was one of the better EDGE defenders in the league.



But that brings us back to problem #1.... Sutton.



If Sutton stays what makes you think Houston will be anymore than what he is? An overpaid underutilized player.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

If Sutton stays what makes you think Houston will be anymore than what he is? An overpaid underutilized player.

You just have to hope that the old bastard is either told by Andy or realizes himself that he was an idiot for the way he used him. I mean, he wasn't doing that shit from '13-'15 with him, so it's been done before. :shrug:

[Coogs]

I was listening to Grunhard the other day on my morning drive to work. He said opposing OC's know what sets Houston is going to be allowed to rush and which sets he is going to drop into coverage, so they are scheming to get the personal on the field the keeps Houston in coverage most of the day. Makes sense.

[Chiefs Moon]

In the mix of acquiring players: I like what Veach did when he traded draft picks for current NFL players. Ragland and Erving were good trades. I've heard the 2018 draft is weak. If there are under-utilized players -- for whatever reasons-- currently on rosters, I'd like to see continued activity there. As to FA and draft, if nothing else, I hope a legit TE and RB are available. On defense, a crazy thought: Look for guys who actually enjoy contact. The unit is so soft, so uninspired.

[Sandy Vagina]

Checked yesterday, and the year to get out of Justin Houston's contract would be after 2018. Too much dead cap, if to consider this offseason.

Need to be adding talent on D.. not losing a top player, only to incur heavy cap damage.

[BigRedChief]

If Jacksonville loses tomorrow because of Bortles, I expect them to be all in on Alex. That defense is ready to roll right now and the window won't stay open forever with a lot of those guys on the cheap. They legitimately should offer their 1st for Alex IMO.Thats not the feeling down here at all. No one wants Alex. Literally no Jags fan I've talked too.

They want Cousins. Have the cap room to make the deal. Jags are out of the Smith trade scenarios.

[BigRedChief]

I was listening to Grunhard the other day on my morning drive to work. He said opposing OC's know what sets Houston is going to be allowed to rush and which sets he is going to drop into coverage, so they are scheming to get the personal on the field the keeps Houston in coverage most of the day. Makes sense.:hmmm: okay, so Sutton is a dumbass. But, if its that obvious, why wouldn't the other coaches warn him of the tell?

[Hoover]

Thats not the feeling down here at all. No one wants Alex. Literally no Jags fan I've talked too.

They want Cousins. Have the cap room to make the deal. Jags are out of the Smith trade scenarios.

While I think that makes a ton of sense, it may not be realistic.

1. Cousins would want to go to Jacksonville
2. Jacksonville is going to have to compete with a bunch of teams for his services, and the dude isn’t going to give anyone a deal.
3. I don’t give a shit what the fans are saying all that matters is the front office.

What happens if you miss out on cousins and a team like Arizona pulled the trigger quick on Smith? What you going to do sign Bortles to a long term deal. Yuck.

[Coogs]

:hmmm: okay, so Sutton is a dumbass. But, if its that obvious, why wouldn't the other coaches warn him of the tell?

Damned if I know. He just said in certain formations Houston is going to be dropping in coverage. So the other teams are making sure that is what he is doing.

I'm all for a switch to a 4-3 so we have our best pass rushers with their hand on the dirt out on the end rushing he passer nearly all of the time.

[chiefzilla1501]

While I think that makes a ton of sense, it may not be realistic.

1. Cousins would want to go to Jacksonville
2. Jacksonville is going to have to compete with a bunch of teams for his services, and the dude isn’t going to give anyone a deal.
3. I don’t give a shit what the fans are saying all that matters is the front office.

What happens if you miss out on cousins and a team like Arizona pulled the trigger quick on Smith? What you going to do sign Bortles to a long term deal. Yuck.

Cousins to Jacksonville makes a ton of sense. They are a young team with a shit load of cap space and probably want a qb who is a longer term answer. I don't think Jacksonville is as much in play as we think it is. The only thing on our side is that Alex plays the same style of WCO as bortles except better.

[Sandy Vagina]

Damned if I know. He just said in certain formations Houston is going to be dropping in coverage. So the other teams are making sure that is what he is doing.

I'm all for a switch to a 4-3 so we have our best pass rushers with their hand on the dirt out on the end rushing he passer nearly all of the time.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/images/smileys/love.gif .. yes please.

Would benefit the team to have Houston and KPass as pure edge rushers. Chris Jones and Bailey inside. Too costly for either Ford or Logan to stick around. I think all the other LBs would benefit from this as well. (Rags as the Mike)

Wouldn't have to change things up on the line when in pass situations. Just drop out a LB or two for a DB.

[chiefzilla1501]

I was listening to Grunhard the other day on my morning drive to work. He said opposing OC's know what sets Houston is going to be allowed to rush and which sets he is going to drop into coverage, so they are scheming to get the personal on the field the keeps Houston in coverage most of the day. Makes sense.

I would hope and think the players, especially a well respected guy like Houston, are communicating this up. I'm sure they heard Romo pick apart this defense on national TV. And it's no secret that peters hates this scheme. Sutton may have no clue but I'd have to think plenty of people in the org know there's a problem.

[BryanBusby]

Thats not the feeling down here at all. No one wants Alex. Literally no Jags fan I've talked too.

They want Cousins. Have the cap room to make the deal. Jags are out of the Smith trade scenarios.
Punting Bortles to make Cousins the highest paid QB ever, who has Bortles like meltdowns, doesn't seem like a move Tom Coughlin would favor.

[chiefzilla1501]

I think a Houston trade would make sense. Trading Smith along with Houston should net quite a haul.

Trading Houston is a very bad idea. We'd take a $13M dead cap hit.

Houston is a good target for a 2019 restructure or contract extension. Unless they decide to outright cut him in 2019, which I doubt they'd want to given his veteran leadership. We'll get cap relief for his contract soon enough.

[Easy 6]

Punting Bortles to make Cousins the highest paid QB ever, who has Bortles like meltdowns, doesn't seem like a move Tom Coughlin would favor.

Swear to God, Cousins has to be the most inexplicably overhyped QB of the last 10 years

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Thats not the feeling down here at all. No one wants Alex. Literally no Jags fan I've talked too.

They want Cousins. Have the cap room to make the deal. Jags are out of the Smith trade scenarios.

Hmm. I think that's goofy on their end.

The way that Jags team is set up, they'd be better off with a guy like Smith who won't screw things up more so than Cousins who can be a bit of a wild card. They need a guy who can consistently go out and protect the ball, as they are 9-0 when Bortles hasn't thrown an INT in 2017.

[chiefzilla1501]

Swear to God, Cousins has to be the most inexplicably overhyped QB of the last 10 years

Meh, not sure he's really that hyped. I think everyone sees him as a middling QB. But the Jags are in that win now, long window mode that long-term stability at QB is on their mind. And it's going to be really hard for them to rely on the draft since they'll probably be a lower first round pick for years to come.

[Hoover]

Cousins to Jacksonville makes a ton of sense. They are a young team with a shit load of cap space and probably want a qb who is a longer term answer. I don't think Jacksonville is as much in play as we think it is. The only thing on our side is that Alex plays the same style of WCO as bortles except better.
Agree. But you have to make sure you get your guy. Not sure Jacksonville is that attractive for Cousins.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I would think Jacksonville is the most appealing QB opening. Elite defense, great running game, good receivers. Good weather. They've got the money to pay you...

Any QB would be fine with that IMO.

[chiefzilla1501]

I would think Jacksonville is the most appealing QB opening. Elite defense, great running game, good receivers. Good weather. They've got the money to pay you...

Any QB would be fine with that IMO.

And tons of cap space for years to come.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

And tons of cap space for years to come.

True but that will shrivel up pretty quickly because they have a BUNCH of young studs playing for cheap right now. Especially if they sign a QB for big money.

I think Smith is the man for the job there but we'll see. The Chiefs shouldn't give them Alex unless they pony up the best trade deal by far.

[RunKC]

The Chiefs are last in the NFL in projected cap space in 2018. We are a projected $7 million in the red.

Thanks Dorsey

[gold_and_red]

The Chiefs are last in the NFL in projected cap space in 2018. We are a projected $7 million in the red.

Thanks Dorsey

As many have pointed out maybe that is why Sutton is still employed here. Reid feels Dorsey screwed over the coaching stuff with lack of depth and undeserving contracts.

[chiefzilla1501]

The Chiefs are last in the NFL in projected cap space in 2018. We are a projected $7 million in the red.

Thanks Dorsey

I really could care less what our projected cap space is. We have a ton of money we can move around without taking dead cap. The Chiefs are in fine cap space in 2018, and they'll be in terrific cap space by 2019. Especially if they trade Alex Smith.

[Hoover]

I really could care less what our projected cap space is. We have a ton of money we can move around without taking dead cap. The Chiefs are in fine cap space in 2018, and they'll be in terrific cap space by 2019. Especially if they trade Alex Smith.
the game is really being able to get out of contracts if need be. Chiefs are in a good shape. Situation is only going to get better

[chiefzilla1501]

the game is really being able to get out of contracts if need be. Chiefs are in a good shape. Situation is only going to get better

Yeah, that's one thing Dorsey actually did a pretty decent job of. Of course a Houston or a Berry will have a contract that's impossible to get out of, because you can't keep them any other way. But he had a ton of contracts like Parker, Bailey, etc... that look big $, but they're easy to get out of. The complete duff is on LDT and arguably Fisher. I don't know why they gave so much $ in those contracts that are virtually guaranteed. We can't get out of those for several years.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Idk man. LDT is one of the league's better guards right now, especially as a pass blocker.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah, that's one thing Dorsey actually did a pretty decent job of. Of course a Houston or a Berry will have a contract that's impossible to get out of, because you can't keep them any other way. But he had a ton of contracts like Parker, Bailey, etc... that look big $, but they're easy to get out of. The complete duff is on LDT and arguably Fisher. I don't know why they gave so much $ in those contracts that are virtually guaranteed. We can't get out of those for several years.

$70+ million in Dead Money during Dorsey’s tenure is not a “decent job”, you fucking idiot.

And LDT is one of the league’s better interior lineman who’s going nowhere.

[RealSNR]

Just getting rid of an expensive contract because it's a big contract is idiotic.

LDT's deal was perhaps premature, but he's earned it and will continue to earn it.

You need good players to go deep in the playoffs, and just because you're not underpaying them doesn't make them bad investments

[chiefzilla1501]

$70+ million in Dead Money during Dorsey’s tenure is not a “decent job”, you ****ing idiot.

And LDT is one of the league’s better interior lineman who’s going nowhere.

I didn't say $70+ million was a decent job. Dorsey generally structured long-term contracts that could be exited in 2-3 years without much dead cap. He racked up dead cap because he impulsively cut too many players a year too soon or signed too many guys who could never make it 2-3 years. And LDT is fine as a Guard, but he's overpaid.

[BryanBusby]

The Chiefs are last in the NFL in projected cap space in 2018. We are a projected $7 million in the red.

Thanks Dorsey
Win now comes at a cost.

[BryanBusby]

Swear to God, Cousins has to be the most inexplicably overhyped QB of the last 10 years
Qb's in general are way overhyped with all the emphasis on passing.

They need to rebalance things.

[O.city]

With the chiefs starting a new qb and having a young offense basically set, it’s not likely they’re a contender next year unless things go really well.

That being the case they need to get the financial house in order so I’d look to potentially get rid of any older vet that isn’t gonna be here in a year or two anyway

[DaneMcCloud]

the game is really being able to get out of contracts if need be. Chiefs are in a good shape. Situation is only going to get better

“Getting out of shitty contracts that shouldn’t have been offered” for $2,000, Alex

Dunta Robinson
Anthony Fasano
Dwayne Bowe
Ben Grubbs (plus draft pick)
Vance Walker
Jah Reid
Tamba Hali (after taking an unnecessary $4 million Dead Space hit)
Jeremy Maclin
Derrick Johnson

On Deck:
Dan Sorensen
Allen Bailey

At least the Bennie Logan disaster was for one year

[RunKC]

No drafting well comes at a cost.

FYP

[DaneMcCloud]

With the chiefs starting a new qb and having a young offense basically set, it’s not likely they’re a contender next year unless things go really well.

That being the case they need to get the financial house in order so I’d look to potentially get rid of any older vet that isn’t gonna be here in a year or two anyway

The only reason why, at this point, the Chiefs should be considered a contender for the AFC West crown is because Rivers will be a year older, Denver doesn’t have a QB and while the Raiders likely upgraded their coaching staff, their line is older and their defense is a sieve.

The best course of action for the Chiefs in 2018, IMO anyway, is to get a badass LG, a returner/receiver in the mold of Pharoah Cooper, draft as many defenses pieces as possible and hope to win high scoring shootouts each week.

[BryanBusby]

FYP
Eh. The cap goes up enough every year to keep your own talent. When you gotta pay vets is when things accelerate in a hurry.

[O.city]

The only reason why at this point, the Chiefs should be considered a contender for the AFC West crown is because Rivers will be a year older, Denver doesn’t have a QB and while the Raiders likely upgraded their coaching staff, their line is older and their defense is a sieve.

The best course of action for the Chiefs in 2018, IMO anyway, is to get a badass LG, a returner/receiver in the mold of Pharoah Cooper, draft as many defenses pieces as possible and hope to win high scoring shootouts each week.

They need to try and push building the defense quickly while they’ve got a qb on a cheap deal.

[DaneMcCloud]

They need to try and push building the defense quickly while they’ve got a qb on a cheap deal.

They can do that through the draft.

But all the offense is missing is a monster left guard.

Fill that hole with a stud and the offense will be more explosive in 2018, especially in short yardage situations, which has been their albatross.

[O.city]

They can do that through the draft.

But all the offense is missing is a monster left guard.

Fill that hole with a stud and the offense will be more explosive in 2018, especially in short yardage situations, which has been their albatross.

Weren’t they like first in the league in those situations this year?

I’d like a new lg but I’m not sure they value it that much for some reason

[RunKC]

Eh. The cap goes up enough every year to keep your own talent. When you gotta pay vets is when things accelerate in a hurry.

That’s why the draft is so important. Cheap contracts solve everything.

Dorsey ****ed up theb2014 draft, a 3rd rd pick in 2015 and took a developmental project in the 2nd rd this year.

Chickens came to roost this year.

[DaneMcCloud]

Weren’t they like first in the league in those situations this year?

I’d like a new lg but I’m not sure they value it that much for some reason

Dorsey tried with the Grubbs trade, with Ehinger and so on but couldn’t crack that nut.

It’s time to pay a free agent, just like they did with Schwartz after years of bad right tackle play.

[O.city]

I’d be all for it but again, I’m just not sure that’s a spot they’ll go after

I haven’t looked but are there any good guards available

[BryanBusby]

That’s why the draft is so important. Cheap contracts solve everything.

Dorsey fucked up theb2014 draft, a 3rd rd pick in 2015 and took a developmental project in the 2nd rd this year.

Chickens care to roost this year.
Can't nail every draft.

Just too many retarded deals is what sunk KC. Shit like Dunta Robinson and that dog shit OL from Arizona, extending Grubbs, waiting forever to sign Berry+Houston, trading for a limpdick QB they had to pay, giving Jamaal more money for him to promptly break down.

So many shitty contracts because they were determined to win now.

[O.city]

Can't nail every draft.

Just too many retarded deals is what sunk KC. Shit like Dunta Robinson and that dog shit OL from Arizona, extending Grubbs, waiting forever to sign Berry+Houston, trading for a limpdick QB they had to pay, giving Jamaal more money for him to promptly break down.

So many shitty contracts because they were determined to win now.

Bad luck with some of it too

Houston and Berry get deserved big deals and get hurt

Etc etc

[BryanBusby]

Bad luck with some of it too

Houston and Berry get deserved big deals and get hurt

Etc etc
I don't think injuries after signing deals matters a lot, outside of just shit ass luck for us.

You just can't sustain for long when you're giving out record breaking deals while being crushed with dead money.

[NJChiefsFan]

With the chiefs starting a new qb and having a young offense basically set, it’s not likely they’re a contender next year unless things go really well.

That being the case they need to get the financial house in order so I’d look to potentially get rid of any older vet that isn’t gonna be here in a year or two anyway

I do think we will have growing pains but I think with Berry coming back, if we can fix the pass rush it would really go a long way to making next year a legit year.

[DaneMcCloud]

I’d be all for it but again, I’m just not sure that’s a spot they’ll go after

I haven’t looked but are there any good guards available

Yes, 26 year old All Pro from the Panthers Andrew Nowell.

27 year old Titans guard Quinton Spain.

I’d go all in on Nowell. An interior with Nowell/Fulton/LDT would be bad ass.

No more fail on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1.

I’m tired of that shit.

[chiefzilla1501]

I'm not as bummed out about free agency and draft. We used free agency to build depth and I don't mind if we keep doing that. For the price of one blue chip, we signed several middling guys to deals that were easy to back out of. Vance Walker and Dunta were disasters, but they were easy to cut. I feel like most of our really bad deals were when we re-signed our own. And our cap troubles on free agents were mostly poor cap management - cutting a guy way too soon, or not soon enough.

[NJChiefsFan]

Yes, 26 year old All Pro from the Panthers Andrew Nowell.

27 year old Titans guard Quinton Spain.

I’d go all in on Nowell. An interior with Nowell/Fulton/LDT would be bad ass.

No more fail on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1.

I’m tired of that shit.

How would you rank G compared to CB, OLB, and DL?

[DaneMcCloud]

I do think we will have growing pains but I think with Berry coming back, if we can fix the pass rush it would really go a long way to making next year a legit year.

It’s going to take some serious luck for this team to go from the bottom of the defensive ranking to even the middle.

Besides a starting Nose Tackle they need depth across the D line, a WILL next to Ragland, a competent cornerback opposite Peters, a ROLB and depth everywhere.

I don’t know if they can do that in one offseason.

[NJChiefsFan]

It’s going to take some serious luck for this team to go from the bottom of the defensive ranking to even the middle.

Besides a starting Nose Tackle they need depth across the D line, a WILL next to Ragland, a competent cornerback opposite Peters, a ROLB and depth everywhere.

I don’t know if they can do that in one offseason.

I'm not sure they can either. I think the focus needs to be fixing 2 positions and hoping we get lucky enough to fill out some depth at the same time elsewhere.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

It's gonna be hard to patch every hole on defense of course, but....

The Chiefs are in a unique position that should allow them to really hone in on defenders during the draft and FA. That should make it easier on them.

[DaneMcCloud]

It's gonna be hard to patch every hole on defense of course, but....

The Chiefs are in a unique position that should allow them to really hone in on defenders during the draft and FA. That should make it easier on them.

Except they’re going to need some luck because free agency doesn’t really offer many, if any, solutions.

It’s like last year: People were convinced Gerald Hodges would be the solution at ILBer. Not only was he passed upon by the Chiefs answer others, he was cut September 3rd by the Bills and went unclaimed before signing with New Orleans in October and recorded zero stats for the year.

For defense, it’ll be draft and trades. For offense, get the left guard in Free Agency.

[NJChiefsFan]

Except they’re going to need some luck because free agency doesn’t really offer many, if any, solutions.

It’s like last year: People were convinced Gerald Hodges would be the solution at ILBer. Not only was he passed upon by the Chiefs answer others, he was cut September 3rd by the Bills and went unclaimed before signing with New Orleans in October and recorded zero stats for the year.

For defense, it’ll be draft and trades. For offense, get the left guard in Free Agency.

Jags are paying Bouye $15 million a year for the next 4. That's a lot of money they had to spend to get him in FA. I would love to get a CB in free agency but financially it may not make sense.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Jags are paying Bouye $15 million a year for the next 4. That's a lot of money they had to spend to get him in FA. I would love to get a CB in free agency but financially it may not make sense.

It'd be an easy move if we weren't on the door step of potentially paying Peters even more.

[ThaVirus]

With the chiefs starting a new qb and having a young offense basically set, it’s not likely they’re a contender next year unless things go really well.

That being the case they need to get the financial house in order so I’d look to potentially get rid of any older vet that isn’t gonna be here in a year or two anyway

I don't expect to be a Super Bowl contender next season but I do expect to compete for the division crown.

9-7 or 10-6 would be nice.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I don't expect to be a Super Bowl contender next season but I do expect to compete for the division crown.

9-7 or 10-6 would be nice.

If they can really hit on their FA/draft moves... they could probably be contenders. It won't be easy, nor is it likely. But possible.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Even with Mahomes at QB, Chiefs get smoked bt either of those two teams

[O.city]

I mean who’s really gonna be a contender in the afc next year, outside of New England?

Pitt looks like it may be the end and Jacksonville has a great d and Bortles.

[NJChiefsFan]

I mean who’s really gonna be a contender in the afc next year, outside of New England?

Pitt looks like it may be the end and Jacksonville has a great d and Bortles.

PIT's offense is still stacked if Ben comes back. The rest of the offense is young either way. Will be interesting to see what they do if Ben does retire.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I mean who’s really gonna be a contender in the afc next year, outside of New England?

Pitt looks like it may be the end and Jacksonville has a great d and Bortles.

Very unclear at this point with FA and the draft to come.

I would say Jacksonville is a contender with whoever their QB is, NE and PIT if they bring back their key guys.

Then you have teams like the Chiefs, Bills, Titans, Ravens, Chargers... inconsistent teams in 2017. Bound to see changes for better or worse.

Oakland should probably be better in the short term although I don't know if Gruden will be able to maintain success once they go to Vegas. Colts could be better with McDaniels for sure.

[BryanBusby]

It’s going to take some serious luck for this team to go from the bottom of the defensive ranking to even the middle.

Besides a starting Nose Tackle they need depth across the D line, a WILL next to Ragland, a competent cornerback opposite Peters, a ROLB and depth everywhere.

I don’t know if they can do that in one offseason.
They could address most the needs if they went heavy D in the draft and nailed them all. I don't anticipate that they will ans will accept the fact that the D will probably be leaky again in 2018.

Priority might be loading talent on Offense for Pat.

[chiefzilla1501]

If they can really hit on their FA/draft moves... they could probably be contenders. It won't be easy, nor is it likely. But possible.


I don't think the defense is as far away as we think it is, as long as Sutton is gone. Think we're so used to a world where we expect our D to carry us. This is a new era where we just need the D to be good.

Cut Hali, DJ, Parker. That gives us $32M + $6M if we cut Bailey. LBs and Safeties aren't hard to find. Prioritize a pass rusher and we're solid enough. A quality DT (or NT, depending on our defensive front) and extra CBs are icing on the cake. But before we spend a dime, sure as shit hope we build toward a scheme of the future, not toward band-aiding Sutton who I can't imagine makes it past 2018

[ThaVirus]

I don't think the defense is as far away as we think it is, as long as Sutton is gone. Think we're so used to a world where we expect our D to carry us. This is a new era where we just need the D to be good.

Cut Hali, DJ, Parker. That gives us $32M + $6M if we cut Bailey. LBs and Safeties aren't hard to find. Prioritize a pass rusher and we're solid enough. A quality DT (or NT, depending on our defensive front) and extra CBs are icing on the cake. But before we spend a dime, sure as shit hope we build toward a scheme of the future, not toward band-aiding Sutton who I can't imagine makes it past 2018

We have to keep Parker, bro. What the hell are you thinking?

[Easy 6]

It's gonna be hard to patch every hole on defense of course, but....

The Chiefs are in a unique position that should allow them to really hone in on defenders during the draft and FA. That should make it easier on them.

Yup, the bare bones essential on offense is LG

Of course we'd like an upgraded #2 tight end, and better receivers, but ultimately... Mahomes can do work with what we already have, just draft/spend like hell on this defense

[Titty Meat]

Yes, 26 year old All Pro from the Panthers Andrew Nowell.

27 year old Titans guard Quinton Spain.

I’d go all in on Nowell. An interior with Nowell/Fulton/LDT would be bad ass.

No more fail on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1.

I’m tired of that shit.

Dumbass play calling doesn't help. IE an option play on 3rd and 1

[pugsnotdrugs19]

It's clear that both of our lines need work getting nastier at the LOS. Norwell might be a great idea if it'll make that unit really good, and there's a good chance that he would.

Sign him, get a couple other guys and load up on D for the draft.

[chiefzilla1501]

Dumbass play calling doesn't help. IE an option play on 3rd and 1

I agree. But in that case, it looked like a dumbass audible.

[DaneMcCloud]

Dumbass play calling doesn't help. IE an option play on 3rd and 1

The Chiefs have been absolutely terrible in the Red Zone, on 4th & 1 and 3rd & 1 for years.

They need a fucking REAL left guard, not old fucks or late rounders.

A real, bonafide, motherfucking stud left guard.

[chiefzilla1501]

We have to keep Parker, bro. What the hell are you thinking?

At $7M, Parker is expendable. Not like we're sitting on a mountain of money. We need to get tougher and more physical up-front, and get a better pass rush. We're talking about a pretty average player who plays a position of low positional value when it comes to the draft.

[DaneMcCloud]

At $7M, Parker is expendable.

No, he's not.

JFC.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

This team isn't near deep enough at safety to consider cutting Parker right now.

[Hoover]

The Chiefs have been absolutely terrible in the Red Zone, on 4th & 1 and 3rd & 1 for years.

They need a fucking REAL left guard, not old fucks or late rounders.

A real, bonafide, motherfucking stud left guard.
I'm as big of an Oline homer that there is and yet guard hasn't really been on my radar. Perhaps its because we have Ehinger, Witzmann, and even Cam Erving. But I think you are absolutley right, not only does this team improve drastically with a legit FA guard, but you build some decent depth while yours at it.

I think the real question is what then do you do at center? Let Fulton walk? With Morse heading in to his final year? That's a little risky.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm as big of an Oline homer that there is and yet guard hasn't really been on my radar. Perhaps its because we have Ehinger, Witzmann, and even Cam Erving. But I think you are absolutley right, not only does this team improve drastically with a legit FA guard, but you build some decent depth while yours at it.

I think the real question is what then do you do at center? Let Fulton walk? With Morse heading in to his final year? That's a little risky.

Sign Andrew Norwell to be your starting left guard for the next 5 years, re-sign Fulton to a 4 year deal and let Morse play through his contract.

Morse isn't a mauler and he's had issues staying healthy. I'd rather see Fulton the starter and Morse as the Interior Swing guy in 2018.

Fulton is as dependable as it gets and that means a lot.

[Hoover]

Sign Andrew Norwell to be your starting left guard for the next 5 years, re-sign Fulton to a 4 year deal and let Morse play through his contract.

Morse isn't a mauler and he's had issues staying healthy. I'd rather see Fulton the starter and Morse as the Interior Swing guy in 2018.

Fulton is as dependable as it gets and that means a lot.
I think thats right. Not sexy, some fans will bitch, but that's exactly what you do with a young QB and NFL rushing leader. Hopefully Fulton is a deal.

[ThaVirus]

At $7M, Parker is expendable. Not like we're sitting on a mountain of money. We need to get tougher and more physical up-front, and get a better pass rush. We're talking about a pretty average player who plays a position of low positional value when it comes to the draft.

We cut Parker then Sorenson replaces him and Murray replaces Sorenson. One of the safeties goes down then we've got..... McQuay? Reaser? playing 80+% of snaps.

Terrible. We free up enough space by trading Alex and cutting DJ and Hali. We just can't afford to replace our third best DB right now.

[RunKC]

Great article that I agree with 100%

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/platform/amp/2018/1/16/16893170/the-chiefs-offseason-cuts-and-trades-that-can-lead-to-more-cap-space?utm_campaign=arrowheadpride&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

[The Franchise]

Great article that I agree with 100%

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/platform/amp/2018/1/16/16893170/the-chiefs-offseason-cuts-and-trades-that-can-lead-to-more-cap-space?utm_campaign=arrowheadpride&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

If you don't create a new thread for this.....then I will.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I really don't know how I feel about keeping Revis for what will be somewhere around a $10M cap hit. He's not worth that, and this defense needs more corners who are willing tacklers IMO, which we know he isn't.

Other than that the article was pretty solid.

[The Franchise]

I really don't know how I feel about keeping Revis for what will be somewhere around a $10M cap hit. He's not worth that, and this defense needs more corners who are willing tacklers IMO, which we know he isn't.

Other than that the article was pretty solid.

If you cut Revis, then you pretty much HAVE to go out and get a FA corner to replace him.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

If you cut Revis, then you pretty much HAVE to go out and get a FA corner to replace him.

Yes, but with Revis set to cost somewhere around $10M to the 2018 cap once his salary becomes guaranteed, virtually any corners they sign will be cheaper for the 2018 season.

I'd just go grab someone else that can be relied on for 3-4 years, and draft one too.

[RunKC]

If you don't create a new thread for this.....then I will.

I can’t embed from my phone so go ahead brotha

[Easy 6]

Nothing to adamantly disagree with in that AP article really

I'd like to see both Bailey and Revis take a shave and stick around, have waffled on both lately but just hate to create more glaring holes that will need to be filled... keeping both at a lower price that helps Veach shop around for push/depth at those spots would be ideal

Its not like Bailey is a total bum, and I'm willing to forgive Revis on some of his tackling 'attempts'... keeping Ford in his contract year also seems like a no-brainer

[tyton75]

2Mil in cap relief for Demetrius Harris.. get gone.

[DaneMcCloud]

2Mil in cap relief for Demetrius Harris.. get gone.

And replace him with whom?

The Chiefs had tried replacing him with O'Shaugnessy, Travis, Escobar and Orson Charles and unfortunately, they are all worse than Harris.

[The Franchise]

And replace him with whom?

The Chiefs had tried replacing him with O'Shaugnessy, Travis, Escobar and Orson Charles and unfortunately, they are all worse than Harris.

I think he'll actually be better with Mahomes at QB.

[raybec 4]

And replace him with whom?

The Chiefs had tried replacing him with O'Shaugnessy, Travis, Escobar and Orson Charles and unfortunately, they are all worse than Harris.

If Orson Charles makes 1 goddamned catch on his hip the Chiefs beat Tennessee. Harris drops 30% of his targets but he seems to be getting better, he needs to stay unless there's an obvious upgrade and not some developmental bum.

[DaneMcCloud]

I think he'll actually be better with Mahomes at QB.

We can only hope.

The Chiefs can't afford to spend a quality draft pick on the tight end position and free agency doesn't offer much in the way of an affordable yet productive tight end.

Maybe Jace Amaro will learn how to stay healthy...

[NJChiefsFan]

I think he'll actually be better with Mahomes at QB.

He might get more looks like the time that Alex didn't throw him the ball in the Titans game in the 3rd quarter after the turnover. However in the end Harris' biggest issue is drops and that's not on Alex.