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Rain Man
01-17-2018, 07:51 PM
It's time for Hammerin' Dan's grade card. How do your think our hybrid SS/LB/Enforcer did this year?

Dan played in 15 games this year with 14 starts. He recorded 66 tackles and 22 assists, had 6 passes defensed, and 1 interception for 3 yards. He recovered 1 fumble and recorded 1.5 sacks.

DaneMcCloud
01-17-2018, 07:52 PM
D-

He was given a $16 million dollar contract last offseason and played like a JAG earning Vet Minimum.

Deberg_1990
01-17-2018, 07:52 PM
Ehhh. We can do better

Bowser
01-17-2018, 07:57 PM
Didn't he intercept a halfback pass? That's pretty cool, and literally my one solid recollection of Sorensen this year. I think he might have had a sack on a prime time game, too.

D

Rain Man
01-17-2018, 08:06 PM
I think Dan played well this season. He led the team in tackles by a country mile, and had to replace Eric Berry on a moment's notice. I think he's still ascending as a player, too. I'm not sure what his role will be when Eric Berry comes back (it's an even-numbered year, so we'll have Berry this season), but I think there's a role for him in the defense.

It seems like he could be a good center fielder at safety. He's got great speed to close in on balls. I wonder if he could challenge Parker for the deep safety spot.

The Franchise
01-17-2018, 08:08 PM
He’s a 4th safety getting paid like a lower end starter. Can’t wait until we’re rid of him and his bullshit contract.

Rain Man
01-17-2018, 08:11 PM
I should point out too that Dan's got some fight in him. On a good defense, you need guys who aren't afraid to land an occasional elbow or forearm. Dan was our only guy who did that.

NJChiefsFan
01-17-2018, 08:46 PM
I think the role we had planned for him before Berry got hurt would have yielded him a more productive season. He can't tackle, or at least was horrible at it the second half of the season.

In the role he should have had I think he would have been ok. The major issue that would will remain even when Berry comes back is the contract. He certainly didn't earn that this year and with a team that has cap and defensive issues, it's not good timing.

Chiefnj2
01-17-2018, 09:16 PM
Good: To become a starter when you are an undrafted free agent is something to be proud of. At times he was one of the few defenders to play with a nasty attitude. His pass defense isn't that bad

Bad: Constantly playing him in the box expecting him to defend the run like a MLB was idiotic. He's not built to do it. Tough to replace Berry.

Best fit: Reliable backup in a better scheme.

ThaVirus
01-17-2018, 09:36 PM
Listen, guys: he sucks. He’s the worst tackler on a team littered with shit tacklers, he gets bullied in the box, commits more personal fouls than the rest of our defense combined and is constantly out of position in man coverage. He doesn’t do anything particularly well, except, hilariously, stay healthy, and he gets paid too damned much.

He’d be best as the fourth safety on the team making no more than $1.5 per year.

KChiefs1
01-17-2018, 10:21 PM
Overpaid.

KChiefs1
01-17-2018, 10:27 PM
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TimBone
01-17-2018, 10:36 PM
I like his nastiness. I do not like how much he costs for his play.

TimBone
01-17-2018, 10:43 PM
Listen, guys: he sucks. He’s the worst tackler on a team littered with shit tacklers, he gets bullied in the box, commits more personal fouls than the rest of our defense combined and is constantly out of position in man coverage. He doesn’t do anything particularly well, except, hilariously, stay healthy, and he gets paid too damned much.

He’d be best as the fourth safety on the team making no more than $1.5 per year.Fuck dat white boy!

lcarus
01-17-2018, 10:47 PM
D, slightly worse, much smaller, stable, Pibb, history

oldman
01-17-2018, 11:48 PM
I gave him a C+. The guy isn't Berry but a lot of folks expected the same production. He's not an ILB either, but idiot Sutton kept playing him like one. The guy just always seems to be around the ball. He's one of the few that plays balls to the wall on every play.
As I read his contract details, if he does everything, he gets $4.8M next year. If we cut him, we carry $3M dead money. With his experience, it looks to me that $1.8M is pretty cheap insurance.

MMXcalibur
01-18-2018, 12:36 AM
We can do better, but I expect him on the team next season just because there are more worrisome areas to consider and Berry’s return will mask a lot of Sorensen’s shit.

carcosa
01-18-2018, 12:41 AM
He's very bad

BlackHelicopters
01-18-2018, 05:23 AM
He gone. We have two many white guys.

Easy 6
01-18-2018, 10:10 AM
Not as bad as some make him out to be
Not good enough to justify his current contract

Obviously not someone who should be starting, so rework his contract to reflect his backup status and keep him around in a depth/role player status

C+

HC_Chief
01-18-2018, 10:58 AM
Good: To become a starter when you are an undrafted free agent is something to be proud of. At times he was one of the few defenders to play with a nasty attitude. His pass defense isn't that bad

Bad: Constantly playing him in the box expecting him to defend the run like a MLB was idiotic. He's not built to do it. Tough to replace Berry.

Best fit: Reliable backup in a better scheme.

This. Thinking he could just plug in to replace Berry was idiotic, to put it mildly. Taking several games to figure out that it was an idiotic plan was retarded. DC should lose his goddamn job over that shit, alone.

Could be a solid replacement for Parker (useless). Berry + Sorenson is a nasty safety combo.

DEFINITELY renegotiate contract.

gblowfish
01-18-2018, 11:04 AM
His wives like him.

loochy
01-18-2018, 11:17 AM
I like him AS A CHEAP BACKUP
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DaneMcCloud
01-18-2018, 12:18 PM
I like him AS A CHEAP BACKUP
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He'd be fine as a 1 Down player and Special Teamer but he was forced to play 3 downs this season and blech.

Dorsey (as usual) overpaid him as well. The guy is worth $2 million per, tops, not $16 million over 4 years.

$3 million in Dead Money in order to cut him, too.

Thanks again, Dorsey!

Hammock Parties
01-18-2018, 12:23 PM
A rich man's Sabby Pissandshitty.

I gave him a D because he has a tiny of bit of value vulturing picks in a defense where pressure and Eric Berry/Marcus Peters force a ton of balls into his zone.

I don't want him anywhere near the roster next season but Bob seems to like him.

NJChiefsFan
01-18-2018, 08:57 PM
I like his nastiness. I do not like how much he costs for his play.

Can a player that misses so many tackles be nasty?

oldman
01-19-2018, 08:57 AM
I think the missed tackles argument is overblown. A lot of those were running plays when he was a MLB. 6'2", 208 doesn't pack the same wallop as 6'3', 242 or 6'2", 252.

ThaVirus
01-19-2018, 09:20 AM
Does it matter what position you're playing? I don't give a shit if you're in the slot or with your hand in the dirt, a missed tackle is a missed tackle.

oldman
01-19-2018, 09:32 AM
Missed or didn't bring down? There's a difference in hitting a 225lb RB and a 185lb WR when you're 208. The guy isn't a MLB, that's why you have someone in the 235-250lb range playing MLB. What I saw was a lot of him not being able to bring down a RB without help. Yes, that's "missed tackle", but there's a difference.

ThaVirus
01-19-2018, 09:42 AM
Missed or didn't bring down? There's a difference in hitting a 225lb RB and a 185lb WR when you're 208. The guy isn't a MLB, that's why you have someone in the 235-250lb range playing MLB. What I saw was a lot of him not being able to bring down a RB without help. Yes, that's "missed tackle", but there's a difference.

What I saw was a bunch of shitty arm tackles and lousy angles.

A safety should be able to reliably tackle any offensive position without help.

Easy 6
01-19-2018, 09:49 AM
Sorensen was the leading tackler by a wide margin, so the idea he sucks at that doesnt wash... at all

ThaVirus
01-19-2018, 10:17 AM
Sorensen was the leading tackler by a wide margin, so the idea he sucks at that doesnt wash... at all


Means nothing.

Mitchell, Sorenson, Parker, Nelson and Marcus fucking Peters were all top 10 in tackles. Peters was actually third on the team in solo tackles.

Easy 6
01-19-2018, 10:40 AM
Means nothing.

Mitchell, Sorenson, Parker, Nelson and Marcus ****ing Peters were all top 10 in tackles. Peters was actually third on the team in solo tackles.

You never have been reasonable about the guy, so why start now

Grim
01-19-2018, 11:12 AM
Means nothing.

Mitchell, Sorenson, Parker, Nelson and Marcus ****ing Peters were all top 10 in tackles. Peters was actually third on the team in solo tackles.

The team was ranked 25th in the league in stopping the run.
That fact, coupled with the fact that our secondary leads the team in tackles tells me that we have a TERRIBLE front 7.
It does mean something, IMO.

ThaVirus
01-19-2018, 11:17 AM
You never have been reasonable about the guy, so why start now


I’m being reasonable when I say he sucks.

Sorenson led the team in solo tackles. Parker was second and Peters third. Those three are legitimately our three worst and/or most disinterested tacklers. The stats there don’t do much to help ol’ Danny.

ThaVirus
01-19-2018, 11:35 AM
The team was ranked 25th in the league in stopping the run.

That fact, coupled with the fact that our secondary leads the team in tackles tells me that we have a TERRIBLE front 7.

It does mean something, IMO.


Not sure that means much either.

Eagles and Vikings were #1 and #2 against the run this season. Vikings had Harrison Smith, Sendejo, Waynes and Newman in the top ten. Eagles had Malcolm Jenkins, Darby, Mills, McLeod, Robinson and Corey Graham in the top ten. All defensive backs.

Rain Man
01-19-2018, 11:39 AM
Dan missed the C grade slightly, and people want to see a lot less of him going forward. Maybe part of that is that less time for him means that Berry is back?

I'm surprised that he's seen as net descending. I view him as still ascending.


1.90 Grade (4.0 point scale)
-0.48 Performance Relative to Expectations (+ = Positive Surprise, - = Negative Surprise)
-1.70 Desired Future Role (+ is larger role, - is smaller role)
-0.34 Ascending/Descending (+ is ascending, - is descending)
6.03 Trade Value (Round)

NJChiefsFan
01-19-2018, 08:44 PM
I think the missed tackles argument is overblown. A lot of those were running plays when he was a MLB. 6'2", 208 doesn't pack the same wallop as 6'3', 242 or 6'2", 252.

He was getting pushed around as the LB role. I'm talking about the past quarter of the season when he was back in the safety role and was just missing tackles left and right.