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Quesadilla Joe
01-24-2018, 05:11 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I talked to Andy Reid today, and yes folks, the Chiefs are retaining defensive coordinator Bob Sutton: <a href="https://t.co/2DJyiVUO4W">https://t.co/2DJyiVUO4W</a></p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/956303095344123909?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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After the Chiefs ended the 2017 season with another frustrating playoff loss — this time a 22-21 home defeat at the hands of the Tennessee Titans in the Wild Card Round — there was no shortage of potential goats.

One of the most prominent, at least in the eyes of some, was defensive coordinator Bob Sutton, whose defense blew an 18-point second half lead against the Titans and has surrendered an average of 186 rushing yards in the Chiefs’ last two playoff games, both losses.

But on Wednesday at the Senior Bowl, Chiefs coach Andy Reid said he plans to keep Sutton in his role for the 2018 season.

“There’s nothing going on there,” Reid said, when asked directly if Sutton will return as defensive coordinator. “I know everybody has their opinion on everything, just like they did when they wanted me to bench Alex. That turned out pretty good.

“So (replacing Sutton) is not where I’m at or have ever been. I don’t listen to any of that. I do what I think is right for the Kansas City Chiefs.”

Since Sutton arrived in Kansas City with Reid in 2013, the Chiefs have ranked 24th, seventh, seventh, 24th and 28th in total defense. In 2017, they also ranked 29th in pass defense and 25th in rushing defense.

However, though lots of key injuries affected the production on that side of the ball this season (including ones to team leader Eric Berry and 2016 sack- and pressure-leader Dee Ford), and Reid has long made a habit of attributing the team’s shortcomings to the whole, rather than one individual.

The Franchise
01-24-2018, 05:11 PM
Knew that was coming.

Shag
01-24-2018, 05:11 PM
Shocker. Because Chiefs.

Ragged Robin
01-24-2018, 05:12 PM
#TheresAlwaysNextSeason

Baby Lee
01-24-2018, 05:12 PM
ROFL ROFL

BigBeauford
01-24-2018, 05:13 PM
Sutton isnt without fault, but a lot of their issues stemmed from age, lack of effort, and lack of talent this season.

The Franchise
01-24-2018, 05:13 PM
“There’s nothing going on there,” Reid said, when asked directly if Sutton will return as defensive coordinator. “I know everybody has their opinion on everything, just like they did when they wanted me to bench Alex. That turned out pretty good.

Turned out pretty good? As in a first round home playoff loss? That good?

Jerm
01-24-2018, 05:14 PM
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ChiefsCountry
01-24-2018, 05:14 PM
Need more talent that is problem. And not having Alex Smith where you have a historic great defense to win will help.

BigBeauford
01-24-2018, 05:14 PM
Turned out pretty good? As in a first round home playoff loss? That good?

That quote has me more worried than the sutton issue. That dumb fuck better not be bringing back Smith.

PAChiefsGuy
01-24-2018, 05:16 PM
Smart move. The defenses problem is talent not scheme.

Baby Lee
01-24-2018, 05:16 PM
This is the modern face of megalomania

thegame214
01-24-2018, 05:17 PM
"That turned out good..." lmao dear god give me a fucking break

Red Dawg
01-24-2018, 05:18 PM
Effing bullshit.

cmh6476
01-24-2018, 05:18 PM
Print em

Hammock Parties
01-24-2018, 05:18 PM
“I know everybody has their opinion on everything, just like they did when they wanted me to bench Alex. That turned out pretty good.


Uh...I'm suddenly uneasy.

The Franchise
01-24-2018, 05:20 PM
Uh...I'm suddenly uneasy.

If Alex is back.....I'm done for that season. Someone let me know when Mahomes is the starter because I won't be watching until he is.

notorious
01-24-2018, 05:22 PM
Oh Jesus.

Sutton and Alex will be back.

siberian khatru
01-24-2018, 05:23 PM
Andy Reid to Chiefs fans: "Fuck you":

“I know everybody has their opinion on everything, just like they did when they wanted me to bench Alex (Smith). That turned out pretty good."


You stupid fat motherfucker, you fucking lost ANOTHER home playoff game, and blew ANOTHER huge second-half lead in the postseason.

What the fuck has turned out "pretty good" for your sorry fucking ass the last five fucking years?

I'm gonna fucking stroke out.

The Franchise
01-24-2018, 05:24 PM
It would be just like the Chiefs to draft a rookie QB for the first time in over 30 years and then completely waste the first two years of his rookie deal.

DaneMcCloud
01-24-2018, 05:25 PM
Big shock from Big Red.

This team will never sniff a Super Bowl under leadership.

MMXcalibur
01-24-2018, 05:26 PM
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Rain Man
01-24-2018, 05:26 PM
Andy Reid to Chiefs fans: "**** you":



You stupid fat mother****er, you ****ing lost ANOTHER home playoff game, and blew ANOTHER huge second-half lead in the postseason.

What the **** has turned out "pretty good" for your sorry ****ing ass the last five ****ing years?

I'm gonna ****ing stroke out.

Let's play the "Spike Siberian Khatru's Blood Pressure" game.

Hey, Siberian, can you believe that Hunt only got 11 carries in the whole game after the Chiefs had a three score lead? Amazing, huh?

Mizzou_8541
01-24-2018, 05:28 PM
Turned out pretty good? As in a first round home playoff loss? That good?

Yeah, that’s absolutely infuriating.

Baby Lee
01-24-2018, 05:28 PM
If Alex is back.....I'm done for that season. Someone let me know when Mahomes is the starter because I won't be watching until he is.

Define done.

The Franchise
01-24-2018, 05:28 PM
Can't wait for more:

- Peters being stuck on one side instead of shadowing the #1 WR.
- Houston being dropped into coverage instead of rushing the passer.
- Bend but don't break bullshit.

CAN'T. FUCKING. WAIT.

Kiimosabi
01-24-2018, 05:28 PM
I'm not sure doubling down is what he needs to do right now.

ClevelandBronco
01-24-2018, 05:28 PM
Y'all had better hope that's a typo and that they're retraining him, not retaining him.

Superturtle
01-24-2018, 05:28 PM
Cool. Maybe he'll die of old age and fat fuck will have to make a move anyway.

The Franchise
01-24-2018, 05:29 PM
Define done.

Done: Meaning I won't watch a fucking game that Alex is starting. Thought I made that pretty clear.

siberian khatru
01-24-2018, 05:29 PM
Let's play the "Spike Siberian Khatru's Blood Pressure" game.

Hey, Siberian, can you believe that Hunt only got 11 carries in the whole game after the Chiefs had a three score lead? Amazing, huh?

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Kiimosabi
01-24-2018, 05:29 PM
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notorious
01-24-2018, 05:30 PM
This is a fucking tragedy.


God Damnit. Fuck you Clark. Fuck you Andy.

Easy 6
01-24-2018, 05:30 PM
Glad I had already resigned myself to this truth

But as all of you are pointing out, the tone and content of his words is really pissing me off... particularly the content of his words about how it all 'turned out'

I'll eventually get over Sutton, but if Smith comes back I'll be the first to donate for another round of flying banners

BlackHelicopters
01-24-2018, 05:30 PM
When is enough, enough? 48 fucking years...........

notorious
01-24-2018, 05:31 PM
I'll eventually get over Sutton, but if Smith comes back I'll be the first to donate for another round of flying banners

I can't believe I am saying this.....but yeah, it will be time.....

The Franchise
01-24-2018, 05:31 PM
Glad I had already resigned myself to this truth

But as all of you are pointing out, the tone and content of his words is really pissing me off... particularly the content of his words about how it all 'turned out'

I'll eventually get over Sutton, but if Smith comes back I'll be the first to donate for another round of flying banners

5 year extension or not......

That fat fuck gets two years if Mahomes starts. If Smith is back next year....then you can just fire his fat ass.

007
01-24-2018, 05:32 PM
What a dumbass. I pretty much expect to see Alex under center again now. Guess I won't be going to any more games until they are both gone. Andy will never win a championship.

dirk digler
01-24-2018, 05:35 PM
Turned out pretty good? As in a first round home playoff loss? That good?

Alex is coming back. You watch.

RealSNR
01-24-2018, 05:36 PM
Glad I had already resigned myself to this truth

But as all of you are pointing out, the tone and content of his words is really pissing me off... particularly the content of his words about how it all 'turned out'

I'll eventually get over Sutton, but if Smith comes back I'll be the first to donate for another round of flying banners

Same.

Andy Reid will force me to root for injury to Alex.

Just as Pioli did with Cassel.

notorious
01-24-2018, 05:37 PM
ANDY, YOU ARE A STUPID, STUBBORN FUCK!!!!

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Baby Lee
01-24-2018, 05:38 PM
Done: Meaning I won't watch a fucking game that Alex is starting. Thought I made that pretty clear.

You're on a Chiefs fan BB. Your TV viewing habits is a fairly narrow conception of 'done,' so far as the Chiefs are concerned.

Superturtle
01-24-2018, 05:39 PM
Its not even the fact that he's retaining him, its the way he answered that question and refused to even acknowledge that there was a problem.

saphojunkie
01-24-2018, 05:39 PM
I won't watch another game that Alex Smith starts. Not even the super bowl. there's no point.

BlackHelicopters
01-24-2018, 05:39 PM
CNN reported this, right? Fake news, right?

srvy
01-24-2018, 05:40 PM
Probably there target turned them down.

mac459
01-24-2018, 05:40 PM
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CoMoChief
01-24-2018, 05:41 PM
If the Chiefs keep Alex Smith, that will be the final nail in the coffin for me being a Chiefs fan.

ClevelandBronco
01-24-2018, 05:41 PM
I won't watch another game that Alex Smith starts. Not even the super bowl. there's no point.

I don't even know how to begin …

DaFace
01-24-2018, 05:41 PM
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GoChargers
01-24-2018, 05:42 PM
Reid is the new Marty.

siberian khatru
01-24-2018, 05:43 PM
Its not even the fact that he's retaining him, its the way he answered that question and refused to even acknowledge that there was a problem.

In the last five years he's got TWO of the WORST playoff collapses in NFL HISTORY, and he acts like fans are overreacting.

Superturtle
01-24-2018, 05:43 PM
Reid is the new Marty.
Yep. Looks like we skipped the honeymoon phase the Eagles got when they first hired him. Just a bunch of embarrassing choke jobs with the occasional wild card win against a weak as fuck #4 seed.

Kiimosabi
01-24-2018, 05:44 PM
I can't imagine how depressed I'd be if we didn't have Mahomes.

notorious
01-24-2018, 05:45 PM
I can't imagine how depressed I'd be if we didn't have Mahomes.

We'll see how depressed you are when he's riding the bench next year.

Superturtle
01-24-2018, 05:46 PM
I can't imagine how depressed I'd be if we didn't have Mahomes.
Even that isn't enough right now. Not until Smith is gone will I have any optimism for the current regime.

Easy 6
01-24-2018, 05:46 PM
Its not even the fact that he's retaining him, its the way he answered that question and refused to even acknowledge that there was a problem.

Very much THIS, it was extremely dismissive and came with no explanation whatsoever

Rain Man
01-24-2018, 05:47 PM
I can't imagine how depressed I'd be if we didn't have Mahomes.

Mahomes is draped in velvet and jewels. Mahomes is our vintage Honus Wagner card still in the package. Mahomes is the pony express rider carrying our happiness to Arrowhead in a leather pouch.

dirk digler
01-24-2018, 05:47 PM
“That (continuity) is why we’ve been successful the last five years,” Reid said. “We just need to take it up a couple notches.”

What success fat ass?

Baby Lee
01-24-2018, 05:48 PM
In the last five years he's got TWO of the WORST playoff collapses in NFL HISTORY, and he acts like fans are overreacting.

To be fair, it appears that the fans heard him say 'definitely Sutton, never a question' and their response is 'well that's fine. But OMFG, maybe Alex too??!!!'

So they're not exactly clothed in glory either.

Kiimosabi
01-24-2018, 05:49 PM
Well when we had Cassel it was worse because they kept passing over QBs like Wilson and Rodgers because they didn't want to hurt his confidence or whatever.

I'm just glad we have Mahomes the rest... is replaceable.

007
01-24-2018, 05:49 PM
What success fat ass?Chiefs only care about regular season wins and butts in the seats.

GoChargers
01-24-2018, 05:49 PM
We'll see how depressed you are when he's riding the bench next year.

Sure looks like Alex/Mahomes is going to be Andy's version of Brees/Rivers. He won't play Mahomes unless he has no other choice.

notorious
01-24-2018, 05:49 PM
All of this dumb****ery is occurring while his old team is on the cusp of their 1st Superbowl title.

ClevelandBronco
01-24-2018, 05:50 PM
Sure looks like Alex/Mahomes is going to be Andy's version of Brees/Rivers. He won't play Mahomes unless he has no other choice.

Better rethink that. Brees would have been the one to keep.

EPodolak
01-24-2018, 05:50 PM
Because change is bad and scary.

siberian khatru
01-24-2018, 05:53 PM
To be fair, it appears that the fans heard him say 'definitely Sutton, never a question' and their response is 'OMFG, maybe Alex too!!!'

So they're not exactly clothed in glory either.

First off, he inserted Smith into that. That didn't come out of the blue.

But I'm focusing on Sutton. It's not an overreaction to want the defensive coordinator held accountable for two of the worst playoff collapses in history.

jaa1025
01-24-2018, 05:53 PM
Gross. Once he made it the week following the Titans collapse he wasn't going anywhere. Yes, his defense has big talent issues and some bad luck with losing EB but it doesn't excuse his horrific defense.

TambaBerry
01-24-2018, 05:54 PM
Turned out pretty good? As in a first round home playoff loss? That good?

That quote if I was Clark Hunt would make me fire Reid right now. That is absolutely disgusting that he is ok with how the results turned out.

CaliforniaChief
01-24-2018, 05:56 PM
His quote about things turning out pretty good demonstrates that we care a whole lot more about this team than the team itself does.

Silly me. I thought there would be some serious soul searching after that debacle.

Fire up the plane.

Reerun_KC
01-24-2018, 05:56 PM
Reid is the new Marty.



Anyone who can breath oxygen knew this when he was signed as the HC.

Amazing to see his ballwashers turn on him.

Baby Lee
01-24-2018, 05:57 PM
First off, he inserted Smith into that. That didn't come out of the blue.

But I'm focusing on Sutton. It's not an overreaction to want the defensive coordinator held accountable for two of the worst playoff collapses in history.

I too am focusing on Sutton, the certainty of retaining Sutton is ALREADY even worse news than the still long shot possibility that Alex is drawing 17M off our cap in a few months. But the comments thus far seem to take a different tact.

I don't know, maybe when the THOUSANDS of reasonable posters I'm told I have a habit of marginalizing finally weigh in.

Bewbies
01-24-2018, 05:58 PM
He's right. If he had benched Smith we wouldn't have been able to watch an epic playoff debacle at home in the playoffs.

Turned out great.

Superturtle
01-24-2018, 06:01 PM
Fuck the airplanes. If Smith is still on the roster and starting next season he needs a good old fashioned hobbling.

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JakeF
01-24-2018, 06:04 PM
Probably there target turned them down. The constant excuses and rationalization are just crazy. They didn't have a target, Reid never really considered firing Sutton. All this firing talk was just in the fan's head.

Andy Reid was more or less fine with Alex Smith as well. If we start Smith next year then that pretty much confirms that it was Dorsey who drafted Mahomes. Andy Reid would have been fine with sticking with Smith and drafting another position.

GoChargers
01-24-2018, 06:05 PM
Better rethink that. Brees would have been the one to keep.

Brees wasn't the Brees we know today when he was on the Chargers, and it was very questionable whether he would ever play again when he injured his shoulder.

bigjosh
01-24-2018, 06:07 PM
I figured they wouldn't move on from Sutton. They need to make personnel changes in order to get the defense right. John dorsey added zero defensive playmakers aside from Marcus Peters in his 4+ years handling personnel. I mean there are still defensive players on the roster making 10m that Carl drafted for fucks sake.

That being said, I am not very happy that fat boy interjected Alex Smith into the conversation. "That turned out alright" is a horrible sentiment considering 11 became the first chiefs QB in franchise history to lose two playoff games at Arrowhead. I will not truly worry about that statement until the league year opens. If 11 is still on the roster in the weeks leading up to the draft then I may start to abandon all hope in this coaching staff.

I'm okay with old man Sutton though.

Superturtle
01-24-2018, 06:08 PM
The constant excuses and rationalization are just crazy. They didn't have a target, Reid never really considered firing Sutton. All this firing talk was just in the fan's head.

Andy Reid was more or less fine with Alex Smith as well. If we start Smith next year then that pretty much confirms that it was Dorsey who drafted Mahomes. Andy Reid would have been fine with sticking with Smith and drafting another position.
I don't really believe that. We've had rumored interest in Manziel and Lynch in prior drafts. Reid has final say on this team, and I fully believe Mahomes was at least partly drafted due to Reid.

RunKC
01-24-2018, 06:10 PM
Can't wait for more:

- Peters being stuck on one side instead of shadowing the #1 WR.
- Houston being dropped into coverage instead of rushing the passer.
- Bend but don't break bullshit.

CAN'T. ****ING. WAIT.

Well we know Bob can have a good defense with talent. He proved it for 4 years here.

Veach is gonna go hard after defensive players in this Spring.

DaneMcCloud
01-24-2018, 06:10 PM
Brees wasn't the Brees we know today when he was on the Chargers, and it was very questionable whether he would ever play again when he injured his shoulder.

2002: 3,284 yards, 17/16
2004: 3,159 yards, 27/7
2005: 3,576 yard, 24/15

Brees was young and well on his way to becoming a Top 5 QB in the league when the Chargers chose to roll with Rivers.

And it's quite clear that the Chargers not only fucked up in their medical evaluation, they also fucked up because they failed to receive a single draft pick as compensation for a future Hall of Famer that won the Super Bowl just a few seasons after the Chargers let him walk.

Dumb decision all around.

ClevelandBronco
01-24-2018, 06:12 PM
Brees wasn't the Brees we know today when he was on the Chargers, and it was very questionable whether he would ever play again when he injured his shoulder.

Yes, I remember well the thinking that led to the Chargers’ poor choice.

Hog's Gone Fishin
01-24-2018, 06:12 PM
Sutton isnt without fault, but a lot of their issues stemmed from Jeff Tripplett this season.

Fixed. The sacks by DJ and sorenson were great calls by Sutton that should have won the game.

Sandy Vagina
01-24-2018, 06:13 PM
2002: 3,284 yards, 17/16
2004: 3,159 yards, 27/7
2005: 3,576 yard, 24/15

Brees was young and well on his way to becoming a Top 5 QB in the league when the Chargers chose to roll with Rivers.

And it's quite clear that the Chargers not only ****ed up in their medical evaluation, they also ****ed up because they failed to receive a single draft pick as compensation for a future Hall of Famer that won the Super Bowl just a few seasons after the Chargers let him walk.

Dumb decision all around.

The moment we watch as GoCharger's little heart breaks.

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chiefzilla1501
01-24-2018, 06:14 PM
So if we're done with the coaching changes, let's read into what Reid has done so far to fix our problems.

Defense, no coaching change - let's indirectly blame personnel. Offense - the only damn change we made was by strengthening our RBs coaching. Meanwhile we have a QBOTF and we lose 2 QB handlers and the only 2 guys on staff other than Reid to handle our QB are an Assistant QBs coach who was a former OL and a 30-year old quality control coach.

I'm picturing Walter sitting next to the dude shouting "Dude, are you ****ing this up?"

FlaChief58
01-24-2018, 06:14 PM
Of course they are :facepalm:

All In
01-24-2018, 06:14 PM
Oh well...it is what it is....good luck guys!

Hog's Gone Fishin
01-24-2018, 06:15 PM
Big shock from Big Red.

This team will never sniff a Super Bowl under leadership.

Jeff Tripplett retired. We have a REAL chance now.

KChiefs1
01-24-2018, 06:16 PM
If they don't trade Alex...I'm done.

ClevelandBronco
01-24-2018, 06:17 PM
Oh well...it is what it is....good luck guys!

:clap: I love this guy.

pugsnotdrugs19
01-24-2018, 06:17 PM
Well we know Bob can have a good defense with talent. He proved it for 4 years here.

Veach is gonna go hard after defensive players in this Spring.

We definitely have to bring in some real players this offseason on that side of the football. Between the injured guys and hopefully absolutely loading up on defenders via FA/draft, we might be able to have an above average-to-good defense again.

I was already prepared for this Sutton news. Whatever. All I can say is, if you're keeping his ass, then he needs to be told to change some things. Primarily the stuff Pest pointed out.

Easy 6
01-24-2018, 06:17 PM
Oh well...it is what it is....good luck guys!

Boy would I love to hear some inside info on Sutton, but its understood that you cant go blabbing like that

BlackHelicopters
01-24-2018, 06:17 PM
Trying to pick a new team. Thanks , dad.

Hog's Gone Fishin
01-24-2018, 06:19 PM
Alex is coming back. You watch.

Not only will he be back but he's going to get a 3 year extensio. I've told you all this before the season ever started.

But Triplett WON'T be back.

SuperBowl4
01-24-2018, 06:20 PM
Horrible. just horrible. Dear god

GoChargers
01-24-2018, 06:21 PM
2002: 3,284 yards, 17/16
2004: 3,159 yards, 27/7
2005: 3,576 yard, 24/15

Brees was young and well on his way to becoming a Top 5 QB in the league when the Chargers chose to roll with Rivers.

And it's quite clear that the Chargers not only fucked up in their medical evaluation, they also fucked up because they failed to receive a single draft pick as compensation for a future Hall of Famer that won the Super Bowl just a few seasons after the Chargers let him walk.

Dumb decision all around.
Hindsight is 20/20. Dr. James Andrews has referred to Brees' career arc as the most remarkable comeback he'd ever seen, and admitted that he thought Brees' injury was going to be career-ending. The Chargers and Saints were the only teams to offer him a contract, and the Saints were the only team that offered him a starting job - that's how much of a risk he was considered to be after that injury. To pretend otherwise is to revise history.

srvy
01-24-2018, 06:21 PM
Gross. Once he made it the week following the Titans collapse he wasn't going anywhere. Yes, his defense has big talent issues and some bad luck with losing EB but it doesn't excuse his horrific defense.

It is no excuse thats why I think he was out if they got their target. The timing of this is what makes me feel this. Not a peep till after the championship games. Someone was a target on one of those teams it didnt happen. Reporters surely asked before and got no answer but now they do:hmmm:

Hog's Gone Fishin
01-24-2018, 06:22 PM
I don't even know how to begin …

You could begin by trying to make him feel better by telling him to just think how it would feel to be a Bronco fan right now and Elway just got an extension.

Kiimosabi
01-24-2018, 06:22 PM
Remember when they fired Marty after going 14-2? Thanks for doing that, he was kicking our asses.

chiefzilla1501
01-24-2018, 06:25 PM
Well we know Bob can have a good defense with talent. He proved it for 4 years here.

Veach is gonna go hard after defensive players in this Spring.

The problem is he's not the same coach he was just 2 years ago. Sutton used to create a decent amount of pressure. He went from blitzing 28% in 2014 which is average to as of November this season blitzing 16% of the time. That's worst in the NFL.

What the **** happened?

We can only hope this is a short term brain fart. Because that is batshit crazy for a defense that didn't play well most of the year. If he's blitzing 16% of the time with new personnel we're still a bag of shit.

Red Dawg
01-24-2018, 06:26 PM
Fire up the plane if Smith stays. That would be beyond stupid to waste two years on the bench for a player you spent numerous picks on in the first round. Fans should walk away if they do that.

notorious
01-24-2018, 06:28 PM
Hindsight is 20/20. Dr. James Andrews has referred to Brees' career arc as the most remarkable comeback he'd ever seen, and admitted that he thought Brees' injury was going to be career-ending. The Chargers and Saints were the only teams to offer him a contract, and the Saints were the only team that offered him a starting job - that's how much of a risk he was considered to be after that injury. To pretend otherwise is to revise history.

Brees's injury changed NFL AND College football history. Saban wanted him, badly, but the Miami doctors wouldn't sign off on him.


Saban goes to Bama and dominates like no other college team in modern history. Miami is close to garbage, and New Orleans won a superbowl.

notorious
01-24-2018, 06:29 PM
Dane is right.


Ownership is the problem.


Fuck.

pugsnotdrugs19
01-24-2018, 06:31 PM
Smith isn't staying, guys. I get it, we're the Chiefs so never rule it out and all that... but yeah. He's a goner.

WhiteWhale
01-24-2018, 06:32 PM
*sigh* Andy has proven to be exactly the guy I thought he was.

He's good enough to take you to the prom, but always shows up in his skid marked underwear.

Hog's Gone Fishin
01-24-2018, 06:32 PM
Fire up the plane if Smith stays. That would be beyond stupid to waste two years on the bench for a player you spent numerous picks on in the first round. Fans should walk away if they do that.

You people are dumbasses. You want the QB with the Highest Rating in the NFL gone. JUST STUPID!

Discuss Thrower
01-24-2018, 06:32 PM
Smith isn't staying, guys. I get it, we're the Chiefs so never rule it out and all that... but yeah. He's a goner.

I'd state my confidence in his return at being about 60%.

Hammock Parties
01-24-2018, 06:32 PM
The problem is he's not the same coach he was just 2 years ago. Sutton used to create a decent amount of pressure. He went from blitzing 28% in 2014 which is average to as of November this season blitzing 16% of the time. That's worst in the NFL.

What the **** happened?


Sean Smith left, Eric Berry got hurt, DJ got old.

You can't blitz with poor coverage defenders.

notorious
01-24-2018, 06:33 PM
Hog's Gone Trollin'


Keep it coming, buddy. ;)

TEX
01-24-2018, 06:33 PM
It is no excuse thats why I think he was out if they got their target. The timing of this is what makes me feel this. Not a peep till after the championship games. Someone was a target on one of those teams it didnt happen. Reporters surely asked before and got no answer but now they do:hmmm:

I kinda think so too. But then there's the whole " Reid Loyalty" thing which probably trumps it.

Hog's Gone Fishin
01-24-2018, 06:34 PM
Hog is right.


Tripplett was the problem.


****.

Fixed

chiefzilla1501
01-24-2018, 06:36 PM
Smith isn't staying, guys. I get it, we're the Chiefs so never rule it out and all that... but yeah. He's a goner.

The only silver lining, and I'm trying really hard here, is that this maybe signals the end for Smith. The Chiefs know they can't walk into next season status quo. So now we know they're not blaming the Defense. And from the sound of it, they know they need to beef up the D personnel, and they'll need that $17M to do it. But I'm desperately grasping at straws here.

JoeyChuckles
01-24-2018, 06:36 PM
Remember, Reid has to say a ton of good stuff about Alex and how we are keeping him to boost up his trade value.

As for Sutton, screw that.

Red Dawg
01-24-2018, 06:38 PM
Clark knows everyone is clamoring for Mahomes. He can't stay. It's bad business and it can't be defended when you trade a ton for a QB.

Hog's Gone Fishin
01-24-2018, 06:38 PM
Berry will be back . Rags is gonna be a stud. Ford wasted a spot and will be gone. Tamba gone. Kasssap will play. Our D will be better. we will draft Defense.

also we got that Dieter guy that will be on the roster next year that is the next coming of someone great that I can't think of right now. Sure handed receiver he is.

Mahomes will take Smith spot and Smith will be the #2 at some point. Life will be good.

chiefzilla1501
01-24-2018, 06:40 PM
Clark knows everyone is clamoring for Mahomes. He can't stay. It's bad business and it can't be defended when you trade a ton for a QB.

He also knows people are clamoring for Sutton's head. And despite what it looks like on CP, there are more people wanting that than those who want to trade Smith away.

bsroyals54
01-24-2018, 06:42 PM
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/l0fb.gif

MTG#10
01-24-2018, 06:44 PM
Im to the point now where I want Reid gone as much as I want Sutton and Alex gone. Fuck that fat piece of shit.

srvy
01-24-2018, 06:47 PM
The problem is he's not the same coach he was just 2 years ago. Sutton used to create a decent amount of pressure. He went from blitzing 28% in 2014 which is average to as of November this season blitzing 16% of the time. That's worst in the NFL.

What the **** happened?

We can only hope this is a short term brain fart. Because that is batshit crazy for a defense that didn't play well most of the year. If he's blitzing 16% of the time with new personnel we're still a bag of shit.

Justin Houstons knee and unwillingness to get stay in shape in off season when he wasnt rehabbing. Tamba got old his replacement cant stay healthy and his football only playing is just a way to fund his other more interesting endeavors it seems. Patchwork secondary no Berry and Frank Zombo.

SuperBowl4
01-24-2018, 06:47 PM
You people are dumbasses. You want the QB with the Highest Rating in the NFL gone. JUST STUPID!Watch the GIANTS game again. Alex Smith is not going to move the CHIEFS forward. The GIANTS game proves it without a doubt.

Chiefspants
01-24-2018, 06:50 PM
"Pretty good" has been exactly what's been wrong with this franchise since 1970.

Deberg_1990
01-24-2018, 06:53 PM
Greg Robinson and Gunther Cunningham approve!

chiefzilla1501
01-24-2018, 06:53 PM
Justin Houstons knee and unwillingness to get stay in shape in off season when he wasnt rehabbing. Tamba got old his replacement cant stay healthy and his football only playing is just a way to fund his other more interesting endeavors it seems. Patchwork secondary no Berry and Frank Zombo.

I don't know how much that explains being the lowest blitzing team in the league. I agree personnel is an issue. But I think our D carried us for years and this year it laid a turd. Either Sutton flat out doesn't trust the personnel and will revert back, or he actually thinks blitzing 16% of the time is acceptable.

Why Not?
01-24-2018, 06:53 PM
Only hope now is that Sutton does something to piss Andy off and Andy eats him. But like one of those big snakes in the wildlife documentaries, he can't swallow him all the way without choking. Then they're both gone. Profit.

saphojunkie
01-24-2018, 06:57 PM
It’s not the news, it’s the justification. Things did not work out pretty well. Your dumb fuck defense blew an 18 point lead at home and the QB you should have benched went fucking fetal for no damn reason.

Both of these dumb cunts cost ANOTHER RECORD BREAKING HOME PLAYOFF LOSS.

Deberg_1990
01-24-2018, 06:57 PM
But I think our D carried us for years and this year it laid a turd.

This D under Sutton always lays a turd when it matters the most. Whether thats giving up big runs, critical 3rd downs, key defensive stops, important catches, etc....

When the stakes are highest, always bet against Sutton.

chiefzilla1501
01-24-2018, 07:03 PM
This D under Sutton always lays a turd when it matters the most. Whether thats giving up big runs, critical 3rd downs, key defensive stops, important catches, etc....

When the stakes are highest, always bet against Sutton.

In previous years, pretty sure it was our D creating critical 4th Quarter turnovers time and time again. We were actually an excellent points D until this year. This year was a turd.

srvy
01-24-2018, 07:04 PM
I don't know how much that explains being the lowest blitzing team in the league. I agree personnel is an issue. But I think our D carried us for years and this year it laid a turd. Either Sutton flat out doesn't trust the personnel and will revert back, or he actually thinks blitzing 16% of the time is acceptable.

You pick your poison and I didnt even mention a disappointing Benny Logan and Allan (looks like tarzan plays like jane) Bailey. And dont forget Dorse for leaving with nooptions but to go with what we had and any cheap scrap heap signs to try to get something out of.

Maybe Reid runs out excuses if next year is same of worse. I honestly dont buy CHunt as being as patient as Dad.

BWillie
01-24-2018, 07:04 PM
In for the lulz

mcaj22
01-24-2018, 07:05 PM
this is what happens when you over pay turds, over pay veterans that can't play at a high level and backload contracts to guys who aren't as good as they were on the front in.

You have a lot of money spent and a combination of no talent.

Need a complete rebuild of the defense almost.

Randallflagg
01-24-2018, 07:08 PM
Reid is the new Marty.



Personally, If you look at Marty's years - he had several DC's. He was never afraid to grab someone else (Cunningham) if there was reason to.

Reid, on the other hand, doesn't give two shits....he's keeping his guy no matter how bad the D is.

Shag
01-24-2018, 07:15 PM
Dane is right.


Ownership is the problem.


Fuck.

Always has been. Accountability starts at the top.

007
01-24-2018, 07:19 PM
The problems with this franchise have always been ownership.

cwhocares
01-24-2018, 07:22 PM
Smart move. The defenses problem is talent not scheme.

:stupid::stupid:

Oh Yeah (sarcasm) Having your best pass rusher dropping into coverage is a good scheme.

Kman34
01-24-2018, 07:24 PM
Funny how the Steelers didn't mess around and fired a pretty successful coach (Haley) and we are stuck with this old brokedick cause our coach has his head in the sand....

RunKC
01-24-2018, 07:27 PM
We definitely have to bring in some real players this offseason on that side of the football. Between the injured guys and hopefully absolutely loading up on defenders via FA/draft, we might be able to have an above average-to-good defense again.

I was already prepared for this Sutton news. Whatever. All I can say is, if you're keeping his ass, then he needs to be told to change some things. Primarily the stuff Pest pointed out.

I hated his scheme in the Titans 2nd half collapse, but people get pissed at Sutton for things out of his control.

The talent on this team was extremely limited. We relied on Zombo, Sorenson, finished DJ, finished Tamba, Gaines, Murray.

My god that’s terrible.

bigjosh
01-24-2018, 07:29 PM
Funny how the Steelers didn't mess around and fired a pretty successful coach (Haley) and we are stuck with this old brokedick cause our coach has his head in the sand....Did Sutton get in a bar fight and break his pelvis? Are there reports that Sutton and the leader of the team hate each other?

carcosa
01-24-2018, 07:30 PM
FUCK

Kman34
01-24-2018, 07:30 PM
Did Sutton get in a bar fight and break his pelvis? Are there reports that Sutton and the leader of the team hate each other?

If it helps him get fired I'm all for it...

Priest31kc
01-24-2018, 07:32 PM
0% chance Alex is here next season

HemiEd
01-24-2018, 07:36 PM
I am starting to hate this team. I heard many years ago that love turns to hate.

carcosa
01-24-2018, 07:37 PM
Fuck Clark Hunt

Fuck Andy Reid

Fuck Alex Smith

And fuck Bob Sutton for not doing the right thing and throwing himself down a flight of stairs

Molitoth
01-24-2018, 07:42 PM
F7uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.....

Uhhhhhg.

Lost.all.hope.

ARROW2
01-24-2018, 07:44 PM
Uh...I'm suddenly uneasy.

Man, I will freak the fuck out if Alex is back.

carcosa
01-24-2018, 07:46 PM
Man, I will freak the fuck out if Alex is back.

I'm not watching another Chiefs game until Pat Mahomes is the starter.

Hammock Parties
01-24-2018, 07:48 PM
Man, I will freak the fuck out if Alex is back.

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-08/11/14/enhanced/webdr08/anigif_enhanced-2788-1407783187-1.gif

Priest31kc
01-24-2018, 07:49 PM
Sutton will get one more year to prove he can turn the D around. Those last 8 games, even though they weren't against the greatest offenses, is probably why he's getting another shot, even after the playoff collapse.

If he can't get this D back to around 2014-2015 levels, then he's probably gone after the year.

He gets Berry back and hopefully atleast 3 or 4 impact guys from free agency and the draft at CB, OLB, DL & maybe S. There will be injuries again just like every year, so that can't be an excuse if he fails.

Knew he'd be back so I already accepted it weeks ago. He gets this season to get it right or he's gone.

Priest31kc
01-24-2018, 07:51 PM
I'm not watching another Chiefs game until Pat Mahomes is the starter.

Same here if that were to be the case. But it wont be. Mahomes will be the starter don't you worry.

NWTF
01-24-2018, 07:52 PM
Im surprised he even addressed it. Most of us knew Sutton would be back.

I do find his Alex Smith comments funny though. "Worked out pretty good". I guess if thats how you want to see it. Beating four non playoff teams down the stretch to make the playoffs so you can get bounced in humiliating fashion in the first round.

Im not saying sticking with Smith was good or bad but Im surprised hes patting himself on the back for it and using that as an example of how smart he is.

carcosa
01-24-2018, 07:55 PM
Im surprised he even addressed it. Most of us knew Sutton would be back.

I do find his Alex Smith comments funny though. "Worked out pretty good". I guess if thats how you want to see it. Beating four non playoff teams down the stretch to make the playoffs so you can get bounced in humiliating fashion in the first round.

Im not saying sticking with Smith was good or bad but Im surprised hes patting himself on the back for it and using that as an example of how smart he is.

He's an egomaniac piece of shit whose entire career is built on complacent ownership

Superturtle
01-24-2018, 08:03 PM
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NWTF
01-24-2018, 08:11 PM
Uh...I'm suddenly uneasy.

Yeah, sort of leaving the door cracked open.

After the playoff game ended I assumed that was it. Time to turn the page. Cash in Smith for draft pick. retool the defense. let the Mahomes era begin.

Now its more of a wait and see. Got to remember Andy runs this show.

keg in kc
01-24-2018, 08:13 PM
Dick Vermeil and Greg Robinson redux.

Bowser
01-24-2018, 08:22 PM
GREAT SEATS STILL AVAILABLE TO SEE YOUR TWO TIME DEFENDING AFC WEST CHAMPION KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

http://sindelpellion.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/sexualchocolate.gif

ILChief
01-24-2018, 08:23 PM
Dick Vermeil and Greg Robinson redux.

Vermeil canned Robinson after a playoff embarrassment

SAUTO
01-24-2018, 08:29 PM
This is the modern face of megalomania

You might be on to something.

Reid is a megalomaniac

Chief Roundup
01-24-2018, 08:31 PM
Dick Vermeil was forced to fire Greg Robinson.

FYP

Pablo
01-24-2018, 08:32 PM
Fuck you kool-aid man, you piece of shit.

chiefzilla1501
01-24-2018, 08:34 PM
Vermeil canned Robinson after a playoff embarrassment

In fairness, Robinson was trash for multiple years. Sutton was doing pretty well until this year. I thought he looked lost this year. But who knows, maybe he somehow finds himself back with better personnel. I'm not counting on it, but at least he has a fallback.

petegz28
01-24-2018, 08:35 PM
Keeping Sutton is a good idea if you are okay with consistently giving up 3rd downs, not stopping the run, not pressuring the QB and leaving the middle of the field wide open.

Otherwise, if you don't like those things then he probably isn't for you

65TPT
01-24-2018, 08:36 PM
I think Sutton is a smart coach. I think the scheme will change .

Superturtle
01-24-2018, 08:36 PM
Keeping Sutton is a good idea if you are okay with consistently giving up 3rd downs, not stopping the run, not pressuring the QB and leaving the middle of the field wide open.

Otherwise, if you don't like those things then he probably isn't for you
Either that or go out and spend ALL the money on defense, since Sutton is incapable of covering the weaknesses of the personnel he has.

notorious
01-24-2018, 08:42 PM
Even Arrowhead Pride members thinks this is a stupid move.

80% against Sutton, 20% for. This is insanity.

petegz28
01-24-2018, 08:44 PM
Sutton's defense has never been able to lock things down consistently....

Denver at Arrowhead, 7 point lead, 1:42 left in the game and Denver has no timeouts....

We lost...

Indy playoff game....no need to discuss

Titans game last year...had the lead, let them drive the field and kick the game winner

Oakland game in Oakland.....

Titans playoff game....

Then there are the games they played well until they had to play well...

Steelers game(s)
Giants game...


etc., etc....

If Sutton's defense don't turn the ball over they can't stop other teams

Think last year against the Panthers...they are driving to win the game and Peters yanks the ball out to save the game

When this defense needs to get a stop..and I mean a stop, not held to a FG but a 3 and out, save field position type stop it just hasn't ever been able to do it consistently

petegz28
01-24-2018, 08:48 PM
When we have had a pass rush we played the CB's 15 yards off..

When we weren't great at the pass rush we dropped our best pass rusher into coverage and played the CB's 15 yards off...

When it's 3rd and long we rush 3 and play the CB's 15 yards off....

Then we wonder why the team that started inside their 20 is suddenly inside our 20?

Chief Roundup
01-24-2018, 08:52 PM
Man, I will freak the fuck out if Alex is back.

After the way you have been all this season. I think this is an understatement.
I will not be happy nor surprised if it actually happens though.
This places server would definitely be on meltdown/suicide watch!

petegz28
01-24-2018, 08:52 PM
And never mind the fact that Sutton owns 2 of the 4 biggest defensive playoff chokes in football history.....


No lead is safe with him as a coordinator....

notorious
01-24-2018, 08:53 PM
After the way you have been all this season. I think this is an understatement.
I will not be happy nor surprised if it actually happens though.
This places server would definitely be on meltdown/suicide watch!

The entertainment value of CP might make one more year of Alex worth it.


No, no fucking way.

chiefzilla1501
01-24-2018, 08:54 PM
Sutton's defense has never been able to lock things down consistently....

Denver at Arrowhead, 7 point lead, 1:42 left in the game and Denver has no timeouts....

We lost...

Indy playoff game....no need to discuss

Titans game last year...had the lead, let them drive the field and kick the game winner

Oakland game in Oakland.....

Titans playoff game....

Then there are the games they played well until they had to play well...

Steelers game(s)
Giants game...


etc., etc....

If Sutton's defense don't turn the ball over they can't stop other teams

Think last year against the Panthers...they are driving to win the game and Peters yanks the ball out to save the game

When this defense needs to get a stop..and I mean a stop, not held to a FG but a 3 and out, save field position type stop it just hasn't ever been able to do it consistently

I think that's a little overreactive. Sutton's D was plenty good for several years between 2014-2016. They were more than just late turnover machines. The Panthers game you're talking about, they pitched a second half shutout without Justin Houston. The D this year is a much different story. It's not the same defense he was running for years. We went from blitzing 28% of the time to 16%.

notorious
01-24-2018, 08:55 PM
The defense got WORSE with Houston out there.

Try to wrap your mind around that for a moment.

arrwheader
01-24-2018, 08:58 PM
That quote has me more worried than the sutton issue. That dumb **** better not be bringing back Smith.

My thoughts and I think it’s going to happen.

arrwheader
01-24-2018, 08:59 PM
It would be just like the Chiefs to draft a rookie QB for the first time in over 30 years and then completely waste the first two years of his rookie deal.

Yep.

petegz28
01-24-2018, 09:01 PM
The defense got WORSE with Houston out there.

Try to wrap your mind around that for a moment.

Seemed he was hellbent on Houston becoming a coverage LB, right?

notorious
01-24-2018, 09:10 PM
Seemed he was hellbent on Houston becoming a coverage LB, right?

https://media.tenor.com/images/c7b75ee5c7c245d29dc0b7305ea2f338/tenor.gif



(this gif is not directed at you, it's directed at Sutton's complete failure)

RunKC
01-24-2018, 09:15 PM
And never mind the fact that Sutton owns 2 of the 4 biggest defensive playoff chokes in football history.....


No lead is safe with him as a coordinator....

Offense takes a lot of blame for this too. Offense went into a shell in the 2nd half of both games.

arrwheader
01-24-2018, 09:31 PM
**** Clark Hunt

**** Andy Reid

**** Alex Smith

And **** Bob Sutton for not doing the right thing and throwing himself down a flight of stairs

ROFL

Hammock Parties
01-24-2018, 09:34 PM
And fuck Bob Sutton for not doing the right thing and throwing himself down a flight of stairs

if you steal his life alert there's still time

https://maxvaluesmag.com/findit/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Life-Alert-Photo.jpg

Pasta Giant Meatball
01-24-2018, 09:47 PM
Without the offense taking care of the ball and not giving up short fields, this defense gives up a TD more a game last year. Werthers is toast.

JENKINSWINS
01-24-2018, 09:51 PM
Better hope Mahomes protects the ball or their some major upgrades in the defense.

kccrow
01-24-2018, 10:07 PM
If that fat fucking idiot also retains Smith, count me out of the "watching the Chiefs in 2018" crowd.

The only reason I might watch them at this point is for Mahomes, because Sutton is trash.

penchief
01-24-2018, 10:09 PM
Better hope Mahomes protects the ball or their some major upgrades in the defense.

All of these veiled insinuations by the Alex Cult in defense of their man crush is pathetic. It's a shame that the true chief fans on this board have to put up with this nonsense until Smith is gone.

Yes, we know the only thing Smith is good at is protecting the ball. Whoop de doo. I'm sure Mahomes will be just fine protecting the ball while at the same time actually making plays when it matters.

kcxiv
01-24-2018, 10:09 PM
The defense got WORSE with Houston out there.

Try to wrap your mind around that for a moment.

because he was in fucking coverage most of the time. Why you want to put your best pass rusher in coverage in 3rd and longs is fucking beyond me.

Reerun_KC
01-24-2018, 10:14 PM
Better hope Mahomes protects the ball or their some major upgrades in the defense.



Drink antifreeze

chiefzilla1501
01-24-2018, 10:15 PM
Better hope Mahomes protects the ball or their some major upgrades in the defense.

Yeah... I don't care if mahomes makes a few mistakes in the name of our offense playing more consistently aggressive. Enough with the bs that conservative qb play is any better a strategy.

Eleazar
01-24-2018, 10:16 PM
Illustration number 5,687 of Andy Reid being incapable of learning from his mistakes and improving.

chiefzilla1501
01-24-2018, 10:18 PM
All of these veiled insinuations by the Alex Cult in defense of their man crush is pathetic. It's a shame that the true chief fans on this board have to put up with this nonsense until Smith is gone.

Yes, we know the only thing Smith is good at is protecting the ball. Whoop de doo. I'm sure Mahomes will be just fine protecting the ball while at the same time actually making plays when it matters.

People forget that when you score more points, it helps you overcome the defense giving up points. Not that it's ideal. We need to score and make defensive stops. But the idea that laying up instead of attacking when you have a bad defense is something you'd only hear in kc.

Eleazar
01-24-2018, 10:18 PM
And by the way, I'm not laying this at Andy Reid's feet. He is obviously what he is and is never going to change. He's set in his severely limited ways. This is on CHunt, for not demanding more out of the team. This is complacency on the part of ownership with first round exits.

KCChiefsFan88
01-24-2018, 10:31 PM
So we can now expect the Chiefs to be aggressive this offseason in upgrading the talent on defense with Reid implying that the issue on defense is personnel and not coaching (by keeping Sutton)?

That is a rhetorical question since we know the Chiefs more than likely won’t do shit.

Commitment to historical playoff choke jobs... that is good enough for Clark Hunt whose only success in life is the fact he was lucky enough to be Lamar’s sperm.

BossChief
01-25-2018, 12:35 AM
Go get Suh/Richardson...then sign Talib in FA (Elway is scared of this, to the point he has floated rumors of trading Talib to media) and Get Berry back and Sutton will be fine. Though I’d have far preferred an upgrade there.

Suh
Jones
Bailey
Roches
Draft pick
Jenkins

Passagnon
Eligwe
Ragland
Houston
Draft pick
Wilson
Louis
Dadi

Peters
Talib
Nelson
Draft pick
Draft pick/holdover

Berry
Sorensen
Parker
Murray
Rook

BossChief
01-25-2018, 12:40 AM
So we can now expect the Chiefs to be aggressive this offseason in upgrading the talent on defense with Reid implying that the issue on defense is personnel and not coaching (by keeping Sutton)?

That is a rhetorical question since we know the Chiefs more than likely won’t do shit.

Commitment to historical playoff choke jobs... that is good enough for Clark Hunt whose only success in life is the fact he was lucky enough to be Lamar’s sperm.

Hold up guys.

Since when is it the owners fault?

Clark Hunt has written some huge checks and doesn’t micro manage.

The team is constantly right at the cap.

The problem with this team is the injuries Berry and Houston got right after signing them.

If both had stayed healthy, this team might have made a nice run of things the last few years. Jmo

chiefzilla1501
01-25-2018, 01:20 AM
Hold up guys.

Since when is it the owners fault?

Clark Hunt has written some huge checks and doesn’t micro manage.

The team is constantly right at the cap.

The problem with this team is the injuries Berry and Houston got right after signing them.

If both had stayed healthy, this team might have made a nice run of things the last few years. Jmo

I think you're being generous to the underlying problems with the team. Injuries don't change that Sutton looked lost with his scheme this year. Better players in a lost scheme fix some warts, but it doesn't fix the problem. Reid lost a playoff game on offense in a way Philly fans know is typical Andy Reid. That Andy Reid's takeaway is that we should give MORE playcalling responsibility to Reid, and that our Defensive coaching staff should go untouched, means coaching is taking no accountability for the loss.

Reid reports directly to CHunt. You know what St. Louis did with Vermeil? Vermeil didn't want Faulk, he wanted to start Tony Banks, and he didn't want Mike Martz. The Rams front office pushed those things on him. Reid is running around like an aimless puppy dog on a long leash.

007
01-25-2018, 01:25 AM
Hold up guys.

Since when is it the owners fault?

Clark Hunt has written some huge checks and doesn’t micro manage.

The team is constantly right at the cap.

The problem with this team is the injuries Berry and Houston got right after signing them.

If both had stayed healthy, this team might have made a nice run of things the last few years. Jmo

Injuries don't seem to stop the Patriots from being successful. Hell even Philly had a slew of injuries and they survived. We can't keep blaming failed seasons on injuries.

BigRedChief
01-25-2018, 01:40 AM
Illustration number 5,687 of Andy Reid being incapable of learning from his mistakes and improving.and Yet...........

If any NFL team needs a coach and Reid is available, they will hire him over any person on the face of the earth except for Bellicheck.

bigjosh
01-25-2018, 01:45 AM
Blaming clark is a cop out.

Guy went out and gave away the farm for Pioli, who at the time was considered the "executive of the decade" It didnt work out in 5 years, he fired his ass and threw some gold bricks at the most successful available head coach in the league for probably the past decade and a half, and brought in an up and coming GM candidate in Dorsey. Dorsey couldnt manage certain aspects of the Personnel department and Clark shit canned his ass too.

Clark is trying to get this team in the dance man.

BossChief
01-25-2018, 02:04 AM
Injuries don't seem to stop the Patriots from being successful. Hell even Philly had a slew of injuries and they survived. We can't keep blaming failed seasons on injuries.

I wasn’t. But to claim it’s Clark’s fault is silly. The guy has opened up the pocketbook repeatedly over the last decade or so to get this team in position to win a championship and he lets the guys he hires do their job. If they don’t, he fires them.

He’s a damn good owner, imo.

He has written all the checks to keep talent in KC. Even when Dorsey wanted big signing bonuses to lower initial first year cap hits, Clark has kept the checks flowing. Especially in positions that aren’t capped like coaches and front office. The Chiefs have had one of the biggest and most expensive coaching staffs in the league and Clark has gone out and gotten the best GM available when he’s looked to fill that spot.

Not sure what else an owner can do to show he wants to win...

chiefzilla1501
01-25-2018, 02:22 AM
Blaming clark is a cop out.

Guy went out and gave away the farm for Pioli, who at the time was considered the "executive of the decade" It didnt work out in 5 years, he fired his ass and threw some gold bricks at the most successful available head coach in the league for probably the past decade and a half, and brought in an up and coming GM candidate in Dorsey. Dorsey couldnt manage certain aspects of the Personnel department and Clark shit canned his ass too.

Clark is trying to get this team in the dance man.

I don't doubt he has the passion. He's not solely responsible.

But he has a hand in this. Two consecutive regimes where his approach was to hire someone very experienced and then let those guys run up a ton of power. It's not a bad thing. But in both cases he's gotten railroaded by guys who took their power too far. We have a million years of knowledge about who Andy Reid is. That Hunt thinks the approach to managing him is to give Reid even more power... this is where an owner needs to put his foot down. Nobody wants a Jerry Jones, but the hands off approach isn't working. St. Louis went over Vermeil's head in ways Lamar/Peterson wouldn't. Arthur Blank when he hired Pioli neutered him and separated Pioli entirely from the head coach search. We don't do these kinds of things. And that's why we have offseasons like this.

T-post Tom
01-25-2018, 02:38 AM
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redhed
01-25-2018, 04:38 AM
Man, fuck this team.

TLO
01-25-2018, 06:02 AM
LMAO

farmerchief
01-25-2018, 06:12 AM
Bleh,no news here, need to move on. Didnt figure Andy would part with one of his buddies, although I think its time. Every team has injuries, its how you cope and make adjustments, defines a good coach. Unfortunately, I think Sutton needs to retire at this stage,,,

jspchief
01-25-2018, 06:30 AM
Knew this was going to happen, and won't be remotely surprised when Smith is back.

The Reid era has been a success in Reid's mind.

notorious
01-25-2018, 06:41 AM
Hold up guys.

Since when is it the owners fault?

Clark Hunt has written some huge checks and doesn’t micro manage.

The team is constantly right at the cap.

The problem with this team is the injuries Berry and Houston got right after signing them.

If both had stayed healthy, this team might have made a nice run of things the last few years. Jmo


Someone needs to quote Danes post from a few days ago.

staylor26
01-25-2018, 06:48 AM
Guys, there’s a 0% chance that Alex is back.

Give it a rest.

notorious
01-25-2018, 06:51 AM
Here you go, Boss.

What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

jjchieffan
01-25-2018, 07:10 AM
Can't say that I'm surprised. Good news is, Sutton is older than dirt. Maybe he will decide that he can't keep going and step aside for health reasons sooner rather than later.

SuperBowl4
01-25-2018, 07:12 AM
Chiefs only care about regular season wins and butts in the seats.Winning the AFC WEST is like winning the Super Bowl!

Hammock Parties
01-25-2018, 07:13 AM
Can't say that I'm surprised. Good news is, Sutton is older than dirt. Maybe he will decide that he can't keep going and step aside for health reasons sooner rather than later.

He looks fine. I bet he's going to be like LeBeau.

RealSNR
01-25-2018, 07:14 AM
Mahomes is literally the ONLY FUCKING THING that's keeping me interested in the team this offseason and beyond.

The more it's about Mahomes, the more I pay attention. The less it is about Mahomes, the less I pay attention.

If the team keeps Alex, I'm not watching a single fucking game. I'm not going to watch Mahomes have to deal with that shit.

If Alex STARTS, even for just one game, I'm sending in money for another airplane.

This is fucking stupid and ridiculous. We fans have low expectations. Very low expectations. Just TRY to fucking win. That's fucking all. Give yourself a chance. Get the best defensive coordinator you can find. Newsflash: It ain't fucking Sutton. Start your limitless potential QB from the very outset. Try to establish him as a franchise savior as soon as possible. Sell off the old pieces of shit like Alex Smith. Get more picks and $$$ to build up your team, or roll it over for next year when you're in a more competitive position.

Jesus fucking Christ, it's not that fucking goddamn hard.

KCUnited
01-25-2018, 07:25 AM
Reid also in talks with Jeff Triplette to come out of retirement. Wants entire band back together in 2018.

MahiMike
01-25-2018, 07:28 AM
Well, glad that's settled.

staylor26
01-25-2018, 07:46 AM
Mahomes is literally the ONLY FUCKING THING that's keeping me interested in the team this offseason and beyond.

The more it's about Mahomes, the more I pay attention. The less it is about Mahomes, the less I pay attention.

If the team keeps Alex, I'm not watching a single fucking game. I'm not going to watch Mahomes have to deal with that shit.

If Alex STARTS, even for just one game, I'm sending in money for another airplane.

This is fucking stupid and ridiculous. We fans have low expectations. Very low expectations. Just TRY to fucking win. That's fucking all. Give yourself a chance. Get the best defensive coordinator you can find. Newsflash: It ain't fucking Sutton. Start your limitless potential QB from the very outset. Try to establish him as a franchise savior as soon as possible. Sell off the old pieces of shit like Alex Smith. Get more picks and $$$ to build up your team, or roll it over for next year when you're in a more competitive position.

Jesus fucking Christ, it's not that fucking goddamn hard.

Reid also said this yesterday about Mahomes:

“He gets to that Denver game and he can function at a high level, and it’s not just calling the plays, and lining up and doing it,” Reid said. “It’s a matter of the protections against that defense, moving people around.”

If that doesn’t say Mahomes is ready, I don’t know what does. Everybody is getting worked up about NOTHING.

Dayze
01-25-2018, 07:54 AM
life as a Chiefs fan.

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Baby Lee
01-25-2018, 08:05 AM
Here you go, Boss.

I once bought an off-the-rack HereYouGo Boss at Men's Warehouse.

Note to self - Ready Labels Carefully.

RunKC
01-25-2018, 08:13 AM
I think that's a little overreactive. Sutton's D was plenty good for several years between 2014-2016. They were more than just late turnover machines. The Panthers game you're talking about, they pitched a second half shutout without Justin Houston. The D this year is a much different story. It's not the same defense he was running for years. We went from blitzing 28% of the time to 16%.

Anyone want to guess why we didn't blitz much this year? Oh yeah because the secondary ****ing SUCKED. They did not have the secondary to handle covering blitzes. That's a huge personnel problem.

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ptlyon
01-25-2018, 08:15 AM
Good ol boys club. Must not be eligible for Medicare yet.

KCChiefsFan88
01-25-2018, 08:36 AM
Blaming clark is a cop out.

Guy went out and gave away the farm for Pioli, who at the time was considered the "executive of the decade" It didnt work out in 5 years, he fired his ass and threw some gold bricks at the most successful available head coach in the league for probably the past decade and a half, and brought in an up and coming GM candidate in Dorsey. Dorsey couldnt manage certain aspects of the Personnel department and Clark shit canned his ass too.

Clark is trying to get this team in the dance man.

Wrong.

Andy Reid reports directly to Clark Hunt.

After a second historic playoff choke job within a 5 year time-frame... with mostly the same coaching staff... the fact that Clark didn't force Reid to shake-up his coaching staff reveals a continued lack of accountability that has historically plagued this franchise.

Two of the three non-Chiefs teams that lost on Wild Card weekend made major changes to their coaching staffs. Teams such as Green Bay and Seattle who have been to recent Super Bowls made major changes to their coaching staffs since the end of the regular season.

Why isn't Clark forcing that same level of accountability on Andy Reid and his coaching staff after TWO historic playoff choke jobs within a five year time-frame?

oldman
01-25-2018, 08:45 AM
life as a Chiefs fan.

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Pretty much this.

srvy
01-25-2018, 08:49 AM
Reid also said this yesterday about Mahomes:

“He gets to that Denver game and he can function at a high level, and it’s not just calling the plays, and lining up and doing it,” Reid said. “It’s a matter of the protections against that defense, moving people around.”

If that doesn’t say Mahomes is ready, I don’t know what does. Everybody is getting worked up about NOTHING.

Yep I took note of that.

Strongside
01-25-2018, 08:49 AM
Improving CB2, getting Berry back, and getting some help in the front 7 (particularly at ILB) will shore a lot of our woes up.

That said, still pretty confused as to why we're keeping ol' grey bush on-staff.

rabblerouser
01-25-2018, 08:50 AM
Sutton isnt without fault, but a lot of their issues stemmed from age, lack of effort, and lack of talent this season.

And an offense that, despite having the eventual rushing champion in the backfield, kept the defense on the field entirely too long.

OmahaChief
01-25-2018, 08:53 AM
Nice..frees up my Sundays now. I vowed not to watch another game if they kept that sack of shit Sutton. Thanks Andy.

cron912
01-25-2018, 08:59 AM
Im to the point now where I want Reid gone as much as I want Sutton and Alex gone. **** that fat piece of shit.

Same here. Although I never wanted Reid to begin with, so my angst for him has just grown.

King_Chief_Fan
01-25-2018, 09:00 AM
Sutton isnt without fault, but a lot of their issues stemmed from age, lack of effort, and lack of talent this season.

describes Sutton perfectly

RunKC
01-25-2018, 09:02 AM
Guys, there’s a 0% chance that Alex is back.

Give it a rest.

I think he’s gone, but in no way would anyone be surprised if Alex is here next year.

staylor26
01-25-2018, 09:07 AM
I think he’s gone, but in no way would anyone be surprised if Alex is here next year.

Lol they aren’t going to waste another year of Mahomes rookie deal when he’s clearly ready, and also miss out on the opportunity to get something good for Alex after a career year. Absolutely no chance.

Mr. Plow
01-25-2018, 09:09 AM
Lol they aren’t going to waste another year of Mahomes rookie deal when he’s clearly ready, and also miss out on the opportunity to get something good for Alex after a career year. Absolutely no chance.

How long have you been watching the Chiefs?

Eleazar
01-25-2018, 09:10 AM
Nice..frees up my Sundays now. I vowed not to watch another game if they kept that sack of shit Sutton. Thanks Andy.

Andy and Sutton are strikes one and two. I know it's unlikely, but if by some chance it's not Mahomes starting next year I won't be watching either.

Andy Reid is very unlikely to ever deliver more than he already has even with a new QB. He's guaranteed to deliver the same crap sandwich they've been feeding us the past 5 years if he runs the same formula out there again.

We must have bottom-third of the league ownership in most people's minds by now.

srvy
01-25-2018, 09:10 AM
Wrong.

Andy Reid reports directly to Clark Hunt.

After a second historic playoff choke job within a 5 year time-frame... with mostly the same coaching staff... the fact that Clark didn't force Reid to shake-up his coaching staff reveals a continued lack of accountability that has historically plagued this franchise.

Two of the three non-Chiefs teams that lost on Wild Card weekend made major changes to their coaching staffs. Teams such as Green Bay and Seattle who have been to recent Super Bowls made major changes to their coaching staffs since the end of the regular season.

Why isn't Clark forcing that same level of accountability on Andy Reid and his coaching staff after TWO historic playoff choke jobs within a five year time-frame?

Clark is a business man who happened to grow up around football but his sport of choice was soccer. You sure you want your owner dictating to the head coach who his staff should be? After all its worked out so well for Jerry Jones. Bet Robert Kraft doesnt do it to Bill. Look at the shitstorm over trading Garaffalo Bill and Bob barely acknowledged each other excepting the Lamar Hunt Trophy. Maybe Bill becomes available in the next year or two. Id be all over that.

BigRedChief
01-25-2018, 09:11 AM
I think he’s gone, but in no way would anyone be surprised if Alex is here next year.Your crazy. No way Smith will be back.

There would be a massive backlash from the fans. Smith would be booed at home. Empty seats at Arrowhead. Problems in the locker room. You'd be giving up at least a 2nd rounder but maybe 2 second's for 1 more year of Smith to sit your Ferrari on the bench? No fucking way that happens.

staylor26
01-25-2018, 09:11 AM
How long have you been watching the Chiefs?

Me last offseason:

The Chiefs will draft a QB in the 1st.

CP:

How long have you been watching the Chiefs?

Sometimes you just need to learn to read the signs and use some logic.

RunKC
01-25-2018, 09:17 AM
Lol they aren’t going to waste another year of Mahomes rookie deal when he’s clearly ready, and also miss out on the opportunity to get something good for Alex after a career year. Absolutely no chance.

It’s not about Alex. It’s about Andy fucking Reid.

“Uh I stuck with Alex and that worked out pretty good herp derp”

Motherfuck Andy Reid.

Mr. Plow
01-25-2018, 09:22 AM
Me last offseason:

The Chiefs will draft a QB in the 1st.

CP:

How long have you been watching the Chiefs?

Sometimes you just need to learn to read the signs and use some logic.

There is no reason that Smith should be on the team next season. Too much to gain by getting rid of him. But it would be such a Chiefs thing to do to keep him.

staylor26
01-25-2018, 09:22 AM
It’s not about Alex. It’s about Andy fucking Reid.

“Uh I stuck with Alex and that worked out pretty good herp derp”

Motherfuck Andy Reid.

What he said was fucking stupid, but coaches say shit like that all of the time. They are prideful people. Why are you ignoring what he said about Mahomes? Read between the lines here

“He gets to that Denver game and he can function at a high level, and it’s not just calling the plays, and lining up and doing it,” Reid said. “It’s a matter of the protections against that defense, moving people around.”

That tells you everything you need to know about how he feels about Mahomes and whether he’s ready. Like I said, 0% chance.

KCChiefsFan88
01-25-2018, 09:25 AM
Clark is a business man who happened to grow up around football but his sport of choice was soccer. You sure you want your owner dictating to the head coach who his staff should be?

Reid reports directly to Clark, so who else is going to hold Reid accountable for his coaching staff's performance and force changes to his coaching staff?

ptlyon
01-25-2018, 09:30 AM
Commitment to Mediocrity

RunKC
01-25-2018, 09:32 AM
Reid reports directly to Clark, so who else is going to hold Reid accountable for his coaching staff's performance and force changes to his coaching staff?

The absolute last thing anyone should want is a hands on owner like Jerry Jones who meddles into everything.

You should go back and watch Brett Veach’s press conference. He specifically mentions his discussion with Clark of what he needs to do to win a championship in the next 3 years.

Clark isn’t going to meddle with Andy, but if this continues another year or two, I think Andy is out.

Easy 6
01-25-2018, 09:34 AM
GREAT SEATS STILL AVAILABLE TO SEE YOUR TWO TIME DEFENDING AFC WEST CHAMPION KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

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LMAO we need Clay to shop Reids face onto Randy

ptlyon
01-25-2018, 09:35 AM
Awesome! Our 5 year plan is down to three!

siberian khatru
01-25-2018, 09:39 AM
As much as I disagree with the decision to keep Sutton, I can at least see their logic: We just need to get better players for him to succeed. (Which is true, although most of us agree they need both better players AND a new DC.)


I can't believe they think they can accomplish that without freeing up a lot of cap space, more than what a couple of cuts and reworked contracts can deliver. Hell, they need to do that just to get UNDER the cap, let alone go shopping.

The only way they can get sufficient cap space to help give Sutton what he needs to succeed is to get rid of Smith. So I can't see any logic in bringing Smith back. You need his cap savings, and it's easier to achieve that with his replacement already on the roster. Bringing Smith back just makes no sense for them. It's not about loyalty or performance, it's about sheer dollars.

I will be utterly gobsmacked if Smith returns. Not because I think he's evil incarnate, but because it makes way too much BUSINESS sense to get rid of him.


And again, my disgust with what Reid said yesterday isn't that he's bringing Bob back, or that he inserted Smith into the conversation. It's the utter contempt he had for the fans, the brushing off another playoff failure as just another screw that needs to be tightened. He was as cold and dismissive as Michael Corleone after he had wiped out all his enemies -- someone who had consolidated all his power and didn't have to answer to anyone anymore.

loochy
01-25-2018, 09:40 AM
You sure you want your owner dictating to the head coach who his staff should be? After all its worked out so well for Jerry Jones.

:shrug: It HAS worked out well.

That's 3 more super bowl wins that we've had in that time period...

Jerry picked Jimmy. Jerry picked Barry.

RealSNR
01-25-2018, 09:44 AM
What keeping Sutton does is it puts tremendous pressure on Veach, too. KC cannot depend on improving the defense through Eric Berry alone. There have to be significant player upgrades, which might include a big free agent or two.

I was willing to let the defense rebuild slowly and count this as a gap year, but what Reid had done is say, "It's the players who didn't get the job done."

Okay, Andy. That's fair. Then fucking fix it. You can't just sit on your ass and let things come to you, otherwise there is zero accountability in the organization, and not even a franchise QB can overcome that kind of team environment.

Baby Lee
01-25-2018, 09:47 AM
As much as I disagree with the decision to keep Sutton, I can at least see their logic: We just need to get better players for him to succeed. (Which is true, although most of us agree they need both better players AND a new DC.)

I too agree that Sutton can succeed with top-tier talent. It's the utter inability to adapt to compromises in the talent pool that inevitably arise during the season that's the troubling part.

It's like those 'innovative' Formula 1 teams that come out every year with some new engine or aerodynamics package that promises to take the field by storm. Then they inevitably develop some radiator problem, or a tire issue out of nowhere, and they're back on the sidelines watching Ferrari lope along to their umpteenth victory.

ptlyon
01-25-2018, 09:47 AM
Okay, Andy. That's fair. Then ****ing fix it. You can't just sit on your ass and let things come to you, otherwise there is zero accountability in the organization, and not even a franchise QB can overcome that kind of team environment.

Hey now, he's been working on getting better for 5 years now.

Baby Lee
01-25-2018, 09:50 AM
not even a franchise QB can overcome that kind of team environment.

Heresy!!!

Iczer
01-25-2018, 09:52 AM
I don't agree with keeping Sutton, and i'm sure it's been mentioned here once or twice. But keeping Sutton has to end the Alex Smith era in KC. There's too many holes on defense to address without freeing up much needed cap space.

If we keep Sutton and Alex Smith is starting next year, I will not dedicate my Sundays to watch the Chiefs. I know how this story plays out.

RunKC
01-25-2018, 09:52 AM
What keeping Sutton does is it puts tremendous pressure on Veach, too. KC cannot depend on improving the defense through Eric Berry alone. There have to be significant player upgrades, which might include a big free agent or two.


Dorsey had 5 offseasons to build this defense. He botched the 2014 draft, he botched a 2016 3rd rd pick, he gave us another developmental player that wouldn’t help us in 2017. The mother****er gave us Zombo as a primary backup and couldn’t replace Gaines.

This is John Dorsey’s fault.

It says a whole hell of a lot that in 5 offseasons, Dorsey couldn’t find competent ILB’s for the long term and Veach got a good run stuffer and another decent one in his first month on the job.

lcarus
01-25-2018, 10:09 AM
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lcarus
01-25-2018, 10:11 AM
I don't agree with keeping Sutton, and i'm sure it's been mentioned here once or twice. But keeping Sutton has to end the Alex Smith era in KC. There's too many holes on defense to address without freeing up much needed cap space.

If we keep Sutton and Alex Smith is starting next year, I will not dedicate my Sundays to watch the Chiefs. I know how this story plays out.

That famous quote about insanity would apply.

Iczer
01-25-2018, 10:13 AM
That famous quote about insanity would apply.

Pretty much

Dayze
01-25-2018, 10:22 AM
If I'm Clark and I sit there and listen to Andy tell me he wants to keep Sutton after two historic pants shittings....

I make it clear to him that if he wants to keep Sutton, then both Andy and Bob's asses are on the line now. If Andy wants to hitch his wagon to his boy, then he better prepare for major shit if this team misses, or get bounced yet again from the playoffs.

ptlyon
01-25-2018, 10:26 AM
If I'm Clark and I sit there and listen to Andy tell me he wants to keep Sutton after two historic pants shittings....

I make it clear to him that if he wants to keep Sutton, then both Andy and Bob's asses are on the line now. If Andy wants to hitch his wagon to his boy, then he better prepare for major shit if this team misses, or get bounced yet again from the playoffs.

Nice thought. But, Clark already hitched himself to Andy for 5 years.