Cleveland Indians are getting rid of Chief Wahoo

[alnorth]

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/01/29/indians-to-stop-using-the-chief-wahoo-logo-on-uniforms-in-2019/

Fans will still be able to buy merchandise with the Chief Wahoo logo in the team store and in the Cleveland area, but thats it. The logo will not appear on uniforms, on signage in the stadium, or on anything from MLB.

edit: This will start in the 2019 season. Its apparently too late for them to remove the logo in the 2018 season for some reason.

[alnorth]

Incoming idiotic "oh no, we're next!" reactions in 3, 2, 1.....

[HemiEd]

Who knew he was a Chief with only one feather?

[Kiimo]

The Chiefs use of native american iconography is a far cry from Chief Wahoo's caricature.

[Al Bundy]

The Chiefs use of native american iconography is a far cry from Chief Wahoo's caricature.

This.

[wazu]

Has to hurt a lot for Indians fans. One of the most recognizable and immediately likable logos in all of sports.

[Rain Man]

America kills one more Indian.

[Best22]

Has to hurt a lot for Indians fans. One of the most recognizable and immediately likable logos in all of sports.

Recognizable?

I hardly notice the Cleveland Indians

[Basileus777]

Has to hurt a lot for Indians fans. One of the most recognizable and immediately likable logos in all of sports.
Likable is hardly a label I'd put on it. It's a racist caricature that's offputing if anything. I'm ok with it being put in the dustbin of history.

[BryanBusby]

I will miss this iconic, racially sensitive logo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu_yXNoWcAELBMz.jpg

[Rain Man]

Any truth to the rumor that they're going to co-market with the state capital and change the logo to Christopher Columbus?

[Beef Supreme]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2815110476/033393c13e6dec0fd6cc5006453fbeb5_400x400.png

[wazu]

Recognizable?

I hardly notice the Cleveland Indians

Just look for the team with a “C” on their hat.

[Basileus777]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2815110476/033393c13e6dec0fd6cc5006453fbeb5_400x400.png
Won't someone think of the leprechauns.

[Beef Supreme]

Won't someone think of the leprechauns.

The Celts are actually a real people. With living descendants and everything. Why aren't you worried about this insensitive caricature?

[Baby Lee]

The Celts are actually a real people. With living descendants and everything. Why aren't you worried about this insensitive caricature?

I'm Celtic AND First Peoples. That horror.

[wazu]

Likable is hardly a label I'd put on it. It's a racist caricature that's offputing if anything. I'm ok with it being put in the dustbin of history.

I remember seeing it as a kid and thinking that seems like it would be a fun team to root for. A big cartoon smiling face just projecting happiness and confidence. Thankfully I decided to stick with Royals so I could enjoy championship baseball.

[cosmo20002]

I'm Celtic AND First Peoples. That horror.

^has a hysterical hissy fit monthly on CP; says people are too sensitive

[Basileus777]

The Celts are actually a real people. With living descendants and everything. Why aren't you worried about this insensitive caricature?
Because it's a fucking leprechaun and not a racist depiction of an actual person.

[gblowfish]

They should change their names to "Cleveland Caucasians."

[FloridaMan88]

Offensive to Scandinavians? How crazy will things get in PC Fun Land?

http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/nfl-assets/img/gbl-ico-team/MIN/logos/home/large.png

[BryanBusby]

Offensive to Scandinavians? How crazy will things get in the PC Fun Land?

http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/nfl-assets/img/gbl-ico-team/MIN/logos/home/large.png
I guess if you're a total dumbfuck, yeah you could draw that conclusion.

[vailpass]

I'm gonna' miss that big nosed red skin.

[bdj23]

Liberals ruin everything

[Beef Supreme]

Because it's a fucking leprechaun and not a racist depiction of an actual person.

The correct answer is that it would be fucking stupid to be upset about it, just like this shit is with the Cleveland team.

Who is the actual person Chief Wahoo is based on? ROFL

[AssEaterChief]

Has to hurt a lot for Indians fans. One of the most recognizable and immediately likable logos in all of sports.

Bollocks

[KCUnited]

I casino reason to be upset by this.

[wazu]

I'm gonna' miss that big nosed red skin.

Not seeing the problem with his nose.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/579919545109975040/_BhV66oi.jpg

[NinerDoug]

They should change their names to "Cleveland Caucasians."

LMAO

[GloryDayz]

Let's hope they get rid of the drum guys too.

[NinerDoug]

I guess if you're a total dumb****, yeah you could draw that conclusion.

I tend to think they are proud of their Viking ancestry.

Of course, in this day and age, they make just make accusations of "cultural appropriation."

[GloryDayz]

And was Sue the Sioux threatening to sue again?

[alpha_omega]

fans will still be able to buy merchandise with the Chief Wahoo logo in the team store and in the Cleveland area

Then they aren't really getting rid of it.

[GloryDayz]

I tend to think they are proud of their Viking ancestry.



Are you suggesting Indians aren't?

[vailpass]

Not seeing the problem with his nose.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/579919545109975040/_BhV66oi.jpg

I'd like to think you're assessing this native american schnoz in a fair manner but I have my reservations.

[CoMoChief]

Dumb.

The victim mentality bs needs to stop.

Words are words...or in this case, a mascot or logo.

You're an adult, move on.

[Rain Man]

Then they aren't really getting rid of it.

They're getting rid of the parts that don't directly produce revenue.

I hope they don't replace him with an ermine. The ermine belongs to Kansas City's football team.

[Randallflagg]

The Celts are actually a real people. With living descendants and everything. Why aren't you worried about this insensitive caricature?


Well, My ancestors came to America in 1732 from Scotland. The caricature of a man in a kilt and a tartan color - wearing a tam o' shanter and smoking a pipe hasn't been "truthful" since the Jacobite uprising in the early 1700s and the subsequent "cleansing" of the clans in the Highlands. Thousands of "clan" members were murdered by the English and purged from the country.

So, does it offend me? a Scottish descendant of Scots? Nope. Makes me proud of my heritage.

Still, though, I don't get the "guilt" associated with these goofy "mascots" of ANY team. Why the hell would ANYONE be upset about the arrowhead on a helmet? Or calling the chiefs the "Chiefs"? I've never killed an indian in my life.

[DJJasonp]

Is Rachel Phelps behind this????!!!!

[alnorth]

Then they aren't really getting rid of it.

According to the Indians and MLB, they have to maintain a small retail presence to keep control over the logo. They probably could still fight people who try to sell knockoff Chief Wahoo's, but its apparently a lot easier to get injunctions and such from a judge if they can simply point to a couple stores in Cleveland where they are still making money off the IP.

You still have to go to the actual physical store though, MLB won't sell Chief Wahoo merch online. The University of North Dakota still sells a limited amount of "Fighting Sioux" marchandise locally for similar reasons, to keep control over the IP.

[GloryDayz]

Dumb.

The victim mentality bs needs to stop.

Words are words...or in this case, a mascot or logo.

You're an adult, move on.Ummmm, Indians kind of live off of lawsuits.

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[ForeverChiefs58]

Political correctness knows no bounds, and wants to attack ALL Indian references:

"American sports businesses such as the NFL's Washington 'Redskins' and Kansas City 'Chiefs', MLB's Cleveland 'Indians' and Atlanta 'Braves', and the NHL's Chicago Black Hawks, continue to profit from harmful stereotypes originated during a time when white superiority and segregation were commonplace."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_mascot_controversy


Idiot polically correctness don’t even know the history of KC Chiefs:

Even though the Kansas City Chiefs we’re named after H. Roe Bartle, a man who made a name for himself as a businessman and philanthropist before devoting his life to public service. He served as Kansas City’s mayor for two terms (1956–1963) and made a lasting impact on the city in more ways than one (his name is on the Convention Center)

Bartle’s legacy is intertwined with the resident football team, as he helped lure the then-Dallas Texans to move to Kansas City. Ownership subsequently changed the team’s name to the Kansas City Chiefs, adopting Bartle’s nickname, “The Chief.”


How long before they go after military names such as Apache helicopters, Black Hawk helicopter, Lakota helicopter, Chinook helicopter, Kiowa helicopter, Cayuse helicopter, Creek trainer helicopter, Huron transport aircraft, Ute electronic intelligence aircraft, Tomahawk missiles etc?

Ridiculous

[ClevelandBronco]

Unfortunate, but completely understandable. Snowflakes must be considered.

[displacedinMN]

According to the Indians and MLB, they have to maintain a small retail presence to keep control over the logo. They probably could still fight people who try to sell knockoff Chief Wahoo's, but its apparently a lot easier to get injunctions and such from a judge if they can simply point to a couple stores in Cleveland where they are still making money off the IP.

You still have to go to the actual physical store though, MLB won't sell Chief Wahoo merch online. The University of North Dakota still sells a limited amount of "Fighting Sioux" merchandise locally for similar reasons, to keep control over the IP.

All true-in order to own the copyrights to the logo-the owner of the copyright MUST continue to produce that logo to maintain ownership. Otherwise someone else can start to use it.

This is something that I feel the sports associations did not think of. It can never completely go away from the team and from production.

Idiot polically correctness don’t even know the history of KC Chiefs:

Even though the Kansas City Chiefs we’re named after H. Roe Bartle, a man who made a name for himself as a businessman and philanthropist before devoting his life to public service. He served as Kansas City’s mayor for two terms (1956–1963) and made a lasting impact on the city in more ways than one (his name is on the Convention Center)

Bartle’s legacy is intertwined with the resident football team, as he helped lure the then-Dallas Texans to move to Kansas City. Ownership subsequently changed the team’s name to the Kansas City Chiefs, adopting Bartle’s nickname, “The Chief.”

This. Totally. Once and for all.

[ClevelandBronco]

Political correctness knows no bounds, and wants to attack ALL Indian references:

"American sports businesses such as the NFL's Washington 'Redskins' and Kansas City 'Chiefs', MLB's Cleveland 'Indians' and Atlanta 'Braves', and the NHL's Chicago Black Hawks, continue to profit from harmful stereotypes originated during a time when white superiority and segregation were commonplace."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_mascot_controversy


Idiot polically correctness don’t even know the history of KC Chiefs:

Even though the Kansas City Chiefs we’re named after H. Roe Bartle, a man who made a name for himself as a businessman and philanthropist before devoting his life to public service. He served as Kansas City’s mayor for two terms (1956–1963) and made a lasting impact on the city in more ways than one (his name is on the Convention Center)

Bartle’s legacy is intertwined with the resident football team, as he helped lure the then-Dallas Texans to move to Kansas City. Ownership subsequently changed the team’s name to the Kansas City Chiefs, adopting Bartle’s nickname, “The Chief.”


How long before they go after military names such as Apache helicopters, Black Hawk helicopter, Lakota helicopter, Chinook helicopter, Kiowa helicopter, Cayuse helicopter, Creek trainer helicopter, Huron transport aircraft, Ute electronic intelligence aircraft, Tomahawk missiles etc?

Ridiculous

It won't matter. It's about feeeeeeeeeelings.

[RealSNR]

They're not changing the name. They're changing the logo.

It's no different than any other team updating their logo/uniform design

[bsroyals54]

What a politically correct faggot country we live in :rolleyes: :shake:

[BryanBusby]

Seems like good, wholesome family fun.

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/images/jpg/r/red_face.jpg

[cosmo20002]

IT'S PC RUN AMOK!
Now, excuse me while I cry about a couple players kneeling during the national anthem.

/CP morons

[bsroyals54]

Its a slippery slope, once you get to change logos because 5 people were offended, then you can change a lot more for the same reasons. The Chiefs will be targeted in a few years, bank on it. "ARE THEY SAYING ALL INDIANS ARE CHIEFS???" And the tomahawk chop will be labeled a racist gesture and banned from Chiefs games.

[Pablo]

Its a slippery slope, once you get to change logos because 5 people were offended, then you can change a lot more for the same reasons. The Chiefs will be targeted in a few years, bank on it. "ARE THEY SAYING ALL INDIANS ARE CHIEFS???" And the tomahawk chop will be labeled a racist gesture and banned from Chiefs games.This certainly has you all worked up, huh?

How do you feel about players kneeling for the anthem?

[Garcia Bronco]

The Chiefs use of native american iconography is a far cry from Chief Wahoo's caricature.

Just remember the word Chief is a French word. It just means leader.

[alnorth]

Its a slippery slope

No, its not. It only looks like a slippery slope if you are retarded.

[R8RFAN]

Chiefs are next, Let's help rename them

[R8RFAN]

KC BBQers

[R8RFAN]

KC Sister Humpers

[bsroyals54]

No, its not. It only looks like a slippery slope if you are retarded.

Liberalism is cancer

[R8RFAN]

Redskins need to replace the Indian with a Potato and the controversy will be over

http://img-aws.ehowcdn.com/600x600p/photos.demandstudios.com/getty/article/103/172/87750005.jpg

[Baby Lee]

No, its not. It only looks like a slippery slope if you are retarded.

Sure wish those 'tards would evolve a bit. . . .

[Deberg_1990]

Glad it’s gone. I was outraged

[Frazod]

No, its not. It only looks like a slippery slope if you are retarded.

Actually, you only get offended by a fucking cartoon face if you're retarded.

[Prison Bitch]

No, its not. It only looks like a slippery slope if you are retarded.

Sure wish those 'tards would evolve a bit. . . .

Remember AlNorthtard's awesome election coverage?


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=303623

[BWillie]

Chiefs are next, Let's help rename them

Flying Squirrels.

The Kansas City Flying Squirrels.

Honestly, changing the mascot of your franchise is probably a great thing to do every ten years. Think of all the new gear you get to sell.

[BWillie]

This certainly has you all worked up, huh?

How do you feel about players kneeling for the anthem?

The trick is not being offended by players kneeling for the National Anthem, and also not being offended at a cartoon mascot.

So many years we had too many people that were TOO apathetic about things. I miss those days. I think the more people have apathy to this shit, any shit at all, the better.

I recommend not giving a fuck to anyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wS5xOZ7Rq8

[TribalElder]

People are such pussies now days

[Frazod]

People are such pussies now days

And alnorth is their queen.

[Spott]

Liberalism is cancer

Take your stupid political shit to the DC where it belongs. Nobody gives a fuck about politics here.

[Sannyasi]

I don't have a strong opinion either way but I do think its ironic that the real effect of this is that popular depictions of American Indians are going to disappear.

[Hoopsdoc]

This certainly has you all worked up, huh?

How do you feel about players kneeling for the anthem?

I don’t care about either.

Both are really dumb, though. :shrug:

[Hoopsdoc]

No, its not. It only looks like a slippery slope if you are retarded.

It is a slippery slope, by definition, or there wouldn’t be a continuing succession of these idiotic bannings.

[ClevelandBronco]

Remember AlNorthtard's awesome election coverage?


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=303623

That poor, lonely imbecile.

[Red Dawg]

Indians got the Casinos. What the hell else can they bitch about.

[Al Bundy]

White males aren't offended, so it can't be offensive.

[GloryDayz]

Seems like good, wholesome family fun.

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/images/jpg/r/red_face.jpg

Meh. Freedom of speech...

[GloryDayz]

IT'S PC RUN AMOK!
Now, excuse me while I cry about a couple players kneeling during the national anthem.

/CP morons

Yeah, but the Indians were conquered. They lost. They, and you, should deal with it.

[GloryDayz]

Chiefs are next, Let's help rename them

The Conquerors.

[GloryDayz]

Take your stupid political shit to the DC where it belongs. Nobody gives a fuck about politics here.

Yeah, because there's no politics behind this action. :rolleyes:

[GloryDayz]

I don't have a strong opinion either way but I do think its ironic that the real effect of this is that popular depictions of American Indians are going to disappear.

Yeah, let's hope the benefits Indian nation gets are the next thing to be pulled. As a people they were conquered a long time ago, we've hooked them up for long enough, so it might be time to use actions like this to let that part of history, well, fade away.

[GloryDayz]

White males aren't offended, so it can't be offensive.

We won, they need to embrace that.

[Baby Lee]

The trick is not being offended by players kneeling for the National Anthem, and also not being offended at a cartoon mascot.

This is the interesting juxtaposition for me.

'People who are offended by taking a knee are retarded because they refuse to understand that taking a knee when the military presents the flag for the anthem has nothing to do with the military, anthem or flag.'

'People who aren't offended by mascots are retarded because, even if you argue that the purpose is to celebrate, not denigrate, the right to offense resides exclusively with the offended.'

Where is the right to respect for offense absolute, and when is it subject to scrutiny or consensus?

[GloryDayz]

So Indian nation lasted from some time after the land bridge happened, until they got their asses kicked and gave up in the late 19th century?

Welp, it was a good run...

[-King-]

IT'S PC RUN AMOK!
Now, excuse me while I cry about a couple players kneeling during the national anthem.

/CP morons

ROFL
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[GloryDayz]

How do you say "Russia" in Injun? And is Vodka firewater?

[BryanBusby]

Meh. Freedom of speech...
Ya, it worked both ways. The Native Americans used it to voice their displeasure and the MLB agreed.

[007]

Chiefs are next, Let's help rename them

Kansas City One and Dones

[Hammock Parties]

Kansas City One and Dones

Kansas City Cucks!

It has a nice ring to it.

[wazu]

Kansas City Cucks!

It has a nice ring to it.

We could still do the national anthem thing with this.

[chiefforlife]

Perfect solution, replace Chief Wahoo with Elizabeth Warren as the mascot.
Liberals will cheer!!

[penchief]

The loser in all of this is the reasonable middle ground. People want to jump all over something like this so they can vent about their political agenda or personal bias without thinking objectively.

Native Americans have the right to be offended by a racist image that projects negatively on their culture or heritage. Many of those things are offensive and dishonest representations that do a disservice to the truth. And those of us who have never walked in their shoes are in no position to mock their offense to something they view as degrading. In this regard, I completely understand how the name Redskins and the image of Chief Wahoo are highly offensive to Native Americans.

That said, it is also reasonable to defend names such as Braves and Chiefs, or images such as tomahawks and arrowheads, as positive projections deferential to Native American Culture. After all, every one of us share in the history of this country regardless of our cultural heritage. And as Americans we all have the right to celebrate the history of this country. But we don't have the right to systemically degrade entire races of people because we believe it is our birthright.

[vailpass]

The loser in all of this is the reasonable middle ground. People want to jump all over something like this so they can vent about their political agenda or personal bias without thinking objectively.

Native Americans have the right to be offended by a racist image that projects negatively on their culture or heritage. Many of those things are offensive and dishonest representations that do a disservice to the truth. And those of us who have never walked in their shoes are in no position to mock their offense to something they view as degrading. In this regard, I completely understand how the name Redskins and the image of Chief Wahoo are highly offensive to Native Americans.

That said, it is also reasonable to defend names such as Braves and Chiefs, or images such as tomahawks and arrowheads, as positive projections deferential to Native American Culture. After all, every one of us share in the history of this country regardless of our cultural heritage. And as Americans we all have the right to celebrate the history of this country. But we don't have the right to systemically degrade entire races of people because we believe it is our birthright.

Tough shit. Should have fought harder.

[penchief]

Tough shit. Should have fought harder.

You're right. But if you decide to commit genocide you should finish the job. If we had ethnically cleansed the nation of Native Americans we wouldn't have to put up with all this whining today.

[vailpass]

You're right. But if you decide to commit genocide you should finish the job. If we had ethnically cleansed the nation of Native Americans we wouldn't have to put up with all this whining today.

Good point.

[GloryDayz]

Ya, it worked both ways. The Native Americans used it to voice their displeasure and the MLB agreed.

Agreed? "Caved" is more like it.

[TimeForWasp]

The Kansas City Scalpers.

[GloryDayz]

The Kansas City Scalpers.

Indians would still complain. That's what they do.

[TribalElder]

Indians got the Casinos. What the hell else can they bitch about.

The Kansas City Casinos

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Kansas City Generics - We could just have plain white helmets, pants and Jerseys to ensure no one is ever offended.

[Coochie liquor]

They should change their names to "Cleveland Caucasians."

I’ve had the displeasure of going to Cleveland before. Not a fitting title!

I also think Chiefs should change to the Kansas City Mahomes!!