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oaklandhater
02-05-2018, 12:37 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/05/super-bowl-52-eagles-patriots-peter-king-mmqb

Doug Pederson says coaching aggressively is the way to win the Super Bowl, coaching conservatively is the way to go 8-8


The Philly Special: Inside the ‘Set of Stones’ Play Call That Helped the Eagles Win the Super Bowl

By PETER KING February 05, 2018
MINNEAPOLIS — Thirty Eagles bounced to the beat of a popular rap song, “MotorSport,” an hour after the pulsating Super Bowl 52 victory over the dynastic Patriots. White, black, players, coaches, one equipment guy at least. When the deafening song was over, 50-year-old Doug Pederson, one of the unlikeliest Super Bowl-winning head coaches ever, found his way to the front of his men for his post-game address.

“I can’t tell you how happy I am!” the hoarse Pederson said, straining to be heard, his face a road map of glee. “World champions! World champions! This is what you’ve accomplished—it’s for this moment right here!”

Then he said: “An individual can make a difference, but a team makes a miracle!”

One player yelled: “Coach of the year!”

If the balloting included the post-season, and counted three straight wins as underdogs, the award would be Pederson’s. But he’s fine with this award for his team and his football-loving city: Eagles 41, Patriots 33, in what could well be the single biggest sports victory in the history of Philadelphia.

The Eagles are NFL champions for the first time in the Super Bowl era, for the first time since three weeks before the inauguration of John F. Kennedy. And it never would have happened without the head coach whom USA Today ranked seventh of seven new NFL coaching hires in January 2016.

“He’s got a big set of stones,” offensive coordinator Frank Reich said, trying to find the words just before the clock struck 12 Sunday night.

That’ll do.

Doug Pederson is a coach of the people. No idea is too weird. No time to run a play is ever inopportune. I don’t mean to say this should be his legacy, but it might turn out to be. He is a Super Bowl champion in his second year as an NFL head coach, in part, because of one of the strangest play calls in Super Bowl history, called on fourth down late in the first half in a three-point game, the biggest game of his life.

The Patriots are flying home losers today despite putting up a Super Bowl-record 613 yards and despite Tom Brady playing one of the games of his life. They are flying home losers because a head coach who was a backup NFL quarterback (Pederson) and an offensive coordinator who was a backup NFL quarterback (Reich) and a quarterback who was a backup NFL quarterback (Foles) beat Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. They knew the only chance to beat the Patriots was to call a top-secret play when it wouldn’t have mattered if the Patriots had 15 players on defense.

Inside the Eagles’ locker room, I got Pederson alone and asked where this football ethos came from.

“Playing quarterback, watching a lot of teams, a lot of football,” he said. “You learn if you play passive, if you play conservative, if you call plays conservatively, you are going to be 8-8, 9-7 every year. Every year. Frank and I just having that collaborative spirit to talk about things and talk with our quarterbacks and just come up with ways of keeping this game fresh and fun and exciting for our players. And that's really where it all stems from.”

In this case, the key moment of the game, and of the season, came when Pederson, the Eagles’ play-caller, looked over his play sheet and fixated on the play he has loved for three weeks.

Target left bunch, Philly special.

On Saturday night, Pederson said to Reich: “We’ll build a lead, and in the third or fourth quarter, that play will be the dagger.”

I love five parts of this play.

• Reich told me the kernel of the idea originated from an industrious Eagles quality-control coach, Press Taylor. Said Reich: “Press has this, what we call this vault of trick plays. It's an immense vault, so every week we go into Press's vault looking for plays.” Taylor, it appears, found the play in a meaningless Week 17 game in 2016. At 1:10 this morning, The MMQB’s Kalyn Kahler found a play from the Chicago-Minnesota game that doubtless led to Target left bunch, Philly special. Bears running back Jeremy Langford took a direct snap from center, quarterback Matt Barkley lined up behind the right tackle, and wideout Cam Meredith circled back behind Langford and took a pitch from him. Barkley leaked out of the backfield into the end zone. No one covered him. At the 11-yard line, Meredith tossed the ball to Barkley, two yards deep in the end zone. Touchdown. Watch that play and keep it in mind. You’ll need it. “We’re fine with ideas coming from anywhere,” Reich said. “Doug loves ideas.”

• The Patriots are known for their exhaustive research to discover the roots of a play, with mad scientist/analytics expert Ernie Adams knowing every play a team might run going back at least a couple of years. But if a play hasn’t been run by the Eagles, how would Adams have seen it? And how would Belichick and defensive coordinator Matt Patricia been able to prepare for it?

• Why Burton as the triggerman? He was recruited as a dual-threat quarterback out of high school in Florida. He pitched in high school. So Pederson knew Burton could throw it—and he saw it when the team practiced the play some this month. And the Eagles knew the Patriots wouldn’t expect Burton to throw a pass. In his four NFL seasons, he hadn’t thrown a single one.

• The Super Bowl’s a big stage. The Eagles practiced the play in privacy back in Philadelphia—in fact, they thought they might use it against Minnesota but didn’t need it in the 38-7 NFC title win 15 days ago—but once they got to Minneapolis, they didn’t want to expose it to prying eyes of outsiders, a few of whom are at every practice. They ran it twice on Friday afternoon in a walk-through practice at their Mall of America hotel, the Radisson Blu, a five-minute walk from the Orange Julius, seven minutes from Shake Shack. On one of the attempts, Burton threw behind Foles, but the quarterback reached behind him and made a nice grab. Burton didn’t beg, but he asked Pederson stridently, “Can we run this?”

• Foles had not been thrown a pass since his first season quarterbacking the Arizona Wildcats in 2009. He caught it … for a loss of nine yards.

This is what it takes to stun the Patriots: a play they’d never seen run by the Eagles, with a passer who’d never thrown an NFL pass, and a receiver who’d never been thrown an NFL pass.

Run in the Super Bowl, in a three-point game, against the best team of the generation. Burton’s glad he didn’t have much time to think about it.

“It was fourth down,” I said to him. “It was fourth down in the Super Bowl!”

“Doug’s got some guts, doesn’t he?” Burton said.

Eagles 15, Patriots 12. Third-and-goal from the Pats’ one, with 41 seconds left.

“I made up my mind we were going for it on fourth down if we didn’t make it on third,” Pederson said.

Incomplete. Fourth-and-goal now.

“We had a couple of options at that point, but then my eyes just kind of hit that play,” Pederson said. “I was thinking, ‘We keep talking about that play, and calling it in the second half of the game … but are we going to be in a situation like this, to put us up by two scores? There are certain plays that you spend time doing them, repping them, and you have no doubt they are going to work. Without a shadow of a doubt you know. I knew.”

Pederson called into his headset to Foles: “Target left bunch, Philly special.”

This is about to be a touchdown, guard Stefan Wisniewski thought when he heard the call.

“The end was a little wider than I thought,” Foles said. “So I really had to sell it like I’m not doing anything. It worked.”

You can cue up the Bears’ play at Minnesota from 25 months ago. It is a precise carbon copy, all the way down to Burton taking the pitch, throwing from his 11 and Foles catching it two yards deep. No one there. Touchdown.

“That play is Doug epitomized,” Reich said. “That play is our team, our season.”

So the Eagles took a 22-12 lead at the half. New England assumed a brief second-half lead, but from the half, it was like the Patriots were always playing uphill. New England is good at it, but the Eagles keep counter-punching.

carcosa
02-05-2018, 12:40 PM
Thank you

Best22
02-05-2018, 12:50 PM
When Pederson was with the Packers, Favre threw a deep bomb for a touchdown in both Superbowl appearances.

Pederson learned well

Prison Bitch
02-05-2018, 12:58 PM
Already posted dude

AssEaterChief
02-05-2018, 12:58 PM
Great coaching by Pederson

At least the Chiefs have Reid though…. LOL

Rain Man
02-05-2018, 01:17 PM
Doug Pederson says coaching aggressively is the way to win the Super Bowl

(Looking back at every Chiefs playoff game since 1971.)

Yep, this checks out.

siberian khatru
02-05-2018, 01:18 PM
"I just asked myself, 'What would Andy Reid do?,' then I did the opposite."

KChiefs1
02-05-2018, 01:36 PM
"I just asked myself, 'What would Andy Reid do?,' then I did the opposite."



He George Costanza'd it.

Ragged Robin
02-05-2018, 02:08 PM
Idiots on this board want to make it all about Foles vs Smith but Fat Andy has been the elephant in the room the whole time. The Eagles were rolling LONG BEFORE Foles came in and Pederson is the common denominator.

We even saw hints of it in the Titans game and throughout the season: Nagy calling the plays equals the offense is off the leash. Reid calling the plays equals the offense is limp dicked, especially in regards to situational football and the flow of the game. Reid's offense is great, there is no denying that. It succeeding without him is cemented proof. Outside of his scripted first drives, Reid is a horrible play caller and a detriment to his team.

Sassy Squatch
02-05-2018, 02:10 PM
Idiots on this board want to make it all about Foles vs Smith but Fat Andy has been the elephant in the room the whole time. The Eagles were rolling LONG BEFORE Foles came in and Pederson is the common denominator.

We even saw hints of it in the Titans game and throughout the season: Nagy calling the plays equals the offense is off the leash. Reid calling the plays equals the offense is limp dicked, especially in regards to situational football and the flow of the game. Reid's offense is great, there is no denying that. It succeeding without him is cemented proof. Outside of his scripted first drives, Reid is a horrible play caller.
Reid has had pretty good success with McNabb and to a lesser extent Vick. The REAL elephant is why did Reid decide to hitch his wagon to Smith for so long when it was proven time and time and time again he wasn't the guy.

Ragged Robin
02-05-2018, 02:13 PM
Reid has had pretty good success with McNabb and to a lesser extent Vick. The REAL elephant is why did Reid decide to hitch his wagon to Smith for so long when it was proven time and time and time again he wasn't the guy.

and yet he had the same limp dick problems during big games as he did here. Can you explain that? He masterly crafted a great offensive system, yet has proven time and again (see: Pederson, Nagy) that he isn't the best person to run it. As a teacher and a leader, sure, I have no doubt he is excellent. As a play caller on game day? Nope.

JakeF
02-05-2018, 02:18 PM
It not just about being agressive, the Eagles also played without making a bunch of stupid mistakes. The didn't have penalties while still playing physical football. They had trick plays but ran them without looking like the keystone kops.

Polished
physical
aggressive
well-coached

Iowanian
02-05-2018, 02:32 PM
WWARD?

What Would Andy Reid do? The opposite of Doug Pederson.

notorious
02-05-2018, 03:12 PM
Take notes you fat fuck.

KCrockaholic
02-05-2018, 03:14 PM
WWARD?

What Would Andy Reid do? The opposite of Doug Pederson.

Andy would've jumped out to that 15-3 lead and called it a day with that aggressive playcalling. It would've been screens all night from there on.

notorious
02-05-2018, 03:15 PM
Andy would've jumped out to that 15-3 lead and called it a day with that aggressive playcalling. It would've been screens all night from there on.

I can't imagine how fucking angry I would be today because you are 10000% correct.

MVChiefFan
02-05-2018, 03:15 PM
Reid is literally the Alex Smith of coaching. Good enough to get you to the playoffs, but lacks the balls and mindset to succeed when he gets there. They fool you at first, then all of the sudden it’s several years down the road and you have no idea why you want to murder everyone you see.

ChiTown
02-05-2018, 03:17 PM
“You learn if you play passive, if you play conservative, if you call plays conservatively, you are going to be 8-8, 9-7 every year. Every year."

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Jack-Nicholson-Crying.gif

notorious
02-05-2018, 03:18 PM
“You learn if you play passive, if you play conservative, if you call plays conservatively, you are going to be 8-8, 9-7 every year. Every year."

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Jack-Nicholson-Crying.gif

That gif is fantastic. Good work.

-King-
02-05-2018, 03:31 PM
The funny thing is the same people saying Reid was too conservative are also the same people complaining about him not giving the ball to Hunt that much in the 2nd half.
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Ragged Robin
02-05-2018, 03:36 PM
The funny thing is the same people saying Reid was too conservative are also the same people complaining about him not giving the ball to Hunt that much in the 2nd half.
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what's better, a two step bubble screen everyone already knows is coming or running Hunt?

notorious
02-05-2018, 03:42 PM
The funny thing is the same people saying Reid was too conservative are also the same people complaining about him not giving the ball to Hunt that much in the 2nd half.
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Because the 2 are directly tied together......

-King-
02-05-2018, 03:56 PM
Because the 2 are directly tied together......

Running the ball more isn't being more conservative? Pedersen did exactly what Reid was trying to do except his team and QB actually executed. He got cute in crucial moments and kept passing when they had the lead. Same as Reid. I can't even imagine the reaction if Reid goes for it on 4th down by the goal line and runs a trick play pass to the QB. Actually I've seen it. The only difference is eagles players pulled it off and ours didn't. The coaching was the exact same.
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RippedmyFlesh
02-05-2018, 04:01 PM
Reid is literally the Alex Smith of coaching. Good enough to get you to the playoffs, but lacks the balls and mindset to succeed when he gets there. They fool you at first, then all of the sudden it’s several years down the road and you have no idea why you want to murder everyone you see.

The murder rate in philly is lower than when reid was coach.

http://data.philly.com/philly/crime/homicides/

NJChiefsFan
02-05-2018, 05:08 PM
He made a number of good, gutsy calls. I will say this though, he almost screwed his team by going for 2 in the 1st quarter. That was a stupid call, always is to chase the points, and they damn near lost 33-32 because of it.

TEX
02-05-2018, 05:48 PM
He made a number of good, gutsy calls. I will say this though, he almost screwed his team by going for 2 in the 1st quarter. That was a stupid call, always is to chase the points, and they damn near lost 33-32 because of it.

How about that 4th and 2 call at mid field with 5 mins to go??? STONES man - STONES!

TwistedChief
02-05-2018, 05:55 PM
Andy would've jumped out to that 15-3 lead and called it a day with that aggressive playcalling. It would've been screens all night from there on.

It's just sad because you're so very right. I think I was pretty slow in even seeing the pattern here, but going back and reading some of the Eagles complaints of Andy Reid, they are exactly identical to what we're suffering from.

To be clear I generally believe that fans of teams that lose perpetually all tend to sound like the same whiny little bitches, but the Andy Reid complaints have a remarkably familiar echo.

Our only hope to overcome this clusterf***age is Mahomes.

MVChiefFan
02-05-2018, 06:07 PM
The murder rate in philly is lower than when reid was coach.

http://data.philly.com/philly/crime/homicides/

:clap:

Deberg_1990
02-05-2018, 06:17 PM
Andy Reid never runs trick plays!

/Dontari Poe

JakeF
02-05-2018, 08:47 PM
The funny thing is the same people saying Reid was too conservative are also the same people complaining about him not giving the ball to Hunt that much in the 2nd half.
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The sad thing is that you think being aggressive means you can't run the ball.