Shaquem Griffin. Would U draft him?

[wheeler08]

Play GM. Would you draft him after seeing his performance at combine? If so what round do you think he goes in?
Read a good article on him about the chip on his shoulder and living in the football facility at UCF on an air mattress.
I had heard about him early last season but never watched UCF play till their bowl game. Then he was chasing down RBs and sacking the QB, it wasn’t till over halfway thru the game that I realized he only had one hand.
Article I read said he was suited for a 3-4 defense and needed to put on some weight. And was better suited for zone as opposed to man to man. And would probably have to move from outside to inside LB

[BryanBusby]

Absolutely

I'd find a spot for him somewhere.

[In58men]

Raw talent

/CP

[O.city]

Yes

[Bewbies]

Yep. That dude is amazing.

[mcaj22]

Yes. this defense needs speed and he would fit somewhere either at ILB or that hybrid nickel safety/LB.

[banecat]

Maybe

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Not familiar with him but if he doesn't need a helping hand I'm good.

[wheeler08]

What round do you think he goes? Article said 5-6th round. I can’t believe we had to send the Rams a 6th to take Peters. Good grief.... but I don’t think Griffin will be there in the 6th. I think he’d make a good compliment to Ragland. Surely he’s better than Zombo on the outside

[O.city]

Maybe the 4th?

[notorious]

Dude is a combine riser. He will go by the 3rd if not earlier.

[NWTF]

He looked really good in their bowl game. Instinctive player always around the ball. NFL will be huge step up in opponent size and speed for him so who knows if he could be a liability at times, but I think he will make it. He seemed undersized against LSU but just kept making plays. I dont know the grade they have on him, but a day 2 pick?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Maybe the 4th?

We need to use our 4th for the punter from Texas.

[staylor26]

I’d conder him as early as our second 3rd, but I’d probably prefer to take him in the 4th.

[Spott]

It depends. I need to know how he feels about national anthems and such.

[Mennonite]

Bring him in for a hook.

[TrebMaxx]

I just don't know. This one stumps me.

[Simply Red]

single-handedly won this combine! Hand up!

[DaneMcCloud]

Yes, I’d take him in the 4th, if he’s there

[Pitt Gorilla]

It depends. I need to know how he feels about national anthems and such.Honestly, that's the only thing that matters.

[Couch-Potato]

How about Maurice Hurst DT and his heart condition?

or

Troy Fumagalii TE missing an index finger?

[carcosa]

He ran a faster 40 than Saquon Barkley

[Simply Red]

He ran a faster 40 than Saquon Barkley

yup

[carcosa]

yup

ya

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Not trying to be a dick—can he intercept passes?

If not, I don’t know...

[Why Not?]

Not trying to be a dick—can he intercept passes?

If not, I don’t know...

It's a fair question. I'm guessing he can sometimes, depending on if he can tip the ball to himself or get it in his arms. But, how many interceptions are you really banking on any LB getting in a season? 1 or 2, for the most part? I would draft this kid. Hell of an internal motivation and talent to have made it this far. Some team will take the risk and I'm guessing, get the reward.

[DaneMcCloud]

Not trying to be a dick—can he intercept passes?

If not, I don’t know...

18.5 sacks, 4 Forced Fumbles, 2 INT’s, 100 solo tackles and 66 assists in the past two seasons at UCF.

I’d say he can play.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Not trying to be a dick—can he intercept passes?

If not, I don’t know...He's a badass. Period.

[carcosa]

Not trying to be a dick—can he intercept passes?

If not, I don’t know...

DJ dropped so many picks you'd think he had no hands

[lawrenceRaider]

He ran a faster 40 than Saquon Barkley

Less wind resistance.

[bigjosh]

Kid is a baller. I would take him in the late second. Way more developed than Tanoh, and actually played against decent competition in college.

[stumppy]

Of course I would. Sounds like he's a pussy gettin, big dicked, QB killin, WR smashin, stud of a football player.

[Beef Supreme]

He and Jason Pierre Paul can get together and buy gloves.

But seriously, dude can play.

[Chief Roundup]

Of course I would. Sounds like he's a pussy gettin, big dicked, QB killin, WR smashin, stud of a football player.

Your handle wouldn't have anything to do with your feelings????

[carcosa]

Less wind resistance.

Shut up bitch!!!!!

[stumppy]

Your handle wouldn't have anything to do with your feelings????

That may have been more of an inner reflection than outer observation.:D

[Pablo]

I watched him play earlier this season and noticed he was out there crushing folks. Always around the ball. I wondered why they were focusing on him so much, and they showed his hand after a few plays and I would have never known he had any impairment by just watching him.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

He's not playing DE, and he runs like a CB. He should have a first round grade, and if he's there in the second, the Chiefs should sprint up to the podium to take him.

[Why Not?]

18.5 sacks, 4 Forced Fumbles, 2 INT’s, 100 solo tackles and 66 assists in the past two seasons at UCF.

I’d say he can play.

That's all the evidence I need. Draft this man!

[wheeler08]

I watched him play earlier this season and noticed he was out there crushing folks. Always around the ball. I wondered why they were focusing on him so much, and they showed his hand after a few plays and I would have never known he had any impairment by just watching him.

Exactly. I thought how the hell does a one hand man tackle a guy but you’d never know it watching him! I’d like to see video of his interceptions! Hands down, a better tackler than Peters!

[O.city]

He's not playing DE, and he runs like a CB. He should have a first round grade, and if he's there in the second, the Chiefs should sprint up to the podium to take him.

Do you play him at ILB?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Do you play him at ILB?

You could play a guy with that production and athleticism all over the middle of the field.

[O.city]

You could play a guy with that production and athleticism all over the middle of the field.

Someone made the comparison to Hassan Riddick and it seems somewhat appropriate.

But so much of defensive play is hand usage it’s gonna play a part in the eval

[Chief Roundup]

Exactly. I thought how the hell does a one hand man tackle a guy but you’d never know it watching him! I’d like to see video of his interceptions! Hands down, a better tackler than Peters!

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1:00 mark and the 2:00 marks are his interceptions.

[RealSNR]

JPP basically plays with one hand just fine.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Someone made the comparison to Hassan Riddick and it seems somewhat appropriate.

But so much of defensive play is hand usage it’s gonna play a part in the eval

For a lineman or a CB it may be, but he's proven himself to be an excellent player with one hand, and he can still help wrap up with the other arm. It's not like he's going to be jamming people at the line or hand-fighting in the trenches.

[Gravedigger]

He's definitely mastered his ability. I would love to have him and I wouldn't see a downside.

[Chief Roundup]

Do you play him at ILB?

With his speed he might be the extra LB/S type that we keep in on certain sets to help against the run and pass depending on what the offense does in those down and medium distance situations instead of Sorenson or another safety.

[wheeler08]

Thanks for the vid! That INT in coverage was great. What I’m most impressed with is his tackling. He wraps up every single one of them! It’s not trying to knock guys over with his shoulder pads. Maybe he can teach our guys how to tackle!

[vailpass]

Not with a high pick. The NFL isn't college and there is a question as to whether he'll be able to shed and wrap with one hand. If he was around in the 5th he'd be worth a shot. Just mho.

[O.city]

For a lineman or a CB it may be, but he's proven himself to be an excellent player with one hand, and he can still help wrap up with the other arm. It's not like he's going to be jamming people at the line or hand-fighting in the trenches.

Don’t disagree but at ILB he’s gonna be asked to do a lot

I think he’s be great in the hybrid ILB safety role

[The Bad Guy]

Take him in the 3rd. He'd be the perfect hybrid dime linebacker.

[Mennonite]

there is a question as to whether he'll be able to shed and wrap with one hand.


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[KChiefs1]

Yes

[mcaj22]

Take him in the 3rd. He'd be the perfect hybrid dime linebacker.

would you reach for him in the 2nd?

[bigjosh]

would you reach for him in the 2nd?

I would. the kid is driven.

Did you see his letter to NFL personnel departments? Its like Mahomes was last year.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/shaquem-griffin-ucf-nfl-draft-letter-to-general-managers/

[The Bad Guy]

would you reach for him in the 2nd?

I'd be tempted. Kid can play. If you watched UCF games, you constantly saw him. He will be a glue guy in the locker room and on practice field.

We need speed on this defense and players with great instincts. He has all of that with a ton of talent.

[Strongside]

Hell yes.

[Fish]

He would probably be a handy addition to the defense.

[The Franchise]

would you reach for him in the 2nd?

I wouldn’t be mad if they did.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

If there are two 3rds, I'd spend one on him. He plays a position we need to fill and his determination, talent, and drive are fairly unquestionable.
He's definitely got the "Chiefs player"-vibe.

[vailpass]

would you reach for him in the 2nd?

I see you.

[Iconic]

Different question to ask:
If he had two hands where do you think he'd be drafted based of measurables and game tape?

[O.city]

Probably first round

[staylor26]

Probably first round

Definitely

[AssEaterChief]

What round do you think he goes? Article said 5-6th round. I can’t believe we had to send the Rams a 6th to take Peters. Good grief.... but I don’t think Griffin will be there in the 6th. I think he’d make a good compliment to Ragland. Surely he’s better than Zombo on the outside

He'll go in the 2nd round, hands down..

[RunKC]

He reminds me of Eric Kendricks, but faster. Very similar players IMO

[ThaVirus]

I would. the kid is driven.

Did you see his letter to NFL personnel departments? Its like Mahomes was last year.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/shaquem-griffin-ucf-nfl-draft-letter-to-general-managers/

Good read. I'm rooting for him.

[big nasty kcnut]

Yeah draft him I like his drive.

[AssEaterChief]

I would. the kid is driven.

Did you see his letter to NFL personnel departments? Its like Mahomes was last year.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/shaquem-griffin-ucf-nfl-draft-letter-to-general-managers/

Was the letter hand written?

[Prison Bitch]

Just put him on the all hands team

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

:facepalm:

[Couch-Potato]

Where would you play him? ILB/OLB/S...sounds like he can do all three?

[Nickhead]

would he be called for holding or facemasks half as much?

i joke, what five minutes i have watched of him on youtube is far greater than the highlight reel of demetrius harris to this point :D

[ForeverChiefs58]

His twin brother is a CB, is just as fast, has two hands, and was drafted by Seattle last year in the 3rd round

[ForeverChiefs58]

Shaquill and Shaquem Griffin faceoff in 40 yard dash

Really need to be able to embed on phone

https://youtu.be/kEWPQEYrkFA

[wheeler08]

His brother was highly recruited for big schools and he wouldn’t play for anyone unless they brought on his brother. Just an amazing story all around.
Someone joked would he get called for holding. In the highlight video some of his tackles are borderline horse collar.

[ThaVirus]

His twin brother is a CB, is just as fast, has two hands, and was drafted by Seattle last year in the 3rd round

Quem has like 30 pounds on Quill, though.

[The Franchise]

NFL Media's Ian Rapoport spoke with one NFL coach who believes UCF LB Shaquem Griffin is now a fourth-round pick.

We love to hear this, and the fourth-round might be a safe projection. The conversation has shifted a bit from Griffin being a core special teams player to now potential off-ball linebacker. We have always thought he was the latter thanks to his closing speed and relentless motor.

[rico]

I would not consider him. Wouldn’t be able to trip guys up with his missing hand if he needed to resort to that.

[vailpass]

I would not consider him. Wouldn’t be able to trip guys up with his missing hand if he needed to resort to that.

Finally someone else speaks up. It's the NFL not college. The legitimate question as to whether he can grip,grab, and shed adequately at the pro level makes him a gamble best suited for the lower rounds.

I suspect some are allowing the feel-good story to cloud their judgement.

[rico]

would he be called for holding or facemasks half as much?

i joke, what five minutes i have watched of him on youtube is far greater than the highlight reel of demetrius harris to this point :D

I know this is a joke, but really...he could expose these official’s biases... Say they call him for holding or face mask with that hand, not realizing he doesn’t have one...people would be like...”uhhhh...yeah, that’s not physically possible.”

[Titty Meat]

He's everything our defense was missing last year

[O.city]

Finally someone else speaks up. It's the NFL not college. The legitimate question as to whether he can grip,grab, and shed adequately at the pro level makes him a gamble best suited for the lower rounds.

I suspect some are allowing the feel-good story to cloud their judgement.

It hasn't effected him yet in terms of playing football though.

Granted it would limit the position he could play I guess so there is that.

[bigjosh]

Finally someone else speaks up. It's the NFL not college. The legitimate question as to whether he can grip,grab, and shed adequately at the pro level makes him a gamble best suited for the lower rounds.

I suspect some are allowing the feel-good story to cloud their judgement.

There are questions as to weather any prospect can shed and tackle consistently in the NFL.

I guess it depends on where teams would want to use the guy. He is kind of a hybrid player. He can rush the passer, he is always around the ball. I watched a few UCF games and I didnt even know he had one hand until an announcer mentioned it after I had watched like 3 of their games this year.

[Fish]

Damn....

Even to a mother, the scream from her 4-year-old was more urgent and scary than anything she had heard before.

Tangie Griffin jumped out of bed and went to the bedroom where her twin sons slept. Shaquill was there, but Shaquem wasn't. She frantically searched the house and found him in the kitchen.

He had climbed to the silverware drawer and was threatening to cut his fingers off with a knife he held in his right hand.

"All I could do was take the knife away," Tangie said. "He kept screaming that his hand hurt. I picked him up and rocked him back to sleep. And then I called the doctor."

The next day, Shaquem Griffin's left hand was amputated.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/more/la-sp-ucf-griffin-hand-20171220-story.html

[rico]

Finally someone else speaks up. It's the NFL not college. The legitimate question as to whether he can grip,grab, and shed adequately at the pro level makes him a gamble best suited for the lower rounds.

I suspect some are allowing the feel-good story to cloud their judgement.

I agree.

One of my friends in my grade played football and was on the wrestling team with me. He was a pretty good football player and decent wrestler until 8th grade when he blew his hand off with a firecracker of some sort. In football, we had to move him from OLB/CB/WR to nose and OG...those were the only positions he could still play at an efficient level with his missing hand.

In wrestling, he went from having a diverse skill-set and was able to utilize a variety of moves to being a guy who had to rely on just headlocks and throws, for he couldn’t control the opponents’ wrists. He went from being a guy who won 80% of his matches, to maybe 40% because that missing hand limited him so badly.

[vailpass]

It hasn't effected him yet in terms of playing football though.

Granted it would limit the position he could play I guess so there is that.

NFL vs. College. I want the guy to succeed as much as anybody. It's just business.

[bigjosh]

It hasn't effected him yet in terms of playing football though.

Granted it would limit the position he could play I guess so there is that.

If this kid had two hands we would be talking about him as a day one pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fab6L3glBa0

http://proxy.espn.com/video/clip?id=17919707

Somebody will steal him in the third, and it will be a steal.

[vailpass]

I agree.

One of my friends in my grade played football and was on the wrestling team with me. He was a pretty good football player and decent wrestler until 8th grade when he blew his hand off with a firecracker of some sort. In football, we had to move him from OLB/CB/WR to nose and OG...those were the only positions he could still play at an efficient level with his missing hand.

In wrestling, he went from having a diverse skill-set and was able to utilize a variety of moves to being a guy who had to rely on just headlocks and throws, for he couldn’t control the opponents’ wrists. He went from being a guy who won 80% of his matches, to maybe 40% because that missing hand limited him so badly.

Damn I hate to hear that but otoh it sounds like he just rolled with it and didn't let it hold him back from doing what he wanted to do.

But yeah, one hand vs. two hands is a BIG difference no matter how badly people are pulling for the guy.
I'm hoping for him too.
But a one-handed LB in the NFL is a risk.

[rico]

Damn I hate to hear that but otoh it sounds like he just rolled with it and didn't let it hold him back from doing what he wanted to do.

But yeah, one hand vs. two hands is a BIG difference no matter how badly people are pulling for the guy.
I'm hoping for him too.
But a one-handed LB in the NFL is a risk.

He made the most of it...he got some good laughs out of us by putting his “stub” through his zipper in his pants and making it appear as if he had this huge shlong sticking out of his pants. It was really funny.

His nickname was 50 Cent...ironically, this was before the rapper 50 Cent came out...this was in 1997-1998. Anyways, one time, he and I were razzing each other...totally joking with each other. He referenced the Rico Suave song and was like, “yeah, Rico Suave...eating boys’ butts like sushi!” And I came back with something mean...I was like, “yeah 50 PERcent...of your hands!!!” He thought it was hilarious...laughed his ass off. He made light of it.

[rico]

Damn....

Wow... that’s messed up.

[vailpass]

He made the most of it...he got some good laughs out of us by putting his “stub” through his zipper in his pants and making it appear as if he had this huge shlong sticking out of his pants. It was really funny.

His nickname was 50 Cent...ironically, this was before the rapper 50 Cent came out...this was in 1997-1998. Anyways, one time, he and I were razzing each other...totally joking with each other. He referenced the Rico Suave song and was like, “yeah, Rico Suave...eating boys’ butts like sushi!” And I came back with something mean...I was like, “yeah 50 PERcent...of your hands!!!” He thought it was hilarious...laughed his ass off. He made light of it.

:thumb: One of the reasons its great to be a guy.

[big nasty kcnut]

Come on with his combine stats i take a chance on him.

[gblowfish]

50% less chance he'll get a hands to the face penalty...

[raybec 4]

He's everything our defense was missing last year

Pump the brakes man, he's not a run stuffing DL or a dominant pass rusher, or a competent coordinator.

[ForeverChiefs58]

"I think he's got a chance [to be drafted], absolutely," said one NFL scout, who declined to be identified because they were disclosing internal information. "I think he could go later in the draft.”

Shaquem is a good talker — and a huge Seahawks fan. His chance of playing with his brother are about 1 in 32.

[vailpass]

50% less chance he'll get a hands to the face penalty...

Good point.
If he's called for a hold would it be a 5 yard penalty?

[ForeverChiefs58]

No matter where he plays, I’ll wish him the best. Great story.

Not sure he’ll be near as good as his workouts suggest though.

The NFL is much different than college. I think that’s why we see so many Chiefs players who fail to wrap up and make a tackle.

What they could do in college is different because the player they are tackling is way better than what most saw on a weekly basis in college.

There are some that seem to only want him for his story. It feels good when someone can overcome such a serious injury.

No way does he go before his twin brother with both hands went at the end of the 3rd though unless a team drafts with their heart over his story.

I’m sure there are some who would want the drummer from Def Leppard if he had a good 40 time. Even if you showed them a photograph of his injury, they would say he’d play like an animal, and nobody would be foolin him.

[OmahaChief]

My concern with him is that the NFL talent is so much better than the scrubs he played against most weeks. I think he might have a hard time fighting off blockers with only one hand and his nub arm.

He obviously is very talented and deserves a shot but he would be a late round pick for me no matter what. I wish him the best of luck and would love to see him kill it in the NFL.

[saphojunkie]

DJ dropped so many picks you'd think he had no hands

Beat me by four pages.

Also, this dude probably isn't gonna get called for a facemask.

EDIT:

50% less chance he'll get a hands to the face penalty...


I have no original comments on this subject.

[Pitt Gorilla]

As with any good player, part of me hopes he drops and can be picked up by the Chiefs with a late pick.

[A8bil]

I doubt you'll find a harder worker on the field. Guy's an inspiration.

[raybec 4]

He's also not a Mormon, so I doubt we draft him.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Finally someone else speaks up. It's the NFL not college. The legitimate question as to whether he can grip,grab, and shed adequately at the pro level makes him a gamble best suited for the lower rounds.

I suspect some are allowing the feel-good story to cloud their judgement.

I absolutely get where you're coming from on this and those factors MUST be taken in to account.
That said, I see a level of intelligence, passion, and determination that could very possibly offset the concerns.
He'd fit like a glove on this Reid team.

[Kyle DeLexus]

I'd absolutely want him with a late pick. Huge motor guy with measurables. I'd take a chance to say that his intangibles will make up for not have two hands.

[stumppy]

I give that guy a big thumb up for his effort. I heard one scout rated him a 5/10. Also been said a lot of teams are just stumped about what to do with him.

[Kyle DeLexus]

I give that guy a big thumb up for his effort. I heard one scout rated him a 5/10. Also been said a lot of teams are just stumped about what to do with him.

I had a feeling stumppy would be posting in this thread.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Absolutely. I’m sure he’d lend a hand on special teams

[ghak99]

Was he right or left handed?

I might take a stab at grabbing him in the 4th.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

These puns are stumping me as to how I would feel about having such a passionate and driven young man on our team.

[saphojunkie]

JPP thinks this is an easy question.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

But does he bow down to King Clark?

[Mile High Mania]

I think most credible mocks have him near a R5 pick... maybe as high as 4, but I could see him falling to 6.

If you have the picks and the ability to work him in a rotation, why not take a gamble on the kid. Heart and determination are lacking with many of these guys. I think he would be worth a late 5 or beyond.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I could see Elway snagging him in the first. He really is that bad at evaluating talent... Dude took Lynch in the 1st, because KC floated a fake rumor ROFL

[Mile High Mania]

I could see Elway snagging him in the first. He really is that bad at evaluating talent... Dude took Lynch in the 1st, because KC floated a fake rumor ROFL

Heh... Knowmo may take your bait.

[BleedingRed]

I think most credible mocks have him near a R5 pick... maybe as high as 4, but I could see him falling to 6.

If you have the picks and the ability to work him in a rotation, why not take a gamble on the kid. Heart and determination are lacking with many of these guys. I think he would be worth a late 5 or beyond.

If he falls to 5-6 we should pull trigger, guy runs a 4.38 at 220! All he has to do to cover people is get one hand in there.

[ct]

seems half the players in the NFL today dont use their hands to make tackles so why cant he make it? he's got 2 arms and hes strong as hell to push and free up, plus fantastic quicks to avoid contact. I absolutely think this guy can play in the nfl and i'd be very happy to get him in the 4th.

[Bewbies]

He's going higher than round 5. Too fast.

[vailpass]

He's going higher than round 5. Too fast.

What round do you think Flipper will be drafted?

[Bewbies]

What round do you think Flipper will be drafted?

Probably mid 3 to mid 4.

He reminds me of Tebow in that he's got all the intangibles you could ever ask for. Only in his case he can play his position.

I really hope the Chiefs take him.

[Beef Supreme]

Maybe he could wear one of these.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e855eca4a19e61f856afb4a959617cc8-c

[Amnorix]

JPP basically plays with one hand just fine.


Absolutely nothing against Griffin, but JPP HAS a hand, with at least some fingers. Griffin's situation is very different. He just has as stump below the wrist. Much more of a challenge to deal with.

But hey, I hope he gets drafted as high as possible and outperforms all expectations. Credit to him to overcome all odds and get to the point where this conversation is even happening!

[A8bil]

How many NFL WRs have we seen who trap the ball against their chest, rather than catch it with their hands? With TO just accepted to the HOF, that's at least one HOF player who mostly trapped the ball. Vernon Davis has had a great career and he routinely traps the ball. If two great hands are not even required on offense, why is it required on defense?

On defense, how many defensive players have made their mark using arm tackles, or grab and pull someone down? Seems to me, trying to grab with the hands is actually not what defenders typically want to do...sound tackling uses pads.

When I think about it, I think Griffin's disability may have actually forced him to be a more disciplined tackler. Sure seems that way on the film. He should do fine in the NFL.

[Couch-Potato]

Shaquem Griffin for president!