***** Official 2018-2019 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread *****

[saphojunkie]

Fuck the Final Four. Championship or bust, baby.

Will update as people declare for the draft/transfer/commit

ROSTER:


RETURNING PLAYERS
G Legerald Vick - Sr
G Marcus Garrett - Soph
F Udoka Azubuike - Jr.
F Mitch Lightfoot - Jr.
F Silvio De Sousa - Soph.

NOW ELIGIBLE TO PLAY:

G Charlie Moore - RS Soph.

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F KJ Lawson - RS Jr.

2017 AAC Newcomer of the Year
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F Dedric Lawson - RS Jr.

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INCOMING PLAYERS:

SG Quentin Grimes
6'4" - 204 LB
Five star, ESPN 8th best player

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PG Devon Dotson
6'2" - 175lb
5 star, ESPN 24th best player

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C DAVID MCCORMACK
6'10" - 255 lb
4 star - ESPN 28th best player

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SG OCHAI AGBAJI
6'4" - 200 LBS
3 STAR RIVALS, NO ESPN RANKING

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HERE IS THE GROUP AS A WHOLE:

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BYE BYE


Devonte Graham - Get a clean jersey for hanging
Sviatoslav Mikhailiuk - off to the great corner three in the sky
Malik Newman - Don't forget your 80 pound balls, and thanks for the banner
Sam Cunliffe - dat sister ass tho
Honorable mention: Clay Young - you actually got minutes this year? WTF



FULL SCHEDULE:

https://kuathletics.com/documents/2018/9/4//KUMBB_2019_schedule.pdf



LATE NIGHT IN THE PHOG
Sept. 28 Friday
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse) Jayhawk TV/ESPN+ 6:30 p.m.

Oct. 25 Thursday EMPORIA STATE (Exh.)
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
Jayhawk TV/ESPN+ 7 p.m.

Nov. 1 Thursday WASHBURN (Exh.)
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
Jayhawk TV/ESPN+ 7 p.m.

State Farm Champions Classic
Nov. 6 Tuesday vs. Michigan State - W 92-87
Indianapolis, Ind. (Bankers Life Fieldhouse)

NIT Season Tip-Off

Nov. 12 Monday VERMONT
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
TBD TBD

Nov. 16 Friday LOUISIANA (Lafayette)
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
Jayhawk TV/ESPN+ 7 p.m.

Nov. 21 Wednesday Marquette
Brooklyn, N.Y. (Barclays Center)
ESPN2 6 p.m.

Nov. 23 Friday Louisville/Tennessee
Brooklyn, N.Y. (Barclays Center)
ESPN2 6/8 p.m.

Dec. 1 Saturday STANFORD
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
TBD TBD

Dec. 4 Tuesday WOFFORD
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
Jayhawk TV/ESPN+ 7 p.m.

Jayhawk Shootout
Dec. 8 Saturday NEW MEXICO STATE
Kansas City, Mo. (Sprint Center)
TBD TBD

Dec. 15 Saturday VILLANOVA
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
TBD TBD

Dec. 18 Tuesday SOUTH DAKOTA
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
Jayhawk TV/ESPN+ 7 p.m.

Dec. 22 Saturday at Arizona State
Tempe, Ariz. (Wells Fargo Arena)
TBD TBD

Dec. 29 Saturday EASTERN MICHIGAN
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
Jayhawk TV/ESPN+ 1 p.m.

CONFERENCE SCHEDULE
Jan. 2 Wednesday OKLAHOMA*
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
ESPN2/ESPNU 8 p.m.

Jan. 5 Saturday at Iowa State*
Ames, Iowa (Hilton Coliseum)
ESPN2 4 p.m.

Jan. 9 Wednesday TCU*
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
ESPN2/ESPNU 8 p.m.

Jan. 12 Saturday at Baylor*
Waco, Texas (Ferrell Center)
ESPN/ESPN2 3 p.m.

Jan. 14 Monday TEXAS*
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
ESPN/ESPNU 8 p.m.

Jan. 19 Saturday at West Virginia*
Morgantown, W.Va. (WVU Coliseum)
ESPN/ESPN2 1/3/5 p.m.

Jan. 21 Monday IOWA STATE*
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
ESPN/ESPNU 8 p.m.

Jan. 26 Saturday at Kentucky
Lexington, Ky. (Rupp Arena)
ESPN family TBD

Jan. 29 Tuesday at Texas*
Austin, Texas (Erwin Center)
ESPN/ESPN2 6 p.m.

Feb. 2 Saturday TEXAS TECH*
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
CBS 3 p.m.

Feb. 5 Tuesday at Kansas State*
Manhattan, Kan. (Bramlage Coliseum)
ESPN/ESPN2 8 p.m.

Feb. 9 Saturday OKLAHOMA STATE*
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
ESPN/ESPN2 11 a.m.

Feb. 11 Monday at TCU*
Fort Worth, Texas (Ed & Rae Schollmaier Arena)
ESPN/ESPN2 8 p.m.

Feb. 16 Saturday WEST VIRGINIA*
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
ESPN/ESPN2 3/5/7 p.m.

Feb. 23 Saturday at Texas Tech*
Lubbock, Texas (United Supermarkets Arena)
ESPN/ESPN2 5/7 p.m.

Feb. 25 Monday KANSAS STATE*
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU 6/8 p.m.

March 2 Saturday at Oklahoma State*
Stillwater, Okla. (Gallagher-Iba Arena)
CBS 11 a.m.

March 5 Tuesday at Oklahoma*
Norman, Okla. (Lloyd Noble Center)
ESPN/ESPN2 8 p.m.

March 9 Saturday BAYLOR*
Lawrence, Kan. (Allen Fieldhouse)
ESPN/ESPN2 11 a.m.



PHILLIPS 66 BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP


BIG 12 FIRST ROUND
MAR 13 (WED) TBA VS TBA
KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER

BIG 12 QUARTERFINAL
MAR 14 (THU) TBA VS TBA
KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER

BIG 12 SEMIFINAL
MAR 15 (FRI) TBA VS TBA
KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER

BIG 12 FINAL
MAR 16 (SAT) TBA VS TBA
KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER

NCAA MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP:


FIRST ROUND
MAR 21 (THU) MAR 22 (FRI) CBS / TURNER VS TBA CAA
HARTFORD, CONN. / SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH / DES MOINES, IOWA / JACKSONVILLE, FLA. / TULSA, OKLA. / COLUMBUS, OHIO / COLUMBIA, S.C. / SEATTLE, WASH.

NCAA SECOND ROUND
MAR 23 (SAT) MAR 24 (SUN) CBS / TURNER VS TBA
HARTFORD, CONN. / SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH / DES MOINES, IOWA / JACKSONVILLE, FLA. / TULSA, OKLA. / COLUMBUS, OHIO / COLUMBIA, S.C. / SEATTLE, WASH.

NCAA SWEET SIXTEEN
MAR 28 (THU) MAR 29 (FRI) CBS / TURNER VS TBA
LOUISVILLE, KY. / ANAHEIM, CALIF. / WASHINGTON, D.C. / KANSAS CITY, MO.

NCAA ELITE EIGHT
MAR 30 (SAT) MAR 31 (SUN) CBS / TURNER VS TBA
LOUISVILLE, KY. / ANAHEIM, CALIF. / WASHINGTON, D.C. / KANSAS CITY, MO.

NCAA FINAL FOUR
APR 6 (SAT) TBA CBS VS TBA
MINNEAPOLIS, MINN.

NCAA FINAL
APR 8 (MON) TBA CBS VS TBA
MINNEAPOLIS, MINN.

More updates to come.

Let's go get Championship number 4 (6)!

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Go 'Hawks!

[BigRedChief]

In 2nd

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Malik is gone?

[Kiimo]

Malik is gone?

Yes unless you believe in Santa Claus

[cmh6476]

this appears to have been updated last week with no mention of newman. Here's hoping...

http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

[Kiimo]

Yeah because that sight is made by a dumbass who has zero insider knowledge. Don't read that site.

[ROYC75]

I just want to get in on the 1st page!

[smithandrew051]

Malik is gone?

We came into the year with the understanding he would leave after one year.

He helped us win 14 straight.

He took over the Big 12 tournament.

He torched Duke and led us to a Final Four.

I won’t be mad at all if he leaves. I don’t think he has a true position in the NBA (too small to be a 2, not the ball handler to be a 1), but it’s not like that would change with another year or two of college.

I think he should capitalize on that late run he made. No need to risk injury or a down year. Take the money and run.

[jjchieffan]

Screw the Gheyhawks. And, with that. I exit this thread and put it on ignore. I don't want Beaker crap on my front page. :cuss:

[O.city]

Screw the Gheyhawks. And, with that. I exit this thread and put it on ignore. I don't want Beaker crap on my front page. :cuss:

Considering you don't believe the earth was around the year they started the BIg 12 streak, you will be missed.

[jimidollar]

Probably doesn't believe the earth is round either.

[Dunit35]

Saw Malik declare with an agent. It was on KU’s Facebook today.

[SAUTO]

Saw Malik declare with an agent. It was on KU’s Facebook today.

He declared and plans on hiring an agent

[jjjayb]

Kenpom says we've got very little shot of doing anything next year. The rest of the big 12 is the best field of big 12 teams we've ever gone against. Guess we'll just have to wait until 2019-2020.

[smithandrew051]

Kenpom says we've got very little shot of doing anything next year. The rest of the big 12 is the best field of big 12 teams we've ever gone against. Guess we'll just have to wait until 2019-2020.

We need to just cancel these seasons already and let Kenpom award victories in every game once the rosters and schedules are final. That would save a lot of time...but then what would I worry about?

[Titty Meat]

Next year's team has as good a chance as anyone at winning it all

[Titty Meat]

Bracketology has you guys as a 1 next year

http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?iteration=278&region=3&year=2018

[BigRedChief]

Next year's team has as good a chance as anyone at winning it alll think most people consider this years team the least talented team in recent years.

Now the very next year, we have the most talented team in recent memory, at least on paper because of recruiting success and transfers. We should be #1 team out of the gate and favorite to win it all.

[cmh6476]

And haven't all the transfers had the luxury of practicing with this over-achieving team next year?

[BigRedChief]

Bracketology has you guys as a 1 next year

http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?iteration=278&region=3&year=2018OMG! :eek: Xavier as a #8? Davidson and Oregon all in our sweet 16 bracket. Let the worrying begin.

[JoeyChuckles]

Goodbye, Newman.

[Kiimo]

Malik is gone?

Told ya

[Kiimo]

Screw the Gheyhawks. And, with that. I exit this thread and put it on ignore. I don't want Beaker crap on my front page. :cuss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=qFNdAltDUGM

[Pablo]

Thanks for the memories and best of luck Malik. On to next year! Should be a fun one!

[threebag]

Going to be a long wait for NCAABB. Hope the Hawks push through to the title game next year.


Come on NFL

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Told ya



Congrats.

Way to go out on a limb.

[Chief Pagan]

Kenpom says we've got very little shot of doing anything next year. The rest of the big 12 is the best field of big 12 teams we've ever gone against. Guess we'll just have to wait until 2019-2020.

But what does Rusty say?

[T-post Tom]

Sam Mellinger's best guess for next year's starting 5:

PG: Devon Dotson, the No. 19 recruit according to the Recruiting Services Consensus Index.

SG: Quentin Grimes, the No. 12 recruit according to RSCI.

SF: K.J. Lawson, a transfer who averaged 12.3 points and 8.1 rebounds for Memphis last season.

PF: Dedric Lawson, a transfer who averaged 19.2 points and 9.9 rebounds for Memphis last season.

C: Udoka Azubuike, the 7-foot center who will likely be asked to be more of a rim protector and rebounder than scorer next season.

[T-post Tom]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="cs"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s my computer&#39;s top 10 for 2019 assuming everyone in <a href="https://twitter.com/DraftExpress?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DraftExpress</a> top 40 leaves: 1) Kansas, 2) Duke, 3) Villanova, 4) Auburn, 5) Kentucky, 6) North Carolina, 7) Nevada, 8) West Virginia, 9) Gonzaga, 10) Virginia, 11) Maryland.</p>&mdash; Ken Pomeroy (@kenpomeroy) <a href="https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/977576572977692673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">24. března 2018</a></blockquote>
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[BigRedChief]

Sam Mellinger's best guess for next year's starting 5:

PG: Devon Dotson, the No. 19 recruit according to the Recruiting Services Consensus Index.

SG: Quentin Grimes, the No. 12 recruit according to RSCI.

SF: K.J. Lawson, a transfer who averaged 12.3 points and 8.1 rebounds for Memphis last season.

PF: Dedric Lawson, a transfer who averaged 19.2 points and 9.9 rebounds for Memphis last season.

C: Udoka Azubuike, the 7-foot center who will likely be asked to be more of a rim protector and rebounder than scorer next season.No way Vick cracks that line up. I know they are not playing Vicks position but, McCormick looks like a monster and he's not even starting. Moore is supposed to be one of the best true point guards in the nation and he doesn't start?

Now that Self has enough talented bigs, I bet he goes back to his traditional high/low offense.

[sedated]

As talented as that group will be, I still wish they had an Jr/Sr leader at one of the guard spots.

(Even if Vick stays, I don't think he'll qualify)

[T-post Tom]

No way Vick cracks that line up. I know they are not playing Vicks position but, McCormick looks like a monster and he's not even starting. Moore is supposed to be one of the best true point guards in the nation and he doesn't start?

Now that Self has enough talented bigs, I bet he goes back to his traditional high/low offense.

Mellinger acknowledged that this is speculation at this point. No telling how things might change between now and the first game of next season. However it ends up, KU is stacked. Mellinger also made the point that this is the first time Self has come out of the final four with a better roster for the following season. Final Four followed by a National Championship? :drool:

[BWillie]

l think most people consider this years team the least talented team in recent years.

Now the very next year, we have the most talented team in recent memory, at least on paper because of recruiting success and transfers. We should be #1 team out of the gate and favorite to win it all.

Fallacy.

Devonte Graham Top 35 recruit.
Malik Newman Top 8 recruit.
Legerald Vick Top 50 recruit.
Svi would have been a Top 15 recruit and a 5-star had he been included in USA recruiting rankings, and has been said many times after we nabbed him.
Udoka Top 30 recruit.
Mitch Lightfoot Top 70 recruit.
Garrett Top 45 recruit.
Silvio Top 30 recruit.

Compare that to next year.
Charlie Moore Top 60 recruit.
Dedric Lawson Top 40 recruit.
KJ Lawson Top 60 recruit.
Grimes Top 15 recruit.
Dotson Top 25 recruit.
McCormack Top 40 recruit.
Agabai Top 400 recruit.

So, out of these two teams, one would argue the most talented kids out of HS were Malik Newman, Svi and Quinten Grimes. Followed by Doke, Dotson & Silvio (who was on our team this year).

[BigRedChief]

Fallacy.

Devonte Graham Top 35 recruit.
Malik Newman Top 8 recruit.
Legerald Vick Top 50 recruit.
Svi would have been a Top 15 recruit and a 5-star had he been included in USA recruiting rankings, and has been said many times after we nabbed him.
Udoka Top 30 recruit.
Mitch Lightfoot Top 70 recruit.
Garrett Top 45 recruit.
Silvio Top 30 recruit.

Compare that to next year.
Charlie Moore Top 60 recruit.
Dedric Lawson Top 40 recruit.
KJ Lawson Top 60 recruit.
Grimes Top 15 recruit.
Dotson Top 25 recruit.
McCormack Top 40 recruit.
Agabai Top 400 recruit.

So, out of these two teams, one would argue the most talented kids out of HS were Malik Newman, Svi and Quinten Grimes. Followed by Doke, Dotson & Silvio (who was on our team this year).come on man, If Graham was a top 35 recruit why did he sign at Appalachian state?

You are the only person I've ever heard say this wasn't Self's least talent team in recent times.

Doesn't matter what this years team did in high school. Same as this new recruiting class.. Lots of talent coming out of high school, but will they jell, learn and continue to get better? We shall see.

There is a reason almost everyone has us as the best team in the country next year. Self and the new recruits.

[Mr. Plow]

Considering you don't believe the earth was around the year they started the BIg 12 streak, you will be missed.

:clap:

[smithandrew051]

Fallacy.

Devonte Graham Top 35 recruit.
Malik Newman Top 8 recruit.
Legerald Vick Top 50 recruit.
Svi would have been a Top 15 recruit and a 5-star had he been included in USA recruiting rankings, and has been said many times after we nabbed him.
Udoka Top 30 recruit.
Mitch Lightfoot Top 70 recruit.
Garrett Top 45 recruit.
Silvio Top 30 recruit.

Compare that to next year.
Charlie Moore Top 60 recruit.
Dedric Lawson Top 40 recruit.
KJ Lawson Top 60 recruit.
Grimes Top 15 recruit.
Dotson Top 25 recruit.
McCormack Top 40 recruit.
Agabai Top 400 recruit.

So, out of these two teams, one would argue the most talented kids out of HS were Malik Newman, Svi and Quinten Grimes. Followed by Doke, Dotson & Silvio (who was on our team this year).

This is EXTREMELY skewed.

We aren’t talking just about incoming freshmen. We’re talking about guys who have college experience too. Once they’ve played college ball, who cares about their recruit rank?

Dedric Lawson averaged 20 and 10 at Memphis. You could easily argue that he’s proven to be better than he was ranked.

Moore averaged double figures as a freshman in a major conference. You could argue that he’s better than his ranking.

Here’s another example. Please compare Frank Mason and Josh Selby as high school recruits. We were all far more excited about Selby out of high school than Frank. Once they were on campus, those rankings didn’t matter anymore.

[BWillie]

come on man, If Graham was a top 35 recruit why did he sign at Appalachian state?

You are the only person I've ever heard say this wasn't Self's least talent team in recent times.

Doesn't matter what this years team did in high school. Same as this new recruiting class.. Lots of talent coming out of high school, but will they jell, learn and continue to get better? We shall see.

There is a reason almost everyone has us as the best team in the country next year. Self and the new recruits.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2014/devonte-graham-9850

Yes I realize he went to prep school, but doesn't change the fact that when we got Devonte, he was a high recruit. There is absolutely no way Dotson is going to be ANYWHERE close to as good as the PG play we had the last few years between Mason and Graham.

[sedated]

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2014/devonte-graham-9850

Yes I realize he went to prep school, but doesn't change the fact that when we got Devonte, he was a high recruit. There is absolutely no way Dotson is going to be ANYWHERE close to as good as the PG play we had the last few years between Mason and Graham.

Yes, once a recruit has a number by their name, that's what they are going to be. Case closed.

[BWillie]

Yes, once a recruit has a number by their name, that's what they are going to be. Case closed.

Should we go by NBA players? This years team has the following players who will play in the NBA someday:

Devonte Graham
Malik Newman
Udoka Azubuike
Svi Myhailiuk
Silvio DeSousa

That's pretty good no? I just think saying this team wasn't as talented as any teams Self has had in the last 15 years is quite an exaggeration. That seems to be the typical narrative.

[Kiimo]

No sorry he's right going by Rivals rankings ESPECIALLY four years later is extremely misguided.

These services change their rankings when a big coach selects them. You rarely if every see a 2-star player start at a KU/Duke/UNC or whatever because as soon as there is interest from a Cal or Roy or K these guys shoot up the rankings because *shocked gasp* they're better talent evaluators than Eric Bossi or whomever.

[O.city]

Vick officially turning pro

[SuperChief]

Vick officially turning pro

Not hiring an agent, though. I wish Malik would do that. Options, man.

[DanBecky]

Man, this opens the door for Romeo Langford. All of our four starting guards are now gone. SO many minutes in the backcourt are available next year. I'm already excited. Really gonna miss those guys that are moving on though.

[DanBecky]

Not hiring an agent, though. I wish Malik would do that. Options, man.

I could see why Malik is though. He's over college, he used KU as a springboard to the NBA. He's betting on himself and is 100 percent committed. It was always the plan, no matter how the season turned out for him. He played his way into a better draft position with his hot postseason.

I see what you're saying though. Selfishly I'd love to see Malik back just to have some stability in the backcourt and someone the young guys can lean on.

[SuperChief]

I could see why Malik is though. He's over college, he used KU as a springboard to the NBA. He's betting on himself and is 100 percent committed. It was always the plan, no matter how the season turned out for him. He played his way into a better draft position with his hot postseason.

I see what you're saying though. Selfishly I'd love to see Malik back just to have some stability in the backcourt and someone the young guys can lean on.

Yeah, I totally get why he's doing it and that he feels 100% ready - it's just nice having the option to be able to retreat if things don't pan out. Vick will probably need that backdoor, even though Self is publicly doubting that. Probably a play for Romeo.

[DanBecky]

Yeah, I totally get why he's doing it and that he feels 100% ready - it's just nice having the option to be able to retreat if things don't pan out. Vick will probably need that backdoor, even though Self is publicly doubting that. Probably a play for Romeo.

Oh yeah, I think so too. Kinda like he did with Brannen Greene. Just a little nudge out the door with some encouraging words to the media.

[SuperChief]

It appears Vick truly is done @ KU. Hopefully he can underperform on the biggest stages in the NBA.

j/k - good for him. All the best, Vick.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/apr/06/kus-lagerald-vick-announces-intention-turn-pro/

[smithandrew051]

It’s actually pretty smart for Vick to go.

Unless he has a crazy Frank Mason or Devonte Graham senior year, he’ll only hurt his stock by coming back.

Vick’s game has enough flaws, that less is more when considering his draft stock.

His best hope is that the scouts drool at his athletic ability and streaky shooting.

If he came back, I would guess that his flaws would be further exposed as he tries to assert himself as a senior playmaker.

Probably a good call to go while he’s a little more of a high-upside unknown.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

It’s actually pretty smart for Vick to go.

Unless he has a crazy Frank Mason or Devonte Graham senior year, he’ll only hurt his stock by coming back.

Vick’s game has enough flaws, that less is more when considering his draft stock.

His best hope is that the scouts drool at his athletic ability and streaky shooting.

If he came back, I would guess that his flaws would be further exposed as he tries to assert himself as a senior playmaker.

Probably a good call to go while he’s a little more of a high-upside unknown.

$1 million a year starting this year or next year overseas... not a whole lot of difference, except he'll be getting paid here in a couple months vs Not. Take the money, son.

[sedated]

It appears Vick truly is done @ KU. Hopefully he can underperform on the biggest stages in the NBA.

j/k - good for him. All the best, Vick.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/apr/06/kus-lagerald-vick-announces-intention-turn-pro/

Vick has a 5 year old daughter? And he's 21?

His mom's comment about not being selfish and giving someone else a chance seems a bit odd. Makes it sound like staying 3 (or 4) years is too long.

[BWillie]

Well if this doesn't get Langford to come to KU I don't know what would.

[Kiimo]

Looking at the composite score that makes up draft classes and if Romeo chooses KU we will have the #2 class in the country and that doesn’t include De Sousa, The Lawsons, Moore. Suddenly it makes sense why we'd be #1 in the country in the preseason polls.

[Ceej]

Man, not sure what to think about next year's team.

Sounds like all of the potential and talent in the world though.

And the team will be deeeeeeeep.

[Mr. Plow]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/23107028/prosecutors-add-more-criminal-counts-adidas-executive-fbi-college-basketball-probe


Adidas executive James Gatto handed more criminal counts in college basketball probe

Federal prosecutors in New York on Tuesday added additional criminal counts to the indictment of Adidas executive James Gatto, alleging for the first time that he conspired to provide cash payments to the families of former basketball players at Kansas and NC State.

The superseding indictment also alleges that Adidas consultant Merl Code and Christian Dawkins, a runner for former NBA agent Andy Miller, conspired with Gatto to commit wire fraud and pay $100,000 to the father of Louisville recruit Brian Bowen.

Gatto, Code and Dawkins were among 10 men arrested in late September following the FBI's clandestine investigation into bribes and other corruption in college basketball. They are scheduled to go on trial at U.S. District Court in New York in October.

The new indictment alleges Gatto and another unidentified Adidas consultant conspired to provide at least $90,000 to the mother of a former Kansas player between October 2016 and November 2017, and at least $20,000 to the legal guardian of a second player who committed to the Jayhawks in August 2017.

Sources told ESPN's Jeff Goodman that the first Kansas player is former five-star recruit Billy Preston, who did not appear in a game for the Jayhawks this past season, before turning pro because of eligibility concerns. Preston announced his commitment on Nov. 18, 2016.

A federal indictment released on Tuesday alleges the payments were made to ensure the players signed with Kansas and then inked endorsement deals with Adidas once they turned pro. The indictment says the payments were concealed from the university and NCAA.

The indictment says Gatto and others concealed payments to the first Kansas player by transferring money to an AAU team controlled by the unidentified Adidas consultant. Among the noted payments, prosecutors say the consultant delivered $30,000 to the player's mother at a hotel room in New York on Oct. 31, 2016, and another $20,000 in cash at a hotel room in Las Vegas on Jan. 19, 2017. The consultant also wired $15,000 to the player's mother on June 14, 2017.

In August 2017, the indictment alleges, the second Kansas player's legal guardian informed the consultant that the player had received illicit payments to attend a school sponsored by one of Adidas' rivals. The guardian told the consultant that the student-athlete was more interested in attending Kansas, but would need to repay payments from the rival apparel company in order to do so.

The second player announced he would enroll at Kansas on Aug. 30, 2017, according to the indictment, and on Sept. 11, 2017, Gatto was informed by the unidentified Adidas consultant that he would need to make "another $20,000 payment" to the player's guardian to help the student-athlete "out from under" the deal to sign with the other school.

The only Kansas player who committed on Aug. 30, 2017 is Silvio De Sousa, who is from Angola, attended IMG Academy and joined the Jayhawks in late December. De Sousa averaged 8.8 minutes in 20 games, and scored seven points and grabbed seven rebounds in 10 minutes in the national semifinal loss to Villanova.

Kansas released a statement later Tuesday: "Earlier today, we learned that the University of Kansas is named as a victim in a federal indictment. The indictment does not suggest any wrongdoing by the university, its coaches or its staff. We will cooperate fully with investigators in this matter. Because this is an active investigation, it is not appropriate for us to comment further at this time."

The indictment also alleges that Gatto and others conspired in 2015 to funnel approximately $40,000 from Adidas to the father of a player who was "widely considered the top high school recruit in the state of North Carolina and who had played for an [Adidas-sponsored] AAU team" to ensure that he signed with the Wolfpack and signed an apparel deal with Adidas once he turned pro.

The unidentified player committed to NC State in September 2015, but wasn't happy with his decision and was considering decommitting about a month later, according to the indictment. Gatto and the unidentified Adidas consultant agreed to make a $40,000 payment to an unnamed NC State coach, who would then deliver it to the player's parent, the indictment alleges. The payment was concealed from NC State officials and the NCAA, according to prosecutors.

The indictment says the player enrolled at NC State for the 2016-17 season and entered the NBA draft in June 2017.

NC State released a statement on Tuesday, saying that in September 2017 the school's compliance staff "contacted former basketball coaches asking whether they had any knowledge of or involvement in any activity related to the allegations coming from the U.S. Attorney's Office. Former staff questioned stated they had neither any knowledge nor involvement."

Mark Gottfried was the coach at NC State at the time the payment was alleged to have occurred. He was fired after the 2016-17 season and has since been named coach at Cal State Northridge.

The university's statement concluded, "NC State will continue to fully cooperate with the U.S. Attorney's Office and keep the NCAA updated throughout this investigation."

Dennis Smith Jr., who sources told ESPN is the unidentified player, committed to NC State in September of 2015. He left Raleigh after his freshman season and is currently a rookie guard for the Dallas Mavericks.

The superseding indictment released on Tuesday also includes details of schemes to funnel $100,000 to Bowen's father and $150,000 to the family of an unidentified high school player being recruited by Miami. Those allegations were included in the original indictment against Gatto, Code and Dawkins.

[lawrenceRaider]

KU held Preston out when every other major university with a player on the list that came out earlier like Bagley and Ayton allowed their kids to play.

[Mr. Plow]

KU held Preston out when every other major university with a player on the list that came out earlier like Bagley and Ayton allowed their kids to play.

The big one is De Sousa if they deem him ineligible going forward. I was really looking forward to watching him progress.

[lawrenceRaider]

The big one is De Sousa if they deem him ineligible going forward. I was really looking forward to watching him progress.

That would seriously suck. Though if this were only between the guardian and Adidas, SDS should be fine. If the NCAA does anything, there will be a hell of a lot of players declared ineligible at every level of college basketball. I mean, Wichita State's Van Vleet got money according to the list that came out earlier. If a player with his low ranking (on coming out) got cash, then it's pretty wide spread.

[Mr. Plow]

That would seriously suck. Though if this were only between the guardian and Adidas, SDS should be fine. If the NCAA does anything, there will be a hell of a lot of players declared ineligible at every level of college basketball. I mean, Wichita State's Van Vleet got money according to the list that came out earlier. If a player with his low ranking (on coming out) got cash, then it's pretty wide spread.

The wording of the indictment indicates KU is a "victim" of a shoe company & the parents/guardians; so I'm not sure what actual blow back would hit KU at this point. It's entirely possible that the NCAA could vacate any games De Sousa played in & take away the Final Four banner I suppose.

But, I agree - if the NCAA is going to go hard at KU, a lot a schools should be worried.

[BigRedChief]

The big one is De Sousa if they deem him ineligible going forward. I was really looking forward to watching him progress.So did they know something about this and thats why they kept Preston off the court? Instead of that fender bender?

See if I got this right.......

DeSouza's guardian in Florida took $20K from a shoe company. The he wanted to go to Kansas, they wanted the money back? Did DeSouza know?

It says the university or coaches didn't know. So does that mean they are off the hook for any possible penalties?

[Hangin'WithMahomes]

It says the university or coaches didn't know. So does that mean they are off the hook for any possible penalties?

ONLY a guess, but my assumption would be vacating the FF and any games he played in as Mr. Plow suggested. I can't see how anything more (though that would suck) would be warranted.

[Mr. Plow]

So did they know something about this and thats why they kept Preston off the court? Instead of that fender bender?

See if I got this right.......

DeSouza's guardian in Florida took $20K from a shoe company. The he wanted to go to Kansas, they wanted the money back? Did DeSouza know?

It says the university or coaches didn't know. So does that mean they are off the hook for any possible penalties?

That was never about a fender bender. There's a reason he didn't play & eventually left the school.

The idea is that Under Armour paid the guardian of De Sousa to secure his commitment. De Sousa really wanted to go to KU so the guardian secured funds from Adidas to pay back Under Armour. Whether De Sousa knew I couldn't tell you. But the way they are referencing KU as a victim tells me that they believe neither KU nor the NCAA had any knowledge of it.

[Mr. Kotter]

Romeo, Romeo wherefore art thou...?

[Mr. Plow]

Wasn't Cam Newton in a similar situation. Parents or guardians took money, but neither Newton or the school knew anything about it so he was ruled eligible?

[Lzen]

There is absolutely no way Dotson is going to be ANYWHERE close to as good as the PG play we had the last few years between Mason and Graham.

This is an incredibly ignorant statement. You have no way of knowing that. Dotson may be just as good or better. We don't know yet.

[sedated]

Wasn't Cam Newton in a similar situation. Parents or guardians took money, but neither Newton or the school knew anything about it so he was ruled eligible?

That's the closest case I can think of, but I don't think there was evidence Newton's family got any money, just that they asked for it (from Miss St., I believe)

[sedated]

According to the Deadspin article, the 2 players were "most probably Marcus Garrett and Silvio De Sousa".

Not sure where they got Garrett from, and not sure why he would be getting paid, he was around a top 50ish recruit.

[BryanBusby]

Wasn't Cam Newton in a similar situation. Parents or guardians took money, but neither Newton or the school knew anything about it so he was ruled eligible?
They were never able to prove Cecil Newton accepted any compensation. I don't think the same result is going to happen this time around.

The FBI is a lot more involved here. KU isn't getting the death penalty, but they will probably have to vacate any result involving those ineligible players.

[BigRedChief]

They were never able to prove Cecil Newton accepted any compensation. I don't think the same result is going to happen this time around.

The FBI is a lot more involved here. KU isn't getting the death penalty, but they will probably have to vacate any result involving those ineligible players.if so, then the streak was over last year.

[Mr. Plow]

if so, then the streak was over last year.

It would still list KU, but with an *

[BWillie]

They were never able to prove Cecil Newton accepted any compensation. I don't think the same result is going to happen this time around.

The FBI is a lot more involved here. KU isn't getting the death penalty, but they will probably have to vacate any result involving those ineligible players.

An interesting distinction is also that when Silvio committed to KU he was 18. Which is usually outside the time of guardianship.

[saphojunkie]

That was never about a fender bender. There's a reason he didn't play & eventually left the school.

The idea is that Under Armour paid the guardian of De Sousa to secure his commitment. De Sousa really wanted to go to KU so the guardian secured funds from Adidas to pay back Under Armour. Whether De Sousa knew I couldn't tell you. But the way they are referencing KU as a victim tells me that they believe neither KU nor the NCAA had any knowledge of it.

Don't think that's in there.

[SAUTO]

What happened to billay thread?

[Buehler445]

What happened to billay thread?

Romper

[big nasty kcnut]

Silvio a good kid i don't think he did it!

[saphojunkie]

Basically, Maryland tried to pay to have Silvio go there. He still went to KU. Also, it’s a guardian, not a parent. So... WTF

[BigRedChief]

It would still list KU, but with an *CBS Sports article on the FBI ending KU’s run.

For Pete's Sake

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/will-it-be-the-fbi-as-opposed-to-texas-or-oklahoma-that-ends-kansas-streak-of-14-straight-big-12-titles/#appvid=B0B85B27-B068-4819-8F32-85FEBA9EF971

[KC_Connection]

The FBI is a lot more involved here. KU isn't getting the death penalty, but they will probably have to vacate any result involving those ineligible players.
I wouldn’t get your hopes up on that one.

[Mr. Plow]

I wouldn’t get your hopes up on that one.

What are you trying to say here?

[KC_Connection]

What are you trying to say here?
That it's a pipedream to think the NCAA is going to start vacating the results of every major college basketball program that had players break NCAA rules like this. If they did, they'd have to start erasing the record books going back 40+ years in this sport for all of these programs (and pretty soon it won't just be the Adidas programs, it will be the Nike and Under Armour schools caught in their own probes as well).

Now if they could connect some kind of illicit activity to the KU coaching staff (and I have no doubt they will try), that would be a different story. I would suggest that the MU fans wait for a real smoking gun here.

[Mr. Plow]

That it's a pipedream to think the NCAA is going to start vacating the results of every major college basketball program that had players break NCAA rules like this. If they did, they'd have to start erasing the record books going back 40+ years in this sport for all of these programs (and pretty soon it won't just be the Adidas programs, it will be the Nike and Under Armour schools caught in their own probes as well).

Now if they could connect some kind of illicit activity to the KU coaching staff (and I have no doubt they will try), that would be a different story. I would suggest that the MU fans wait for a real smoking gun here.

I agree. If they can tie the staff to it in any way, I could see some things get vacated - but if they can't tie it to the staff & vacate stuff, that's going to open up a bigger can of worms.

Side note.... what a strange phrase - "can of worms".

[BigRedChief]

I agree. If they can tie the staff to it in any way, I could see some things get vacated - but if they can't tie it to the staff & vacate stuff, that's going to open up a bigger can of worms.

Side note.... what a strange phrase - "can of worms".They need to end the whole AAU system. But, thats never going to happen.

I dont think any college program should be punished unless they knew about something improper. Or should have known based on common knowledge. Family is poor but they are driving an expensive car etc. but didn't ask where they got the money for the car. Even that, what would be the line that "you should have known"?

The whole system needs to be changed. These top shelf athletes have a valuable talent. Everything is stacked against them to monetize their talent until its been used by others for free until they are 19-20 years old at the earliest.

[lawrenceRaider]

CBS Sports article on the FBI ending KU’s run.

For Pete's Sake

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/will-it-be-the-fbi-as-opposed-to-texas-or-oklahoma-that-ends-kansas-streak-of-14-straight-big-12-titles/#appvid=B0B85B27-B068-4819-8F32-85FEBA9EF971

Parrish is an idiot. I hope no one else clicks on that link, and you should delete it so that puke doesn't get any more clicks.

[Messier]

Parrish is an idiot. I hope no one else clicks on that link, and you should delete it so that puke doesn't get any more clicks.

Kevin Kietzman has had him on twice in two days. It's like Christmas for him. He's already speculating on the idea of Self being fired.

[sedated]

Kevin Kietzman has had him on twice in two days. It's like Christmas for him. He's already speculating on the idea of Self being fired.

I don't listen to that show, but I bet he has wall to wall coverage of the greatest college basketball scandal since Josh Jackson kicked a car.

[T-post Tom]

Kevin Kietzman has had him on twice in two days. It's like Christmas for him. He's already speculating on the idea of Self being fired.

As hard as he tries to be indirect about it, KK can't hide his disdain for KU. I turned him off the other day when he started chastising Self for sitting in the stands and talking to Larry Brown. KK LOVES to bring up Larry Brown so he can use "KU" in the same sentences as "NCAA infraction" and "lack of institutional control." As a K-State alum (and official cheerleader), I'm pretty sure he suffers eternal butt hurt from KU's eternal domination over K-State in men's b-ball. In fact, I think his personal timeline shows that he was institutionalized at the Menninger Foundation in 1988, right after KU whooped the higher seeded Wildcats 71-58 in the Elite Eight. I'm sure that KU going on to win the National Championship that year didn't help the butt hurt/mental health of a then-young KK. (Would wager that a review of KK's on-air time will show that he has mentioned Larry Brown MORE than Roy Williams since Bill Self became the Coach. 30 years since Brown left KU. Oh the butt hurt... ) :)

[SAUTO]

Romper

:D

[Buehler445]

:D

ROFL

[Monkey God]

That it's a pipedream to think the NCAA is going to start vacating the results of every major college basketball program that had players break NCAA rules like this. If they did, they'd have to start erasing the record books going back 40+ years in this sport for all of these programs (and pretty soon it won't just be the Adidas programs, it will be the Nike and Under Armour schools caught in their own probes as well).

Now if they could connect some kind of illicit activity to the KU coaching staff (and I have no doubt they will try), that would be a different story. I would suggest that the MU fans wait for a real smoking gun here.

The NCAA has already had teams vacate 20 National Championships in various sports including many big name schools...the list is very long of just Bball teams with vacated wins and conference standings...I think you are fooling yourself to the reality of what has actually happened.

[Lzen]

The NCAA has already had teams vacate 20 National Championships in various sports including many big name schools...the list is very long of just Bball teams with vacated wins and conference standings...I think you are fooling yourself to the reality of what has actually happened.

I think you totally missed the point. :rolleyes:

[T-post Tom]

Opening monologue and KK is at it again. Appears that he's disappointed that nobody else wants to crucify KU because of a crooked Adidas executive. The hate is strong. :shake: Might be time to hang out at 610 for awhile.

[Lzen]

“There are no true victims here. It’s a derivative crime based on alleged violations of a private, nonprofit entity’s internal bylaws,” said Don Jackson, an Alabama attorney who has represented athletes in NCAA rules compliance cases. “This would be like someone lying on an application to the 4-H club and getting charged with wire fraud.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/latest-college-basketball-charges-make-it-clear-the-fbi-is-enforcing-ncaa-rules/2018/04/13/d49e40f4-3e8e-11e8-8d53-eba0ed2371cc_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d73283869b6f

[sedated]

Opening monologue and KK is at it again. Appears that he's disappointed that nobody else wants to crucify KU because of a crooked Adidas executive. The hate is strong. :shake: Might be time to hang out at 610 for awhile.

That show is KC's radio version of Fox News for people who hate KU. I gave it up after the JJ "scandal" and never went back.

[Messier]

That show is KC's radio version of Fox News for people who hate KU. I gave it up after the JJ "scandal" and never went back.

I was saying this to my friend yesterday. Not to get DC in here, but if KK is Sean Hannity, then KU is his Clintons.

[Pants]

Opening monologue and KK is at it again. Appears that he's disappointed that nobody else wants to crucify KU because of a crooked Adidas executive. The hate is strong. :shake: Might be time to hang out at 610 for awhile.

Why would you listen to that dumbass to begin with?

He never has any good takes, all the KU hate notwithstanding. He literally makes shit up and claims his "sources" misinformed him when the facts come out. He is the worst kind of a sports talk radio host. He has no journalistic integrity and is just overall lazy and uninteresting.

[Messier]

Why would you listen to that dumbass to begin with?

He never has any good takes, all the KU hate notwithstanding. He literally makes shit up and claims his "sources" misinformed him when the facts come out. He is the worst kind of a sports talk radio host. He has no journalistic integrity and is just overall lazy and uninteresting.

He wanted Mason Rudolph over Mahomes. That's all you need to know about him.

[BigRedChief]

He wanted Mason Rudolph over Mahomes. That's all you need to know about him.Mason who?

[Lzen]

The NCAA has already had teams vacate 20 National Championships in various sports including many big name schools...the list is very long of just Bball teams with vacated wins and conference standings...I think you are fooling yourself to the reality of what has actually happened.

BTW, I wanted to point this out again for the slow MUrons commenting in here.

the University of Kansas is named as a victim in a federal indictment. The indictment does not suggest any wrongdoing by the university, its coaches or its staff.

[lawrenceRaider]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kansas isn’t asserting it is a “victim,” the United States government is, specifically the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. Are these issues really federal criminal issues? Many smart people think not. We shall see. <a href="https://t.co/GWx0ZiHieW">https://t.co/GWx0ZiHieW</a></p>&mdash; Jay Bilas (@JayBilas) <a href="https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/984936712643194882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[TambaBerry]

pat forde is an absolute shit "writer"

[lawrenceRaider]

pat forde is an absolute shit "writer"

100% tool who hates Kansas with all the passion his tiny Misery loving self can muster.

[crashcourse]

my guess is the dukes the Ku's the Carolina states etc etc know exactly what is going on but turn a blind eye to it. the marvin bagley situation is a perfect example of what has went on for years.

[Mr. Plow]

Doke declares for NBA draft. Won't hire agent.

[CoMoChief]

Self looks pregnant

[Mr. Kotter]

So, 3 hours to go...does Langford pick Indiana, Kansas, or Vandy...he wore "ruby" slippers last night to his banquet which might be nothing, OR it might mean he's narrowed it to Kansas or Indiana maybe? Dorothy's Kansas...or is it a message for there is "no place like home?"

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/04/30/romeo-langford-wore-ruby-red-slippers-indystar-sports-awards-does-no-place-like-home-mean-indiana-ka/565516002/#/questions

:hmmm:

[BWillie]

So, 3 hours to go...does Langford pick Indiana, Kansas, or Vandy...he wore "ruby" slippers last night to his banquet which might be nothing, OR it might mean he's narrowed it to Kansas or Indiana maybe? Dorothy's Kansas...or is it a message for there is "no place like home?"

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/04/30/romeo-langford-wore-ruby-red-slippers-indystar-sports-awards-does-no-place-like-home-mean-indiana-ka/565516002/#/questions

:hmmm:

Indiana. He's going to Indiana. Was going to go to KU before this FBI stuff, it appears.

[Mr. Kotter]

Indiana. He's going to Indiana. Was going to go to KU before this FBI stuff, it appears.

Is that your hunch, or you have sources? My gut agrees, but I'm still holding out a bit of hope...

[BigRedChief]

Doke declares for NBA draft. Won't hire agent.
Why not, see if you get any bites. If not, try again next year.

[BigRedChief]

So, 3 hours to go...does Langford pick Indiana, Kansas, or Vandy...he wore "ruby" slippers last night to his banquet which might be nothing, OR it might mean he's narrowed it to Kansas or Indiana maybe? Dorothy's Kansas...or is it a message for there is "no place like home?"

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/04/30/romeo-langford-wore-ruby-red-slippers-indystar-sports-awards-does-no-place-like-home-mean-indiana-ka/565516002/#/questions

:hmmm:Even if he doesn’t come and Doke leaves, we still have enough talent to make it to the final 4 again.

[BigRedChief]

So, 3 hours to go...does Langford pick Indiana, Kansas, or Vandy...he wore "ruby" slippers last night to his banquet which might be nothing, OR it might mean he's narrowed it to Kansas or Indiana maybe? Dorothy's Kansas...or is it a message for there is "no place like home?"

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/04/30/romeo-langford-wore-ruby-red-slippers-indystar-sports-awards-does-no-place-like-home-mean-indiana-ka/565516002/#/questions

:hmmm:this makes sense from the Star article.


Speculation of recruiting writers is Indiana may be the choice, but that opinion has been fueled by the simple fact that Langford has invited the public to watch Monday’s commitment ceremony. Analysts have wondered why he would risk a negative reaction from fans in a packed gymnasium if the choice was a team other than Indiana.

[Kiimo]

It's Indiana. Officially

[Hoopsdoc]

Romeo to IU. Just announced.

[Hoopsdoc]

It's Indiana. Officially

Damn. Beat me by a minute. :D

[Titty Meat]

Indiana is to college basketball what Nebraska is to football. If the kid was turned off by what KU is going through why choose IU?

[Hoopsdoc]

Indiana is to college basketball what Nebraska is to football. If the kid was turned off by what KU is going through why choose IU?

IU is the 2nd most valuable college basketball program in the country, behind only Kentucky. They get constant National tv coverage and have a huge, dedicated fan base. Plus, they’ve churned out lots of pros in recent years. Not to mention they’re one of the more historic programs in the country.

http://iuhoosiers.com/news/2018/4/2/mens-basketball-indiana-is-second-most-valuable-mens-college-basketball-program-according-to-the-wall-street-journal.aspx

[Sorce]

Zenger has been fired.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article211582259.html

KU fires athletic director Sheahon Zenger: 'Progress in key areas has been elusive'

By Jesse Newell

jnewell@kcstar.com


May 21, 2018 10:31 AM

Updated 5 minutes ago

University of Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger has been fired after seven years with the department, KU chancellor Douglas Girod announced Monday morning.

In an email sent to KU faculty and staff, Girod credited Zenger for his loyalty before saying, "Athletics continues to face a number of challenges, and progress in key areas has been elusive. To achieve the level of success we need and expect, I have determined a change in leadership is necessary."

KU assistant athletic director Sean Lester will be interim AD, while Drue Jennings — who was interim AD in 2003 when KU hired basketball coach Bill Self — will lead the search committee.

Girod also said he spoke with KU football coach David Beaty earlier Monday and "shared my expectation that he will continue recruiting hard and getting his team ready for the season."

Zenger's biggest failure with KU was football. As a former football assistant coach, he was hired in 2011 to help revive the program, though his hiring of Charlie Weis set the team back scholarships-wise before Zenger chose David Beaty as his replacement. Through three seasons, Beaty has compiled a 3-33 record with just one FBS victory.

Among Zenger's greatest accomplishments, though, was improving the facilities outside football. That included construction of Rock Chalk Park, which houses track and field, softball, soccer and tennis. KU Athletics also constructed McCarthy Hall — a dorm used primarily for the men's basketball players — and the DeBruce Center, a building adjacent to Allen Fieldhouse that houses James Naismith's original rules of basketball.

Per a contract extension signed in summer 2017, Zenger would be owed two years' salary — or $1.4 million — for termination without cause.

[Buehler445]

So football?

[Buehler445]

At least I hope it’s football not impending doom from the FBI investigation

[BigRedChief]

At least I hope it’s football not impending doom from the FBI investigationDont know the answer but was Self happy with the guy? Could he be upset with his firing?

[lawrenceRaider]

Dont know the answer but was Self happy with the guy? Could he be upset with his firing?

Very doubtful.

[Lex Luthor]

Dont know the answer but was Self happy with the guy? Could he be upset with his firing?

It’s about damn time they fired Zenger. He obviously had nothing to do with success of the basketball team, and the football team is arguably the worst in the nation.

Good riddance.

[Kiimo]

Dont know the answer but was Self happy with the guy? Could he be upset with his firing?

Self isn't dumb, people get fired when they can't do their job and his job was to get football on the winning track and it is definitely, inarguably, hilariously NOT on the right track.

[BigRedChief]

It’s about damn time they fired Zenger. He obviously had nothing to do with success of the basketball team, and the football team is arguably the worst in the nation.

Good riddance.Oh I agree. But, maybe the next guy wants to get involved in the basketball program? I'm sure Self would be like, thanks but I'll let you know if I need something. As long as that's the SOP between the AD and Self, I'm sure he doesn't care who the AD is currently.

They need to do something with the football program but I could care less about that if anything associated with that effort upsets Self.

[BryanBusby]

At least I hope it’s football not impending doom from the FBI investigation
Would be odd timing if it were related to the football program. Should of made that move many months ago.

[BWillie]

It’s about damn time they fired Zenger. He obviously had nothing to do with success of the basketball team, and the football team is arguably the worst in the nation.

Good riddance.

Whut! Linki?

[Monkey God]

At least I hope it’s football not impending doom from the FBI investigation

The FBI thing couldn't have helped his situation...but the athletic program has some other issues going on off the field...It hasn't been a story in KC yet, but has been in both Topeka and Wichita...hazing and department cover up in the cheerleading program. I know sounds like a joke, but may end up in a big $$$ lawsuit and possible criminal action. There are some Title IX issues being brought up currently, and of course the whole lack of football success. The big surprise was how sudden the move was.

[BWillie]

The FBI thing couldn't have helped his situation...but the athletic program has some other issues going on off the field...It hasn't been a story in KC yet, but has been in both Topeka and Wichita...hazing and department cover up in the cheerleading program. I know sounds like a joke, but may end up in a big $$$ lawsuit and possible criminal action. There are some Title IX issues being brought up currently, and of course the whole lack of football success. The big surprise was how sudden the move was.

Fall guy. Bill is fist pumping. Don't think he is a fan of Zenger anymore. Lets rehire Perkins and Magino.

[Buehler445]

Would be odd timing if it were related to the football program. Should of made that move many months ago.

I'd guess you get your AD up and running so he can make a call with a full staff and operational control come football season.

[Chiefspants]

Zenger has been fired.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article211582259.html

KU fires athletic director Sheahon Zenger: 'Progress in key areas has been elusive'

By Jesse Newell

jnewell@kcstar.com


May 21, 2018 10:31 AM

Updated 5 minutes ago

University of Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger has been fired after seven years with the department, KU chancellor Douglas Girod announced Monday morning.

In an email sent to KU faculty and staff, Girod credited Zenger for his loyalty before saying, "Athletics continues to face a number of challenges, and progress in key areas has been elusive. To achieve the level of success we need and expect, I have determined a change in leadership is necessary."

KU assistant athletic director Sean Lester will be interim AD, while Drue Jennings — who was interim AD in 2003 when KU hired basketball coach Bill Self — will lead the search committee.

Girod also said he spoke with KU football coach David Beaty earlier Monday and "shared my expectation that he will continue recruiting hard and getting his team ready for the season."

Zenger's biggest failure with KU was football. As a former football assistant coach, he was hired in 2011 to help revive the program, though his hiring of Charlie Weis set the team back scholarships-wise before Zenger chose David Beaty as his replacement. Through three seasons, Beaty has compiled a 3-33 record with just one FBS victory.

Among Zenger's greatest accomplishments, though, was improving the facilities outside football. That included construction of Rock Chalk Park, which houses track and field, softball, soccer and tennis. KU Athletics also constructed McCarthy Hall — a dorm used primarily for the men's basketball players — and the DeBruce Center, a building adjacent to Allen Fieldhouse that houses James Naismith's original rules of basketball.

Per a contract extension signed in summer 2017, Zenger would be owed two years' salary — or $1.4 million — for termination without cause.

Though this could mean we're hit with a vacated final four and B12 title - allow me to say Thank GOD.

[sedated]

Would be odd timing if it were related to the football program. Should of made that move many months ago.

From my limited understanding, it seems to be a combination of backlash from fans about the football situation combined with athletic department ineptitude all around. Fans/boosters have been sending pleas to the Chancellor for months asking for Zenger to be fired, and when that didn't happen fans turned against the Chancellor as well. The cheerleader hazing story coming to light through K-State didn't help I'm sure.

[Chiefspants]

Oh I agree. But, maybe the next guy wants to get involved in the basketball program? I'm sure Self would be like, thanks but I'll let you know if I need something. As long as that's the SOP between the AD and Self, I'm sure he doesn't care who the AD is currently.

They need to do something with the football program but I could care less about that if anything associated with that effort upsets Self.

It went beyond the major sports, KU's Volleyball program and Girl's B-Ball program had been rebuilt from the ground up, and to my knowledge, Zenger either directly led to those coaches leaving or let them jump ship. Both programs are now in complete disarray.

Dude was just in over his head from the beginning.

[Buehler445]

Though this could mean we're hit with a vacated final four and B12 title - allow me to say Thank GOD.

What am I missing.

[Chiefspants]

What am I missing.

I think we're all a bit nervous from the FBI news and hoping but the best but preparing for the worst on that front.

Zenger needed to be canned after last football season ended, so while I'm pumped for the news the timing does feel a bit odd.

[Buehler445]

I think we're all a bit nervous from the FBI news and hoping but the best but preparing for the worst on that front.

Zenger needed to be canned after last football season ended, so while I'm pumped for the news the timing does feel a bit odd.

Gotcha. I wasn’t following.

[Coach]

Zenger getting canned was probably linked to the FBI situation and the cheerleading/Title IX situation, but I believe it has to do more of the awful product of a football team they keep throwing out there, especially when they keep losing so much money.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/06/kansas-football-ticket-sales-hit-new-low-in-2017-down-over-6-million-from-2009/

In new figures obtained by the Lawrence Journal-World, we now know just how much: ticket sales dipped to a new low of $3.4 million this past season. That’s a drop of some 65% from their peak of $9.5 million in 2009 and a nearly $6 million shortfall as a result.

[KC_Connection]

It's completely about the football program and the need to improve that before we lose our place among the major conferences. The thing is a damn embarrassment and it's beyond me why nothing has been done about it before now.

[Coach]

It's completely about the football program and the need to improve that before we lose our place among the major conferences. The thing is a damn embarrassment and it's beyond me why nothing has been done about it before now.

I was surprised that KU didn't go for the athletics upgrades quickly when Mangino was still coaching for KU. That would had worked out well for them, because the team was winning, tickets were a hot commodity, and I believe had they done it during 2007-2009 seasons, the stadium wouldn't be in disrepair.

[BigRedChief]

It went beyond the major sports, KU's Volleyball program and Girl's B-Ball program had been rebuilt from the ground up, and to my knowledge, Zenger either directly led to those coaches leaving or let them jump ship. Both programs are now in complete disarray.

Dude was just in over his head from the beginning.as long as any AD is hands off his program beyond fundraising l don’t see why Self would have a problem with any AD. There is no AD that would be stupid enough to come in and make changes to Self’s basketball or doing anything to make Self even mildly uncomfortable.

[KC_Connection]

I was surprised that KU didn't go for the athletics upgrades quickly when Mangino was still coaching for KU. That would had worked out well for them, because the team was winning, tickets were a hot commodity, and I believe had they done it during 2007-2009 seasons, the stadium wouldn't be in disrepair.
They tried. It fell apart after the Mangino situation.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/jan/27/kus-gridiron-club-flops/

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Lew Perkins sold off all your athletics equipment.

[BryanBusby]

Yeah, looks like it's really just football related. While Zenger was bad at his job, the timing of the move isn't going to do a dumpster fire any favors.

[Titty Meat]

Didn't KU have a chance at getting Harbaugh but hired Gil instead?

[TambaBerry]

Yeah, looks like it's really just football related. While Zenger was bad at his job, the timing of the move isn't going to do a dumpster fire any favors.

Yes it will, it will allow them to fire their shit head coach and hopefully find a young guy like Iowa State did. KU should be better then Iowa State when it comes to football. A 6-6 team sometimes winning 8-9 games is plenty doable at KU

[Buehler445]

Didn't KU have a chance at getting Harbaugh but hired Gil instead?

Not realistically, no.

[sedated]

KC radio d-bag with agenda: "If you didn't live in the KC area, you'd have to think this is all about the FBI investigation, right? That's the perception nationally. It's going to be very tough for KU to hire an experienced AD with the FBI knocking on their door"

National guy: "This is long overdue with how much of a joke that football program has become. KU's AD hired Weis and Beatty (mispronounced). The guy should have been gone years ago, after just 1 of those hires, much less both."

[Coogs]

It went beyond the major sports, KU's Volleyball program and Girl's B-Ball program had been rebuilt from the ground up, and to my knowledge, Zenger either directly led to those coaches leaving or let them jump ship. Both programs are now in complete disarray.

Dude was just in over his head from the beginning.

Bechard left the volleyball team?

[Lzen]

It's completely about the football program and the need to improve that before we lose our place among the major conferences. The thing is a damn embarrassment and it's beyond me why nothing has been done about it before now.

This is spot on. :clap:

[Lzen]

Yes it will, it will allow them to fire their shit head coach and hopefully find a young guy like Iowa State did. KU should be better then Iowa State when it comes to football. A 6-6 team sometimes winning 8-9 games is plenty doable at KU

Yep. Beaty had better show big improvement this season or he's gone.

[Lzen]

KC radio d-bag with agenda: "If you didn't live in the KC area, you'd have to think this is all about the FBI investigation, right? That's the perception nationally. It's going to be very tough for KU to hire an experienced AD with the FBI knocking on their door"

National guy: "This is long overdue with how much of a joke that football program has become. KU's AD hired Weis and Beatty (mispronounced). The guy should have been gone years ago, after just 1 of those hires, much less both."

Assuming you mean KK? We can always count on that guy. :rolleyes:

[Messier]

KC radio d-bag with agenda: "If you didn't live in the KC area, you'd have to think this is all about the FBI investigation, right? That's the perception nationally. It's going to be very tough for KU to hire an experienced AD with the FBI knocking on their door"

National guy: "This is long overdue with how much of a joke that football program has become. KU's AD hired Weis and Beatty (mispronounced). The guy should have been gone years ago, after just 1 of those hires, much less both."

He’s such a dill weed. He’s laser focused on KU. Gets all his theories from his millionaire KSU alumni golfing buddies. Acting all disgusted by the cheerleading story when he is someone of very questionable morals.

[Kiimo]

Soren absolutely roasting the Journal World this morning was so enjoyable to listen to. They have a very weird agenda.

[Chiefspants]

Bechard left the volleyball team?

My bad, I should have said assistant. Laura Kuhn. The program hit unprecedented success with her as an assistant (beyond what Bechard had achieved flying solo) - and many in the program were hoping we'd have an AD with enough vision to keep her in the program.

[Lzen]

Soren absolutely roasting the Journal World this morning was so enjoyable to listen to. They have a very weird agenda.

???

[Lzen]

ROFL :shake:
https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/Report-Rogue-agent-could-trouble-FBI-college-basketball-case-118462529

[Coogs]

My bad, I should have said assistant. Laura Kuhn. The program hit unprecedented success with her as an assistant (beyond what Bechard had achieved flying solo) - and many in the program were hoping we'd have an AD with enough vision to keep her in the program.

Okay. I would have been shocked to have heard Bechard left. I am assuming KU is his last job, and that he will retire from that position rather than go somewhere else.

[Mr. Plow]

Last I heard Dok didn't hire an agent - when does he have to make a decision to go or come back?

[Mr. Plow]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s not a total surprise… but I’m being told Udoka Azubuike will make it official that he will return to KU for the ’18/19 season. Congrats Jayhawk fans!</p>&mdash; Soren Petro (@SorenPetro) <a href="https://twitter.com/SorenPetro/status/1001821431288745984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Mr. Plow]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now coach Self confirms as well that Doke is coming back.</p>&mdash; Gary Bedore (@GaryBedore) <a href="https://twitter.com/GaryBedore/status/1001877721176297481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[BWillie]

This just in, Kansas is expected to be a really bad FT shooting team in 2019.

[BigRedChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now coach Self confirms as well that Doke is coming back.</p>&mdash; Gary Bedore (@GaryBedore) <a href="https://twitter.com/GaryBedore/status/1001877721176297481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Different era. 10 years ago, he’s a lottery pick.

[BWillie]

Different era. 10 years ago, he’s a lottery pick.

Maybe. He has a 7'6'' wingspan and isn't a great shot blocker. And is a bad rebounder. I have no idea how that is even possible with his body. He plays more like a crafty unathletic center most of the time. He really has a decent array of moves down there. Then you see him throw down some thunderous dunks and are like, alright, this guy has the talent.

[HolyHandgernade]

Dok is still developing as a basketball player. Joel had an incredible learning curve. Dok is more of what to expect from a player that came to the game late. That front line is going to be incredible this year!

[Lzen]

This just in, Kansas is expected to be a really bad FT shooting team in 2019.

ROFLROFL

:deevee::deevee:

[BigRedChief]

That front line is going to be incredible this year!I fully expect Self to go back to his traditional high/low offense next year now that he will have the players to run that offense.

[Lzen]

Dok returning is great news! As for his weaknesses, I would bet that he improves in those areas partly due to having depth now. He will be able to take more chances plus he will have learned how to play smarter. Keep in mind that last year was essentially his freshman season. I mean, yeah, he did play for a little while in the non con of his true freshman season but he got injured. I also expect the coaching staff to do a lot of work in the off season on his FT form.

[BigRedChief]

Dok returning is great news! As for his weaknesses, I would bet that he improves in those areas partly due to having depth now. He will be able to take more chances plus he will have learned how to play smarter. Keep in mind that last year was essentially his freshman season. I mean, yeah, he did play for a little while in the non con of his true freshman season but he got injured. I also expect the coaching staff to do a lot of work in the off season on his FT form.Yeah he played tentative at times due to not having a high caliber replacement if he got into foul trouble. That wont be an issue next year.

[TambaBerry]

Maybe. He has a 7'6'' wingspan and isn't a great shot blocker. And is a bad rebounder. I have no idea how that is even possible with his body. He plays more like a crafty unathletic center most of the time. He really has a decent array of moves down there. Then you see him throw down some thunderous dunks and are like, alright, this guy has the talent.

13 points 7 rebounds and 1.7 blocks per game while shooting 77%.....

[BWillie]

13 points 7 rebounds and 1.7 blocks per game while shooting 77%.....

Yeah exactly. 7 rebounds with a 7'7'' wingspan. That is very weak. Especially with the thought that he had to play some what tentative meaning he probably was told to not go after as many shots to block or pick up fouls since we didn't have a quality replacement.

[BigRedChief]

13 points 7 rebounds and 1.7 blocks per game while shooting 77%.....Obviously the pro teams thought that was weak or he would have turned pro.

[TambaBerry]

Obviously the pro teams thought that was weak or he would have turned pro.

no, its because he is still raw and next years draft is a lot weaker at his position.

[BWillie]

no, its because he is still raw and next years draft is a lot weaker at his position.

Doke is never going to have a midrange game. He just needs to show NBA Scouts he can rebound BETTER and make 55-60% of his FTs. But your point is valid. I think that is in his mind too, he'll have a better opportunity next year without the Aytons, Bagleys, and Bambas of the world.

[Lzen]

Doke is never going to have a midrange game. He just needs to show NBA Scouts he can rebound BETTER and make 55-60% of his FTs. But your point is valid. I think that is in his mind too, he'll have a better opportunity next year without the Aytons, Bagleys, and Bambas of the world.

I agree but the FT shooting should be 60+.

[HolyHandgernade]

Lagerald Vick pulled his name out of draft and contemplating options INCLUDING returning to KU.

[KC_Connection]

Lagerald Vick pulled his name out of draft and contemplating options INCLUDING returning to KU.
Hope not.

[HolyHandgernade]

Hope not.

Really? We just went through a mini recruiting battle with Villanova over a small college shooter, have an open scholarship for the year, and there's a player who's an above average athlete, can shoot it, and is familiar with KU?

I mean, ultimately Self will make that call, but if he and Vick are on board, I'm riding that train with them.

[smithandrew051]

Hope not.

I wouldn’t mind having him back. We could use the experience at guard for next year. I also think he’d be better playing in a more traditional lineup next year.

I wanted him to leave if it meant landing Langford, but that didn’t happen obviously. I don’t really like the idea of starting 3 new guards (my guesss is that it will be Moore, Dotson, and Grimes if Vick doesn’t return since Bill loves playing 2 point guards).

[KC_Connection]

Really? We just went through a mini recruiting battle with Villanova over a small college shooter, have an open scholarship for the year, and there's a player who's an above average athlete, can shoot it, and is familiar with KU?

I mean, ultimately Self will make that call, but if he and Vick are on board, I'm riding that train with them.
Doubt Self with have the guy back. He was not even a good college player and they need the minutes for guys who have a chance to actually be good.

[BigRedChief]

Lagerald Vick pulled his name out of draft and contemplating options INCLUDING returning to KU.and according to Mom, transferring to another college.

[KC_Connection]

and according to Mom, transferring to another college.
BTW, the Vick news means I won my bet with you (about him not getting drafted this year). I can't even remember what it was, was it $50 to a Veteran's charity of your choice or something?

[BigRedChief]

BTW, the Vick news means I won my bet with you (about him not getting drafted this year). I can't even remember what it was, was it $50 to a Veteran's charity of your choice or something?it was if he was drafted if he stayed in the draft and it was $20. He’s not staying in the draft. There is no bet. Check the facts and bet.

[KC_Connection]

it was if he was drafted if he stayed in the draft and it was $20. He’s not staying in the draft. There is no bet. Check the facts and bet.


I think your wrong.

Want to make a bet? If Vick decides to leave after this year and Vick gets drafted by the NBA, you give $20 to a vets charity. He doesn't get drafted, I give the $20 to the vets charity?


That's fine with me, but whoever wins is dependent on whether he gets drafted after this year.

He could always decide to leave, not get drafted and go play in Europe or something. In fact, I expect that's where his future lies (likely after his senior year).

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=13221342#post13221342

More than a bit of a copout there because the only reason he's pulled his name out of the draft is because he's clearly not going to get drafted. I literally predicted exactly what was going to happen to him this season (especially if he goes to the G League as has been suggested). But hey, if you want to opt out of it on a technicality like that, fine.

[BigRedChief]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=13221342#post13221342

More than a bit of a copout there because the only reason he's pulled his name out of the draft is because he's clearly not going to get drafted. I literally predicted exactly what was going to happen to him this season (especially if he goes to the G League as has been suggested). But hey, if you want to opt out of it on a technicality like that, fine.nlm



The bet clearly states if Vick leaves and enters draft and is or isn't drafted. He's not even entering the draft. Its not a cop out.There was 3 conditions to be met. Your doing more than just moving the goal posts after the bets were placed.


You think I'm welsh like Clay? I'll move the goal posts like you did.


Vick doesn't come back to KU, I'll give up the money to charity. Deal?

[HolyHandgernade]

and according to Mom, transferring to another college.

Really, is that new? I saw tweets they were talking with Self this week. Transferring to another college was an option, but I didn't thiunk a decision had been made.

[HolyHandgernade]

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/jun/01/former-jayhawk-lagerald-vick-pulls-name-nba-draft-/

According to his mother, LaLa Vick, returning to school remains one of Vick’s options, but that does not necessarily mean a return to KU.

“We’re looking at all options,” LaLa Vick told the Journal-World on Friday night.

Included among them are the possibility of going straight to the NBA’s G League, which LaLa said was the only option that Vick had mentioned to her specifically. At this time, it does not appear that Vick has any interest in playing overseas.

Although that may still be the case, there appears to be at least a sliver of a chance that Vick could find his way back to Kansas, provided the KU coaching staff is willing to take him back.

“That option is still on the table,” LaLa said, noting that she and her son planned to call KU coach Bill Self soon to look further into the possibility of a return to KU.

Should Vick elect to return to college but not play at Kansas, he would have to sit out a year in accordance with NCAA transfer rules before being eligible again, unless he can obtain enough credits to graduate before the end of summer school.

[KC_Connection]

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The bet clearly states if Vick leaves and enters draft and is or isn't drafted. He's not even entering the draft. Its not a cop out.There was 3 conditions to be met. Your doing more than just moving the goal posts after the bets were placed.

Well he did kind of enter the draft. He likely just found out everybody thinks he sucks (which he kind of does), so he pulled his name back out to reconsider his future.


Vick doesn't come back to KU, I'll give up the money to charity. Deal?
If that's what you want to do. I don't think Self will have him back (as he kind of sucks), but I'm far less sure about that than I was about the fact that he wasn't getting drafted at the end of his junior year.

[Chiefspants]

Can I volunteer the non-profit I oversee for where the money goes? ;)

[BWillie]

Hope not.

We need is 3 point shooting alone. Charlie Moore is going to be our best 3 point threat next year. Vick is better than KJ Lawson.

[KC_Connection]

We need is 3 point shooting alone. Charlie Moore is going to be our best 3 point threat next year. Vick is better than KJ Lawson.
I don't even care what he shoots, I can't watch a guy who doesn't know how to play basketball play that many minutes again.

[sedated]

If he hasn't graduated, I'm not sure how realistic transferring is. Who sits out a year before their senior year?

[BWillie]

I don't even care what he shoots, I can't watch a guy who doesn't know how to play basketball play that many minutes again.

49% FG, 38% 3FG while shooting over 4 a game, reasonable assist to turnover ratio, almost 5 RPG a game.Did he disappoint the 2nd half of the year? Absolutely. But you take him back while fist pumping. We were going to offer a scholarship to some mid-major dudes, and now we get to welcome Vick back?

[BigRedChief]

Can I volunteer the non-profit I oversee for where the money goes? ;)PM me

[saphojunkie]

Vick coming back! OP edited.

[BWillie]

KC Connection weeps.

We are fucking loaded. As long as the Lawsons don't punch anybody in the face, I like our chances.

[KC_Connection]

https://media.giphy.com/media/12XMGIWtrHBl5e/200w.gif

[smithandrew051]

I bet he begins the year as the starter. My guess is we go

Moore
Vick
Grimes
Lawson
Udoka

That leaves a great bench of:
Dotson
Lawson
De Sousa
McCormack
Garrett
Lightfoot

The lineup may change a bit by the end of the year, but that is a loaded roster.

[bdj23]

First 1 seed to lose to a 16.

Thanks, Vick.

[Coogs]

First 1 seed to lose to a 16.

Thanks, Vick.

First since Virginia?

[smithandrew051]

First since Virginia?

Vick made us lose to the greatest 1 seed ever in Penn. I’m still worried about Seton Hall.

[BigRedChief]

https://media.giphy.com/media/12XMGIWtrHBl5e/200w.gifhow do you interpet our bet with this information? It seems to me that the criteria for a winner or loser were not met.

[KC_Connection]

how do you interpet our bet with this information? It seems to me that the criteria for a winner or loser were not met.
Well technically I don't think it was now (even though I was actually right about him not being a NBA prospect and think he did actually "decide to leave" college/KU and just realized that nobody thought he was any good and then decided to return). My expectation was for exactly that to happen except for him to go play pro in Europe or with the NBA development league instead of a return like this.

As he's still at KU, there are no winners here.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Well technically I don't think it was now (even though I was actually right about him not being a NBA prospect and think he did actually "decide to leave" college/KU and just realized that nobody thought he was any good and then decided to return). My expectation was for exactly that to happen except for him to go play pro in Europe or with the NBA development league instead of a return like this.

As he's still at KU, there are no winners here.

I'm surprised Bill took him back, tbh. LV is such a cerebral-lacking player.... ESPECIALLY as an upperclassman.... it's truly baffling. He makes Wayne Selden look like a member of Mensa on the court.

[Prison Bitch]

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The bet clearly states if Vick leaves and enters draft and is or isn't drafted. He's not even entering the draft. Its not a cop out.There was 3 conditions to be met. Your doing more than just moving the goal posts after the bets were placed.


You think I'm welsh like Clay? I'll move the goal posts like you did.


Vick doesn't come back to KU, I'll give up the money to charity. Deal?

I declare you the winner of this debate.

[CoMoChief]

Eh....I don't care either way if Vick left of not. He's a stupid player on the court. Had h obtained the court smarts, he'd play himself into potentially an all Big12 player.

He's just so fuckin stupid Self can't afford to have him on the court much.

I'm worried more about the PG position. Losing Mason wasn't that big of a blow because Graham was still on the roster. Now they're both gone, but I think now the majority of the scoring will come from down low. Last yr's team was the most anti-Self team people have seen since Self's been at KU.

Look for Doka to get the ball in the paint as the first option all season. Esp now since there's more depth down low than there's been in some time.

[Mr. Plow]

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/jul/05/jeff-long-hired-kus-new-athletic-director/

The search for the next athletic director at the University of Kansas is over.

KU chancellor Douglas A. Girod officially named former Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long to the position on Thursday afternoon, a day after Long signed a five-year contract.

Long brings more than two decades of experience in athletic administration at the Division I level, most recently at Arkansas, where he led a program comprising 19 sports and 460 student-athletes from 2008 through 2017, before the university fired him this past November.

Long will be officially introduced at a news conference on Wednesday, in Lawrence at a time and location to be determined. He will start his role Aug. 1.

“Jeff Long has tremendous leadership and administrative experience in major college athletics, and he is a terrific fit for Kansas Athletics as we work to ensure our student-athletes succeed on the field and in the classroom,” Girod said in a KU release. “Those who know him describe him as a man of character who cares deeply about higher education and the student-athletes he serves. For all these reasons, we are thrilled to welcome him to the University of Kansas.”

Long’s contract with Kansas Athletics will pay him $1.5 million per year for five years. Of that amount, $1.3 million is paid by private funds from Kansas Athletics Inc., with the remaining $200,000 paid by the university.

According to a recently published list of salaries for Big 12 athletic directors, from Spencer Fane LLP, Long’s contract would pay him more than Texas Tech’s Kirby Hocutt, who made $1.45 million for the 2017-18 academic year — highest in the conference among public institutions this past year (salaries for TCU and Baylor were not available). Long’s deal currently ranks second in annual salary among athletic directors at public Big 12 institutions, behind the $1.55 million-per-year extension to which Oklahoma’s Joe Castiglione agreed this past May.

“My family and I are thrilled to join Chancellor Girod’s leadership team at the University of Kansas,” Long stated in the release. “It was clear from the moment I met with the chancellor and his search committee members, they have a deep love for the university and understand and appreciate the positive role intercollegiate athletics plays in the university community. Through our conversations, it became evident we share a common belief that the student-athlete experience prepares young people for the challenges they will face throughout life. I am excited to work with the student-athletes, coaches, staff, the community of Lawrence and the incredible fan base to build on past success and create a shared vision for the future of Kansas Athletics.”

Long’s contract states: “Should the university be placed under any federal, state, NCAA, or conference investigation leading to restrictions or probation for its football, men’s basketball, women’s basketball or women’s volleyball athletic programs for matters occurring prior to (Aug. 1, Long’s start date), the term of the contract shall be extended equal to the length of the penalties.”

Should Long opt to terminate the contract before it expires, terms state the buy-out obligations as: $3 million before the start of year 3; $1.5 million after the start of year 3, but before the start of year 4; $1 million after the start of year 4, but before the start of year 5.

If KU were to terminate the contract without just cause, Long would receive payment of unpaid salary and vacation pay to the date of termination, as well as release payments, payable on a monthly basis, equivalent, in sum total, to the remaining base salary guaranteed on the contract.

The contract also states if Long is terminated for any other reason — including death, disability or just cause — he would receive payment of unpaid salary and vacation pay to the date of termination and no other compensation or severance other than minimum payments (if any) required under applicable employment standards legislation.

During Long’s tenure at Arkansas, Razorbacks teams captured 34 conference championships and advanced to 139 postseason competitions, including the school’s first Bowl Championship Series appearance in football and national titles at the 2013 NCAA Men’s Indoor and 2015 NCAA Women’s Indoor Track and Field Championships, as well as the 2016 NCAA Outdoor Track and Field Championships.
In 2016-17, Arkansas finished No. 20 in the Learfield Directors' Cup, which measures universities’ success across all sports, marking the university’s eighth top-25 finish in the previous 10 years. Long also launched a $160 million renovation to Razorback Stadium. In the classroom, the Razorbacks posted a school record student-athlete GPA and exceeded the national APR multiyear rate in all 19 sports, including posting its highest program average ever.

Prior to leading Arkansas, Long served as athletics director at Pittsburgh. Additionally, he held administrative roles at Oklahoma, Michigan, Virginia Tech, Eastern Kentucky and Rice. He held coaching staff positions at Duke, Michigan and North Carolina State. In total, he has been an athletic director and administrator in five of the six Bowl Championship Series conferences — the Big 12, Big Ten, Big East, ACC and SEC.

Additionally, Long served as the chairman of the inaugural College Football Playoff selection committee for 2014 and 2015 and remained a member of the committee through 2017.

Long comes to KU after a seven-week search process headed by Girod and KU alumnus Drue Jennings, who served as KU’s interim director of athletics in 2003.

“We are thrilled to have someone of Jeff’s caliber joining the University of Kansas,” Jennings stated. “Jeff has a record of integrity, experience in hiring coaches, ties with other Bowl Championship Series schools, effective fundraising and a willingness to lead on national issues affecting college athletics. We can be proud that he’s joining us at KU, and we can be confident that Kansas Athletics is in good hands under his leadership.”

KU basketball coach Bill Self in a statement described Long as “among the best and most respected” athletic directors around.

“He has great experience, a great pedigree, and he knows what it takes to succeed at the highest levels,” Self said. “While I’m just getting to know Jeff, I’m impressed that he’s universally described as a high-character guy who will provide strong support for every sport across the entire athletics program. From my perspective, he’s exactly the type of leader we need. Our fans can be excited about the future of Kansas Athletics.”

Fourth-year KU football coach David Beaty tweeted out his comments on Long’s hire Thursday afternoon.

“I am excited to have Jeff Long joining the Jayhawk family,” Beaty wrote. “I have heard many wonderful things about his leadership style and I look forward to working with him.”

An Ohio native, Long and his wife, Fanny, have two daughters, Stephanie and Christina.

[Prison Bitch]

Why is David Beatty opining on anything? He doesn't have that right

[Titty Meat]

Maryland just got subpoenaed about the recruitment of Desouza

[BWillie]

Maryland just got subpoenaed about the recruitment of Desouza

Yeah, hes not going to play next year if we don't get this sorted out. Bill won't want to risk the streak, just like he did this year with Preston. Most schools would have just played him.

[Chazno]

Yeah, hes not going to play next year if we don't get this sorted out. Bill won't want to risk the streak, just like he did this year with Preston. Most schools would have just played him.

If he is ruled ineligible, isn't the streak already dead since he played last year?

[CoMoChief]

If he is ruled ineligible, isn't the streak already dead since he played last year?

Negative vibes are not needed at this time, sir.

[BigRedChief]

If he is ruled ineligible, isn't the streak already dead since he played last year?yeah, why would it matter now?

[smithandrew051]

If he is ruled ineligible, isn't the streak already dead since he played last year?

I don’t think they typically award the runner up when something is vacated. So last year would be vacant, and to me the stream would still be in tact. It would just be 13 instead of 14.

[Monkey God]

So KU now acknowledges they have been subpoenaed by the FBI. No wonder Long wanted the probation clause in his deal.

[Kiimo]

you'd have to be an idiot not to assume that already before this non-news today

[BigRedChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lagerald Vick and Bill Self agreed last season would be his final one at KU. The story behind that decision -- and why that all changed. <a href="https://t.co/aeWcZllxdz">https://t.co/aeWcZllxdz</a></p>&mdash; The Fieldhouse (@TheAthleticCBB) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticCBB/status/1019280582390505472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[DJJasonp]

So KU now acknowledges they have been subpoenaed by the FBI. No wonder Long wanted the probation clause in his deal.

obvious trolling - or just a nitwit?

The acknowledgement is as a victim - not accused.

And probation clauses are pretty common - (as new ADs wouldnt want to be held accountable for actions that MIGHT have occurred prior to their hire).

Pretty standard stuff.

Asked for a reaction to the Yahoo report, Self said, "I don't have one. The word on the subpoena that was reported by, I guess, Yahoo wasn't news. That was something that was part of our statement months [ago]."

Self was supposedly referring to KU's assertion it was a "victim" in an April indictment handed down by the U.S. Attorney's Office of the Southern District of New York.

In the indictment the mother of former Kansas player Billy Preston was allegedly given at least $90,000 from an Adidas executive and an AAU coach affiliated with adidas.

That indictment also included the allegations about De Sousa. De Sousa's guardian told the Kansas City Star he denied taking payments.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kansas-coach-bill-self-says-silvio-de-sousas-eligibility-not-in-jeopardy-at-this-stage/

[ROYC75]

So KU now acknowledges they have been subpoenaed by the FBI. No wonder Long wanted the probation clause in his deal.

Look ! We have a new Dingbat within our ranks!

Good work fool, you are late with old news that doesn't prove anything negative towards KU!

You hereby win this weeks prestigious award," This Weeks Top Idiot within the Dingbats! "

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[bdj23]

Apparently Zenger is still in Lawrence? Cus i just took a piss next to him in a bar bathroom.

Ama

[Pablo]

Apparently Zenger is still in Lawrence? Cus i just took a piss next to him in a bar bathroom.

AmaHow big was his second thumb when you shook his hand?

[BWillie]

In this Rivalry Renewed thing of KU Alums vs Mizzou alums - Apparently KU won again. 109-101.

Former University of Kansas wing Brandon Rush, whose 10-year NBA career is in danger of ending, looked like a guy worthy of another pro contract during Saturday’s Rivalry Renewed KU-Missouri alumni basketball game at Silverstein Eye Centers Arena.

The 6-foot-6, 33-year-old Rush scored 21 points in the first 10 minutes — and finished with 46 points — in the Jayhawks’ 109-101 victory over the Tigers. The game was attended by about 2,500 fans who were treated to some fast-paced hoops between the alums of the rival schools.

“I felt like I was on fire,” Rush said. “I felt like everything was going to go in. It comes from repetition,” said Rush, who is an NBA free agent.

Rush made eight three-pointers.

“All I’ve been doing in Indiana (where he lives) is shoot the ball. I was out this year,” added Rush, who had just one 10-day contract with Portland last season.

Rush scored 21 points the initial half, while his brother Kareem, who said before the charity game he’d “score 30 easy” for MU, tallied 14 points in the first half as the teams played to a 54-54 halftime tie.

“I’m proud of him. He got 50 on me,” said Kareem Rush, who finished with the 14 points, sinking four threes the first half. “Now I know what he’s been doing in Indiana. I wondered what he’s been doing up there. I think he deserves to be back in the league,” Kareem Rush added.

Brandon Rush said this was not a performance meant to send a message to NBA scouts.

“No message,” Brandon Rush said. “I just need to get a shot again. If I can get my foot in the door I’m pretty sure I could make a team happy.”

Mario Chamers scored 21 points, Travis Releford 16, Tyrel Reed 13, Brady Morningstar 12 and Jeff Graves five for the KU team.

Leo Lyons scored 34 points, and Stefhon Hannah scored 26 for Missouri. Rickey Paulding, as did Kareem Rush, had 14.

[saphojunkie]

Full schedule out. Thanks BigRedChief.

[Ceej]

What's the hot rumor on why Jacobs de-commited?

[saphojunkie]

What's the hot rumor on why Jacobs de-commited?

I think he committed super early and frankly he's being recruited over.

[Ceej]

I think he committed super early and frankly he's being recruited over.

Thought Self and co loved the kid. Tough kid from the Chicago area, right?

A little short, but heard he had a bulldog mentality, ala Mason.

[O.city]

Didn't know they were playing Villanova in Lawrence this year.

[BigRedChief]

Full schedule out. Thanks BigRedChief.Came across my twitter feed.

[JoeyChuckles]

What's the hot rumor on why Jacobs de-commited?

He attended the football game on Saturday. That was his reason.

[Ceej]

He attended the football game on Saturday. That was his reason.

If that was the case - KU bball would miss out on a ton of recruits.

[Sorce]

If that was the case - KU bball would miss out on a ton of recruits.

Just bring the football recruits to basketball games, problem solved.

[BWillie]

I honestly think KU Football sucking ass so much is helpful. They know they will be the big fish. Basketball is king and it's no secret here.

[Lzen]

Thanks, BRC, for the schedule link. But since BRC only posted that link in the old, I'll go ahead and post it here.

https://kuathletics.com/documents/2018/9/4//KUMBB_2019_schedule.pdf

Looks like I'll need to hang on to that ESPN+ subscription through December.

[BigRedChief]

Thanks, BRC, for the schedule link. But since BRC only posted that link in the old, I'll go ahead and post it here.

https://kuathletics.com/documents/2018/9/4//KUMBB_2019_schedule.pdf

Looks like I'll need to hang on to that ESPN+ subscription through December.Seems like Sappo should update the OP.:hmmm:

[saphojunkie]

Seems like Sappo should update the OP.:hmmm:

I typed the whole thing out!

[Ceej]

Any chance we can convince Cassius Stanley to leave the west coast?

KU, Oregon and UCLA are his final 3.

[TambaBerry]

Any chance we can convince Cassius Stanley to leave the west coast?

KU, Oregon and UCLA are his final 3.

Yes

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Don't know, but I know this will be one of the best sports years in memory. Mahomes setting the world on fire + possibly Self's best team ever. Yes indeed.

[Ceej]

Yes

feel great now. thx.

[BWillie]

Missouri just got the #125 ranked recruit in 2019.

Last week Kansas got a commitment from Blue Valley Northwest player Christian Braun, who is ranked #112 in 2019.

One fan base fawning over new commitment, while the other is like - oh cool - maybe a nice 4-year player who will never start and can red shirt next year.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Not exciting, but I like seeing Bill recruiting more local players.

[BigRedChief]

possibly Self's best team ever. Yes indeed.Jinxed! :shake:

[smithandrew051]

Did anyone else go to Late Nite tonight?

The squad looks like a bunch of NBA players. Doke, De Sousa, and McCormack are built like they’ve been in the nba for five years.

The guards looked good. KJ Lawson showed good range. Ochai looked like he could be a sleeper contributor.

Grimes had a bit of a rough showing, but he’ll be fine.

Excited to get this season started. Let’s win it all.

[KCFalcon59]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bill &quot;McConaughey&quot; Self<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KULateNight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KULateNight</a> <a href="https://t.co/GqmC42CFPO">pic.twitter.com/GqmC42CFPO</a></p>&mdash; Kansas Basketball (@KUHoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/KUHoops/status/1045843107915296768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Reerun_KC]

That was outstanding!

[smithandrew051]

That video was awesome. I loved that they brought back the “Dream On” video.

[BigRedChief]

Did anyone else go to Late Nite tonight?

The squad looks like a bunch of NBA players. Doke, De Sousa, and McCormack are built like they’ve been in the nba for five years.

The guards looked good. KJ Lawson showed good range. Ochai looked like he could be a sleeper contributor.

Grimes had a bit of a rough showing, but he’ll be fine.

Excited to get this season started. Let’s win it all.We have had the top college BB player talent. Lottery pick talent. But, the overall talent level, the starting 5 and off the bench players that will see substantial minutes seems to be the most naturally talented team that Self has ever had. At least in my memory.

[CoMoChief]

KU gonna miss Svi and Graham draining 3's

God damn they were great shooters

Some of the best KU's ever had.

[CoMoChief]

Obligatory "Sasha Kaun still sucks" post.

There...

I got it out.

[Buehler445]

KU gonna miss Svi and Graham draining 3's

God damn they were great shooters

Some of the best KU's ever had.

Agreed. And Graham made a lot of plays on his own.

Hopefully they can trade up some for some defense though.

[OKchiefs]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/former-adidas-exec-on-trial-to-claim-he-broke-ncaa-rules-not-laws-and-thats-bad-news-for-lots-of-college-basketball-teams/

[ROYC75]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/former-adidas-exec-on-trial-to-claim-he-broke-ncaa-rules-not-laws-and-thats-bad-news-for-lots-of-college-basketball-teams/

Things could get ugly for Silvio De Sousa.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/oct/02/trial-puts-spotlight-dark-side-college-basketball/

[BWillie]

Things could get ugly for Silvio De Sousa.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/oct/02/trial-puts-spotlight-dark-side-college-basketball/

When they say Silvio De Sousa, they are talking about his guardian taking money. One interesting thing about this whole thing is that Silvio was 18 years old at the time,. At what point does responsibility of a guardian end? Was he actually a legal guardian even - or was he just informally his guardian?

As we saw from the Cam Newton ordeal - even when it was his DAD - Auburn faced no major violations from what I recall.