Daniel Jeremiah: Many expect Chiefs to trade up for a CB

[Shag]

Not real surprising, but from here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000926622/article/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-could-slide-colts-looking-to-trade

Chiefs are a candidate to trade up for a CB: The Chiefs don't own a first-round pick in this year's draft (they dealt that pick away in the Patrick Mahomes trade last year), but I won't be surprised if they move up from where they're picking in the second round (No. 54 overall). They have a glaring need at cornerback and the top cover men will be long gone by the time they are on the clock if they stay put at No. 54. They need to get into the range of picks 35-40 in order to secure a Day One starter at that position, and many around the league expect them to make that happen.

[ThaVirus]

Trade who? What?

[Baby Lee]

Two years wasted trying to talk sense into a knucklehead, and here we are.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

So we're not trading up for a TE. Kinda disappoint

[Buckweath]

I have always thought, especially ever since Veach made that comment about trading up, that it is just a question a having a CB he really likes fall a bit and having the opportunity to trade up.

Veach definitly needs to pick up a top CB from this draft, after having traded Peters.

[JakeF]

Trade who? What?They are talking about trading up from the bottom to the top of the 2nd round. They don't usually trade a player to do that. Their second pick in the 3rd round would probably be enough, maybe throw in a 6th.

[Tribal Warfare]

Trade who? What?

Justin Houston, reports from Paylor were that Peters and he were close friends and Justin had a problem with how his trade was dealt.

It goes along with the "right attitude" Veach has been citing.

[Buckweath]

I just don't see how Veach doesn't somehow trades this year the 2019 2nd round pick acquired from the Rams.

[sedated]

Aren't we trading into the top 10 to pick a LG?

[Dante84]

If it's one thing I know, its that every report that comes out the two weeks prior to the draft is definitely factual.

[Simply Red]

Aren't we trading into the top 10 to pick a LG?

i hope so

[CoMoChief]

CB and DL are the 2 biggest immediate needs right now. However...

I think they're going to trade up into the beginning of 2nd rd and select OG Will Hernandez. Fisher, Hernandez, Morse, LDT, Schwartz would be a fine OL wk1...assuming Morse's bitchass can stay healthy.

I think right now, the Chiefs main goal is to protect Mahomes and give him ALL of the weapons and protection he needs for him to immediately successful, because the Chiefs need him to be.

[scho63]

Before we trade up for a CB or TE, I think it's about time we trade up for better Cheerleaders! We got dogs!

I saw we swap 10 of ours for 1-2 of the Cowboys or Dolphins with their first round pick.

[CoMoChief]

Before we trade up for a CB or TE, I think it's about time we trade up for better Cheerleaders! We got dogs!

I saw we swap 10 of ours for 1-2 of the Cowboys or Dolphins with their first round pick.

or Rams or Chargers....I'm sure LA can churn out some good pussy.

[Clyde Frog]

Aren't we trading into the top 10 to pick a LG?

http://i.imgur.com/sktnWBc.gif

[Kiimo]

I would actually love that.

[O.city]

Justin Houston, reports from Paylor were that Peters and he were close friends and Justin had a problem with how his trade was dealt.

It goes along with the "right attitude" Veach has been citing.

This was just as dumb the first time you said it as it is now

[CoMoChief]

http://i.imgur.com/sktnWBc.gif

ROFL

That gif....

Seriously the "stereotypical midwestern hillbillies" vibe in those 2 *edit* 3..is literally off the charts ROFL. And people wonder why it's called Camarohead.

Jesus. this will never get old I hysterically lose my shit everytime I see it. ROFL

You know they arrived in a rusted out El Camino. No fucking way they didn't drive in anything else and if so, I refuse to believe/accept it as truth.

[Eleazar]

Justin Houston, reports from Paylor were that Peters and he were close friends and Justin had a problem with how his trade was dealt.

It goes along with the "right attitude" Veach has been citing.

If some other team wants to try to swim with Houston's millstone of a contract tied around their neck, they are welcome to take him on and try.

[Luke Atamadong]

ROFL

That gif....

Seriously the "stereotypical midwestern hillbillies" vibe in those 2 *edit* 3..is literally off the charts ROFL. .

And that's the Fisher pick right?

[Clyde Frog]

ROFL

That gif....

Seriously the "stereotypical midwestern hillbillies" vibe in those 2 *edit* 3..is literally off the charts ROFL. And people wonder why it's called Camarohead.

Jesus. this will never get old I hysterically lose my shit everytime I see it. ROFL

You know they arrived in a rusted out El Camino. No ****ing way they didn't drive in anything else and if so, I refuse to believe/accept it as truth.

You forgot the 18 pack of crushed Busch Light cans that fall out when they birth out the doors. "Why not Coors light?", you ask. Cuz F**k Colorado, thats why.

[Bewbies]

And that's the Fisher pick right?

The only draft picks that get Chiefs fans out of their seats are o-lineman drafted way higher than they should be.

[Hoover]

A few thoughts.

1. We are not one CB away from fielding a competent denfense, if we were by all means push the chips into the center of the table and go all in.

2. Yeah we need a starting CB, but we also need a ton of youth on the defensive side of the football. Having 5 of the first 125 picks could go a long way in providing this team with the defensive depth it needs.

3. Its not 2018 or bust. If you add solid defensive players (lets say our send and two third rounders) on defense, then next year you can add a playmaker since we will have a 1st and two second round picks.

4. Frankly hitting on picks #54, #78 & #86 would be > going all in on pick #32 IMO.

Let Veach do his work. There is no reason to do something stupid and go all in on a player drafted at the end of the first round.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I'd give our 2019 1st rounder and this years 3rd, 4th 6th and 7th for Nelson.

That dude is legit at a spot we're weak in

[Chief Roundup]

A few thoughts.

1. We are not one CB away from fielding a competent denfense, if we were by all means push the chips into the center of the table and go all in.

2. Yeah we need a starting CB, but we also need a ton of youth on the defensive side of the football. Having 5 of the first 125 picks could go a long way in providing this team with the defensive depth it needs.

3. Its not 2018 or bust. If you add solid defensive players (lets say our send and two third rounders) on defense, then next year you can add a playmaker since we will have a 1st and two second round picks.

4. Frankly hitting on picks #54, #78 & #86 would be > going all in on pick #32 IMO.

Let Veach do his work. There is no reason to do something stupid and go all in on a player drafted at the end of the first round.

This

[MTG#10]

I'd give our 2019 1st rounder and this years 3rd, 4th 6th and 7th for Nelson.

That dude is legit at a spot we're weak in

Jesus Fucking Christ you're a fucking moron.

I mean just...wow.

:facepalm:

[Sassy Squatch]

I'd give our 2019 1st rounder and this years 3rd, 4th 6th and 7th for Nelson.

That dude is legit at a spot we're weak in
Or we could just draft an interior lineman in the 5th or 6th. Reid seems to know what he's doing with OLinemen.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Or we could just draft an interior lineman in the 5th or 6th. Reid seems to know what he's doing with OLinemen.


we don't have a 5th so you suck.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Jesus ****ing Christ you're a ****ing moron.

I mean just...wow.

:facepalm:

It's the 32nd pick dumbass. Good value for a top 5 player. Fucking moron!

[RunKC]

A few thoughts.

1. We are not one CB away from fielding a competent denfense, if we were by all means push the chips into the center of the table and go all in.

2. Yeah we need a starting CB, but we also need a ton of youth on the defensive side of the football. Having 5 of the first 125 picks could go a long way in providing this team with the defensive depth it needs.

3. Its not 2018 or bust. If you add solid defensive players (lets say our send and two third rounders) on defense, then next year you can add a playmaker since we will have a 1st and two second round picks.

4. Frankly hitting on picks #54, #78 & #86 would be > going all in on pick #32 IMO.

Let Veach do his work. There is no reason to do something stupid and go all in on a player drafted at the end of the first round.

What if I told you we could trade a 2019 2nd to move from 54 to either 35 (Dorsey) or 37 (Ballard) while keeping our picks this year?

[Tribal Warfare]

This was just as dumb the first time you said it as it is now

I'm still saying it till disproven

[Kiimo]

Not sure where else to put this....



Chad Forbes
‏ @NFLDraftBites

Multiple Folks saying #Bills #Giants #Browns working on 3 Team Trade... Browns would slide to 2nd, Bills would land 1st Overall & Giants would slide to 4th or 12th. Heard it from few people.... Browns would be monetizing taking Josh Allen... Remember, it's silly season...

[staylor26]

I'm still saying it till disproven

Houston’s so upset he showed up to workouts this offseason when he didn’t last year.

[BryanBusby]

If the Browns are stupid enough to take Josh Allen, they might as well go for a trade like that.

[Tribal Warfare]

Houston’s so upset he showed up to workouts this offseason when he didn’t last year.

Till we know how Veach runs the draft, the point still stands

[The Bad Guy]

Justin Houston, reports from Paylor were that Peters and he were close friends and Justin had a problem with how his trade was dealt.

It goes along with the "right attitude" Veach has been citing.

When did he say this?

Houston so mad that he showed up for day 1?

[The Bad Guy]

Till we know how Veach runs the draft, the point still stands

What point? That you're reaching with a garbage opinion again? You think Justin Houston and a massive contract have any trade value?

[Al Bundy]

The Buccaneers will be open for business trying to recoup that 3rd round pick they gave away to the Giants for 1 year of average DE play.

[UChieffyBugger]

There are a plethora of decent CB's in this class so I see no reason why we should trade up tbh.

Ward= will be gone
Joshua Jackson= will be gone
Alexander= will be gone
Oliver= could be gone
Donte Jackson= could be gone
Hughes= could be gone

After that we could easily find ourselves being able to get Davis, Mcfadden, Averett, Hill etc. So I wouldn't feel inclined to trade away a 3rd or next years second round pick just to go up a few places.

[SAUTO]

What if I told you we could trade a 2019 2nd to move from 54 to either 35 (Dorsey) or 37 (Ballard) while keeping our picks this year?

Why would they do that? They lose a year and most likely spots in the round.

[SAUTO]

Not sure where else to put this....



Chad Forbes
‏ @NFLDraftBites

Multiple Folks saying #Bills #Giants #Browns working on 3 Team Trade... Browns would slide to 2nd, Bills would land 1st Overall & Giants would slide to 4th or 12th. Heard it from few people.... Browns would be monetizing taking Josh Allen... Remember, it's silly season...
How would giants get the 4th?

Browns move both their firsts?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I expect it would be for Oliver or Davis.

[Priest31kc]

I expect it would be for Oliver or Davis.

Mike Hughes? Or you think he'll be gone by the 35-40 range?

Hughes is the CB I want

[Chiefs=Champions]

Id laugh so hard if Dorsey was able to get another team to move ahead of him for a qb he doesn't want. I genuinely dont understand the Allen hype, and cant understand Dorsey wanting him after the other qbs he's had a hand in drafting and been around. Would be a great move by the browns.

[RunKC]

Why would they do that? They lose a year and most likely spots in the round.

Bc they both have multiple early 2nd rd picks. Browns have 33/35 and Colts have 36/37.

Dorsey just loves picks and Ballard has an enormous rebuild to do.

You don’t think either team would like to pick early in rd 2, move down to 54 with their second 2nd rd pick, stay in rd 2 and get 2nd rd pick next season?

[RunKC]

I expect it would be for Oliver or Davis.

Don’t forget Jaire Alexander

[SAUTO]

Bc they both have multiple early 2nd rd picks. Browns have 33/35 and Colts have 36/37.

Dorsey just loves picks and Ballard has an enormous rebuild to do.

You don’t think either team would like to pick early in rd 2, move down to 54 with their second 2nd rd pick, stay in rd 2 and get 2nd rd pick next season?
You said keep all our picks this year didn't you?

never mind im a dumbass

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Don’t forget Jaire Alexander

I’ve been seeing him in the top 20 of all the mocks lately

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Mike Hughes? Or you think he'll be gone by the 35-40 range?

Hughes is the CB I want

I think he goes late 1st round

[O.city]

Hughes or Davis I’d think

[Priest31kc]

I think he goes late 1st round

I could see that, damnit. I want him. But I'd be good with Davis or Oliver. I like Davis a little better.

Fuller-Davis/Oliver-Nelson-Amerson would be a solid Top 4 CBs. Especially if Nelson can stay healthy and return to 2016 form. I don't expect 2015 Amerson but hopefully he's serviceable.

[Shoes]

Don’t forget Jaire Alexander

Jaire is the cornerback I've been pulling for all off season- seems like he is getting a bit of a boost lately in all of the mock drafts I've looked at. Could be the 2nd CB off the board after Denzel Ward, ahead of Joshua Jackson which is somewhat surprising.

If Jaire slips though I would love for Veach to make a move.

[Al Bundy]

Mike Hughes/Jaire Alexander aren't making it past the Buccaneers 2nd round pick.

[carcosa]

i hope so

Me to, thalks

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Giving up assets to replace a player we had on the cheap. Clown franchise.

[staylor26]

Giving up assets to replace a player we had on the cheap. Clown franchise.

Clown poster

[Bewbies]

Giving up assets to replace a player we had on the cheap. Clown franchise.

Durr hurr hurr.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Well, it is silly to give up the lone decent pick the team got for him to move up and grab a lesser player replacement with the only decent pick in this draft.

[Simply Red]

we don't have a 5th so you suck.


Not a very nice post bud.

[Jethopper]

We drafted a QB in the first. Who cares what happens for the next 5 drafts

[Simply Red]

We drafted a QB in the first. Who cares what happens for the next 5 drafts

i do - I also bet the farm we move up - possibly even into the first.

[carcosa]

Didn't Daniel Jeremih do that song "Borthday Sex"

[JoeyChuckles]

Didn't Daniel Jeremih do that song "Borthday Sex"

He was also a bullfrog by my understanding.

[CHENZ A!]

Giving up assets to replace a player we had on the cheap. Clown franchise.

Truth hurts.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Clown posterHe's right, though. We gave up a young, lockdown corner on his rookie deal for fairly little. How much will we have to give up to replace his production? One would hope it isn't too much, but I doubt that's the case.

[BossChief]

1) Veach has a twinkle in his eye when he said the chiefs might end up in the first round

2) using the pick from Peters and a third would probably get us into the early to mid second. That’s high enough to get a good CB.

[BossChief]

He's right, though. We gave up a young, lockdown corner on his rookie deal for fairly little. How much will we have to give up to replace his production? One would hope it isn't too much, but I doubt that's the case.

I hated the trade and still do, but we aren’t privy to the information they used to make such a tough decision.

I’ll always think that was a bad move. Having a CB that takes the ball away when we have a QB like Mahomes would have been very advantageous.

[BryanBusby]

1) Veach has a twinkle in his eye when he said the chiefs might end up in the first round

2) using the pick from Peters and a third would probably get us into the early to mid second. That’s high enough to get a good CB.
That would be idiotic as fuck, so something we're capable of doing.

[ct]

A few thoughts.

1. We are not one CB away from fielding a competent denfense, if we were by all means push the chips into the center of the table and go all in.

2. Yeah we need a starting CB, but we also need a ton of youth on the defensive side of the football. Having 5 of the first 125 picks could go a long way in providing this team with the defensive depth it needs.

3. Its not 2018 or bust. If you add solid defensive players (lets say our send and two third rounders) on defense, then next year you can add a playmaker since we will have a 1st and two second round picks.

4. Frankly hitting on picks #54, #78 & #86 would be > going all in on pick #32 IMO.

Let Veach do his work. There is no reason to do something stupid and go all in on a player drafted at the end of the first round.


This

and this AGAIN

[BossChief]

This team is going to score tons of points.

Tons. Probably top 5 scoring offense.

The team has 1 corner signed for 2019...and that’s the last year of his rookie deal.

This draft is stacked with CBs. 7 or 8 with first round grades.

Veach traded, tried to trade or let every single corner from last year walk.

Connect the dots here...we’re drafting 3 corners and 2 of them need to be able to not only start in a year, but play at a high level because our defense is going to be in dime a lot due to teams trying to keep up with the scoring.

I’m betting on them using next years second from the Peters trade and a third to move up to get one and then moving up again using our second and another pick this year or next to select another corner.

And I think that’s smart.

[BryanBusby]

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

While I don't necessarily agree with them trading Peters, I get why they did it.

But if they turn around and package multiple(3 or more) picks to trade up into the first round to draft said replacement CB, well then that's just ****ing stupid. Hell, I'd rather see them draft 3 DB's with 3 different picks in hopes of 'hitting' on at least one . . . .

[staylor26]

What’s wrong with going up and getting a CB?

If we add a guy like Hughes, Davis, Oliver, or Alexander this could easily be the best CB group we’ve had under Reid.

[BryanBusby]

Going from 8 to 7 picks than spending nearly 50% of your draft capital on a single position is absurd. Veach should be fired out of a cannon, directly into the fucking sun if he does that.

They don't have a starting caliber FS, a cum dumpster situation at LG, a hole at slot WR and shitty TE LB and DL depth. No way would dropping half of the draft for corners make.any fucking sense.

[staylor26]

I definitely wouldn’t want to give up too much though.

I think we can get one if we trade up 10-12 spots. That shouldn’t cost too much.

[JakeF]

We drafted a QB in the first. Who cares what happens for the next 5 drafts
I imagine that Patrick Mahomes cares who we draft the next 5 drafts. He would rather not go out there with a shit team around him. KC fans shouldn't want to do to Mahomes what the Colts did to Andrew Luck either.

[BryanBusby]

I definitely wouldn’t want to give up too much though.

I think we can get one if we trade up 10-12 spots. That shouldn’t cost too much.
I don't think giving up 54+86+196 to the Redskins for 44+109 would be bad to secure a corner.

Wrecking nearly all the gains from the Alex and Peters trades to get a 1st round pick for a corner would be stupid though.

[BossChief]

It’s all about value.

Let’s say it gets to the end of the first and Mike Hughes/Josh Jackson/Isiah Oliver are on the board and we can get one by trading with Philly by using a third this year and a second next year.

If it weren’t for the depth at the position, those guys are usually going in the top 15-20 picks of most drafts. Moving a 2 and 3 to get one is good value.

If one of the other corners is still on the board from 37-44, we can move up from 54 and get another CB that we can have on a cheap rookie deal instead of having to spend in FA for one (corners are very expensive in FA)...

If we can come out of the draft with 2 first round talent CBs, and spend 2 second rounders, a third and fourth...that’s gonna go a long way towards making this defense what we need it to be...effective in sub packages that allows Sutton to turn the pass rushers loose.

[BryanBusby]

LMAO if you think Philly would even consider that trade

Try more like a 3rd and the Chiefs 2019 first, as the floor.

[BossChief]

I don't think giving up 54+86+196 to the Redskins for 44+109 would be bad to secure a corner.

Wrecking nearly all the gains from the Alex and Peters trades to get a 1st round pick for a corner would be stupid though.

After 2018, we only have 1 corner signed for 2019.

1

This draft is an opportunity to fortify a premium position at a huge discount

[BryanBusby]

After 2018, we only have 1 corner signed for 2019.

1

This draft is an opportunity to fortify a premium position at a huge discount
So fucking what?

They're adding at least one corner this year and believe it or not, there will be a FA period and another draft again. Yep, it happens annually believe it or not.

They will have more than one for 2019, before 2019 and they will.add more in 2019. Step back from the ledge.

[BossChief]

They need to add 3 corners in this draft

2 need to have starting ability

[BryanBusby]

Well ok, keep fucking that chicken.

More like they need a starting LG worth a fuck because the season will mean nothing if Witz misses a block that injures Mahomes or Fisher injures his pussy and they're stuck playing a shitty back up at LT.

[Tribal Warfare]

Well ok, keep fucking that chicken.

More like they need a starting LG worth a fuck because the season will mean nothing if Witz misses a block that injures Mahomes or Fisher injures his pussy and they're stuck playing a shitty back up at LT.

here's the punch in the gut scenario: Veach maybe contemplating trading Tyreek.

If you're attempting to figure how to maintain the draft capital, with the current value of the Chiefs players.

It would suck, but one could argue that KC has enough talent to succeed in Offense to trade for an upgrade for the Defense.

[Simply Red]

Well ok, keep fucking that chicken.

More like they need a starting LG worth a fuck because the season will mean nothing if Witz misses a block that injures Mahomes or Fisher injures his pussy and they're stuck playing a shitty back up at LT.

I can't imagine fucking a chicken

[Pasta Little Brioni]

here's the punch in the gut scenario: Veach maybe contemplating trading Tyreek.

If you're attempting to figure how to maintain the draft capital, with the current value of the Chiefs players.

It would suck, but one could argue that KC has enough talent to succeed in Offense to trade for an upgrade for the Defense.

Loon here...we got a loon here

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I can't imagine fucking a chicken

Then making it into a nice shake and bake infused dinner. Thread time!

[Buckweath]

They need to add 3 corners in this draft

2 need to have starting ability

I disagree. I think they need to draft a top corner early and possibly another in the 4th round or later to develop.

[BryanBusby]

I can't imagine fucking a chicken
I've gone to a party at a frat house before where they looked up exactly that.

The male actor seemed to please himself with the chicken fairly easily.

To veer back to the draft. I'd rather give up more points and big plays if it meant keeping Pat upright for 17 Weeks and off IR.

Seems like building around him should be the actual priority.

[Halfcan]

I've gone to a party at a frat house before where they looked up exactly that.

The male actor seemed to please himself with the chicken fairly easily.

To veer back to the draft. I'd rather give up more points and big plays if it meant keeping Pat upright for 17 Weeks and off IR.

Seems like building around him should be the actual priority.

:hmmm: WTF?

[aturnis]

Houston’s so upset he showed up to workouts this offseason when he didn’t last year.It's a stupid narrative. Hostin might be mad his friend is gone, but Peters had a HUGE negative effect on Houston's production. No longing pressing receivers b/c Peters refused to hurt Houston's numbers.

[Bewbies]

Well ok, keep ****ing that chicken.

More like they need a starting LG worth a **** because the season will mean nothing if Witz misses a block that injures Mahomes or Fisher injures his pussy and they're stuck playing a shitty back up at LT.

Never changes, the IMMENSE importance of the guard position here on CP.

Fuckers like you aren't going to know what to do when you have a QB that doesn't need a perfect line to almost succeed.

[rydogg58]

here's the punch in the gut scenario: Veach maybe contemplating trading Tyreek.

If you're attempting to figure how to maintain the draft capital, with the current value of the Chiefs players.

It would suck, but one could argue that KC has enough talent to succeed in Offense to trade for an upgrade for the Defense.

Soo...maybe I am out of the loop, but where has this been said by any credible source? I just don't understand how that makes any sense at all.

[staylor26]

here's the punch in the gut scenario: Veach maybe contemplating trading Tyreek.

If you're attempting to figure how to maintain the draft capital, with the current value of the Chiefs players.

It would suck, but one could argue that KC has enough talent to succeed in Offense to trade for an upgrade for the Defense.

LMAO

This is being fucking retarded. Good god.

[SAUTO]

LMAO if you think Philly would even consider that trade

Try more like a 3rd and the Chiefs 2019 first, as the floor.

Yep

[SAUTO]

here's the punch in the gut scenario: Veach maybe contemplating trading Tyreek.

If you're attempting to figure how to maintain the draft capital, with the current value of the Chiefs players.

It would suck, but one could argue that KC has enough talent to succeed in Offense to trade for an upgrade for the Defense.
I almost deleted this post for you but it was so idiotic ifigured you deserved to have to live with it forever

[Sassy Squatch]

I've gone to a party at a frat house before where they looked up exactly that.

The male actor seemed to please himself with the chicken fairly easily.

To veer back to the draft. I'd rather give up more points and big plays if it meant keeping Pat upright for 17 Weeks and off IR.

Seems like building around him should be the actual priority.

This is way more interesting than the Chiefs plan in the draft. What in the actual fuck?

[Tribal Warfare]

LMAO

This is being fucking retarded. Good god.

How else do you expect Veach to pay compensation without being fleeced, and maintain picks?

[Bewbies]

How else do you expect Veach to pay compensation without being fleeced, and maintain picks?

He shall whisper in your ear.

[RunKC]

So ****ing what?

They're adding at least one corner this year and believe it or not, there will be a FA period and another draft again. Yep, it happens annually believe it or not.

They will have more than one for 2019, before 2019 and they will.add more in 2019. Step back from the ledge.

So you think Veach should go with lower rated corners on his board who, like Steven Nelson and Phillip Gaines, will probably barely play this year if at all leaving the CB core a complete tire fire?

[BossChief]

This OL is going to look VASTLY improved.

1) Mahomes avoids pressure while keeping his eyes down field. That alone is going to be a huge difference maker in how the OL is viewed.

2) Mahomes is going to kill teams that blitz him. His release and vision are both top notch. The less teams can blitz, the easier the OLs job is.


Now, I’d definitely move up for the right guy on the OL and I agree that protecting the franchise by building a monster line in front of him is a wise investment. Especially with Morse being a FA after this year...but getting 2 starting quality corners is mandatory.

It’s gonna take teams 10-12 games to catch up to what Mahomes is doing on offense. I think he runs wild till that point. The hype machine on the kid will be in full swing.

Opposing teams are going to be throwing the ball A TON.

Let’s say we come out of the draft with Oliver AND Hughes while keeping all of our original picks next year along with a 3rd, 4th and 3 later picks this year for other positions?

Then we use the other third on a safety to play next to Berry.

Or a guard

[MotherfuckerJones]

First, trading Tyreek is not what Veach is thinking. Delete your profile.

Secondly, I’m all for going up for a corner but not giving up too much. Lots of holes to fill. Plus, this is the year I think we see some UDFAs make the squad and play. There’s finally room for that. Hopefully they can nail one or two of those.

Third, Veach is aggressive. But I like the idea of having a 1, 2 2s and 3 to start the draft next season with no 4th round pick due to the Ragland trade.

I’d stay at 54 if you can’t go up for a corner. We need safeties badly and EB isn’t getting younger. Need to start adding some impact safeties that are worth a fuck.

[BryanBusby]

So you think Veach should go with lower rated corners on his board who, like Steven Nelson and Phillip Gaines, will probably barely play this year if at all leaving the CB core a complete tire fire?
My plan is to let things shake out and if a good corner gets within 10 or so slots, yeah go ahead and move up. Don't continuously rob from tomorrow for today is the general theme. They do have more needs than just corner.

I like aggressive,.but there comes a point where you just gotta stick with the board because the team isn't that complete.

This is way more interesting than the Chiefs plan in the draft. What in the actual fuck?

While I appreciated the free Rolling Rock, attending parties at that house wasn't high on my to do list after that.

[Tribal Warfare]

I’d stay at 54 if you can’t go up for a corner. We need safeties badly and EB isn’t getting younger. Need to start adding some impact safeties that are worth a fuck.

That's, an answer , but to trade up and knowingly so you have to give up alot and if someone rips another for stating an opinion which involves a difficult decision you better have a solution yourself.

[Easy 6]

That's, an answer , but to trade up and knowingly so you have to give up alot and if someone rips another for stating an opinion which involves a difficult decision you better have a solution yourself.

Just checked in to page 7, and one of the first things I see is you saying Veach might be contemplating trading Hill?

Whatever you're smoking, lay off that shit bruv...

[Tribal Warfare]

Just checked in to page 7, and one of the first things I see is you saying Veach might be contemplating trading Hill?

Whatever you're smoking, lay off that shit bruv...

As I said it's going to cost us, the Chiefs will have to live with difficult decisions if they want trade into the 1st

[BossChief]

My plan is to let things shake out and if a good corner gets within 10 or so slots, yeah go ahead and move up. Don't continuously rob from tomorrow for today is the general theme. They do have more needs than just corner.

I like aggressive,.but there comes a point where you just gotta stick with the board because the team isn't that complete.



While I appreciated the free Rolling Rock, attending parties at that house wasn't high on my to do list after that.

How is trading the pick we got from Marcus Peters “robbing from next year?”

[BossChief]

As I said it's going to cost us, the Chiefs will have to live with difficult decisions if they want trade into the 1st

There’s absolutely no chance they trade Hill.

It’s silly to even suggest.

[Easy 6]

They need to add 3 corners in this draft

2 need to have starting ability

3 is overkill, 2 is fine with one penciled in package starter IMO

Well ok, keep ****ing that chicken.

More like they need a starting LG worth a **** because the season will mean nothing if Witz misses a block that injures Mahomes or Fisher injures his pussy and they're stuck playing a shitty back up at LT.

Its true, this isnt just another CP dumbass 'lets draft a fatty yay O line' drumbeat... everyone from you and me, to national writers knows that LG has been a black hole for freaking years

If there is a chance to lock that spot down for 10 years as one of St Pats 'Unsullied' bodyguards, you take it... Veach has already proven that he intends to load this offense, so dont be surprised about LG

[Easy 6]

As I said it's going to cost us, the Chiefs will have to live with difficult decisions if they want trade into the 1st

I feel like a nice guy this evening, no insults forthcoming... but there should be

[Tribal Warfare]

There’s absolutely no chance they trade Hill.

It’s silly to even suggest.



What's your solution?

[BossChief]

What's your solution?

Using a combination of the pick from Peters and either this years 2 or 3.

Either combination would get us into the late first early second.

[BryanBusby]

3 is overkill, 2 is fine with one penciled in package starter IMO



Its true, this isnt just another CP dumbass 'lets draft a fatty yay O line' drumbeat... everyone from you and me, to national writers knows that LG has been a black hole for freaking years

If there is a chance to lock that spot down for 10 years as one of St Pats 'Unsullied' bodyguards, you take it... Veach has already proven that he intends to load this offense, so dont be surprised about LG
Yep.

While Mahomes will possibly make the OL look better than Alex did, no way anyone can deny they've never figured out the LG position and Witz is not the answer at all.

I don't think they gotta shift up in the draft to fill it, but hard to fill that need if they trade off half of the picks and spend it all on corners.

Moving up a but to land a starting corner and nabbing a 2nd one somewhere Day 3 is definitely realistic.

How is trading the pick we got from Marcus Peters “robbing from next year?”
When they are trading off a future choice to fall back under the standard pick count threshold, what else would you call it?

Losing the actual net gain from the Peters trade to move up for his replacement would net them a 6th for 4th swap for an All-pro corner.

That would be like pissing on an electric fence because Frank said you were a pussy and wouldn't do it. You did it and by golly did it hurt, so your solution for burning dick is to numb it up some by sticking it in the waffle iron. Sure it goes numb and the pain subsides and Frank thinks you're cool as fuck, but now your dick looks like a mangled burnt breadstick.

[Tribal Warfare]

Using a combination of the pick from Peters and either this years 2 or 3.

Either combination would get us into the late first early second.

you know Dan well the Chiefs will have to over pay especially if it's out in the open.

This won't be a friendly deal on KC's end

[aturnis]

Bc they both have multiple early 2nd rd picks. Browns have 33/35 and Colts have 36/37.

Dorsey just loves picks and Ballard has an enormous rebuild to do.

You don’t think either team would like to pick early in rd 2, move down to 54 with their second 2nd rd pick, stay in rd 2 and get 2nd rd pick next season?If KC is giving up the kind of capital it takes to get to 33-37, they'll likely do what it takes to get to 32 or above. That 5th year option is too valuable.

[rydogg58]

you know Dan well the Chiefs will have to over pay especially if it's out in the open.

This won't be a friendly deal on KC's end

Teams always overpay to move up. But to suggest that he's contemplating trading Tyreek is ridiculous. It's the man's first draft year, I'm sure he wants to stick around for a few more years. Trading Tyreek guarantees he's one and done.

Not only that, this is exactly how shills like Athan get absurd story lines published. I wouldn't be surprised if he writes about how he's "hearing rumors Veach wants to trade Tyreek, per an unnamed source".

[Easy 6]

What's your solution?

Trade next years second or third, trade Clarks mom... trade anything but your proven All-Pro gamebreaker on his rookie contract for cripe pete!!!!!!

[Tribal Warfare]

If KC is giving up the kind of capital it takes to get to 33-37, they'll likely do what it takes to get to 32 or above. That 5th year option is too valuable.

Some aren't living in the real world concerning that making a very public trade will be expensive.

I'm shelling out nightmare scenarios, but people are acting like 3 year olds not understanding that the other team is out to fuck us over too.

the trade chart is BS, when other teams are inflating the price because of a bidding war for player(s)

[MotherfuckerJones]

Some aren't living in the real world concerning that making a very public trade will be expensive.

I'm shelling out nightmare scenarios, but people are acting like 3 year olds not understanding that the other team is out to **** us over too.

the trade chart is BS, when other teams are inflating the price because of a bidding war for player(s)

You do realize Philly doesn’t have a 2nd or 3rd round picks?

[Tribal Warfare]

You do realize Philly doesn’t have a 2nd or 3rd round picks?

You do realize that doesn't matter, they just won the SB as it stands

[SAUTO]

Using a combination of the pick from Peters and either this years 2 or 3.

Either combination would get us into the late first early second.
I dont think so

[SAUTO]

Some aren't living in the real world concerning that making a very public trade will be expensive.

I'm shelling out nightmare scenarios, but people are acting like 3 year olds not understanding that the other team is out to fuck us over too.

the trade chart is BS, when other teams are inflating the price because of a bidding war for player(s)

Trading hill isn't fucking real world

[MotherfuckerJones]

You do realize that doesn't matter, they just won the SB as it stands

And KC isn’t trading Tyreek Hill. That’s the dumbest fucking thing anyone has said on this forum. Stop

[aturnis]

Giving up assets to replace a player we had on the cheap. Clown franchise.A player who made most of the players around him less effective. He forced the defense to play to his strengths, not the strengths of the defense as a whole.

[Tribal Warfare]

And KC isn’t trading Tyreek Hill. That’s the dumbest fucking thing anyone has said on this forum. Stop


Exactly we stay as is, the Chiefs will fuck themselves with the comp

[BossChief]

Yep.

While Mahomes will possibly make the OL look better than Alex did, no way anyone can deny they've never figured out the LG position and Witz is not the answer at all.

I don't think they gotta shift up in the draft to fill it, but hard to fill that need if they trade off half of the picks and spend it all on corners.

Moving up a but to land a starting corner and nabbing a 2nd one somewhere Day 3 is definitely realistic.


When they are trading off a future choice to fall back under the standard pick count threshold, what else would you call it?

Losing the actual net gain from the Peters trade to move up for his replacement would net them a 6th for 4th swap for an All-pro corner.

That would be like pissing on an electric fence because Frank said you were a pussy and wouldn't do it. You did it and by golly did it hurt, so your solution for burning dick is to numb it up some by sticking it in the waffle iron. Sure it goes numb and the pain subsides and Frank thinks you're cool as ****, but now your dick looks like a mangled burnt breadstick.

Losing Peters is a sunk cost.

If we aren’t going to have him this year using the picks we got from him to help this years team isn’t stealing from the future. It’s utilizung currency as it’s earned.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Soo...maybe I am out of the loop, but where has this been said by any credible source? I just don't understand how that makes any sense at all.veach has shown a willingness to trade insanely talented but troubled young, cost-controlled players for relatively meager returns.

[O.city]

here's the punch in the gut scenario: Veach maybe contemplating trading Tyreek.

If you're attempting to figure how to maintain the draft capital, with the current value of the Chiefs players.

It would suck, but one could argue that KC has enough talent to succeed in Offense to trade for an upgrade for the Defense.

Dude come on

[SAUTO]

Dude come on

He should punch himself in the nuts for even suggesting it

[BryanBusby]

Losing Peters is a sunk cost.

If we aren’t going to have him this year using the picks we got from him to help this years team isn’t stealing from the future. It’s utilizung currency as it’s earned.
Doubling down on stupid isn't how you build a quality, long term team.

I know we're all high on Mahomes here, but I don't feel strongly about a first year starting QB taking us to the Super Bowl just quite yet. Don't feel it's completely necessary to go aggressive in that fashion today.

They will have other things to address coming up.

Unless Dee Ford really turns it around this year and they feel good about giving him a long-term deal, they're going to have a massive hole at edge rusher going into 2019.

Morse will be a FA, so they will also need a Center if they don't elect to keep him in house. Allen Bailey will be a FA too and I can't see him getting a 3rd contract.

Next year is shaping up to be a great class for DL and edge-rushers, so I'd rather keep the high choices we have now.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

They need to add 3 corners in this draft

2 need to have starting ability

Unrealistic.

[O.city]

May not be Super Bowl push in 18 per say but you wanna push in 19,20,21

Get as many of the guys you think will be in their prime during that windowhere This year if you can and let them build together

[JakeF]

here's the punch in the gut scenario: Veach maybe contemplating trading Tyreek.

If you're attempting to figure how to maintain the draft capital, with the current value of the Chiefs players.

It would suck, but one could argue that KC has enough talent to succeed in Offense to trade for an upgrade for the Defense.
Why in the holy every-lovin bleepty bleep would Veach trade Hill?

He's young,improving with not a single ounce of trouble since joining the team. He seems to be a fine locker room guy and hasn't shown any inclination in wanting to live anywhere else. He was born in Florida but went to 2 colleges that are nearby in Garden City and Oklahoma State.

The Chiefs already have a QB so what player in this draft would be worth trading Hill for? I wouldn't trade Hill for the best cornerback in this draft Denzel Ward. A trade for the consensus best player is Saquon Barkley and that doesn't even make considering we already have Hunt.

If Veach would have held onto Peters for a while longer, we might have been able to get a good deal by using him to trade up but not Hill.

Put the Glunt down and go to sleep. :shake:

[MotherfuckerJones]

Jeremiah on his mock draft live special tonight had a bold prediction of KC trading back into round one for a corner

[carcosa]

I'd fuck a chicken. Cloacas are tight as hell, my man

[RunKC]

Sutton had this defense at 15th in the league in points given up and no more than 21 points given up at home minus one Marriotta fluke TD to himself.

That was with Zombo, Sorenson, Kevin Pierre Louis, Terrance Mitchell and the walking corpses of DJ and Tamba.

I am confident that if we provide Sutton with a competent starting corner to add to the FA additions, we can be around 10th in points allowed again.

Add that to an explosive offense and you have a chance.

[Chief Northman]

Sutton had this defense at 15th in the league in points given up and no more than 21 points given up at home minus one Marriotta fluke TD to himself.

That was with Zombo, Sorenson, Kevin Pierre Louis, Terrance Mitchell and the walking corpses of DJ and Tamba.

I am confident that if we provide Sutton with a competent starting corner to add to the FA additions, we can be around 10th in points allowed again.

Add that to an explosive offense and you have a chance.

* Need two safeties that can tackle and be respectable in coverage
* Need another true 5 tech that can rotate in with Bailey/Jones with little drop-off inproduction
* Need a cover/spy linebacker to fill the KPL role and hopefully be more competent at it
* Need the rotational interior DL to be sound in the run game
* Need edge pass rush insurance in the speed variety. KPass is not that with the plan to move him inside situationally. Ford/Nicolas need to earn their snaps by showing some durability. If Zombo plays any defensive snaps, this defense is in trouble.

[Bewbies]

Unrealistic.

We’ll have a UFDA make the team at CB. Get 2 in the draft and that’s 3.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

We’ll have a UFDA make the team at CB. Get 2 in the draft and that’s 3.

Two quality starters opposite Fuller before camp?

Unrealistic.

[Chiefshrink]

Heard it from few people....

who were at Best Buy ??:D

[BryanBusby]

We’ll have a UFDA make the team at CB. Get 2 in the draft and that’s 3.
There will be a major purge of veteran corners after the draft and they could fill that final role with a cut.

[BossChief]

May not be Super Bowl push in 18 per say but you wanna push in 19,20,21

Get as many of the guys you think will be in their prime during that windowhere This year if you can and let them build togetherexactly

Especially corners

Two quality starters opposite Fuller before camp?

Unrealistic.

2 guys with starting potential.

Key word potential.

Guys that can be better than Nelson and Amerson. Soon, if not immediately.

This team needs 3-4 corners that can cover and take the ball away.

Allow the backers and safeties to attack

[BossChief]

There will be a major purge of veteran corners after the draft and they could fill that final role with a cut.

They aren’t going that route unless they completely whiff in the draft.

These guys are going to play all the kids and coach them up.

[BryanBusby]

They aren’t going that route unless they completely whiff in the draft.

These guys are going to play all the kids and coach them up.
To fill that final roster spot, I don't see why not. Settle down, Beavis.

[BossChief]

To fill that final roster spot, I don't see why not. Settle down, Beavis.

Listen to Veaches media comments about it.

They are going to learn on the fly with young players, not vets.

[BryanBusby]

Listen to Veaches media comments about it.

They are going to learn on the fly with young players, not vets.
That doesn't mean literally no veterans at all dude. LMAO

I would bet on DRC as a post draft signing more than I would on some bizarro draft board grenade fantasy to have 3 rookies at Corner. Breeland is far from old and will be a steal pick up once the aids in his foot clears up.

[Willie Lanier]

Carlton Davis all the way!

[CasselGotPeedOn]

What's your solution?

I'm thinkin lobotomy.

[Chargem]

* Need two safeties that can tackle and be respectable in coverage Two? They added Golden who had a solid 2017, much better than the Chiefs safeties who played in 2017. I think they add 1 and let McQuay have some more playing time
* Need another true 5 tech that can rotate in with Bailey/Jones with little drop-off inproduction They already re-signed Jenkins and RNR, so we're pretty much using the same line as last year. A developmental type guy will be available in the draft
* Need a cover/spy linebacker to fill the KPL role and hopefully be more competent at it Agree, although Eligwe was impressive in pre-season etc, maybe he gets a bigger role in 2018
* Need the rotational interior DL to be sound in the run game Losing Logan and adding X. Williams is this move, plus Hitchens to shore up the run D
* Need edge pass rush insurance in the speed variety. KPass is not that with the plan to move him inside situationally. Ford/Nicolas need to earn their snaps by showing some durability. If Zombo plays any defensive snaps, this defense is in trouble. developmental pass rushers are available in the draft, from speed rushers like Holland to bigger guys like Ogbo Okoronkwo

.

[Chief Northman]

.

- I believe Sorenson gets cut post June 1, thus the safety additions.
- Jenkins anecdote RNR aren’t true 5 techs.
- Ogbo is 6’1/240’s for weight - he’s not exactly a 3-4 edge setting prototype. Holland disappears way too often for my liking. He has some tools, but is inconsistent. If Chiefs go Edge early I like Carter, and Turay if we want a project in mid-later rounds.

[aturnis]

you know Dan well the Chiefs will have to over pay especially if it's out in the open.

This won't be a friendly deal on KC's endDisagree. Trade values were pretty fair last year. With the additional freedom to trade centre more willingness to do so.

[aturnis]

Losing Peters is a sunk cost.

If we aren’t going to have him this year using the picks we got from him to help this years team isn’t stealing from the future. It’s utilizung currency as it’s earned.It's also devaluing that currency though as next years second is only worth a third this year.

[aturnis]

There will be a major purge of veteran corners after the draft and they could fill that final role with a cut.Not to mention camp casualties.

[Tribal Warfare]

Disagree. Trade values were pretty fair last year. With the additional freedom to trade centre more willingness to do so.

The Marcus Peters trade is a good template. If the Chiefs are desperate they'll forgo a fair market trade.

I truly thought the Chiefs would get a 1st round pick out the Rans trade

[aturnis]

The Marcus Peters trade is a good template. If the Chiefs are desperate they'll forgo a fair market trade.

I truly thought the Chiefs would get a 1st round pick out the Rans trade? The Peters trade doesn't count. If they had any leverage to play hardball, they'd have gotten soothing for him.

The Chiefs were getting rid of him. Not interested in keeping him. The entire league knew it. We held zero cards beings we wanted to move him early before the draft. It's really too bad most of the league was scared of him.

If they wanted to hold onto him for a trade during the draft, or even after to a team who didn't get the CB help they were looking for in the draft, they couldn't had more.

They were moving on in a hurry. They got what they could.

[Tribal Warfare]

? The Peters trade doesn't count. If they had any leverage to play hardball, they'd have gotten soothing for him.
6
The Chiefs were getting rid of him. Not inte
rested in keeping him. The entire league knew it. We held zero cards beings we wanted to move him early before the draft. It's really too bad most of the league was scared of him.



They got what they could.


If the entire league knows that the Chiefs want to trade up, we'll have to ante up. Unlike the Mahomes trade this is very public.

[Bewbies]

If the entire league knows that the Chiefs want to trade up, we'll have to ante up. Unlike the Mahomes trade this is very public.

You don’t have the biggest brain, or the best brain.

[tmax63]

The trade value chart has held up for a long time. It may not be followed exactly but it's a good benchmark to start from. Adding Golden moves Sorenson back to part-time doing what he did 2 years ago quite well. Moving up and getting a "compete for starter" CB would help the secondary immensely. They got rid of a lot of trash and have picked up replacements that look to be better on paper. Fuller, Amerson, Golden, Williams, Hitchens. Ford, Berry healthy. Ragland, Houston, Jones. There's 10 of 11 starters. Adding 2-3 bodies able to push for starting time and depth is needed but just adding 1 CB and I would like this group quite a bit over last year's.

[Chargem]

If the entire league knows that the Chiefs want to trade up, we'll have to ante up. Unlike the Mahomes trade this is very public.

I think wanting to trade up and being desperate are not the same thing. I honestly wouldn't mind Parry Nickerson or Nick Nelson in the 3rd or 4th, if one of the more polished cornerbacks either isn't available at 54 or a reasonable trade up can't be achieved.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

It's also devaluing that currency though as next years second is only worth a third this year.

This.

That second round pick will be worth a lot more next year than it will this year. Best to hold onto till next year. If they want to package it in a trade then, so be it.

[Bewbies]

I'd not want to trade that 2 next year, having 2 picks in the 2nd round will be nice.

[BryanBusby]

I'd not want to trade that 2 next year, having 2 picks in the 2nd round will be nice.
2019 is going to be an amazing fucking draft to fill what the Chiefs desperately need. Pass-rushers.

No fucking way am I dumping off early 2019 picks considering we need all of that shit, badly. If they want to move up for a corner this year, hey ok whatever I guess but don't use anything more than one of the extra 3rds we already hold. Fuck robbing tomorrow for today.

[RunKC]

I'd not want to trade that 2 next year, having 2 picks in the 2nd round will be nice.

I would.

All of the best corners will be gone by pick 40, maybe late 30’s. It’s going to be just like the receivers in the 2014 draft. Pick 78 is only worth 200 points ( enough to move up to the 44th pick), so the Chiefs would have to trade multiple picks (likely 78 and 124) to move that high. We obviously can’t afford to pick only 3 times in the top 4 rounds.

Chiefs need depth and quality at corner. Replace Peters with a good player now and keep your picks to add depth.

[O.city]

I'd do what I had to do to get a corner if they project him to be a legit outside guy.

Otherwise, I'd stick with Bryan and keep that pick.

[MotherfuckerJones]

2019 is going to be an amazing ****ing draft to fill what the Chiefs desperately need. Pass-rushers.

No ****ing way am I dumping off early 2019 picks considering we need all of that shit, badly. If they want to move up for a corner this year, hey ok whatever I guess but don't use anything more than one of the extra 3rds we already hold. **** robbing tomorrow for today.

That’s where I’m at. If I can move 54 and one of the 3s and something else? Probably. I’m all for keeping that pick and I said as much a couple pages ago in this thread

[staylor26]

I'd do what I had to do to get a corner if they project him to be a legit outside guy.

Otherwise, I'd stick with Bryan and keep that pick.

Bryan?

[O.city]

BryanBusby?

[MotherfuckerJones]

BryanBusby?

Bryan Bulaga?

[O.city]

Plus, you gotta figure that Rams second rounder is probably gonna be towards the back of the 2nd round.

It will be nice to have 2 2nd rounders next year, but they are likely to both be atleast mid to later 2nds.

[Simply Red]

2019 is going to be an amazing fucking draft to fill what the Chiefs desperately need. Pass-rushers.

No fucking way am I dumping off early 2019 picks considering we need all of that shit, badly. If they want to move up for a corner this year, hey ok whatever I guess but don't use anything more than one of the extra 3rds we already hold. Fuck robbing tomorrow for today.

I'd do what I had to do to get a corner if they project him to be a legit outside guy.

Otherwise, I'd stick with Bryan and keep that pick.

Bryan?

BryanBusby?


Bryan you play in the NFL? Do you look to come here? We'll keep it quiet - CRAZY though! I never knew this!! Welcome - which school are you at?

[saphojunkie]

If the entire league knows that the Chiefs want to trade up, we'll have to ante up. Unlike the Mahomes trade this is very public.

THEY KNOW YOU WANT TO TRADE UP WHEN YOU CALL SAYING YOU WANT TO TRADE UP.

That’s like ordering a beer without the bartender knowing you want a beer.

[saphojunkie]

I would hold onto both seconds next year, rather than trade up hoping the CB you select pans out.

I mean, if it’s a slam dunk, you thought this guy was top ten talent, then sure. Otherwise, throw numbers at it. All pro guys come out of the second round all the time.

[jjchieffan]

Plus, you gotta figure that Rams second rounder is probably gonna be towards the back of the 2nd round.

It will be nice to have 2 2nd rounders next year, but they are likely to both be atleast mid to later 2nds.

You would think that those picks would be late in the round. But nothing is certain. Who would have said this time last year that the Rams would be a top team? We all expected the Donks to be bad, but most media expected them to contend for the West. Same with the Faiders. If we trade the Rams pick away and it ends up being around pick 60, then we did good. But what if Peter's and Talib become a huge distraction causing the defense to collapse? If the Rams revert to 2016 level, we will all be in here crying about how nice it would be to have that extra top 50 or better pick.

[Bewbies]

I would.

All of the best corners will be gone by pick 40, maybe late 30’s. It’s going to be just like the receivers in the 2014 draft. Pick 78 is only worth 200 points ( enough to move up to the 44th pick), so the Chiefs would have to trade multiple picks (likely 78 and 124) to move that high. We obviously can’t afford to pick only 3 times in the top 4 rounds.

Chiefs need depth and quality at corner. Replace Peters with a good player now and keep your picks to add depth.

We have extra 3's, use those. I'd rather do a 3, 4, 5 or something that a 3 with a 2 next year. Ouch.

[BryanBusby]

Bryan you play in the NFL? Do you look to come here? We'll keep it quiet - CRAZY though! I never knew this!! Welcome - which school are you at?
Plz no dox ty

You would think that those picks would be late in the round. But nothing is certain. Who would have said this time last year that the Rams would be a top team? We all expected the Donks to be bad, but most media expected them to contend for the West. Same with the Faiders. If we trade the Rams pick away and it ends up being around pick 60, then we did good. But what if Peter's and Talib become a huge distraction causing the defense to collapse? If the Rams revert to 2016 level, we will all be in here crying about how nice it would be to have that extra top 50 or better pick.
Eh, I wouldn't be certain. They caught a lot of teams by surprise a year ago and cruised a garbage division.

Teams have an entire Offseason to study them and the 49ers are going to be a problem. Sure Jimmy can also be figured out too, but I think Goff is more of a gimmick.

If there's one single team that has the makings of a 2018 let down, it's the Rams.

[jjchieffan]

Plz no dox ty


Eh, I wouldn't be certain. They caught a lot of teams by surprise a year ago and cruised a garbage division.

Teams have an entire Offseason to study them and the 49ers are going to be a problem. Sure Jimmy can also be figured out too, but I think Goff is more of a gimmick.

If there's one single team that has the makings of a 2018 let down, it's the Rams.

I agree. The Wade factor is a big deal. His defenses are usually pretty tough. But the offense doesn't scare me. They will probably have to hold their opponents under 20 to win most weeks. Granted, their defense has got the tools to do that. But, I guess we'll just have to watch and see.

[RunKC]

https://t.co/jyPK2MUDar?amp=1

Here’s the total point value per pick. Pick 54 is 360 points and Eagles pick is 590. We’ll need at least 170 extra points to move up to the early 2nd rd.

Pick-Points
78-200
86-160
122-50
124-48
196-13.7
233-4
243-2.4

[BryanBusby]

If they pay full value to move up, they're dumb. It's a buyers market this year.

[aturnis]

If the entire league knows that the Chiefs want to trade up, we'll have to ante up. Unlike the Mahomes trade this is very public.You have to consider there are teams that want to move down and get more picks.

LOOK AT THE DRAFT TRADES FROM LAST SEASON AND STOP BEING SUCH A CHICKEN LITTLE!

[Tribal Warfare]

You have to consider there are teams that want to move down and get more picks.

LOOK AT THE DRAFT TRADES FROM LAST SEASON AND STOP BEING SUCH A CHICKEN LITTLE!

Last season is done, and this season with the Peter's deal it has fucked us when it comes to negotiating especially after broadcasting what you want to do.

[BossChief]

If they pay full value to move up, they're dumb. It's a buyers market this year.

Absolutely agree.

[BossChief]

Last season is done, and this season with the Peter's deal it has ****ed us when it comes to negotiating especially after broadcasting what you want to do.

You realize that draft trades are mostly discussed the 2 weeks before the actual draft, right?

Dorsey said after the draft last year he had the deal with Buffalo in place well before the draft even started.

I think that’s why info is leaking that KC is looking to move up for a corner.

[MotherfuckerJones]

You realize that draft trades are mostly discussed the 2 weeks before the actual draft, right?

Dorsey said after the draft last year he had the deal with Buffalo in place well before the draft even started.

I think that’s why info is leaking that KC is looking to move up for a corner.

Lol I’m sure Tribal thinks trades aren’t discussed til draft day

[Tribal Warfare]

You realize that draft trades are mostly discussed the 2 weeks before the actual draft, right?

Dorsey said after the draft last year he had the deal with Buffalo in place well before the draft even started.

I think that’s why info is leaking that KC is looking to move up for a corner.

You do understand we don't have a 1st round pick this year? So we are at the mercy of the flow of the draft for 53 picks. The Chiefs have to see how it falls no matter how much discussion which includes teams prior FA and trade deals.

As I said before this is a very PUBLIC deal this isn't a silent gentleman's agreement, it's going to be a bidding war.

[Bewbies]

You do understand we don't have a 1st round pick this year? So we are at the mercy of the flow of the draft for 53 picks. The Chiefs have to see how it falls no matter how much discussion which includes teams prior FA and trade deals.

As I said before this is a very PUBLIC deal this isn't a silent gentleman's agreement, it's going to be a bidding war.

Clearly understands what a bidding war is.

[BossChief]

KC isn’t going to overpay to move up.

I assure you they will have a deal in place and I’d make a wager we move up to 32 for Phillys pick and take Jackson, Hughes or Oliver...unless Daniels is still on the board.

If Daniels slips to the end of the first, I’d love to see them move up to get him.

That kids gonna be a perennial pro bowl center/guard and is PERFECT for our system. He can fight in a phone booth or get to the perimeter.

[BryanBusby]

0 chance Daniels gets beyond the Bengals.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I'd not want to trade that 2 next year, having 2 picks in the 2nd round will be nice.

Yes.

What talent is so amazing at CB, in the late first, that we want to thin an already thin draft for the Chiefs? It's not a "final piece of the puzzle"-year for the Chiefs anyway; they have at least two more drafts and FA periods after 2018 to reach that point.

[O.city]

How the hell is it a bidding war? It’s not like everyone is moving up for a certain guy

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/redmamba707/status/986614995218784257?s=21

Here’s the dude that seems to have some kind of ins De info

A fourth to go up that high?

[BossChief]

0 chance Daniels gets beyond the Bengals.

Depends how the board falls.

No chance he makes it to the Eagles pick though.

[BryanBusby]

Depends how the board falls.

No chance he makes it to the Eagles pick though.
The Bengals don't have a Center and have to make sure they leave the draft with a Starter.

[MotherfuckerJones]

https://twitter.com/redmamba707/status/986614995218784257?s=21

Here’s the dude that seems to have some kind of ins De info

A fourth to go up that high?

To be fair, he did say at least a fourth.

[Buckweath]

https://twitter.com/redmamba707/status/986614995218784257?s=21

Here’s the dude that seems to have some kind of ins De info

A fourth to go up that high?
I am not sure you have read correctly. He does not specify how high a 4th gets them? He just says at least a 4th to move up.

[RunKC]

If they pay full value to move up, they're dumb. It's a buyers market this year.

I honestly don’t think any team in any draft would want to give up much less than draft chart value. If we wanted to move from 54 to 32, we’d need 590 points.

In addition to our 2nd rd pick, our first 3rd, a 6th and a 7th is the closest we could get to that value. Would you consider that overpaying?

[KChiefs1]

Jeremiah’s three team trade.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-draft-dream-trades-imagining-221051567.html

NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks and former UCLA head coach Jim Mora imagine a three-team draft trade between the Indianapolis Colts, New York Giants and Buffalo Bills.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Hunt, Kelce, and Houston were all drafted in the third. Hill in the fifth. Why would we give up so much capital to move up?

[Chargem]

https://twitter.com/redmamba707/status/986614995218784257?s=21

Here’s the dude that seems to have some kind of ins De info

A fourth to go up that high?

Ragnow in the 3rd would be a dream

[aturnis]

I like Austin Corbett. Think he can be had in the third or fourth.

[Buckweath]

Hunt, Kelce, and Houston were all drafted in the third. Hill in the fifth. Why would we give up so much capital to move up?

Yeah and Gaines and Russell were also drafted in the third.

You don't trade up just for the sake of trading up but the fact is you are much more likely to get a quality corner and who can contribute immediately at the end of the 1st round or early 2nd round than in the 3rd round.

Some fans think the team can be a SB contender in 2019.

I personnally think, and I'm pretty sure Veach and Reid think the same, that this team can go all the way as early as this year.

I have said it before, the Chiefs mainly need to draft (or trade for) a CB, a DL and a safety. If Veach can manage to get quality play out of 2 of those 3 new players, I really like this team going into this year. It's just about how good Mahomes can be early then.

BTW, I know LG is a concern as well but remember Alex SMith had a career year with Witzmann there so I fully expect a lower pick there but I'd be OK rolling with Ehinger or Witzmann.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Hopefully Ehinger is back to form , he showed promise before injury

[Rausch]

Hunt, Kelce, and Houston were all drafted in the third. Hill in the fifth. Why would we give up so much capital to move up?

Too many holes for a trade up.

Stay put and take BPA on defense (unless somehow a mauler G falls to us in the 3rd/4th.)

[BossChief]

I don’t get the “we have too many holes to fill” mantra.

This is one of the best rosters in the league and we need to fill a handful of spots with guys that can compete against the best.

Guys that can matchup in the playoffs against top competition and help us win those big games.

IMO that’s not with a bunch of c+ b- guys.

With this roster, I’d much rather have 2 As, a B and a couple Cs than a bunch of b-/c+ guys

2cb
1s
1dl
1lg

We come out of the draft with half those holes filled with top talent, the draft was a huge win and this team will be able to genuinely compete for a title.

[Bewbies]

I want KC to compete this year cause the SB is 10 miles from my house. That'd be great.

I'd be surprised if Mahomes is good enough to beat Big Ben, Brady etc in the AFC this year. Tough thing to do in your first year as a starter.

I do expect him to be 6-0 vs Keesum, Guyliner and Phyllis. Maybe 5-1 if we get a road game on a Thursday night in Oakland again. *cough* Bullshit.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Thin air in weeks 1 thru 3 would be rough too.

[Chris Meck]

just stay put and draft the best player available that's not a stacked position on the team. I'd lean defense other than a LG but that's debatable.

We need to come out with 3-4 good football players here.


I should specify-we just need a good solid draft here. We don't need to come up with magic. Maybe not the year for projects. Just good solid football players.

I would totally consider moving down to acquire more picks as long as it doesn't move us out of the 2nd or 3rd.

[Aspengc8]

just stay put and draft the best player available that's not a stacked position on the team. I'd lean defense other than a LG but that's debatable.

We need to come out with 3-4 good football players here.


I should specify-we just need a good solid draft here. We don't need to come up with magic. Maybe not the year for projects. Just good solid football players.

I would totally consider moving down to acquire more picks as long as it doesn't move us out of the 2nd or 3rd.

The chiefs have a 2nd, two thirds, two fourths, 6th, two 7ths. thats enough picks to find a few blue chip players. to move up just 10 spots in the second, KC would most likely have to give up both fourths from this year, or a combo of picks thats not really worth it.

[Tribal Warfare]

just stay put and draft the best player available that's not a stacked position on the team. I'd lean defense other than a LG but that's debatable.

We need to come out with 3-4 good football players here.


I should specify-we just need a good solid draft here. We don't need to come up with magic. Maybe not the year for projects. Just good solid football players.

I would totally consider moving down to acquire more picks as long as it doesn't move us out of the 2nd or 3rd.

Or trade down and load up picks for 2019 too

[BossChief]

I wonder if a third and fourth this year to go with next years second would be enough to get up to 32-40.

Depends on what chart they are using and how each team values that 2019 2

[BossChief]

Or trade down and load up picks for 2019 too

**** that.

This team needs to maximize the Mahomes rookie contract years.

We can’t afford to keep pushing resources back another year.

Get some impact guys and let’s go win a title.

I’d much rather have 4 good picks than a bunch of guys that might not make the roster or push the picks to next year.

That’s why I’d love to move up after targeting impact guys.

The impact guys push the previous starters to depth spots.

If we didn’t have a stud on a rookie deal, I’d have a different strategy, but I think this is a strike while the irons hot kinda deal here.

[RunKC]

I wonder if a third and fourth this year to go with next years second would be enough to get up to 32-40.

Depends on what chart they are using and how each team values that 2019 2

Our 2nd, first 3rd and a 6th is enough to move to 32 per the draft chart.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Or trade down and load up picks for 2019 too

Hell no

[Chris Meck]

The chiefs have a 2nd, two thirds, two fourths, 6th, two 7ths. thats enough picks to find a few blue chip players. to move up just 10 spots in the second, KC would most likely have to give up both fourths from this year, or a combo of picks thats not really worth it.


I agree. I would move DOWN a few spots here and there if it nets another pick or two; but I think mostly standing pat and picking where it lays is going to net us some solid talent.

[Tribal Warfare]

**** that.

.

KC will be playing short handed every year then . The Chiefs need to think of the long game, so they won't fuck themselves later on

[TambaBerry]

I hope Justin Reid falls

[Easy 6]

Our 2nd, first 3rd and a 6th is enough to move to 32 per the draft chart.

Kinda seems like a lot, if you ask me... if Veach goes that route, at least spread it out a bit and make it next years 3rd

[Chiefs Moon]

Kinda seems like a lot, if you ask me... if Veach goes that route, at least spread it out a bit and make it next years 3rd

I think we've already lost our 4th round pick in the Ragland deal. If we move up in any round, I hope it's only a few spots. The defense could use a starting safety and CB. A rotational DL guy is needed and an edge rusher.

There seems to be depth at CB and DL. Safety and Edge are light.

[Aspengc8]

Our 2nd, first 3rd and a 6th is enough to move to 32 per the draft chart.

Going strictly off chart numbers, it would be. It never works out exactly like that though. IMO they should stick with the picks they have now. You will gain good roster depth per cap hit value, and possibly be in a awesome cap scenario next year if they can restructure Berry and Houston a bit.

[BossChief]

KC will be playing short handed every year then . The Chiefs need to think of the long game, so they won't **** themselves later on

Ummm

We’re drafting short handed this year because of the Mahomes trade and we are short handed talent wise due to trading Peters.

If they can use that 2nd from Peters to move up for a premier CB to replace him with, I’m all for it.

Nows the time to make moves like that with Mahomes on his rookie deal.

Stack the roster and let’s go win a title before he costs us 35m per season in a few years.

[RunKC]

If we go to the max and want someone before 30, I would imagine we would trade our 2nd, 3rd, 6th and 2019 2nd to trade up.

I don’t think it would happen, but I could see it if somehow a guy fell that was at the top of Veach’s board.

[Halfcan]

If we go to the max and want someone before 30, I would imagine we would trade our 2nd, 3rd, 6th and 2019 2nd to trade up.

I don’t think it would happen, but I could see it if somehow a guy fell that was at the top of Veach’s board.

That is a lot of draft stock for one player. We have too many holes to do that imo. I hope we can get at least 5 solid players this draft with 2 starters. Mr. Veech would be kicking ass if he could do that.

[Tribal Warfare]

Ummm

We’re drafting short handed this year because of the Mahomes trade and we are short handed talent wise due to trading Peters.

If they can use that 2nd from Peters to move up for a premier CB to replace him with, I’m all for it.

Nows the time to make moves like that with Mahomes on his rookie deal.

Stack the roster and let’s go win a title before he costs us 35m per season in a few years.

This is what I WANT to do, as I said before everyone had a bitch fit concerning what KC could do.

No joke we're shorthanded, we either trade back and recoup more picks for the 2019 draft, because if the Chiefs are still maneuvering with less picks next draft season we'll be hamstrung once again.

[Buckweath]

I don't know why some think that this team has too many holes. If anything, it has few holes, which are S and CB and to a lesser extent LG and DL. I mean all teams have a few holes. The rest is just depth really which can always be improved.

The S position I am not worried as we have Eric Berry there and there are FAs to be had if things don't fall in place for Veach to draft a good safety.

The LG position, I am hoping for a 4th round pick there but between Erving, Witzmann and Ehinger, I don't think it is a major concern in all cases.

The Chiefs need a top CB prospect as Amerson and the rest of our CBs outside of Fuller and Nelson are unknowns and we know the fact that you can never have enough good corners.

This is why Veach wants to be agressive and trade up and I am all for it, especially considering the fact that we traded Peters for picks.

The DL needs a high pick too IMO but Veach might settle for a 3rd round pick there. Allen Bailey is just not good enough or reliable for me, plus he wilil be a FA next year.

[tmax63]

People need to remember player acquisition doesn't stop at the draft. There will be some players available that lose their spots because of the draft that are better than what the Chiefs have. I expect some of the depth to be improved by these.

[a pp roach]

I hope they get that kid McCringlebrerry from Penn State.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I can’t fucking wait for Thursday. For the first time in my life, I get to watch a draft while KC has their QBoTF

[Bewbies]

I can’t ****ing wait for Thursday. For the first time in my life, I get to watch a draft while KC has their QBoTF

Yeah. The is the first draft I can remember of my life I don’t want us to take a QB.

Bout damn time.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Yeah. The is the first draft I can remember of my life I don’t want us to take a QB.

Bout damn time.

It really changes the dynamic of the discussion among the fans. Now, we can surgically pick apart the myriad other components that make up a team. It's nothing but great, as it allows us to dial-in on the weaknesses that have been glossed over due to 40+ years of ignoring the most important position in football.
To observe how Veach handles the rest of the soup will be fascinating.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Yeah. The is the first draft I can remember of my life I don’t want us to take a QB.

Bout damn time.

If KC gets anything like we hope from KPass, last year's draft could be as good as anyone's in quite a long time. Franchise QB, RB and a premier pass rusher? Wishful thinking but I still believe in Kpass. Will contribute this year a lot more but I think next year is when he takes off.

[Bewbies]

If KC gets anything like we hope from KPass, last year's draft could be as good as anyone's in quite a long time. Franchise QB, RB and a premier pass rusher? Wishful thinking but I still believe in Kpass. Will contribute this year a lot more but I think next year is when he takes off.

I don’t like the QB’s this year as much as Mahomes, but in theory Dorsey could do that again this year in Cleveland. LMAO

QB1 + DE1 + RB2 or 3? Got dam!

[Bewbies]

Also, I like Kpass a lot. Hoping he shows a leap forward this year and in year 3 is a stud.

[Rasputin]

Eh I'm one that just assumes not trading up for a cornerback unless he is just going be the best ever cornerback but you can't predict that. I'd just do the best we can and stockpile draft picks for next year if possible.

[farmerchief]

Eh I'm one that just assumes not trading up for a cornerback unless he is just going be the best ever cornerback but you can't predict that. I'd just do the best we can and stockpile draft picks for next year if possible.
Yeah, I kind of agree with you. I would just take the best player in the rounds we have, unless a highly rated cb drops out of the projected first/high second, area, then I would have trade partners possibly on board. I've got a hunch all areas will be covered. I'm getting tired of waiting, wish the draft was tomorrow!

[RunKC]

I hope Veach keeps an eye out for Sam Hubbard. I haven’t seen this guy mocked as a 1st rd pick in Bucky Brooks or Daniel Jeremiah’s recent mocks.

Dude has the size, ability, athleticism and hustle. He reminds me of TJ Watt and could make an impact now.

Here’s your Justin Houston replacement

[MahomesMagic]

Besides defensive help I would love to grab interior line help. This draft is loaded with guys that can play.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Besides defensive help I would love to grab interior line help. This draft is loaded with guys that can play.

If its good and there in abundance, load the fuck up! Why get a mediocre "need" if you can land some players instead?

[BossChief]

I'd not want to trade that 2 next year, having 2 picks in the 2nd round will be nice.

Having a first this year would be nice...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Having a first this year would be nice...

If I could parlay a first in to 2 two's, I'd do it every time from here on out. The only reason to have a first has been addressed.
Unless you see some completely badass pass rusher or DB.

[KC_Lee]

Yeah. The is the first draft I can remember of my life I don’t want us to take a QB.

Bout damn time.

It's funny, I was thinking the same thing.

[Messier]

Having a first this year would be nice...

Every time I think this. I remember we have Mahomes, and I smile.

[Coogs]

Every time I think this. I remember we have Mahomes, and I smile.

And we picked up Fuller, who is a proven NFL CB. Any drafted CB still has to prove his worth.

[Tribal Warfare]

If I could parlay a first in to 2 two's, I'd do it every time from here on out. The only reason to have a first has been addressed.
Unless you see some completely badass pass rusher or DB.


http://pac-12.com/videos/colorado-track-fields-isaiah-oliver-after-setting-school-records-during-decathlon-start-huge


If you honestly research KC's draft philosophy concerning player profiles Isaiah Oliver is the target if Veach is like Dorsey.

[RustShack]

Ideally a CB falls far enough for us to trade up without selling the farm. Same with a Safety falling to us in the third... assuming we didn’t have to trade both to trade up.

[Tribal Warfare]

Ideally a CB falls far enough for us to trade up without selling the farm. Same with a Safety falling to us in the third... assuming we didn’t have to trade both to trade up.

As I stated , I'd rather trade down and attain more picks this year and next.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And we picked up Fuller, who is a proven NFL CB. Any drafted CB still has to prove his worth.

The Fuller pickup was the absolute best situation you could ask for considering that we were done with Peters. Veach is a fucking FA stud. Let's hope his drafts achieve the same raging boner of steel!

[SAUTO]

The Fuller pickup was the absolute best situation you could ask for considering that we were done with Peters. Veach is a fucking FA stud. Let's hope his drafts achieve the same raging boner of steel!

Wanna know another reason we know you aren't a chiefs fan?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Wanna know another reason we know you aren't a chiefs fan?

Wanna know why you're a slightly bothersome fuckface who should spend more time under a faulty lift?

[SAUTO]

Wanna know why you're a slightly bothersome fuckface who should spend more time under a faulty lift?

don't hate when someone is right

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

don't hate when someone is right

There's a first time for everything. Unfortunately for you, this isn't it.

[RustShack]

As I stated , I'd rather trade down and attain more picks this year and next.

I’d rather trade up and fill our biggest hole with a starting caliber CB.