Brett Veach predraft press conference

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[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach says Cam Erving will have a chance to compete at the interior spots</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/987369982886588417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Veach says he thinks Reggie Ragland can be a star</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/987370338563567616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach joked that his guys are worried about him trading up..being too aggressive...adding that when they do their own mock draft scenarios to play through different situations...he was often wanting to move up.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/987369686894555136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach said the draft board went from a few hundred players at the beginning of the process to &quot;around 160&quot; now.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/987368755457089538?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Veach mentions Keith Reaser and Will Redmond as young corners on the roster he likes</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/987371520061210625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;We feel <a href="https://twitter.com/stonecoldjones_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@stonecoldjones_</a> has a chance to be one of the best in the NFL.&quot;<br><br>~ Brett Veach.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/987371648591548418?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Rasputin]

Looking for football players in the draft football players make the best football players.

[Baby Lee]

Looking for football players in the draft football players make the best football players.

Football be very very good to me.

If it were not for football, I would not play football today.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Looking for football players in the draft football players make the best football players.

He's a dumbass. Mahomes came from a baseball background. He shold be looking there.

[Strongside]

Glad to hear we aren't looking to draft any Tennis players or top bowling prospects.

Football players are our best bet, to be honest.

[staylor26]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach joked that his guys are worried about him trading up..being too aggressive...adding that when they do their own mock draft scenarios to play through different situations...he was often wanting to move up.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/987369686894555136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach said the draft board went from a few hundred players at the beginning of the process to &quot;around 160&quot; now.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/987368755457089538?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Yea we’re definitely trading up

[O.city]

Get ready for a trade up


And I think Veach reads cp

[Halfcan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach says Cam Erving will have a chance to compete at the interior spots</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/987369982886588417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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:rolleyes:

Sorry, but Erving has never shown anything. If he is starting we are in trouble.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

:rolleyes:

Sorry, but Erving has never shown anything. If he is starting we are in trouble.

Maybe the change will be what he needs. He sux as a Tackle. Guard requires less lateral movement. Might be the next Willie Roaf of guards.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

And I think Veach reads cp

Based on?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Based on?

Well, I've always said we need to draft Defense to keep players on that side young and fast. And use FA to mostly plug holes on offense . He's been quoted as saying we're gonna get young on defense.

[KChiefs1]

Well, I've always said we need to draft Defense to keep players on that side young and fast. And use FA to mostly plug holes on offense . He's been quoted as saying we're gonna get young on defense.



So you are Veach?

[Halfcan]

Maybe the change will be what he needs. He sux as a Tackle. Guard requires less lateral movement. Might be the next Willie Roaf of guards.

If Erving can at least step in and hold that spot down without being a major negative on the Oline- that trade will be worth it. I have my doubts though- he just does not have a Nasty attitude that Roaf had.

[Kiimo]

Glad to hear we aren't looking to draft any Tennis players or top bowling prospects.

Football players are our best bet, to be honest.


If we didn't have Mahomes you can bet your ass I'd be all over Known Tennis Star Josh Rosen.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

So you are Veach?

The thought of Hog being Brett Veach is gonna have me shitting kittens.

I know he isn’t, but LMAO

[BryanBusby]

Erving fucking sucks

[Simply Red]

Yea we’re definitely trading up

That's why i say we all park our asses in Chat on Thursday.

See you all there!

[Simply Red]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Veach says he thinks Reggie Ragland can be a star</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/987370338563567616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I saw him play NCAAFB - he's phenomenal - I tried to tell you guys, when we hired him.

He's awesome and will only get better.

[Simply Red]

Based on?

He knows where our G-Spot is.

[Simply Red]

Get ready for a trade up


And I think Veach reads cp

If you can - Be in the chat feature on Thursday for the show.

[Chiefs Moon]

Erving played well against Denver. Seems like a good swing tackle.

[Dante84]

Oh, you guys talking about our sick Tight End, Cam Erving?

[Kiimo]

Cam Erving is the only misstep Veach has made so far imo. He's trash.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

The thought of Hog being Brett Veach is gonna have me shitting kittens.

I know he isn’t, but LMAO

Just for that I'm moving up to #4 and taking Mayfield .**** the rest of the draft! And **** you! And I can do that cause me and Dorse are buds

[Dante84]

Cam Erving is the only misstep Veach has made so far imo. He's trash.

We gave up a "next year" 5th round pick to gamble on a 3rd year guy who was a top-20 draft talent at a position we needed depth in.

We got him the week before the season began, which means that he wasn't in our training camp or conditioning programs - he had been in the worst-place Browns'.

I think the jury is still out on the trade, and we can determine at the end of this year if it was a plus, minus, or even.

I think it's too early to call it a misstep, and even if it doesn't work out, we can't really fault Veach for trying.

[RunKC]

Interesting that Veach brought up Reaser and Redmond. Very athletic guys who could be quality backup CB’s.

I though Reaser did a decent job n the little I saw him.

[Easy 6]

We gave up a "next year" 5th round pick to gamble on a 3rd year guy who was a top-20 draft talent at a position we needed depth in.

We got him the week before the season began, which means that he wasn't in our training camp or conditioning programs - he had been in the worst-place Browns'.

I think the jury is still out on the trade, and we can determine at the end of this year if it was a plus, minus, or even.

I think it's too early to call it a misstep, and even if it doesn't work out, we can't really fault Veach for trying.

:thumb:

[wasi]

Erving looked just fine against Denver in week 17. He already improved from his play earlier in the season. If that trend continues he will be a fine swing tackle or guard.

[Simply Red]

Erving looked just fine against Denver in week 17. He already improved from his play earlier in the season. If that trend continues he will be a fine swing tackle or guard.


Bad outweighed the good I'm afraid. He need his ass beat just for sucking so hard.

[Kiimo]

Bring Richie Incognito in for a look

[raybec 4]

Bring Richie Incognito in for a look

He retired

[Kiimo]

Nobody retires from bullying pussies

[Simply Red]

Nobody retires from bullying pussies

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[The Franchise]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article209440049.html

“I think all cards are on the table,” Veach said. “If there’s that guy who we thought was a top-10 pick and he’s there at 28, we have to be a least prepared and we have to have dialogue throughout this process. That’s why we have to start calling teams now and letting them know that we’re always open for business.”

Veach also will not reach to improve the defense, so an offensive player remains an option at No. 54. A big reason for that is because Veach is happy with some of the upgrades he’s made on the defensive side of the ball this offseason. Inside linebacker Anthony Hitchens and nose tackle Xavier Williams are two free-agent acquisitions who are expected to contribute immediately, for example, while the return of safety Eric Berry from a season-ending Achilles injury cannot be understated.

[KS Smitty]

If Erving can at least step in and hold that spot down without being a major negative on the Oline- that trade will be worth it. I have my doubts though- he just does not have a Nasty attitude that Roaf had.

Maybe we should have someone on the team sleep with his wife...

[Easy 6]

Nobody retires from bullying pussies

You're damn straight, now gimme that ****ing lunch money
















:D

[Chief Roundup]

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/videos/Brett-Veach-Previews-Draft-Week/3210053c-38a8-4655-bb89-9eb188d2d6e1


For those that would actually like to listen for themselves.

[Simply Red]

really like Veach

[Chief Roundup]

There are some things in that conference that leads you to believe that Reid is the one in charge. I know several/most/myself have thought that all along anyway.

[Simply Red]

I absolutely DO think we're trading up.

[Chief Roundup]

I absolutely DO think we're trading up.

We might but he also talked about trading back.

[BossChief]

I absolutely DO think we're trading up.

Been saying that since his last interview where he had a definite twinkle in his eye when he volunteered the info that they might trade up into the first round.

Like he already knew there was a really good chance of it happening.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs will move up and grab a stud Tight End to pair with Kelce.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Chiefs will move up and grab a stud Tight End to pair with Kelce.

If we could get a real stud that would be nice. I hate Harris.

[Chris Meck]

I absolutely DO think we're trading up.

I seriously doubt it. Unless there's a guy they REALLY covet. A solid three players that can contribute in 2018 would help the team more than any ONE guy, I think-at least that would be within any sort of reasonable striking distance.

[Easy 6]

Chiefs will move up and grab a stud Tight End to pair with Kelce.

I disagree, Veach is aiming for Barkley... Hunt may well be a flash in the pan, so lets draft Charles Barkley

[Halfcan]

If we could get a real stud that would be nice. I hate Harris.

TE
Mark Andrews, Oklahoma
Ian Thomas, Indiana
Jordan Akins, UCF
Tyler Conklin, Cent Mich
Chris Herndon, Miami
Dallas Goedert, South Dakota State
Durham Smythe, Notre Dame
Jordan Thomas, Mississippi State
David Wells, San Diego State
Ben Johnson, Kansas

They sure have brought in a lot of prospects at that position. An upgrade here is needed. I think it will be Goedert. Move up to the top of the 2nd round.

[RunKC]

Veach clearly wants a corner and with Mike Hughes assault trouble, I can’t see Veach moving up for such a risk. That leaves Isaiah Oliver and Carl Davis. I’m going with Isaiah Oliver.

We could trade a 3rd and 4th to move up, then trade down from our other 4th rd pick and add a 5th.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I can’t wait to see what Veach does. He’s a lion in the weeds waiting to pounce on his corner.

[RealSNR]

I seriously doubt it. Unless there's a guy they REALLY covet. A solid three players that can contribute in 2018 would help the team more than any ONE guy, I think-at least that would be within any sort of reasonable striking distance.

When's the last time we had a draft in which three players made decent contributions during their rookie seasons? 2008? And that's when we had two 1sts, three 3rds, and a bunch more shit after that.

Every pick we try to save in the name of balance is another opportunity for Veach to repeat Dorsey's bullshit by drafting Kpassagnons and Nelsons. Sure, Kpassagnon might end up being a good player, but he sure fucking wasn't during his rookie year. And that's the entire point of saving up on our picks, right? So that we can get multiple contributors over just one?

Fuck that. Fuck our 3rd rounders. Use them and go get Josh Jackson. If that motherfucker falls to the mid-20s for some unknown reason, go fucking get him. Josh Jackson is more valuable to the team than a bunch of Kpassgnons.

[SAUTO]

When's the last time we had a draft in which three players made decent contributions during their rookie seasons? 2008? And that's when we had two 1sts, three 3rds, and a bunch more shit after that.

Every pick we try to save in the name of balance is another opportunity for Veach to repeat Dorsey's bullshit by drafting Kpassagnons and Nelsons. Sure, Kpassagnon might end up being a good player, but he sure fucking wasn't during his rookie year. And that's the entire point of saving up on our picks, right? So that we can get multiple contributors over just one?

Fuck that. Fuck our 3rd rounders. Use them and go get Josh Jackson. If that motherfucker falls to the mid-20s for some unknown reason, go fucking get him. Josh Jackson is more valuable to the team than a bunch of Kpassgnons.
GET THAT MOTHER FUCKER !

[MotherfuckerJones]

GET THAT MOTHER ****ER !

Did someone say Motherfucker?! :)

[BryanBusby]

Veach clearly wants a corner and with Mike Hughes assault trouble, I can’t see Veach moving up for such a risk. That leaves Isaiah Oliver and Carl Davis. I’m going with Isaiah Oliver.

We could trade a 3rd and 4th to move up, then trade down from our other 4th rd pick and add a 5th.
I bet they already knew and still want rape man

[KChiefs1]

When's the last time we had a draft in which three players made decent contributions during their rookie seasons? 2008? And that's when we had two 1sts, three 3rds, and a bunch more shit after that.



Every pick we try to save in the name of balance is another opportunity for Veach to repeat Dorsey's bullshit by drafting Kpassagnons and Nelsons. Sure, Kpassagnon might end up being a good player, but he sure fucking wasn't during his rookie year. And that's the entire point of saving up on our picks, right? So that we can get multiple contributors over just one?



Fuck that. Fuck our 3rd rounders. Use them and go get Josh Jackson. If that motherfucker falls to the mid-20s for some unknown reason, go fucking get him. Josh Jackson is more valuable to the team than a bunch of Kpassgnons.


Drafting KPassa was a huge mistake.

You don’t draft projects in the 2nd round even if it’s a late pick. Awuzie at CB, JuJu at WR & Kamara at RB were there & would have been better picks.

[Simply Red]

I seriously doubt it. Unless there's a guy they REALLY covet. A solid three players that can contribute in 2018 would help the team more than any ONE guy, I think-at least that would be within any sort of reasonable striking distance.

It was pretty easy to read - I like Veach so far but I assume he doesn't play poker.

[cabletech94]

It was pretty easy to read - I like Veach so far but I assume he doesn't play poker.

thats too bad. i play poker.

giggity.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Use them and go get Josh Jackson. If that motherfucker falls to the mid-20s for some unknown reason, go fucking get him. Josh Jackson is more valuable to the team than a bunch of Kpassgnons.

Unless they pull off something like this I just don't think you can sit were we are and get a CB who can start day one. CBs are like QBs and LTs you need to get a 1st rounder if you want a finished product.

[MotherfuckerJones]

The chiefs have gotten some mighty good value in round 3 over the years, so I’m not as quick to trade the 3s. But I trust Veach and his plan.

[Chiefs Moon]

If Veach is trading up in all their mock scenarios, there must be a highly ranked player or two on their board that keep falling. They obviously target certain players and ask about a price. That seems like a good way to do business on draft day. Any guesses as to who that might be? Lorenzo Carter? Harrison Phillips? Justin Reid? Ronnie Harrison? Anthony Miller?

[rabblerouser]

Maybe the change will be what he needs. He sux as a Tackle. Guard requires less lateral movement. Might be the next Willie Roaf of guards.
So...Will Shields then.

[oldman]

I'm not convinced that there is a player in a position of need, other than CB, that would be worth trading our limited draft stock for. I agree there are some studs out there, but what would it take to get them? The 1st round probably would cost us some next year capital and I'm not willing to let that go.
While Kpass may have been drafted too high, I think he comes into his own this year.

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/joshnorris/status/987691016194060288?s=21

This is why I don’t know about trading up. If the strength of the draft is 75-150 we need to load up thete

[Sofa King]

TE
Mark Andrews, Oklahoma
Ian Thomas, Indiana
Jordan Akins, UCF
Tyler Conklin, Cent Mich
Chris Herndon, Miami
Dallas Goedert, San Diego State
Durham Smythe, Notre Dame
Jordan Thomas, Mississippi State
David Wells, San Diego State
Ben Johnson, Kansas

They sure have brought in a lot of prospects at that position. An upgrade here is needed. I think it will be Goedert. Move up to the top of the 2nd round.

South Dakota State

[BryanBusby]

https://twitter.com/joshnorris/status/987691016194060288?s=21

This is why I don’t know about trading up. If the strength of the draft is 75-150 we need to load up thete
That's what I've been saying the whole time. It's a deep ass draft.

[Halfcan]

South Dakota State

I copied that from the Draft visiting thread- nice catch. I fixed it. :)

[Coogs]

We gave up a "next year" 5th round pick to gamble on a 3rd year guy who was a top-20 draft talent at a position we needed depth in.

We got him the week before the season began, which means that he wasn't in our training camp or conditioning programs - he had been in the worst-place Browns'.

I think the jury is still out on the trade, and we can determine at the end of this year if it was a plus, minus, or even.

I think it's too early to call it a misstep, and even if it doesn't work out, we can't really fault Veach for trying.

I agree with this. It looks like he will be on the team this fall too, as his 1.7 million salary is fully guaranteed.

[RunKC]

https://twitter.com/joshnorris/status/987691016194060288?s=21

This is why I don’t know about trading up. If the strength of the draft is 75-150 we need to load up thete

Trading our 2nd, one of our 3rd and a 6th would give us a difference maker and 3 picks in the 75-125 range.

I’m down for that

[O.city]

That's what I've been saying the whole time. It's a deep ass draft.

True
But I think we overvalue draft picks. If they have a certain guy they want, go get him

[Chief Roundup]

Trading our 2nd, one of our 3rd and a 6th would give us a difference maker and 3 picks in the 75-125 range.

I’m down for that

I don't care about the 6th but the 3rd I don't really want to use as it should be another good player.

[O.city]

Trading our 2nd, one of our 3rd and a 6th would give us a difference maker and 3 picks in the 75-125 range.

I’m down for that

Yep

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Get ready for a trade up


And I think Veach reads cp

Is it any surprise then that he is showing signs of early success? Veach is doing what the long list of failures before him failed to do; reading CP, studying the superior tactics given, and putting them to use while simultaneously showing great discipline and restraint by not registering and blasting the wayward, truck stop dick-sucking ilk of the predecessor to greatness fan club.

Took a long time for the stars to properly align, but it was inevitable.

:)

[RealSNR]

I don't care about the 6th but the 3rd I don't really want to use as it should be another good player.

Should be.

How many good CBs have we drafted in the 3rd round recently? DL?

Yeah, Dorsey drafted Kelce and Hunt in the 3rd round. He also took Philip Gaines and Keivarae Russell.

The Chiefs don't have a 1st rounder. I'd like to see us get one by trading up for a player we REALLY like and getting him that 5th year option. A 3rd rounder could be a starter, but I really doubt we're going to fill ALL of the team's perceived needs by hitting on all of our 2nd and 3rd round picks. It just doesn't ever happen.

The 2011 draft was rare. We're not getting a starting C, Edge, and DL with our 1st three picks. It's not fucking happening. As it is, we'll be lucky if we get an okay backup/contributor in this season with ONE of those picks

Find a player you like. And if you can afford him (which should include the 2nd rounder for next year as well as both 3rds this year) then go get him.

[O.city]

Should be.

How many good CBs have we drafted in the 3rd round recently? DL?

Yeah, Dorsey drafted Kelce and Hunt in the 3rd round. He also took Philip Gaines and Keivarae Russell.

The Chiefs don't have a 1st rounder. I'd like to see us get one by trading up for a player we REALLY like and getting him that 5th year option. A 3rd rounder could be a starter, but I really doubt we're going to fill ALL of the team's perceived needs by hitting on all of our 2nd and 3rd round picks. It just doesn't ever happen.

The 2011 draft was rare. We're not getting a starting C, Edge, and DL with our 1st three picks. It's not ****ing happening. As it is, we'll be lucky if we get an okay backup/contributor in this season with ONE of those picks

Find a player you like. And if you can afford him (which should include the 2nd rounder for next year as well as both 3rds this year) then go get him.

I agree

Now I’m gonna go drink bleach

[Chiefshrink]

If we didn't have Mahomes you can bet your ass I'd be all over Known Tennis Star Josh Rosen.

Not for me. Rosen is just toooooooo Cutlarian/Rob Johnson for me. And I have seen a few interviews to justify my "thinking/feeling" about this kid as well and that doesn't include all his Sam Bradford issues of staying on the field specifically his concussion history.

My prediction of the QBs in this year's draft is that Rosen/Mayfield will fall to some degree with Mayfield falling to the 2nd and maybe even Rosen. Sounds crazy but you just don't know what GM offices are really thinking at this point. Saving grace for Mayfield is that short QBs like Brees,and Russel have been successful BUT Mayfield has that Manziel flavor of personality(not full on but just enough) to scare them off after the Manziel train wreck.

[Rausch]

He's a dumbass. Mahomes came from a baseball background. He shold be looking there.

You actually said this...

[O.city]

Not for me. Rosen is just toooooooo Cutlarian/Rob Johnson for me. And I have seen a few interviews to justify my "thinking/feeling" about this kid as well and that doesn't include all his Sam Bradford issues of staying on the field specifically his concussion history.

My prediction of the QBs in this year's draft is that Rosen/Mayfield will fall to some degree with Mayfield falling to the 2nd and maybe even Rosen. Sounds crazy but you just don't know what GM offices are really thinking at this point. Saving grace for Mayfield is that short QBs like Brees,and Russel have been successful BUT Mayfield has that Manziel flavor of personality(not full on but just enough) to scare them off after the Manziel train wreck.

Mayfield isn’t getting out of the top 4. Rosen May fall though

[jjchieffan]

Unless they pull off something like this I just don't think you can sit were we are and get a CB who can start day one. CBs are like QBs and LTs you need to get a 1st rounder if you want a finished product.

I disagree. Later round corners are often day 1 starters. Remember our 2008 draft? We got 2 starting corners that year. Neither of them in the first. Brandon Flowers came in the 2nd round and then we got Carr in the 5th. Herm saw something in those guys. Give Reach a chance. He may have some sleepers in his plans.

[The Franchise]

I disagree. Later round corners are often day 1 starters. Remember our 2008 draft? We got 2 starting corners that year. Neither of them in the first. Brandon Flowers came in the 2nd round and then we got Carr in the 5th. Herm saw something in those guys. Give Reach a chance. He may have some sleepers in his plans.

You say often and then go back 10 years?

[Chiefshrink]

I think IF we do trade up it will be from 54 somewhere into mid to high 30's for that coveted player assuming that coveted player falls into reach. But the player MUST BE COVETED(meaning can't miss type player).

Otherwise, I think we build the roster this year by actually staying put or even trading down a few spots acquiring more picks especially since the draft is the strongest from 75-150. The draft is especially strong this year unlike most and when you need playmakers/depth this only makes sense to either stay put or trade down. Build your roster this year when the draft is stoked with quality players I say.:shrug:

Can't afford to give up picks especially in a deep draft that doesn't happen very often when you have many holes to fill.:shake:

[jjchieffan]

You say often and then go back 10 years?

It was an example that the Chiefs did. I had to do no research for that one. I'm out enjoying BBQ at Rock n Ribs, so I didn't take the time to look up information that I know is out there.

[Chiefshrink]

Mayfield isn’t getting out of the top 4.

You may be right and the success of Brees/Russell maybe have paved the way for him:shrug: But when was the last time a short successful QB was taken in the 1st rd let alone in the top overall 4 picks?? Brees was in the 2nd and Wilson was in the 3rd. This is my point. Brees/Russell and the RPO offense helps Mayfield but IMHO he won't go in the first 4 picks.

[O.city]

Historically once you get past the third round you aren’t finding s good player

Sure you can but it’s not likely

I’d rather trade up and a month ago I didn’t want yo

[O.city]

You may be right and the success of Brees/Russell maybe have paved the way for him:shrug: But when was the last time a short successful QB was taken in the 1st rd let alone in the top overall 4 picks?? Brees was in the 2nd and Wilson was in the 3rd. This is my point. Brees/Russell and the RPO offense helps Mayfield but IMHO he won't go in the first 4 picks.

Won’t have as much to do with those guys as it will mayfield actually being good

If he were 6”4 he’d be the consensus #1 guy, he’s the best pure passer in the draft

The jets are supposedly locked into him at 3

[BryanBusby]

True
But I think we overvalue draft picks. If they have a certain guy they want, go get him
Generally, yes. This draft is incredibly deep, though

Spending a lot to move up would be a colossal mistake unless it's for an elite player that falls for no fucking reason.

[Chiefshrink]

Historically once you get past the third round you aren’t finding s good player

Sure you can but it’s not likely

I’d rather trade up and a month ago I didn’t want yo

Well if we do trade up it better be a can't miss type player because we are not winning the SB this year and that is because we need to build the roster especially on defense and when the draft is deep(which doesn't happen often) and you have holes to fill you take advantage of that especially when you know you are not going to the SB.

[O.city]

Generally, yes. This draft is incredibly deep, though

Spending a lot to move up would be a colossal mistake unless it's for an elite player that falls for no ****ing reason.

Possibly

But If they trade up I’ll atleast assume it’s for a guy they think is a legit dude

[jjchieffan]

You say often and then go back 10 years?

Richard Sherman and Josh Norman in the 5th. Is that better?

[BryanBusby]

Possibly

But If they trade up I’ll atleast assume it’s for a guy they think is a legit dude
The thing is, I don't think the probability of that is much different from late 1st into Round 3.

[O.city]

Richard Sherman and Josh Norman in the 5th. Is that better?

Now how many guys taken in those rounds completely never do jack shit? The majority


It’s a lottery ticket

[jjchieffan]

Now how many guys taken in those rounds completely never do jack shit? The majority


It’s a lottery ticket

The whole draft is a lottery ticket. Granted, the chances are better in the first round. But we seem to have a staff that is pretty good at evaluating draft talent. The post I quoted basically said that it was next to impossible to get a starting cornerback outside of the first. I think that with the depth at CB in this draft, that there is a better than normal chance of getting a starting CB at 54. I expressed my disagreement with his assessment, then proceeded to list starting CB's for us, then a couple of top CB's that had came from later rounds to back up my statement. And I will state it one more time. We definitely can stay put and still find at least one starting CB if our staff is as good as we think that they are.

[Chiefshrink]

Won’t have as much to do with those guys as it will mayfield actually being good

If he were 6”4 he’d be the consensus #1 guy, he’s the best pure passer in the draft

The jets are supposedly locked into him at 3

No doubt IF he were 6'4". But he is not. And you know as well as I do it is all "poker playing" from the time the National Championship game ends each year until the picks are made. I have never believed anything coming out of any front offices EVER when it comes to the draft PERIOD.

But to your point out of all the QBs in this year's draft I agree with you that Mayfield is the best athletically,throwing accuracy and attitude to lead in this year's bunch.

Now with all that said, talking about short QBs, I think this kid Logan Woodside is the real deal and is very Mahomesque(not totally but he has the athletic moxy and good arm). Take a look IF you haven't already. I would love for us to take a chance on him spending a late rd on him IF not sign him as UFA just in case PM2 doesn't work out because as you know there are no guarantees in life.

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[O.city]

The whole draft is a lottery ticket. Granted, the chances are better in the first round. But we seem to have a staff that is pretty good at evaluating draft talent. The post I quoted basically said that it was next to impossible to get a starting cornerback outside of the first. I think that with the depth at CB in this draft, that there is a better than normal chance of getting a starting CB at 54. I expressed my disagreement with his assessment, then proceeded to list starting CB's for us, then a couple of top CB's that had came from later rounds to back up my statement. And I will state it one more time. We definitely can stay put and still find at least one starting CB if our staff is as good as we think that they are.

Probability is probability

Hell they could find a hall of famer in the 6thits just unlikely

Just have to see where they feel the talent drops off and with all the trade up talk, I’m thinking it’s before 54

[JakeF]

Erving looked just fine against Denver in week 17. He already improved from his play earlier in the season. If that trend continues he will be a fine swing tackle or guard.
Andy Heck sucks.

[Chiefshrink]

Erving played well against Denver. Seems like a good swing tackle.

For the most part Erving played against 2nd stringers that day and the season psychologically was over for the any 1st stringers he played against. He better have played well that day.:rolleyes:

[Halfcan]

I think IF we do trade up it will be from 54 somewhere into mid to high 30's for that coveted player assuming that coveted player falls into reach. ). But the player MUST BE COVETED(meaning can't miss type player

Otherwise, I think we build the roster this year by actually staying put or even trading down a few spots acquiring more picks especially since the draft is the strongest from 75-150. The draft is especially strong this year unlike most and when you need playmakers/depth this only makes sense to either stay put or trade down. Build your roster this year when the draft is stoked with quality players I say.:shrug:

Can't afford to give up picks especially in a deep draft that doesn't happen very often when you have many holes to fill.:shake:

Yep, the Chiefs have drafted a lot of "can't miss players" in the 1st round that turned out to be Bust. The list is long.

Is there really going to be a CB or any player worth giving up 3 or 4 high round picks for? Doubtful. :shake:

[Halfcan]

Historically once you get past the third round you aren’t finding s good player

Sure you can but it’s not likely

I’d rather trade up and a month ago I didn’t want yo

The Candian Doc says hi. :)

[Chargem]

I dunno, you draft a guy in the 3rd and he might be a bust. But if you trade up to get a guy in the first, he still might be a bust and it's a much bigger deal if you spend a load of resources and get snake eyes.

It's not really possible to quantify whether the increased cost sufficiently decreases the chance of a bust to make trading up worth it I think, either way you're trusting Veach and his team to evaluate talent, whether that be 1st round or 2nd round or 3rd round talent.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Mayfield isn’t getting out of the top 4. Rosen May fall though

Oh he is DEFINITELY getting out of the top four.

The only possibility otherwise is that a hard up or ignorant GM pulls the pulls the trigger due to draft day adrenaline.

[Halfcan]

Well if we do trade up it better be a can't miss type player because we are not winning the SB this year and that is because we need to build the roster especially on defense and when the draft is deep(which doesn't happen often) and you have holes to fill you take advantage of that especially when you know you are not going to the SB.

That is a long sentence.

So we are not winning the Super Bowl this year? Bummer. Thanks for the heads up, now I don't have to watch the season.

Who is going to win it? I would like to put some money down.

[TimeForWasp]

There are some things in that conference that leads you to believe that Reid is the one in charge. I know several/most/myself have thought that all along anyway.t


I noticed the same thing.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I like it when the Chiefs load up on mid round picks because regardless of who the GM is, KC has always performed well in those rounds.

I'd love to see Veach enter the draft with 2 two's and 4 three through five round picks.

Dude would make a HAUL.

[oldman]

I think IF we do trade up it will be from 54 somewhere into mid to high 30's for that coveted player assuming that coveted player falls into reach. But the player MUST BE COVETED(meaning can't miss type player).

Otherwise, I think we build the roster this year by actually staying put or even trading down a few spots acquiring more picks especially since the draft is the strongest from 75-150. The draft is especially strong this year unlike most and when you need playmakers/depth this only makes sense to either stay put or trade down. Build your roster this year when the draft is stoked with quality players I say.:shrug:

Can't afford to give up picks especially in a deep draft that doesn't happen very often when you have many holes to fill.:shake:

I agree, build the roster with the mid-round picks. I couldn't care less about 6th and 7ths, trade them if there's a 4th or 5th you want. Don't be throwing away future 2s and 3s, either.

[SAUTO]

Not for me. Rosen is just toooooooo Cutlarian/Rob Johnson for me. And I have seen a few interviews to justify my "thinking/feeling" about this kid as well and that doesn't include all his Sam Bradford issues of staying on the field specifically his concussion history.

My prediction of the QBs in this year's draft is that Rosen/Mayfield will fall to some degree with Mayfield falling to the 2nd and maybe even Rosen. Sounds crazy but you just don't know what GM offices are really thinking at this point. Saving grace for Mayfield is that short QBs like Brees,and Russel have been successful BUT Mayfield has that Manziel flavor of personality(not full on but just enough) to scare them off after the Manziel train wreck.
Dumb

[The Franchise]

Dumb

Yes. Yes he is.

[Chiefshrink]

That is a long sentence.

So we are not winning the Super Bowl this year? Bummer. Thanks for the heads up, now I don't have to watch the season.

Who is going to win it? I would like to put some money down.

Sorry Half, I have a bad habit of run on sentences. Sure I will make a bet with you that we don't win the SB:shrug: Not trying to be a "negative Nancy" here just being realistic here because our defense sucks hind tit right now.

What's the wager ???:hmmm:

[Chiefshrink]

Dumb

Yes. Yes he is.

What ? No rebuttal, just "dumb" ? State your case !!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

What ? No rebuttal, just "dumb" ? State your case !!

He has droopy, sad, "predecessor to greatness"-eyes.

All that's missing is the underwater rock-humping.

:)

[SAUTO]

What ? No rebuttal, just "dumb" ? State your case !!

Your catalog of posts

[O.city]

Your catalog of posts

Did I make it in pd tonight?

[MotherfuckerJones]

Generally, yes. This draft is incredibly deep, though

Spending a lot to move up would be a colossal mistake unless it's for an elite player that falls for no ****ing reason.

That’s why I struggle with Hughes. He’s got questions marks. A lot of them.

[SAUTO]

Did I make it in pd tonight?

ROFL its on dvr. Should I watch for you m

[Chiefshrink]

Your catalog of posts

Now those are substantive for sure !!:thumb:

[SAUTO]

Now those are substantive for sure !!:thumb:

Proof of dumbness

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Now those are substantive for sure !!:thumb:

I could live without "fire in the belly" and the myriad other cliches...

[Chiefshrink]

Proof of dumbness

While you still reveal no substantive proof for your statement here.:rolleyes:

[Chiefshrink]

I could live without "fire in the belly" and the myriad other cliches...

I don't know Clay, that cliche say's it all in a lot of ways especially at the QB position.:shrug:

[Halfcan]

Sorry Half, I have a bad habit of run on sentences. Sure I will make a bet with you that we don't win the SB:shrug: Not trying to be a "negative Nancy" here just being realistic here because our defense sucks hind tit right now.

What's the wager ???:hmmm:

I was just making the point that you are writing off the season as a failure before the draft, training camp and preseason games.

Anything less than a Championship is a failed season- correct.

Technically, we don't know if the defense sucks yet. They have not even had a practice or finalized the roster. We can't even base it on last year, because the unit will be so different. Sutton is still here, so unless we feel he is so completely incompetent we won't see a bit of improve- there is all indication it will be a much better unit.

The odds are against every team to win it all, but I think the Chiefs have a decent chance to take the AFC. I believe our offense will be that great.

[Tribal Warfare]

That’s why I struggle with Hughes. He’s got questions marks. A lot of them.

If we're going by production it's Jackson, but when including being
a shear athlete then the other is Oliver

[Chiefshrink]

I was just making the point that you are writing off the season as a failure before the draft, training camp and preseason games.

Anything less than a Championship is a failed season- correct.


I get your point and maybe I should have explained more succinctly. We are in semi-rebuild mode with the defense IF not almost full rebuild. With a new QB taking over with just one game under his belt getting very little if any chemistry time with Hill,Kelce, Watkins and ??? is why my expectations are much lower because it takes time to build chemistry and even longer when you are a new QB trying to just figure out the NFL game regardless of talent. Now with that said, it definitely was to PM2's advantage to set but when called upon he did come through shining leading a 4th qtr drive to win the game which is what you want to see.

And I totally agree with you this will be exciting to watch "once" the chemistry is there but it will take time as well for the defense to gel into it's new chemistry. I don't think we have all the pieces nor will have them after this draft either but we will be much closer and why I say we will not win the SB this year. Making the playoffs will be huge for PM2's first legit year at QB and because of his talent and if injuries are at a minimum I think we could go at least past the first round.

Defining success for this team in 2018 doesn't mean we have to win the SB in order to be successful. I just need to see forward progression in key areas of need of which we have many that show we are a real contender to win the SB.

Is our offense a contending SB offense ? On paper it does. But we still need a nasty run blocking line and another athletic TE to complete that offense and PM2 to continue to show smarts and discipline.

Is our defense at least a mediocre defense that competes ? On paper it is getting there but no where near a SB type of defense or at least an above average defense that can get you there.

[Holladay]

Football be very very good to me.

If it were not for football, I would not play football today.

Comedy Gold. One of the best routines.

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[Halfcan]

I get your point and maybe I should have explained more succinctly. We are in semi-rebuild mode with the defense IF not almost full rebuild. With a new QB taking over with just one game under his belt getting very little if any chemistry time with Hill,Kelce, Watkins and ??? is why my expectations are much lower because it takes time to build chemistry and even longer when you are a new QB trying to just figure out the NFL game regardless of talent. Now with that said, it definitely was to PM2's advantage to set but when called upon he did come through shining leading a 4th qtr drive to win the game which is what you want to see.

And I totally agree with you this will be exciting to watch "once" the chemistry is there but it will take time as well for the defense to gel into it's new chemistry. I don't think we have all the pieces nor will have them after this draft either but we will be much closer and why I say we will not win the SB this year. Making the playoffs will be huge for PM2's first legit year at QB and because of his talent and if injuries are at a minimum I think we could go at least past the first round.

Defining success for this team in 2018 doesn't mean we have to win the SB in order to be successful. I just need to see forward progression in key areas of need of which we have many that show we are a real contender to win the SB.

Is our offense a contending SB offense ? On paper it does. But we still need a nasty run blocking line and another athletic TE to complete that offense and PM2 to continue to show smarts and discipline.

Is our defense at least a mediocre defense that competes ? On paper it is getting there but no where near a SB type of defense or at least an above average defense that can get you there.

Mahomes spent time with every receiver in the offseason, plus he has all training camp and preseason to build chemistry.

Chiefs are an elite AFC team and top ten in the NFL- it is going to be a long season, but anything can happen.