*****The Breeland Speaks Thread*****

[Dante84]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember this guy? �� He’s headed to the Kansas City Chiefs. <a href="https://t.co/H9Pqq8jPJS">pic.twitter.com/H9Pqq8jPJS</a></p>&mdash; SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/990024562191556609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs give up No. 54 and No. 78, get No. 46 and No. 100</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/990019355592351744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said Speaks will mostly likely begin his career as a OLB rather than DE.</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/990024662628425729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Overview
Speaks finished strong in his final year in Oxford, sacking the quarterback six times in the team's final six games from the defensive end position. He started all 12 games for the Rebels in 2017, posting 67 tackles, eight for loss which included seven sacks to garner second-team All-SEC by league media. The Jackson, Mississippi native and four-star recruit was a defensive tackle initially, redshirting in 2014 and then starting two of 13 games played the following year (32 tackles, 5.5 for loss, one sack, two pass breakups). Speaks played in every game again as a sophomore, starting seven, making 28 tackles, 1.5 for loss, and a sack.
Strengths

Big man with good speed and plus athletic ability
Has experience at a variety of spots along defensive line
Has size and length to play in odd or even front
Punches with good hand placement, arm extension and rolled hips when allowed to two-gap
Has attitude and edge
Flashes potential to become more proficient with hands as a weapon
Able to play ahead of move blocks and disrupt into backside gaps
Plays with plus awareness
Responds well to flow of the play
Offers a little more pass rush than expected as power end
Pairs hands and feet to help free him as interior rusher along the edge
Arm-over move has some potential

Weaknesses

Had just one season of big production
Inconsistent at leveraging gap
Plays top-heavy with high pad level
Allows blockers under his pads when attacking gaps
Hip-tightness leads to narrowing of his base
Struggles to hold ground against down blocks and can be rolled out of the gap
Has straight line speed, but lateral agility and foot quickness are average in tight quarters
Goes over the edge with emotions
Chippy hitter willing to lead with helmet when play is ending
Ejected for targeting against Kentucky and ejected against Mississippi State for two unsportsmanlike penalties

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reid says Brett Veach &quot;wore him out&quot; watching tape on Speaks. Watched all of his snaps from last season, says he never saw him on the ground. Compares him to Tamba Hali with size and metrics.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/990025147951271936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs&#39; second-round pick Breeland Speaks recorded 67 tackles (27 solo), eight tackles-for-loss and seven sacks for Ole Miss in 2017.</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/990020804221001728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Bspeaks9?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Bspeaks9</a> is the 46th pick in the 2018 DRAFT; the <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> 1st pick. 2 year starter that can scream off the edge. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BaldyBreakdowns?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BaldyBreakdowns</a> <a href="https://t.co/39qIZcbEW3">pic.twitter.com/39qIZcbEW3</a></p>&mdash; Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/990024610795180032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[thabear04]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’ll trust whatever they’re doing still need a CB or Safety.

[Otter]

I only hope he listens as good as he speaks.

[Best22]

I guess they believe in Amerson

[smithandrew051]

As bad as our D Line has been, it’s hard to argue with the thought process.

[displacedinMN]

good football name

[Simply Red]

B- grade

[BryanBusby]

I like it

[Simply Red]

yeah why did we move up for him?

[Kman34]

Didn’t we learn a lesson with over the edge emotion guy??

[tk13]

yeah why did we move up for him?

They had to believe someone coming up was going to take him.

[Simplicity]

So a project Pick while our cornerback room sucks... aight veach you had me with the Watkins and Hitchens pick ups but this blows my mind

[wheeler08]

yeah why did we move up for him?

Unless I missed it he wasn’t even on the list of Best players left available that was posted

[tatorhog]

With the trade up I was expecting Oliver.

Don’t know anything about this dude other than Mayock talking about having a 3rd round grade on him.

Time will tell, hope he works out

[Sofa King]

Who?

[BigRedChief]

Sounds like he came on late in his college career. But could be someone in a year or two. Pass rushers are hard to come by.

[Flying High D]

We won’t get the pizza now. He better be good.

[Best22]

I think it is a bit of a reach but he should be able to contribute. I believe he's much farther along than

Just don't feel confident with only 3 legit corners (Fuller, Amerson, Nelson)

[FloridaMan88]

For what it's worth, Kiper before the draft said that Speaks was "the most underrated defensive player in the draft".

[ChiefsCountry]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mel Kiper on pre-draft conference call says Ole Miss DE Breeland Speaks is the most underrated defensive player in the draft, currently in 2nd day conversation as a 2nd/3rd rounder. A top selection in a supbar DE class, could be someone Vikings keep an eye on in early-mid rounds.</p>&mdash; Courtney Cronin (@CourtneyRCronin) <a href="https://twitter.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/986623806285537280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Couch-Potato]

Here's his Combine video: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/breeland-speaks?id=32462018-0002-5600-13af-b3aba25676ae

Wasn't impressed until he started showing his ability to change direction, guy can move.

[petegz28]

I think it is a bit of a reach but he should be able to contribute. I believe he's much farther along than

Just don't feel confident with only 3 legit corners (Fuller, Amerson, Nelson)

Don't care how good your CB's are. If you have no pass rush, it doesn't matter.

[MatriculatingHank]

I'm a Mississippian and an Ole Miss fan. Speaks will do us proud!

[CupidStunt]

Unless I missed it he wasn’t even on the list of Best players left available that was posted

Yeah, cuz that's, like, the official list, bro.

[keg in kc]

I'd love this pick if his name was Maurice Hurst. Not sure I get why they had to trade up for this guy.

ESPN guys did seem to like him more than Mayock, so there is that. Guess we'll see. Front office must really like him.

[Dante84]

Watched his tape - looks like he's really good at diagnosing the play and finding the ball, and he is a very aggressive tackler.

[Infidel Goat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mel Kiper on pre-draft conference call says Ole Miss DE Breeland Speaks is the most underrated defensive player in the draft, currently in 2nd day conversation as a 2nd/3rd rounder. A top selection in a supbar DE class, could be someone Vikings keep an eye on in early-mid rounds.</p>&mdash; Courtney Cronin (@CourtneyRCronin) <a href="https://twitter.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/986623806285537280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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More Kiper: https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi/mel-kiper-singles-out-ole-miss-breeland-speaks-as-potential-day-two-steal-of-2018-nfl-draft

[CupidStunt]

Some of you people are so mind-numbingly stupid I can't even comprehend how you can figure out how to post.

We've made ONE pick. "We still need a corner" ... "our cornerback room still sucks" ... news flash: you can't fix your entire fucking team with 1 draft pick, and here's a bonus tip for you - drafting for need is what the Cleveland Browns do. Go be a Browns fan. Have fun with that.

[petegz28]

Remember, these "experts" also had Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel as top picks......

[Stryker]

So a project Pick while our cornerback room sucks... aight veach you had me with the Watkins and Hitchens pick ups but this blows my mind

This. Damn I thought they were moving up for I. Oliver. Uuuuugggghhhh!

[petegz28]

Some of you people are so mind-numbingly stupid I can't even comprehend how you can figure out how to post.

We've made ONE pick. "We still need a corner" ... "our cornerback room still sucks" ... news flash: you can't fix your entire ****ing team with 1 draft pick, and here's a bonus tip for you - drafting for need is what the Cleveland Browns do. Go be a Browns fan. Have fun with that.

No no no no no NO!!!! WRONG! YOU'RE WRONG!

YOU R WRONG!

1 CB fixes everything on our defense. Don't you get it????

:eek:

[thabear04]

He the guy who recovered the fumble and was waving at the camera. Seem like he just love to play football and have fun like chris jones.

https://instagram.com/p/BiGADZQAqs0/

[petegz28]

If this guy can blast the gap and get in the backfield that's a much needed improvement over last year.

A good pass rush makes an average CB and good CB.

The greatest CB cannot makeup for a weak pass rush.

[Dante84]

Jones / KPass / Speaks / Houston

[staylor26]

Veach clearly thinks this guy and Jones will wreck shit

I’m cautiously optimistic about this pick

[wazu]

I like most of what I’m reading. Sounds like he brings some much-needed toughness to our D. Guess we’ll see.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

He the guy who recovered the fumble and was waving at the camera. Seem like he just love to play football and have fun like chris jones.

https://instagram.com/p/BiGADZQAqs0/

Warren Sapp comedic instincts... I would take 3/4's of Warren's career.

[RunKC]

We wanted Taven Bryan for inside pressure. He was gone so this is the backup plan.

[petegz28]

Veach clearly thinks this guy and Jones will wreck shit

I’m cautiously optimistic about this pick

Pretty much how you have to be with every pick.

I remember when we drafted Hali how many people were against that.

Or trading up for Houston.

Seems the Charles pick was mocked as well, IIRC.

[Chris Meck]

Veach clearly thinks this guy and Jones will wreck shit

I’m cautiously optimistic about this pick

that's what I'm saying. I don't know enough about the INDIVIDUAL but I totally get and can get behind the THINKING. Versatile, 3 down guy with a nasty streak and pass rush skills.

[Quesadilla Joe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said Speaks will mostly likely begin his career as a OLB rather than DE.</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/990024662628425729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Stryker]

This. Damn I thought they were moving up for I. Oliver. Uuuuugggghhhh!

Shit! I actually like it! I was wrong. Sorry!

[rico]

Fucking studly.

[Buns]

Loving his name yo

[petegz28]

So, like....does he have a motor and stuff?

[keg in kc]

285 pound OLB?

Mmmkay.

[mcaj22]

another college dlineman to OLBer project?

[staylor26]

Reid giving a great breakdown live in the OP

[RunKC]

Chris Jones was really good on the edge last year. He slimmed down to 285. Now we pick another guy similar to what he is currently at physically.

Tanoh, Jones and Speaks can all play edge or inside. Lotta versatility there.

[petegz28]

I'm not seeing a whole lot to bitch about. Dude definitely seems to know how to get in the backfield and wreck shit.

[petegz28]

285 pound OLB?

Mmmkay.

I thought the same but the athleticism of players today is not like it used to be.

[staylor26]

I'm not seeing a whole lot to bitch about. Dude definitely seems to know how to get in the backfield and wreck shit.

People are just way too reactionary on draft day

We were all wanting a DB, but we took a sleeper with the skill set to be a huge steal like Jones. It’s a surprise and a bit of a disappointment, but of course it wasn’t a bad pick.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Super talented and passionate. Like the player and the pick

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Chris Jones was really good on the edge last year. He slimmed down to 285. Now we pick another guy similar to what he is currently at physically.

Tanoh, Jones and Speaks can all play edge or inside. Lotta versatility there.

Seems that they want a front full of strong dudes who also have some explosion. No pure fatties, but not many frail dudes either.

[chiefzilla1501]

So a project Pick while our cornerback room sucks... aight veach you had me with the Watkins and Hitchens pick ups but this blows my mind

I love it. A GM who takes risks. Use the high picks on positional value. Gladly take a few projects even if a few busts. Hopefully he hits on the "safe" picks in the late rounds better than Dorsey did.

[Easy 6]

My draft guide has this to say...

Pros - Speaks played all over the D line at Ol Miss, and he has the blend of size and movement skills to be used in a similar way in the NFL. Good mover for a 300 pounder who locates the ball quickly, and shows outstanding range when when chasing plays in pursuit. Seemingly has upside as a pass rusher, as he typically had no game plan and poor technique, but was still able to disrupt the backfield

Cons - Speaks is very raw. It often looks like he is stepping onto a football field for the first time from a technique standpoint. Shows little as far as hand use goes, gets too upright and often seems to be chasing plays as if he is a linebacker in space. While his football character isnt problematic, he has had multiple ejections, and an off field DUI in 2016

Summary - If he can grasp the technical aspects of the job, he has the upside to be a quality 3 down player as a 5 technique in an odd front, or on the interior, or as an edge setting end in a 4-3

Not too overwhelmed with this at the moment

While I have no problem with building from front to back, his profile isnt really screaming out to me... lotta mehs in there, but he does sound somewhat like a Jones clone with his potential versatility

[petegz28]

People are just way too reactionary on draft day

We were all wanting a DB, but we took a sleeper with the skill set to be a huge steal like Jones. It’s a surprise and a bit of a disappointment, but of course it wasn’t a bad pick.


I've been saying it all night. Yes, we need a DB but if you don't have a pass rush then no DB in the world is going to win you anything on defense.

[Best22]

He's listed as a "Defensive End" because Ole Miss played a 4-3 defense. He's an EDGE player and an OLB in our defense

We could trim him down and re-transition his weight

I think he's talented and can make an immediate impact, but I still feel it's a bit of a reach

[Chris Meck]

what I like is that it appears that they're setting up the three DL spots and two OLB spots as...anybody can literally line up anywhere at any time. You don't know who's where, who's coming, and who's not. I like the idea. Other than I doubt you'd see Houston inside, You could literally see anything else.

[Simplicity]

He the guy who recovered the fumble and was waving at the camera. Seem like he just love to play football and have fun like chris jones.

https://instagram.com/p/BiGADZQAqs0/

I remember watching this during the CFB season and died laughing. This makes the pick a little more easy to accept.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Andy watched every one of his games cause veach liked him so much

[BryanBusby]

Hey haters

https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT0xeH4IvSXwDAS8Mg/giphy.gif

[Easy 6]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said Speaks will mostly likely begin his career as a OLB rather than DE.</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/990024662628425729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Whoa, a 305 pound OLB sounds mighty big... Levon Kirkland 2.0?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

#Chiefs coach Andy Reid just said that Veach has "wore him out" with several players over the years...specifically naming LeSean McCoy, DeSean Jackson, Fletcher Cox, Chris Jones, and Patrick Mahomes.

Not a bad list...and Breeland Speaks is now on that list. - @ChiefsReporter

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Waited all this time for this shitty pick?

I mean, I guess it fills a need somewhat, so okay, but did you really have to trade up to get this JAG that would have been there at 54?

It’s like we wanted to just give away the pick we acquired in the Alex Smith trade . . . .


Dumb.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Andy compared him to Tamba, Suggs and Calvin Pace

[Dante84]

My draft guide has this to say...

Pros - Speaks played all over the D line at Ol Miss, and he has the blend of size and movement skills to be used in a similar way in the NFL. Good mover for a 300 pounder who locates the ball quickly, and shows outstanding range when when chasing plays in pursuit. Seemingly has upside as a pass rusher, as he typically had no game plan and poor technique, but was still able to disrupt the backfield

Cons - Speaks is very raw. It often looks like he is stepping onto a football field for the first time from a technique standpoint. Shows little as far as hand use goes, gets too upright and often seems to be chasing plays as if he is a linebacker in space. While his football character isnt problematic, he has had multiple ejections, and an off field DUI in 2016

Summary - If he can grasp the technical aspects of the job, he has the upside to be a quality 3 down player as a 5 technique in an odd front, or on the interior, or as an edge setting end in a 4-3

Not too overwhelmed with this at the moment

While I have no problem with building from front to back, his profile isnt really screaming out to me... lotta mehs in there, but he does sound somewhat like a Jones clone with his potential versatility

Can you imagine if he would have had an on-field DUI? Lord.

[TEX]

#Chiefs coach Andy Reid just said that Veach has "wore him out" with several players over the years...specifically naming LeSean McCoy, DeSean Jackson, Fletcher Cox, Chris Jones, and Patrick Mahomes.

Not a bad list...and Breeland Speaks is now on that list. - @ChiefsReporter

Except Speaks is not in that class. Not even close to it. He is JAG.

[petegz28]

Except Speaks is not in that class. Not even close to it.

You should have told Veach that.....he might not understand how to do this as well as some of you do.

[MahiMike]

Oh noes! A reach! Come back Dorsey!

[RunKC]

5th best interior pass rusher in CFB per PFF. Sounds like they plan on rotating him inside in subpackages and having him as a backup option at OLB.

[petegz28]

Can you imagine if he would have had an on-field DUI? Lord.

The tire tracks on the field alone........:eek:

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Except Speaks is not in that class. Not even close to it.

Based on fucking what? None of them had played a snap in the league when Veach was pumping them up to Reid.

[Mecca]

This is what you have right here, a guy who is most likely a strong side OLB in this scheme, so that means they are prepping for life without Houston or moving him to the other side...

I think immediately what it is, is a team that is completely doubling down that if Dee Ford is hurt Frank Zombo isn't on the field again.

I also think it has a lot to do with that nickel sub package they sit in 50% of the time, they seem to be trying to get dudes who are versatile enough to play in that package and not make running to easy.

Don't be surprised if a speedy LB is taken sometime today for that same reason.

[mlyonsd]

Bleh. Hope I'm wrong.

[CupidStunt]

Waited all this time for this shitty pick?

I mean, I guess it fills a need somewhat, so okay, but did you really have to trade up to get this JAG that would have been there at 54?

It’s like we wanted to just give away the pick we acquired in the Alex Smith trade . . . .


Dumb.

Except Speaks is not in that class. Not even close to it. He is JAG.

Pay attention, folks. We have some NFL scouts in the house with really fresh takes. I'd pay for more of this.

[Easy 6]

Can you imagine if he would have had an on-field DUI? Lord.

It would be like Toronto all over again!

[Mecca]

This is also a pick about value, if you wait you don't get a guy like this in this draft, there aren't many of these guys.

But for example a NT or a CB or S there's a lot of them.

[petegz28]

This is what you have right here, a guy who is most likely a strong side OLB in this scheme, so that means they are prepping for life without Houston or moving him to the other side...

I think immediately what it is, is a team that is completely doubling down that if Dee Ford is hurt Frank Zombo isn't on the field again.

I also think it has a lot to do with that nickel sub package they sit in 50% of the time, they seem to be trying to get dudes who are versatile enough to play in that package and not make running to easy.

Don't be surprised if a speedy LB is taken sometime today for that same reason.

I think it's most definitely a move to keep Zombo off the field at the least and I have a feeling Ford is not long for the NFL.

[petegz28]

It would be like Toronto all over again!

:facepalm:

ROFL

[Baby Lee]

KC's big draft splash!!

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[pugsnotdrugs19]

This is also a pick about value, if you wait you don't get a guy like this in this draft, there aren't many of these guys.

But for example a NT or a CB or S there's a lot of them.

Yeah, Veach mentions this a lot. Some positions have ‘pockets’ of depth. CB and S more so than the front 4.

[RunKC]

Guess I can’t complain. The Chiefs desperately needed help with their interior pass rush. He wasn’t who I wanted, but Veach deserves a shot.

I’m not a fan. Please prove me wrong

[Mecca]

The DL depth in this class is pretty ass, especially if you want edge guys who are versatile enough to do multiple things.

[Chiefs4TheWin]

The real question is how is his first step?

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Andy compared him to Tamba, Suggs and Calvin Pace

:rolleyes: :bong: :drool:

[staylor26]

Watching that Miss St. tape, he can definitely play on the edge

[Mecca]

Still hope this team adds Shaquem Griffin he'd basically he a badass nickel LB.

[kccrow]

The real question is how is his first step?

It's not on par with the one Reid uses to get to the buffet, but it's solid.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Pay attention, folks. We have some NFL scouts in the house with really fresh takes. I'd pay for more of this.

Your user name fits you well.

Nicely done. :thumb:

[staylor26]

Still hope this team adds Shaquem Griffin he'd basically he a badass nickel LB.

Griffin would be a great compliment to Speaks/Tanoh

[redshirt32]

I like the pick but not the trade. Time will tell D Ford plays piano..

[Easy 6]

Guess I can’t complain. The Chiefs desperately needed help with their interior pass rush. He wasn’t who I wanted, but Veach deserves a shot.

I’m not a fan. Please prove me wrong

That sums up my feelings pretty well

But if he can be slimmed down and turned into a monster sized OLB with attitude and crazy range... hey why not?

[Nickhead]

when breeland speaks, people listen :D

[Simply Red]

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[Mecca]

Griffin would be a great compliment to Speaks/Tanoh

He could also kick Sorenson out of that Nickel LB role and give you a faster guy with better blitzing skills and actual run defense.

[Simply Red]

I DO love he looks psychotic!

[staylor26]

One thing that can’t be said enough. Veach is looking for guys with an attitude and toughness.

Ragland, Hitchens, Speaks, and even Fuller/Amerson fit the bill

[kysirsoze]

This is also a pick about value, if you wait you don't get a guy like this in this draft, there aren't many of these guys.

But for example a NT or a CB or S there's a lot of them.

I think this is the entire reason for this pick.

[staylor26]

He could also kick Sorenson out of that Nickel LB role and give you a faster guy with better blitzing skills and actual run defense.

No doubt. I was thinking that too. He can line up next to Hitchens in subs and play on the edge when you slide those guys inside.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

I like the pick but not the trade. Time will tell D Ford plays piano..

THis.

The trade is what I had a problem with. He could have been had at 54.

[Simply Red]

We have to post this - every sack BS gets


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[staylor26]

THis.

The trade is what I had a problem with. He could have been had at 54.

There’s absolutely no way any of us know that and to think otherwise is silly.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

THis.

The trade is what I had a problem with. He could have been had at 54.

You literally have no idea if that’s true. It only takes one other team to want him before 54.

[petegz28]

Regardless of how sexy the skill positions are....this game is still won at the line. Our pass rush was fucking non-existent last season. If we did get a sack it was because the other team fucked up, not because we were good.

The best CB's in the league aren't covering guys for 7 or 8 seconds in this league on a consistent basis.

[petegz28]

THis.

The trade is what I had a problem with. He could have been had at 54.

You know this how? And really, WTF difference does it make? 44 v 54? Seems that's fishing for something to gripe about.

[TEX]

Pay attention, folks. We have some NFL scouts in the house with really fresh takes. I'd pay for more of this.

You're a dipshit. You owe me $100.

[Dante84]

THis.

The trade is what I had a problem with. He could have been had at 54.

You don't know that.

I think the guys who research this, for the sake of their careers, had a better read on the situation.

[Tribal Warfare]

Basing it off the Miss St. game, the kid does diagnose plays well in space with hustle hence the Tamba comparison.

Though the kid does get caught up in the wash at times of if he doesn't get the initial push at a sideline choke point.

From that video, he seems like a rotational player with versatility LB/DL

[petegz28]

Basing it off the Miss St. game, the kid does diagnose plays well in space with hustle hence the Tamba comparison.

Though the kid does get caught up in the wash at times of if he doesn't get the initial push at a sideline choke point.

From that video, he seems like a rotational player with versatility LB/DL

I saw a breakdown that said he has shit for technique. So what I take from that is, you are seeing raw talent and instinct. NFL Coaches will teach him the technique. He has very long arms for a man his size.

If he can get the edge or get a strong bull rush, I see a lot of tipped balls or grabbed arms coming which should lead to a lot of incomplete passes, picks and fumbles.

[TEX]

You know this how? And really, WTF difference does it make? 44 v 54? Seems that's fishing for something to gripe about.

ROFL Really??? You dont know the difference beteeen 44 and 54 - This expains a LOT.

This guy is likely there at 54 and KC gets to keep their 3rd. THAT is the difference. :shake:

[petegz28]

ROFL Really??? You dont know the difference beteeen 44 and 54 - This expains a LOT.

This guy is likely there at 54 and KC gets to keep their 3rd. THAT is the difference. :shake:

What's the difference? Explain it to us all. I want to know what insight you have that they didn't?

[Coach]

Watching that Miss St. tape, he can definitely play on the edge

Watch the LSU and A&M games as well. He was unblockable.

[Simply Red]

I saw a breakdown that said he has shit for technique. So what I take from that is, you are seeing raw talent and instinct. NFL Coaches will teach him the technique. He has very long arms for a man his size.

If he can get the edge or get a strong bull rush, I see a lot of tipped balls or grabbed arms coming which should lead to a lot of incomplete passes, picks and fumbles.

I see elements of Chris Jones - wonder if he's hung as nicely?

[CupidStunt]

You're a dipshit. You owe me $100.

$100 for your fresh draft takes?

Seems fair, honestly. What's your Bitcoin address, I'll send it over.

[petegz28]

I see elements of Chris Jones - wonder if he's hung as nicely?

I hear he is not as wide but has better stamina.....:)

[ChiefsCountry]

This guy is likely there at 54 and KC gets to keep their 3rd. THAT is the difference. :shake:

They kept a 3rd round pick, they just switched positions.

[Best22]

What's the difference? Explain it to us all. I want to know what insight you have that they didn't?

Here's the explanation

By trading up to 46 from 54, we were forced to trade our #78 pick in exchange for a #100 pick

So we now have 46, 86, and 100

Had we stayed put, it's possible Speaks is there at 54, then we would have 78 and 86.

Assuming Breeland would still be there at 54, the value would have been much higher for KC to stay put

[petegz28]

They kept a 3rd round pick, they just switched positions.

You ruined this for me...I was slow walking him to it.....thanks! :harumph:

[Simply Red]

I hear he is not as wide but has better stamina.....:)

ROFL`
`

[petegz28]

I'm not down on this pick, but here's the explanation

By trading up to 46 from 54, we were forced to trademark our #78 pick in exchange for a #100 pick

So we now have 46, 86, and 100

Had we stayed put, it's possible Speaks is there at 54, then we would have 78 and 86.

Assuming Breeland would still be there at 54, the value would have been much higher for KC to stay put

Assuming....that's the problem. We cannot assume. Do you really think Veach just decided to trade up just because he likes the colors of the Cinci uniforms?

[JohnnyV13]

ROFL Really??? You dont know the difference beteeen 44 and 54 - This expains a LOT.

This guy is likely there at 54 and KC gets to keep their 3rd. THAT is the difference. :shake:

Chiefs did get a high 4th back (pick 100). Edit: It's actually the LAST pick of the 3rd round, so they didn't lose a third round pick at all.

[Tribal Warfare]

Watch the LSU and A&M games as well. He was unblockable.

With what's presented, and the void of research (hype)

It's the best I can really examine .

I'm not pissed just blindsided, and wishfully optimistic.

[CupidStunt]

Assuming Breeland would still be there at 54, the value would have been much higher for KC to stay put

Yeah man. What really sucks though is that Pat Mahomes might've been on the board at 197 last year but we took him at 10.

FUCK

[KC Hawks]

wbf

[kccrow]

Veach obviously thought someone wanted Speaks before 54 or he wouldn't have made the deal. That's all that really matters. I'd suspect the team that really wanted him was the Chargers.

We got a good player folks... Not sure why everyone's panties are in a bunch. It wasn't a CB, but it didn't HAVE to be a CB... Fuck.

[RunKC]

This guy has never played 3-4 OLB before. He was a 4-3 DE like Tanoh.

Why do I have a bad feeling that this is Tanoh 2.0 and this motherfucker won’t play hardly at all this year?

[Best22]

Yeah man. What really sucks though is that Pat Mahomes might've been on the board at 197 last year but we took him at 10.

****

I was explaining draft picks to someone else

[petegz28]

Keep in mind we have been told that Sutton is going to more of a penetrating defense with the DL.

I for one will always take someone who can get into the backfield over someone who can cover downfield.

Again, a good pass rush makes an average secondary a good secondary.

A great secondary rarely covers for a shit pass rush.

[kccrow]

This guy has never played 3-4 OLB before. He was a 4-3 DE like Tanoh.

Why do I have a bad feeling that this is Tanoh 2.0 and this motherfucker won’t play hardly at all this year?

His movements are much more fluid than Tanoh's in my opinion.

[Tribal Warfare]

This guy has never played 3-4 OLB before. He was a 4-3 DE like Tanoh.

Why do I have a bad feeling that this is Tanoh 2.0 and this motherfucker won’t play hardly at all this year?

If you watch Miss St. video he does have experience as a stand up LB

[BryanBusby]

This guy has never played 3-4 OLB before. He was a 4-3 DE like Tanoh.

Why do I have a bad feeling that this is Tanoh 2.0 and this motherfucker won’t play hardly at all this year?
I don't think you've got a clue.

[O.city]

I have no idea about this guy, have been having cocktails playing g golf all day so I’m going with

It’s a good pick

[petegz28]

This kid will be fine once our coaches get a hold of him. He looks unpolished. He starts learning good technique and he is going to wreck some shit. It certainly looks like he has a knack for getting in the backfield and making plays.

[duncan_idaho]

This guy has never played 3-4 OLB before. He was a 4-3 DE like Tanoh.



Why do I have a bad feeling that this is Tanoh 2.0 and this motherfucker won’t play hardly at all this year?


Well, for starters... Speaks played SEC football. The highest level of college football... and Kpassagnon was at a FCS school. So he’s much more proven and less of a pure project.

I think you can do some interesting and unpredictable things if you have a guy big enough to play 43 DE but versatile enough to drop into space like a 34 OLB.

[BlackOp]

There was obviously another team that they suspected wanted him...this draft is about filling out the roster. They got Mahomes...with a year in the system.

Seems like none of the other teams rated the remaining CB very highly.

[Best22]

Well, for starters... Speaks played SEC football. The highest level of college football... and Kpassagnon was at a FCS school. So he’s much more proven and less of a pure project.

I think you can do some interesting and unpredictable things if you have a guy big enough to play 43 DE but versatile enough to drop into space like a 34 OLB.

Not only that, but Speaks has more experience playing EDGE than Tanoh did

[Coach]

Veach obviously thought someone wanted Speaks before 54 or he wouldn't have made the deal. That's all that really matters. I'd suspect the team that really wanted him was the Chargers.

We got a good player folks... Not sure why everyone's panties are in a bunch. It wasn't a CB, but it didn't HAVE to be a CB... Fuck.

I just wish most of them would think for a minute that Pittsburgh selected a 6th round talent, on their first round selection.

That was bad.

[petegz28]

I just wish most of them would think for a minute that Pittsburgh selected a 6th round talent, on their first round selection.

That was bad.

Only if he turns out to be a 6th round talent........

[Coach]

Only if he turns out to be a 6th round talent........

Time will tell, but I'm not optimistic that he's a 1st round talent.

[petegz28]

Time will tell, but I'm not optimistic that he's a 1st round talent.

Probably not, but was just saying.....

[MMXcalibur]

I'm going to assume this kid is a Hall of Famer so I can only be let down from here.
Good luck, Breeland!

[staylor26]

You guys need to watch that LSU tape. Look up Tyler Weathersby vs. Ole Miss.

That guy was flying all over the field and making hustle plays getting blown out in the 4th. Impressive.

Like I said, attitude and toughness. That’s what Veach wants on D.

[O.city]

Tanoh was a shitty pick in the 2nd round

[Dante84]

Take a look at this breakdown of Sparq + Production, and how he compares to Chris Jones coming out of college:

Current NFL Players, when they came out of college
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2018 Draft Class
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https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2018/4/10/17216118/finding-the-superior-athlete-impact-defensive-tackles-in-the-2018-nfl-draft

[staylor26]

Tanoh was a shitty pick in the 2nd round

Disagree and I think you’ll see that with time.

The guy flashed in that week 17 game and showed big improvement. He can bend the edge with all that size. You can’t teach that.

[CupidStunt]

It's hard to take some people seriously when they would've been happy with the pick being their local mailman if the commish announced him as a cornerback.

[petegz28]

If he really has the quickness we are seeing, 285 pounds means, or at least hopefully means, he isn't going to get shoved out of the play very easily

[tatorhog]

Whoa, a 305 pound OLB sounds mighty big... Levon Kirkland 2.0?

Adalius Thomas

[Sassy Squatch]

Hey haters

https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT0xeH4IvSXwDAS8Mg/giphy.gif
This alone makes him alright with me. That's ****ing awesome.

[petegz28]

This alone makes him alright with me. That's ****ing awesome.

ROFL

[O.city]

Disagree and I think you’ll see that with time.

The guy flashed in that week 17 game and showed big improvement. He can bend the edge with all that size. You can’t teach that.

Against shit team he was decent

That’s not big improvement. He was a big reach for a 2nd round pick

[RunKC]

I don't think you've got a clue.

Clearly you and this board do. Let’s fill everyone in on the Breeland Speaks talk before today:

**crickets**

Nobody talked about him.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Look at the way Reid smirked. Some other team was coming for him and they knew it.

[petegz28]

Against shit team he was decent

That’s not big improvement. He was a big reach for a 2nd round pick

Go back to the golf course....

[kccrow]

Clearly you and this board do. Let’s fill everyone in on the Breeland Speaks talk before today:

**crickets**

Nobody talked about him.

You've seen his name at least once because you responded in this thread:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=315030

So don't say nobody mentioned him.

[petegz28]

Clearly you and this board do. Let’s fill everyone in on the Breeland Speaks talk before today:

**crickets**

Nobody talked about him.

Well, gee, no one on CP talked about him. That means what?

[TambaBerry]

Well, gee, no one on CP talked about him. That means what?

dude do you enjoy being an ass?

[petegz28]

dude do you enjoy being an ass?

Can't say I don't if the mood hits me....

[O.city]

Tanoh was a huge project 2nd rounder everyone botched about and they just took another one

[RunKC]

Well, gee, no one on CP talked about him. That means what?

That posters (not you) getting high and mighty about him and acting like they automatically know a ton of shit about how awesome the dude is despite not talking saying this about the guy before he was a Chief.

So far Crow is the only one who has talked extensively about this kid.

Dude looks like a reach right now and based on past history, it looks like he won’t make too much of an impact like year 1 like a 1st rd pick would. Doesn’t mean he’s going to suck.

I’m with O.City on this one.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Tanoh was a huge project 2nd rounder everyone botched about and they just took another one

And?? None of us know jack shit. Look at all the busts over the year this place cried about missing out on.

[O.city]

Yep we’re all together

[O.city]

And?? None of us know jack shit. Look at all the busts over the year this place cried about missing out on.

And?

[Titty Meat]

Jesus O. Tanoh was a project everyone knew it gotta give him 2 more years before deciding that pick sucked.

[O.city]

Jesus O. Tanoh was a project everyone knew it gotta give him 2 more years before deciding that pick sucked.

3 years for a 2nd round pick is awful

Won’t onow if he’s decent or not til it’s a contract year

[staylor26]

3 years for a 2nd round pick is awful

Won’t onow if he’s decent or not til it’s a contract year

Umm is this year already over?

[O.city]

He just said you need 2 more years to decide whether the pick sucks

[Pasta Little Brioni]

And?

Cam Thomas and Jamon Meredith!

[staylor26]

He just said you need 2 more years to decide whether the pick sucks

I mised the “more” part, thought he just said 2 years.

[Coach]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@pff</a>, Breeland Speaks ranked fifth in pass rushing productivity out of all the interior defensive line prospects in 2017.</p>&mdash; Chiefs Central (@ChiefsCentral) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsCentral/status/990023630422671360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Tribal Warfare]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Someone (Breeland Speaks) was excited to become a Chief. <a href="https://t.co/iAjGOEA6E8">pic.twitter.com/iAjGOEA6E8</a></p>&mdash; Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride/status/990053647328280581?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[staylor26]

Jesus what kind of phone was that shitty video recorded on?

[ThaVirus]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said Speaks will mostly likely begin his career as a OLB rather than DE.</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/990024662628425729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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How? Dude is fat af.

[staylor26]

How? Dude is fat af.

Not really. He has really good change of direction for a guy his size and he’s pretty damn good in space.

[New World Order]

Our pass rush should be set then

Houston-Pretty good pass rusher

Jones-Pretty good pass rusher

Ford- Solid pass rusher

Speaks- Solid pass rusher

[staylor26]

Our pass rush should be set then

Houston-Pretty good pass rusher

Jones-Pretty good pass rusher

Ford- Solid pass rusher

Speaks- Solid pass rusher

Nnadi and Williams aren’t too shabby for NT’s either. Better pass rushers than Logan.

[Baby Lee]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Someone (Breeland Speaks) was excited to become a Chief. <a href="https://t.co/iAjGOEA6E8">pic.twitter.com/iAjGOEA6E8</a></p>&mdash; Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride/status/990053647328280581?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

From the University of Potatocamera?

[KChiefs1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Someone (Breeland Speaks) was excited to become a Chief. <a href="https://t.co/iAjGOEA6E8">pic.twitter.com/iAjGOEA6E8</a></p>— Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride/status/990053647328280581?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Probably didn’t think he would be drafted.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I don't know. Reid looks like he's smelling a honey baked ham and he just heard the oven go off. That makes me a bit more excited about this pick.

[Simply Red]

Our pass rush should be set then

Houston-Pretty good pass rusher

Jones-Pretty good pass rusher

Ford- Solid pass rusher

Speaks- Solid pass rusher

I'd imagine they'll still send Berry and Hitchens every so often - or they'll break loose. Man I can't wait.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Veach says rotation is Houston, Ford and Speaks while KPass develops

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I'd imagine they'll still send Berry and Hitchens every so often - or they'll break loose. Man I can't wait.

Don't sleep on Robo Zombo! We can rebuild him...

[Halfcan]

Reminds me of a taller version of Dwight Freeney.

[Simply Red]

Don't sleep on Robo Zombo! We can rebuild him...

you all know I like Zombo ok for depth.

[Halfcan]

Veach says rotation is Houston, Ford and Speaks while KPass develops

That KPass pick was horrible. :shake:

[KChiefs1]

Veach says rotation is Houston, Ford and Speaks while KPass develops


KPassa needs to be KeiVarae Russell’d.

[New World Order]

Our run d is legit

Our pass rush is legit

If the 2016 version of Amerson comes out to play this is looking like a pretty good defense.

It's definitely a hell of a lot better than last year.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Let’s see what Tanoh looks like before we start freaking out.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Our run d is legit

Our pass rush is legit

If the 2016 version of Amerson comes out to play this is looking like a pretty good defense.

I hope so but I’m not crowning this D yet. KC needs corner and safety help

[DaNewGuy]

Does he have a high motor ?

[Frosty]

Veach confirmed what Mecca said earlier - it's not a deep draft for pass rushers and they felt there was a really large drop-off after Speaks so they felt they needed to go up and get him. It sounded like corner and safety were on his mind but he thought there was depth there but not at pass rusher.

[Simply Red]

Veach confirmed what Mecca said earlier - it's not a deep draft for pass rushers and they felt there was a really large drop-off after Speaks so they felt they needed to go up and get him. It sounded like corner and safety were on his mind but he thought there was depth there but not at pass rusher.

yeah Mecca is fairly football smart. I like the guy, these days. He annoyed me back 8 or 9 yrs ago - It's okay - i'm sure I did/do him, as well. Shifting gears - I still think they'll maneuver Ware for secondary help trade in free agency. I hate it - but I believe it'll happen.

[staylor26]

Watch the LSU and A&M games as well. He was unblockable.

I can’t find the A&M game do you have a link?

[Dante84]

He plays pretty violent and relentless

[Tribal Warfare]

He'll slim down to 250-260lbs like Tamba did during the scheme switch to the 3-4

[Willie Lanier]

KPassa needs to be KeiVarae Russell’d.

:rolleyes:

[mcaj22]

Veach says rotation is Houston, Ford and Speaks while KPass develops

2nd round pick that's still a project in year 2 with no 5th year option for control..... LOL just cut him.

[kccrow]

KPassa needs to be KeiVarae Russell’d.

It's certainly not a ringing endorsement when your GM says that the new 2nd round pick will be in the rotation and that last year's 2nd round pick will continue to develop. You shouldn't be developing 2nd round players to just see the field 2 years in.

[New World Order]

I just hope Kpass can at least rush the passer on third down. From what we saw against Denver last season, I'm guessing he can do so.

[kccrow]

Personally, I never really understood the attempt to make Kpass an OLB. Get the guy up to 320 and let him go at DE. Use that length to his advantage rather than asking him to be agiler than he is.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

If anything, this solidifies the type of GM Veach will be. As you can tell from the Reid video, Veach let it be known he really likes the dude and wanted to make sure he got him. Maybe his vex going forward will be he’s willing to go above market price to get his guy, that seems consistent with the trades he’s made as well.

He has an extensive list of “hits” so I’m more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with this class. Hell, it sounds like K Pass probably was a Dorsey guy and Veach didn’t feel good about him being the “project”. I’m fine with investing in pass rush, especially with Ford being a complete wildcard at this point, I just don’t think we were in any danger of missing out on him at 54.

[Danguardace]

Reminds me of Suggs

[Chargem]

I like the pick. Comments from scouts like "lack of technique" are basically worthless when he was very effective at creating pressure on the edge in the SEC (as already mentioned, PFF graded him 5th). Imagine how much pressure he would get if he had 'technique' ROFL

I'm not sure about the move up, Veach said they felt there was a big drop off after this guy but I think there were still some very solid edge guys available at 54 even if Speaks went before, even if they were for some reason locked in on an edge guy.

The comments also don't make the Tanoh situation sound great, they had already mentioned Tanoh kicking inside on pass rush downs so maybe he's got that as a specialist role plus special teams plus depth for the inevitable Houston or Ford injury. It's not great but it does make me think he shouldn't have been taken in the 2nd.

[ForeverChiefs58]

"There were some issues early in my football career in college," Speaks said. "I had a DUI in my past, and I just tried to clear my name, be open with them and make sure everybody knows I'm a guy who has made mistakes, but learned from it and is moving forward, not backwards."

Veach wasn't shy about letting Reid know that he believed in this player —as he has with past players like Desean Jackson, Fletcher Cox, LeSean McCoy, Patrick Mahomes and Chris Jones.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article210034379.html#storylink=cpy

[redfan]

The more I see, the more I like. Kiid's got the quicks to come off the edge.

[NIUhuskies]

Looks like Speaks was a MLB and TE in high school. His highlight reel is below. Looks super slow in the video but hits like a train

https://www.hudl.com/embed/athlete/1393171/highlights/39842409?autoplay=true

Above was junior year. However, this senior year highlight reel...dear lord. Guy looks like an animal playing with a bunch of little kids


https://youtu.be/ZLC5-FIZezI


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[Rausch]

Personally, I never really understood the attempt to make Kpass an OLB. Get the guy up to 320 and let him go at DE. Use that length to his advantage rather than asking him to be agiler than he is.

Personally I don't think they know what they want to do with him at this point.

In round 2 I was hoping we'd stand pat and take Ronnie Harrison. When he fell to the 3rd I thought "well, perhaps I don't know shit about this guy."

Then the Jags took him (who know a thing or two about drafting a good secondary, making me feel both better and worse) and likely became the new Ravens...

[NIUhuskies]

Lot of Mississippi St fans giving Chris Jones shit on twitter for being happy about the pick. Saying Speaks is dirty, looks like he broke a MSU guy’s ankle pretty bad. Pics and the commentary in link

https://twitter.com/stonecoldjones_/status/990021720202514433?s=21

https://twitter.com/thekang9103/status/990056371725926400?s=21

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[TambaBerry]

Lot of Mississippi St fans giving Chris Jones shit on twitter for being happy about the pick. Saying Speaks is dirty, looks like he broke a MSU guy’s ankle pretty bad. Pics and the commentary in link

https://twitter.com/stonecoldjones_/status/990021720202514433?s=21

https://twitter.com/thekang9103/status/990056371725926400?s=21

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Remember when Flowers disrespected Oakland in Oakland, I'll take that all day

[Chiefs=Champions]

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this is the mentioned LSU game. He was DOMINANT in this game.

[Best22]

The goal for this draft was to get tougher and meaner in the front 7. A poor run defense prevented us from an AFCCG appearance on 2016. Then Veach and Reid saw KC get pushed around by Tennessee, in Arrowhead, in the playoffs, and said "Never Again."

Speaks is a backup OLB. He will play, and be an important defensive piece. He is already better than old man Hali, and is a much tougher and more physical player than Zombo. Speaks is a big tough guy who isn't gonna get knocked on his ***. Same thing can't be said for Hali or Zombo last year

[Ebolapox]

Let’s see what Tanoh looks like before we start freaking out.

Are we all forgetting his beasting against the Broncos week 17? 2 sacks 3 tfl. He can be solid to good given a chance

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Are we all forgetting his beasting against the Broncos week 17? 2 sacks 3 tfl. He can be solid to good given a chance

...against their starters. Oh, and they still have the same shitty line this year :)

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I wish there were more game films available. The game vs. MSU in the OP leaves me pretty curious as to what Veach saw in Speaks... seems like he did next to nothing as a pass rusher.

[Rausch]

The goal for this draft was to get tougher and meaner in the front 7. A poor run defense prevented us from an AFCCG appearance on 2016. Then Veach and Reid saw KC get pushed around by Tennessee, in Arrowhead, in the playoffs, and said "Never Again."


That was definitely true and it's nice to see us try to course correct on draft day.

I guess I should have saw it coming but didn't. I was looking at CB/S and Veach was thinking "if we're a bunch of soft pussies up front it doesn't matter who's covering."

If I noticed anything it looked like Veach thought "I saw what Dorsey did and I don't agree..."

[Chiefs=Champions]

I wish there were more game films available. The game vs. MSU in the OP leaves me pretty curious as to what Veach saw in Speaks... seems like he did next to nothing as a pass rusher.

Watch him against lsu above. A couple of sacks and completely disruptive

[sedated]

Some of you people are so mind-numbingly stupid I can't even comprehend how you can figure out how to post.

We've made ONE pick. "We still need a corner" ... "our cornerback room still sucks" ... news flash: you can't fix your entire ****ing team with 1 draft pick, and here's a bonus tip for you - drafting for need is what the Cleveland Browns do. Go be a Browns fan. Have fun with that.

:bravo:

[staylor26]

Watch him against lsu above. A couple of sacks and completely disruptive

This A&M game is good one too if anybody wants to embed:

https://youtu.be/IMFXPFAH_PY

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[Halfcan]

He plays pretty violent and relentless

Definitely, this D has not had that Nasty attitude since the 90's. It is about time to build this Defense up to its former glory to stir the Arrowhead crowd up into a frenzy.

Maybe this might free up Houston from so many double teams as well?

[oldman]

I don't see this pick so much as a threat to Kpass, but an upgrade over Zombo and Nicholas. In addition, Ford is in a contract year. I'm not wild about paying a guy with a history of back problems a boatload of cash this year, let alone next year.

[Best22]

I don't see this pick so much as a threat to Kpass, but an upgrade over Zombo and Nicholas. In addition, Ford is in a contract year. I'm not wild about paying a guy with a history of back problems a boatload of cash this year, let alone next year.

Veach said the rotation would be Houston, Ford, and Speaks. It's clear they view Speaks as an upgrade over Kpass, as do I

[KChiefs1]

Veach said the rotation would be Houston, Ford, and Speaks. It's clear they view Speaks as an upgrade over Kpass, as do I



KPass experiment is over.
Wasted 2nd round pick.



Meet the Chiefs draft pick: Breeland Speaks Review

It’s that wonderful time of the year again. Where we can close our eyes and dream dreams of guys fulfilling their potential to the fullest. Where we can let our imaginations soar and wonder what it would look like if a prospect’s best traits were emphasized and greatest weaknesses... well, vanished.

Yep, it’s draft week. And the Chiefs traded up in the second round to select... something called a Breeland Speaks.


Now, the fact that I have no idea who Breeland Speaks is should in no way discourage you. I had no idea who Chris Jones was either. Same with Kareem Hunt. That’s just who I am when it comes to the draft. I don’t pay much attention to college football (if I tried, given the time I spend doing what I currently do for you fine fine folk, Mrs. MNchiefsfan would likely hobble me “Misery” style), and even leading up to the draft I rarely know who anyone is outside of the fine work our own contributors do.

The great thing about that? I can watch a prospect’s film with completely “clean” eyes, without any Kiper or Mayock or whomever else’s thoughts creating bias in any direction. And so, to the film I went to take a look at Breeland Speaks, who (according to Andy Reid) is going to get a shot on the edge and move inside at times as well.

First things first, Breeland is...

(squints)

6’3 and 283 pounds? And they want this dude on the edge? O........K........ Apparently the Chiefs are really all on on this “giant edge” movement. But whatever.

Anyways, about the film. I reviewed about 6-7 games of Breeland, against teams ranging from LSU to Alabama to Mississippi State. The good thing is that there’s plenty of film against him playing high level competition. So that’s something.

The bad thing is that Ole Miss’s coaches used Breeland in really, really odd ways.


Ole Miss had Speaks on the edge, on the interior, off the ball... you name it, he did it. It was really bizarre to watch, because while Speaks is a good athlete at his size, he’s not a complete freak like Justin Houston. And I don’t even want Houston lining up off the ball. It was as though Ole Miss wanted to design their defense around Speaks but didn’t quite know how to make that happen, in all honesty (the truth is undoubtedly much more complicated, but it’s draft season, the time for black-and-white explanations).

The upside of seeing Speaks all over the place is I got a pretty good feel for what his strengths and weaknesses are. Let’s start with the strengths, move to the weaknesses, then try to figure out what he might contribute in 2018 and beyond.

The primary strength I see from Speaks is, um, strength (beautiful language, no?).


Speaks plays with a sort of easy upper-body strength that reminds me of (remember: this is NOT to compare them as overall players) Justin Houston. He’s quite similar in that any time he’s able to reduce an offensive lineman to half a man, he’s capable of simply running right through said lineman at that point.

This allows Speaks to bust through multiple blockers at times, and he’s definitely capable of making guys pay when they don’t mind their footwork. If you don’t stay in front of Speaks, he’s liable to go over you and harass your quarterback. That’s a good thing from the Chiefs’ perspective.

That strength displays itself often in Speaks’ ability to shed blockers, often able to win the handfighting contest just by outmuscling guys and moving them to the side. Again, it’s somewhat similar to what you’ll see from Houston (though Houston’s hand placement is significantly more refined). This is true both as a pass rusher and a run defender.


Speaks has a way of getting free of blockers, and doing so with some efficiency. This is in spite of the fact that I don’t find him to be a particularly technical player. For the most part I found his pass rush moves to be relatively limited and, again, his hand usage against the run wasn’t always impressive. But he was still able to shed with some frequency.

Speaks is also able to combine that strength he possesses with decent athleticism. I watched a great deal of him before I could decide how I felt about him as an athlete, and I landed right where I started: he’s a good athlete for a big guy, but not a great one. He does, however, possess solid balance. Combined with his athleticism, that leads to him rarely being caught off his feet, which is less common than you might imagine.


Because of his great strength, Speaks is able to leverage himself into situations where offensive linemen have to over-commit themselves to not be run over. Because of his above-average athleticism, he’s able to take advantage of those mistakes. This is where you see some really nice snaps from him.


Here, you can see the offensive lineman going after Speaks commit the cardinal sin of getting off-balance, in all likelihood the result of trying to muscle a guy he knows is strong. Speaks sees him coming and deftly steps aside, throwing in a “you go that way” swim for good measure. It allows him to immediately close on the runner, and this play is dead in the water before it can even begin to threaten the defense.

It happens as a pass rusher as well.


Here, you see Speaks has managed to get the lineman close to half a man, which is a situation Speaks consistently wins due to his strength. The lineman attempts to compensate by getting his feet back in front of Speaks, which is probably the right call.

However, Speaks is able to “feel” the shift and spins out of it, creating instant pressure. The RB wasn’t expecting it and doesn’t recover in time to get in front of Speaks, so the quarterback is forced to bail out right rather than go through his reads. The play ends in a sack, and even though it won’t show up in the box score as Speaks’ stat, he was instrumental in what happened.

The bottom line with Speaks as a pass rusher is that when he gets stuff right from a technical standpoint (which isn’t altogether rare like it is with a more raw prospect), good things happen due to his superior strength and solid athleticism. And the result, when it comes together, looks quite tantalizing.


You can absolutely see why Veach would be interested in Speaks as a pass rusher, given the weakness the Chiefs had in that area. He’s strong, pretty fast, can win quickly with hands that (as Kent Swenson said when we were chatting about him) are best characterized as “violent,” and plays with a sizable chip on his shoulder. That’s something the pass rush could use opposite Houston,

Actually, it’s something the pass rush could use next to Chris Jones. In fact, I prefer Speaks on the inside when rushing based off what I’ve seen.


When Speaks lined up on the inside his athletic advantage increased, and he still seemed more than capable of muscling blockers. My hope is that Reid’s comments regarding Speaks moving inside at times weren’t just lip service, and that the actual plan moving forward is to get him out there with Houston/Jones/Ford (or Tanoh).

I’ve covered the positives of Speaks as a run defender in short, but it’s worth stating that he’s often able to hold up at the point of attack against individual blockers, as well as shed them quickly when it’s time to attack the ball carrier.


Overall, Speaks is a guy who can help against the run, and opponents of Ole Miss seemed to recognize it. They spent quite a bit of time running away from where Speaks was or sending double teams his way. Given the sensitivity Chiefs fans have to poor run defense on the edge, that would be a welcome sight.

All right, we’ve talked about the good, but the bad needs to be referenced. Because it’s absolutely there.


(quick note: I had someone tell me that by having more positive gifs than negative gifs, I make a statement about how good/bad the player is. Don’t overthink this stuff: good gifs are more fun, so there are more of them. The meat is the analysis, not the clips meant to provide examples of said analysis. Glad we could talk this through)

Speaks was not dominant as a pass rusher at any point when I watched him. Sure, he was good. But he wasn’t great, and at times he struggled with consistency. There were far too many snaps where Speaks couldn’t beat a single blocker for my taste. For me, that’s concerning if you’re hoping a guy will be highly productive as a rusher at the next level. In general, guys don’t get better or more consistent rushing the passer once they’re facing NFL-level talent every week.

I didn’t often feel like Speaks was pass rushing with a plan. By that, I mean the idea of having a move and a countermove figured out in advance, based on what the opposing lineman was doing (as well as down, distance, formation, previous moves used in that game, and all kinds of other stuff). The best pass rushers in the league set linemen up multiple times. I asked Geoff Schwartz what made Dwight Freeney’s spin so unstoppable, and he said it was because it was used in conjunction with a terrifying first step. Freeney never used the spin right away. He waited until you were comfortable compensating for that speed rush and then... he had you and the QB was on the ground.

That doesn’t seem to be the case with Speaks. Now, obviously I can’t know without asking him... but when I watch Speaks rush, he appears to be consistently attempting to win the handfighting battle with strength. That’s it the vast majority of the time. While he at times shows a rip, a swim, a club, and even some spins, in general he’s often just out there attempting to overpower his opponent. When that doesn’t work, you end up with clips like the one above, or like this one.


Speaks attempts to gain the edge, and the blocker moves quickly to cut him off. Speaks then tries to counter with a club move, which is a great start in terms of having a series of moves prepared. However, when that doesn’t get the blocker off-balance, Speaks follows it up with... well, virtually nothing. Some pushing and movement, but nothing of real substance.

A pass rusher at the next level needs to be thinking multiple steps down the road with each rush. If option A doesn’t work because the lineman uses Counter B, what is move C? For each action, there’s an equal and opposite reaction (what a great quote, someone should use it sometime for physics or something useful). You can’t just expect to win with your athletic gifts. The linemen in the NFL are too big, too strong, too fast, and too technically proficient. So if Speaks wants to be anything more than a pass rusher who has inconsistent flashes, he’s going to have to start rushing with a plan.

And additional issue for Speaks is that I’m not sure he’s got the requisite hip/ankle flexibility to bend around the edge efficiently. We’ve talked about bend here before, repeatedly: it’s simply the ability of a rusher (usually an edge rusher) to drop his shoulders underneath an offensive lineman’s block and shorten his route to the quarterback by bending at an angle and “cornering” towards the QB. Think of Derrick Thomas screaming around the edge practically horizontal. I didn’t see enough of Speaks doing anything approaching this to be comfortable in his ability here. In the NFL, it’s almost impossible to be a consistently effective edge rusher without bend. You get pushed wide around the QB every time.

Another issue I’m concerned about with Speaks is his strength at the point of attack. While I referenced it earlier as something he does well, his consistency isn’t always there. He definitely has strong hands and upper body strength, but he can be moved by individual blockers more often than I’d like. Additionally, double teams absolutely roll him.


Now to be fair, most guys lose to double teams if they aren’t over 300 pounds, but Speaks frequently got absolutely annihilated by them.

This isn’t a fatal flaw, but it does expose a weakness on tape for teams to exploit if Speaks doesn’t learn to more effectively anchor himself and at least make the double teaming linemen earn it a bit more. And it’s indicative of the bigger problem: Speaks is, at times, just a little too easy for offensive linemen to wall off or move aside in the run game. Yes, he’s better than a lot of college linemen I watch (at least against individual OL). However, he loses enough that I wonder what it’ll look like at the next level, where his natural strength advantage won’t be nearly as significant.

Additionally, with regards to run defense, Speaks does not locate the ball as quickly as I’d like. He often drops his eyes and seems caught up in his individual battle with the offensive lineman. The problem with this is that even when you “win,” you lose (What Man Can’t Jump references are the best references), because the runner will likely sprint by you as you frantically twist around searching for him. Good run defenders consistently have their eyes up, even as they engage their blocker or attack their gap.

Overall, I’m unsure what to think of Speaks at this point. He looked solid regardless of the competition, but he never dominated to the point that I would like to see when the team trades up for a guy in the second round. The tools are there, and he’s certainly nowhere near as raw as Tanoh was last year (coming from a much higher level of competition will do that), but there are some questions here for me.

As always, I’ll wait to see how the season plays out. But for now, I’m cautiously optimistic that Speaks will help at times in 2018, but doubtful that the impact will be significant on a consistent basis. I’m guessing he ends up getting a fair amount of playing time and has a few nice games, but overall is what the kids would call “whelming,” at least for next year.

On the other hand, it would shock me if he came in and won a starting job outright. Because again, the tools are there. We’ll just have to see how far they can be unlocked

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I’ve watched a couple of Speak’s games now and I’m still struggling to see whatever it is that Veach and his scouts did. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt because history says that when Veach is all in on a guy, it works out. But I really don’t feel great about this one right now.

[Buckweath]

People need to understand that you can't hit on every 2nd round pick. The Chiefs hit on Jones and did well with Morse. It would only be normal that they missed on Kpassagnon, who was a low 2nd round pick.

It was always said that he was a project he should be given two more years to prove his worth.

Some fans are so impatient. Look at a guy like Derrick Johnson, a 1st round pick, the guy was JAG until a few years into the league and he went on to have a great career.

[O.city]

It’s aboutvalue though. With Kpass if you have to wait 3 years before he does anything, it’s 3 years of cheap labor gone

[ct]

This guy has never played 3-4 OLB before. He was a 4-3 DE like Tanoh.

Why do I have a bad feeling that this is Tanoh 2.0 and this mother****er won’t play hardly at all this year?

so was houston, and tamba, and ford too

[KChiefs1]

People need to understand that you can't hit on every 2nd round pick. The Chiefs hit on Jones and did well with Morse. It would only be normal that they missed on Kpassagnon, who was a low 2nd round pick.



It was always said that he was a project he should be given two more years to prove his worth.



Some fans are so impatient. Look at a guy like Derrick Johnson, a 1st round pick, the guy was JAG until a few years into the league and he went on to have a great career.



Carl Lawson would have been a nice pick instead.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

OH YES...analysis from a guy that "never heard" of a high end prospect ROFL

[Chris Meck]

The goal for this draft was to get tougher and meaner in the front 7. A poor run defense prevented us from an AFCCG appearance on 2016. Then Veach and Reid saw KC get pushed around by Tennessee, in Arrowhead, in the playoffs, and said "Never Again."

Speaks is a backup OLB. He will play, and be an important defensive piece. He is already better than old man Hali, and is a much tougher and more physical player than Zombo. Speaks is a big tough guy who isn't gonna get knocked on his ***. Same thing can't be said for Hali or Zombo last year

well, I would say a ROTATIONAL OLB. And on passing downs will be a ROTATIONAL DE/OLB.

I think a part of our problem in recent years has been not only that we've not been a super physical-in-the-trenches-team but also that guys wear down. So Having good depth a nasty streak is crucial to being fresh in the fourth quarter. He'll play, he'll play a lot; whether he opens the game on the first possession or not doesn't matter.

[Chris Meck]

Definitely, this D has not had that Nasty attitude since the 90's. It is about time to build this Defense up to its former glory to stir the Arrowhead crowd up into a frenzy.

Maybe this might free up Houston from so many double teams as well?

Should. And Dorian O'Daniel should mean he won't have to be in coverage as much.

[Bob Dole]

KPass experiment is over.
Wasted 2nd round pick.

You're special.

Pretty sure nobody is going to give up after one season.

[Halfcan]

Should. And Dorian O'Daniel should mean he won't have to be in coverage as much.

If it is a passing down- Houston should be rushing the QB- Period. Hopefully, Sutton will get a clue, you don't send your best pass rusher in coverage on 3 and fucking long!! That is when you turn up the heat. :#

[petegz28]

If it is a passing down- Houston should be rushing the QB- Period. Hopefully, Sutton will get a clue, you don't send your best pass rusher in coverage on 3 and ****ing long!! That is when you turn up the heat. :#

That drove me fucking crazy this season. Ever since the playoff game against the Steelers. Dropping Houston into coverage, especially on 3rd & long. I might be able to see doing it on 3rd & Under 3 or 4 to take away a quick hitch or slant. But 3rd & 4 or more he needs to be rushing.

[ct]

Personally, I never really understood the attempt to make Kpass an OLB. Get the guy up to 320 and let him go at DE. Use that length to his advantage rather than asking him to be agiler than he is.

agree 100%

[-King-]

If it is a passing down- Houston should be rushing the QB- Period. Hopefully, Sutton will get a clue, you don't send your best pass rusher in coverage on 3 and fucking long!! That is when you turn up the heat. :#
Houston was wasn't that great rushing the passer last year. If he's not going to get to the QB, putting him in zone coverage isn't a bad idea.
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[Halfcan]

Houston was wasn't that great rushing the passer last year. If he's not going to get to the QB, putting him in zone coverage isn't a bad idea.
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9.5 sacks is not a bad year- especially as much as he dropped back in coverage. We had shit for pass rush on the other side and Sutton only rushed 4 guys a lot, letting teams double Houston.

I expect he will have a much better year- that is if Sutton pulls his head out of his own ass and starts putting some pressure on QBS this year.

[Tribal Warfare]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3000000929551/Instant-Draft-Grade-Breeland-Speaks-B

[aturnis]

I thought the same but the athleticism of players today is not like it used to be.Tamba made the switch from 275 to around 265 I thought. In the last few years he was playing at 275 and reported in 2014 at 285. I'm sure they'll have Breeland slim it down as much as his frame will allow.

[Chris Meck]

If it is a passing down- Houston should be rushing the QB- Period. Hopefully, Sutton will get a clue, you don't send your best pass rusher in coverage on 3 and ****ing long!! That is when you turn up the heat. :#

I think it was more about-nobody else could cover worth a fuck.

[Danguardace]

You could have a package with Speak and Jones in the Middle with Ford and Houston on the edge.

[kccrow]

I’ve watched a couple of Speak’s games now and I’m still struggling to see whatever it is that Veach and his scouts did. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt because history says that when Veach is all in on a guy, it works out. But I really don’t feel great about this one right now.

I really like Speaks, so don't get me wrong when I say this...

I think Veach was full of shit when he talked about the reason for moving up to get him.

There were several highly touted edge rushers on the board at the time that pick was made, including:

Sam Hubbard, Ohio State
Rasheem Green, USC
Tyquan Lewis, Ohio State
Lorenzo Carter, Georgia
Kemoko Turay, Rutgers
Josh Sweat, Florida State
Arden Key, LSU

So I think this move was a lot less about the "talent pocket," because he's a fucking liar by saying it didn't exist after Speaks, and alot more about him preferring Speaks and being worried that the Chargers were going to take him. In the end, the Chargers took a much different type of edge player in Nwosu.

I'm fine with the pick. In fact, I really like the pick. I just don't like the excuses for the move up.

[NIUhuskies]

I really like Speaks, so don't get me wrong when I say this...



I think Veach was full of shit when he talked about the reason for moving up to get him.



There were several highly touted edge rushers on the board at the time that pick was made, including:



Sam Hubbard, Ohio State

Rasheem Green, USC

Tyquan Lewis, Ohio State

Lorenzo Carter, Georgia

Kemoko Turay, Rutgers

Josh Sweat, Florida State

Arden Key, LSU



So I think this move was a lot less about the "talent pocket," because he's a fucking liar by saying it didn't exist after Speaks, and alot more about him preferring Speaks and being worried that the Chargers were going to take him. In the end, the Chargers took a much different type of edge player in Nwosu.



I'm fine with the pick. In fact, I really like the pick. I just don't like the excuses for the move up.



I’m fine with it too. Speaks was the guy they wanted and they didn’t want to risk losing him. I trust Veach when it comes to his intel and sense when other teams are after the guy he wants.

Hell, I thought moving up to 10 was too high last year for Mahomes. Nobody knew the Saints were going to pick him at 11 until Payton came out and said it a few weeks ago. I thought the Eagles took Fletcher Cox too high as well but they nailed that pick when Veach was there. Veach is smart, lets see what happens. His track record speaks for itself


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[pugsnotdrugs19]

Re: to crow—what if they really liked Speaks that much more than the rest though? I assume its a legit possibility.

Maybe Veach sees a guy who was able to produce and make some plays even despite using limited technique and feels like they can coach him into a great pass rusher. I’d hope that’s the case anyways because more often than not it looks like Speaks was just trying to overpower linemen, and he didn’t flash too many moves either.

[kccrow]

I’m fine with it too. Speaks was the guy they wanted and they didn’t want to risk losing him. I trust Veach when it comes to his intel and sense when other teams are after the guy he wants.

Hell, I thought moving up to 10 was too high last year for Mahomes. Nobody knew the Saints were going to pick him at 11 until Payton came out and said it a few weeks ago. I thought the Eagles took Fletcher Cox too high as well but they nailed that pick when Veach was there. Veach is smart, lets see what happens. His track record speaks for itself


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Re: to crow—what if they really liked Speaks that much more than the rest though? I assume its a legit possibility.

Maybe Veach sees a guy who was able to produce and make some plays even despite using limited technique and feels like they can coach him into a great pass rusher. I’d hope that’s the case anyways because more often than not it looks like Speaks was just trying to overpower linemen, and he didn’t flash too many moves either.

Exactly. This is why I think they moved up. I don't think it was because Speaks was the last of a pocket of players that Veach described.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Exactly. This is why I think they moved up. I don't think it was because Speaks was the last of a pocket of players that Veach described.

One thing that has made this pick particularly tough to judge is it’s really hard to find game film on the guy. There’s only a few out there on YouTube and maybe 1-2 from 2017.

Supposedly he dominated the last 6 or 7 games this year.

[staylor26]

One thing that has made this pick particularly tough to judge is it’s really hard to find game film on the guy. There’s only a few out there on YouTube and maybe 1-2 from 2017.

Supposedly he dominated the last 6 or 7 games this year.

6 sacks in the last 6 games

[kccrow]

One thing that has made this pick particularly tough to judge is it’s really hard to find game film on the guy. There’s only a few out there on YouTube and maybe 1-2 from 2017.

Supposedly he dominated the last 6 or 7 games this year.

There was alot more videos up before the draft. Hmm, they must have pulled them down for some reason.

[MahiMike]

It's hard to find guys this big and strong that play every down. I'm sure Veach reached a little here but it's more important to get the guy you want than what you pay for him.