*****The Kahlil Mackenzie Thread*****

[Dante84]

More to come....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“He can react very quickly. Great instincts.” <br><br>Watch GM Brett Veach break down film of our 2018 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsDraft</a> picks. <a href="https://t.co/MCkclFaO4n">pic.twitter.com/MCkclFaO4n</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/997280703057281024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[RealSNR]

Is this guy a fucking OG or DT?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

This might be the worst 6th rounder in some time

[Monkey God]

Is this guy a ****ing OG or DT?
Maybe he's Szott 2.0. DT that moved to OG?

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Oakland GM's son?

I believe he was once a monster recruit. Know nothing of how he played in college.

[Easy 6]

Rich kid, makes me wonder how bad he really wants it...

[kccrow]

Rich kid, makes me wonder how bad he really wants it...

He doesn't, that's the problem. He sucks ass.

[Sure-Oz]

@ChiefsReporter: Important to note that the #Chiefs' latest draft pick, Kahlil McKenzie, was drafted to play along the offensive line. He's going to play guard. Played DL at Tennessee.

He's also the son of #Raiders' GM Reggie McKenzie.

[SAGA45]

Doesn't even have a grade or a profile on nfl.com. Says he "likely needs time in a developmental league"

[Pasta Little Brioni]

ROFL

[ChiefsCountry]

Doesn't even have a grade or a profile on nfl.com. Says he "likely needs time in a developmental league"

That's because the intern running it doesn't know what is going on.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kahlil-mckenzie?id=32462018-0002-5602-26f0-b52082e52bcb

[Bwana]

Imagine being the NFL general manager who glances at his board at a certain point during the draft and seeing the name of his son.

This scenario could be reality for Oakland GM Reggie McKenzie. His son, Kahlil, a former linebacker at Tennessee, is projected as a Day 3 pick in the draft, which would be Saturday.

Would you draft your son?

“Absolutely,” McKenzie told USA TODAY Sports. “If it falls the way to where it fits us, where he’s the best player at this position vs. that position, I’d do it. He’s on my board.”

McKenzie has broken down the videotape and assigned grades to thousands of players while becoming established as one of the NFL’s best talent evaluators, but none of the cases have been quite like this. Not when you’ve been Kahlil’s biggest supporter at every step, essentially an extended coach.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/bell/2018/04/27/one-general-managers-dilemma-would-you-pick-your-son-nfl-draft/558863002/

[jjchieffan]

So he's a DT that we plan to convert to a guard? Is that true or is that just speculation? Was it Brian Waters that started out as a DT and made a good guard? I guess that it's not unheard of, but if you want a guard, why not draft a guard?

[FloridaMan88]

Trading to draft a project who the Chiefs are apparently planning to switch from defensive line to offensive line.

Even as a 6th round pick that is a reach.

[Easy 6]

He doesn't, that's the problem. He sucks ass.

@ChiefsReporter: Important to note that the #Chiefs' latest draft pick, Kahlil McKenzie, was drafted to play along the offensive line. He's going to play guard. Played DL at Tennessee.

He's also the son of #Raiders' GM Reggie McKenzie.

What a weird project this is, 4 year D line player transitioning to guard in the pros?

Easily our biggest WTF pick, Veach is pulling some Dr Strange shit with this one...

[Chargem]

That's because the intern running it doesn't know what is going on.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kahlil-mckenzie?id=32462018-0002-5602-26f0-b52082e52bcb

Strength number 1 "Comes from impressive blood lines" literally sounds like talking about a race horse

[New World Order]

We moved up to draft a guy who played DL then we plan to use him as an offensive guard?

Any team done that before?

[Chief Northman]

What a fucking joke. Veach embarrased the franchise here.

[New World Order]

Strength number 1 "Comes from impressive blood lines" literally sounds like talking about a race horse

LMAO

[RealSNR]

Will Svitek was a DT we converted to OT. Cut him, and then the Falcons turned him into a pretty good starter.

Brian Waters entered the league as a TE.

It's happened before. But this tub of lard has shown nothing to say that he can do that. No athleticism or aggressiveness at all.

[kgrund]

What a ****ing joke. Veach embarrased the franchise here.

Give us a break. Reach perhaps, BUT 6th round pick.

[The Franchise]

Chiefs selected Tennessee DT Kahlil McKenzie with the No. 198 overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft.

He's Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie's son. He's also 6'4/313. That's all we have.

[Flying High D]

Maybe we drafted him to Big Reds Buffett buddy. It happens.

[Infidel Goat]

ESPN talk about the Chiefs moving him to OG.

Ah Twitter beat ESPN to that, I see below...

[Chief Northman]

Give us a break. Reach perhaps, BUT 6th round pick.

I’d rather use my lottery ticket on a character devoid Holton Hill or a devalued Quenton Meeks.

[Flying High D]

He sucks and eats ass while having a bag of dicks as an appetizer.

[Halfcan]

Why did we trade up for this guy exactly?

[Flying High D]

I have never ever hated a pick more in my life.

[Iconic]

Why did we trade up for this guy exactly?

Literally think we did it just to spite the Raiders lmao

[RealSNR]

2:34 of that Texas A&M game in the OP is pretty lol-worthy.

I just... WHAT? He takes like 8 seconds to get out of his stance. He has no anchor. Can't handle double teams. Strength is average.

And he's a guard?

We traded UP to get him?

Did somebody pull a prank on Veach's sources?

[tmax63]

313lbs and a 5.15 forty and pick #198. There's some clay there to work with. If he doesn't turn into a masterpiece it isn't a helluva lot wasted. I don't quite see a franchise embarrassment, just someone with a few tools that might turn into something. Or he may not.

[Bwana]

Literally think we did it just to spite the Raiders lmao

That's all I can assume at this point. It's definitely a wtf pick. I hope he works out.

[ct]

What a ****ing joke. Veach embarrased the franchise here.

please

worst case he trolls the rival raiders. not a great use of two 7th round picks but hey...

i'm jk of course. they already talked to this kid about the switch, so this wasnt a spur of the moment call to try this.

[CoMoChief]

So he's a DT that we plan to convert to a guard? Is that true or is that just speculation? Was it Brian Waters that started out as a DT and made a good guard? I guess that it's not unheard of, but if you want a guard, why not draft a guard?

Will Svitek (DV era) is the guy I think ppl are thinking of.

[RealSNR]

It's only a successful spite to the Raiders if we treat him like shit when he's here.

Otherwise we just gave a few hundred thousand to the son of the Raiders GM when he should have been no more than a mini-camp invite.

[CoMoChief]

It's only a successful spite to the Raiders if we treat him like shit when he's here.

Otherwise we just gave a few hundred thousand to the son of the Raiders GM when he should have been no more than a mini-camp invite.

This

Stupid pick.

[RealSNR]

I've got it!

Every time Reggie calls up his own son just to chat about shit, the Chiefs send the call log over to the NFL and nail that motherfucker up for tampering!

Veach is a fucking genius!

[Simply Red]

what a weird draft

[Halfcan]

Literally think we did it just to spite the Raiders lmao

At least he is - UNINTERRUPTED!!!!!

What is that even supposed to mean? ROFL

[Flying High D]

Our best pick of the draft.

[oldman]

:tinfoil: Sign and trade to Faiders for their next year's #1, #2, and #4? Seems like a plan to me.

[Easy 6]

:tinfoil: Sign and trade to Faiders for their next year's #1, #2, and #4? Seems like a plan to me.

:clap:

[Halfcan]

Looks very slow getting up out of his stance- but once he gets some steam- road grades pretty well. Huge project. Could be a good run blocker if he works on that shitty technique-maybe?

[Easy 6]

Looks very slow getting up out of his stance- but once he gets some steam- road grades pretty well. Huge project. Could be a good run blocker if he works on that shitty technique-maybe?

I hope oldman is right, and we blackmail the kids dad out of a pick for him

[Flying High D]

Maybe he can get us Choaklands game plan.

[CaliforniaChief]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/23348617/kahlil-mckenzie-son-oakland-raiders-gm-drafted-kansas-city-chiefs-6th-round

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Kahlil McKenzie was a member of the Kansas City Chiefs only a few minutes Saturday when he started in with the trash talk with his father, Oakland Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie.

"I can't wait to whip up on you twice this year, and the next year and the next year and the next year after that,'' Kahlil said he told his father. "We're a competitive family [by] nature. We compete in everything we do. This just adds one more ripple into that. We're all excited for it. I'm excited to get to Kansas City and just help the Chiefs ... whoop up on the Raiders [and] whoop up on the rest of the NFL.''

The Chiefs drafted McKenzie out of Tennessee in the sixth round. He was a defensive lineman in college, but the Chiefs said they will move him to guard.

McKenzie said that decision pleased his father, a former linebacker for the Raiders. Reggie's twin brother, Raleigh, had a 16-year NFL career as an offensive lineman with four different NFL teams.

Kahlil did some offensive line drills at his pro day at Tennessee at the request of some NFL teams, the Chiefs being one.

"He had a sly little smile on his face,'' Kahlil said of his father. "I told him, 'It's a conspiracy. This is you. You did this.' He always wanted me to play offensive line. He was happy to see me play offensive line and said that I moved really well doing it. He said I looked like an offensive lineman doing those drills.''

[Bwana]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/23348617/kahlil-mckenzie-son-oakland-raiders-gm-drafted-kansas-city-chiefs-6th-round

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Kahlil McKenzie was a member of the Kansas City Chiefs only a few minutes Saturday when he started in with the trash talk with his father, Oakland Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie.

"I can't wait to whip up on you twice this year, and the next year and the next year and the next year after that,'' Kahlil said he told his father. "We're a competitive family [by] nature. We compete in everything we do. This just adds one more ripple into that. We're all excited for it. I'm excited to get to Kansas City and just help the Chiefs ... whoop up on the Raiders [and] whoop up on the rest of the NFL.''

The Chiefs drafted McKenzie out of Tennessee in the sixth round. He was a defensive lineman in college, but the Chiefs said they will move him to guard.

McKenzie said that decision pleased his father, a former linebacker for the Raiders. Reggie's twin brother, Raleigh, had a 16-year NFL career as an offensive lineman with four different NFL teams.

Kahlil did some offensive line drills at his pro day at Tennessee at the request of some NFL teams, the Chiefs being one.

"He had a sly little smile on his face,'' Kahlil said of his father. "I told him, 'It's a conspiracy. This is you. You did this.' He always wanted me to play offensive line. He was happy to see me play offensive line and said that I moved really well doing it. He said I looked like an offensive lineman doing those drills.''

Nice ROFL

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I actually like this kid’s chances as a guard. It’s common for them to have success here, evidently.

Sure would be sweet if he won the starting LG job in camp somehow.

[kccrow]

I actually like this kid’s chances as a guard. It’s common for them to have success here, evidently.

Sure would be sweet if he won the starting LG job in camp somehow.

He could have a shot at it in 2020 after he learns how to play the position. :D

[RealSNR]

The area scout who was describing him compared him to LDT. Said LDT got the transition pretty quickly. Doesn't know if McKenzie will be that fast.

We can probably bet he won't get it that fast, and for LDT, that took a full season on the bench and another half season of shitty spot starting.

For McKenzie, I think he's a practice squad guy year one. If he manages to drag along and make the roster in his 2nd year, he's got a chance to show that the transition to guard idea was a good one.

[Frosty]

This was really the only pick I didn't care for. I would much rather had Luke Falk to get the Raider trash off of the back up QB spot. Plus, if they wanted OL, the tackle from TCU or the C from Alabama went a few picks later.

Oh well, hopefully it will work out.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

There’s no guarantees in either direction. I remember when LDT got picked and most people thought it wouldn’t ever amount to much, yet he’s now one of the league’s better guards. Fulton too worked out better than expected.

This is why I refuse to grade drafts or judge at this point. Personally, I’m iffy on Speaks right now. Still, I’m willing to see it through and give things a chance before I go off and say “worst draft EVAR!!” like some do...

[NIUhuskies]

Reggie McKenzie said Charles Woodson told him Kahlil McKenzie needs to retire instead of put on that red #Chiefs helmet.

https://twitter.com/levidamien/status/990373709771755521?s=21


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[Easy 6]

The more you mull it over, the more this seems like some kind of grand NFL insider joke

Ransom the boy for a sweet pick... just how much is your own son worth to you, Reggie?

[MotherfuckerJones]

If Andy turns this fucking guy into a stud OG, I’ll never consider taking a guard in round 1 ever LOL

[KChiefs1]

Has Veach explained this pick yet?

[Pitt Gorilla]

Brian waters 2.0

[rico]

That pic of him receiving the call is freaking hilarious. He’s excited...the rest of the room appears to be on the verge of getting sick.

[rico]

Kahlil can be our little Raiders spy...or more like our big, fat Raiders spy.

[RunKC]

https://mobile.twitter.com/_MaNyFaCeDgOd_/status/990433247250219008

I don’t think I’ve ever seen as big of legs as this dudes. Goddamn tree trunks

[RippedmyFlesh]

The area scout who was describing him compared him to LDT. Said LDT got the transition pretty quickly. Doesn't know if McKenzie will be that fast.

We can probably bet he won't get it that fast, and for LDT, that took a full season on the bench and another half season of shitty spot starting.

For McKenzie, I think he's a practice squad guy year one. If he manages to drag along and make the roster in his 2nd year, he's got a chance to show that the transition to guard idea was a good one.

One thing is McKenzie won't have the burden that LDT had. Still amazes me how LDT did both things at once.

[Rain Man]

https://mobile.twitter.com/_MaNyFaCeDgOd_/status/990433247250219008

I don’t think I’ve ever seen as big of legs as this dudes. Goddamn tree trunks

Dang. I'm not sure it's even possible to knock that guy down. His center of gravity is mid-thigh.

[Danguardace]

Only thing I dont like about this pick is if they want to develop him on the PS his dad can just snap him up at any time.

[Danguardace]

People need to listen to this before continuing to be angry this pick.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Area-Scout-Pat-Sperduto-Discusses-Kahlil-McKenzie-/3210cccb-e6ae-4968-8376-7c7ff5acd358

[ChiefAshhole1056]

This is a really interesting pick to me. If you watch his film, he really does fire off the ball and get good leverage and extension pretty consistently. It’s just cool that this near UDFA level player was scouted as a DT and that trait was recognized and impressed enough for KC to draft him in a completely new position.

Veach has some balls man, plain and simple. He’s going to get his guys at no matter the price and banking on his abilities, which have proved successful thus far. This is going to be one fun fucking decade.

[kccrow]

Alot higher hopes of him making it at OG than had he been selected to be a NT.

[Molitoth]

Maybe he can get us Choaklands game plan.

Honestly I think it would work the other way around.

[MVChiefFan]

Honestly I think it would work the other way around.

I’m not trying to be one of those overly paranoid people, but I’ve been thinking a lot about this. What if this kid DOES tell his dad our game plan?! We’ve dominated those pukes for years, so if we start losing to them all of the sudden, I’m going to be very suspicious. :D

[pugsnotdrugs19]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Day 3 is about swinging for the fences for me. Draft a freak rugby player, or Khalil McKenzie and Flip him to OL, or high upside ACL guys that fell. All for it. Day 1 and 2 are about finding starters for week 1.</p>&mdash; John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff/status/990648338595786753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is what I mean when I say I love picks like this one or even Tremon Smith coming from a small school. Feels like if McKenzie gets it all together he could turn into a stud.

[Chris Meck]

This is a really interesting pick to me. If you watch his film, he really does fire off the ball and get good leverage and extension pretty consistently. It’s just cool that this near UDFA level player was scouted as a DT and that trait was recognized and impressed enough for KC to draft him in a completely new position.

Veach has some balls man, plain and simple. He’s going to get his guys at no matter the price and banking on his abilities, which have proved successful thus far. This is going to be one fun ****ing decade.

man, you watch him...and then just pretend that's a offensive guard...yeah, I get it. You can coach technique, you can't coach what he IS. He's a powerful man. I'll bet this works out and Veach looks like a genius in a year or two.

[tmax63]

He could be good faster than you think. Playing OG isn't rocket science like some here think. 90% of the time you knock down the asshole in front of you or you look and watch for an asshole to knock down. The rest of the time you pull and run around the end looking for an asshole to knock down. Mongo could of been a OG and a good one at that.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Kahlil can be our little Raiders spy...or more like our big, fat Raiders spy.

Double agent.

[kccrow]

He could be good faster than you think. Playing OG isn't rocket science like some here think. 90% of the time you knock down the asshole in front of you or you look and watch for an asshole to knock down. The rest of the time you pull and run around the end looking for an asshole to knock down. Mongo could of been a OG and a good one at that.

Rather simplistic.

Guards don't need to be as athletic, especially laterally, as tackles, but they need to have a lower center of gravity, more strength, better core flexibility, and far better field awareness. That awareness aspect is the real key to the position and it's what makes it so not every asshole can just be a guard.

Edit: When I say core flexibility, that means ability to flex at the core as they'll be bending more regularly and need to have the ability to extend and flatten much more than a tackle.

[Icon]

The area scout who was describing him compared him to LDT. Said LDT got the transition pretty quickly. Doesn't know if McKenzie will be that fast.

We can probably bet he won't get it that fast, and for LDT, that took a full season on the bench and another half season of shitty spot starting.

For McKenzie, I think he's a practice squad guy year one. If he manages to drag along and make the roster in his 2nd year, he's got a chance to show that the transition to guard idea was a good one.


A problem with this pick is he's going to take time to develop. With his fathers's Raider connection I would think he would be a very tempting target to poach off our practice squad.

[RealSNR]

A problem with this pick is he's going to take time to develop. With his fathers's Raider connection I would think he would be a very tempting target to poach off our practice squad.

We went through an entire 2014 season of starting Mike McGlynn, who is the worst OL for the Chiefs I've ever seen start multiple consecutive games. During that entire time, we didn't even consider throwing LDT into the fire once. But he was on the roster.

We may have to do a similar thing with McKenzie, particularly if we have our starting 5 PLUS Witzmann/Ehinger, Erving, and some guy like Devey. Adding Mackenzie to that would give us 9 OL on the roster, which I don't think is something Reid wants to do, exactly.

[KChiefs1]

Only thing I dont like about this pick is if they want to develop him on the PS his dad can just snap him up at any time.



If he’s on the practice squad then someone will take him.

[RunKC]

Andy should troll the fuck out of Reggie McKenzie and have this kid throw a goal like TD like Poe did

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

2:34 of that Texas A&M game in the OP is pretty lol-worthy.

I just... WHAT? He takes like 8 seconds to get out of his stance. He has no anchor. Can't handle double teams. Strength is average.

And he's a guard?

We traded UP to get him?

Did somebody pull a prank on Veach's sources?

ROFL

Yep, that was the first thing that caught my eye as well. A total "step this way, sir"(!)-play reminiscent of Sackintosh's finer moments.

Was this a Veach troll job? I mean, if it was, I can get behind that. Anything else, not so much.

[bigjosh]

So is it tampering if he talks to his dad?

[TribalElder]

This will be interesting to watch as Gruden begins his raider takeover

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/29/report-raiders-making-changes-to-personnel-department-as-grudens-influence-grows/

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

This will be interesting to watch as Gruden begins his raider takeover

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/29/report-raiders-making-changes-to-personnel-department-as-grudens-influence-grows/

This will end well.

[rico]

Andy should troll the **** out of Reggie McKenzie and have this kid throw a goal like TD like Poe did

ROFL This is a marvelous idea!

[patteeu]

Andy should troll the fuck out of Reggie McKenzie and have this kid throw a goal like TD like Poe did

He should design a play like that featuring McKenzie for every Raiders game we play. Try to get him a TD or a TD pass in every meeting. Especially in run-up-the-score situations. Bad manner the Raiders with their own son.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Combine tape:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Kahlil-McKenzies-Full-2018-Combine-Workout/e05dc1aa-90b9-4aac-abde-999fa5accb3b

[TimeForWasp]

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[pugsnotdrugs19]

Veach said today that he sees McKenzie as a potential first round talent as a guard. The size and pedigree is there.

I’m telling you guys, this might be my 2nd favorite pick. If he is a hit, the offense is set for a long time.

[KCrockaholic]

Besides the way he moves, what the hell tells Veach he's a 1st round level guard?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Besides the way he moves, what the hell tells Veach he's a 1st round level guard?

He plays like a guard on tape as a DT. Latches onto dudes and doesn’t let go. Very strong, huge lower half.

[Kiimo]

Besides the way he moves, what the hell tells Veach he's a 1st round level guard?

I got two reasons right here:

https://i.imgur.com/ydWLgYs.png

[Dante84]

Man, if he hits and becomes a stud, that would be fucking awesome.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I got two reasons right here:

https://i.imgur.com/ydWLgYs.png

Fuckin’ tree trunks.

[O.city]

Meh, give it 2 or 3 years as a project? Maybe sneak him on the PS?

[RealSNR]

I got two reasons right here:

https://i.imgur.com/ydWLgYs.png


Christ. His arms look tiny in comparison

[ThaVirus]

I got two reasons right here:

https://i.imgur.com/ydWLgYs.png

If this dude doesn't squat at least 700 lbs it's a waste

[Chief Northman]

Is Reggie Mckenzie married to a Samoan woman?

[MotherfuckerJones]

Holy shit he’s gigantic. Man, if he develops into a serviceable guard and can move people off the ball that’d be great. I look for him to be a PS player unless he really impresses

[Tribal Warfare]

Dave Szott 2.0

FYP

[Kiimo]

****in’ tree trunks.

Let's hope that's the only thing in common with Trezelle Jenkins.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Meh, give it 2 or 3 years as a project? Maybe sneak him on the PS?I bet he gets some snaps within a year.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I got two reasons right here:

https://i.imgur.com/ydWLgYs.pngI bet the pants guy was like, "You're ****ing kidding me."

[Easy 6]

Veach said today that he sees McKenzie as a potential first round talent as a guard. The size and pedigree is there.

I’m telling you guys, this might be my 2nd favorite pick. If he is a hit, the offense is set for a long time.

The more one mulls it over, one can only hope its one of those 'so crazy it just might work' ideas that somehow pans out brilliantly... maybe this wasnt some grand prank after all

He does have some crazy legs, talk about having a base... makes Dana Stubblefield look like a man riding a chicken

https://goo.gl/images/n6jtVy

[staylor26]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/991102312348340224/photo/1

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/991102312348340224/photo/2

[Dante84]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/991102312348340224/photo/1

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/991102312348340224/photo/2


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Really interesting what <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach had to say about Kahlil McKenzie <a href="https://t.co/KCVaAsrv1l">pic.twitter.com/KCVaAsrv1l</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/991102312348340224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 30, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[BossChief]

I got two reasons right here:

https://i.imgur.com/ydWLgYs.png

Holy shit.

I’m not sure over ever seen someone built like that before.

He looks straight out of a comic book.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Holy shit.

I’m not sure over ever seen someone built like that before.

He looks straight out of a comic book.

Dontari Poe comes to mind. But thats about it.

[Danguardace]

Interesting his dad had the same plan as Veach for what it's worth.

Area Scout Pat Sperduto Discusses Kahlil McKenzie http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Area-Scout-Pat-Sperduto-Discusses-Kahlil-McKenzie-/3210cccb-e6ae-4968-8376-7c7ff5acd358

[Willie Lanier]

Bad pick, but who cares?

It's a throwaway pick with albeit minimal upside...

Now is not the time to whine over gamble picks

[staylor26]

Bad pick, but who cares?

It's a throwaway pick with albeit minimal upside...

Now is not the time to whine over gamble picks

But this wasn’t a bad pick at all. High upside for the end of the 6th.

[O.city]

Eh they can talk about him being a first round guard and whatnot, but it’s still pretty meh taking a dl and asking him to move to guard. He hasn’t played guard for a while and didn’t play it in college.

That’s a year or two of likely transition.

It was a 6th round pick so it’s a good swing and it may work out as they have more knowledge about him than we do but I won’t be surprised if it doesn’t work

[RealSNR]

Eh they can talk about him being a first round guard and whatnot, but it’s still pretty meh taking a dl and asking him to move to guard. He hasn’t played guard for a while and didn’t play it in college.

That’s a year or two of likely transition.

It was a 6th round pick so it’s a good swing and it may work out as they have more knowledge about him than we do but I won’t be surprised if it doesn’t work

You won't be surprised if it doesn't work?

Holy shit, guys. Breaking new hot take here! O.Shitty says he won't be surprised if a DL guy transitioning to an OL position doesn't work!

Like, if Mackenzie goes at it but then gets cut because the coaches just decide he can't hack it, O.Shitty won't be shocked that took place!

Holy fucking crap! I mean, I know I personally thought Veach was GUARANTEEING that we'd have a new starting LG in Mackenzie at some point, and that he'd be really good! That's why he spent a whopping fucking 6th round pick on him, after all! And that's gotta be what everybody else thought too, I'm sure. When you first heard the idea that the guy was going to play G instead of DL, I know we all thought, "Well, obviously, because barring catastrophic injury, there's no way this guy doesn't succeed at something he's never played!"

But then here comes O.Shitty. I mean, holy fucking shit guys. I'm going to go blow my goddamn brains out. Can you fucking believe this shit? He won't be SURPRISED IF A 6TH ROUND PICK TRANSITIONING TO A POSITION HE'S NEVER PLAYED BEFORE WON'T WORK OUT?!!!!!!!!!!

What the fuck?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Buckweath]

Eh they can talk about him being a first round guard and whatnot, but it’s still pretty meh taking a dl and asking him to move to guard. He hasn’t played guard for a while and didn’t play it in college.

That’s a year or two of likely transition.

It was a 6th round pick so it’s a good swing and it may work out as they have more knowledge about him than we do but I won’t be surprised if it doesn’t work

Well 6th round picks are always very likely not to amount to anything special but this pick feels like the LDT pick also in the 6th round. It is a project but it seems to have upside and that's all you can ask from a 6th round pick really. LDT sure was a great pick.

[staylor26]

You won't be surprised if it doesn't work?

Holy shit, guys. Breaking new hot take here! O.Shitty says he won't be surprised if a DL guy transitioning to an OL position doesn't work!

Like, if Mackenzie goes at it but then gets cut because the coaches just decide he can't hack it, O.Shitty won't be shocked that took place!

Holy ****ing crap! I mean, I know I personally thought Veach was GUARANTEEING that we'd have a new starting LG in Mackenzie at some point, and that he'd be really good! That's why he spent a whopping ****ing 6th round pick on him, after all! And that's gotta be what everybody else thought too, I'm sure. When you first heard the idea that the guy was going to play G instead of DL, I know we all thought, "Well, obviously, because barring catastrophic injury, there's no way this guy doesn't succeed at something he's never played!"

But then here comes O.Shitty. I mean, holy ****ing shit guys. I'm going to go blow my goddamn brains out. Can you ****ing believe this shit? He won't be SURPRISED IF A 6TH ROUND PICK TRANSITIONING TO A POSITION HE'S NEVER PLAYED BEFORE WON'T WORK OUT?!!!!!!!!!!

What the ****?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

LMAO :clap:

[O.city]

You won't be surprised if it doesn't work?

Holy shit, guys. Breaking new hot take here! O.Shitty says he won't be surprised if a DL guy transitioning to an OL position doesn't work!

Like, if Mackenzie goes at it but then gets cut because the coaches just decide he can't hack it, O.Shitty won't be shocked that took place!

Holy ****ing crap! I mean, I know I personally thought Veach was GUARANTEEING that we'd have a new starting LG in Mackenzie at some point, and that he'd be really good! That's why he spent a whopping ****ing 6th round pick on him, after all! And that's gotta be what everybody else thought too, I'm sure. When you first heard the idea that the guy was going to play G instead of DL, I know we all thought, "Well, obviously, because barring catastrophic injury, there's no way this guy doesn't succeed at something he's never played!"

But then here comes O.Shitty. I mean, holy ****ing shit guys. I'm going to go blow my goddamn brains out. Can you ****ing believe this shit? He won't be SURPRISED IF A 6TH ROUND PICK TRANSITIONING TO A POSITION HE'S NEVER PLAYED BEFORE WON'T WORK OUT?!!!!!!!!!!

What the ****?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I was responding to Staylors post above, so your post has no relevance here. Good job and move along.

[staylor26]

I was responding to Staylors post above, so your post has no relevance here. Good job and move along.

What was wrong with my post?

All I said was that it was a high upside pick for the 6th

Of course it wouldn’t be surprising if it doesn’t work out

[O.city]

What was wrong with my post?

All I said was that it was a high upside pick for the 6th

Of course it wouldn’t be surprising if it doesn’t work out

I don't consider taking a guy and asking him to play a position he's never played high upside, no matter the round.

[staylor26]

I don't consider taking a guy and asking him to play a position he's never played high upside, no matter the round.

Lol ok

This is a boom or bust pick relative to the round. High upside low floor.

By the way, he’s played the position. Just not in college.

[staylor26]

How is this any different from when teams take basketball players late in the draft to play TE? Those are almost always high upside picks late in the draft.

[O.city]

How is this any different from when teams take basketball players late in the draft to play TE? Those are almost always high upside picks late in the draft.

It's not, and that doesn't work out very often either.

[ChiefGator]

It's not, and that doesn't work out very often either.

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[RealSNR]

I don't consider taking a guy and asking him to play a position he's never played high upside, no matter the round.


Is the learning curve any worse than drafting a guy whose football practices were conducted in French? Hell, the guy didn't even play football. He played Canadian football.

How about taking a tackle and saying, "Nah. You're gonna play center." That's what we did with Mitch Morse, and yeah, he had experience at C, but we also took him in the 2nd, not the 6th.

What about all the fucking QBs over the years who were drafted with mid round picks and immediately moved to WR?

It's a 6th round pick. Would I have drafted Mackenzie, much less traded up for him? Provably not. But the pick has upside, which is all you can ask for out of guys taken in the 6th and beyond

[staylor26]

It's not, and that doesn't work out very often either.

Neither do most 6th round picks.

I feel like you can’t grasp what I’m saying by “relative to the 6th”, either that or you’re just an idiot today :shrug:

Anyways, our GM clearly feels this a high upside pick and he’s definitely done way more homework on this guy than anybody on CP.

[O.city]

Neither do most 6th round picks.

I feel like you can’t grasp what I’m saying by “relative to the 6th”, either that or you’re just an idiot today :shrug:

Anyways, our GM clearly feels this a high upside pick and he’s definitely done way more homework on this guy than anybody on CP.

Sure, they know more than we do.

But they took a DL in the 6th round and plan to convert him to guard. It's a decent place to take him I suppose in that if it doesn't work out, oh well.

[O.city]

The chances of taking a guy that doesn't need a position change would be higher though. It's not like they took a DE and are asking him to stand up some.

[Beef Supreme]

People act like playing guard is rocket surgery. He may be good at it or he may be bad at it, but if he has a brain and can learn protections, the learning curve isn't exactly monumental.

[O.city]

Is the learning curve any worse than drafting a guy whose football practices were conducted in French? Hell, the guy didn't even play football. He played Canadian football.

How about taking a tackle and saying, "Nah. You're gonna play center." That's what we did with Mitch Morse, and yeah, he had experience at C, but we also took him in the 2nd, not the 6th.

What about all the ****ing QBs over the years who were drafted with mid round picks and immediately moved to WR?

It's a 6th round pick. Would I have drafted Mackenzie, much less traded up for him? Provably not. But the pick has upside, which is all you can ask for out of guys taken in the 6th and beyond

But whats the reason for the upside? He's big and athletic?

I think we can agree that taking a guy that's played QB and asking him to play WR is a little different. Hell, even those guys don't normally hit very quickly and take a while to develop if they do. They usually end up being a gimmicky WR, running screens or go routes.

It's a 6th round pick. It's not likely whoever they took would work out, but if they wanted a guard, I would have preferred to take a guard.

Just from a contractual value standpoint, it's not likely he plays much or does much this year. Say he plays next year some as a backup/swing type guy, then in year three does become a starter. You've used up the value of the contract on development.

[O.city]

He is big and strong and athletic, it would be awesome if it clicks and he's a legit LG.

Just seems these experiments don't work out so often.

[KCDC]

The guy who scouted him on his pro day saw him line up as a guard and do better than the guards that were being showcased.

A DT knows a lot about how to play guard because they go up against guards most every play.

Given who his father is, he won't be a quitter.

6th round guards have a low ceiling. Maybe this guy is worth a chance to show a higher ceiling if you put him on the practice squad for a year.

I'm not troubled. There are plenty of free agent guards available that could be brought in for a look if this guy does not exhibit potential.

[RealSNR]

But whats the reason for the upside? He's big and athletic?
Listen to the Chiefs scout talk about Mackenzie. The video is on the Chiefs website, and the link was posted somewhere in this thread. I'm too lazy to find it right now, though. In any case, yes, physical traits are a huge part of the upside, but they're not the entire story.

And let's say it IS about the physical traits. Okay. Why are you drafting Antwaan Randel-El and moving him to WR first thing? Wouldn't it just be easier to draft a WR? Oh, he's fast and shifty? That's a physical skill WRs have to be able to do? You're telling me there aren't other fast and shifty WRs the Steelers could have drafted in the 4th round those many years ago?

Like I said, I wouldn't have drafted Mackenzie, much less traded up for him. I think the upside on that C we got as an UDFA from Holy Cross has more upside than Mackenzie-- that guy overcoming playing only against Sisters of the Poor State University is probably a more likely outcome than Mackenzie overcoming the position and skill switch. But I'm not going to say this was a dumb pick when that's exactly what 6th round picks are for.

[ChiefGator]

But they took a DL ...

... if they wanted a guard, I would have preferred to take a guard.

You keep speaking in vagueries about 'A' player. They didn't say, let's take A Dlineman and convert him to a guard. They looked at all the players available and felt MacKenzie had the highest ceiling, and the highest ceiling for that player was as a guard.

[Dante84]

The entire front office staff is jerking off over this pick. They love that they got him, and they are geeking out like he was a top 15 pick.

Yeah, they have the caveats like "learning curve," and are preaching patience, but you can tell they are absolutely thrilled they have him.

[Dunerdr]

Worst case scenario we cut him and send a loud clear fuck you and your family to both Reggie and Khalil, then stock pile picks 8 years from now to do it wit the next son.

[Kiimo]

The chances of taking a guy that doesn't need a position change would be higher though. It's not like they took a DE and are asking him to stand up some.

So worst case scenario they took a defensive line guy right where he should be. He's a 6th defensive line pick or a 1st offensive guard pick. If guard doesn't work out he still has the same percentage chance to make the team as a DL.

[RunKC]

The chances of taking a guy that doesn't need a position change would be higher though. It's not like they took a DE and are asking him to stand up some.

They did a fantastic job with LDT, Fulton was a very good late round guy who was an excellent backup/spot starter and Ehinger was a rock solid LG before his knee got destroyed.

I trust them more than not to do this.

[O.city]

They did a fantastic job with LDT, Fulton was a very good late round guy who was an excellent backup/spot starter and Ehinger was a rock solid LG before his knee got destroyed.

I trust them more than not to do this.

Sure.

They've been successful with late round OL. But they were also OL at the collegiate level.

That's a shit load of lost reps just learning how and when to step. It's not as easy as some think it seems.

I don't have a problem with the pick in the 6th, but asking a dude to change once he gets to the NFL, eh, I'm not a fan.

[RealSNR]

So worst case scenario they took a defensive line guy right where he should be. He's a 6th defensive line pick or a 1st offensive guard pick. If guard doesn't work out he still has the same percentage chance to make the team as a DL.

Mackenzie will do nothing in the NFL at DL. If we're depending on him at DL even as a backup, we've lost our way.

[Kiimo]

My point wasn't that I hope for him to succeed as a DL, only that 6th round picks are lottery tickets anyway.

[SAUTO]

But he's 6th and 2 7th round lottery tickets all in one...

Not just a 6th.

[staylor26]

But he's 6th and 2 7th round lottery tickets all in one...

Not just a 6th.

No, we didn’t have a 6th.

We used our two 7th’s to get back into the 6th.

[SAUTO]

No, we didn’t have a 6th.

We used our two 7th’s to get back into the 6th.

Yeah I forgot. Still he cost two lottery tickets

[Kiimo]

Yeah I forgot. Still he cost two lottery tickets

https://youtu.be/hXmXUZhozks

[BossChief]

Sure.

They've been successful with late round OL. But they were also OL at the collegiate level.

That's a shit load of lost reps just learning how and when to step. It's not as easy as some think it seems.

I don't have a problem with the pick in the 6th, but asking a dude to change once he gets to the NFL, eh, I'm not a fan.

His upbringing and family probably have factored into how quickly he will acclimate to LG.

I’ve heard he’s a very quick study and won’t take as long as some think to get up to speed...but time will tell.

[tmax63]

I played guard in HS. It really isn't rocket science. You knock down the f@#$er in front of you or the guy trying to hit the gap between you and your buddy on either side of you. Once in a while they tell you to haul ass down the line and pull to smash someone that doesn't see you coming. He probably knows most of it already. As a DT and playing against guards he's seen most of the tricks already against him.

[Red Dawg]

I played guard in HS. It really isn't rocket science. You knock down the f@#$er in front of you or the guy trying to hit the gap between you and your buddy on either side of you. Once in a while they tell you to haul ass down the line and pull to smash someone that doesn't see you coming. He probably knows most of it already. As a DT and playing against guards he's seen most of the tricks already against him.

I played guard in pee wee football. Its really easy.

[tmax63]

Then you know what I'm saying is truth.

[Shoes]

I played guard in HS. It really isn't rocket science. You knock down the f@#$er in front of you or the guy trying to hit the gap between you and your buddy on either side of you. Once in a while they tell you to haul ass down the line and pull to smash someone that doesn't see you coming. He probably knows most of it already. As a DT and playing against guards he's seen most of the tricks already against him.

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[Chiefshrink]

Is this guy a ****ing OG or DT?

He will be the next Will Shields.:clap:

[Chiefs Moon]

Yeah I forgot. Still he cost two lottery tickets

I don't win anything on lottery tickets. An occasional dollar or two.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Getting precious about the 6th round?

Jesus Tip-Toe Tampon; I've fucking heard it all now.

[SAUTO]

Getting precious about the 6th round?

Jesus Tip-Toe Tampon; I've fucking heard it all now.

You talking to me? I don't really get dumbass

I was just saying. I was all for trading every pick and next year's rams pick to end up with 5 picks in the top 124 im good with the trade up.

[tmax63]

God these haters are so serious.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You talking to me? I don't really get dumbass

I was just saying. I was all for trading every pick and next year's rams pick to end up with 5 picks in the top 124 im good with the trade up.

Nope, not you at all. The comments started well before and I didn't read far enough to get to even one of your posts.

Everyone may have a "great" reason in their own mind, but the fact remains:

It's a fucking 6th round pick; use it as you see fit, even if the approach is unconventional.

[Mi_chief_fan]

Nope, not you at all. The comments started well before and I didn't read far enough to get to even one of your posts.

Everyone may have a "great" reason in their own mind, but the fact remains:

It's a ****ing 6th round pick; use it as you see fit, even if the approach is unconventional.

I........actually agree. 100%.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Like billay on plus size night....Sweets nails it.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I........actually agree. 100%.

Like billay on plus size night....Sweets nails it.

LMAO

[thabear04]

Mackenzie sign his rookie contact.

[Dante84]

Okay, this pick makes more sense now. Watch the back half of this video, where you see Veach break down some of his Pro Day.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“He can react very quickly. Great instincts.” <br><br>Watch GM Brett Veach break down film of our 2018 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsDraft</a> picks. <a href="https://t.co/MCkclFaO4n">pic.twitter.com/MCkclFaO4n</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/997280703057281024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Simply Red]

Very responsible for you to update with this new information, Dante - little things like this are noticed and make you more desirable as a poster and as a human being. We thank you.

[Hoover]

As an old Dorsey junkie (still like that dude), I think Veach has the it factor. He could end up being the best GM in the league. He's smart. Young. Agressive. Clearly knows football. I can't really imagine another GM doing an interview like this. Great stuff.

[O.city]

Man you can see why they like this dude. I’ve changed my tune a. Bit after doing some reading on it. If they can get him acclimated with that typ of power and athleticism he could play lg pretty soon

[Simply Red]

As an old Dorsey junkie (still like that dude), I think Veach has the it factor. He could end up being the best GM in the league. He's smart. Young. Agressive. Clearly knows football. I can't really imagine another GM doing an interview like this. Great stuff.

Good post - I basically agree.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Good post - I basically agree.

Kahlil Mackenzie will crush Kalil Macks nutsack.

[RealSNR]

I have one problem with what Veach was saying in that video. Where he goes, "He was already talented enough to become an NFL defensive lineman."

Uhhh no. Not only no, but HELL no. The guy consistently made ZERO plays, and his stalemates didn't outnumber the times he just got pushed back.

The experiment transition to OL I'm okay with. Tout it as that, Veach. Talk about all the wonderful things he has going for him in that regard, but don't lie to us.

[Simply Red]

Kahlil Mackenzie will crush Kalil Macks nutsack.

I have one problem with what Veach was saying in that video. Where he goes, "He was already talented enough to become an NFL defensive lineman."

Uhhh no. Not only no, but HELL no. The guy consistently made ZERO plays, and his stalemates didn't outnumber the times he just got pushed back.

The experiment transition to OL I'm okay with. Tout it as that, Veach. Talk about all the wonderful things he has going for him in that regard, but don't lie to us.

thank you to the both of you.

[gonefishin53]

The kid run a 4.62 sec shuttle and 7.69 sec 3 cone at his pro day. That is amazing quickness and agility for a lower body that massive. I think by the end of training camp, Veach won't want to let another team pick him off the waiver wire. Much like Dorsey did with LDT.

[RunKC]

I think McKenzie could be Mitch Morse’s replacement if they feel like they need to move on. Morse is always hurt and we have to sign Fuller, Hill, Jones and Ragland to think about extending next year. Maybe Chris Conley ifthey like him enough.

He’s got the power and athleticism to be a nice wall in the middle. Kid reminds me of a more athletic Zach Fulton.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Kahlil Mackenzie will crush Kalil Macks nutsack.


That would be very nice of him to do so.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Sure would be nice if he turned into a starter sooner than later. Sounds like Ehinger gets the first crack at LG based on OTA reports, which isn’t a huge surprise.

I think McKenzie has some legit upside.

[Rain Man]

I was watching a video of his high jump at the combine a while back, and some gigantic guy walked by. I got distracted by it. Who was that giant? I reversed back and paused the video, trying to read the name, and it was Nnadi. Made me laugh.

[Dante84]

So is this guy ready or what?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I think he'd be one hell of a fullback.

[Hoover]

Won’t know until preseason. Draft should give us an indication of how the team feels about his development