QB situation #25 - Mahomes is boom or bust

[CrowbarMan]

USA Today ranks the Chiefs' QB situation as #25, partially due to the backup situation but also Mahomes being "boom or bust".

We’re high on Patrick Mahomes after seeing him play in Week 17 last season, but he’s going to be a boom-or-bust guy for the next few years and the Chiefs do not have a solid backup if he gets hurt. No, Chad Henne does not count as a solid backup.

I expect he'll have a few early wins then hit a wall in his first season while he learns how to adjust to NFL-speed defenses. 7-9.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/05/nfl-quarterback-rankings-siutation-backup-2018-draft-eagles-packers-patriots-carson-wentz-nick-foles

[ptlyon]

BOOM

[LoneWolf]

Chad Henne is not a good backup QB, but they say Geno Smith is an underrated backup as they score the Chargers as the seventh best QB situation? Shit article posted on a shit website.

[Red Dawg]

Boom or bust is a joke of an analogy. The easy way out. Mahomes is not boom or bust. Bust means he can't be a starter and there is just no way anyone really thinks that based on his talent level. He above average talent.

[Mecca]

Chad Henne is not a good backup QB, but they say Geno Smith is an underrated backup as they score the Chargers as the seventh best QB situation? Shit article posted on a shit website.

An interception machine with a backup that sucks..7th best!

[Simply Red]

I guess beating a top 5 defense on the road w/ 2nd and 3rd stringers to work with means nothing.

[Ming the Merciless]

its hard to put a number on this

he is a work in progress...by everyone's account

if he reaches his potential....it could send the chiefs into the upper echelon of teams for years

if he busts, well...we are the chiefs still for the next 5+ years

its probably going to take 2-3 years to really know what we have here.....so how to you put some number on it for next year?

I wouldnt put it as low as 25 but you HAVE to give some downside to the tremendous risks involved ......I'd say in the middle somehwhere with a massive upside potential but also a disastrous downside if it doesnt pan out.

[Tombstone RJ]

I guess beating a top 5 defense on the road w/ 2nd and 3rd stringers to work with means nothing.

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

[Ming the Merciless]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

wrong

go back and read the box score


the chiefs had NO ONE on offense and the Broncos played their 1st stringers in the 1st half...

you have this ass backwards

[Buckweath]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.
And that's just one game.

But the thing is if Mahomes is all the talent that so many pretend that he is, how could he fail when he has been put in such perfect conditions: Andy Reid as a supposedly QB guru, a year of learning behind Smith who honestly is probably the perfect mentor for a gunslinger like Mahomes, an OK Oline and a ton of weapons everywhere.

I guess the Oline could be his downfall if ever they were to get injuries or just play poorly.

[staylor26]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Holy shit you’re fucking retarded

[Coochie liquor]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Uhoh... almost forgot they had nothing to play for EXCEPT... end the winning streak we currently have on your team... at home... against a rookie... we started NOBODY, you had your shitastick defense out there. Don’t worry, there’s a reminder coming this season. Your coach will be fired by mid season! The Mange will be all talk about who’s the new coach gonna be and who are they gonna pick in the top 5 again, lmao!

[RealSNR]

Cleveland at 22?

The Jets at 20?

They claim they're pumping the brakes on the Jimmy Garrapolo hype, but they're still overrating the hell out of him at 16.

Jesus, they even put Trubisky over Mahomes? Is it all because of Chad fucking Henne?

Most backup QBs are the same. Derek Anderson = Chad Henne = Matt Moore = Booger Daniel = Josh McCown. You don't get a leg up over anyone else unless you have a guy like Nick Foles.

Dumb list. But I see they DID put Denver at dead last LMAO

[The Franchise]

That list is all kinds of retarded.

How is Philly #2? Rodgers is better than Wentz but Wentz/Foles is better than Rodgers/Kizer.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Boom or bust? Fucking retarded. Lazy journalism.

Pat’s ceiling is VERY high and he has already shown flashes he can play in the NFL at a high level. There is no way whatsoever he will be a ‘bust’. At worst, his floor is an average starting QB in this league.

[Icon]

I guess beating a top 5 defense on the road w/ 2nd and 3rd stringers to work with means nothing.



This post is underrated.

[Best22]

He has Cincy and Texans rated below us

[FringeNC]

Contrary to the perception on here, Alex Smith was a good QB, and Andy Reid loved the guy. Reid didn't trade Smith with the expectation of going 7-9. I think it's pretty clear Reid is convinced the kid is going to be a star, and sooner rather than later.

[Chief Pagan]

BOOM

FYP.

[Shoes]

Chad Henne is not a good backup QB, but they say Geno Smith is an underrated backup as they score the Chargers as the seventh best QB situation? Shit article posted on a shit website.

Sums up this thread and that article.

[Kiimo]

I guess beating a top 5 defense on the road w/ 2nd and 3rd stringers to work with means nothing.


And for a comparison check out what they said about the Giants, ranked ahead of us.

USA Today has always been hot garbage.

[MotherfuckerJones]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

You’re truly a fucking moron. Mahomes let up 24-10. Bray blew that lead then he came back in drove right down AGAINST VON MILLER and got the game winning FG

[Jerok]

He had Bradley Roby throwing his hands in the air after the catch on the final drive, as in 'I can't believe he made that throw'

[Bob Dole]

Chad Henne is not a good backup QB, but they say Geno Smith is an underrated backup as they score the Chargers as the seventh best QB situation? Shit article posted on a shit website.

Have to pimp the LA team.

[Quesadilla Joe]

He had Bradley Roby throwing his hands in the air after the catch on the final drive, as in 'I can't believe he made that throw'

More like, "I can't believe how terrible Marcus Rios is".

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[staylor26]

More like, "I can't believe how terrible Marcus Rios is".

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That’s not even the play he’s talking about fucking moron

[MotherfuckerJones]

ROFl Knomo avoids the previous throw that Mahomes made to Robinson with Miller bearing down on him. You’re such a bitch

[pugsnotdrugs19]

He’s gonna bust his ball bag all over the league for the next decade.

[Molitoth]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

There are some fine Donk fans on this forum. Considering yourself not one of them after that stupid sentence.

Do you realize Mahomes toasted your first stringers (with backups) while Tyler Bray came in to give away 14 points?

[KChiefs1]

:rolleyes:



I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.



Von Miller is 2nd or 3rd team now? Wow.

[Kiimo]

Have to pimp the LA team.

LA doesn't even pimp the LA team

[Tombstone RJ]

Von Miller is 2nd or 3rd team now? Wow.

Nope, he was on the sideline...

[MotherfuckerJones]

Nope, he was on the sideline...

He was on the field the last game winning drive dummy

[MotherfuckerJones]

https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/status/989667121025167360?s=21

Oh look there it is Lil Tomby. Von chasing him while Mahomes throws a dart

[The Franchise]

Knowmo doesn’t even know who was on Robinson. It was Langley not Rios.

[Ming the Merciless]

There are some fine Donk fans on this forum. Considering yourself not one of them after that stupid sentence.

Do you realize Mahomes toasted your first stringers (with backups) while Tyler Bray came in to give away 14 points?

No, he doesn't

[jjchieffan]

Nope, he was on the sideline...

Liar! He was in for 34 snaps. Which is more than half of the snaps in the game.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Nope, he was on the sideline...

Did Von Miller play the whole game? Of course not. But this narrative that the starters all rested and the backups played most of the game is pure made up B.S.

Specifically, regarding Miller, there were 66 offensive snaps by the Chiefs and Miller was on the field for 33 of them.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MillVo00.htm


Enough with the bullshit fairy tale land stories . . . . .

[Simply Red]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

http://i63.tinypic.com/27wt4rc.jpg

[Rain Man]

The Broncos benched Von Miller for being totally ineffective against Patrick Mahomes II. That's what I remember.

[Coogs]

USA Today ranks the Chiefs' QB situation as #25, partially due to the backup situation but also Mahomes being "boom or bust".



I expect he'll have a few early wins then hit a wall in his first season while he learns how to adjust to NFL-speed defenses. 7-9.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/05/nfl-quarterback-rankings-siutation-backup-2018-draft-eagles-packers-patriots-carson-wentz-nick-foles

Have you seen our schedule. First six games can't get much tougher. If he wins a few early, he ain't hitting a wall.

[Mile High Mania]

The Broncos benched Von Miller for being totally ineffective against Patrick Mahomes II. That's what I remember.

ROFL:clap: Well played, sir.

[Mile High Mania]

Did Von Miller play the whole game? Of course not. But this narrative that the starters all rested and the backups played most of the game is pure made up B.S.

Specifically, regarding Miller, there were 66 offensive snaps by the Chiefs and Miller was on the field for 33 of them.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MillVo00.htm


Enough with the bullshit fairy tale land stories . . . . .

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201712310den.htm

It's funny this is still being debated... but, I guess that's just where we are in the offseason, stuck in a hellish loop over the one lone game of data with Mahomes.

Anyway, link above shows all the details you need. Miller did play quite a bit, not so much for Harris and Talib.

[RealSNR]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201712310den.htm



It's funny this is still being debated... but, I guess that's just where we are in the offseason, stuck in a hellish loop over the one lone game of data with Mahomes.



Anyway, link above shows all the details you need. Miller did play quite a bit, not so much for Harris and Talib.



Tell your idiot fucking inbred friend Tombstone to quit acting like the evidence is on his side, then

[jjchieffan]

Tell your idiot ****ing inbred friend Tombstone to quit acting like the evidence is on his side, then

Ah, can you blame him, really? I mean, if your team lost, at home, to a rookie quarterback on his first start, with nothing but backups against several starters, and a division rivals, wouldn't you be trying to make excuses too? Nobody wants to admit that their team is that bad. Especially a bunch of entitled Donk fans.

[Chiefs Moon]

What highly drafted QB isn't "boom or bust"?

[Rausch]

No, Chad Henne does not count as a solid backup.

I actually think he is a respectable b/u QB.

If you have a b/u that can go .500 over a 4 game stretch and keep you in the playoff hunt you've got one of the better b/u QB's in the NFL right now...

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I actually think he is a respectable b/u QB.

If you have a b/u that can go .500 over a 4 game stretch and keep you in the playoff hunt you've got one of the better b/u QB's in the NFL right now...

Henne isn’t great but if he has the full stable of weapons out there with him, he can probably win you some games. Has a solid deep ball.

Hopefully we never have to find out about him in real game action.

[Talisman]

I love...that...Patty...beat the Bronco's starters
Me too.

[Mike in SW-MO]

Henne isn’t great but if he has the full stable of weapons out there with him, he can probably win you some games. Has a solid deep ball.

Hopefully we never have to find out about him in real game action.

Scariest thing is zero qb experience in Reid's system except the starter. Who has 1 year.

So the offense will be dumbed down for any games Pat is out.

[carcosa]

I guess beating a top 5 defense on the road w/ 2nd and 3rd stringers to work with means nothing.

BOOM!!!!!!

[O.city]

I don't know that he'll really bust, Reid is too good at getting guys in good spots.

But he could not really develop into a consistent guy. Hot and cold etc.

[lawrenceRaider]

I expect Mahomes to be a good one, which probably means y'all are screwed.

[ptlyon]

Scariest thing is zero qb experience in Reid's system except the starter. Who has 1 year.

So the offense will be dumbed down for any games Pat is out.

Eh, I don't know. Our offense has a ton of playmakers.

Just get the ball in the hands of the playmakers and sit back and eat a balogna sandwich.

[Hydrae]

Eh, I don't know. Our offense has a ton of playmakers.

Just get the ball in the hands of the playmakers and sit back and eat a balogna sandwich.

With Miracle Whip!

[ptlyon]

With Miracle Whip!

Damn right!

[Halfcan]

Mahomes will Bust... bust balls of every team we play.

These dumb assessments will be fun to read a year from now after Mahomes kicks ass deep into the playoffs.

[TEX]

Mahomes will Bust... bust balls of every team we play.

These dumb assessments will be fun to read a year from now after Mahomes kicks ass deep into the playoffs.

Exactly - IF he were drafted by some media darling team, he'd be all BOOM!

[Rain Man]

Exactly - IF he were drafted by some media darling team, he'd be all BOOM!

My hope is that the NFL will quickly see their future and turn the Chiefs into their media darling.

[Easy 6]

Welcome to The Boomtown

[New World Order]

I expect Mahomes to be a good one, which probably means y'all are screwed.

What does this even mean

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

I'm sure Mahomes will be great, so I expect to be hit by a bus sometime in August.

[Halfcan]

Exactly - IF he were drafted by some media darling team, he'd be all BOOM!

Yep, Great post.

What would the narrative be if the Patriots had moved up to draft Mahomes- then let him study behind Brady for a year, Brady gets traded and Mahomes was taking over?

:hmmm:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Will the horse shit ever end?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Will the horse shit ever end?

No. It will be stacked up a mile high with Keesum at the helm.

[Imon Yourside]

I think a 3rd grader could write a better list, there are some serious head scratchers in there. Not even worth a 2nd look or describing the stupidity.

[KChiefs1]

:rolleyes:



I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.



LMAO

[KChiefs1]

Another great thread.

[scho63]

This guy left town right after we won Super Bowl so he was obviously a fan of either the Broncos, Raiders, Chargers or maybe the Pats.

With a name like Crowbar, that's sounds like a Raiders fan for sure.

[PHOG]

I would say he is Boom! BOOM!BOOM! :clap:

[DRM08]

Bronco fans in this thread. LMAO

[Coochie liquor]

Tomb-y, lmao! Has Dungver beaten Mahomes yet?? Lmao

[Chiefaholic]

Yeah... I'm starting to lean toward that Mahomes MIGHT become a respectable QB in the league one day. What an awesome time to be a Chiefs fan.

[Pitt Gorilla]

its hard to put a number on this

he is a work in progress...by everyone's account

if he reaches his potential....it could send the chiefs into the upper echelon of teams for years

if he busts, well...we are the chiefs still for the next 5+ years

its probably going to take 2-3 years to really know what we have here.....so how to you put some number on it for next year?

I wouldnt put it as low as 25 but you HAVE to give some downside to the tremendous risks involved ......I'd say in the middle somehwhere with a massive upside potential but also a disastrous downside if it doesnt pan out.
I assume you meant 2-3 games.

[Halfcan]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Mahomes has "barely" beaten you guys 5 times in a row now. :doh!:

[Halfcan]

Mahomes will Bust... bust balls of every team we play.

These dumb assessments will be fun to read a year from now after Mahomes kicks ass deep into the playoffs.

;)

[Mama Hip Rockets]

if Mahomes is all the talent that so many pretend that he is

ROFL

[Bowser]

Two years later and every AFC West team is drafting players with the sole intention of overtaking Mahomes and the Chiefs.

[St. Patty's Fire]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Five straight losses later LMAO

[Chiefshrink]

Five straight losses later LMAO

One more win over the Broncos makes it 5 straight years without a loss to Denver. :thumb:

[RINGLEADER]

In for the Boom

[Sorce]

I guess they were right in doubting Henne if Mahomes went down.

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[Coogs]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

It was 24-10 when Mahomes went out of the game. That's not barely. If the Bronco's would have won, Bray would have been their MVP of the game.

[Bowser]

It was 24-10 when Mahomes went out of the game. That's not barely. If the Bronco's would have won, Bray would have been their MVP of the game.

Just throw Paxton Lynch in their faces, lol.

[Bearcat]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

https://i.imgur.com/L17FW2m.gif

[Bowser]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Start at :41

https://youtu.be/Mao5JixCtw8

[BigRedChief]

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[King_Chief_Fan]

One more win over the Broncos makes it 5 straight years without a loss to Denver. :thumb:

I think of it as 5 years of owning the Donks

[CasselGotPeedOn]

CrowbarLoser hasn't even posted since before the Super Bowl, and then before that was the Rams game from 2018, which just happens to be Patrick's only semi bad game. What a pathetic existence that loser must live.

[Rasputin]

Busts


He will have a Busts at Canton Ohio HOF.

[Lzen]

:rolleyes:

I love the consistent double standard chef fans have for that game. Patty didn't beat the Bronco's starters, he barely won against the Broncos 2nd and 3rd stringers.

This narrative needs to be addressed because it is just not factual. I seem to recall a few starters in there. Also worth mentioning is the fact that Mahomes had a bunch of backups around him, as well.

The game log credits Talib, Chris Harris, and Roby all with at least 1 tackle. Brandon Marshall had 4. They may not have played the entire game but they did play some.

https://www.nfl.com/games/chiefs-at-broncos-2017-reg-17