Why are so many national writers so high on the Chargers?

[TLO]

Flavor of the off-season or are the Chargers a legit Super Bowl contender.

Let's discuss in here.

[Halfcan]

I think based on the NFL's trend to gift a SB win to aging QB's (The Manning legacy) the Chargers will win one before Rivers retires.

[Bowser]

The NFL needs them to make the Super Bowl to both boost ticket sales and justify having them there in LA. Can't let all those potential fans NOT spend their monies on the NFL!

[O.city]

They should be good?

[saphojunkie]

Melvin Gordon is really good. So is Keenan Evans. So is Joey Bosa. So is Melvin Ingram.

They have a lot of flashy pieces and a damn good low-stakes QB. Rivers is really really good... until the pressure gets too much, and he somehow manages to fold. Dude just doesn't show an ability to turn it up when it's all on the line.

[DaFace]

The media has been high on the Chargers for like the past 5 years. Until they actually show they can close games out, I'm not gonna worry about them much.

[lawrenceRaider]

Because every couple years the Chargers show some sign of improvement and writers decide that this will be the year they actually improve year to year. Followed by everyone remembering that Rivers is Rivers and the Chargers crap the bed.

[chiefforlife]

They were a kicker away from being good last year. I think they will make the playoffs for sure.

[Ming the Merciless]

well , in fairness ..its not JUST writers....its also vegas odds have the chargers as favorites to win the division....


If enough people put money on other teams like the chiefs , broncos or raiders...then the odds would change..but as of now they havent.


as divisions go the AFC west could be one of the tightest divisions (odds wise) to start off the season..I think it is THE closest one....


The AFC south is pretty tight too....


But anyway, I dont buy the fact this is some type of collusion by the NFL who pushes these stories out to writers....at all.


I mean real people are betting on this, and the money is bearing it out so far......at least from what I can tell.

[DaFace]

They were a kicker away from being good last year. I think they will make the playoffs for sure.

If you need a kicker to be "good," you're not good enough.

[Buckweath]

I do feel they are overhyped a bit but make no mistake, the Chargers are a strong team.

I must say I am a bit baffled to see so many analysts crowning them as AFC West champions to be.

I can somewhat understand because of the fact that Mahomes is unproven but if he is even close to the hype, I think the Chiefs are the better team.

The Raiders have a chance too.

[Chiefnj2]

2 big name pass rushers and a known QB = media coverage.

[Chief Roundup]

They won 6 of their last 7 at the end of last season. They have a QB that is proven. They have a good defense. They are returning most of their players and the entire coaching staff. So little turnover creates more continuity. They had a good draft too.
The Chiefs have a new unproven OC and QB and our D is maybe middle of the road.
The Donkos have a QB that has had one good year and a coaching staff that is mediocre at best.
The Faiders have a new HC that has been away from the game for a while and has signed a bunch of aged veterans that are done and likely wont make it through the season.


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[Buckweath]

They were a kicker away from being good last year. I think they will make the playoffs for sure.
Sure but I don't think it was a matter of kicker last year at the end of the season when the playoffs were on the line and the Chiefs kicked their butt, once more.

[Priest31kc]

I think their schedule has some to do with them being favored too. Much easier schedule than the Chiefs.

[Ming the Merciless]

I must say I am a bit baffled to see so many analysts crowning them as AFC West champions to be.

..

The Raiders have a chance too.


the whole division is pretty wide open, according to the actual odds...


theres not even a real clear favorite with the chargers having about a 33% chance and the raiders maybe around 28% and the donks 25% and us even just taking the scraps leaves us with a decent shot at it


anyone who is 'crowning them champs' does not understand math...they are VERY slight favorites in a tough , wildly close division

[The Franchise]

Melvin Gordon is really good. So is Keenan Evans. So is Joey Bosa. So is Melvin Ingram.

They have a lot of flashy pieces and a damn good low-stakes QB. Rivers is really really good... until the pressure gets too much, and he somehow manages to fold. Dude just doesn't show an ability to turn it up when it's all on the line.

Who is Keenan Evans?

[big nasty kcnut]

chargers will show flashes of greatness then crash and burn again.

[Randallflagg]

Why? It's the offseason....they print enough crap to keep people reading.

[Ming the Merciless]

Who is Keenan Evans?


keenan ivoray evans allen wayans

[RunKC]

Because they have the best team on paper in the division.

[BossChief]

If they stay healthy, they should be able to have a shot in every game they play.

Unfortunately, team health has killed them the last couple years.

[ModSocks]

Melvin Gordon is really good. So is Keenan Evans. So is Joey Bosa. So is Melvin Ingram.

.

Melvin Gordon sucks. Dude hasn't broken 4.0 YPC in his career yet.

Keenan Allen can barely finish a season.

Philip Rivers, though i'm a fan of the man, his play on the field is below average. Dude hasn't been the Philip Rivers people know for about the last 5 years now.

The defense is legit. And sure they have some nice pieces. But they're still the Chargers. The Chargers are the epitome of perpetual mediocrity.

[sedated]

Who is Keenan Evans?

Former Texas Tech hoops player.

Maybe they are gonna make him a WR.

[sedated]

I don't see why they shouldn't get any hype. Legit defense and an offense with dangerous weapons and a borderline HOF QB.

[Marcellus]

Isn't this what is predicted every single year? Then they end up the most talented 8-8 team ever.

[ModSocks]

a borderline HOF QB.

Yeah....idk about that one. That's a stretch.

[ModSocks]

Isn't this what is predicted every single year? Then they end up the most talented 8-8 team ever.

Exactly. I still remember the immediate post Marty, Norv years. The Chargers, yearly, were pronounced the "Best team to not make the playoffs!" by the national media. LMAO

[MahiMike]

I see these games as our most exciting. 5 turnovers between Rivers and mahomes then 2 scores in the final minutes. We win of course..

[BossChief]

GMFB was doing a bit a couple weeks ago where they started it off with “this is the time of the year we talk about the Chargers winning their division”

I laughed.

[DaFace]

Yeah....idk about that one. That's a stretch.

Yeah, I'd love to know how many HOF QBs there are who have never even played in a Super Bowl. Rivers has longevity with a team going for him, but beyond that he's really just another mediocre QB.

EDIT: There are actually quite a few, so who knows? Maybe he'll make it in.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-best-quarterbacks-to-never-win-a-super-bowl-2012-1

[alpha_omega]

2 big name pass rushers and a known QB = media coverage.

That was my first thought as well.

[DJJasonp]

If only they had a head coach that didnt routinely get clown-shoes put on him by opposing head coaches.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I think they have a great roster, potentially even better than KC--but until they actually beat the Chiefs, people need to shut the **** up about them being the favorites.

They've lost the last EIGHT times. They blew a massive lead against them. Got whooped last September and then no-showed in a division championship game (essentially) last December.

Not to mention, Andy >>> Lynn.

[staylor26]

Melvin Gordon is really good.So is Keenan Evans. So is Joey Bosa. So is Melvin Ingram.

They have a lot of flashy pieces and a damn good low-stakes QB. Rivers is really really good... until the pressure gets too much, and he somehow manages to fold. Dude just doesn't show an ability to turn it up when it's all on the line.

I agree with all of that except the bold. He’s averaged under 4 YPC in both of his first two seasons. He’s been average at best.

[Eleazar]

They are now in a major media market, so the media is hyping them

[O.city]

It's interesting to me that all the talk was about how the Chiefs couldn't win anything of note with Alex and the others in the division were better, yet now that they've moved away from alex he's actually used as an excuse as to why they'll under achieve.

[BleedingRed]

L.A.


It's the only reason, especially since the RAM's are going to come crashing down........

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I'm really happy that we play them week 1. That game is going to be big time.

With little to no tape out there on our offense, will they game plan properly to stop KC? What kind of boxes will Mahomes face? Will they single cover Watkins all game? Etc. etc.

[sedated]

Yeah....idk about that one. That's a stretch.

Rivers is 9th all time in passing yards, one in front of Warren Moon (HOF) and a few spots behind Dan Marino (HOF), neither played in a SB.

On the flip side, he's not too far ahead of Carson Palmer (12), Vinny Testaverde (13), Drew Bledsoe (14), and Kerry Collins (17).

[ModSocks]

Rivers is 9th all time in passing yards, one in front of Warren Moon (HOF) and a few spots behind Dan Marino (HOF), neither played in a SB.

On the flip side, he's not too far ahead of Carson Palmer (12), Vinny Testaverde (13), Drew Bledsoe (14), and Kerry Collins (17).

9th all time is not HoF type numbers. HoF numbers are generally record breaking type numbers at their time.

At no point has Rivers ever been in that category. Warren Moon was crushing NFL records in his time.

"In 1990, Moon led the league with 4,689 passing yards. He also led the league in attempts (584), completions (362), and touchdowns (33), and tied Dan Marino's record with nine 300-yard games in a season. That included throwing for 527 yards against Kansas City on December 16, 1990, the second-most passing yards ever in a single game.[15] The following year, he again led the league in passing yards, with 4,690. At the same time, he joined Marino and Dan Fouts as the only quarterbacks to post back-to-back 4,000-yard seasons. Moon also established new NFL records that season with 655 attempts and 404 completions."

[RunKC]

With little to no tape out there on our offense, will they game plan properly to stop KC? What kind of boxes will Mahomes face? Will they single cover Watkins all game? Etc. etc.

Well they can’t leave Tyreek in single coverage. We know that much..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bas3wGenlY

Notice that play was what Pat ran in week 17 with 5 wide. How will teams stop that? LMAO

[ModSocks]

As one analyst once put it:

"What was Philip Rivers' defining, HOF moment?"

...pssst....he doesn't have one.

[JakeF]

After Carr's injury last year Rivers is the only proven QB in the division.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Well they can’t leave Tyreek in single coverage. We know that much..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bas3wGenlY

Notice that play was what Pat ran in week 17 with 5 wide. How will teams stop that? LMAO

If its even possible, this offense is going to wear us out with deep balls I think. And they should, because most teams just don't have the dudes to match up.

Gonna see a LOT of zone coverages.

[ModSocks]

After Carr's injury last year Rivers is the only proven QB in the division.

Proven that he's not clutch....

In a game in which the Chargers were hot and the Chiefs were reeling, with playoff implications on the line, Rivers came in and threw 3 ghastly interceptions to basically end the Chargers season.

Time after time Rivers has proven to be one of the least clutch QB's in today's NFL. Hell, maybe ever.

Remember the Halloween goal line fumble? :facepalm: the list goes on and on.

[Flying High D]

Who is Keenan Evans?

Keenan evanescence

[tooge]

They won 6 of their last 7 at the end of last season. They have a QB that is proven. They have a good defense. They are returning most of their players and the entire coaching staff. So little turnover creates more continuity. They had a good draft too.
The Chiefs have a new unproven OC and QB and our D is maybe middle of the road.
The Donkos have a QB that has had one good year and a coaching staff that is mediocre at best.
The Faiders have a new HC that has been away from the game for a while and has signed a bunch of aged veterans that are done and likely wont make it through the season.


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Pretty much this

[HemiEd]

They are now in a major media market, so the media is hyping them

There it is.

If the Chargers and the Rams both have some success, like they should, the NFL splooge will engulf the entire planet.

[Rausch]

Honestly the Chargers have probably done the best job in the draft (AFCW) over the last 3 years.

They have very few weak areas...

[Hydrae]

Proven that he's not clutch....

In a game in which the Chargers were hot and the Chiefs were reeling, with playoff implications on the line, Rivers came in and threw 3 ghastly interceptions to basically end the Chargers season.

Time after time Rivers has proven to be one of the least clutch QB's in today's NFL. Hell, maybe ever.

Remember the Halloween goal line fumble? :facepalm: the list goes on and on.

At the very least Rivers is the most fun meltdown in the league! :deevee:

[ModSocks]

At the very least Rivers is the most fun meltdown in the league! :deevee:

Meltdown sounds about right. People love/hate him because he's emotional on the field. Problem is, that emotion lends itself to erratic play when the pressure gets high.

The 3 interceptions he threw last season against KC were the type of throws you'd be mad at a rookie making. That was essentially a playoff game for the Chargers. And he melted down completely.

[Buckweath]

Honestly the Chargers have probably done the best job in the draft (AFCW) over the last 3 years.

They have very few weak areas...
Again, the disrespect to John Dorsey.

The Chiefs have drafted better than the Chargers over the last 3 years and this couldn't even be a discussion at all if not for their #3rd overall pick Joey Bosa.

Here's a list of notable players drafted by the Chiefs over the last 3 years:

- Marcus Peters
- Mitch Morse
- Chris Conley
- Steven Nelson
- Chris Jones
- Demarcus Robinson
- Tyreek Hill
- Patrick Mahomes
- Kareem Hunt

The Chiefs as we know have not had any high pick lately.

[ModSocks]

Again, the disrespect to John Dorsey.

The Chiefs have drafted better than the Chargers over the last 3 years and this couldn't even be a discussion at all if not for their #3rd overall pick Joey Bosa.

The Chiefs as we know have not had any high pick lately.

And then having a Derwin James fall right into their lap. "Oh here's our biggest need and probably the best player at his position".

And Melvin Gordon still sucks. IDC what anyone says. Dude has a career avg of 3.9ypc.

[Ming the Merciless]

It's interesting to me that all the talk was about how the Chiefs couldn't win anything of note with Alex and the others in the division were better, yet now that they've moved away from alex he's actually used as an excuse as to why they'll under achieve.


so many things wrong with such a short post


if you actually knew anything about your own team , you would know that 'moving away from alex' is much lower on the totem pole of reasons we wont win as many games next year.....than say...blowing up the defense.....


also, i dont buy the argument anyway that you stick with a middling QB to avoid some inevitable growing pains of what is essentially a 1st year starter...


of course mahomes will make some mistakes that alex wouldnt have...this year....but his future ceiling is why we got him...not to win 9 or 10 games instead of 8 and fizzle out in the playoffs again...and furthermore thats NOT under achieving..thats kind of a given with a guy who has played 1 NFL game that was essentially meaningless.


and by the way we never won anything 'of note' with alex nor would we ever have...but we might with mahomes and that IS why we got him



jesus

[Rausch]

Again, the disrespect to John Dorsey.

Absolutely.

John Dorsey did not have a lot of success with early round picks. Look at where the talent on this team came from.

The Chiefs have drafted better than the Chargers over the last 3 years and this couldn't even be a discussion at all if not for their #3rd overall pick Joey Bosa.


Whut?

[Buckweath]

I'll say this. The Chargers front 7 is either overrated or people just don't realize that it is not so strong. Obviously, they have great players in Bosa and Ingram but for the rest, they are not even in the same planet as teams like Minnesota, the Rams, Jacksonville, etc.

I like the Chiefs front 7 better than the Chargers', going into next season.

Plus, Liuget is suspended for 4 games. I am really not sure that defense will be as good as some say. Their secondary is very good though, sure.

[O.city]

so many things wrong with such a short post


if you actually knew anything about your own team , you would know that 'moving away from alex' is much lower on the totem pole of reasons we wont win as many games next year.....than say...blowing up the defense.....


also, i dont buy the argument anyway that you stick with a middling QB to avoid some inevitable growing pains of what is essentially a 1st year starter...


of course mahomes will make some mistakes that alex wouldnt have...this year....but his future ceiling is why we got him...not to win 9 or 10 games instead of 8 and fizzle out in the playoffs again...and furthermore thats NOT under achieving..thats kind of a given with a guy who has played 1 NFL game that was essentially meaningless.


and by the way we never won anything 'of note' with alex nor would we ever have...but we might with mahomes and that IS why we got him



jesus

Well, for one, I'm talking about the media.

And you completely misinterpreted my post.

[Nickhead]

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[sedated]

9th all time is not HoF type numbers. HoF numbers are generally record breaking type numbers at their time.

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing yards are, or will be, in the HOF. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing TDs are, or will be, in the HOF. Rivers is 6th. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

I'm not saying Rivers is a lock, but to say it's not even borderline seems a bit biased.

[lawrenceRaider]

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing yards are, or will be, in the HOF. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing TDs are, or will be, in the HOF. Rivers is 6th. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

I'm not saying Rivers is a lock, but to say it's not even borderline seems a bit biased.

Rivers a HOFer? If it happens, then HOF will truly mean nothing.

[Ming the Merciless]

Well, for one, I'm talking about the media.

And you completely misinterpreted my post.


which media said mahomes would under achieve this season?


that wasn't your take? because that seems your opinion....

[ThaVirus]

keenan ivoray evans allen wayans

"Message!"

[CrossCheck]

They have some nice pieces but............ they were 2-5 against teams 500 or better last year, beating the 9-7 Bills and the 9-7 Elliottless Cowboys.
their 9 wins came against teams with a combined 50-94 record......woo...whooo

and they were fairly healthy
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg/2017_injuries.htm

[wazu]

Rivers a HOFer? If it happens, then HOF will truly mean nothing.

Already the case. Bettis is in.

[wazu]

After this season Rivers will easily be 7th all time in passing yards. He’s already 6th all time in passing TDs.

[Halfcan]

Rivers is 9th all time in passing yards, one in front of Warren Moon (HOF) and a few spots behind Dan Marino (HOF), neither played in a SB.

On the flip side, he's not too far ahead of Carson Palmer (12), Vinny Testaverde (13), Drew Bledsoe (14), and Kerry Collins (17).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XIX

Marino's lone SB appearance was tarnished by a lopsided loss.

If you put Marino on those loaded San Fran teams- they would have would 10 SuperBowls.

[Halfcan]

Rivers would be one of the last NFL QB's I would want with the game on the line in the SuperBowl. He has more choke jobs than signature wins in his career.

[Rain Man]

I'm curious about the Chargers as well. Maybe it's just habit, but I never view the Chargers as being relevant.

If I was to step outside my Chiefs fandom for a moment and think about how a national writer might view the division, starting at the top last year.

1. Chiefs (10-6 in 2017). Not knowing the Chiefs, I'd probably conclude that they're starting a young quarterback and that their quarterback last year was statistically very effective. I'd see that they didn't have a first-round pick this year, so they may have lost some ground in the offseason, especially by giving away Peters, and I'd see that the defense was not ranked very high to cover up for a young quarterback's mistakes.

The error in this thinking is what we all know. This offense is a powder keg that was held back by conservative quarterback play last year. We've actually seen Patrick Mahomes II play on an NFL level, and we know what he's going to add. Also, the defense is getting younger and faster, and hopefully ridding itself of low-effort guys, but who are we kidding? Defense won't matter when Mahomes is revving full-throttle.

2. Chargers (9-7 in 2017). A national writer will see the most experienced quarterback in the division who routinely produces a lot of yards, and a couple of established pass rushers. They'll see that the Chargers lost most of their draft class to injury last year, so they'll effectively introduce two drafts this year. A national writer will conclude that they'll improve.

The error in this thinking is that Rivers doesn't have the "it" factor. He hasn't had a team above 9-7 in a decade, and their new coach is going to hit the wall this year as other teams get film on his tendencies. The Chargers are an injury-prone team (which is likely something baked into their risk-taking), so they'll always lose players to injuries at a higher rate. Other than Joey Bosa, who is legit, guys like Melvin Ingram and Melvin Gordon look good only because they're the best talent on the team. They're not great players when you look across the league. Gordon has not had a season averaging 4.0 ypc, and Ingram tops out at 10 sacks per year, which doesn't wow anyone.

3. Raiders (6-10 in 2017). A national writer will see Derek Carr and presume success. The Raiders tend to find some big names in free agency, so they get media attention.

The error in this thinking is that Carr is above average, but not great, and he has no talent around him. Their free agents are has-beens like Marshawn Lynch and Jordy Nelson who don't scare teams any more. And their defense has holes everywhere you look.

4. Broncos (5-11 in 2017). If you're a national writer, you might ascribe all of the blame to the quarterback situation, and a fair amount does belong there. Adding Casey Kasem at quarterback brings them up from abysmal to adequate at that position. Also, it appears that Denver drafted more out of a draft magazine this year than relying on their scouts, as it seems that they took more low-risk players. So if you assume that there's a big bump at the QB position, maybe you see them going higher than 5-11.

This thinking is wrong, of course, because they continue to lose talent on defense, and their quarterback is a stopgap. Their receivers are getting lethargic, they have no running game, and the worst OL in the business. Will they beat 5-11? Not likely.

[Buckweath]

It is a fallacy to say that the Chiefs had conservative QB play last year. You need to watch the games.

I don't expect Mahomes to be as good as Smith was last year overall but I expect him to be more clutch and not disappear when it matters. Well that might be considered better but you get my point.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

They have some nice pieces but............ they were 2-5 against teams 500 or better last year, beating the 9-7 Bills and the 9-7 Elliottless Cowboys.
their 9 wins came against teams with a combined 50-94 record......woo...whooo

and they were fairly healthy
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg/2017_injuries.htm


This right here says a lot

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

It is a fallacy to say that the Chiefs had conservative QB play last year. You need to watch the games.

I don't expect Mahomes to be as good as Smith was last year overall but I expect him to be more clutch and not disappear when it matters. Well that might be considered better but you get my point.

I'd bet anything Mahomes will have more TDs, Yards and ints than smith did last year.

[Halfcan]

I'm curious about the Chargers as well. Maybe it's just habit, but I never view the Chargers as being relevant.

If I was to step outside my Chiefs fandom for a moment and think about how a national writer might view the division, starting at the top last year.

1. Chiefs (10-6 in 2017). Not knowing the Chiefs, I'd probably conclude that they're starting a young quarterback and that their quarterback last year was statistically very effective. I'd see that they didn't have a first-round pick this year, so they may have lost some ground in the offseason, especially by giving away Peters, and I'd see that the defense was not ranked very high to cover up for a young quarterback's mistakes.

The error in this thinking is what we all know. This offense is a powder keg that was held back by conservative quarterback play last year. We've actually seen Patrick Mahomes II play on an NFL level, and we know what he's going to add. Also, the defense is getting younger and faster, and hopefully ridding itself of low-effort guys, but who are we kidding? Defense won't matter when Mahomes is revving full-throttle.

2. Chargers (9-7 in 2017). A national writer will see the most experienced quarterback in the division who routinely produces a lot of yards, and a couple of established pass rushers. They'll see that the Chargers lost most of their draft class to injury last year, so they'll effectively introduce two drafts this year. A national writer will conclude that they'll improve.

The error in this thinking is that Rivers doesn't have the "it" factor. He hasn't had a team above 9-7 in a decade, and their new coach is going to hit the wall this year as other teams get film on his tendencies. The Chargers are an injury-prone team (which is likely something baked into their risk-taking), so they'll always lose players to injuries at a higher rate. Other than Joey Bosa, who is legit, guys like Melvin Ingram and Melvin Gordon look good only because they're the best talent on the team. They're not great players when you look across the league. Gordon has not had a season averaging 4.0 ypc, and Ingram tops out at 10 sacks per year, which doesn't wow anyone.

3. Raiders (6-10 in 2017). A national writer will see Derek Carr and presume success. The Raiders tend to find some big names in free agency, so they get media attention.

The error in this thinking is that Carr is above average, but not great, and he has no talent around him. Their free agents are has-beens like Marshawn Lynch and Jordy Nelson who don't scare teams any more. And their defense has holes everywhere you look.

4. Broncos (5-11 in 2017). If you're a national writer, you might ascribe all of the blame to the quarterback situation, and a fair amount does belong there. Adding Casey Kasem at quarterback brings them up from abysmal to adequate at that position. Also, it appears that Denver drafted more out of a draft magazine this year than relying on their scouts, as it seems that they took more low-risk players. So if you assume that there's a big bump at the QB position, maybe you see them going higher than 5-11.

This thinking is wrong, of course, because they continue to lose talent on defense, and their quarterback is a stopgap. Their receivers are getting lethargic, they have no running game, and the worst OL in the business. Will they beat 5-11? Not likely.

:clap: I wish I could Positive Rep you 10 times for this post.

[sedated]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XIX

Marino's lone SB appearance was tarnished by a lopsided loss.

Can't believe I forgot about that.

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[ModSocks]

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing yards are, or will be, in the HOF. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

All the QBs in the top 10 in passing TDs are, or will be, in the HOF. Rivers is 6th. (Unless Rivers is the only outlier)

I'm not saying Rivers is a lock, but to say it's not even borderline seems a bit biased.

As a San Diegan, i've watched him his whole career. He's a perennial choker. For years i lectured CPers not to sleep on Rivers.

But it's time to call a spade a spade. The dude has not been good in awhile. The Rivers that people have in there heads is long gone. I haven't seen that QB in a long time. No bias here.

It's just been a long time since he performed like a winning QB.

The Rivers/HOF debate is something that was a popular topic in SD. Years ago, i agreed that he had a HOF type career path. But these last several years have not amounted to anything. He's regressed IMO.

Again, what is Rivers' HOF moment?

What big game did he win?

What was his memorable, heroic moment?

He's a QB with a losing record, and in his era wasn't BREAKING records. The other stat guys you mentioned were game changers in their era. Rivers is not.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I’m sorry, I just think it’s a joke that people crown the Chargers as favorites when they haven’t beaten an Andy Reid led Chiefs team since 2013 when all backups played. They won that in overtime, too. :facepalm:

[Best22]

"If only the Chargers had a kicker!"

Yeah right. That guy missed one field goal, the other was blocked

Fact that people don't want to admit is that if LACk had beaten KC just once, Chargers would have been in the playoffs while KC would have been at home twiddling their thumbs

[Halfcan]

Can't believe I forgot about that.

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I think a lot of people forget about how great Marino was. He didn't just break records, he destroyed them.

That year he played Montana in the SB was his 2nd year in the NFL.

It will be Mahomes 2nd year.

Marino had one of the greatest years ever for a QB but ultimately came up short in the big game against Montana- who was also a Chief.

Mahomes is a Chief.

Marino had a pair of stud receivers that were nearly impossible to cover and a suspect defense.

Mahomes will have a pair of ultra speedy receivers and a possible suspect defense.

Marino and Montana's last names start with M.

Mahomes last name starts with M.

Montana and Marino both had great coaches that helped their career.

Mahomes also has a coach that many consider great- that has helped him.

Marino was interviewed in the draft by the Chiefs.

Mahomes was also interviewed by the Chiefs.

And lastly- Marino has stated that Mahomes "Looks like me-with better wheels."

[Rain Man]

I think a lot of people forget about how great Marino was. He didn't just break records, he destroyed them.

That year he played Montana in the SB was his 2nd year in the NFL.

It will be Mahomes 2nd year.

Marino had one of the greatest years ever for a QB but ultimately came up short in the big game against Montana- who was also a Chief.

Mahomes is a Chief.

Marino had a pair of stud receivers that were nearly impossible to cover and a suspect defense.

Mahomes will have a pair of ultra speedy receivers and a possible suspect defense.

Marino and Montana's last names start with M.

Mahomes last name starts with M.

Montana and Marino both had great coaches that helped their career.

Mahomes also has a coach that many consider great- that has helped him.

Marino was interviewed in the draft by the Chiefs.

Mahomes was also interviewed by the Chiefs.

And lastly- Marino has stated that Mahomes "Looks like me-with better wheels."


Mahomes was drafted in a year where the Chiefs took a QB in the top ten, and Marino was drafted in a year where the Chiefs took a QB in the top ten.

Patrick Mahomes II is jersey number 15. 15 - II = 13 = Dan Marino's jersey number.

Mahomes was drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs. Marino was drafted by the Kansas City Royals.

[ChiefGator]

Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln! Coincidence?

[O.city]

which media said mahomes would under achieve this season?


that wasn't your take? because that seems your opinion....

Seems a good portion of the media thinks they'll take a step back because of a 2nd year QB etc.

And no it wasn't my opinion, just saying that seems to be what the talking heads are saying.

[RealSNR]

Who is Keenan Evans?

You know... the Good Burger kid who's now on SNL

[Halfcan]

Mahomes was drafted in a year where the Chiefs took a QB in the top ten, and Marino was drafted in a year where the Chiefs took a QB in the top ten.

Patrick Mahomes II is jersey number 15. 15 - II = 13 = Dan Marino's jersey number.

Mahomes was drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs. Marino was drafted by the Kansas City Royals.

Dan Marino JR. is named after his father.

Pat Mahomes 11 is also named after his father.

Dan Marino is Italian and Polish.

Pat Mahomes is biracial.

[Rain Man]

Dan Marino JR. is named after his father.

Pat Mahomes 11 is also named after his father.

Dan Marino is Italian and Polish.

Pat Mahomes is biracial.

Marino was replaced by Damon Huard who was eventually replaced by Patrick Mahomes II (with a few people in between).

[Deberg_1990]

Its clearly The Anthony Lynn factor

[Halfcan]

Marino was a baseball player and decided to play football.

Mahomes was also a baseball player- that fell in love with football and excelled.

Both Qbs were drafted by a Pro ball club- Marino- Royals, Mahomes - Tigers

[ModSocks]

Mahomes has curly hair.

Marino has curly hair.

[Halfcan]

Marino was replaced by Damon Huard who was eventually replaced by Patrick Mahomes II (with a few people in between).

Daniel Marino has 12 letters

Pat Mahomes 11 has 12 letters

Both are known for a strong arm and a quick release.

Both are the oldest sibling in the family.

[Ming the Merciless]

Brett Favre has 10 letters


Pat Mahomes has 10 letters




this shit is getting spooky

[Halfcan]

Mahomes has curly hair.

Marino has curly hair.


Dan Marino's Birthday is September 17

Mahomes Birthday is September 15

Both are Virgo's

[ModSocks]

Brett Favre has 10 letters


Pat Mahomes has 10 letters




this shit is getting spooky

Pat Mahomes has a birth mark on his ass that says "Super".

Tyreek Hill has a birth mark on his ass that says "Bowl".

Kelce has a birth mark on his ass that says "Victory".

It's really starting to feel like destiny.

[Simply Red]

Who is Keenan Evans?

I don't know - but he's good, trust me!

[RealSNR]

I don't know - but he's good, trust me!

Dude's gonna bauce this year

Thank you!

[King_Chief_Fan]

Dan Marino's Birthday is September 17

Mahomes Birthday is September 15

Both are Virgo's

And both dont have a super bowl ring:D

[New World Order]

The NFL has been high on the Chargers since 2006

[BlackHelicopters]

No1curr

[Coogs]

And both dont have a super bowl ring:D

Patience grasshopper!

[Rain Man]

And both dont have a super bowl ring:D

Both went to the Super Bowl in their second year in the league. The similarity will end there, though.

[RunKC]

FWIW Colin Cowherd has us as the 6th best roster. Chargers 2nd even though they aren’t a top 3 roster IMO.

Eagles were first which is true. They’re easily the best roster if Wentz is the same guy.

[KChiefs1]

GMFB was doing a bit a couple weeks ago where they started it off with “this is the time of the year we talk about the Chargers winning their division”

I laughed.



Elway says they are the team to beat.

https://youtu.be/SfN53D08si8

[KChiefs1]

I think they have a great roster, potentially even better than KC--but until they actually beat the Chiefs, people need to shut the **** up about them being the favorites.

They've lost the last EIGHT times. They blew a massive lead against them. Got whooped last September and then no-showed in a division championship game (essentially) last December.

Not to mention, Andy >>> Lynn.



https://youtu.be/rOjIWLwHU0E

[Rain Man]

Elway says they are the team to beat.

https://youtu.be/SfN53D08si8

Elway has proven that he knows nothing about evaluating talent.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Average roster with a stat whore QB. Raiders South.

[Color Red]

Because every couple years the Chargers show some sign of improvement and writers decide that this will be the year they actually improve year to year. Followed by everyone remembering that Rivers is Rivers and the Chargers crap the bed.

No national writer is ever going out of the way to talk off season about the Chiefs because at the end of the day, you are talking about the sum total of the 30th largest metro out there and its team. Throwing talk out there at this furthest point from the season means realistically nothing except possibly ginning up audience interest, and that in second largest market or thereabouts --and that, split with the Rams. Just sell readership, baby.

[Titty Meat]

Their defense is pretty fucking good, they figured out how to not get Rivers to turn it over despite a shit oline and they get 2 of their highly drafted interior lineman back plus they had a kick ass draft this year.

[Titty Meat]

No national writer is ever going out of the way to talk off season about the Chiefs because at the end of the day, you are talking about the sum total of the 30th largest metro out there and its team. Throwing talk out there at this furthest point from the season means realistically nothing except possibly ginning up audience interest, and that in second largest market or thereabouts --and that, split with the Rams. Just sell readership, baby.

The media sucked the Chiefs dick the past few years and love Reid. What are you talking about?

[sully1983]

Yeah I don't get it either. That hot take idiot Colin Cowherd is salivating over them.

Can't wait for Rivers to have his "worst day ever " again

[CoMoChief]

The Chargers have always been paper tigers

just like the current Raiders teams

oh yeah fuck Denver too, they'e gonna be the worst team in the AFCW this season.

[WhiteWhale]

Melvin Gordon sucks. Dude hasn't broken 4.0 YPC in his career yet.

Keenan Allen can barely finish a season.

Philip Rivers, though i'm a fan of the man, his play on the field is below average. Dude hasn't been the Philip Rivers people know for about the last 5 years now.

The defense is legit. And sure they have some nice pieces. But they're still the Chargers. The Chargers are the epitome of perpetual mediocrity.

More like seven years ago.

Shouldn't be too surprising he's not as good without a prime Antonio Gates and Ladainian Tomlinson.

Rivers is a poor man's Peyton Manning. He's an immobile pocket QB that struggles in high pressure situations. Manning always played below his own standard in high pressure/playoff situations, but he was SO ****ing good.

So does Rivers, but he's less good. So often it's bubble games in the regular season. Win and you're in situations, and he'll play a shit game.

Any given sunday in the regular season you better be prepared, because he can put it on you. Unless the playoffs are on the line. Then he'll toss 3 picks.

[WhiteWhale]

https://youtu.be/rOjIWLwHU0E

I literally started laughing when they called Melvin Gordon 'a beast'

5 games he's had 100+ yards.

Only 5 games he's averaged more than 5 yards per carry.

Kareem matched/topped those in 1 season.

Maybe in 1973 you could call a 3.9 YPC back a 'beast', but not when they're always running against DB heavy sub packages.

Gordon sucks.

[eDave]

Elway says they are the team to beat.

https://youtu.be/SfN53D08si8

He's starting to look like Marty.

[Rain Man]

I literally started laughing when they called Melvin Gordon 'a beast'

5 games he's had 100+ yards.

Only 5 games he's averaged more than 5 yards per carry.

Kareem matched/topped those in 1 season.

Maybe in 1973 you could call a 3.9 YPC back a 'beast', but not when they're always running against DB heavy sub packages.

Gordon sucks.


He hasn't hit the 4.0 ypc mark in a season yet. He's only a beast if you consider a sloth to be a beast.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I literally started laughing when they called Melvin Gordon 'a beast'

5 games he's had 100+ yards.

Only 5 games he's averaged more than 5 yards per carry.

Kareem matched/topped those in 1 season.

Maybe in 1973 you could call a 3.9 YPC back a 'beast', but not when they're always running against DB heavy sub packages.

Gordon sucks.

Wow, those are staggering numbers. The dude is basically just a goalline TD machine but pretty much trash besides that.

[Mile High Mania]

The Chargers are not a terrible team when you look at the talent. They appear to have most of the key parts in place to be consistently successful.

Rivers is way more than capable and can rally them - his numbers have been phenomenal for the most part. He is obviously the head of the class in the division right now.

They were 6-2 after the bye and had it not been for that terrible 0-4 start, who knows what would have happend in 2017. Of their 7 losses, two were by 2 points and two were by 3 points... lost twice to KC, once to the Eagles and once to the Jaguars. Chiefs gave them their 2 worst losses.

So, again... solid draft last year, good team and they've made some good moves this offseason/draft. I totally get why there's a lot of love for them. The Raiders are a mystery and I would wager a guess that many are hitting pause on KC because you have a young promising QB with only 1 start and some still question the defense.

Chiefs
@ Bills
@ Rams
49ers
Raiders

That's an interesting opening 5 for them and if they open up with a loss, followed by mishaps on the road... could spell trouble vs a solid 49ers team and then the Raiders.

If they come out of that with 3-4 wins - they would prove worthy of the chatter right now.

[Buck]

I think their defense is hyped up right now. I question the middle linebackers, but elsewhere they seem stacked. If Perryman can stay healthy, they could have an elite defense at all positions.

The offense is good enough to put up 20-24 points a game and this isn't the arena league so that should be enough to win games.

They are also the Chargers so they could easily go 4-12.

[Buckweath]

I think their defense is hyped up right now. I question the middle linebackers, but elsewhere they seem stacked. If Perryman can stay healthy, they could have an elite defense at all positions.

The offense is good enough to put up 20-24 points a game and this isn't the arena league so that should be enough to win games.

They are also the Chargers so they could easily go 4-12.

Their Dline should be good because of Bosa but it is really nothing special (Mebane is old and was ineffective last year, Liuget suspended 4 games and a bunch of backups).

Their OLB opposite Ingram seems like a weakness too.

I'm not even sure their defense will be better than the Chiefs' honestly but I guess I would give them the edge based on the Chiefs' uncertainty at the CB position.

[Quesadilla Joe]

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[WhiteWhale]

Wow, those are staggering numbers. The dude is basically just a goalline TD machine but pretty much trash besides that.

He's a decent receiver out of the backfield and he can be tough on short yardage downs.

Yanno how Kareem Hunt had 3 50+ yard TD's in his first 3 games? 4 plays over 50 yards in total?

How many 50+ yard rushes/receptions do you think Melvin Gordon has?

One. ROFL

854 touches, and he's had one play over 50 yards.

Kareem Hunt had 2 in his rookie debut. A 58 yard rush and a 78 yard reception.

[BlackOp]

Rivers is essentially Stafford at this point...a good stat QB with nothing to show for it. Someone who "might" beat you...but if you are an 8-8 or better team...probably wont.

KC has beaten them 8 times is a row....and Rivers "greatness" has averaged 14 points.

[Halfcan]

Seriously, who would you rather have on your team.

Old Man Rivers and Beast Gordon

or

Mahomes and Hunt

[ClevelandBronco]

I think their defense is hyped up right now. I question the middle linebackers, but elsewhere they seem stacked. If Perryman can stay healthy, they could have an elite defense at all positions.

The offense is good enough to put up 20-24 points a game and this isn't the arena league so that should be enough to win games.

They are also the Chargers so they could easily go 4-12.

Shit, they're the Chargers so they could go 14-2 and lose their only playoff game.

I still can't fathom how Marty pulled that one off.

[loochy]

Shit, they're the Chargers so they could go 14-2 and lose their only playoff game.

I still can't fathom how Marty pulled that one off.

You cant fathom? Really? Dude you're on a Chiefs board. We excel at one and done in the playoffs.
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[ClevelandBronco]

You cant fathom? Really? Dude you're on a Chiefs board. We excel at one and done in the playoffs.
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Yeah, and I grew up a Browns fan. I stared with mouth agape at the TV during the earliest Marty years when he was still developing the rudiments of his style of choking.

Still, 14-2? I mean, maybe it's all some sort of twisted blessing that Marty doesn't remember that shit.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

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Sheesh. I’m sorry, that’s just stupid.

Andy Reid alone should tip a motherfucker off enough to know that our odds are better than that. People must really not believe in Mahomes.

[Best22]

Sheesh. I’m sorry, that’s just stupid.

Andy Reid alone should tip a mother****er off enough to know that our odds are better than that. People must really not believe in Mahomes.

But, but, but, the Raidahs are back!

[KChiefs1]

https://youtu.be/YMWaKJsb5Hw

[Tombstone RJ]

You cant fathom? Really? Dude you're on a Chiefs board. We excel at one and done in the playoffs.
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True dat

[Tombstone RJ]

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Lulzzz but MAHHOMESSS!

[Quesadilla Joe]

Lulzzz but MAHHOMESSS!

LAST PLACE CHIEFS/Tex

[Pasta Little Brioni]

LAST PLACE CHIEFS/Tex

You ARE the last place 2-11 Broncos. Anything else is speculation.

[Bob Dole]

Because LA.

[Halfcan]

Lulzzz but MAHHOMESSS!

I actually think it is a good thing the Chiefs are flying under everyone's radar.

Chargers have been given the division, even though they have not beaten the Chiefs in over 4 years. The Raiders are media darlings now they have lured Chuckie out of retirement with an insane contract- and the Donks have been declared to have the 85 Bears Defense now they have Chubby.

Chiefs have received little to no good press. According to the media-we will be trotting out an inexperienced wobble launcher at QB, have a swiss cheese defense and an over-paid often hurt receiver in Watkins.

I guess everyone has forgotten who won the division back to back?

[Titty Meat]

Yeah, and I grew up a Browns fan. I stared with mouth agape at the TV during the earliest Marty years when he was still developing the rudiments of his style of choking.

Still, 14-2? I mean, maybe it's all some sort of twisted blessing that Marty doesn't remember that shit.

Remember how they lost it? Truly some Chiefs shit.

[ThaVirus]

Rivers is essentially Stafford at this point...a good stat QB with nothing to show for it. Someone who "might" beat you...but if you are an 8-8 or better team...probably wont.

KC has beaten them 8 times is a row....and Rivers "greatness" has averaged 14 points.

Stafford is actually pretty clutch according to some metrics. Rivers wilts under pressure.

[GoChargers]

The LA Chargers experiment has been a massive, humiliating failure so far. My guess is that the league is probably telling its media partners to hype them up all offseason to try to generate interest in the team.

[ModSocks]

The LA Chargers experiment has been a massive, humiliating failure so far. My guess is that the league is probably telling its media partners to hype them up all offseason to try to generate interest in the team.

On paper they're the most talented, complete team in the division. Still tho...Chargers.

[DaFace]

On paper they're the most talented, complete team in the division. Still tho...Chargers.

Yeah, the problem is that you could argue that's been the case for years now. They have all the talent in the world but can never do anything with it.

[Buckweath]

On paper they're the most talented, complete team in the division. Still tho...Chargers.

Tell me how they are more talented than the Chiefs. Seriously.

It was not even a year ago that the Chiefs were considered to have the best top to bottom roster in the league by many analysts and now it seems like some think it has all disappeared.

[Halfcan]

All the Chargers to the Superbowl talk will die down after week one when the Chiefs kick their asses again.

Rivers will be the first QB Mahomes will send off to retirement.

[DaFace]

Tell me how they are more talented than the Chiefs. Seriously.

It was not even a year ago that the Chiefs were considered to have the best top to bottom roster in the league by many analysts and now it seems like some think it has all disappeared.

On paper at least, the Chargers are better than the Chiefs on defense without question. The Chiefs offense is better, but that's assuming Mahomes doesn't suck which, let's face it, isn't a given.

[Buckweath]

On paper at least, the Chargers are better than the Chiefs on defense without question. The Chiefs offense is better, but that's assuming Mahomes doesn't suck which, let's face it, isn't a given.

The Chargers 's defense on paper is barely better than the Chiefs ' going into next season if even it is better. As I have said before, I like the Chiefs front seven better but the Chargers have a better secondary.

The Chargers defense seems to be slightly overrated and the Chiefs defense slightly underrated. I see both as top 15 units with a chance at the top 10.

[ModSocks]

The Chargers 's defense on paper is barely better than the Chiefs ' going into next season if even it is better. As I have said before, I like the Chiefs front seven better but the Chargers have a better secondary.

The Chargers defense seems to be slightly overrated and the Chiefs defense slightly underrated. I see both as top 15 units with a chance at the top 10.

Well, one of these teams had a top 15 unit last season....the other didn't.

They're better at corner, and safety is a toss up. Sure, normally Eric Berry would be considered the better player over a rookie, but we don't know what Eric Berry has left or how good Derwin James is either. I'd call it a wash until proven otherwise.

For pass rushers they have Bosa and Ingram, which are a better combo than Houston/Ford.

At NT, we have a relative unknown. They have Brandon Mebane who produced well for them last season.

Fact is, one of these defenses is loaded with young talent, the other has aging stars and 50/50 upside players.

That Chargers D is in its prime for now and the immediate future. They're gonna be talented D for the next 2-3 years at least. Kinda like the Chiefs before DJ, Hali and Houston started breaking down.

[Buckweath]

Well, one of these teams had a top 15 unit last season....the other didn't.

They're better at corner, and safety is a toss up. Sure, normally Eric Berry would be considered the better player over a rookie, but we don't know what Eric Berry has left or how good Derwin James is either. I'd call it a wash until proven otherwise.

For pass rushers they have Bosa and Ingram, which are a better combo than Houston/Ford.

At NT, we have a relative unknown. They have Brandon Mebane who produced well for them last season.

Fact is, one of these defenses is loaded with young talent, the other has aging stars and 50/50 upside players.

That Chargers D is in its prime for now and the immediate future. They're gonna be talented D for the next 2-3 years at least. Kinda like the Chiefs before DJ, Hali and Houston started breaking down.

LOL. Are you really talking about the same Brandon Mebane who was rated 43.1 by PFF last year (#119 DL), the NT who spearheaded the 31st rushing defense last year and 33 years old guy?

Yeah, I disagree with your take. To say that Berry and James, a guy who has not played a down in this league, is a wash until proven otherwise seems ridiculous to me but oh well.

[ModSocks]

LOL. Are you really talking about the same Brandon Mebane who was rated 43.1 by PFF last year (#119 DL), the NT who spearheaded the 31st rushing defense last year and 33 years old guy?

Yeah, I disagree with your take. To say that Berry and James, a guy who has not played a down in this league, is a wash until proven otherwise seems ridiculous to me but oh well.

Berry is my favorite Chief of all time. But at 30 years old, with a torn ACL, torn Achilles and fucking cancer, yeah there's going to be concerns about him being the same player until proven otherwise.

[Msmith]

What about the head coach? Is he a Marty-like or a Norv-clone?

[jjchieffan]

What about the head coach? Is he a Marty-like or a Norv-clone?

Seems to be a Norm clone. At least Marty had them in the playoffs. Norf and Lynn seem to share the trait of underachieving teams.

[redfriday]

I think it has to do with being in LA where there is medical marijuana. They're not really "high on the Chargers", they're just high.

[Gadzooks]

The Chargers have been good on paper for ages. Every year there is some sort of freaky thing that fucks up their season.
- Overall Injuries
- A ton of injuries to 2 or more specific position groups, (playing 5th & 6th stringers)
- Horrific special teams (most blocked punts one year, a bunch of missed FGs last year)
- losing 5 or 6 games in a season by less than 3 points
They're a misery to root for. It's always something. It's kinda like being a Chiefs fan without the SB, (which they lost to a salary cap cheating 49ers team in the 90's).
I don't like the National Football League anymore and consider myself as a follower of the Chargers in passing.
I think most of you've nailed it. The Chargers are getting national media love because of the long time good roster and especially because of the new media market.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of teams need to beat both the Chargers and the refs to win any games in LA this year. We'll see...

[New World Order]

The Chargers have been good on paper for ages. Every year there is some sort of freaky thing that ****s up their season.
- Overall Injuries
- A ton of injuries to 2 or more specific position groups, (playing 5th & 6th stringers)
- Horrific special teams (most blocked punts one year, a bunch of missed FGs last year)
- losing 5 or 6 games in a season by less than 3 points
They're a misery to root for. It's always something. It's kinda like being a Chiefs fan without the SB, (which they lost to a salary cap cheating 49ers team in the 90's).
I don't like the National Football League anymore and consider myself as a follower of the Chargers in passing.
I think most of you've nailed it. The Chargers are getting national media love because of the long time good roster and especially because of the new media market.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of teams need to beat both the Chargers and the refs to win any games in LA this year. We'll see...

Are you still rooting for them Gadzooks?

[Gadzooks]

Are you still rooting for them Gadzooks?

Yeah, I'll always root for the Chargers to win, I just don't like what the NFL product has become over the past 25 years, (shit, I'm old).

[Titty Meat]

Seems to be a Norm clone. At least Marty had them in the playoffs. Norf and Lynn seem to share the trait of underachieving teams.

The Chargers were unachivers last year? Lolwut?

[Gadzooks]

Seems to be a Norm clone. At least Marty had them in the playoffs. Norf and Lynn seem to share the trait of underachieving teams.

I like Lynn. He's nothing like the weeping vagina McCoy was. Comparing him to Norf after 1 season seems unfair. Sure they lost 3 of their first 4 by under 3 points but they finished strong. Their coaching staff seems strong to me.
- Wisenhunt and Rivers handle the O with Lynn chiming in on the running game
- Bradley on D with a lot of talent.
Norf was OC and HC. Lynn is the type of guy who'll let his Coordinators coach and spend his time rallying the troops. He's exactly the type of coach the Chargers have needed for years.

[Best22]

The Chargers were unachivers last year? Lolwut?

Pretty talented team to be missing the playoffs

[Nickhead]

He hasn't hit the 4.0 ypc mark in a season yet. He's only a beast if you consider a sloth to be a beast.

i was thinking groundhog? :D

[OKchiefs]

They're in their last year or two of having any hope of contention. Rivers won't be playing at a high level into his 40s like Brady. This year and probably next is it for them.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

They are done, black bob

[kccrow]

As a San Diegan, i've watched him his whole career. He's a perennial choker. For years i lectured CPers not to sleep on Rivers.

But it's time to call a spade a spade. The dude has not been good in awhile. The Rivers that people have in there heads is long gone. I haven't seen that QB in a long time. No bias here.

It's just been a long time since he performed like a winning QB.

The Rivers/HOF debate is something that was a popular topic in SD. Years ago, i agreed that he had a HOF type career path. But these last several years have not amounted to anything. He's regressed IMO.

Again, what is Rivers' HOF moment?

What big game did he win?

What was his memorable, heroic moment?

He's a QB with a losing record, and in his era wasn't BREAKING records. The other stat guys you mentioned were game changers in their era. Rivers is not.

He did knock Peyton Manning and the Dolts out of the playoffs in back-to-back years. That has to count for something. :D

[Best22]

He did knock Peyton Manning and the Dolts out of the playoffs in back-to-back years. That has to count for something. :D

10 years ago

Got denied a SB berth by an undefeated Pats team

That time has come and gone. I respect Rivers though, not just for his ability and career but also he seems like a chill guy off the field. Gives 0 f****

[kccrow]

10 years ago

Got denied a SB berth by an undefeated Pats team

That time has come and gone. I respect Rivers though, not just for his ability and career but also he seems like a chill guy off the field. Gives 0 f****

I was just trying to find something relative but not quite good enough haha.

He's not a HOF QB in my estimation, but he is a damned good QB.

[Chiefshrink]

If they stay healthy this year and their o-line improves they will win the division easily with the Chiefs,Donks and Faiders fighting for 2nd place IMHO.

Chiefs literally have a rookie QB still cutting his teeth and our defense is in rebuild mode. Donks have a solid defense with questions at QB,o-line and RB, the Faiders still have serious questions on D and will Carr be able to endure Gruden's grinding.

The Chiefs,Donks and Faiders will all be in contention for 2nd place IMHO.

Division record will look something like this IMHO.

1. Chargers 12-4
2. Chiefs 9-7
3. Faiders 8-8
4. Donks 7-9

[Neurotica]

Those writers are just high.


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[Pasta Little Brioni]

If they stay healthy this year and their o-line improves they will win the division easily with the Chiefs,Donks and Faiders fighting for 2nd place IMHO.

Chiefs literally have a rookie QB still cutting his teeth and our defense is in rebuild mode. Donks have a solid defense with questions at QB,o-line and RB, the Faiders still have serious questions on D and will Carr be able to endure Gruden's grinding.

The Chiefs,Donks and Faiders will all be in contention for 2nd place IMHO.

Division record will look something like this IMHO.

1. Chargers 12-4
2. Chiefs 9-7
3. Faiders 8-8
4. Donks 7-9

You are one dumb sum bitch. They aren't winning 12 quack...

[Halfcan]

If they stay healthy this year and their o-line improves they will win the division easily with the Chiefs,Donks and Faiders fighting for 2nd place IMHO.

Chiefs literally have a rookie QB still cutting his teeth and our defense is in rebuild mode. Donks have a solid defense with questions at QB,o-line and RB, the Faiders still have serious questions on D and will Carr be able to endure Gruden's grinding.

The Chiefs,Donks and Faiders will all be in contention for 2nd place IMHO.

Division record will look something like this IMHO.

1. Chargers 12-4
2. Chiefs 9-7
3. Faiders 8-8
4. Donks 7-9

ROFL This is said about the Chargers every year.

Mahomes is in his 2nd year btw- he is not a Rookie. And the defense has been rebuilt. Every position will be better.

[Chiefshrink]

You are one dumb sum bitch. They aren't winning 12 quack...

Such a substantive rebuttal:rolleyes:

ROFL This is said about the Chargers every year.

Mahomes is in his 2nd year btw- he is not a Rookie. And the defense has been rebuilt. Every position will be better.

Like I said IF the Chargers stay healthy they have all the pieces in place. 1 game has not cut all of Mahomes teeth my friend. You can split hairs all you want about the technicality of his play in his 2nd year and say he is not a rookie BUT we will see some ROOKIE MISTAKES in his 2nd year for sure. You knew what I meant.:rolleyes:

Defense has not been rebuilt. It is in the process of being rebuilt. Big difference.

[FringeNC]

Why go against the Chiefs? Outside of a few down years in Philly when Andy strayed from his blueprint, he cleans up during the regular season.

[Hydrae]

Those writers are just high.


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Wow, first post 7 months after joining. Welcome! :thumb:

[Halfcan]

Such a substantive rebuttal:rolleyes:



Like I said IF the Chargers stay healthy they have all the pieces in place. 1 game has not cut all of Mahomes teeth my friend. You can split hairs all you want about the technicality of his play in his 2nd year and say he is not a rookie BUT we will see some ROOKIE MISTAKES in his 2nd year for sure. You knew what I meant.:rolleyes:

Defense has not been rebuilt. It is in the process of being rebuilt. Big difference.

It is not splitting hairs- you stated Mahomes is a Rookie and in fact, he is not a Rookie. He will have 2 training camps, 2 preseasons worth of games, a year of studying under Alex, and his first win on the road under his belt before he faces Old Man Rivers.

Chiefs had all kinds of injuries last year- we lost several starters and still swept the Chargers and their "healthy" team. We have swept them 4 years in a row- is that all because they weren't healthy? But this year-oh boy they have it all in place. ROFL

Other QB's have had great 2nd years in the NFL including Marino- but somehow Mahomes is going to be costing us the playoffs with so many Rookie Mistakes- (even though he is NOT a rookie).

[Gadzooks]

It's strange, in the NHL there's a minimum amount of games that need to be played in a season before you give up your rookie status, (30 or something). Since the NFL season has so few games, I guess you pop your rookie cherry as soon as you take the field, even if it's only to take the kneel downs.
I'll bet that fucked a lot of "second year" guys out of ROTY awards that I'd imagine come with a bonus.

[Chiefshrink]

It is not splitting hairs- you stated Mahomes is a Rookie and in fact, he is not a Rookie. He will have 2 training camps, 2 preseasons worth of games, a year of studying under Alex, and his first win on the road under his belt before he faces Old Man Rivers.

Chiefs had all kinds of injuries last year- we lost several starters and still swept the Chargers and their "healthy" team. We have swept them 4 years in a row- is that all because they weren't healthy? But this year-oh boy they have it all in place. ROFL

Other QB's have had great 2nd years in the NFL including Marino- but somehow Mahomes is going to be costing us the playoffs with so many Rookie Mistakes- (even though he is NOT a rookie).

Technically no he is not a rookie but you knew what I meant. He will have 1 training camp as a starter, he will have 1 pre-season worth of games as a starter, he will have 1 yr without Alex being his "binky" with only 1 NFL game under his belt that really meant nothing to the opposition, but the upside of that game was that he did what he was supposed to do to lead and win that game regardless.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see as few ROOKIE mistakes as possible in his 2nd year. I want him to rock it for sure. BUT be emotional prepared for growing pains and losses is all I am saying especially with a defense that is still in rebuild mode. Like I have said before, at least we will have a QB now who will make mistakes being aggressive trying to make a play downfield thus more likely than not we will always be in the game until the very end.

I get all the excitement and not trying to be a wet blanket here:shake: but I am realistic as well which I think many here are not. :shrug:

Aside from his physical talent the biggest plus I see is his "moxy maturity" and his love for the game and his intense passionate drive to win.:thumb:

[Chiefshrink]

It's strange, in the NHL there's a minimum amount of games that need to be played in a season before you give up your rookie status, (30 or something). Since the NFL season has so few games, I guess you pop your rookie cherry as soon as you take the field, even if it's only to take the kneel downs.

Exactly my point.;)

[Lzen]

If they stay healthy this year and their o-line improves they will win the division easily with the Chiefs,Donks and Faiders fighting for 2nd place IMHO.

Chiefs literally have a rookie QB still cutting his teeth and our defense is in rebuild mode. Donks have a solid defense with questions at QB,o-line and RB, the Faiders still have serious questions on D and will Carr be able to endure Gruden's grinding.

The Chiefs,Donks and Faiders will all be in contention for 2nd place IMHO.

Division record will look something like this IMHO.

1. Chargers 12-4
2. Chiefs 9-7
3. Faiders 8-8
4. Donks 7-9

ROFLROFL

[BryanBusby]

Fuck off, quack.

[Danguardace]

Chargers have been that semi fashionable pick for some time, I guess if people keep saying it they will be right eventually.

[Lzen]

I agree with Chiefshrink about Mahommes still being nearly a rookie. The difference with a guy like Marino is that he started all season his rookie year, IIRC. However, Mahommes will open up the offense because he will use the whole field and not be afraid to make certain throws. Defenses will pay if they try to stack the box and play short zones.

And yes, the defense is in a rebuild and there is more to be done. That being said, I believe the defense will be improved this season. How much? That remains to be seen. But I believe we will see a noticeable improvement from that unit.

[Halfcan]

Technically no he is not a rookie but you knew what I meant. He will have 1 training camp as a starter, he will have 1 pre-season worth of games as a starter, he will have 1 yr without Alex being his "binky" with only 1 NFL game under his belt that really meant nothing to the opposition, but the upside of that game was that he did what he was supposed to do to lead and win that game regardless.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see as few ROOKIE mistakes as possible in his 2nd year. I want him to rock it for sure. BUT be emotional prepared for growing pains and losses is all I am saying especially with a defense that is still in rebuild mode. Like I have said before, at least we will have a QB now who will make mistakes being aggressive trying to make a play downfield thus more likely than not we will always be in the game until the very end.

I get all the excitement and not trying to be a wet blanket here:shake: but I am realistic as well which I think many here are not. :shrug:

Aside from his physical talent the biggest plus I see is his "moxy maturity" and his love for the game and his intense passionate drive to win.:thumb:

What is with all the baby references? Cutting teeth (twice) and now binky? You are talking as if Mahomes is some little baby that will be coughing up the ball. And if Mahomes does throw an INT it is a mistake- not sure why you keep tagging on ROOKIE Mistake- because once again- he is Not a rookie.

You say you are not trying to be a wet blanket (baby reference) but are pimping a team that has not beat us in 4 years and has an aging, immobile QB who is the King of "Rookie" mistakes when it comes to ball security and closing out games. It would be great if you had an original opinion instead of just quoting the same thing in the media- Rookie QB / shitty defense- won't make the playoffs. I think you are all discounting Mahomes- he stepped into the QB position in college with very little experience and was able to keep the job over a couple of good QB's. Personally, I think after winning in Denver he should have stayed the starter and we would have won that playoff game. Alex was terrible.

[RunKC]

Steve Wyche thinks Derwin James is going to be a great player this year but Patrick Mahomes is a major question mark? Seriously? Derwin James hasn’t played a single down FFS.

And James Palmer is the ultimate Mule Tool. “Errr Jake Butte gonna be so good he got my butthole feeling happy but ermergherd Pat Mahomes is full of question marks.”

I hope Mahomes explodes this year so these so called analyst can shut the **** up. We win 15 of the last 16 division games and still no respect.

[NWTF]

The Chargers are the safe pick with the least unknowns.

Youve got new QBs on two of the other teams and a new coaching staff on the other. Any of them could surprise and elevate their team past the Chargers but seems most writers are taking the safe bet. I dont see the Chargers as Super Bowl contenders but I can see them as the early AFC west pick.

[Ming the Merciless]

Those writers are just high.


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quality 1st post


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[Pasta Little Brioni]

The Chargers are the safe pick with the least unknowns.

Youve got new QBs on two of the other teams and a new coaching staff on the other. Any of them could surprise and elevate their team past the Chargers but seems most writers are taking the safe bet. I dont see the Chargers as Super Bowl contenders but I can see them as the early AFC west pick.

Until they actually beat the Chiefs, we still look down on them...

FIFTEEN and one against this pathetic division ROFL The one liss a fluke Faider win after 10 bogus penalties

[Rain Man]

Until they actually beat the Chiefs, we still look down on them...

FIFTEEN and one against this pathetic division ROFL The one liss a fluke Faider win after 10 bogus penalties

The Chiefs were ahead in that game several plays after the game ended.

[GoChargers]

The Chargers are the safe pick with the least unknowns.

Youve got new QBs on two of the other teams and a new coaching staff on the other. Any of them could surprise and elevate their team past the Chargers but seems most writers are taking the safe bet. I dont see the Chargers as Super Bowl contenders but I can see them as the early AFC west pick.

As long as the Spanos family owns the Chargers, they will only be the "safe bet" to underachieve.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

I think based on the NFL's trend to gift a SB win to aging QB's (The Manning legacy) the Chargers will win one before Rivers retires.

Then how come Brett Favre wasn't gifted one? He and the Vikings got royally screwed by the refs in that NFC Championship game. Yeah, I know about the INT but in overtime, the Saints were gifted calls.

[Gadzooks]

Then how come Brett Favre wasn't gifted one? He and the Vikings got royally screwed by the refs in that NFC Championship game. Yeah, I know about the INT but in overtime, the Saints were gifted calls.

Farve had already won one, (so had Payton). If there's such a thing as gifting SBs, Rivers would deserve it.
He got caught up in ShEli's pussy move in the draft to not play in SD. Pitt wanted Rivers, The Giants wanted Rapelisburger after ShEli. It should've gone:
1. ShEli
4. Rape
11. Rivers
NYG GM Ernie Accorsi had a hard-on for ShEli since he'd missed out on Elway with his pussy draft move years earlier, refusing to play for the Colts while Accorsi was the GM in Indy.
Rivers would have won a SB in his first season in Pittsburgh, just like Rape did because w/ Pitt's defense it didn't matter who you trotted out as a QB. Rape was horrible in his first season but it couldn't stop that defense.
If he went to the Giants they would've won but it wouldn't have been half as entertaining since it wouldn't have involved the last second heroics ShEli pulled out of her ass.
(sure I've had a couple of few beers, but the above writing is pretty solid historical football analysis)

[SuperBowl4]

Because they are high?

[Strongside]

Title of this thread should just be "Why are so many National writers so high?"

[Quesadilla Joe]

Why does this always happen to the Chargers?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stunner from LA: Chargers’ TE Hunter Henry suffered a season-ending torn ACL today, per league source. Did it during a drill, running downfield, untouched. Second opinion coming Wednesday.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/999102898561744896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Pasta Little Brioni]

Still better than last place Denver

[Best22]

Why does this always happen to the Chargers?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stunner from LA: Chargers’ TE Hunter Henry suffered a season-ending torn ACL today, per league source. Did it during a drill, running downfield, untouched. Second opinion coming Wednesday.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/999102898561744896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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No idea

Different city. Different coaching staff. Different training staff

But it's all still the same...

[RunKC]

They let Gates go too. They now have Sean McGrath at TE.

Same old Chargers.

[Halfcan]

But guys- the Chargers are going 12-4. lol

I guess the post beginning with "If the Chargers can stay healthy" are now obsolete.

[TEX]

Flavor of the off-season or are the Chargers a legit Super Bowl contender.

Let's discuss in here.

Least amount of changes in the division. Pretty good core on both sides of the ball. But least amount of change is the biggest reason.

[WhiteWhale]

Farve had already won one, (so had Payton). If there's such a thing as gifting SBs, Rivers would deserve it.
He got caught up in ShEli's pussy move in the draft to not play in SD. Pitt wanted Rivers, The Giants wanted Rapelisburger after ShEli. It should've gone:
1. ShEli
4. Rape
11. Rivers
NYG GM Ernie Accorsi had a hard-on for ShEli since he'd missed out on Elway with his pussy draft move years earlier, refusing to play for the Colts while Accorsi was the GM in Indy.
Rivers would have won a SB in his first season in Pittsburgh, just like Rape did because w/ Pitt's defense it didn't matter who you trotted out as a QB. Rape was horrible in his first season but it couldn't stop that defense.
If he went to the Giants they would've won but it wouldn't have been half as entertaining since it wouldn't have involved the last second heroics ShEli pulled out of her ass.
(sure I've had a couple of few beers, but the above writing is pretty solid historical football analysis)

If it didn't matter who was QB why were the 2003 Steelers 6-10 and the 2004 steelers 15-1?

They kept the reigns on him with low attempts, but Ben averaged 8.9 YPA and had a QB rating of 98.

That's not horrible at all. Especially from a rookie who had not played in a pro style offense.

I'll also point out that Rivers had, arguably, the most talented supporting cast in the entire league for at least 3 seasons and accomplished NOTHING with it.