Mike Clay from ESPN projected our season

[RunKC]

Here’s the tweet with the data:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/996442589749530625

I’m seeing that he’s got us going 8-8. Here’s his projected stats:

Mahomes-4,041 yards, 21 TD’s, 15 INT’s, 3 rushing TD’s
Hunt-1,005 rush yards, 8 rush TD’s, 439 rush yards 2 receiving
Kelce-982 yards, 5 TD’s
Hill-1,055 yards, 5 TD’s
Watkins-973 yards, 5 TD’s

Jones-4 sacks
Houston-11 sacks
Ford-8 sacks
Speaks-1 sack
KPass-0 sacks
Fuller-3 INT’s
Berry- 2 INT’s
Amerson-2 INT’s

[burt]

I NEVER trust anyone with "Clay" in their name! Especially in shower rooms.

[Halfcan]

ROFL

What a dumbass. 21 passing TD's for Mahomes? :rolleyes:

I guess he is not impressed with the firepower of this Offense at all.

If Brady had the same weapons he would be projecting 50 TD's.

Biased Trash.

[Discuss Thrower]

Here’s the tweet with the data:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/996442589749530625

I’m seeing that he’s got us going 8-8. Here’s his projected stats:

Mahomes-4,041 yards, 21 TD’s, 15 INT’s, 3 rushing TD’s
Lower, higher, higher, lower
Hunt-1,005 rush yards, 8 rush TD’s, 439 rush yards 2 receiving
Lower, lower, higher, higher
Kelce-982 yards, 5 TD’s
Lower, higher
Hill-1,055 yards, 5 TD’s
lower, lower
Watkins-973 yards, 5 TD’s
lower, push

Jones-4 sacks
Lower
Houston-11 sacks
higher
Ford-8 sacks
lower
Speaks-1 sack
higher
KPass-0 sacks
higher
Fuller-3 INT’s
push
Berry- 2 INT’s
higher
Amerson-2 INT’s
lower
.

[BlackOp]

Meh...I can make up numbers too.

That would the worst finish in Reid's tenure at KC.

Donks have a new QB in a new system and the Raiders have a new HC.

I think Mahomes is going to run this offense better than Smith did...he left a LOT of plays on the field. Was actually pretty awful during that losing streak...

Albert Wilson's best game during Smith's run was around 80 yards....he averaged 31 yards a game the past 3 years. Mahomes had him at 150 in his first start.

[ModSocks]

If Mahomes throws over 4K, and has 3 receivers who basically went for 1K a piece...and a 1K RB...he's going to have more than 21TD's.

[The Franchise]

If Mahomes throws over 4K, and has 3 receivers who basically went for 1K a piece...and a 1K RB...he's going to have more than 21TD's.

He forgot to mention that Butker is going to go 90 for 96 kicking FGs.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Stupid practice. Fun, sure. But stupid.

[saphojunkie]

I can't wait to bet the Chiefs over this season. Easiest money in the world.

[KCrockaholic]

I can't wait to bet the Chiefs over this season. Easiest money in the world.

What's the line going to be?

[RunKC]

His data is definitely spot on for the history of first year starting QB’s but he’s not putting in the circumstances of having sat a year and elite coaching.

Even a 1st year QB should have more TD’s with this supporting cast though.

[The Franchise]

My guess is 4600 yards, 30 TDs and 14 INTs.

[BleedingRed]

Mahomes = 4,200 yards 32 TDs 14 Ints 4 Rushing TDs

Kareem = 1,200 yards rushing 13 TDs

Hill= 1,300 yards 8 TDs

Watkins = 1,000 yards 11 TDs

Kelce = 1,200 yards 9 TDs

Book mark it! (God wouldn't it be great)

[Marcellus]

If Mahomes throws over 4K, and has 3 receivers who basically went for 1K a piece...and a 1K RB...he's going to have more than 21TD's.

Exactly what I thought reading that.

[The Franchise]

Mahomes = 4,200 yards 32 TDs 14 Ints 4 Rushing TDs

Kareem = 1,200 yards rushing 13 TDs

Hill= 1,300 yards 8 TDs

Watkins = 1,000 yards 11 TDs

Kelce = 1,200 yards 9 TDs

Book mark it! (God wouldn't it be great)

Has any team in history had a RB go over 1000 yards along with 2 WRs and a TE?

[lawrenceRaider]

My guess is 4600 yards, 30 TDs and 14 INTs.

I think TDs and INTs are close. Not sure about yards, somewhere between 3900 and your number though I think. INT's might creep up towards 20, but I was thinking 15.

[WhiteWhale]

Has any team in history had a RB go over 1000 yards along with 2 WRs and a TE?

Yes and no.

Only two teams have had one 1000 yard WR, a 1000 yard TE, and a 1000 yard RB.

The 2017 KC chiefs and the 1981 chargers.

It looks like the chargers were close though.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg/1981.htm

Chandler did have 1000 yards that season, but not with the Chargers. They acquired him mid-season.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ChanWe00/gamelog/1981/

[Marcellus]

I think TDs and INTs are close. Not sure about yards, somewhere between 3900 and your number though I think. INT's might creep up towards 20, but I was thinking 15.

His INT's won't be very high simply due to the fact he is going to have some large windows to throw the ball into with Kelce, Hunt, Watkins, and Hill all on the field.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I’ll play along.

Mahomes: 4400 yards, 26 TDs/13 INTs, 3 rushing TDs

Hunt: 1200 yards rushing, 13 TDs

Hill: 1150 yards, 8 TDs

Watkins: 1100 yards, 9 TDs

Kelce: 1000 yards, 6 TDs

[WhiteWhale]

His INT's won't be very high simply due to the fact he is going to have some large windows to throw the ball into with Kelce, Hunt, Watkins, and Hill all on the field.

I agree man. The windows will be huge.

[Rain Man]

Has any team in history had a RB go over 1000 yards along with 2 WRs and a TE?

In fairness, no team has ever had Patrick Mahomes II as their quarterback for a full season.

[Titty Meat]

ROFL

What a dumbass. 21 passing TD's for Mahomes? :rolleyes:

I guess he is not impressed with the firepower of this Offense at all.

If Brady had the same weapons he would be projecting 50 TD's.

Biased Trash.

You do realize Brady is the greatest QB to ever play right?

[Armyofme]

His INT's won't be very high simply due to the fact he is going to have some large windows to throw the ball into with Kelce, Hunt, Watkins, and Hill all on the field.

Agree 100%.

Not sure why some think his INTs are going to be unusually high. He has a great track record in college and I think Reid is going to put him in situations that are going to minimize turnovers early on. It will probably be a little heavier on the dink and dunk stuff early... let the playmakers do some work. (Loving the thought of 2 back sets :drool:)

Of course he's going to have bad throws like the floater in Denver, but I don't see it happening more than once per game on average.

Once he gets his feet under him and starts processing fast enough, with the talent around him, someone will not just be open, but wide open on every play.

Can't wait...

[big nasty kcnut]

Chiefs 12-4 mahomes 4600 yrd. 31 td
kelcie 850 yrd 6 td
hill 1065 yrds 10 td
hunt 1236 yrds 8 td
Houston 13 sacks
Berry 5 Int
fuller 10 int
butker 35 out of 37.

Hope I'm right.

[RunKC]

I’ll play along.

Mahomes: 4400 yards, 26 TDs/13 INTs, 3 rushing TDs

Hunt: 1200 yards rushing, 13 TDs

Hill: 1150 yards, 8 TDs

Watkins: 1100 yards, 9 TDs

Kelce: 1000 yards, 6 TDs

I have a hard time seeing less than 28 TD’s unless Pat gets hurt.

Goff had 28 last year with the same elite caliber coaching, but without as many star weapons as what Mahomes has this year.

Goff also threw the ball on average 30X a game and relied more heavily on Gurley. I really think that Mahomes is going to average 35+ throws a game this year. Alex averaged 33.6 last year and I think we’ll air it out more with Pat.

[mcaj22]

Mahomes = 4,200 yards 32 TDs 14 Ints 4 Rushing TDs

Kareem = 1,200 yards rushing 13 TDs

Hill= 1,300 yards 8 TDs

Watkins = 1,000 yards 11 TDs

Kelce = 1,200 yards 9 TDs

Book mark it! (God wouldn't it be great)


this is actually impossible lol

[Halfcan]

You do realize Brady is the greatest QB to ever play right?

So you agree, Mahomes will only have 21 TD's in a full season this year?

And my point was- If Brady had the same exact weapons- they would be predicting a record-breaking year.

Is Mahomes 20 to 30 less TD's less talented than Brady- I don't think so.

Chiefs and Mahomes are getting zero respect.

[KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN]

this is actually impossible lol

Explain why you think that is impossible, it looks realistic to me.

[Halfcan]

Explain why you think that is impossible, it looks realistic to me.

Not impossible at all. I expect Mahomes to have a year like Dan Marino did in his 2nd year in the NFL.

[KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN]

Not impossible at all. I expect Mahomes to have a year like Dan Marino did in his 2nd year in the NFL.

Actually I think he will be closer to 4600 yards passing and around 38-40 touchdown passes. With the weapons he has at his disposal and the playbook that Andy will design the Chiefs offense can make people forget about the greatest show on turf bunch!:hmmm:

[lawrenceRaider]

His INT's won't be very high simply due to the fact he is going to have some large windows to throw the ball into with Kelce, Hunt, Watkins, and Hill all on the field.

I'm not sold on Watkins being what the Chiefs paid him to be, but the other three guys are studs for sure. I still think the coverages in the NFL will generate some INTs, especially early on, but not many late. Aside from the fact it will probably be bad for Oakland, I'm really looking forward to seeing Mahomes play. He reminds me of Elway a bit.

[mcaj22]

Explain why you think that is impossible, it looks realistic to me.

because its never happened in the history of the NFL?

[TinyEvel]

Need to adda zero to the back of each of those numbers for every player. 210 TDs just watch.

:D

[-King-]

So you agree, Mahomes will only have 21 TD's in a full season this year?

And my point was- If Brady had the same exact weapons- they would be predicting a record-breaking year.

Is Mahomes 20 to 30 less TD's less talented than Brady- I don't think so.

Chiefs and Mahomes are getting zero respect.

Wtf. You people are insane homers.
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[pugsnotdrugs19]

I have a hard time seeing less than 28 TD’s unless Pat gets hurt.

Goff had 28 last year with the same elite caliber coaching, but without as many star weapons as what Mahomes has this year.

Goff also threw the ball on average 30X a game and relied more heavily on Gurley. I really think that Mahomes is going to average 35+ throws a game this year. Alex averaged 33.6 last year and I think we’ll air it out more with Pat.

I think Kareem is going to rack up TDs big time which might take away from Pat’s passing total. We have to remember that odds are Hunt won’t see a box heavier than 6 guys very often.

[wazu]

I disagree with some of these projections, but in my opinion Mike Clay is the best there is at projecting fantasy football.

[COchief]

If Brady had the same weapons he would be projecting 50 TD's.

Biased Trash.

You stupid asshole. Stop comparing our QB who has had one (with backups in on both teams) NFL start to unquestionably the greatest QB to ever play game who has been coached by maybe the greatest coach to ever coach the game. It is his first full NFL season jackass, many hall of fame QBs don't hit their grove until after a few years and Brady/Roth are extreme exceptions. Considering the shit we've dealt with at QB we should be god damned elated if Mahomes mirrors Eli, Warner, Wilson, or Brees who all have at least one SB appearance. You are exactly the type of stupid asshole who will be booing by game three if Mahomes isn't playing like an elite veteran future HOF QB. Keep your ignorant mouth shut for at least one or two seasons moron.

Mahomes has displayed, in limited preseason and basically one psuedo preseason game, unique and special talents never before seen by us lowly Chiefs fans. Sit back, enjoy, give the god damn kid a chance and shut your stupid fucking mouth until he has a chance and the time to show us one way or the other.

We haven't drafted a first round qb since fucking 83, and some stupid asshole is already comparing him to Brady before he even has a legitimate NFL start.

[Best22]

I'm not sold on Watkins being what the Chiefs paid him to be, but the other three guys are studs for sure. I still think the coverages in the NFL will generate some INTs, especially early on, but not many late. Aside from the fact it will probably be bad for Oakland, I'm really looking forward to seeing Mahomes play. He reminds me of Elway a bit.

With Hill and Kelce on the field, Watkins becomes more of a beast

The reason Watkins yardage was so-so last year is two-fold

Watkins joined the team late and Goff didn't get the reps in with him

Goff likely did not feel comfortable forcing the ball to him because of lack of reps. Mahomes shouldn't have this problem because he simply throws to open receivers, whereas more conservative QBs like Goff and Smith are averse to this.

[ChiefGator]

Yeah, Goff was throwing to exactly who he was told to throw to most times.. he didn't make things happen so much.. he played within the system.

That is all well and good, but the system mostly used Watkins as a decoy it looked like. He was running wide open again and again, and would not get the ball.

I think he is going to have a really, really good year.. over a thousand yards easily.

EDIT: It is hard though.. pencil Hill in for 1000, pencil Kelce in for a 1000, pencil Watkins in for 1000. Looks like Andy has been indicating they will be throwing to the running backs more. That is a lot of yards quick.

[mcaj22]

that means Hill, Watkins, Kelce and Hunt need to average 62.5 yards per game EACH to hit 1000 yards. Those 4 alone would have to allocate 250 yards of offense per game. Even if we bump the offense's YPG from their 372 number in 2017 (5th in the NFL, already elite.) to 395 (that's above NE and NO, so they would be #1 last year in the NFL in offensive ypg) that still only leaves 145 yards of offense for the rest of the team. (Alex Smith left 400 rushing yards on the table from scrambling, Hunt caught for 400 yards, Albert Wilson had 500 yards.) Those stats aren't just going to go to Sammy Watkins lol. It's almost impossible. It's literally why they signed 5 RBs in the offseason. Because another RB is going to get stats in this offense.

The 1000 WR, 1000 WR, 1000 TE, 1000 RB, 4000 QB club is basically a historic record breaking offense that has never been done before, and you expect a QB in his first full season as a starter to do it? That would make it the best offense ever in the NFL (and the best Fantasy Offense ever as well).

I could see if there was maybe a precedent or a benchmark for this but there isn't. You're also not considering the injury factor, another reason this is impossible, operating under the assumption that each player plays a full durable season. (hint: Watkins has done that once, and he didn't even get a 1000 yards playing 16 games.)

[Halfcan]

You stupid asshole. Stop comparing our QB who has had one (with backups in on both teams) NFL start to unquestionably the greatest QB to ever play game who has been coached by maybe the greatest coach to ever coach the game. It is his first full NFL season jackass, many hall of fame QBs don't hit their grove until after a few years and Brady/Roth are extreme exceptions. Considering the shit we've dealt with at QB we should be god damned elated if Mahomes mirrors Eli, Warner, Wilson, or Brees who all have at least one SB appearance. You are exactly the type of stupid asshole who will be booing by game three if Mahomes isn't playing like an elite veteran future HOF QB. Keep your ignorant mouth shut for at least one or two seasons moron.

Mahomes has displayed, in limited preseason and basically one psuedo preseason game, unique and special talents never before seen by us lowly Chiefs fans. Sit back, enjoy, give the god damn kid a chance and shut your stupid ****ing mouth until he has a chance and the time to show us one way or the other.

We haven't drafted a first round qb since ****ing 83, and some stupid asshole is already comparing him to Brady before he even has a legitimate NFL start.

Look out folks, we have an internet tough guy here. Yes sir boss- I will keep my mouth shut. ROFL

I was not saying Mahomes is Brady you dumb ****- I was making a point at how many weapons Mahomes will have to work with next year. Mahomes showed plenty in college and his limited NFL experience to project that he is capable of getting the ball in the hands of his playmakers. He has also stated as much in interviews- saying that is his number one job.

So if you believe he will average less than a TD and half per game- either you think his entire college career is due to the system- or Hill, Watkins, Hunt and Kelce will be shut out most of the year and at best, held to pedestrian numbers for their talent.

Nice rant by the way- but not drafting a QB since 83 and most of the other stupid shit you posted, has zero to do with what will happen next year. Please pour yourself a big glass of shut the **** up, asshole.

[Rain Man]

Need to adda zero to the back of each of those numbers for every player. 210 TDs just watch.

:D

I heard that Arrowhead has been testing the scoreboard to be sure that they can put up three digits.

[Halfcan]

that means Hill, Watkins, Kelce and Hunt need to average 62.5 yards per game EACH to hit 1000 yards. Those 4 alone would have to allocate 250 yards of offense per game. Even if we bump the offense's YPG from their 372 number in 2017 (5th in the NFL, already elite.) to 395 (that's above NE and NO, so they would be #1 last year in the NFL in offensive ypg) that still only leaves 145 yards of offense for the rest of the team. (Alex Smith left 400 rushing yards on the table from scrambling, Hunt caught for 400 yards, Albert Wilson had 500 yards.) Those stats aren't just going to go to Sammy Watkins lol. It's almost impossible. It's literally why they signed 5 RBs in the offseason. Because another RB is going to get stats in this offense.

The 1000 WR, 1000 WR, 1000 TE, 1000 RB, 4000 QB club is basically a historic record breaking offense that has never been done before, and you expect a QB in his first full season as a starter to do it? That would make it the best offense ever in the NFL (and the best Fantasy Offense ever as well).

I could see if there was maybe a precedent or a benchmark for this but there isn't. You're also not considering the injury factor, another reason this is impossible, operating under the assumption that each player plays a full durable season. (hint: Watkins has done that once, and he didn't even get a 1000 yards playing 16 games.)

Good post. Watkins and his health are definitely the wild card in that scenario. The Chiefs must think he can stay healthy for what they paid him.

Usually, for that amount of money, you would expect a minimum of 1000 yards receiving. But as you stated- there are only so many balls to go around. It is going to be interesting what they have in store for Watkins and why they outbid other teams to bring him in. It is going to be an exciting year. I really don't see how defenses are going to be able to keep us off the scoreboard. :hmmm:

[BleedingRed]

this is actually impossible lol

Uh.... not sure if serious?

[COchief]

Look out folks, we have an internet tough guy here. Yes sir boss- I will keep my mouth shut. ROFL


Internet tough guys think red boxes matter.

He hasn't made an NFL start, you're already comparing him to the best ever. Relax, enjoy, give the kid a year or two or hell maybe even on true NFL start before you start in with that type of narrative.

My post was admittedly harsh, however absolute truth. You compared, with great emotion, our potential franchise QB we've waited 30+ years for to the greatest to ever play the position before he even has one true start under his belt. Calm down Francis, he looks amazing, give him a chance. Dial back the expectations for a year or two maybe?

[Otter]

Wtf. You people are insane homers.
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My thoughts on Pat are he has every tool in the book to succeed physically, mentally, and with guys like Brady and Rodgers reaching retirement he has a chance to become the NFL's new sweetheart that will get calls because he'll attract girls to the sport, inspire young kids and he's a genuinely likeable guy. And while it's a totally another topic that I'm not going to hijack the thread with I think anyone who's followed football that doesn't think Brady and Rodgers get a bit a favoritism might want to layoff the alcohol before watching the game.

I hope I didn't take your post out of perspective but rooting balls out for a potentially stud QB who has no reason to fail isn't being a homer.

[bigjosh]

Since we are all making early predictions now...

11-5

Patrick Mahomes
4450YDS 31TD 10INT 150RUSHYD 3RUTD

Kareem Hunt
1250RUSHYD 10TD 400RECYD 4RECTD

Tyreek Hill
1100RECYD 7RECTD 280RUSHYD 4RUTD

Travis Kelce
1050RECYD 9TD

Sammy Watkins
1250 RECYD 10TD

Thats right, 3 1000yd receivers.

Defense will finish top 10 in points allowed, top 10 in rushing defense but fall a little short in pass defense because other teams will be trying to catch up after halftime. [emoji3]

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[CoMoChief]

I think Mahomes gets anywhere between 25-30 TD's.

But I also think he'll have anywhere from 15-20 INT's as well. I don't think scoring will be a problem, and I fully expect this offense to be good, fun to watch, lots of players w/ HR potential w/ a guy who loves to show off the arm and sling it around the yard.

That just means if he's young, trigger happy and the Chiefs offense passes a lot, that just means there are more chances for a 1st yr starter to fuck up on.

But he's going to extend plays. If something isn't there his first instinct will not be to check down, take the 3-4 gain on 3rd n long and have Colquitt pin the opposing offense deep in their territory and chalk that drive up as a loss.

Mahomes is going to look downfield and look to make shit work if something isn't there, it will be contagious, and players will play their ass off. If the Chiefs get on a scoring spree, everyone will feed off of it. There is enough weapons on this offense to be a serious problem for every team in the NFL. Hill Watkins Conley Kelce Hunt Ware. WTF is going to stop that? And fuck the Rams D.

I think the D is going to suck ass. The only way it doesnt is if Justin Houston is the Justin Houston of old and Eric Berry has a 2016-ish season. And i'd bet my money on that probably not happening. I've said this for the past couple yrs but I think Houston's best days are behind him. Chiefs are just stuck w/ a horribly overpriced veteran. Chiefs need CB help still. I don't think the Chiefs D will be good til 2020. Dont expect playoffs this yr, although it could happen and I wouldn't be surprised if they did make it. 2019 I expect a playoff birth and 2020 I expect a SB.

[-King-]

My thoughts on Pat are he has every tool in the book to succeed physically, mentally, and with guys like Brady and Rodgers reaching retirement he has a chance to become the NFL's new sweetheart that will get calls because he'll attract girls to the sport, inspire young kids and he's a genuinely likeable guy. And while it's a totally another topic that I'm not going to hijack the thread with I think anyone who's followed football that doesn't think Brady and Rodgers get a bit a favoritism might want to layoff the alcohol before watching the game.

I hope I didn't take your post out of perspective but rooting balls out for a potentially stud QB who has no reason to fail isn't being a homer.

We're talking about Pat's first year starting and somehow people think it's okay to mention him in the same breath as Tom Brady.

He could have a really good season and the same people will be disappointed because if the ridiculous expectations they've set for him.
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[Tombstone RJ]

Chiefs 12-4 mahomes 4600 yrd. 31 td
kelcie 850 yrd 6 td
hill 1065 yrds 10 td
hunt 1236 yrds 8 td
Houston 13 sacks
Berry 5 Int
fuller 10 int
butker 35 out of 37.

Hope I'm right.

:clap:

But your teams defense sucks

[Halfcan]

Internet tough guys think red boxes matter.

He hasn't made an NFL start, you're already comparing him to the best ever. Relax, enjoy, give the kid a year or two or hell maybe even on true NFL start before you start in with that type of narrative.

My post was admittedly harsh, however absolute truth. You compared, with great emotion, our potential franchise QB we've waited 30+ years for to the greatest to ever play the position before he even has one true start under his belt. Calm down Francis, he looks amazing, give him a chance. Dial back the expectations for a year or two maybe?

:hmmm:

I don't really understand your post. Mahomes already has a True NFL win under his belt- on the road, against a hated division rival, in cold weather, with all backups playing opposite starters most of the game.

And once again- I was Not comparing the QB's, just stating that Mahomes has a lot of weapons. It seems many are not recognizing that. More offensive weapons than have ever wore red in the same season. I truly believe the media pundits, including some in KC are way underestimating what this kid will do in the next few years.

I have suffered from battered Chief's fan syndrome my entire life and it seems you have it too by the way you attacked my post. Like if we get too excited or too optimistic about Mahomes- he will bust or get hurt. I am so excited for the season, I am sorry if the optimism intimidates you. I will dial it back. Please accept my sincerest apologies. I hope we can be friends and enjoy Mahomes fucking steamrolling teams this year. :)

[Buckweath]

I agree that Mahomes should throw a bunch of INTs, like around 15.

The defense will be max a top 20 unit and very possibly top 15. If we had another good corner I would be banging the table for top 10.

[New World Order]

:clap:

But your teams defense sucks

They'll be okay

[Tombstone RJ]

They'll be okay

I’m sure Sutton will coach’m up

[ReynardMuldrake]

I think Hunt is going to have a career year, maybe set some franchise records. I see us going 12-4 and making it to the AFC championship game.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

In fairness, no team has ever had Patrick Mahomes II as their quarterback for a full season.

Best answer right here.

[007]

Need to adda zero to the back of each of those numbers for every player. 210 TDs just watch.

:D

Since the NFL is rigged the Chiefs still wouldn't win the superbowl. :D

[JakeF]

The top of the NFL was 3577 yrds, 34 TD last year. I think expectations are getting a little out of control thinking Mahomes is going to be top-3 in Yrd/TD in his 1st year starting.

[Otter]

We're talking about Pat's first year starting and somehow people think it's okay to mention him in the same breath as Tom Brady.

He could have a really good season and the same people will be disappointed because if the ridiculous expectations they've set for him.
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I have no idea how he fairs and I agree the expectations some are giving him here are just downright silly. He might as well have a cape and an "S" on his chest.

I'm just rooting for him with the most unbiased opinion I can give as a Chiefs fan that I think he's got the chance for high success.

Only time will tell.

[BigRedChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Despite having:<br>-the NFL&#39;s fastest player<br>-the league&#39;s rushing leader<br>-the league&#39;s 2nd best TE<br>-the addition of Sammy Watkins <br>-arguably the NFL&#39;s strongest arm<br>...the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> aren&#39;t predicted to have a top 10 offense.<a href="https://t.co/FvG1mH6ynI">https://t.co/FvG1mH6ynI</a></p>&mdash; Matt Conner (@MattConnerAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattConnerAA/status/996833171068149761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Chiefshrink]

I guess he is not impressed with the firepower of this Offense at all.

Our firepower is as only as strong as our o-line performs. Run blocking and pass blocking need to improve 'significantly' if we are to have a so called 'firepower' of an offense. Mahomes needs a chance to pass instead of running for his life and Hunt & Co. need to have holes opened whether small or large instead of creating their own holes the majority of the time, PERIOD. I haven't seen a dominating o-line since 2002-05. Just saying:shrug:

[Buckweath]

Our firepower is as only as strong as our o-line performs. Run blocking and pass blocking need to improve 'significantly' if we are to have a this so called 'firepower' of an offense. Mahomes needs a chance to pass instead of running for his life and Hunt & Co. need to have holes opened whether small or large instead of creating their own holes the majority of the time, PERIOD. I haven't seen a dominating o-line since 2002-05. Just saying:shrug:

Lol. Need to improve significantly? Do you know that Alex Smith had a career season last year, was at some point in the conversation for the MVP award and that the Chiefs offense, including the running game, was elite?

[Halfcan]

The top of the NFL was 3577 yrds, 34 TD last year. I think expectations are getting a little out of control thinking Mahomes is going to be top-3 in Yrd/TD in his 1st year starting.

http://m.espn.com/nfl/leagueleaders?wjb

I bet this was a typo- you meant 4577 right?

Alex Smith had over 4 k and that included a long midseason slump.

[Kman34]

Anyone named Clay can’t predict shit...:D

[Halfcan]

Our firepower is as only as strong as our o-line performs. Run blocking and pass blocking need to improve 'significantly' if we are to have a this so called 'firepower' of an offense. Mahomes needs a chance to pass instead of running for his life and Hunt & Co. need to have holes opened whether small or large instead of creating their own holes the majority of the time, PERIOD. I haven't seen a dominating o-line since 2002-05. Just saying:shrug:

We had the leading rusher in the NFL and a QB that threw for over 4,000 yards behind an O line with starters missing last year.

I think they will be better this year, at least I hope so. What we do know- the play won't be over when our QB is flushed out of the pocket like it was last year. Defenses won't be able to stack the line either. Mahomes will make the O line better with his skillset and pocket awareness.

[Lzen]

He forgot to mention that Butker is going to go 90 for 96 kicking FGs.

ROFL

[Halfcan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Despite having:<br>-the NFL&#39;s fastest player<br>-the league&#39;s rushing leader<br>-the league&#39;s 2nd best TE<br>-the addition of Sammy Watkins <br>-arguably the NFL&#39;s strongest arm<br>...the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> aren&#39;t predicted to have a top 10 offense.<a href="https://t.co/FvG1mH6ynI">https://t.co/FvG1mH6ynI</a></p>&mdash; Matt Conner (@MattConnerAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattConnerAA/status/996833171068149761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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After this year- people will stop calling Kelce the 2nd best Tight End. I think he IS the best now since Gronk is hurt all the time. I would take Kelce over Gronk any day.

[Fish]

Our firepower is as only as strong as our o-line performs. Run blocking and pass blocking need to improve 'significantly' if we are to have a this so called 'firepower' of an offense. Mahomes needs a chance to pass instead of running for his life and Hunt & Co. need to have holes opened whether small or large instead of creating their own holes the majority of the time, PERIOD. I haven't seen a dominating o-line since 2002-05. Just saying:shrug:

Silly TrueFan™ thinking...

[Lzen]

Our firepower is as only as strong as our o-line performs. Run blocking and pass blocking need to improve 'significantly' if we are to have a this so called 'firepower' of an offense. Mahomes needs a chance to pass instead of running for his life and Hunt & Co. need to have holes opened whether small or large instead of creating their own holes the majority of the time, PERIOD. I haven't seen a dominating o-line since 2002-05. Just saying:shrug:

You apparently don't realize that part of the reason the running game struggled at times (especially during that mid-season slump) was because teams were stacking the box and keying on the running game. Alex Smith and his struggles and short passing made teams stop respecting the passing game. IMO, Pat Mahommes should make defenses respect the passing game on the whole field. And that, in turn, should open up the running game. It's not just about blocking.

[O.city]

The Chiefs aren't going to rebuild the 02/03 OL. That was one of the best OL's in history.

The current OL isn't good enough, yet they had the league leading rusher, a 1000 yard WR and a 1000 yard TE and a QB throw for 4000 yards.

The OL is good. If they improve significantly they'd be the best in the league which isn't really likely.

[RunKC]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Despite having:<br>-the NFL&#39;s fastest player<br>-the league&#39;s rushing leader<br>-the league&#39;s 2nd best TE<br>-the addition of Sammy Watkins <br>-arguably the NFL&#39;s strongest arm<br>...the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> aren&#39;t predicted to have a top 10 offense.<a href="https://t.co/FvG1mH6ynI">https://t.co/FvG1mH6ynI</a></p>&mdash; Matt Conner (@MattConnerAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattConnerAA/status/996833171068149761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Chiefs and Bears are going to have break out offenses this year

[redfan]

8-8? Way to go out on a limb there, buddy. :rolleyes:

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The Chiefs aren't going to rebuild the 02/03 OL. That was one of the best OL's in history.

The current OL isn't good enough, yet they had the league leading rusher, a 1000 yard WR and a 1000 yard TE and a QB throw for 4000 yards.

The OL is good. If they improve significantly they'd be the best in the league which isn't really likely.

They should be made to look better when facing few stacked boxes this year I believe.

[RunKC]

The Chiefs aren't going to rebuild the 02/03 OL. That was one of the best OL's in history.

The current OL isn't good enough, yet they had the league leading rusher, a 1000 yard WR and a 1000 yard TE and a QB throw for 4000 yards.

The OL is good. If they improve significantly they'd be the best in the league which isn't really likely.

Not sure how teams will consistently blitz us next year. If you spread out Tyreek, Watkins and Kelce as receivers, then you go for whoever is single covered.
I like the 2 back option as well:

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Lot of options for Pat if a defense blitzes

[ModSocks]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Despite having:<br>-the NFL&#39;s fastest player<br>-the league&#39;s rushing leader<br>-the league&#39;s 2nd best TE<br>-the addition of Sammy Watkins <br>-arguably the NFL&#39;s strongest arm<br>...the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> aren&#39;t predicted to have a top 10 offense.<a href="https://t.co/FvG1mH6ynI">https://t.co/FvG1mH6ynI</a></p>&mdash; Matt Conner (@MattConnerAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattConnerAA/status/996833171068149761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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2nd best TE?

I disagree. I'd much rather have Kelce. That's not homerism. That's knowledge.

[Willie Lanier]

Lol. Need to improve significantly? Do you know that Alex Smith had a career season last year, was at some point in the conversation for the MVP award and that the Chiefs offense, including the running game, was elite?

His football takes must be taken with a grain of salt, he really doesn't know the game all that well...

[CasselGotPeedOn]

Wtf. You people are insane homers.
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Am I the only one that thinks Mahomes is a Terrible prospect? His footwork is awful and it's not something that will be fixed in the NFL. He has so many throws that come off his back foot or off balance and not even out of necessity. It's just his natural throwing style to do so.

Most of the QBs need work, but he needs the most work by far and I don't think he'll ever fix his mechanics especially not by 2018 when I want our drafted QB to start by.
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Sweet take

[BleedingRed]

The top of the NFL was 3577 yrds, 34 TD last year. I think expectations are getting a little out of control thinking Mahomes is going to be top-3 in Yrd/TD in his 1st year starting.

Look I get it, but let me show you why I strongly believe he will be.......

https://usathss.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/usatsi_10045065.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1

That and the fact ( I know its was BIG 12) Mahomes hasn't thrown for less than 4,600 yard and 30+ TD's his whole starting career.

He has Sammy Watkins/ Tyreek Hill / Travis Kelce / Kareem Hunt....... He has never had target of this quality. Add the fact he has the leagues leading rusher... and a HC who is known for getting the most our of QB's in a QB Friendly system.....

I know it seems impossible, but the closest Andy Ried has ever had to this unit level of talent is when Mike Vick was starting. (AND EVEN THEN HE DIDN'T HAVE A TE with this level of talent)Get ready to see games that look like this.......


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[-King-]

Sweet take

I think/hope I was wrong. I'll own my dumbass takes. I'm just a fan on a message board.
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[Priest31kc]

I think some of the low projections might be because of our schedule...

According to Warren Sharp we have the 5th hardest schedule and face the 2nd hardest defenses collectively. We face the fewest bottom 10 teams (2) and the most top 10 teams (6)...

Chargers have the 3rd easiest schedule. Raiders with the 5th. Texans with the easiest schedule, Watson will have a much easier time than Mahomes, so when Pat puts up similar or better numbers it'll be even more impressive.

Oh and the Patriots with the 2nd easiest schedule, Jags with the 4th...

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/79906/298/superior-strength-of-schedule

[Priest31kc]

The schedule really is rough this year. It's really the only thing that's preventing me from going full homer and saying Pat will put up 4,500 yards & 35 TDs in his first season.

If he gets this team to 10-6 or better and gets us to the playoffs again and puts up big time numbers against this schedule in his first season...Man.

Can't wait for this season

[Halfcan]

I think some of the low projections might be because of our schedule...

According to Warren Sharp we have the 5th hardest schedule and face the 2nd hardest defenses collectively. We face the fewest bottom 10 teams (2) and the most top 10 teams (6)...

Chargers have the 3rd easiest schedule. Raiders with the 5th. Texans with the easiest schedule, Watson will have a much easier time than Mahomes, so when Pat puts up similar or better numbers it'll be even more impressive.

Oh and the Patriots with the 2nd easiest schedule, Jags with the 4th...

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/79906/298/superior-strength-of-schedule

Good- if you want to be the best...you have to beat the best. We will roll into the playoffs having beaten the best defenses in the NFL.

[New World Order]

The media just doesn't get it.

When we drafted Mahomes they said KC reached for an unready and raw prospect. He balls out in preseason and at Denver then in some of the 2017 mock redrafts they have Mahomes going in the top 6.

Now, they doubt our offense because they think Mahomes isn't ready.

They will find out soon.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

The media just doesn't get it.

When we drafted Mahomes they said KC reached for an unready and raw prospect. He balls out in preseason and at Denver then in some of the 2017 mock redrafts they have Mahomes going in the top 6.

Now, they doubt our offense because they think Mahomes isn't ready.

They will find out soon.

It's all good , we fans that really follow the team know what's coming. Mahomes is going to light it up.

[Chiefshrink]

Lol. Need to improve significantly? Do you know that Alex Smith had a career season last year, was at some point in the conversation for the MVP award and that the Chiefs offense, including the running game, was elite?

We had the leading rusher in the NFL and a QB that threw for over 4,000 yards behind an O line with starters missing last year.

I think they will be better this year, at least I hope so. What we do know- the play won't be over when our QB is flushed out of the pocket like it was last year. Defenses won't be able to stack the line either. Mahomes will make the O line better with his skillset and pocket awareness.

You apparently don't realize that part of the reason the running game struggled at times (especially during that mid-season slump) was because teams were stacking the box and keying on the running game. Alex Smith and his struggles and short passing made teams stop respecting the passing game. IMO, Pat Mahommes should make defenses respect the passing game on the whole field. And that, in turn, should open up the running game. It's not just about blocking.

You all make fair points. And I do realize the AS struggles and the Mahomes effect but our o-line needs to get some nastiness if we are going deep into the playoffs. We cannot run at will when needed. There are times when you have to run at will even if the box is stacked and we cannot do that is my point. Our running game did not stay elite last year because we lack nastiness in the trenches regardless if the box is stacked or not. The Mahomes effect will help no doubt BUT if you cannot run at will when needed it makes it easier to defend Mahomes & Co. especially in the red zone.

The current OL isn't good enough,
The OL is good.

:spock:

Our o-line is just okay IMHO.

[TEX]

It's all good , we fans that really follow the team know what's coming. Mahomes is going to light it up.

Yep, AND if he played in a BIG market, the media would be on board as well.

[BleedingRed]

Yep, AND if he played in a BIG market, the media would be on board as well.

fact

[O.city]

You all make fair points. And I do realize the AS struggles and the Mahomes effect but our o-line needs to get some nastiness if we are going deep into the playoffs. We cannot run at will when needed. There are times when you have to run at will even if the box is stacked and we cannot do that is my point. Our running game did not stay elite last year because we lack nastiness in the trenches regardless if the box is stacked or not. The Mahomes effect will help no doubt BUT if you cannot run at will when needed it makes it easier to defend Mahomes & Co. especially in the red zone.



:spock:

Our o-line is just okay IMHO.

It’s a shell game with the cap. You can’t put that many resources to one place is what makes it tough. Look at Dallas. All that capitol in the ol and other parts struggle. Gotta hit on some cheap labor somewhere.

And the chiefs ol helped the chiefs to a legitimate top 5 offense last year. It’s not the chiefs ol of 03, but realistically we probably won’t wver see that again

[COchief]

I have suffered from battered Chief's fan syndrome my entire life and it seems you have it too by the way you attacked my post. Like if we get too excited or too optimistic about Mahomes- he will bust or get hurt. I am so excited for the season, I am sorry if the optimism intimidates you. I will dial it back. Please accept my sincerest apologies. I hope we can be friends and enjoy Mahomes ****ing steamrolling teams this year. :)

Thanks and sorry man, I admittedly am so on edge about Mahome's potential and I absolutely agree that I think he could legitimately dominate the league for a decade plus, it was probably the trauma of battered Chiefs syndrome getting the best of me and for whatever reason your post had such an air of certainty (to me I guess) that it made me flip out.

I wish people would refrain from Brady comparisons for at least a decade (I don't even like the prick, but his career is undeniable). People in general do not respect the GOATs and don't seem to comprehend what the greatest of all time truly means, Jordan comparisons piss me off more than anything (again a prick IMO, but undeniable greatness). Anyway, offseason blows and I'm not directing the GOAT stuff at you in particular, just ranting a bit. Cheers :toast:

[Molitoth]

Chiefs and Mahomes are getting zero respect.

I'm cool with that. Teams are going to be unprepared.

[Hydrae]

I'm cool with that. Teams are going to be unprepared.

I have a feeling that fans from other teams and the sports media in general are the only ones who will be surprised. I am quite confident that the coaches for the rest of the league have at least some idea what we have at QB and if not, will figure it out really quickly!

[Halfcan]

Thanks and sorry man, I admittedly am so on edge about Mahome's potential and I absolutely agree that I think he could legitimately dominate the league for a decade plus, it was probably the trauma of battered Chiefs syndrome getting the best of me and for whatever reason your post had such an air of certainty (to me I guess) that it made me flip out.

I wish people would refrain from Brady comparisons for at least a decade (I don't even like the prick, but his career is undeniable). People in general do not respect the GOATs and don't seem to comprehend what the greatest of all time truly means, Jordan comparisons piss me off more than anything (again a prick IMO, but undeniable greatness). Anyway, offseason blows and I'm not directing the GOAT stuff at you in particular, just ranting a bit. Cheers :toast:

The comparisons I have made have been to Dan Marino. Lots of them (mostly for fun) in the Charger thread.

As far as being certain he is going to be great- everything Mahomes has done impresses me, from his work ethic to natural talent. I guess we will see how it plays out.

Brady is given the GOAT title now because of his SB performances and it is hard to argue with that logic. But- he has had the luxury of playing on stacked teams in a historic weak division. IMO Farve, Brees and Marino are better.

[Halfcan]

I'm cool with that. Teams are going to be unprepared.



Kind of the like the Pats last year. We rained destruction all over their parade.

[Tombstone RJ]

The media just doesn't get it.

When we drafted Mahomes they said KC reached for an unready and raw prospect. He balls out in preseason and at Denver then in some of the 2017 mock redrafts they have Mahomes going in the top 6.

Now, they doubt our offense because they think Mahomes isn't ready.

They will find out soon.

The media is acknowledging that PM has one game under his belt, a game where he didn't even play the entire game. There's no reason to think that KC will win the AFCW, when both the chargers and the raiders have good, veteran QBs, and good defenses.

[Rain Man]

I have a feeling that fans from other teams and the sports media in general are the only ones who will be surprised. I am quite confident that the coaches for the rest of the league have at least some idea what we have at QB and if not, will figure it out really quickly!

Elway doesn't, but then again Elway drafted Paxton Lynch and Brock Osweiler high. When it comes to quarterbacking, one should always assume that the truth is the opposite of Elway's opinion.