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Rain Man
08-27-2018, 09:40 PM
Vote for the person that you think would win this match in a battle to death or submission. As background, assume that prior to the tournament you received 10 minutes of training on every weapon. The time listed is the amount of time before the match where you learn what the weaponry and venue is. All participants are handed their weapons at t=0 unless stated otherwise.

Venue - Floating in the Dead Sea
Starting Distance - 99 feet

Fire Me Boy!

Main Weapon - Pirate cutlass
Backup Weapon - None

Prep Time - 6 Minutes
Special Factors - You just ran 6 miles to get to the fight because your alarm didn't go off

Bwana

Main Weapon - Pirate cutlass
Backup Weapon - Small Ball Peen Hammer

Prep Time - 14 seconds
Special Factors - You're wearing a football helmet and a 40-lb. backpack of bricks that you can't remove

Pasta Little Brioni
08-27-2018, 09:44 PM
JFC

Buehler445
08-27-2018, 09:47 PM
So they're swimming or like standing on drift wood or something?

Rain Man
08-27-2018, 09:48 PM
So they're swimming or like standing on drift wood or something?

They're in the water. Swimming or floating or however they wish to avoid drowning in a Biblical manner.

Buehler445
08-27-2018, 09:49 PM
I like bwana here. He can throw the ball peen and use the backpack as a shield.

Unless they're swimming. If they're swimming, he boned.

Buehler445
08-27-2018, 09:49 PM
OK, if they're swimming, its FMB!

Pasta Little Brioni
08-27-2018, 09:50 PM
Can FMB even swim ROFL

Rain Man
08-27-2018, 09:51 PM
We need one of our physics people to do some math comparing the buoyancy of the Dead Sea against the weight of a brick backpack. For a typical person, isn't it almost impossible to drown?

Rain Man
08-27-2018, 09:53 PM
Hmm, interesting. It's not at all what I would have thought, and for a reason I wouldn't have suspected.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/5798844/why-so-many-people-drown-in-the-dead-sea

Rain Man
08-27-2018, 10:14 PM
Here's my theory. Fire Me Boy! is going to be weak-legged and tired, so it'll be hard for him to draw out the match in the early stages, but if he does, he'll get stronger while Bwana gets weaker.

Bwana, on the other hand, will have fresh legs, but he's going to tire quickly. He has to close fast on Fire Me Boy! and make the match happen fast. But at a distance of 99 feet, I think he can do it.

If he can close the distance, he now also has some armor with the helmet and backpack. Surprisingly, I think the helmet will be the difference maker here. But that assumes that Bwana can stay afloat with 40 pounds of bricks. I'm going to do some more research on that.

NJChiefsFan
08-27-2018, 10:21 PM
What kind of face mask are we talking about. I wouldn't want a nose tackles face mask while I'm trying to fend of a sword.

Rain Man
08-27-2018, 10:26 PM
What kind of face mask are we talking about. I wouldn't want a nose tackles face mask while I'm trying to fend of a sword.

Tight end.

https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/2018/01/06/travis-kelce-head-injury-chiefs-titans.jpg

Buehler445
08-27-2018, 10:30 PM
The other thing is it’s going to be hard as hell to fight with a sword I while swimming. Do they get a sheath or scabbard to store the thing while they swim? If not that makes mobility far more difficult.

NJChiefsFan
08-27-2018, 10:32 PM
That face mask seems fine, although how would I really know if it would work. That article you posted implies it's really hard to stand on the bottom due to the density of the water. This is going to be a potentially awkward fight.

Buehler445
08-27-2018, 10:32 PM
Here's my theory. Fire Me Boy! is going to be weak-legged and tired, so it'll be hard for him to draw out the match in the early stages, but if he does, he'll get stronger while Bwana gets weaker.

Bwana, on the other hand, will have fresh legs, but he's going to tire quickly. He has to close fast on Fire Me Boy! and make the match happen fast. But at a distance of 99 feet, I think he can do it.

If he can close the distance, he now also has some armor with the helmet and backpack. Surprisingly, I think the helmet will be the difference maker here. But that assumes that Bwana can stay afloat with 40 pounds of bricks. I'm going to do some more research on that.

That answer is easy. Do what the mongols and other horse bound armies did when fighting infantry. Retreat. FMB just has to swim the other way. He should be able to outswim Bwana fairly easily and he can just retreat and fight at his leisure.

Buehler445
08-27-2018, 10:33 PM
That face mask seems fine, although how would I really know if it would work. That article you posted implies it's really hard to stand on the bottom due to the density of the water. This is going to be a potentially awkward fight.

Dead Sea is deep enough you’re not touching bottom, no?

NJChiefsFan
08-27-2018, 10:37 PM
Dead Sea is deep enough you’re not touching bottom, no?

I was thinking around the shore but the article talked about how people drown because it's so hard to turn yourself perpendicular to the surface of the water. If it's that hard to get yourself vertical it could be quite a show.

The Franchise
08-27-2018, 10:42 PM
They both die.

Rain Man
08-27-2018, 10:45 PM
Okay, tell me if I'm messing this up. I'm calculating Bwana's buoyancy.

First, we look at the bricks.

The density of the Dead Sea is 1240 kg/m3.
The density of bricks are 1900 kg/m3.

So we know that the bricks are weighing him down, but essentially 2/3 of the weight will be supported by the water.

40 pounds of bricks = 18.2 kg.

If I want to do the math right, 18.2 kg of bricks takes up 0.009569378
m3. The buoyancy of the water will therefore support 0.009569378 m3
*1240 kg/m3, or 11.87 kg. The downward force is of course 18.2 kg, so the bricks are effectively a downward weight of 6.32 kg.

Now we look at Bwana's body. If we assume that he's 190 pounds as an estimate, and we see that the typical human body has a density of 985 kg/m3, then his body will have a volume of 0.087678819 m3. Running the numbers, his body is less dense than the water, so it'll have an upward force (buoyancy) of roughly 22.4 kg.

If my calculations are correct, Bwana will still float easily while wearing 40 pounds of bricks. In fact, he'll be closer to neutral buoyancy, which I think will make him more maneuverable. I've got to go with Bwana on this one.

kysirsoze
08-27-2018, 11:53 PM
Okay, tell me if I'm messing this up. I'm calculating Bwana's buoyancy.

First, we look at the bricks.

The density of the Dead Sea is 1240 kg/m3.
The density of bricks are 1900 kg/m3.

So we know that the bricks are weighing him down, but essentially 2/3 of the weight will be supported by the water.

40 pounds of bricks = 18.2 kg.

If I want to do the math right, 18.2 kg of bricks takes up 0.009569378
m3. The buoyancy of the water will therefore support 0.009569378 m3
*1240 kg/m3, or 11.87 kg. The downward force is of course 18.2 kg, so the bricks are effectively a downward weight of 6.32 kg.

Now we look at Bwana's body. If we assume that he's 190 pounds as an estimate, and we see that the typical human body has a density of 985 kg/m3, then his body will have a volume of 0.087678819 m3. Running the numbers, his body is less dense than the water, so it'll have an upward force (buoyancy) of roughly 22.4 kg.

If my calculations are correct, Bwana will still float easily while wearing 40 pounds of bricks. In fact, he'll be closer to neutral buoyancy, which I think will make him more maneuverable. I've got to go with Bwana on this one.

I was just gonna post how dead Bwana is and then this post. I barely know what it means, but I trust Rainman to do math, so... Sorry FMB.

Fire Me Boy!
08-28-2018, 07:44 AM
Okay, tell me if I'm messing this up. I'm calculating Bwana's buoyancy.

First, we look at the bricks.

The density of the Dead Sea is 1240 kg/m3.
The density of bricks are 1900 kg/m3.

So we know that the bricks are weighing him down, but essentially 2/3 of the weight will be supported by the water.

40 pounds of bricks = 18.2 kg.

If I want to do the math right, 18.2 kg of bricks takes up 0.009569378
m3. The buoyancy of the water will therefore support 0.009569378 m3
*1240 kg/m3, or 11.87 kg. The downward force is of course 18.2 kg, so the bricks are effectively a downward weight of 6.32 kg.

Now we look at Bwana's body. If we assume that he's 190 pounds as an estimate, and we see that the typical human body has a density of 985 kg/m3, then his body will have a volume of 0.087678819 m3. Running the numbers, his body is less dense than the water, so it'll have an upward force (buoyancy) of roughly 22.4 kg.

If my calculations are correct, Bwana will still float easily while wearing 40 pounds of bricks. In fact, he'll be closer to neutral buoyancy, which I think will make him more maneuverable. I've got to go with Bwana on this one.As the competition runner, you should refrain from any analysis of the fights. I call shananigans.

Fire Me Boy!
08-28-2018, 07:45 AM
That answer is easy. Do what the mongols and other horse bound armies did when fighting infantry. Retreat. FMB just has to swim the other way. He should be able to outswim Bwana fairly easily and he can just retreat and fight at his leisure.This is what I'd do. Retreat until Bwana tires and sinks.

threebag
08-28-2018, 08:05 AM
Can FMB even swim ROFL

Not after a six mile run

Fire Me Boy!
08-28-2018, 08:44 AM
Not after a six mile runIt's the dead sea. I float.

Rain Man
08-28-2018, 08:47 AM
As the competition runner, you should refrain from any analysis of the fights. I call shananigans.

Sorry about that. My curiosity got the best of me. In an effort to remain neutral, I'll observe that you will be far more buoyant without the bricks.

Bwana
08-28-2018, 08:54 AM
It's the dead sea. I float.

After a 6 mile run, you'll float alright. If the 6 mile run doesn't kill you off, Bwana will be waiting for you. :reaper:

Pasta Little Brioni
08-28-2018, 09:09 AM
I envision Bwana having a hidden side piece or Bowie knife, so that adds to his advantage.

MagicHef
08-28-2018, 09:57 AM
Are they in a location that is deep enough that they can't reach the bottom?

The backpack should rotate Bwana so he is face up, I think he may actually have an easier time keeping his face above the water.

Rain Man
08-28-2018, 10:19 AM
I envision Bwana having a hidden side piece or Bowie knife, so that adds to his advantage.

Contestants are screened before each match to ensure that they are not bringing in outside weaponry or snacks.

Bwana
08-28-2018, 10:42 AM
Contestants are screened before each match to ensure that they are not bringing in outside weaponry or snacks.

Interesting theory. :D

Pasta Little Brioni
08-28-2018, 10:54 AM
Contestants are screened before each match to ensure that they are not bringing in outside weaponry or snacks.

...he still smuggles in a side piece or Bowie knife

Rain Man
08-28-2018, 11:19 AM
Interesting theory. :D

Hey. You're buying my popcorn and Jujubes or you're out of the tournament.

Bwana
08-28-2018, 11:32 AM
Hey. You're buying my popcorn and Jujubes or you're out of the tournament.
LMAO

Rain Man
09-02-2018, 03:47 PM
Bwana floats, and so does Fire Me Boy!...after a few days. Bwana moves on to Round 4.