Chiefs Give Erving Extension

[dlphg9]

According to 610

Wtf?

[Archie Bunker]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs announce they’ve signed OL Cam Erving to a contract extension</p>&mdash; Brooke Pryor (@bepryor) <a href="https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1037048351538245632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[MMXcalibur]

To the half-inflated flotation device!

[DaKCMan AP]

LMAO

[Deberg_1990]

They like his upside!

[KC Hawks]

I'd rather they give Julius Erving an extension.

[The Franchise]

Veach, you fucking moron.

[carcosa]

Lol

[carcosa]

Lol

[dj562006]

6yr 32mil was what someone told me.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

6yr 32mil was what someone told me.

If that’s true, I’m gonna shoot my dick clean off.

[siberian khatru]

To someone who just lost his starting job

[Marcellus]

Just a logical guess here but its to reduce his $1.7MM cap hit (with no cap relief for cutting him) this season which makes you wonder who they may be getting ready to sign.

[KC Hawks]

6yr 32mil was what someone told me.

Good first post after waiting 4 and a half years.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I highly doubt it’s worth much of anything. He’s the swing tackle, that’s it.

[Archie Bunker]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OT/OG Cam Erving has agreed to a two-year extension with the Chiefs worth up to $15.7M, depending on how much he plays, per source. Deal also includes $6.45M in guarantees and makes him one of the highest-paid swing linemen in the league.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1037052457636032513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good god

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Just a logical guess here but its to reduce his $1.7MM cap hit (with no cap relief for cutting him) this season which makes you wonder who they may be getting ready to sign.

Earl? :hmmm:

I know it sounds outlandish but this team should be going for it these next couple of years big time..

[The Franchise]

I wonder if it’s so that he’s easily more releaseable later in the season. He’s fully guaranteed righty now.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OT/OG Cam Erving has agreed to a two-year extension with the Chiefs worth up to $15.7M, depending on how much he plays, per source. Deal also includes $6.45M in guarantees and makes him one of the highest-paid swing linemen in the league.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1037052457636032513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fuck.

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OT/OG Cam Erving has agreed to a two-year extension with the Chiefs worth up to $15.7M, depending on how much he plays, per source. Deal also includes $6.45M in guarantees and makes him one of the highest-paid swing linemen in the league.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1037052457636032513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good god

I wonder if it’s so that he’s easily more releaseable later in the season. He’s fully guaranteed righty now.

Or fucking not.

Holy fuck. Erving fucking sucks.

[The Franchise]

Officially beats out the Peters trade as Veach’s worst move as a GM.

[Sassy Squatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OT/OG Cam Erving has agreed to a two-year extension with the Chiefs worth up to $15.7M, depending on how much he plays, per source. Deal also includes $6.45M in guarantees and makes him one of the highest-paid swing linemen in the league.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1037052457636032513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good god
This takes Veach down a whole bunch of levels. How the **** could you sit there as an evaluator of professional football players and give this sack of shit that kind of contract.

[O.city]

What the fuck? Really?

[hometeam]

wtffffffffff

[Mecca]

For some reason they are in love with this guy...I dunno why.

[kccrow]

This is a joke right? Like, Veach isn't this fucking retarded?

[Kiimo]

Somebody post the gif from the first preseason game of Cam and Fisher letting their guys destroy Mahomes.

I'm so irrationally angry about this. I just...I can't today. Fuck this team.

[JakeF]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This preseason, Cam Erving allowed 7 total pressures on 53 pass-block snaps.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1037049025357402112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[edited because I suck at math]

Most good offensive linemen are over 90% on pressures. Cam Irving is at 87% this preseason. What is Veach thinking?

[TLO]

HOO BOY

[BWillie]

The ****?

[KC Hawks]

Is Brett Veach Direckshun?

[Perineum Ripper]

Well





Fuck

[Archie Bunker]

Not sure why the Chiefs seem to love overpaying shitty swing tackles. They did the same thing with Jah Reid for a few years. Makes no sense to me.

[JoeyChuckles]

Remember we all agreed on the phrase Son of a Veach.

Please use it appropriately.

[Kiimo]

It's amazing how in four weeks I've gone from "Trust in Veach best young GM in the league" to "The Chiefs are run by a spider monkey on bath salts" but here we are.

What in the everliving fuck.

[Marcellus]

What. The. Fuck.

[sedated]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OT/OG Cam Erving has agreed to a two-year extension with the Chiefs worth up to $15.7M, depending on how much he plays, per source. Deal also includes $6.45M in guarantees and makes him one of the highest-paid swing linemen in the league.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1037052457636032513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good god



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[Shoes]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This preseason, Cam Erving allowed 7 total pressures on 53 pass-block snaps.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1037049025357402112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Most good offensive linemen are over 90% on pressures allowed. Cam Irving is at 13% this preseason. Beyond terrible, what is Veach thinking?

Sorry wouldn't that mean Erving is at 87%? 46/53 snaps he did not allow pressure, or am I reading this wrong?

Either way I hate the move also.

[Chiefnj2]

Should have kept Zach Fulton

[SAUTO]

ROFL

Fucking Dorsey strikes again.

[JakeF]

Sorry wouldn't that mean Erving is at 87%? 46/53 snaps he did not allow pressure, or am I reading this wrong?

Either way I hate the move also.
I guess I figured it backward. It was 13%, but I need to subtract the 13% from 100 to get the proper pressure %. Sorry, I'm dumb. Thanks for the fix.

[dlphg9]

God damn fucking idiot. I mean let's not fucking sign Breeland, but fucking give some shit hole lineman an extension. Also Brad Fanning is a fucking idiot.

[wazu]

Not sure how people can melt down over this. Backup lineman on deal that could be heavily incentive laden. Cap move and probably some hope that he develops. Not seeing the big problem.

[BlackOp]

Sorry wouldn't that mean Erving is at 87%? 46/53 snaps he did not allow pressure, or am I reading this wrong?

Either way I hate the move also.

Yes...someone needs a basic math refresher coarse...ha.

[RunKC]

Per Terez it sounds like the deal is incentive based on how much he plays.

[Sassy Squatch]

Not sure how people can melt down over this. Backup lineman on deal that could be heavily incentive laden. Cap move and probably some hope that he develops. Not seeing the big problem.
He. Is. Fucking. Terrible. 2 teams have tried him at virtually every spot on the OL and he's failed literally every time.

[Demonpenz]

The offensive line is so bad Mahomes is going to last a couple weeks get hurt, come back get hurt again out for the year rehab next year look good all through preseason get hurt ups and downs through another rehab then come back and be shitty then get released then in 2021 the chiefs will be looking for a new qb.

[kccrow]

Per Terez it sounds like the deal is incentive based on how much he plays.

6.5 million guaranteed is more than enough to make me want to puke. He isn't worth 1/6th of that.

[JakeF]

Should have kept Zach Fulton
Yep, keep Fulton at center and slide Morse over to LG. Such an improvement at LG would make Fisher's play much better as well.

[O.city]

Morse isn't playing guard. Can we move on from that fucking idea?

[ChiefAshhole1056]

My only guess is that they like the fact they can plug him anywhere on the line if a starter goes down (flexibility allows the extra roster spots for other positions) and they like how he’s progressing.

Other than that his tape has been ass and he doesn’t deserve near that type of money. Hopefully Veach knows what he’s doing here.

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs will pay Cam Erving $10 million over the next three seasons, with incentives based on snaps that would push it higher. There’s value in versatility — Chiefs think he can play guard, center and tackle.</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/1037054400546701313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[JakeF]

Yes...someone needs a basic math refresher coarse...ha.It's been a long time since i've done any math. ROFL

[New World Order]

Because we are the Chiefs

[CoMoChief]

wtf????

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs will pay Cam Erving $10 million over the next three seasons, with incentives based on snaps that would push it higher. There’s value in versatility — Chiefs think he can play guard, center and tackle.</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/1037054400546701313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Sure but the question is can he play all three of those well. And the answer to that is no.

[staylor26]

How the fuck does a guy get an extension after he gets benched?

LMAO

[O.city]

I mean, I get that he can passably play 3 spots. But if that's the case, why the hell do we need all the other 5 backup lineman?

weird.

[Sassy Squatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs will pay Cam Erving $10 million over the next three seasons, with incentives based on snaps that would push it higher. There’s value in versatility — Chiefs think he can play guard, center and tackle.</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/1037054400546701313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I must be versatile as fuck then, because I can do a lot of things at a bottom of the barrel level.

[O.city]

Sure but the question is can he play all three of those well. And the answer to that is no.

Well, if he could play one that well, he wouldn't be a backup or swing player.

[RunKC]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs will pay Cam Erving $10 million over the next three seasons, with incentives based on snaps that would push it higher. There’s value in versatility — Chiefs think he can play guard, center and tackle.</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/1037054400546701313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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So he’s making a little over $3 million average unless he is forced to play? And people wanted to keep Fulton?

This deal is HALF of what Fulton just got. Paying a guy $3 million per year isn’t that much. It’s less than 2% of the salary cap.

[Fish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs will pay Cam Erving $10 million over the next three seasons, with incentives based on snaps that would push it higher. There’s value in versatility — Chiefs think he can play guard, center and tackle.</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/1037054400546701313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I bet he could play male cheerleader as well. That doesn't mean we should make him the highest paid male cheerleader in the league...

[JakeF]

Morse isn't playing guard. Can we move on from that fucking idea?
My plan is better than what the Chiefs just did.

[O.city]

My plan is better than what the Chiefs just did.

Ok.

It still stands that Morse won't ever play G.

[JakeF]

So he’s making a little over $3 million average unless he is forced to play? And people wanted to keep Fulton?

This deal is HALF of what Fulton just got. Paying a guy $3 million per year isn’t that much. It’s less than 2% of the salary cap.
You are still playing a guy that sucks.

[Mecca]

The Chiefs tend to place to much value in versatility, that's how Sorenson got paid too..

I get a OL that can play 3 spots is helpful when you can only dress so many guys but geez.

[Mecca]

You are still playing a guy that sucks.

This is the truth, he's alright at tackle like good enough to fill in for a game or 2, but on the interior he just isn't strong enough.

[JakeF]

Ok.

It still stands that Morse won't ever play G.
Congratulations, you're right.

You're right and we suck.

[Red Dawg]

And we thought the Raiders screwed up? What the hell is this shit?

[O.city]

Yeah, looking around the league at the OL problem, if someone gets hurt you're usually playing something that's awful. Atleast Erving isn't awful?

I dunno. I'm pretty much punting on this.

[Sassy Squatch]

So he’s making a little over $3 million average unless he is forced to play? And people wanted to keep Fulton?

This deal is HALF of what Fulton just got. Paying a guy $3 million per year isn’t that much. It’s less than 2% of the salary cap.
Lol. Fulton can actually play football at a competent level. Erving just got benched.

[dlphg9]

It makes absolutely no sense. He's already signed, so he will be able to back up this year. Then we could use a pick to draft someone that'll be just as good and probably better than him and not waste the money on his worthless ass

[The Franchise]

Yeah, looking around the league at the OL problem, if someone gets hurt you're usually playing something that's awful. Atleast Erving isn't awful?

I dunno. I'm pretty much punting on this.

Then don’t brag about his versatility if that’s the case because dude sucks at OG and OC. Come out and say....he’s our swing tackle. Dude just got beat out at the LG spot and gets an extension.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Did we cut Tyreek to come up with the money ?

[The Franchise]

My only hope is that it will be easy to release him next offseason.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I think Veach had a seizure and pressed a wrong button. They shouldn't put the cut and extension buttons so close to each other

[Mecca]

It makes absolutely no sense. He's already signed, so he will be able to back up this year. Then we could use a pick to draft someone that'll be just as good and probably better than him and not waste the money on his worthless ass

They're telling you they don't want to have to deal with signing him in the offseason, there's a good chance Morse is out after this year..and with the defensive issues the last thing they want is having to fill 3 OL spots in one year if Morse and Erving both left and LG was still a problem.

This is totally about hedging the bets on "vet versatile backup is worth the money now than overpaying in FA or using a draft pick when we'd rather not"

[O.city]

Andy probably really likes his work ethic.

I think it's pretty obvious Andy is calling most the shots here.

[ct]

chiefs have such a fascination for this guy cause he's versatile, but being diversely shit at 5 different spots isnt a plus.

i get it that it's not a high $ deal as a backup but if he does play and get paid to suck? this is dumb.

[O.city]

They're telling you they don't want to have to deal with signing him in the offseason, there's a good chance Morse is out after this year..and with the defensive issues the last thing they want is having to fill 3 OL spots in one year if Morse and Erving both left and LG was still a problem.

This is totally about hedging the bets on "vet versatile backup is worth the money now than overpaying in FA or using a draft pick when we'd rather not"

He's not even playing LG now though.

[OldSchool]

ROFL

[JakeF]

The Chiefs tend to place to much value in versatility, that's how Sorenson got paid too..

I get a OL that can play 3 spots is helpful when you can only dress so many guys but geez.
You are so right, so painfully right. :(

I didn't even think about how much Andy Reid loves versatility until you brought it up. The problem is that versatility isn't worth much if the player isn't good enough to start at least one position.

[Sassy Squatch]

Veach learned absolutely nothing from what caused Dorsey to lose his job.

[Mecca]

He's not even playing LG now though.

Yes I know but what if this year ends and they need a LG a C and a swing OT? That's a ton of spots to fill when you may need 2 CB and a safety...and other shit too.

[Mecca]

Veach learned absolutely nothing from what caused Dorsey to lose his job.

That is because Andy Reid tends to really have the say in this shit.

[O.city]

Veach learned absolutely nothing from what caused Dorsey to lose his job.

"whispers" it's not Veach, it's Andy. Same as it was before

[O.city]

Yes I know but what if this year ends and they need a LG a C and a swing OT? That's a ton of spots to fill when you may need 2 CB and a safety...and other shit too.

Sure.

Draft better or something.

[JakeF]

Veach learned absolutely nothing from what caused Dorsey to lose his job.
How so? Dorsey lost his job because Reid wanted full power while Veach is doing what Andy tells him to do.

[Mecca]

Sure.

Draft better or something.

Easy to say in theory, I also don't think they feel comfortable with the idea of some 5th round OT being the first guy off the bench if someone is hurt...

It's really not a great contract at all but it's them hedging their bets thinking "he's good enough for now and we need to spend our resources on other things"

[bevischief]

JFC...

[dj56dt58]

6yr 32mil was what someone told me.

We need to have a talk

[Quesadilla Joe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is very much a bias tweet... but Cam Erving (if he reaches his incentives) is getting paid more than my brother on APY. It’s not Cam’s fault but it’s time for the Chiefs to redo Mitch’s deal and give him a raise.</p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1037058361597079553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Cosmos]

Should have kept Zach Fulton

X10

[Sassy Squatch]

That is because Andy Reid tends to really have the say in this shit.
Unless Andy Reid is directly responsible for negotiating contracts this falls squarely on the shoulders of Veach. Absolutely no excuse to overpay JAGs to this extent.

[TambaBerry]

i legitimately went wtf this cant be serious to a full on laugh

[Sassy Squatch]

God help us when it's time for Jones and Hill to sign their extensions.

[JakeF]

Unless Andy Reid is directly responsible for negotiating contracts this falls squarely on the shoulders of Veach. Absolutely no excuse to overpay JAGs to this extent.
They said the same about contracts by Dorsey.

The common denominator is Andy Reid.

[RunKC]

Erving started at Denver when Von and Barrett played a lot and gave up no sacks.

Wonder if they saw that performance and thought that he is a capable swing tackle? Anyone have his PFF score from that game?

[Mecca]

X10

Do you realize how much money Zach Fulton got paid? That is why signing FA offensive linemen is not a good idea.

[staylor26]

Erving started at Denver when Von and Barrett played a lot and gave up no sacks.

Wonder if they saw that performance and thought that he is a capable swing tackle? Anyone have his PFF score from that game?

I don’t know but based on that game I definitely think he’s better at T than G.

[AssEaterChief]

If that’s true, I’m gonna shoot my dick clean off.

ROFL

[ModSocks]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OT/OG Cam Erving has agreed to a two-year extension with the Chiefs worth up to $15.7M, depending on how much he plays, per source. Deal also includes $6.45M in guarantees and makes him one of the highest-paid swing linemen in the league.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1037052457636032513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good god

I thought Veach was suppose to be good at this whole cap thing? WTF is this shit?

[O.city]

I don’t know but based on that game I definitely think he’s better at T than G.

Based on the other how ever many games he's played, I think he sucks at everything.

[O.city]

I mean, it's 3 mil per year.

[Mecca]

I don’t know but based on that game I definitely think he’s better at T than G.

The guy played OT basically all of college then played C for his senior year and vaulted his draft stock from 3rd-4th round to 1st. Problem is he is still a finesse dude that looks like a OT. He doesn't have a big thick body to line up in the interior and deal with massive DT's at this level.

In college he basically looked like this athletic maven because he could pull and get out in front because centers don't move that way..no one seemed to notice that he's light in the ass and really tall to be playing that position consistently.

[Sassy Squatch]

I thought Veach was suppose to be good at this whole cap thing? WTF is this shit?
Sadly, it seems the opposite is true. Watkins, Hitchens, and now this?

[Marcellus]

Do you realize how much money Zach Fulton got paid? That is why signing FA offensive linemen is not a good idea.

Fulton will make more in guaranteed salary next year than what the entire Irving contract is worth if he hits the incentives.

[Mecca]

That Watkins deal isn't even bad it's a 2 year deal that can be easily escaped it's not like they are stuck with him for 7 years.

The Dorsey shit is overblown too. They can or could have gotten out of most every deal he signed really easily and quickly...they are stuck with Berry though and that is a Hunt one.

[Sassy Squatch]

I mean, it's 3 mil per year.
That shit adds up quick. Look at what scrublords like Bailey and Sorenson are costing us.

[Marcellus]

I thought Veach was suppose to be good at this whole cap thing? WTF is this shit?

This isn't the type of contract that hurts the cap, but I'm still not a fan of locking Irving in KC for another year or 2.

[Hoover]

You have to look at the market guys.

The LTD deal, which most of you freaked out about, now looks pretty damn good. The same is true with Fisher's contract. You sign Cam to an extention because you see the development and you pay him now (and control him for three more seasons) before you have to pay him real money.

I know this will not be popular, but we will look back at this and say it was another smart decision.

[Mecca]

That shit adds up quick. Look at what scrublords like Bailey and Sorenson are costing us.

Bailey could have been cut and saved them 8 million dollars...they are the ones that chose not to have anyone replace him.

Sorenson yea, that contract shouldn't be bad the issue is though he became wildly unproductive after signing it.

[O.city]

That shit adds up quick. Look at what scrublords like Bailey and Sorenson are costing us.

A lot more than 3 mil per year?

[JakeF]

Sadly, it seems the opposite is true. Watkins, Hitchens, and now this?Speaking of ... Watkins cap number goes up to 19m next yr, 21m the yr after.

[staylor26]

This isn't the type of contract that hurts the cap, but I'm still not a fan of locking Irving in KC for another year or 2.

This is how I feel. I don’t like it, but it’s not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. He’s a swing tackle and he got swing tackle money. It’s not going to kill us.

[Easy 6]

How the **** does a guy get an extension after he gets benched?

LMAO

They must seem to feel capable of eventually coaching him up into something

And maybe they're right, but I sure as hell dont trust Andy Heck with that job

[O.city]

You have to look at the market guys.

The LTD deal, which most of you freaked out about, now looks pretty damn good. The same is true with Fisher's contract. You sign Cam to an extention because you see the development and you pay him now (and control him for three more seasons) before you have to pay him real money.

I know this will not be popular, but we will look back at this and say it was another smart decision.

If he ends up being atleast decent, you're right.

Up to this point, we haven't seen that.

[staylor26]

Speaking of ... Watkins cap number goes up to 19m next yr, 21m the yr after.

He won’t even be here after next year.

[Mecca]

Speaking of ... Watkins cap number goes up to 19m next yr, 21m the yr after.

If he's still here in year 3, he probably has a new deal and it means he exploded...no one should really be bent up about that one.

[The Franchise]

Well they’d better fucking coach him up now.

[Sassy Squatch]

A lot more than 3 mil per year?
I'm talking about overpaying JAGs.

[-King-]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This preseason, Cam Erving allowed 7 total pressures on 53 pass-block snaps.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1037049025357402112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Most good offensive linemen are over 90% on pressures. Cam Irving is at 87% this preseason. What is Veach thinking?

Where did you get the 90% number from? And even if that's the number, 87% isn't bad then. Honestly, other than the 1st game, I didn't really notice him.
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[O.city]

If he hasn't been coached up yet, what the hell else do we expect to happen/

[JakeF]

A lot more than 3 mil per year?
Sorenson at 5m and Bailey at 8m?

[O.city]

I'm talking about overpaying JAGs.

Sure.

3 mil per year isn't really overpaying a JAG.

[Mecca]

I always try to remember when looking at these deals, the cap is way higher than it use to be. 3 mill a year is what 1.5 was 4 years ago.

[dtrain]

Before everyone freaks out
you guys need to learn how to read what this is saying
Its a 3 year deal worth 6.45 guaranteed.
The cap hit on this thing is going to be nothing over the 3 years.
Posted by CWil03 on Sep 4, 2018 | 2:31 PM

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[Sassy Squatch]

Sure.

3 mil per year isn't really overpaying a JAG.
I disagree. He just got beat out by Andrew fucking Wylie, who's really not all that good himself. You should easily be able to draft linemen in the later rounds at Ervings talent level. Dude is fucking awful.

[O.city]

I disagree. He just got beat out by Andrew ****ing Wylie, who's really not all that good himself. You should easily be able to draft linemen in the later rounds at Ervings talent level. Dude is ****ing awful.

He's an experienced vet in their system that they think can atleast be adequate. Like Mecca said, that's what we were used to seeing be like 1 mil per, but now it's 3.

It is what it is.

[O.city]

Also, how do we know Wylie isn't good?

[JakeF]

Before everyone freaks out
you guys need to learn how to read what this is saying
Its a 3 year deal worth 6.45 guaranteed.
The cap hit on this thing is going to be nothing over the 3 years.
Posted by CWil03 on Sep 4, 2018 | 2:31 PM

Comment from Arrowhead Pride
I'm more pissed about Irving still being on the team than the money. We need better players than this. If Irving becomes a starter again it will be doubly bad.

[Mecca]

I'm more pissed about Irving still being on the team than the money. We need better players than this. If Irving becomes a starter again it will be doubly bad.

NO TEAM in the league has 3 good OT's, a lot of teams don't have 2, what you're asking for is absurd.

[O.city]

But, this is also where you can see the value you gained with having a guy like Fulton be a versatile OL as a 6th round pick.

It's also what they need to have happen more on the defense.

[O.city]

NO TEAM in the league has 3 good OT's, a lot of teams don't have 2, what you're asking for is absurd.

I'm all for having a good OL and all, but people have warped ideas on OL play.

[TwistedChief]

Meh. Erving is below average but at least he's still relatively young and versatile. This isn't enough money that it's going to prevent the Chiefs from doing much of anything else. Maybe he actually improves or maybe he just continue to be a vanilla JAG in which case this contract is just meh.

At least we didn't draft him in the first round a few years ago like a lot of mocks had us doing.

[Mecca]

I'm all for having a good OL and all, but people have warped ideas on OL play.

Apparently we should use every 1st round pick on an OL, even if we have 5 starters cause our backups need to be great also!

Go look at the league and the backup OL, you'll see a ton of good teams that have guys way worse than Cam Erving as the 1st guy off the bench.

[Chiefnj2]

So he’s making a little over $3 million average unless he is forced to play? And people wanted to keep Fulton?

This deal is HALF of what Fulton just got. Paying a guy $3 million per year isn’t that much. It’s less than 2% of the salary cap.

Fulton was actually good. 4 years 28 million, 13 guaranteed was his contract.
And, it isn't just Erving's contract you have to consider, it is all the other scrubs they are signing and taking up roster spots to try to find a serviceable backup.

Per PFF:

9. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
2017 pass-blocking efficiency: 80.6

Best individual PBE: Zach Fulton, 98.3

[BryanBusby]

Outside of the Alex Smith trade, Veach has had a mostly fucking awful year.

[RunKC]

Erving was so bad starting last year that the offense averaged 28 points per game in the 4 games he started.

Fulton is not as valuable as Erving bc he can’t play tackle. We also just cleaned house at the OL positions 6-10. Ehinger and Witzmann are gone and Devey isn’t far behind.

I don’t see any problem paying such a small amount to a guy. You guys are acting like Erving making $3 million is the same as paying Fisher $14 million.

This is market value for a swing tackle, which really isn’t that much. Not really a big deal IMO.

[staylor26]

Erving was so bad starting last year that the offense averaged 28 points per game in the 4 games he started.

Fulton is not as valuable as Erving bc he can’t play tackle. We also just cleaned house at the OL positions 6-10. Ehinger and Witzmann are gone and Devey isn’t far behind.

I don’t see any problem paying such a small amount to a guy. You guys are acting like Erving making $3 million is the same as paying Fisher $14 million.

This is market value for a swing tackle, which really isn’t that much. Not really a big deal IMO.

It isn’t, but this is CP where overreactions are the norm.

[Sassy Squatch]

Erving was so bad starting last year that the offense averaged 28 points per game in the 4 games he started.

Fulton is not as valuable as Erving bc he can’t play tackle. We also just cleaned house at the OL positions 6-10. Ehinger and Witzmann are gone and Devey isn’t far behind.

I don’t see any problem paying such a small amount to a guy. You guys are acting like Erving making $3 million is the same as paying Fisher $14 million.

This is market value for a swing tackle, which really isn’t that much. Not really a big deal IMO.
You're again ignoring the fact that Fulton is talented enough to start.

[DaFace]

I think some of you need to pay more attention what typical OL contracts are worth these days. Even for a backup, this isn't out of line.

[RealSNR]

Honestly, were you guys expecting anything different from Veach?

Dorsey was a scouting director for a full decade plus some in Green Bay. Veach had the job here for only a few years. It wasn't long before that when he even first got into scouting. He was very inexperienced.

That being said, inexperience doesn't necessarily mean incompetence when it comes to matters of finding talent. And that wasn't exactly something that Dorsey ever lacked.

But what exactly did Veach have in his resume that would indicate he would be better than Dorsey at cap management?

Like... this is just freaking ridiculous. I don't care how incentive-laden it is. For the production that Erving gave us (he lost his starting job for fuck's sake) he wasn't worth a Bryan Witzmann contract. Or a Jeff Linkenbach contract.

And here he is making Mitchell Schwartz money?!

[-King-]

You're again ignoring the fact that Fulton is talented enough to start.

And you're ignoring that this isn't a starter contract.
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[-King-]

Honestly, were you guys expecting anything different from Veach?

Dorsey was a scouting director for a full decade plus some in Green Bay. Veach had the job here for only a few years. It wasn't long before that when he even first got into scouting. He was very inexperienced.

That being said, inexperience doesn't necessarily mean incompetence when it comes to matters of finding talent. And that wasn't exactly something that Dorsey ever lacked.

But what exactly did Veach have in his resume that would indicate he would be better than Dorsey at cap management?

Like... this is just freaking ridiculous. I don't care how incentive-laden it is. For the production that Erving gave us (he lost his starting job for fuck's sake) he wasn't worth a Bryan Witzmann contract. Or a Jeff Linkenbach contract.

And here he is making Mitchell Schwartz money?!

What? How the hell is his contract anyway similar to Schwartz.
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[RealSNR]

How did this negotiation go down? Did Veach beg him to stay on past this year or something? Clearly these negotiations were done where Veach was put in a position to beg him for a deal.

I'm very worried. Hell, even Pioli could occasionally make a great deal with a player. DJ's and Jamaal's first extensions were terrific.

I'm afraid Veach is a flaming dumbass who might be even worse than Dorsey when it comes to cap matters. And if his scouting/drafts suck too, then we're REALLY screwed.

[O.city]

2 years 6 million dollars for a swing Ol.

Am I missing something?

[Titty Meat]

Veach is a joke

[LoneWolf]

Honestly, were you guys expecting anything different from Veach?

Dorsey was a scouting director for a full decade plus some in Green Bay. Veach had the job here for only a few years. It wasn't long before that when he even first got into scouting. He was very inexperienced.

That being said, inexperience doesn't necessarily mean incompetence when it comes to matters of finding talent. And that wasn't exactly something that Dorsey ever lacked.

But what exactly did Veach have in his resume that would indicate he would be better than Dorsey at cap management?

Like... this is just freaking ridiculous. I don't care how incentive-laden it is. For the production that Erving gave us (he lost his starting job for fuck's sake) he wasn't worth a Bryan Witzmann contract. Or a Jeff Linkenbach contract.

And here he is making Mitchell Schwartz money?!

3.3 million a year is Mitchell Schwartz money?! Erving has value in that he is capable of playing all 5 positions on the line. Now he isn't playing all 5 positions at an above average level, but finding a player who is serviceable at all 5 positions is very valuable. 3.3 million a year is a standard backup contract for a veteran with that much versatility.

Did I miss the memo that today was Red Panties Tuesday on CP? Bunch of fucking crybabies on here today.

[Titty Meat]

I think some of you need to pay more attention what typical OL contracts are worth these days. Even for a backup, this isn't out of line.

It absolutely is because Erving has no business in the NFL. Hes Jordan Black terrible.

[RealSNR]

2 years 6 million dollars for a swing Ol.

Am I missing something?

I saw 2 years $15.6 million, which includes the incentives. And his "incentives" could just be we sustain an injury to a starting OL and he comes in and plays a bunch. Boom. Incentives met. Erving gets paid.

[RunKC]

It isn’t, but this is CP where overreactions are the norm.

It’s pretty hilarious that CP is freaking out over this. Sam Mellinger reported that the Chiefs are paying him $10 million over 3 years. If true, his average is $3.3 million per year.

That would make him the 47th highest paid tackle in the league.

[O.city]

I saw 2 years $15.6 million, which includes the incentives. And his "incentives" could just be we sustain an injury to a starting OL and he comes in and plays a bunch. Boom. Incentives met. Erving gets paid.

I mean, don't you think those incentives would be pretty tough to hit, even with an injury?

[RealSNR]

What? How the hell is his contract anyway similar to Schwartz.
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Again, "if he meets the incentives" means he's playing snaps.

Only reason he's playing snaps is if we get an injury to another guy.

This isn't like we're paying somebody to meet performance benchmarks, which ends up being a good thing for the team.

[RealSNR]

I mean, don't you think those incentives would be pretty tough to hit, even with an injury?

What the hell are the performance incentives for an OL? Pancake blocks?

Even stuff like "sacks/pressures allowed" is an advanced metric. The Chiefs won't use that to determine Erving's value.

[Sassy Squatch]

And you're ignoring that this isn't a starter contract.
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And you're ignoring the fact that Runkc implied that Erving is more valuable than Fulton.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

The guy gives us a solid backup for ANY position on the line. Get over it you dumbasses. It was a smart move .

Except for the money part.

[LoneWolf]

Mitchell Schwartz got a 5 year 33 million dollar contract with 20 million guarantees. Cam Erving is going to make 10 million over the next three years.

These deals are exactly the same. Dumbass. :rolleyes:

[O.city]

What the hell are the performance incentives for an OL? Pancake blocks?

Even stuff like "sacks/pressures allowed" is an advanced metric. The Chiefs won't use that to determine Erving's value.

I would think the snap counts or starts or whatever, would be pretty tough to hit.

[Pitt Gorilla]

LMAO @ anyone who is surprised. Did you idiots not witness the Peters trade? Do you, somehow, not recall him signing Amerson?

[RunKC]

And you're ignoring the fact that Runkc implied that Erving is more valuable than Fulton.

At half the cost as Fulton? You bet your fucking ass he’s more valuable at that price plus he can play tackle.

I can only imagine the meltdown CP would have if we gave Fulton that contract. LMAO

[O.city]

Can we move on from the Peters thing already? Reid is the biggest players coach in the NFL. If he was ready to move on from Peters, well, that's pretty damning.

[FAX]

If that’s true, I’m gonna shoot my dick clean off.

Please do not take photographs.

FAX

[Pitt Gorilla]

Can we move on from the Peters thing already? Reid is the biggest players coach in the NFL. If he was ready to move on from Peters, well, that's pretty damning.The pro-bowl talent CB on a rookie deal at a position of incredible need? Sure, lets just completely ignore that incredibly relevant piece of inconvenient data.

[O.city]

The pro-bowl talent CB on a rookie deal at a position of incredible need? Sure, lets just completely ignore that incredibly relevant piece of inconvenient data.

All that and they still traded him.

So either they're extremely incompetent or there was a reason they were ok with it.

[BryanBusby]

they're extremely incompetent

yeah

[Pitt Gorilla]

All that and they still traded him.

So either they're extremely incompetent or there was a reason they were ok with it.Are you taking about the guy who gave Amerson a 1yr $2.25 million contract?

[RealSNR]

Mitchell Schwartz got a 5 year 33 million dollar contract with 20 million guarantees. Cam Erving is going to make 10 million over the next three years.

These deals are exactly the same. Dumbass. :rolleyes:

So Terez Paylor's tweet about a $15 million 2-year contract extension if he meets all his incentives is.... what? False?

[FAX]

I shall not overreact to this news.

However, Veach cred power units just went down 1.45 points. (Making the total Veach cred power units to date: -.45 power units.)

FAX

[O.city]

Are you taking about the guy who gave Amerson a 1yr $2.25 million contract?

A 1 year deal for less than 3 mil? Really?

[O.city]

yeah

Ok, cool. Saves me a lot of time.

[Simply Red]

we need a predict Brett Veach's tenure thread.

[Sassy Squatch]

Veach doesn't deserve the lions share of the blame for the Peters debacle. He does, however, deserve immense criticism for doing the NFL equivalent of dumpster diving to replace him.

[BryanBusby]

Ok, cool. Saves me a lot of time.

Np

[O.city]

Veach doesn't deserve the lions share of the blame for the Peters debacle. He does, however, deserve immense criticism for doing the NFL equivalent of dumpster diving to replace him.

He replaced him with Fuller.

I'm assuming you mean the other side, which I agree with, but I don't agree with spending the money there. I'd have preferred them drafting someone early rather than Speaks goofy ass.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Truth is, I don't mind Erving at all. I think he has a place as as backup on this team. I'm just not sure what he's done to earn the extension.

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s what I take away from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> OL moves this week.<br><br>1. They are creating leverage for next season to reduce the overall cost &amp; not overpay for anyone UFA or draft.<br><br>2. They will do everything possible to protect their franchise QB in starting OL &amp; depth, so he thrives.</p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1037084612814663686?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Strongside]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s what I take away from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> OL moves this week.<br><br>1. They are creating leverage for next season to reduce the overall cost &amp; not overpay for anyone UFA or draft.<br><br>2. They will do everything possible to protect their franchise QB in starting OL &amp; depth, so he thrives.</p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1037084612814663686?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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"They will do everything necessary to protect their franchise quarterback, including sign Cam Erving to an extension."

[Buckweath]

I honestly don't care about this move. But if the secondary is terrible and very likely it will, I will be furious at Veach.

I feel like this team could be great this year but that secondary just spells disaster.

[Skyy God]

The only way this makes sense is if Erving is the fall guy in CHunt’s fraud lawsuit.

[saphojunkie]

2 years 6 million dollars for a swing Ol.

Am I missing something?

It’s an extension so it’s 3 years

[FAX]

"They will do everything necessary to protect their franchise quarterback, including sign Cam Erving to an extension."

And Veach's New Price Chopper Wizard Wand will make ghosts fly out of Speaks' butt thereby adding .000032 kilometers per hour of additional speed to his get-off.

FAX

[O.city]

It’s an extension so it’s 3 years

So, 3 years 6 mil?

[Titty Meat]

I wish Erving would start protesting the anthem

[srvy]

Panic Planet jeez.

[jjchieffan]

They must see something in him that makes them believe that he's improving. I don't see it, but otherwise, why do this?

[rabblerouser]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs will pay Cam Erving $10 million over the next three seasons, with incentives based on snaps that would push it higher. There’s value in versatility — Chiefs think he can play guard, center and tackle.</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/1037054400546701313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Key word here = "think"

[The Franchise]

So, 3 years 6 mil?

Basically 3 years $7.5 million.

[LoneWolf]

So Terez Paylor's tweet about a $15 million 2-year contract extension if he meets all his incentives is.... what? False?

I don't give a shit about the incentives and neither should you. Just look at what the contract is worth if Erving is a backup the entire contract which is what he is currently. If he ends up playing enough to reach the incentives, then he will deserve more money since he will basically be a starting offensive lineman.

[sedated]

If the extension was offered based on the assumption that Erving was never going to play, they could have given that to anyone else and paid less.

[Kiimo]

They must see something in him that makes them believe that he's improving. I don't see it, but otherwise, why do this?

Of course he's improving, look at this completed pass

https://i.imgur.com/4NqdB7D.gif

[RINGLEADER]

If history is any indication, now that he has his version of the big money contract, Ron Parker will cause him to suffer a season-ending injury so everyone upset by this should breath a sigh of relief...

[TwistedChief]

What are these incentives? He plays x snaps? He’s all pro?

I imagined they structured it that if he reaches these incentives and gets max payout, he’s been a fully serviceable offensive lineman. And then, fine, this is all okay. Think we gotta look at the base expectation.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Not a fan... shitty player is shitty.

[Marcellus]

Are you taking about the guy who gave Amerson a 1yr $2.25 million contract?

Amerson cost the team $500,000.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Amerson cost the team $500,000.Correct. It cost them $500,000 to cut him prior to playing a single down of football. I was talking about his full contract.

[HemiEd]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OT/OG Cam Erving has agreed to a two-year extension with the Chiefs worth up to $15.7M, depending on how much he plays, per source. Deal also includes $6.45M in guarantees and makes him one of the highest-paid swing linemen in the league.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1037052457636032513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good god

It's called motivation. It seems to be a common denominator that these fat fucking big guys lack it.

Good for Veach, this just may make this fat fucker realize his potential.

[Chiefnj2]

Erving was so bad starting last year that the offense averaged 28 points per game in the 4 games he started.



By that logic I guess KC should have kept Smith. Scoring all those points means he was good.

[staylor26]

By that logic I guess KC should have kept Smith. Scoring all those points means he was good.

As a backup for backup money?

Sure. Who wouldn’t have taken Smith at that price.

[Marcellus]

Correct. It cost them $500,000 to cut him prior to playing a single down of football. I was talking about his full contract.

Well you were wrong because he didn't get $2.25 Million because they were smart on how they structured it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

So Veach is either a stooge or clown.

[Sassy Squatch]

So Veach is either a stooge or clown.
Or both.

[HemiEd]

Or both.

Or Genious (CP spelling)

[HemiEd]

The guy played OT basically all of college then played C for his senior year and vaulted his draft stock from 3rd-4th round to 1st. Problem is he is still a finesse dude that looks like a OT. He doesn't have a big thick body to line up in the interior and deal with massive DT's at this level.

In college he basically looked like this athletic maven because he could pull and get out in front because centers don't move that way..no one seemed to notice that he's light in the ass and really tall to be playing that position consistently.
So you are saying he is not a big fat fucker?

[Mecca]

So you are saying he is not a big fat fucker?

He's 6'6 310 which is much more of a tackle size than an interior line size.

[RealSNR]

I don't give a shit about the incentives and neither should you. Just look at what the contract is worth if Erving is a backup the entire contract which is what he is currently. If he ends up playing enough to reach the incentives, then he will deserve more money since he will basically be a starting offensive lineman.


Great, so then we’ll be paying more money to a guy who will get our shiny new QB killed.

“Cam, you were harmless on the bench, but because you played so much that Pat is now a brain in a jar, take an extra couple million dollars. You’ve definitely earned it!”

Can’t fucking wait

[BryanBusby]

I don't give a shit about the incentives and neither should you. Just look at what the contract is worth if Erving is a backup the entire contract which is what he is currently. If he ends up playing enough to reach the incentives, then he will deserve more money since he will basically be a starting offensive lineman.
He's a single injury away from making more than the Right Tackle. With how this line has been for awhile, the probability is high he unlocks incentives. If he was serviceable than whatever, but he's a turnstile.

It's baffling.

[notorious]

Holy mother fucking shit.

[rico]

How did this guy elevate his draft status to being projected and taken in the first round to begin with? Big Jr./Sr year in college? Big combine? I remember a ton of us fearing that we were going to take him, I believe the year we got Peters... doesn’t seem like we were that far off.

Honest question, what is it with this guy? Because I don’t see it, although Mecca has my wheels turning.

[rabblerouser]

I don't give a shit about the incentives and neither should you. Just look at what the contract is worth if Erving is a backup the entire contract which is what he is currently. If he ends up playing enough to reach the incentives, then he will deserve more money since he will basically be a starting offensive lineman.

Coorect. If he meets the incentives and gets paid more, it means he will have earned more playing time, e.g. he earns more money.

More contracts should be structured that way, with an emphasis on incentives and less guaranteed $$.

[Hoover]

People forget that we paid Jah Read like 5 million bucks for two years of work....

3 mil per is not that crazy

[rico]

People forget that we paid Jah Read like 5 million bucks for two years of work....

3 mil per is not that crazy

LMAO Good point...

[staylor26]

People forget that we paid Jah Read like 5 million bucks for two years of work....

3 mil per is not that crazy

I was just going to post this. What makes this contract so much worse than Reid’s?

At least we aren’t paying guys like Donald Stephenson and Menelik Watson starter money.

[rabblerouser]

Can we move on from the Peters thing already? Reid is the biggest players coach in the NFL. If he was ready to move on from Peters, well, that's pretty damning.

Fuck Peters with a stolen Peter.
#TeamErving4Lyfe?

[-King-]

He's a single injury away from making more than the Right Tackle. With how this line has been for awhile, the probability is high he unlocks incentives. If he was serviceable than whatever, but he's a turnstile.

It's baffling.

You have no idea what the incentives are. For all you know they could be probowl/all-pro based. Hell they could even be based on team achievements and he doesn't get them unless we go to the Superbowl. It's stupid to be mad at incentives until we see them.
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[staylor26]

You have no idea what the incentives are. For all you know they could be probowl/all-nba based. Hell they could even be based on team achievements and he doesn't get them unless we go to the Superbowl. It's stupid to be mad at incentives until we see them.
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Hopefully it’s this. Even if he got much better we’d be fine.

[-King-]

Hopefully it’s this. Even if he got much better we’d be fine.

ROFL Was talking about the nba and real life and got the two conversations mixed up
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[Sassy Squatch]

Hopefully it’s this. Even if he got much better we’d be fine.
https://media.tenor.com/images/e8a865b9b63e961a2ae76536add7c7ea/tenor.gif

[MotherfuckerJones]

I was shocked to see this but the first player I thought of was Jah Reid. I’m sure they can get out of this rather easily (haven’t looked at the details). Not a fan of Erving at all. I expect OL to be a target in FA and the draft.

[OKchiefs]

I was shocked to see this but the first player I thought of was Jah Reid. I’m sure they can get out of this rather easily (haven’t looked at the details). Not a fan of Erving at all. I expect OL to be a target in FA and the draft.

OL, cornerback, safety, DL...

No shortage of needs

[Pablo]

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[KChiefs1]

I was shocked to see this but the first player I thought of was Jah Reid. I’m sure they can get out of this rather easily (haven’t looked at the details). Not a fan of Erving at all. I expect OL to be a target in FA and the draft.



Jah Reid & Cam Erving are similar players.

[HemiEd]

All that and they still traded him.

So either they're extremely incompetent or there was a reason they were ok with it.

Yep, it is pretty obvious that Reid knew he would never work out in KC.

[Dunerdr]

DoRsEy sUcKs aT cOnTrAcTs

[Chiefshrink]

This is a joke right? Like, Veach isn't this ****ing retarded?

Like I've said for many months. This is all Reid. Veach is very well respected around the league and no way can he not see that Erving is a complete "turnstile".:shrug: And IF this IS Veach's call( which I highly doubt) his "football eyes" SUCK at evaluating o-linemen. Just look at the o-linemen we have brought in since Reid's tenure. Average at best. And supposedly AR is an o-lineman guru evaluator. Well this hasn't happened here at all with him and why I think this is a Reid move.

[Chiefshrink]

I think it's pretty obvious Andy is calling most the shots here.

Always has especially since JD left.

[Demonpenz]

Chiefs are interested in Mike Matheny

[Eleazar]

So Veach is either a stooge or clown.

Veach is the stooge and Reid is the clown

[O.city]

Always has especially since JD left.

It was the same with Dorsey.

[tmax63]

Lets see if I got this right. They gave a young guy, on his second team, who knows how to play all the OL positions in this offense a 3yr 6mil deal with incentives to go up to 15mil if all are reached. I like incentive -based. Gives them a reason to continue to improve. People work harder when it can improve their paycheck. I'm not ready to say that CI has plateaued out and will never improve anymore. The tools are there. The smarts are there if he learned all the OL spots. If he continues to improve it could be a bargain for what you get, if he doesn't then a couple mil a year doesn't amount to a fart in a tornado moneywise.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Like I've said for many months. This is all Reid. Veach is very well respected around the league and no way can he not see that Erving is a complete "turnstile".:shrug: And IF this IS Veach's call( which I highly doubt) his "football eyes" SUCK at evaluating o-linemen. Just look at the o-linemen we have brought in since Reid's tenure. Average at best. And supposedly AR is an o-lineman guru evaluator. Well this hasn't happened here at all with him and why I think this is a Reid move.The contracts are Veach. You can make all the excuses you want, but it's the truth.

[kccrow]

Lets see if I got this right. They gave a young guy, on his second team, who knows how to play all the OL positions in this offense a 3yr 6mil deal with incentives to go up to 15mil if all are reached. I like incentive -based. Gives them a reason to continue to improve. People work harder when it can improve their paycheck. I'm not ready to say that CI has plateaued out and will never improve anymore. The tools are there. The smarts are there if he learned all the OL spots. If he continues to improve it could be a bargain for what you get, if he doesn't then a couple mil a year doesn't amount to a fart in a tornado moneywise.

No. They gave him a 2 year extension worth 10 million, which can reach 15.7 million with incentives. We don't know the structure of the guarantees of the 6.5 million, but IF it were all a signing bonus that is spread out over the 3 total years of his deal (this year + the 2 extension years), then it makes his deal, in total, about 3 years 12 million at just under 4 million per (about 3.93) that can escalate based on incentives.

My thought is that it is probably closer to half that as a signing bonus with a guaranteed salary next season. This would put his salary at 2.7, 4.5, and 4.5 with the all of this year and next year guaranteed (he already has 1.7 m guaranteed this season + 1 million of signing) and all of next year guaranteed (3.5 m salary + 1 million signing). It could be a guaranteed salary next year if he's on the roster at a certain date in the offseason, but who knows. I'm guessing the remaining 5.7 m in escalators is split among all 3 years of his total contract at 1.9 per.

It's all conjecture at this point, but this deal is not 3 years 6 million. If it were, I don't think half as many people would be bitching about it. It's still not a monster deal unless he performs well, but it's well beyond anything that he remotely deserves. He deserves to be cut. He sucks. He's a fucking atrocious player. He doesn't deserve what he received. There's no projection anyone could conjure up to convince me he'd deserve this, unlike when LDT was re-signed. At least LDT flashed brilliance at times. All Erving flashes is hot dog shit.

[-King-]

No. They gave him a 2 year extension worth 10 million, which can reach 15.7 million with incentives. We don't know the structure of the guarantees of the 6.5 million, but IF it were all a signing bonus that is spread out over the 3 total years of his deal (this year + the 2 extension years), then it makes his deal, in total, about 3 years 12 million at just under 4 million per (about 3.93) that can escalate based on incentives.

My thought is that it is probably closer to half that as a signing bonus with a guaranteed salary next season. This would put his salary at 2.7, 4.5, and 4.5 with the all of this year and next year guaranteed (he already has 1.7 m guaranteed this season + 1 million of signing) and all of next year guaranteed (3.5 m salary + 1 million signing). It could be a guaranteed salary next year if he's on the roster at a certain date in the offseason, but who knows. I'm guessing the remaining 5.7 m in escalators is split among all 3 years of his total contract at 1.9 per.

It's all conjecture at this point, but this deal is not 3 years 6 million. If it were, I don't think half as many people would be bitching about it. It's still not a monster deal unless he performs well, but it's well beyond anything that he remotely deserves. He deserves to be cut. He sucks. He's a fucking atrocious player. He doesn't deserve what he received. There's no projection anyone could conjure up to convince me he'd deserve this, unlike when LDT was re-signed. At least LDT flashed brilliance at times. All Erving flashes is hot dog shit.

He wasn't bad this preseason (other than game 1 when no lineman showed up) and wasn't bad in the games he played last year.

When has he been "atrocious" for us?
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[RunKC]

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People are really upset about this? Really? It’s even backloaded to when the cap will grow by $20 million more too. This is not a lot of money at all and won’t affect our cap.

CP overreaction in full bleeding vagina mode

[Hoover]

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People are really upset about this? Really? It’s even backloaded to when the cap will grow by $20 million more too. This is not a lot of money at all and won’t affect our cap.

CP overreaction in full bleeding vagina mode
Quick - someone get the same contract to Schwartz since he will needs to get paid at least what Erving does!

[staylor26]

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People are really upset about this? Really? It’s even backloaded to when the cap will grow by $20 million more too. This is not a lot of money at all and won’t affect our cap.

CP overreaction in full bleeding vagina mode

Per usual

[PmCakes]

A lot of money for an O-line that can't block worth a damn

[Hoover]

A lot of money for an O-line that can't block worth a damn
You're clueless.

Chiefs spend about 19% of their total cap space on the oline, which is middle of the pack in the NFL.

[The Franchise]

A lot of money for an O-line that can't block worth a damn

Positional Spending by offensive line:

12th in 2018.
14th in 2019.
6th in 2020.

[Mecca]

Here is the OL money you can make arguments about, Fisher makes a lot of money I think he's something like 8th for highest paid OT, sadly though that is what it is. Unless you wanted to use 1st round picks on OTs twice in 5 years.

Schwartz deal is really good no real conversation there, he's probably underpaid. LDT However you can argue that paying a guard that amount of money isn't wise when plenty of teams believe you can find guards later in drafts. Of course maybe this one doesn't since they've had a gaped asshole for LG for basically all of Reid's tenure.

[Hoover]

I don't really have a problem with Fisher and LTD's contracts. They are what they are, Fisher is a little disapppointing as far as the draft capital we invested but his contract doesn't really bother me. I think the Chiefs deserve a lot of credit for the success they have had taking late round guys and turning them into legit NFL starters. LTD was a nice find, and while you may not like what we have to pay him now, you also have to account for the fact that besides his contract we only invested a 5th rounder in that guy. That success story allowed us to use higher pick on other positions. Now we are doing it with McKenzie and Boettger. If we hit on one of those its a huge success and only helps to rebuild that much quicker.

In addition to what a dude's cap number is, its just as important to under stand how all these contracts are slotted. If you look at the Chiefs OL contracts, its clear as day that we are nearing the day when we are going to have to invest in the oline with a high draft pick. I would rather spend one of ou two 2nd round picks on a olinemen next year than putting it off and be forced to use a first rounder in 2020.

The Chiefs Oline isn't sexy, but for what we are paying in contract and what we have invested in draft picks, its actually pretty damn good in regards to that level of investment. With a franchise QB now in house, it only makes sense to spend draft capital (like 2,3,4 round picks) on the oline than trying to address it in free agency. Fisher, Schwartz and LTD are the core, hopefully Mackinze or Boettger are diamonds in the rough, but I think we are going to need to draft a legit center next year. Frankly I would have loved to have gotten James Daniels in the 2nd round this year. We would have been set.

Year Player Amount
2018 Fisher 13,950,000
2018 Schwartz 7,700,000
2018 LTD 5,360,000
2018 Morse 1,486,890
2018 Devey 720,000
2018 Reiter 630,000
2018 Boettger 480,000
2018 Wylie 480,000
2018 McKenzie 517,736

Year Player Amount
2019 Fisher 13,150,000
2019 Schwartz 8,000,000
2019 LDT 8,253,000
2019 Boettger 570,000
2019 Wylie 570,000
2019 McKenzie 617,736


Year Player Amount
2020 Fisher 12,050,000
2020 Schwartz 8,000,000
2020 LTD 9,000,000
2020 Boettger 660,000
2020 McKenzie 707,236


Year Player Amount
2021 Fisher 11,500,000
2021 LTD 9,250,000
2021 McKenzie 797,736

Year Player Amount
2022 LTD 8,500,000

[Quesadilla Joe]

People are really upset about this? Really? It’s even backloaded to when the cap will grow by $20 million more too. This is not a lot of money at all and won’t affect our cap.



It will if they keep starting him and let him hit his playing time incentives.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cam Erving will start for the Chiefs at left guard on Sunday against the Chargers and not Andrew Wylie, who is listed as the starter on the depth chart. Wylie said he would be the back up at both tackle positions instead.</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/1038134075188551681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This ends with a nice play from Mahomes on 3rd and 2 but LOOK AT ERVING DECIDE HE&#39;S HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP. <a href="https://t.co/gVqDKrJQ2p">pic.twitter.com/gVqDKrJQ2p</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1041870353092501504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[kccrow]

One play doesn't make him good. Chiefs really struggled running in the A gaps the entire game. Best running plays were actually in the C gap to Schwartz's side. I will say, he's been better this year overall though, but that better has mostly been in pass pro. I'm surprised so far that he hasn't been the turnstile he's been for years. We'll see how it goes though.

[BleedingRed]

One play doesn't make him good. Chiefs really struggled running in the A gaps the entire game. Best running plays were actually in the C gap to Schwartz's side. I will say, he's been better this year overall though, but that better has mostly been in pass pro. I'm surprised so far that he hasn't been the turnstile he's been for years. We'll see how it goes though.

Uh I don't know running at Casey isn't a good idea. I don't know why we are not running pitch plays and out side zones with the way our WR core clears out DBs

[Coach]

One play doesn't make him good. Chiefs really struggled running in the A gaps the entire game. Best running plays were actually in the C gap to Schwartz's side. I will say, he's been better this year overall though, but that better has mostly been in pass pro. I'm surprised so far that he hasn't been the turnstile he's been for years. We'll see how it goes though.

Steeler's Run D at the A/B Gaps are strong. They're weak on the C and D's. KC kept trying to run on the A/B Gaps, which they were not successful, until late in the 4th quarter when the Steeler's D was already gassed.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

Uh I don't know running at Casey isn't a good idea. I don't know why we are not running pitch plays and out side zones with the way our WR core clears out DBs

I'm expecting a lot more swing passes to Hunt coming up. The defenses have been keying on him so far and with how much Mahomes is pushing the ball I can see the coverage drifting more backwards and creating the open guy to be Hunt in the open field, which is a good thing.

I think his lack of success thus far has been more about defenses looking to neutralize him, and a big part of Mahomes success is the fact he's recognizing this and adjusting his formation to take advantage of matchups created by this.

[Coach]

I'm expecting a lot more swing passes to Hunt coming up. The defenses have been keying on him so far and with how much Mahomes is pushing the ball I can see the coverage drifting more backwards and creating the open guy to be Hunt in the open field, which is a good thing.

I think his lack of success thus far has been more about defenses looking to neutralize him, and a big part of Mahomes success is the fact he's recognizing this and adjusting his formation to take advantage of matchups created by this.

And I would anticipate at some point, defenses are going to have to realize that they can't stack the box anymore due to the dynamic QB. Eventually, they're going to have to respect the passing game and back off.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

And I would anticipate at some point, defenses are going to have to realize that they can't stack the box anymore due to the dynamic QB. Eventually, they're going to have to respect the passing game and back off.

Once that happens, I want to audible into a single back formation from empty (essentially the opposite of what we've been doing) and take advantage of their smaller lineups whenever teams are forced to play in a Quarter defense to defend against our 5-wide set.


The only team that I think can go heads up with us is Jax. Minnesota and Phillys front 7 are good but their secondaries can be exposed by our guys imo and LAR doesn't have the LBs or safeties to handle Kelce and Hunt.

Mexico City should be a fun one.

[Coach]

Once that happens, I want to audible into a single back formation from empty (essentially the opposite of what we've been doing) and take advantage of their smaller lineups whenever teams are forced to play in a Quarter defense to defend against our 5-wide set.


The only team that I think can go heads up with us is Jax. Minnesota and Phillys front 7 are good but their secondaries can be exposed by our guys imo and LAR doesn't have the LBs or safeties to handle Kelce and Hunt.

Mexico City should be a fun one.

What I was pleasantly surprised was the shifting was being done against the Steelers game. I could be wrong here, but I couldn't recall seeing that for quite some time on a consistent basis in a game. Kind of felt like the Coryell offense there for a few moments.