Eric Berry is DOUBTFUL for week 1

[carcosa]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid says Eric Berry is &quot;doubtful&quot; to make the trip to the Chargers.</p>&mdash; Brooke Pryor (@bepryor) <a href="https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1038126503442227213?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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We are DOMED

[Strongside]

Of course he is.

This team and their "Day to day" bullshit.

[MMXcalibur]

Yeah, we're fucked.

[Rain Man]

Dammit.

[Stinger]

OK.... Did anyone really not see this one coming?

[chiefforlife]

Maybe we could move his salary over to the coaches side, not applying it to the cap any longer. Free up some cash to go get Eric Reid? Before the Falcons snag him...

[Marcellus]

OK.... Did anyone really not see this one coming?

Not sure how. Personally I would rather he not play this week if he hasn't practiced. Maybe next week as well.

I would rather he be healthy the second half of the season than the first.

[FloridaMan88]

Shocking.

[ModSocks]

Not sure how. Personally I would rather he not play this week if he hasn't practiced. Maybe next week as well.

I would rather he be healthy the second half of the season than the first.

Yup.

I know Berry's health is the hot button topic this week, but it's not like the guy is on IR. He will play. Complete over reaction because there's really nothing else Chiefs related to talk about right now.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Need Parker, Murray, and Watts to step up

[Grim]

Surprised he's not listed as "OUT"

[The Franchise]

Need Parker, Murray, and Watts to step up

Might as well find out how fucked we really are.

[Sassy Squatch]

Yup.

I know Berry's health is the hot button topic this week, but it's not like the guy is on IR. He will play. Complete over reaction because there's really nothing else Chiefs related to talk about right now.
Yeah. Just like Justin Houston when he was day to day.

[RunKC]

I wouldn’t play Berry in Pittsburgh. It’s likely a loss.

Hopefully he starts practicing next week and comes back for the home opener.

[FloridaMan88]

Eric Berry should stop using Kawhi Leonard’s muscle/tendon rehabilitation techniques.

[Easy 6]

I had no reason to expect anything else

The Ron Parker move is looking better and better, he'll at least know how how to co-ordinate things with the young guys

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Week 3

[ModSocks]

Yeah. Just like Justin Houston when he was day to day.

Pretty significant difference between those situations.

About the only thing they had in common is that the Chiefs weren't clear on the recovery.

But Houston wasn't practicing at camp. He wasn't running around, jogging with the team.

[Titty Meat]

Howcome they didnt place him on PUP?

[Red Dawg]

What a shocker.

[Simply Red]

Happy Birthday Carcosa!

[gblowfish]

Damn. He may be done.

[hometeam]

I wouldn’t play Berry in Pittsburgh. It’s likely a loss.

Hopefully he starts practicing next week and comes back for the home opener.

Im wearing my Berry jersey to the home opener so he better get it in gear

[Rain Man]

Surprised he's not listed as "OUT"

He's d-out-ful.

[Strongside]

At least Bosa's out.

[stevieray]

Damn. He may be done.

..if he ever plays everyone will be holding their breath.

[ROYC75]

I had no reason to expect anything else

The Ron Parker move is looking better and better, he'll at least know how how to co-ordinate things with the young guys

Parker was a dead give away on EB's condition and Sorestam out.

[notorious]

Time to move past the Berry era. Maybe we can get a player with 85% his ability with a 99% participation rate.

[Easy 6]

Parker was a dead give away on EB's condition and Sorestam out.

Agreed

Sounds weird to say, but I'm glad Parker is back... because this EB situation is shaping up to be a long, drawn out soap opera

[Grim]

He's d-out-ful.

boooooooo!

[Ming the Merciless]

OK.... Did anyone really not see this one coming?


red dawg didnt

[FAX]

Some people don't want to count EB out. Some people do.

It seems pretty straightforward to me, either he plays or we need to work out an injury settlement. A day-to-day sort of injury settlement, maybe.

This is worse than being married to Elizabeth Bathory but fearful of the alimony.

FAX

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I’m not ready to say that Berry is done because we’ve saw him beat far worse.

Let’s talk in a few weeks though...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Yeah. Just like Justin Houston when he was day to day.

What?? :rolleyes:

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Some of You guys probably think your girlfriends are cheating when you don't hear back every five minutes. That bad of over dramatic on this board...

[BigRedChief]

Doubtful? Lol

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Week 3 folks

[Pitt Gorilla]

Broke.

Nice contract, though, Dorsey.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

We beat the Chargers twice last year without Berry.

[Reerun_KC]

Time to move past the Berry era. Maybe we can get a player with 85% his ability with a 99% participation rate.

But I have his jersey!!!!! He’s a chief player.

[Reerun_KC]

Im wearing my Berry jersey to the home opener so he better get it in gear

See notorious. Even if he can’t contribute we have jerseys!!

[notorious]

But I have his jersey!!!!! He’s a chief player.

I didn’t say 850% of Berry’s drinking ability......

[Easy 6]

I’m not ready to say that Berry is done because we’ve saw him beat far worse.

Let’s talk in a few weeks though...

We surely have seen him beat worse, my worry is... how many more times can he buck the odds?

Injury, cancer, injury, lingering malady... the list is getting long

[Reerun_KC]

I didn’t say 850% of Berry’s drinking ability......

Have to listen to the game from here on Sunday.

[58-4ever]

F&*K

[TEX]

SHOCKER!!!

[FAX]

Hold on here, nah ....

"Doubtful" doesn't mean "Out" ... he could be doubtful day-to-day, for all we know.

FAX

[FloridaMan88]

I’m not ready to say that Berry is done because we’ve saw him beat far worse.

Let’s talk in a few weeks though...

Eric Berry turns 30 in December.

He's coming off the second major leg-related injury of his career.

Berry obviously has come back from worse in his career, but Father Time is undefeated.

[Deberg_1990]

Who are the top safeties coming out in the 2019 draft?

[Deberg_1990]

Rivers line on Sunday:

436 yards passing, 3 TDs, 2 turnovers

[UChieffyBugger]

Don't mind him missing a couple of games If it means he'll be fit and strong down the stretch. Joey Bosa being out for a month with a foot injury should let all of us know that these little foot niggles can be very frustrating to deal with.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

If only Berry was out I’d be feeling very discouraged ahead of Sunday but with Bosa gone too... I think it’s a wash. :shrug:

[srvy]

Is Berry making the trip or isnt he. Listening to KK on 810 he was rambling on about how Andy said at first EB wouldnt make the trip then the Chiefs later came back to say he is doubtful and will make the trip. What the hell is this just KK over reaction as he further said Andy didnt seem to happy he didnt practice. I have seen no one else reporting this so probably KK bullshit.

[BossChief]

This is going to be one of the highest scoring games (combined score) of the last 20 years if the front 7 doesn’t get to Rivers.

[Easy 6]

If only Berry was out I’d be feeling very discouraged ahead of Sunday but with Bosa gone too... I think it’s a wash. :shrug:

It evens things out, no doubt

They're both linchpins, huge losses for both teams

[GloryDayz]

Damn. He may be done.

But not his payday(s)...

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[GloryDayz]

Have to listen to the game from here on Sunday.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[notorious]

Chiefs should do what Denver does. Have him retire so we can clear the cap up, yet pay him what just so happens to be the remaining balance of his contract for being a consultant.

That’s what “championship” organizations do.

[UChieffyBugger]

If only Berry was out I’d be feeling very discouraged ahead of Sunday but with Bosa gone too... I think it’s a wash. :shrug:

Last season we played them twice without Berry and they had Bosa, so I don't really see this as a wash tbh.

The last game we played against them the secondary was

....Revis...Parker...Sorenson...Peters...

The good defensive display we had against Oakland at home the secondary was this...

..Nelson/Revis...Parker...Sorenson...Mitchell


A lot of people are going mad over our current secondary but I'd much rather have the options we have now than what we had last year tbh.

[GloryDayz]

Chiefs should do what Denver does. Have him retire so we can clear the cap up, yet pay him what just so happens to be the remaining balance of his contract for being a consultant.

That’s what “championship” organizations do.

CHunt's not that brand of owner.

[rabblerouser]

Hold on here, nah ....

"Doubtful" doesn't mean "Out" ... he could be doubtful day-to-day, for all we know.

FAX
THE FAX KNOWS BETTER.

rab

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid says Eric Berry is &quot;doubtful&quot; to make the trip to the Chargers.</p>&mdash; Brooke Pryor (@bepryor) <a href="https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1038126503442227213?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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We are DOMED

We have been hit with a dome?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

This is going to be one of the highest scoring games (combined score) of the last 20 years if the front 7 doesn’t get to Rivers.

Don't you tire of making these ridiculous predictions?

6000 yards ROFL

[rabblerouser]

We have been hit with a dome?

Or just hit in the dome with something extremely hard and viciously?

[GloryDayz]

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME...




Or you don't play and get paid like you played very well.

[ping2000]

We still have Bob Sutton to coach em up.

Yeah, we're fucked.

[GloryDayz]

We still have Bob Sutton to coach em up.

Yeah, we're fucked.

It could be worse.

[BlackOp]

I'm confused...Why wouldn't Berry fly with his team for a season opener? He's being paid $800k this week...

[rabblerouser]

It could be worse.

Remember Greg Fucking Robinson??

Yeeeeeech. THAT GUY was NOT a good DCo.

[GloryDayz]

Remember Greg Fucking Robinson??

Yeeeeeech. THAT GUY was NOT a good DCo.

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[ping2000]

Remember Greg Fucking Robinson??

Yeeeeeech. THAT GUY was NOT a good DCo.We've had a nice collection of shit defensive coordinators.

[FAX]

Have to listen to the game from here on Sunday.

Have you struck up a relationship with a Cabana Girl, Mr. Reerun_KC?

Where, pray tell, is this mysterious place from which you will listen?

FAX

[Reerun_KC]

Have you struck up a relationship with a Cabana Girl, Mr. Reerun_KC?

Where, pray tell, is this mysterious place from which you will listen?

FAX

Curaçao. And wife says no cabana ladies.

[Chiefshrink]

Eric will miss half the season.:shrug:

[notorious]

Eric will miss half the season.:shrug:

Hell, I would be estatic with that.

[FAX]

Curaçao. And wife says no cabana ladies.

The Antilles? I'm jealous.

The ocean has been calling me for weeks, man. Bad.

Definitely jealous.

FAX

[GloryDayz]

What ever happened to the days when the most expensive players played the most?

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[Bump]

I don't really have high expectations this year. The o-line will be rough and the defense will be rougher. I just want to see Mahomes do well and I'd consider that a good year.

[GloryDayz]

I don't really have high expectations this year. The o-line will be rough and the defense will be rougher. I just want to see Mahomes do well and I'd consider that a good year.Perhaps not always for the same reason(s), but that's not uncommon for this franchise. Sadly.

And yes, this D looks like they're going to give up a lot of yards and a lot of yards. I hope I'm wrong, but we have Sutton, that's not a good sign.

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[OldSchool]

Who was really counting on either him or Houston. Really?

[GloryDayz]

Who was really counting on either him or Houston. Really?For their hit on the cap.... We all should.

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[Demonpenz]

They are giving him some time to decide if he wants to come back and maybe injure himself for life or just walk away while he can still walk.

[Titty Meat]

Ill say this about Berry aside from beating cancer nobody works harder.

During that 16 season where he single handily won us a few games I would be at my gym on weekdays 430-5am working out. He would come with a family friend who walked on at Mo State the next year and they would do drills together. Every.Single.day.

This guy not only is a hard ass worker but he was the best safety in the league in 16. Criticize Dorsey all you want but Berry deserved that contract. Hell in the 3 quarters he played in 17 he shutdown Gronk.

I knew something was up when this past April I saw Conley doing drills at the gym. Id still see Berry he wasnt doing anything except meeting with a therapist. Im not doctor maybe one tear was worse than the other but the only logical conclusion is one went through chemo. Either way there were 31 other teams who would have paid Berry if the Chiefs hadnt.

[BlackOp]

They are giving him some time to decide if he wants to come back and maybe injure himself for life or just walk away while he can still walk.

Berry, literally, never has to play another snap of football for the remainder of his life...He's guaranteed $30 million over the next two years. He can have a sore heel from now until infinity...He can sit down in the middle of the field and do nothing. It doesn't matter...he's already paid...and CHunt got played.

To show how bad CHunt was at making this contract...if they were to cut Berry...his dead cap hit is $29 million this year...and $15 million next year.

If this is going to be an ongoing health struggle for the remainder of his guaranteed contract...where the lingering effects of his treatment no longer allows him to play an extremely rugged sport. Chunt needs to pay him off in an injury settlement, clear a roster spot and free up capital for his replacement. He'll have a massive amount of egg on his face....but needs to make a decision. Eb does this team no good if he cant play anymore...

EB wont retire...why would he? Chunt is contractually on the hook for 2 more years...

[Danguardace]

No need to rush him back if he is not ready. I would rather him be ready when it counts most.

[KChiefs1]

Anyone that's expecting him to play is nuts.

[PAChiefsGuy]

I don't really have high expectations this year. The o-line will be rough and the defense will be rougher. I just want to see Mahomes do well and I'd consider that a good year.

Exactly. I'd also like to see Berry get back to form but there is no need to rush him which is why I can't understand all the Berry hate in this thread. Bunch of crybabies...

[LoneWolf]

I don't really have high expectations this year. The o-line will be rough and the defense will be rougher. I just want to see Mahomes do well and I'd consider that a good year.

Was the o-line rough last year? They are returning 4 of 5 starters from last season and the 5th starter that isn’t returning was the weakest link of the line.

[jspchief]

The replies in this thread are comical.

1. He's injured. All the sky is falling "he's done" stuff is overreaction. I dont see how this can be interpreted as his career being over. A lot of the greatest safeties in league history were still playing at a high level past 30.

2. This is a throw away season most likely. I'd rather get Berry right even at the cost of losing a few games.

3. Why is safety such a high draft priority even if Berry is done? This team has a lot of needs, and it's not like there's going to be another Eric Berry where they are picking. More ridiculous hand waving.

4. Now we're gonna cry about his contract? The same people would have gone postal if the Chiefs didn't re-sign him. But now the team got played? Absurd. And who gives a fuck anyway? It's not your money and it's nowhere near the worst contract on the team. And the Chiefs have been abysmal at bringing in outside free agents anyway.



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[Marcellus]

Jesus people the type of injury Berry has is likely from him overworking it in the off season and probably due to compensating for the other foot healing, there isn't a hell of a lot you can do because you dont know here is an issue until it gets sore.

Its absolutely and tendon injury akin to plantar faciitis and the only way to get better is treatment and rest because if you dont let it heal it could turn into another Achilles rupture. You can run steady state and work out on an injury like this but explosive start and stops is where you blow shit up and its what he will need to do in a game. So its not like he cant work out.

Dude just needs to get treatment and heal the damn thing. They dont want to risk it early in the season and I dont blame them.

[Red Dawg]

I don't really have high expectations this year. The o-line will be rough and the defense will be rougher. I just want to see Mahomes do well and I'd consider that a good year.

Spot on. Its a transition year. 19 and 20 Veach should sell out and go for it. Fix the secondary, pay Hill and get it done.

[ROYC75]

Jesus people the type of injury Berry has is likely from him overworking it in the off season and probably due to compensating for the other foot healing, there isn't a hell of a lot you can do because you dont know here is an issue until it gets sore.

Its absolutely and tendon injury akin to plantar faciitis and the only way to get better is treatment and rest because if you dont let it heal it could turn into another Achilles rupture. You can run steady state and work out on an injury like this but explosive start and stops is where you blow shit up and its what he will need to do in a game. So its not like he cant work out.

Dude just needs to get treatment and heal the damn thing. They dont want to risk it early in the season and I dont blame them.

Naw, the idiots here demand that he play ( at all cost ) for pay since his pay is so large.

I mean, everyone here bitching would either do it or give all of their money back, just ask them.

[ROYC75]

Spot on. Its a transition year. 19 and 20 Veach should sell out and go for it. Fix the secondary, pay Hill and get it done.

Sure thing, say after PM has an All Pro year in 18, we can sell him off for 4 #1's plus 30 million in cash. But why pay Hill, after his All Pro year in 18, we can get 3 1's and another 20 million in cash.


We just went for it, got younger, got 7 # 1's and some cash so Clark won't go bankrupt, maybe even enough to withstand releasing EB since we have plenty of newer rookies. Now we are ready for a 2022 SB run!

[Buckweath]

This is not a transition year. Next year the Chiefs will lose probably Nelson, Bailey, Ford, Morse, etc. Houston, Berri, Scheartz and Kelce will all be a year older and might be declining (even more).
Sure, the team will likely be a bit better mainly because of Mahomes having gained experience but really, this is not a transition year.

The only thing that bugs me about this team is the CB position.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Naw, the idiots here demand that he play ( at all cost ) for pay since his pay is so large.

I mean, everyone here bitching would either do it or give all of their money back, just ask them.

Agree. People need to ease off EB. He’s not Albert Haynesworth and lazy. He’s been through hell with his body. I’ll never discount Berry. He’s Superman

[MotherfuckerJones]

This is not a transition year. Next year the Chiefs will lose probably Nelson, Bailey, Ford, Morse, etc. Houston, Berri, Scheartz and Kelce will all be a year older and might be declining (even more).
Sure, the team will likely be a bit better mainly because of Mahomes having gained experience but really, this is not a transition year.

The only thing that bugs me about this team is the CB position.

This is a transition year. They can still win but the team looks at it that way.

[Coogs]

I don't really have high expectations this year. The o-line will be rough and the defense will be rougher. I just want to see Mahomes do well and I'd consider that a good year.

The O-line should be better. Same one, except for LG. Defense in preseason. Meh. It's preseason. 10 of the 11 starters should actually be on the field at the same time come Sunday.

My expectations have really never been higher at the start of a season for a long damn time.

Mahomes fever! Catch it!

[Halfcan]

The O-line should be better. Same one, except for LG. Defense in preseason. Meh. It's preseason. 10 of the 11 starters should actually be on the field at the same time come Sunday.

My expectations have really never been higher at the start of a season for a long damn time.

Mahomes fever! Catch it!

:clap:

Yep, tired of people crying about the defense. OFFENSE is the best defense. When you are racking up points and putting teams behind, it begins to limit their playbook.

Look at the Cheating Donks a few years back. The offense was scoring points at a record pace putting stress on the other team to keep up. Dbag Vonn and company could blitz nearly every down.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

:clap:

Yep, tired of people crying about the defense. OFFENSE is the best defense. When you are racking up points and putting teams behind, it begins to limit their playbook.

Look at the Cheating Donks a few years back. The offense was scoring points at a record pace putting stress on the other team to keep up. Dbag Vonn and company could blitz nearly every down.

I don’t know that it will always work out this way but I do seem to recall Veach saying some stuff back in the offseason about how they wanted to shut down the run, build some big leads, and then let the pass rushers pin their ears back and go after the QB.

It’s probably the Chiefs recipe for success given their current personnel. Much like Atlanta from a couple years back. Build a lead, then be aggressive.

[Chief Roundup]

:clap:

Yep, tired of people crying about the defense. OFFENSE is the best defense. When you are racking up points and putting teams behind, it begins to limit their playbook.

Look at the Cheating Donks a few years back. The offense was scoring points at a record pace putting stress on the other team to keep up. Dbag Vonn and company could blitz nearly every down.

Yeah we don't know what the defense is actually going to be just yet. It sure does appear that the pass defense is going to be our worst phase. So if we are hanging points and it limits a team to their passing offense then that would be playing right against our weakest area on the defense.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

We’ll be fine on the back end, especially with leads, IF we can rush the passer...

And honestly, the talent is there to have a good pass rush. Especially if they’re getting to just pin their ears back.

Houston, Jones, Ford, Tanoh, Speaks on the inside sometimes, Bailey... that’s actually pretty darn decent if not good. They just have to put it all together and stay healthy.

[Halfcan]

I don’t know that it will always work out this way but I do seem to recall Veach saying some stuff back in the offseason about how they wanted to shut down the run, build some big leads, and then let the pass rushers pin their ears back and go after the QB.

It’s probably the Chiefs recipe for success given their current personnel. Much like Atlanta from a couple years back. Build a lead, then be aggressive.

Bottom line is, you are not going to win a Championship if you can't stop the run.

I am not sure what else Veech could have done to help the run defense?

Trade our prima donna CB that refused to tackle- Check
Upgrade the NT position - Check
Cut slow footed Zombo - Check
Let Hali and DJ retire - Check
Sign a stud sure tackling LB - Check
Draft all sure tackling, hard hitting, high motor guys known for run support - Check

Pretty obvious this was the top priority in the offseason, but lots of post acting like he just sat on his ass and we are trotting out the same bungling, slow defense from last year.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I fully expect to have a much better run defense and I think Nnadi might end up being our best NT since Poe was in his prime... I think Williams can play at a high level there too and you can rotate those guys.

I still think a Jones-Nnadi-Williams front in base would be VERY difficult to run on. The LBs would run free.

[Coogs]

Bottom line is, you are not going to win a Championship if you can't stop the run.

I am not sure what else Veech could have done to help the run defense?

Trade our prima donna CB that refused to tackle- Check
Upgrade the NT position - Check
Cut slow footed Zombo - Check
Let Hali and DJ retire - Check
Sign a stud sure tackling LB - Check
Draft all sure tackling, hard hitting, high motor guys known for run support - Check

Pretty obvious this was the top priority in the offseason, but lots of post acting like he just sat on his ass and we are trotting out the same bungling, slow defense from last year.

Exactly!

I am not even sure if the starting front 7 even took 1 snap together during preseason either. They should be pretty solid... both against the run and in the pass rush.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Time will tell but I’m actually looking for the front 7/defense in general to play with some real physicality... I think most of the guys have the right mindset to be real enforcers.

[tmax63]

Exactly!

I am not even sure if the starting front 7 even took 1 snap together during preseason either. They should be pretty solid... both against the run and in the pass rush.

What the f@#$ is the preseason for if they didn't play 1 snap together as a unit. Nothing like waiting until the games count to do the work that is supposed to be done in the preseason. I know, let's lose the first 2 or 3 while everyone gets used to playing together. I was a huge EB supporter and was glad he got paid but you got to face the fact that nobody, including the specialists and Chiefs medical staff, know what chemotherapy did to EB and his body's ability to heal up from football style injuries. It's looking to me like his body hasn't been able to stay healthy under the stress of a NFL football player.

[Halfcan]

Exactly!

I am not even sure if the starting front 7 even took 1 snap together during preseason either. They should be pretty solid... both against the run and in the pass rush.

If the Amerson signing would have panned out, Sorensen would not have gotten hurt, and EB was back 100% - I think people would be looking at the D in a much different light.

[tmax63]

Like I said in the other thread, if the queen had balls she'd be the king.

[Coogs]

What the f@#$ is the preseason for if they didn't play 1 snap together as a unit. Nothing like waiting until the games count to do the work that is supposed to be done in the preseason. I know, let's lose the first 2 or 3 while everyone gets used to playing together. I was a huge EB supporter and was glad he got paid but you got to face the fact that nobody, including the specialists and Chiefs medical staff, know what chemotherapy did to EB and his body's ability to heal up from football style injuries. It's looking to me like his body hasn't been able to stay healthy under the stress of a NFL football player.

1st two games Ragland and Hitchens didn't play. They played game 3.

Williams didn't play game 3. Houston only a few snaps.

Not sure if Bailey played much at all this pre-season.

Jones got limited snaps, if any in game 3.

Would it have been nice to have them all together at once? Maybe.

But I think it was better to let Ragland and Hitchens heal than throw them out there too early just to get snaps together as a unit.

[dlphg9]

What the f@#$ is the preseason for if they didn't play 1 snap together as a unit. Nothing like waiting until the games count to do the work that is supposed to be done in the preseason. I know, let's lose the first 2 or 3 while everyone gets used to playing together. I was a huge EB supporter and was glad he got paid but you got to face the fact that nobody, including the specialists and Chiefs medical staff, know what chemotherapy did to EB and his body's ability to heal up from football style injuries. It's looking to me like his body hasn't been able to stay healthy under the stress of a NFL football player.

Eh, who cares? Plenty of veterans take the preseason off and come into the season just fine. It's not like they weren't practicing together.

[tmax63]

Most of these guys aren't vets or at least aren't vets for the Chiefs. There's about 4 guys that played last year still on the defense. Not saying that's a bad thing but they needed to play together prior to game 1. IMHO that's too late.

[Halfcan]

Andy needs to stop deferring the ****ing kickoff! We need our offense out there first to drain the clock and get a lead.

You bring your D. out the second half after you have time to make adjustments. Fix the holes to stop whatever the other team's offense has been doing to be successful.

[FAX]

Andy needs to stop deferring the ****ing kickoff! We need our offense out there first to drain the clock and get a lead.

You bring your D. out the second half after you have time to make adjustments. Fix the holes to stop whatever the other team's offense has been doing to be successful.

Wally never used to defer. He only started doing this a couple of years ago (it seems). Actually, he was asked about why he never deferred (some presser awhile back) and he said, "I always want the ball.", (paraphrased.)

My guess is he saw some "analytics" that convinced him to go that route. But, who knows? Wally is a mystery wrapped in an enigma zipped up in a hummus wrap with extra cheese.

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[Hoover]

If we win and he doesn't play then everything is great. If we lose and the defense sucks...look out.

[FAX]

If we win and he doesn't play then everything is great. If we lose and the defense sucks...look out.

That crazy-ass, new safety we drafted is going to pick Rivers twice.

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[Halfcan]

Wally never used to defer. He only started doing this a couple of years ago (it seems). Actually, he was asked about why he never deferred (some presser awhile back) and he said, "I always want the ball.", (paraphrased.)

My guess is he saw some "analytics" that convinced him to go that route. But, who knows? Wally is a mystery wrapped in an enigma zipped up in a hummus wrap with extra cheese.

FAX

When we are at home (the years we had a strong defense) absolutely you put the D. out there to set the tone for the game.

But now, letting the opponent start off with an 8-minute drive before our high-octane offense is even warmed up, puts us in quite a hole. I don't like it.

Lead with your best punch.

[FAX]

When we are at home (the years we had a strong defense) absolutely you put the D. out there to set the tone for the game.

But now, letting the opponent start off with an 8-minute drive before our high-octane offense is even warmed up, puts us in quite a hole. I don't like it.

Lead with your best punch.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly, Mr. Halfcan.

I was just cogulating on Wally's change of heart (he really was one of the last guys to defer, I believe).

But, as you say ... if your offense is ready to rock, there's no good reason to delay lighting up the board. If, on the other hand, you're unsure how the enemy is going to attack (or defend), maybe it makes sense to defer.

I'm guessing there are some deep analytics to which Wally has been exposed and that research has altered his thinking on the subject.

FAX THE GUESSER GUY

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

That crazy-ass, new safety we drafted is going to pick Rivers twice.

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You talkin bout Armani Watts ??? I hope he gets in the game ,I agree, we put pressure on Rivers and he's throwin the ball to Armani.

[FAX]

Here's another thought, Mr. Halfcan ...

I wonder if Wally changed his thoughts about deferring because AS11 is/was a conservative QB. Traditionally, Wally believes in "attacking" a defense. AS11 isn't exactly an "attacker" type guy. So you defer, give AS11 a chance to figure out the defensive scheme de jour, then go after the enemy after the half. That might make sense.

But things are different, now. To wit: I wonder if Wally is more inclined to take the ball and push it with vigor and moxie from the get-go.

FAX THE STILL GUESSING

[FAX]

You talkin bout Armani Watts ??? I hope he gets in the game ,I agree, we put pressure on Rivers and he's throwin the ball to Armani.

Yes, that's the guy, Mr. Hog's Gone Fishin. Couldn't think of his moniker.

I foresee many picks in his future. Starting tomorrow (if he plays).

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[KChiefs1]

I fully expect to have a much better run defense and I think Nnadi might end up being our best NT since Poe was in his prime... I think Williams can play at a high level there too and you can rotate those guys.

I still think a Jones-Nnadi-Williams front in base would be VERY difficult to run on. The LBs would run free.


Fuller is an upgrade over Peters.

Peters had a way with jerking the ball out but that’s because he didn’t tackle. Fuller is a better cover corner.

DL & LB’s are better. If Nelson can be a decent 2nd CB & Berry gets on the field. This defense could actually be good not great but at least average(12-16) in the league.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Here's another thought, Mr. Halfcan ...

I wonder if Wally changed his thoughts about deferring because AS11 is/was a conservative QB. Traditionally, Wally believes in "attacking" a defense. AS11 isn't exactly an "attacker" type guy. So you defer, give AS11 a chance to figure out the defensive scheme de jour, then go after the enemy after the half. That might make sense.

But things are different, now. To wit: I wonder if Wally is more inclined to take the ball and push it with vigor and moxie from the get-go.

FAX THE STILL GUESSING

We keep hearing tidbits about a NEW offensive scheme and unleashing it . And then there's the part about Houston attacking the weakest link. sounds to me like we have a more aggressive philosophy now.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Fuller is an upgrade over Peters.

Peters had a way with jerking the ball out but that’s because he didn’t tackle. Fuller is a better cover corner.

DL & LB’s are better. If Nelson can be a decent 2nd CB & Berry gets on the field. This defense could actually be good not great but at least average(12-16) in the league.

We were #15 in scoring defense last year, thats suttons priority. We'll be better now.

[Halfcan]

Here's another thought, Mr. Halfcan ...

I wonder if Wally changed his thoughts about deferring because AS11 is/was a conservative QB. Traditionally, Wally believes in "attacking" a defense. AS11 isn't exactly an "attacker" type guy. So you defer, give AS11 a chance to figure out the defensive scheme de jour, then go after the enemy after the half. That might make sense.

But things are different, now. To wit: I wonder if Wally is more inclined to take the ball and push it with vigor and moxie from the get-go.

FAX THE STILL GUESSING

Yep, that is the thing...there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason to when he takes the ball or defers?? Preseason, Andy was content to keep PM2 on the sideline while our defense let them chomp on the clock like Pac Man.

Okay fans, you get to see Mahomes play....But only after this 8 minute, commercial filled drive by the other team!!!!

[pugsnotdrugs19]

FWIW—Berry made the trip to LA.

[Danguardace]

FWIW—Berry made the trip to LA.

It's a wrap

[FloridaMan88]

A lot of the greatest safeties in league history were still playing at a high level past 30.


How many of those "greatest safeties in league history" you speak of were playing at a high level past 30 after suffering two season ending leg/knee injuries during their career?

[FloridaMan88]

Yep, tired of people crying about the defense. OFFENSE is the best defense. When you are racking up points and putting teams behind, it begins to limit their playbook.

How did that "offense is the best defense" approach work out during the Vermeil era?

[FAX]

Yep, that is the thing...there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason to when he takes the ball or defers?? Preseason, Andy was content to keep PM2 on the sideline while our defense let them chomp on the clock like Pac Man.

Okay fans, you get to see Mahomes play....But only after this 8 minute, commercial filled drive by the other team!!!!

Okay ... here's another possible explanation (and one I like even better than my last 12) ...

What if Wally is trying to limit the amount of tape the enemy has on Mahomes to the absolute minimum possible?

That might explain his pre-season behavior.

FAX THE STILL GUESSING

[WhiteWhale]

How did that "offense is the best defense" approach work out during the Vermeil era?

Generally, even on a bad defense, you'd like at least 2 or 3 guys who could make the roster of another NFL team.

[MotherfuckerJones]

It’s a tarp! He’s playing/sarcasm

[PmCakes]

Is Andy pulling a Belichick?

[Eleazar]

FWIW—Berry made the trip to LA.

https://i.imgur.com/WBANhjq.jpg?1

[MVChiefFan]

https://i.imgur.com/WBANhjq.jpg?1

I mean, if this were Priest Holmes we were talking about... then maybe. It’s well documented that Berry has a phobia of horses and mexican appetizers.

[Baby Lee]

No need to rush him back if he is not ready. I would rather him be ready when it counts most.

You think he'll be playing in January 2021?

[dlphg9]

Fuller is an upgrade over Peters.

Peters had a way with jerking the ball out but that’s because he didn’t tackle. Fuller is a better cover corner.

DL & LB’s are better. If Nelson can be a decent 2nd CB & Berry gets on the field. This defense could actually be good not great but at least average(12-16) in the league.

Get out of here with that shit. Fuller isn't better than Peters. Fuller is good and maybe over time he will be as good as Peters, but he's not better or even on the same level atm.

[CupidStunt]

How did that "offense is the best defense" approach work out during the Vermeil era?

The league is a hell of a lot different now than 2000-2005. We aren't winning it all with this defense as bad as it is, but if Mahomes is the truth we should easily surpass anything Vermeil's teams accomplished (i.e. nothing; making the playoffs and losing).

The Eagles gave up OVER SIX HUNDRED YARDS in the Super Bowl and won. And the crazy part of that is that no even MENTIONS it; giving up insane numbers has become standard, you just have to fight fire with fire.

[Simply Red]

The league is a hell of a lot different now than 2000-2005. We aren't winning it all with this defense as bad as it is, but if Mahomes is the truth we should easily surpass anything Vermeil's teams accomplished (i.e. nothing; making the playoffs and losing).

The Eagles gave up OVER SIX HUNDRED YARDS in the Super Bowl and won. And the crazy part of that is that no even MENTIONS it; giving up insane numbers has become standard, you just have to fight fire with fire.

there was literally ZERO defense in last years SB

[Baby Lee]

The league is a hell of a lot different now than 2000-2005. We aren't winning it all with this defense as bad as it is, but if Mahomes is the truth we should easily surpass anything Vermeil's teams accomplished (i.e. nothing; making the playoffs and losing).

The Eagles gave up OVER SIX HUNDRED YARDS in the Super Bowl and won. And the crazy part of that is that no even MENTIONS it; giving up insane numbers has become standard, you just have to fight fire with fire.

How about in their previous playoff games?