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The Franchise
09-21-2018, 11:58 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-finally-found-franchise-quarterback-patrick-mahomes-165452074.html

A few days before the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl in January 2017, Chris Cabott and Brett Veach huddled in a quiet hallway outside of a Los Angeles hotel ballroom.

The discussion they’d have that day — about a quarterback prospect out of Texas Tech named Patrick Mahomes II — would shape the direction of the Kansas City Chiefs for years to come, though no one would have guessed that at the time.

Cabott, who co-represented Mahomes with Leigh Steinberg, was trying to convince NFL teams and draft pundits that Mahomes was more than a reckless gunslinger, someone who should be a first-round pick in the coming months. This was long before Mahomes became one of the hottest quarterbacks in the NFL entering Sunday, sporting a 143.3 rating with 10 touchdown passes, 582 passing yards and zero interceptions after two games.

Veach, the Chiefs’ co-director of player personnel, was a mere lieutenant for general manager John Dorsey. But he had long earned the trust of head coach Andy Reid, who was given the same power as Dorsey within the Chiefs’ organization, and held significant sway. And that mattered because Reid never forgot Veach’s strong — and endearingly overbearing, he’d tell you — recommendations to draft DeSean Jackson, Fletcher Cox and LeSean McCoy, way back when Reid was the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and Veach was a scout there.

So as Cox, Jackson and McCoy all blossomed into Pro Bowlers in Philly, Reid came to value Veach’s opinion more and more. And Veach, who was eager for his next score after following Reid to Kansas City in 2013, was convinced he’d found his next gem in Mahomes. He grew infatuated with the strong-armed Texan over the previous 12 months, when the Chiefs were tasked with finding a gifted young quarterback to develop behind incumbent starter, Alex Smith.

So when Veach bumped into Cabott that day, he had an agenda. He wanted to start a running dialogue about Mahomes with Cabott, another ambitious, fast-talking East Coaster in his late 30s. The two bonded easily over big dreams and a love of football, which was a prime reason Veach wasn’t too worried about showing his cards, even though another agent might have used his interest in Mahomes as a means to drum up more curiosity from other teams.

“Oh yeah, you’ve got Mahomes,” Veach said, prompting Cabott to answer in the affirmative. “We’re really serious about Patrick.”

Veach did not know that the latter sentence was music to Cabott’s ears. Everyone loved Mahomes’ gun, gusto and improvisational ability, but prognosticators still had him pegged as a second- to third-round pick, largely due to his raw footwork and the fact that an air raid quarterback had never made it big in the NFL.

But now, finally, someone else believed.

Cabott grinned.

“Good — and I’m serious about him, too,” Cabott said. “I think he’s special, a once-in-a-decade type talent.”

“Agreed,” Veach said.

Rallying the troops around Mahomes
At that very moment, the two reveled in their shared understanding, and began talking candidly about the rifle-armed kid they both believed would be a star, and how he’d be a perfect fit for the Chiefs.

So if you want to know the Mahomes origins story involving the Chiefs, this is as good a place to start as any. Over the next three months after that meeting in L.A., Cabott says that without fail, he’d hear from Veach, who always wanted to know the latest on his guy.

“For like 94 straight days, we literally communicated in some way, shape or form,” Cabott told Yahoo Sports. “We established a rapport where Brett was like, ‘anything about Patrick, I want to know.’”

Cabott respected Veach’s aggression and persistence. He wanted to know how Mahomes did in workouts. He wanted to know how his injured wrist was healing. He wanted to know the details of Mahomes’ passing script for his pro day workout at Texas Tech.

“Some of these calls with Brett were at midnight, 1 a.m. in the morning,” Cabott recalled with a chuckle. “It was clear to me that Patrick was the guy in Brett’s eyes, the guy that he wanted them to take. But it would be more than his call.”

Indeed. But Veach was on that, too, as he was the first one to introduce Mahomes to Reid, the quarterback guru with a tremendous amount of organizational sway.

For months, Veach hounded Reid, telling him: check out Mahomes, check out Mahomes, check out Mahomes.

Reid did, and grew to love him, too, for all the reasons Veach did.

Dorsey held his cards much closer to the vest than Veach did, but Cabott could tell he was into Mahomes, too, given the way Dorsey acted at the Senior Bowl – another college all-star game that the NFL descends upon for scouting purposes — which was held a few weeks after his meeting with Veach at the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl.

“Hey, I want to talk to you about our guys,” Cabott remembers saying when they bumped into each other.

“OK, who do you got?” Dorsey asked, somewhat mischievously. “Oh, I know who you got.”

Turns out Dorsey — who Cabott remembers winking and walking away — was as easy for Veach to sell on Mahomes as Reid was. Prior to joining the Chiefs, Dorsey put in 20-plus years with the Green Bay Packers as a scout and front-office executive. The bulk of his time there was spent with Hall of Famer Brett Favre, and Dorsey grew to revere Favre’s combination of toughness, arm strength and ability to make impossible throws. Privately, he began telling folks that Mahomes had a little Favre in him.

With the two men at the top of the Chiefs’ organizational football chain on board with Mahomes — and area scout Willie Davis’ background work on Mahomes coming out clean — the decision was made to place Mahomes atop their quarterback board for the 2017 NFL draft. That put him above Clemson’s Deshaun Watson and North Carolina’s Mitchell Trubisky, both of whom were viewed internally as having late first-round value.

That means the Chiefs, who tagged Mahomes as a top-10 selection, would not have given up the same capital to move up for either player that they would eventually use to snag Mahomes, a notion backed up by the fact that Veach skipped Watson’s and Trubisky’s pro days, but didn’t miss Mahomes’.

“Brett said in a recent interview that if the Chiefs had the first overall pick, they would have taken Patrick – and I believe him,” Cabott said. “Brett was pretty sincere and genuine in his interest the whole time.”

NFL draft night: The QB sneak
To get Mahomes, Dorsey, the man in charge of actually working the phones, had to get creative. The Chiefs were selecting at No. 27, and thanks to the league-wide connections of Reid, Dorsey and Veach, they knew a handful of other teams were just as interested in Mahomes as they were. The New Orleans Saints, picking at No. 11, brought Mahomes in for a pre-draft visit. The Cleveland Browns (at No. 12) and the Arizona Cardinals (at No. 13) worked him out. The Houston Texans were picking 25th and sniffed around about a trade-up for him.

Cabott and Steinberg were careful to never reveal the Chiefs’ intense interest in Mahomes, lest they screw up the chance for their player to land in what they deemed an ideal situation, with a quarterback guru in Reid, stable ownership in the Hunt family and a plethora of offensive skill players.

“They seemed pretty laser-focused on Patrick,” Steinberg said. “We were more than happy to encourage their interest, and we kept their confidence and never said a word publicly about it because had we said anything, it would have put them in a compromised position to make a trade. If other teams knew they really, really wanted Patrick, they would make a trade difficult.”

So Cabott and Steinberg kept their secret, and by the time the first night of the draft rolled around, the Chiefs had already signaled to both of them that they intended to move up and select Mahomes. Veach did it in an amusing way, by texting Cabott an image of a Texas Tech Red Raiders logo along with the words “good luck.”

And when pick No. 9 rolled around, and Veach sent Cabott the same image again, Cabott grew excited.

“Does this mean what I think it does,” Cabott wrote back.

“Yup,” Veach replied.

“When,” Cabott asked.

“Now,” Veach wrote.

And sure enough, the Chiefs traded two first-round picks and a third-rounder to Buffalo for the right to move up from No. 27 to No. 10 and snag Mahomes. Kansas City, a town that had not seen its Chiefs select a first-round quarterback since 1983, rejoiced.

So did Reid and Dorsey, for that matter. While Reid finally had a premium young quarterback to develop, Dorsey — who was about two months away from being replaced by Veach as the Chiefs’ general manager after four seasons — had outmaneuvered at least four teams (New Orleans, Cleveland, Houston and Arizona) that he believed would take Mahomes. And he hadn’t panicked by moving up further, as others might have done after the Chicago Bears shocked everyone by trading up a spot to snag Trubisky at No. 2.

But no one was happier about the move than Veach and Cabott, the two men whose initial conversation in January — as two of the only true believers on the initial Mahomes bandwagon — spurred hours and hours of talk and texts about how good of a fit he’d be in Kansas City.

“I about jumped out of my skin and started yelling — we got it done! We got it done!” Cabott said with a laugh, when asked to recall draft day.

The next thing Cabott remembers doing on draft night reveals how clear the Chiefs were about their interest in Mahomes as their No. 1 guy. After Cabott and Steinberg got word of the trade, someone at Mahomes’ draft-day party fetched a Chiefs hat from behind a nearby banner and slipped it to Mahomes so he could put it on quickly for the cameras that were stationed to watch the ensuing celebration.

Shortly after the NFL Network broadcast went live, Mahomes was shown grinning widely, with a bright red Chiefs hat on his head. Cabott was caught smiling next to Steinberg, only a few feet away, while Veach beamed on his own in the Chiefs’ war room alongside Dorsey and Reid.

For months, this was what they all had wanted. And now, finally, it was a reality.

“Let’s say this,” Cabott concluded with a laugh, “we only had a few hats behind that banner.”

notorious
09-21-2018, 12:10 PM
My heart was racing while I read that. Good stuff!

MahiMike
09-21-2018, 12:17 PM
Tears streaming down my cheek...

Meatloaf
09-21-2018, 12:17 PM
Thanks for the post, Pest!

pugsnotdrugs19
09-21-2018, 12:18 PM
They all loved Pat, but I think Andy was probably the straw that broke the camel’s back when it came to them making the move. If he wasn’t completely on board, it wouldn’t have happened.

Luke Atamadong
09-21-2018, 12:19 PM
My heart was racing while I read that. Good stuff!

That gave me goosebumps!

Jewish Rabbi
09-21-2018, 12:22 PM
Man I wonder how big Patrick’s dick is.

wazu
09-21-2018, 12:28 PM
This is awesome! And a reminder of how there are so many ways this could've been sunk. And man, I forgot that Chicago actually traded up to get Trublindsky. Those poor bastards.

pugsnotdrugs19
09-21-2018, 12:30 PM
It’s funny, I saw some Bears twitter guy last night trying to console their fan base with some bullshit about how the Chiefs wanted Trubisky more and just couldn’t get up to draft him high enough...

Lol. They didn’t want him at all.

Sassy Squatch
09-21-2018, 12:38 PM
It’s funny, I saw some Bears twitter guy last night trying to console their fan base with some bullshit about how the Chiefs wanted Trubisky more and just couldn’t get up to draft him high enough...

Lol. They didn’t want him at all.
Saw that too. LMAO Clown.

pugsnotdrugs19
09-21-2018, 12:39 PM
Saw that too. LMAO Clown.

They’re all in a little bit of denial, trying to look for any silver lining. Reality is right in front of their face. They fucked it up.

At least they got Mack, though. Albeit at the cost of two 1st rounders.

Luke Atamadong
09-21-2018, 12:41 PM
And he hasn't even got to play at ARROWHEAD yet!! I can't wait for Sunday.

Luke Atamadong
09-21-2018, 12:42 PM
It’s funny, I saw some Bears twitter guy last night trying to console their fan base with some bullshit about how the Chiefs wanted Trubisky more and just couldn’t get up to draft him high enough...

Lol. They didn’t want him at all.

It's funny how clear hindsight is...

Sassy Squatch
09-21-2018, 12:45 PM
They’re all in a little bit of denial, trying to look for any silver lining. Reality is right in front of their face. They fucked it up.

At least they got Mack, though. Albeit at the cost of two 1st rounders.
That kind of sucks in its own way though, because now they're really stuck with Trubisky with no draft capital to move up for a QB, unless something happens like the Seahawks getting rid of Russell Wilson.

Mecca
09-21-2018, 12:52 PM
They are stuck with Trubisky they took him 2, he gets 5 years period.

RunKC
09-21-2018, 12:55 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember, the Bears drafted the set of quarterback tools they think has the highest ceiling. FWIW I&#39;ve been told the Chiefs &amp; Texans would&#39;ve drafted Trubisky over Mahomes &amp; Watson. That improvisation throw to Cohen is a glimpse of the potential. Patience is tough but necessary.</p>&mdash; Danny Parkins (@DannyParkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/DannyParkins/status/1041860017316614150?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

Mecca
09-21-2018, 12:56 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember, the Bears drafted the set of quarterback tools they think has the highest ceiling. FWIW I&#39;ve been told the Chiefs &amp; Texans would&#39;ve drafted Trubisky over Mahomes &amp; Watson. That improvisation throw to Cohen is a glimpse of the potential. Patience is tough but necessary.</p>&mdash; Danny Parkins (@DannyParkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/DannyParkins/status/1041860017316614150?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

That dude use to work here, he's on the radio there for 5 hours a day, he has every reason to pump that narrative.

DRM08
09-21-2018, 12:59 PM
Paylor drops the nuke that Veach skipped Trubisky’s pro day. This little nugget comes a few days after some d-bag Bears propaganda guy claimed the Chiefs wanted Trubisky. lol

Rain Man
09-21-2018, 01:00 PM
This will go down in Chiefs lore alongside hiding Otis Taylor in a hotel room.

Kiimo
09-21-2018, 01:04 PM
Paylor drops the nuke that Veach skipped Trubisky’s pro day. This little nugget comes a few days after some d-bag Bears propaganda guy claimed the Chiefs wanted Trubisky. lol

Reading that I thought well this should put to rest that nonsense about the Chiefs wanting Trubisky.

Trubisky's ceiling is Alex Smith.

DJ's left nut
09-21-2018, 01:07 PM
Remember in the Mahomes thread when I said that I'm a fan of Steinberg?

Yeah - I knew there was a reason. What a standup move by the guy to put his client's well-being ahead of his raw draft stock. He could've leaked the Chiefs interest to get teams looking to trade up to 5-6 and get him. That soups up his signing bonus and puts more money immediately in Steinberg's pocket.

Instead he recognized just how perfect the situation in KC was for his guy and kept that information under his hat. Really not something I'd expect out of an agent and pretty damn commendable.

wazu
09-21-2018, 01:10 PM
Remember in the Mahomes thread when I said that I'm a fan of Steinberg?

Yeah - I knew there was a reason. What a standup move by the guy to put his client's well-being ahead of his raw draft stock. He could've leaked the Chiefs interest to get teams looking to trade up to 5-6 and get him. That soups up his signing bonus and puts more money immediately in Steinberg's pocket.

Instead he recognized just how perfect the situation in KC was for his guy and kept that information under his hat. Really not something I'd expect out of an agent and pretty damn commendable.

And now not only will the career success of Mahomes most likely pay higher dividends, but if you're a team doing business with Steinberg - how much higher is the trust level and credibility today?

DRM08
09-21-2018, 01:11 PM
Remember in the Mahomes thread when I said that I'm a fan of Steinberg?

Yeah - I knew there was a reason. What a standup move by the guy to put his client's well-being ahead of his raw draft stock. He could've leaked the Chiefs interest to get teams looking to trade up to 5-6 and get him. That soups up his signing bonus and puts more money immediately in Steinberg's pocket.

Instead he recognized just how perfect the situation in KC was for his guy and kept that information under his hat. Really not something I'd expect out of an agent and pretty damn commendable.

That’s true but he could have gotten the Saints to move up. I think Payton believed Pat would still be there at 11. Saints situation is pretty great for a young QB.

BigRedChief
09-21-2018, 01:17 PM
Welll we all assumed he got the GM job because he was first in Mahomes and pushed hard for him.

Rain Man
09-21-2018, 01:19 PM
Remember in the Mahomes thread when I said that I'm a fan of Steinberg?

Yeah - I knew there was a reason. What a standup move by the guy to put his client's well-being ahead of his raw draft stock. He could've leaked the Chiefs interest to get teams looking to trade up to 5-6 and get him. That soups up his signing bonus and puts more money immediately in Steinberg's pocket.

Instead he recognized just how perfect the situation in KC was for his guy and kept that information under his hat. Really not something I'd expect out of an agent and pretty damn commendable.

And now not only will the career success of Mahomes most likely pay higher dividends, but if you're a team doing business with Steinberg - how much higher is the trust level and credibility today?

It makes me a bit curious, though, about how other teams react to that. I could see them saying, "Man, I thought we had a great relationship with Steinberg, but he didn't give us the opportunity to trade up for our player."

Granted, they may view it as a positive that he'll protect their information as well, but I could see some teams thinking that he wasn't looking out for them as much as he was KC.

Of course, what do I care? We got Mahomes.

BigRedChief
09-21-2018, 01:19 PM
And now not only will the career success of Mahomes most likely pay higher dividends, but if you're a team doing business with Steinberg - how much higher is the trust level and credibility today?what agent and QB wouldn’t want to be developed by Reid? He’s got a pretty successful track record of doing just that.

Kiimo
09-21-2018, 01:30 PM
Can we just say thank God the rookie salaries got capped?

That's what makes this all possible.

ChiefsCountry
09-21-2018, 01:30 PM
That’s true but he could have gotten the Saints to move up. I think Payton believed Pat would still be there at 11. Saints situation is pretty great for a young QB.

Saints don't have the ownership group or stability that the Chiefs have.

DJ's left nut
09-21-2018, 01:37 PM
It makes me a bit curious, though, about how other teams react to that. I could see them saying, "Man, I thought we had a great relationship with Steinberg, but he didn't give us the opportunity to trade up for our player."

Granted, they may view it as a positive that he'll protect their information as well, but I could see some teams thinking that he wasn't looking out for them as much as he was KC.

Of course, what do I care? We got Mahomes.

But he also didn't do anything to give KC an advantage.

He simply kept everything in house and let the cards fall as they may. I would hope that would curry a fair amount of favor throughout the league. I gotta believe most GMs don't want to see potential players representations trying to manipulate outcomes. It may help them this time, but it'll burn 'em the next.

Hammock Parties
09-21-2018, 01:49 PM
Steinberg is cool as fuck.

Rain Man
09-21-2018, 02:01 PM
But he also didn't do anything to give KC an advantage.

He simply kept everything in house and let the cards fall as they may. I would hope that would curry a fair amount of favor throughout the league. I gotta believe most GMs don't want to see potential players representations trying to manipulate outcomes. It may help them this time, but it'll burn 'em the next.

Yeah, in the big scheme of things you'd hope that they would keep everyone's information sealed. That would be the best way to do it. But I suspect that not every agent does that, and not every team will want to play by those ethical rules (cough Broncos cough).

But I agree, this is the way it should work.

DJ's left nut
09-21-2018, 02:10 PM
Yeah, in the big scheme of things you'd hope that they would keep everyone's information sealed. That would be the best way to do it. But I suspect that not every agent does that, and not every team will want to play by those ethical rules (cough Broncos cough).

But I agree, this is the way it should work.

Oh of that there is no doubt; I wouldn't say most agents do it that way. That's what makes Steinberg's approach particularly refreshing.

Prison Bitch
09-21-2018, 02:13 PM
Remember in the Mahomes thread when I said that I'm a fan of Steinberg?

Yeah - I knew there was a reason. What a standup move by the guy to put his client's well-being ahead of his raw draft stock. He could've leaked the Chiefs interest to get teams looking to trade up to 5-6 and get him. That soups up his signing bonus and puts more money immediately in Steinberg's pocket.

Instead he recognized just how perfect the situation in KC was for his guy and kept that information under his hat. Really not something I'd expect out of an agent and pretty damn commendable.

A. That story is obv bullshit. No way you believ it.

B. If it was true it's malpractice and Leigh would be sued. You can't possibly **know** what situation is best for a player. What if gojng to Chicago was better for Mahomes? What if playing in a huge market with a great defense ended up being better than in KC?

DRM08
09-21-2018, 02:15 PM
A. That story is obv bullshit. No way you believ it.

B. If it was true it's malpractice and Leigh would be sued. You can't possibly **know** what situation is best for a player. What if gojng to Chicago was better for Mahomes? What if playing in a huge market with a great defense ended up being better than in KC?

That’s a valid question now that Chicago has Nagy. But at the time of the draft they had good old John Fox lol

Prison Bitch
09-21-2018, 02:19 PM
That's just it: things change wayyyy too rapidly in the "Not For Long" league to believe such a story.


Also, not a single player gives a shit about "owenership stability". What a laughable load of nonsense that one is.

DJ's left nut
09-21-2018, 02:29 PM
A. That story is obv bullshit. No way you believ it.

B. If it was true it's malpractice and Leigh would be sued. You can't possibly **know** what situation is best for a player. What if gojng to Chicago was better for Mahomes? What if playing in a huge market with a great defense ended up being better than in KC?

What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

Unless he withheld information from Mahomes and did so actively to his detriment, it is most assuredly not any sort of malpractice.

If it's false and the Saints are sitting at 11 - a team that CLEARLY wanted Mahomes and could've given up a hell of a lot less to move up 1 or 2 spots and stay ahead of KC - they would have. They didn't because they obviously didn't know the Chiefs were hard up to move up in front of them.

Are you saying that the entire damn thing, from the conversations with Veach/Corbett to Dorsey's brief interactions with them are made up entirely of whole cloth?

Because if even those conversations are true, then the outcomes themselves show very obviously that the league was not aware of the nature of the Chiefs interest.

RedRaider56
09-21-2018, 02:33 PM
Great article. Thanks to the OP for sharing it

Mecca
09-21-2018, 02:36 PM
I'm pretty sure all players and agents have an idea of where they think they are going to go. What they think the best fits are.

A lot of times those things don't really match up but you are naive if you don't think they go over all of this stuff.

dirk digler
09-21-2018, 02:44 PM
Awesome story and it all makes sense now. Hopefully Veach can work his magic on the defense now.

Kiimo
09-21-2018, 02:45 PM
Yeah about that. Very much hit or miss so far.

ct
09-21-2018, 03:01 PM
And now not only will the career success of Mahomes most likely pay higher dividends, but if you're a team doing business with Steinberg - how much higher is the trust level and credibility today?

and our man terez paylor just nabbed himself 2 solid agents in his circle of trust

ModSocks
09-21-2018, 03:01 PM
Steinberg is playing the long game to richen his pockets. Ensuring that his client goes to the best possible match so he has the best chance at development. Developing into a pro is what will lead to a big 2nd contract. You know...the the biggest contract a player will get. Thats wherr steinberg will make his money. Hes looking out for the best interest of his pockets

DaFace
09-21-2018, 03:04 PM
I miss Terez. It's nice that he gives us these articles from time to time, but he was, by far, the best beat writer the Chiefs have had in recent memory.

Easy 6
09-21-2018, 03:43 PM
Yeah it pretty much seems like Paylor was here just long enough for a cup of coffee before taking off for greener pastures, he was solid... but Babb still holds the title belt IMO

Chris Meck
09-21-2018, 03:55 PM
A. That story is obv bullshit. No way you believ it.

B. If it was true it's malpractice and Leigh would be sued. You can't possibly **know** what situation is best for a player. What if gojng to Chicago was better for Mahomes? What if playing in a huge market with a great defense ended up being better than in KC?

A. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I don't see the point in it not being true; it doesn't really matter.

B. No, no it wouldn't be. It's the agent's job to do what's in the best interest of his client first and foremost; hoping and trying to place him with a known 'guru' for QB's and a generally stable, solid situation would be in his client's best interest. It's also in his own best interest, as now he'll get to cash in on the HUGE payday that's coming in a few years.

Prison Bitch
09-21-2018, 03:59 PM
And all I'm saying is: it's unknowable. Take RG3: after year 1 everyone agrees he went to a good franchise with a Super Bowl winning coach and an owner who'd spend like mad. It all fell apart in a heartbeat the next year.

Way to early for me to say this - but it looks like Mahomes would've been a stud even if I were his coach, he's that talented.

DaFace
09-21-2018, 04:06 PM
And all I'm saying is: it's unknowable. Take RG3: after year 1 everyone agrees he went to a good franchise with a Super Bowl winning coach and an owner who'd spend like mad. It all fell apart in a heartbeat the next year.

Way to early for me to say this - but it looks like Mahomes would've been a stud even if I were his coach, he's that talented.

Talented? Yes. But much of what he did so well last week was reading the weak spots of the defense. That comes from a year of coaching and studying film.

He certainly may have been great no matter where he ended up, but there's no way you can completely discount the impact that sitting on the bench and learning from the coaches (and Alex) had on his ability to get the mental side of the game down.

DRM08
09-21-2018, 04:16 PM
Talented? Yes. But much of what he did so well last week was reading the weak spots of the defense. That comes from a year of coaching and studying film.

He certainly may have been great no matter where he ended up, but there's no way you can completely discount the impact that sitting on the bench and learning from the coaches (and Alex) had on his ability to get the mental side of the game down.

Reading NFL defenses quick enough to make big plays is a talent. Think about all the mega busts with huge arms that couldn’t handle the mental side of dealing with pro defenses.

Prison Bitch
09-21-2018, 04:20 PM
Broncos have had 2 HOF guys, with good coaches and stable ownership, and neither one was able to make the replacement worth a damn

patteeu
09-21-2018, 06:35 PM
blah blah blah

mumble, mumble, mumble

blah blah. We got Mahomes.

Great post!

Jewish Rabbi
09-21-2018, 06:41 PM
And all I'm saying is: it's unknowable. Take RG3: after year 1 everyone agrees he went to a good franchise with a Super Bowl winning coach and an owner who'd spend like mad. It all fell apart in a heartbeat the next year.

Way to early for me to say this - but it looks like Mahomes would've been a stud even if I were his coach, he's that talented.

RG3’s problem was that not only was he running a gimmick offense, he tore his ACL. Horrible comparison to what Mahomes is doing.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad
09-21-2018, 07:17 PM
Seems like a propaganda piece for a guy who completely whiffed the 2018 draft.

Veach was assigned to Mahomes

Hoover
09-21-2018, 07:30 PM
Seems like a propaganda piece for a guy who completely whiffed the 2018 draft.

Veach was assigned to Mahomes
A little quick to say that Veach wiffed on the 2018 draft. Its also hard to nail a draft when you don't have first rounder because that was used to aquire the all-world QB EVERYONE is talking about.

As for him being assigned, I call bullshit. Remember Dorsey being awkward in the draft room after drafting Mahomes. I think he knew he was on the way out and that Veach was going to be the guy in Kansas City. And why? Because he was all over the selection of the franchise QB.

Now I'm a Dorsey guy. I love him. I think he's great. I hated to see him go. Good luck finding a better evaluater of college talent. But I think everything went down the way it did because Veach, a guy reid trusts, identified the QB of the future. If Veach wasn't the Chiefs GM, he was going to be somewhere else. So who would you pick if you were Clark, they guy that identified and sold everyone on the franchise QB, or Dorsey.

It took balls to not keep Dorsey. I think the Browns are lucky to have him. And I think the Chiefs wwere smart to pick the young agressive GM they have in Veach.

Beef Supreme
09-21-2018, 07:35 PM
I would be fine with it if they had murdered the other NFL GMs to keep them away from Patrick. But this is good too.

Bowser
09-21-2018, 07:51 PM
Seems like a propaganda piece for a guy who completely whiffed the 2018 draft.

Veach was assigned to Mahomes

Two games in to the 2018 season and you know Veach whiffed on the 2018 draft. Impressive.

wazu
09-21-2018, 08:51 PM
Two games in to the 2018 season and you know Veach whiffed on the 2018 draft. Impressive.

Well, to be fair, it's been ugly so far.

DaFace
09-21-2018, 09:48 PM
Well, to be fair, it's been ugly so far.

Given that Mahomes was our first round pick this year, that seems like a fairly poor assessment. :)

But seriously, when you don't have a first round pick, it's hard to have a great draft. Even more so when your top pick is a guy who you are asking to change positions. These things take time.

htismaqe
09-21-2018, 09:57 PM
Given that Mahomes was our first round pick this year, that seems like a fairly poor assessment. :)

But seriously, when you don't have a first round pick, it's hard to have a great draft. Even more so when your top pick is a guy who you are asking to change positions. These things take time.

Maybe you shouldn't spend your first pick on a guy that needs to change positions?

I agree it's too early to call it a bust but man, 2 games in and we've seen like squat from this draft so far.

-King-
09-21-2018, 09:59 PM
Remember in the Mahomes thread when I said that I'm a fan of Steinberg?

Yeah - I knew there was a reason. What a standup move by the guy to put his client's well-being ahead of his raw draft stock. He could've leaked the Chiefs interest to get teams looking to trade up to 5-6 and get him. That soups up his signing bonus and puts more money immediately in Steinberg's pocket.

Instead he recognized just how perfect the situation in KC was for his guy and kept that information under his hat. Really not something I'd expect out of an agent and pretty damn commendable.

Eh, I think if you're dealing with a QB, getting him to a good situation is the most important thing. Over getting him drafted higher. As an agent, youd rather risk losing money now (by allowing your client to get drafted later in the round) and recouping on the 2nd contract. Cause that second contract for Mahomes is going to be fucking crazy.
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wazu
09-21-2018, 10:28 PM
Given that Mahomes was our first round pick this year, that seems like a fairly poor assessment. :)

But seriously, when you don't have a first round pick, it's hard to have a great draft. Even more so when your top pick is a guy who you are asking to change positions. These things take time.

Not expecting to see a first rounder as we didn't have one, but this draft so far still looks bad. Maybe it will all turn around in some kind of shocking development, but we have no reason to expect that right now. At first glance Veach appears to be good at evaluating offensive talent, and bad at defense. Hope I'm wrong.

Halfcan
09-21-2018, 10:33 PM
Reading NFL defenses quick enough to make big plays is a talent. Think about all the mega busts with huge arms that couldn’t handle the mental side of dealing with pro defenses.

:clap:

That is what Andy on Mahomes.

milkman
09-22-2018, 03:07 AM
Maybe you shouldn't spend your first pick on a guy that needs to change positions?

I agree it's too early to call it a bust but man, 2 games in and we've seen like squat from this draft so far.

We, as fans, came into this season with the belief that it would be a developmental, transitional year.

Maybe the Chiefs also had that same expectation.

Skyy God
09-22-2018, 11:41 AM
The article doesn’t explicitly state this, but I get the distinct impression Steinberg/Cabbot tipped the Chiefs off on exactly where they needed to trade up to nab Mahomes.

Which is smart, because they’re gonna make their $$ on a mega-second contract, which is less likely to happen if he ends up on a tire fire franchise or sits behind Brees for years.

KChiefs1
09-22-2018, 12:01 PM
I'm a Leigh Steinberg fan now.

Prison Bitch
09-22-2018, 12:33 PM
Seems like a propaganda piece for a guy who completely whiffed the 2018 draft.

Veach was assigned to Mahomes

Obv, the only explanation is all the good prospects were directed away from Bob Sutton by conniving agents looking out for their best interests.

Discuss Thrower
09-22-2018, 12:40 PM
That's just it: things change wayyyy too rapidly in the "Not For Long" league to believe such a story.


Also, not a single player gives a shit about "owenership stability". What a laughable load of nonsense that one is.

Eli Manning sez 'What's up'

Titty Meat
09-22-2018, 12:44 PM
It’s funny, I saw some Bears twitter guy last night trying to console their fan base with some bullshit about how the Chiefs wanted Trubisky more and just couldn’t get up to draft him high enough...

Lol. They didn’t want him at all.

They had dude here for like 7hours. So that's not true..

Prison Bitch
09-22-2018, 12:44 PM
The article doesn’t explicitly state this, but I get the distinct impression Steinberg/Cabbot tipped the Chiefs off on exactly where they needed to trade up to nab Mahomes.

Which is smart, because they’re gonna make their $$ on a mega-second contract, which is less likely to happen if he ends up on a tire fire franchise or sits behind Brees for years.

Never happened.

Agents want their players drafted as highly as possible, they couldn't care less where they land. They don't want their guy sitting in the green room sweating bullets, that's their fear.


Steinberg told 30 NFL teams how great Mahomes would look in their jersey.

Prison Bitch
09-22-2018, 12:45 PM
Eli Manning sez 'What's up'

Yep, he and Elway. Two examples in like 49 years. Makes my point.

Besides, that was a case of 1 team they didn't want to play for. Not forsaking all teams for 1 they supposedly did.

Easy 6
09-22-2018, 01:50 PM
Maybe you shouldn't spend your first pick on a guy that needs to change positions?

I agree it's too early to call it a bust but man, 2 games in and we've seen like squat from this draft so far.

Not to say we're gonna get the exact same results... but as far as Speaks goes, its important to remember that Hali wasnt an all-pro right off the bat either

RealSNR
09-22-2018, 02:05 PM
Not to say we're gonna get the exact same results... but as far as Speaks goes, its important to remember that Hali wasnt an all-pro right off the bat either



Tamba Hali, playing 4-3 DE for his first two years in the NFL, which is what he did at Penn State, totaled 8.0 and 7.5 sacks and played in all 16 games both seasons.

He wasn’t flashy, but he at least contributed in meaningful ways.

It’s been two years with two 2nd round picks at the same position, and we’re still waiting for either of them to do jack shit.

If that continues this season, what are we going to do next year? Blindly trust them? Draft a pass rusher AGAIN?

Prison Bitch
09-22-2018, 02:10 PM
And now not only will the career success of Mahomes most likely pay higher dividends, but if you're a team doing business with Steinberg - how much higher is the trust level and credibility today?

That's if you believe the story.

More likely scenario: he told every team how much he wanted Pat to be drafted by them and all the teams believed him because he was telling the truth - he did.

KChiefs1
09-22-2018, 02:57 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-finally-found-franchise-quarterback-patrick-mahomes-165452074.html

The next thing Cabott remembers doing on draft night reveals how clear the Chiefs were about their interest in Mahomes as their No. 1 guy. After Cabott and Steinberg got word of the trade, someone at Mahomes’ draft-day party fetched a Chiefs hat from behind a nearby banner and slipped it to Mahomes so he could put it on quickly for the cameras that were stationed to watch the ensuing celebration.

Shortly after the NFL Network broadcast went live, Mahomes was shown grinning widely, with a bright red Chiefs hat on his head. Cabott was caught smiling next to Steinberg, only a few feet away, while Veach beamed on his own in the Chiefs’ war room alongside Dorsey and Reid.

For months, this was what they all had wanted. And now, finally, it was a reality.

“Let’s say this,” Cabott concluded with a laugh, “we only had a few hats behind that banner.”


https://youtu.be/xUYoS5x1n9I

FAX
09-22-2018, 04:00 PM
This Danny Perkins guy ... is he the restaurateur?

If so, I would like an egg sandwich and an orange juice.

FAX THE FAMISHED

DRM08
09-22-2018, 04:12 PM
https://youtu.be/xUYoS5x1n9I

That's awesome. Probably a better experience than being at the draft. Surrounded by his family and friends in a laid back environment. Pretty cool.

wazu
09-22-2018, 04:28 PM
https://youtu.be/xUYoS5x1n9I

I'll admit it. I teared up a little.

Raiderhater
09-22-2018, 05:45 PM
That's awesome. Probably a better experience than being at the draft. Surrounded by his family and friends in a laid back environment. Pretty cool.



As I was watching it I thought about myself in that situation and thought the crowd looked a little large for who I’d invite. Then I considered teammates and coaches. In reality it probably was kind of a small crowd.

Chief Pagan
09-22-2018, 06:08 PM
Obv, the only explanation is all the good prospects were directed away from Bob Sutton by conniving agents looking out for their best interests.

I guess that is one explanation. But it would seem that you would want to go to KC's defense so you could get on the field quickly. It's not like there is a pro bowler in front of you.

:hmmm:

Demonpenz
09-22-2018, 08:52 PM
Jew status revoked

-King-
09-22-2018, 09:09 PM
Never happened.

Agents want their players drafted as highly as possible, they couldn't care less where they land. They don't want their guy sitting in the green room sweating bullets, that's their fear.


Steinberg told 30 NFL teams how great Mahomes would look in their jersey.

Agents want money. A guy on a good team is going to make more money on his second contract than the guy who was drafted by the shit team most likely. If I'm an agent, I'd be willing to bet that a QB under Andy is going to look a lot better than a QB under McDermott or whoever else could have drafted him
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KChiefs1
09-22-2018, 09:29 PM
I'll admit it. I teared up a little.



So did his dad.