The Chiefs should trade for Tyrann Mathieu

[carcosa]

Third thread's a charm, right?

The facts are these:

1. The Chiefs desperately need an upgrade at safety.

2. They were very close to trading for Earl Thomas, which shows that they know they desperately need an upgrade at safety.

3. Tyrann Mathieu is not quite Earl Thomas, but he has a history of high level play and this year has as many interceptions as the entire Chiefs defense and a rating of 72.3 from PFF, which qualifies as "Good."

4. Eric Murray has a 58.1 rating, which feels extremely generous. (Ron Parker has a 58.5)

5. Mathieu is on a one year contract, which means it wouldn't take a very high pick to get him.

6. Mathieu is also 26, which means he could be extended and become a long term upgrade.

7. Veach expressed interest in Mathieu this past offseason:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Veach says he&#39;s interested in Tyrann Matthieu if he can make the money work.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/974055983768047618?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2018</a></blockquote>
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8. Veach has already established a pattern of getting guys on the second or third try (see Watkins, Hitchens)

9. The Texans are going nowhere this season. If they lose a few more games, they can safely be considered sellers.

10. Perhaps most importantly, THE CHIEFS DESPERATELY NEED AN UPGRADE AT SAFETY

So, how many posts to make this happen???

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Let’s do it!

[htismaqe]

To the JUNK!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/La_Rochelle_-_Jonque_de_plaisance.JPG

[carcosa]

Let’s do it!

Thank you!

[ModSocks]

Why, has he been good this year?

[carcosa]

Why, has he been good this year?

According to PFF, he has been "Good."

['Hamas' Jenkins]

With how the NFL is changing, the Chiefs probably only have a two or three year window with this group of skill position players given that Mahomes is on a cheap deal. If he's as good as people think, they'll be able to compete for years after, but it would be extremely hard for them to find a group of skill position players like this, given the salaries they'll command.

They should make as many moves like this as they can.

[carcosa]

With how the NFL is changing, the Chiefs probably only have a two or three year window with this group of skill position players given that Mahomes is on a cheap deal. If he's as good as people think, they'll be able to compete for years after, but it would be extremely hard for them to find a group of skill position players like this, given the salaries they'll command.

They should make as many moves like this as they can.

Yes!

[Why Not?]

Not happening. At least not for a few weeks. Had the Texans lost today, maybe. But they'll need to be 1-5 or so before they throw in the towel.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

With how the NFL is changing, the Chiefs probably only have a two or three year window with this group of skill position players given that Mahomes is on a cheap deal. If he's as good as people think, they'll be able to compete for years after, but it would be extremely hard for them to find a group of skill position players like this, given the salaries they'll command.

They should make as many moves like this as they can.

He’ll never have weapons as good as this group again in his career. Period.

That said, the defense has a ton of room to improve which also would help him over the years.

[carcosa]

Not happening. At least not for a few weeks. Had the Texans lost today, maybe. But they'll need to be 1-5 or so before they throw in the towel.

You should take a cue from your screen name

[Sassy Squatch]

Why, has he been good this year?
A hell of a lot better than Murray.

[T-post Tom]

I'm beginning to wonder if these threads are bad karma.

[In58men]

A suggestion from March?

Let’s get excited!!!!!

[htismaqe]

With how the NFL is changing, the Chiefs probably only have a two or three year window with this group of skill position players given that Mahomes is on a cheap deal. If he's as good as people think, they'll be able to compete for years after, but it would be extremely hard for them to find a group of skill position players like this, given the salaries they'll command.

They should make as many moves like this as they can.

:clap::clap::clap:

[carcosa]

:clap::clap::clap:

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Why Not?]

You should take a cue from your screen name

I'm not saying I'm opposed to it. I just don't think the Texans would do it.

[carcosa]

I'm not saying I'm opposed to it. I just don't think the Texans would do it.

But they COULD do it.

[Sassy Squatch]

I'm not saying I'm opposed to it. I just don't think the Texans would do it.
Texans have this schedule up to the trade deadline.

Cowboys
Bills
Jaguars
Dolphins

They may not be in tank mode by the deadline with that Charmin schedule.

[Why Not?]

But they COULD do it.

Sure. Give 'em a call

[carcosa]

Sure. Give 'em a call

Thank you!!!!

[bricks]

I gotta question, why do we have to act like this defense is a 1 year fix?

I mean im all for improving the D don’t get me wrong, but acting in this manner reeks of desperation. Then you have these teams like Seattle that know that and unrealistically up the ante for their own trade assets and it wouldn’t surprise me if other teams would do the same.

This team is not a 1 year fix. Im very happy that they got the QB and the weapons , surrounding cast and coach to compliment him. The D is lacking on all levels, trading for a safety isn’t going to fix it. It may help, but this D is in need of a complete overhaul. Im just thinking logically and realistically here guys. What we need to do is ****ing draft well and not trade for these veterans either with big contracts or are on the verge of hitting FA.

We should be trying to get as many picks as possible. And try to address as many positions as possible on D.

[Why Not?]

Texans have this schedule up to the trade deadline.

Cowboys
Bills
Jaguars
Dolphins

They may not be in tank mode by the deadline with that Charmin schedule.

That's what I'm saying.

[htismaqe]

I gotta question, why do we have to act like this defense is a 1 year fix?

I mean im all for improving the D don’t get me wrong, but acting in this manner reeks of desperation. Then you have these teams like Seattle that know that and unrealistically up the ante for their own trade assets and it wouldn’t surprise me if other teams would do the same.

This team is not a 1 year fix. Im very happy that they got the QB and the weapons , surrounding cast and coach to compliment him. The D is lacking on all levels, trading for a safety isn’t going to fix it. It may help, but this D is in need of a complete overhaul. Im just thinking logically and realistically here guys. What we need to do is ****ing draft well and not trade for these veterans either with big contracts or are on the verge of hitting FA.

We should be trying to get as many picks as possible. And try to address as many positions as possible on D.

This defense can't be completely fixed in 1 year, no.

But the addition of an all-pro safety like Earl Thomas would have turned the defense' biggest weakness into its biggest strength. It would have made them the odds on favorite to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

[carcosa]

Texans have this schedule up to the trade deadline.

Cowboys
Bills
Jaguars
Dolphins

They may not be in tank mode by the deadline with that Charmin schedule.

Gotta root for a couple losses in a row starting next week!

[htismaqe]

What we need to do is ****ing draft well

Yeah, that's going to be a tall order when they're drafting guys like Speaks and KPass...

[RunKC]

Not sure who it will be but I think Veach is gonna go hard after someone by the trade deadline.

[Sassy Squatch]

Not sure who it will be but I think Veach is gonna go hard after someone by the trade deadline.
Guess he deserves some props for at least admitting there's a gaping hole in our roster and attempting to fix it. He sure was aiming high with Thomas.

[tk13]

It's easy to sit back and say we have Mahomes for 10 years, but I do agree with Hamas... this offensive group is special. You don't want to waste them.

That said, there is zero reason to believe that Houston is looking to be a seller right now. I'm guessing if you ask the Texans front office they'd laugh at you. The reality is Veach needs to hit in the draft.

[bricks]

Yeah, that's going to be a tall order when they're drafting guys like Speaks and KPass...

They need to move away from drafting these hybrid type 3-4 DE/OLB. They need to go with pure rushbackers.

[htismaqe]

They need to move away from drafting these hybrid type 3-4 DE/OLB. They need to go with pure rushbackers.

We see that but do they? I'm not at all confident they know what they are doing with defensive drafts.

[carcosa]

It's easy to sit back and say we have Mahomes for 10 years, but I do agree with Hamas... this offensive group is special. You don't want to waste them.

That said, there is zero reason to believe that Houston is looking to be a seller right now. I'm guessing if you ask the Texans front office they'd laugh at you. The reality is Veach needs to hit in the draft.

If they lose at least one of the next two and then lose to the Jags, they're dead in their division and have to compete with the Ravens/Bengals/Chargers/Titans for the wild card. They might not laugh at that point.

[bricks]

They need natural, gifted passrushing specialists that play that position and not depend on these 3-4 DE/OLB or try to convert these DEs into passrushers. They depend on that too much and its not translating into success.

[Simply Red]

IM' ELECT RIGHT NOW!

[bricks]

And what also doesn’t help is this stupid defensive coach that consistently relies on the 3 man rush.

[carcosa]

IM' ELECT RIGHT NOW!

Yip!

[Sassy Squatch]

If they lose at least one of the next two and then lose to the Jags, they're dead in their division and have to compete with the Ravens/Bengals/Chargers/Titans for the wild card. They might not laugh at that point.
Too bad Frank Reich and the NFLs glue factory couldn't do at least one fucking thing right and put these fuckwits away.

[bricks]

We see that but do they? I'm not at all confident they know what they are doing with defensive drafts.

I don’t blame you for feeling that way. I can’t comment to say if they do see that, I just hope that they learn from what is actually setting them back on D.

[htismaqe]

Too bad Frank Reich and the NFLs glue factory couldn't do at least one fucking thing right and put these fuckwits away.

ROFL

[htismaqe]

And what also doesn’t help is this stupid defensive coach that consistently relies on the 3 man rush.

:facepalm:

[TribalElder]

Honey Badger plays strong

he was a bit small as I remember but plays with a ton of heart

[carcosa]

Honey Badger plays strong

he was a bit small as I remember but plays with a ton of heart

This defense needs HEART

[Sassy Squatch]

Honey Badger plays strong

he was a bit small as I remember but plays with a ton of heart
He's 5'9 on his tiptoes and weighs 185. Small but he does play a ferocious style. Sometimes to his own detriment.

[KS Smitty]

Since we jumped in front of the Texans for the GOAT QB I doubt they want to do anything to help us.

[Simply Red]

Since we jumped in front of the Texans for the GOAT QB I doubt they want to do anything to help us.

Do FOs really think like this?

[Chief Roundup]

:facepalm:

[Sassy Squatch]

Since we jumped in front of the Texans for the GOAT QB I doubt they want to do anything to help us.
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[KS Smitty]

Do FOs really think like this?

If I were in the FO I would. :shrug:

[In58men]

I bet this thread reaches more pages than the Earl Thomas thread. As long as he’s healthy we’ll be posting.

[NJChiefsFan]

I bet this thread reaches more pages than the Earl Thomas thread. As long as he’s healthy we’ll be posting.

Every thread ends the same. Breeland and Thomas both become or turn out to be charbroiled carnage and then and only then do we give up on them. Looks like he's next.

[NWTF]

With how the NFL is changing, the Chiefs probably only have a two or three year window with this group of skill position players given that Mahomes is on a cheap deal. If he's as good as people think, they'll be able to compete for years after, but it would be extremely hard for them to find a group of skill position players like this, given the salaries they'll command.

They should make as many moves like this as they can.

100% Agree.

[Simply Red]

If I missed something - I apologize - in the middle of a movie - but has the Texans expressed any interest in trading the HB?

[Sassy Squatch]

If I missed something - I apologize - in the middle of a movie - but has the Texans expressed any interest in trading the HB?
No. All hypothetical at this point.

[carcosa]

If I missed something - I apologize - in the middle of a movie - but has the Texans expressed any interest in trading the HB?

No - but if we post the right way - we can will a trade into existence!!!

[Simply Red]

No - but if we post the right way - we can will a trade into existence!!!

perhops - i'm daown!

[Simply Red]

any word?

[New World Order]

Too bad Frank Reich and the NFLs glue factory couldn't do at least one ****ing thing right and put these ****wits away.

A tie would have probably worked

[carcosa]

any word?

No thing yet ------- lets getsum positive energy going !!

[New World Order]

Not saying I’m a huge fan of Veach, but one thing about him he’s definitely not scared of making a deal for a player.

I’m sure he had a backup plan if Earl didn’t work out. Mathieu May be it.

[carcosa]

Not saying I’m a huge fan of Veach, but one thing about him he’s definitely not scared of making a deal for a player.

I’m sure he had a backup plan if Earl didn’t work out. Mathieu May be it.

Hell Yeah. I bet he's working the phones RIGHR now

[Bump]

last year was his only full season, think he can make it 2 years in a row?

[Simply Red]

Hell Yeah. I bet he's working the phones RIGHR now

YES!

[New World Order]

Hell Yeah. I bet he's working the phones RIGHR now

I’m already celebrating

[Simply Red]

I just invited Brett Veach to play Candy Crush with me on FB - will let you all know!

[carcosa]

I just invited Brett Veach to play Candy Crush with me on FB - will let you all know!

Fongers crissed!!!

[In58men]

Every thread ends the same. Breeland and Thomas both become or turn out to be charbroiled carnage and then and only then do we give up on them. Looks like he's next.

True ROFL

[Mecca]

Not saying I’m a huge fan of Veach, but one thing about him he’s definitely not scared of making a deal for a player.

I’m sure he had a backup plan if Earl didn’t work out. Mathieu May be it.

I assumed the back up plan was praying Eric Berry would play.

[kccrow]

Chiefs aren't trading for any of these assholes. They had their chance to sign guys like this.

[htismaqe]

I bet this thread reaches more pages than the Earl Thomas thread. As long as he’s healthy we’ll be posting.

It won't because I'm not messing with it. I had 500 posts in that other thread, easily.

[Eleazar]

OK gang, how many posts do we need before he gets hurt or goes somewhere else?

[O.city]

It won't because I'm not messing with it. I had 500 posts in that other thread, easily.

Mea Culpa, I fought you on the Earl trade. I'm on the other side with you now. As Hamas said you aren't having this offense in this form forever. Go now and lets make a play.

[arrowheadnation]

I know we joke about “willing” a trade into existence, but the age of social media is something special. the more people that tweet about it to media guys like Rappaport and Schaffer will get them to start looking into it and force them to give public answers which then reaches the casual fans who then put even more pressure on Veach to make a move. I’m 100% on the “let’s buy one” bandwagon. I say we go after both Peterson and Honey badger.

[TambaBerry]

why do you have to take my idea and make it a thread?

[CupidStunt]

I bet this thread reaches more pages than the Earl Thomas thread. As long as he’s healthy we’ll be posting.

Nah. ET had some foundation in rumor and made sense because we knew for a fact he wanted out and it made sense for all involved. This one is a total shot in the dark which isn't worth even thinking about.

[carcosa]

why do you have to take my idea and make it a thread?

It's a business

[scho63]

It seems like once a CP member starts a thread hoping to trade for a guy, it's the beginning of the end! ROFL

[suzzer99]

What about Brandon Carr? He played great last night and he's going back to the bench.

[saphojunkie]

To the JUNK!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/La_Rochelle_-_Jonque_de_plaisance.JPG

Men have conquered the oceans on less.

[htismaqe]

What about Brandon Carr? He played great last night and he's going back to the bench.

I suggested this last night! :D

[nychief]

Tim Duncan ain't walking through that door.

[chiefforlife]

What about Brandon Carr? He played great last night and he's going back to the bench.

Why would the Ravens trade a corner to their biggest threat in the AFC?

[Simply Red]

Okay Twitter Tards of CP - get your lunch pail and backpack and go do work!!

[saphojunkie]

What about Brandon Carr? He played great last night and he's going back to the bench.

I kept thinking this. There's no way that Baltimore would send him to KC, not when it looks like we are direct rivals for the 1 seed.

[Couch-Potato]

Yes, please.

[BryanBusby]

I would talk to the Giants about Landon Collins.

[-King-]

I would talk to the Giants about Landon Collins.

They're not trading him and he's more of a box safety like Berry anyway.
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[BryanBusby]

They're not trading him and he's more of a box safety like Berry anyway.
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The Giants are a total rebuild and I think declaring him in the box only is odd. He can cover well.

He due for an extension and Gettleman is stingy.

[saphojunkie]

They're not trading him and he's more of a box safety like Berry anyway.
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Good, because I don't think Berry be coming back soon.

[-King-]

The Giants are a total rebuild and I think declaring him in the box only is odd. He can cover well.

He due for an extension and Gettleman is stingy.

They're not going to give up their really good safety just because.

And as cheap as he may be, he gave OBJ the biggest WR deal in history. I think he's willing to pay the few good players they gave.
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[Naptown Chief]

Haven't read the entire thread, yet. Has anyone e mentioned the need for a minimum of 3000 posts before this becomes a possibility?

[BryanBusby]

They're not going to give up their really good safety just because.

And as cheap as he may be, he gave OBJ the biggest WR deal in history. I think he's willing to pay the few good players they gave.
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It comes down to what he sees the value perception at and what Collins wants. He's the same GM that let Josh Norman walk free, after being tagged, because the price wasn't right.

If they're not going to give him a long term contract than they would stupid to not field offers. Heck, they'd be stupid to not field offers anyhow. That team fucking sucks.

[Chief Pagan]

Every thread ends the same. Breeland and Thomas both become or turn out to be charbroiled carnage and then and only then do we give up on them. Looks like he's next.

So you are sayin' that we should start a thread to trade for Brady, Ben, Rivers, Bortles, Watson, Flacco? Anyone else relevant I missed?

:hmmm:

[rtmike]

Anyone remember the Texans draft room right after we traded up for Mahomes?

[Couch-Potato]

Anyone remember the Texans draft room right after we traded up for Mahomes?

Good point.

[Naptown Chief]

So you are sayin' that we should start a thread to trade for Brady, Ben, Rivers, Bortles, Watson, Flacco? Anyone else relevant I missed?

:hmmm:

Dude, you might be on to something.

[carcosa]

Anyone remember the Texans draft room right after we traded up for Mahomes?

Maybe they'd take Mahomes for Mathieu???

[RINGLEADER]

I had wished we had gotten him in the off-season but at this point I doubt the Texans would let him go.

You have to either look to NFC teams that suck or AFC teams that REALLY suck.

[carcosa]

Think they'd take a first rounder???

[TribalElder]

Anyone remember the Texans draft room right after we traded up for Mahomes?

YES! It was one of the best feelings I've ever had watching the draft