Pick up the phone, Veach!

[OnTheWarpath15]

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Sorry I'm not sorry if buried in another thread.

[O.city]

Yeah I do t think corner is the big issue but if I could add him?

Yeah, let’s do that

[Reerun_KC]

Why isnt he answering your call?

[dannybcaitlyn]

One can dream. Make it happen Veach!

[O.city]

Might take our first this year

I’d do it

Fuck it

[jjchieffan]

I had to look it up. So for anyone else wondering, the trade deadline this year is on October 30 at 4:00pm EST. So, a little over 2 weeks to make a trade.

[T-post Tom]

11 million a year base plus HIGH draft pick (s). More likely to find a cheaper free safety. Would be an amazing acquisition though.

[TwistedChief]

Yes, please.

How many posts do we need to make this happen??

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/corryjoel/status/1051475506955079680?s=21

That’s not a bad deal for a top corner

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

How old is PP ?

[carcosa]

DO

IT

RIGHT

NOW

VEACH!!!!

[Sofa King]

This is a trade I would love to see happen. Trade and sign to an extension to lower the year 1 hit

[Sure-Oz]

Hope they try for this... Gotta try to make a defensive addition even if thid doesn't happen

[St. Patty's Fire]

yes

yes

yes

please get peterson

exactly what we need

[Red Dawg]

If Veach dies nothing before the deadline then he sucks. We have a great opportunity and he is wasting if nothing happens.

[RippedmyFlesh]

How old is PP ?

28

[St. Patty's Fire]

If Veach dies nothing before the deadline then he sucks. We have a great opportunity and he is wasting if nothing happens.

if veach dies ill be pretty upset

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

28

Sign him !!!!!!!!

[rico]

No...fucking...........hesitation.....Veach.....do....it!!!!!

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Well, he’d give us the personnel (much like ET would have) to do some awesome things and better match up on any opponent.

I wouldn’t want to give a TON up, but I’d at least call and see what they want.

[O.city]

That’s not a bad deal for a top of the like corner for the next couple year

[O.city]

Well, he’d give us the personnel (much like ET would have) to do some awesome things and better match up on any opponent.

I wouldn’t want to give a TON up, but I’d at least call and see what they want.

Would you give them both our 2nds next year?

[rico]

Dude’s contract is extended until 2021 with AZ... so we wouldn’t have to speculate whether or not we will extend him.

[O.city]

Dude’s contract is extended until 2021 with AZ... so we wouldn’t have to speculate whether or not we will extend him.

Yeah this is the kind of trade you’d want to make

It’ll cost more than someone that needs a new deal thoigh. Probably have to give up a first

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Would you give them both our 2nds next year?

If his film still shows a lockdown corner, yeah I probably would.

Especially if we win tonight. Cause that means the SB window is as open as ever.

[O.city]

Do it now before they play again.

[TwistedChief]

If his film still shows a lockdown corner, yeah I probably would.

I know PFF's worth is debatable, but they have him ranked third this year.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1696744/pff-cardinals-star-patrick-peterson-graded-third-best-cornerback-nfl/

[Mecca]

You could argue he's the best man CB in the league, for Sutton he's basically a god send.

[rico]

Yeah this is the kind of trade you’d want to make

It’ll cost more than someone that needs a new deal thoigh. Probably have to give up a first

Oh for sure a first. Guy was selected 5th overall himself in 2011 and has made it to 7 consecutive pro bowls since entering the league. A for sure first rounder and probably more.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I know PFF's worth is debatable, but they have him ranked third this year.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1696744/pff-cardinals-star-patrick-peterson-graded-third-best-cornerback-nfl/

So he’s still a stud more than likely. Nice.

[rico]

If we sent a high draft pick and a player, wonder what positions they’d be looking at...? I believe they switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 this year, right?

[Mecca]

I don't know if they'd even get a 1 for him honestly, hardly anyone goes for a 1 these days unless your a young pass rusher or something.

[O.city]

If his film still shows a lockdown corner, yeah I probably would.

Especially if we win tonight. Cause that means the SB window is as open as ever.

Tonight is big but it isn’t the end of the world if they lose

Peterson would be a huge add

[O.city]

If we sent a high draft pick and a player, wonder what positions they’d be looking at...? I believe they switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 this year, right?

They wanna rebuild. They’ll just want picks

[Mecca]

If we sent a high draft pick and a player, wonder what positions they’d be looking at...? I believe they switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 this year, right?

Yea to the point that they are willing to move on from other players also...they probably just want picks, they are in an extreme rebuild.

[MTG#10]

Nelson and Peterson on the outsides, Fuller in the slot. Or Fuller and Peterson on the outsides and Nelson in the slot. Either way we'd have a top 5 CB trio in the league. If Berry ever comes back and can be even 75% this team would instantly become SB favorites.

[O.city]

I don't know if they'd even get a 1 for him honestly, hardly anyone goes for a 1 these days unless your a young pass rusher or something.

With him having a contract already and it being pretty good, I think a first would be what it takes

[Mecca]

With him having a contract already and it being pretty good, I think a first would be what it takes

They might throw you Reddick also if they want that 1, that makes it a little more reasonable.

[O.city]

They might throw you Reddick also if they want that 1, that makes it a little more reasonable.

Reddicks contract makes him a little tougher if I understand la canfora right

[rico]

Time to get my twitter geek on!!!

[rico]

Yea to the point that they are willing to move on from other players also...they probably just want picks, they are in an extreme rebuild.

Yeah, I agree... and Fitz has gotta be thinking, “FML.”

[ChiefEd]

If we get too hyped up about this, he’ll probably bust his leg in Minnesota today...

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

If we sent a high draft pick and a player, wonder what positions they’d be looking at...? I believe they switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 this year, right?

I'd give them a 4th and Eric Berry,Daniel Sorenson, LDT and DAT .

They'd then have a future ,kinda.

[Mecca]

Yeah, I agree... and Fitz has gotta be thinking, “FML.”

He's at the very end. I honestly wonder if he came back to try to get higher on the record books and pocket a little more cash.

You know he's top 5 in a ton of categories? He's a lock HOFer.

[carcosa]

IM HORNEY FOR THIS TRADE

[rico]

I'd give them a 4th and Eric Berry,Daniel Sorenson, LDT and DAT .

They'd then have a future ,kinda.

ROFL

[CaliforniaChief]

I think we just found our next 3,000 post thread. Make it happen, Brett!

[rico]

He's at the very end. I honestly wonder if he came back to try to get higher on the record books and pocket a little more cash.

You know he's top 5 in a ton of categories? He's a lock HOFer.

I said the same exact thing to someone at work the other day (a dude who didn’t give a shit...at all...I was just spouting because the dude is extremely quiet and will just sit there and try to listen to anything...it was pretty funny).

I spent 3 hours earlier that day compiling current WR stats and was floored by Fitz’s. I knew he had put up good numbers over his career, but holy shit...the guy has 110 TD’s and 1251 receptions for 15,721 yards. Yeah that dude is a lock... and I said the same thing to this mute I work with.... he’s gonna stay around and try to pad the stats at this point.

[Easy 6]

For 2 seconds? absolutely, get it done

The only real question, is if we actually do switch to a 4-3 and play a lot more zone... is he as valuable in zone, as he is in press man?

[rico]

Here is where Fitz is currently sitting in TD’s:

1 Jerry Rice+ 197 1985-2004
2 Randy Moss+ 156 1998-2012
3 Terrell Owens+ 153 1996-2010
4 Cris Carter+ 130 1987-2002
5 Marvin Harrison+ 128 1996-2008
6 Antonio Gates 115 2003-2018
7 Tony Gonzalez 111 1997-2013
8 Larry Fitzgerald 110 2004-2018

I’m guessing he will be top 6 for sure by the time he’s done...if he sticks around, top 4.


This is where he is currently sitting for receiving yards:


Rank Player Yds Years Tm
1 Jerry Rice+ 22,895 1985-2004
2 Terrell Owens+ 15,934 1996-2010
3 Larry Fitzgerald 15,721 2004-2018
4 Randy Moss+ 15,292 1998-2012
5 Isaac Bruce 15,208 1994-2009

He’s gonna be #2...

Guy is a lock.

[KChiefs1]

I said this a few weeks ago.

[Chief Roundup]

Come on our CBs are not the problem. We need safety help bad.

[Chargem]

Come on our CBs are not the problem. We need safety help bad.

I agree with this.

We're probably about to see our corners play fine tonight and the defense get shredded by poor tight end coverage and running backs catching balls out of the backfield. PP helps neither of these situations.

[O.city]

You’re gonna need a corner or two next year also. It’s not just for this season that he’d help.

It’s a true number one corner on a good deal for the next 3 years

[jjchieffan]

I say that Veach should offer a 4th this year and a 2nd next year. Isn't that the going rate for a young probowl corner??


Before anyone gets upright, turn on your sarcasm meter. I was and am good with the Peters trade. I'm just poking at the ones who aren't.

[Chris Meck]

those two seconds are basically going to be 3's, so fuck yeah.

[O.city]

I think it would take a first plus.

He’s an all pro in his prime and is on a good contract

[carcosa]

Come on our CBs are not the problem. We need safety help bad.

I agree that CB is not the problem, but adding an all pro talent anywhere on the field would be a big boost. Peterson can basically shrink the field, giving the scrubs less ground to cover.

PULL THE TRIGGER VEACH

[TLO]

WE NEED 4000 POSTS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. LET'S... GOOOOOOO!

[SAUTO]

I'd give our two seconds.

I'd give our first and a 4th for him and Reddick

[The Franchise]

Makes a ton of sense. So it probably won’t happen.

[New World Order]

Get Bethea too.

He's old but still productive.

[O.city]

I’d rather have him and Buchanan

[Sassy Squatch]

Chiefsplanet thinks we're trading for Patrick Peterson?!?

https://media.tenor.com/images/8c98132a35f26bdff324ddded73751a5/tenor.gif

[jjchieffan]

Yeah. I'm not too sure about trading for him at this point in time. Ward looked like the real deal at Dallas. I would want to see what he can do in our defense before trading for another corner. Like it's been said, safety is our big need. That makes me more against this trade. If they use resources to trade for Petersen, there may not be resources available for a safety too.

[SAUTO]

I’d rather have him and Buchanan

Yeah. Buchanon is more safety hybrid. Probably fits our needs

[Mecca]

I’d rather have him and Buchanan

I don't know if they can find that much cap room, that's like 16 million dollars.

I get that safety is a bigger issue however if you bring in Peterson you maybe can slide Scandrick into a safety spot which I think he would do fine at.

[rico]

I agree that CB is not the problem, but adding an all pro talent anywhere on the field would be a big boost. Peterson can basically shrink the field, giving the scrubs less ground to cover.

PULL THE TRIGGER VEACH

I love carcosa. He is nice and he makes me happy.

[TLO]

Carcosa is great

[dj56dt58]

Would you give them both our 2nds next year?

Yeah..

Lets say with our 2nds we do this:

Draft a corner

corner ends up being pretty good for a while

then starts to struggle or have injury issues

we let him go without resigning

The other 2nd round pick is a bust


OR

Patrick Peterson playing at a high level for 4-5 years in which we have a Superbowl caliber offense during that time

sign me up

[Chief Roundup]

I don't know if they can find that much cap room, that's like 16 million dollars.

I get that safety is a bigger issue however if you bring in Peterson you maybe can slide Scandrick into a safety spot which I think he would do fine at.

I seen where if we sign PP right at the deadline we would only be on the hook for $5.8M this year. I have no idea about the other players contract though.

[SAUTO]

I don't know if they can find that much cap room, that's like 16 million dollars.

I get that safety is a bigger issue however if you bring in Peterson you maybe can slide Scandrick into a safety spot which I think he would do fine at.
I was just going to ask if we thought scandrick could play safety. I couldn't figure out a reason why not

[rico]

Carcosa is great

Yeah...he is pretty super duper and spectacular.

[htismaqe]

If you get the chance to make a move like this, you do it.

[Buckweath]

I've got news for you. Veach is clearly not trading a 1st or his 2 2nd round picks on 2019 for a 28 year old CB.

There is no way Peterson is worth more than Peters was at the time we traded him. For all of Peters' attitude problems, the guy was 25 years old and still had two relatively cheap years to play out his rookie contract.

[RunKC]

If you get the chance to make a move like this, you do it.

100% agree. This would actually be better than Earl Thomas.

He’s 2 years younger and his cap hits for 2 years after this season are cheap compared to the current market.

[rico]

100% agree. This would actually be better than Earl Thomas.

He’s 2 years younger and his cap hits for 2 years after this season are cheap compared to the current market.

This.

[Sassy Squatch]

While we're at it lets get in on the Raiders firesale.

[htismaqe]

I was just going to ask if we thought scandrick could play safety. I couldn't figure out a reason why not

Scandrick's big problem now is that he's lost athleticism. He's a smart guy and has a high football IQ though. Putting him at FS would give him a chance to use that IQ and not have to worry about making up ground. Everything would be in front of him. I think it could work. I think for a guy like Peterson, you MAKE it work.

[The Franchise]

I’m for it considering that we only have 3 CBs under contract for next season.

Fuller
Smith
Ward

[htismaqe]

100% agree. This would actually be better than Earl Thomas.

He’s 2 years younger and his cap hits for 2 years after this season are cheap compared to the current market.

Yes, it would be better than Thomas. It's also going to be more expensive than Thomas.

But yeah, this would be an A+ move.

[Mecca]

I've got news for you. Veach is clearly not trading a 1st or his 2 2nd round picks on 2019 for a 28 year old CB.

There is no way Peterson is worth more than Peters was at the time we traded him. For all of Peters' attitude problems, the guy was 25 years old and still had two relatively cheap years to play out his rookie contract.

Peterson is actually a shutdown guy...better player than Peters.

[The Franchise]

Yes, it would be better than Thomas. It's also going to be more expensive than Thomas.

But yeah, this would be an A+ move.

1st round pick gets it done, you think?

[htismaqe]

Peterson is actually a shutdown guy...better player than Peters.

Not only that but people simply don't want to accept the fact that Peters had baggage. He only brought a 2nd because teams were wary of him being a problem.

Patrick Peterson has none of that.

[htismaqe]

1st round pick gets it done, you think?

It probably would, although I'd try to look at moving a couple 2nd rounders first.

[The Franchise]

It probably would, although I'd try to look at moving a couple 2nd rounders first.

I’d offer them a 2nd round pick and a pick in 2020.

[htismaqe]

I’d offer them a 2nd round pick and a pick in 2020.

Yep. Got two of them and they'll likely both be right at the end of the round.

[SAUTO]

I’d offer them a 2nd round pick and a pick in 2020.

2nd in both years.

[PHOG]

There's time for him to catch a plane and be in New England tonight! Do it!

[In58men]

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Karl Joesph?


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[htismaqe]

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Karl Joesph?


I would say "not in the division" but it's Gruden so who knows...

[carcosa]

I love carcosa. He is nice and he makes me happy.

Carcosa is great

I love my friends rico and TLO!

[The Franchise]

2nd in both years.

Done. Easily.

[RunKC]

Yeah I’m down for giving two 2nd’s but not a 1st.

[MahiMike]

867-5309

Call now!

[Dunerdr]

I feel like we're thin enough at safety that Joseph has to be an option. I've been thinking a lot about if it would be worth it for a team like kc on the brink to mortgage it and get guys like Peterson Reddick and maybe others in a here and now move to make a push.

[Chris Meck]

sure a mid to late round pick for Joseph, I'd do that. It's the kind of reclamation project Veach likes. low risk, high reward. Doubt the Raiders would do it though, divisional foes.

[TambaBerry]

I feel like we're thin enough at safety that Joseph has to be an option. I've been thinking a lot about if it would be worth it for a team like kc on the brink to mortgage it and get guys like Peterson Reddick and maybe others in a here and now move to make a push.

absolutely is, get proven players that can help right now while Mahomes is under a rookie contract

[The Franchise]

Highly doubt Gruden will trade him here. I’d offer them a 5th or 6th for him though.

[Tribal Warfare]

Sully Forth!

[MVChiefFan]

It may not happen, but Gruden is stupid enough to do it.

[rico]

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[htismaqe]

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[Simplicity]

It’s probably posted somewhere above but can someone tell me what PP’s contract looks like? If we do end up trading for him how soon will we have to re-sign him? He has to view KC as very intriguing given the amount of talent we have in addition to PM. He’s 28 and not getting any younger so a ring has to be on his mind.

[carcosa]

Have we traded for this piece of shit yet????

[Mecca]

I would say "not in the division" but it's Gruden so who knows...

Gruden and Reid have a relationship so that in the division shit may not apply that much.

[carcosa]

The good news is Peterson didn't break his leg today!

[Chiefs4TheWin]

Uhhhhh, trade for this dude now.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I am intrigued.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I want this to happen if for no other reason than I just don’t wanna see Antonio Brown, JuJu, Josh Gordon, or who the fuck ever it may be torch the Chiefs to beat us in the playoffs.

[lcarus]

I said the same exact thing to someone at work the other day (a dude who didn’t give a shit...at all...I was just spouting because the dude is extremely quiet and will just sit there and try to listen to anything...it was pretty funny).

I spent 3 hours earlier that day compiling current WR stats and was floored by Fitz’s. I knew he had put up good numbers over his career, but holy shit...the guy has 110 TD’s and 1251 receptions for 15,721 yards. Yeah that dude is a lock... and I said the same thing to this mute I work with.... he’s gonna stay around and try to pad the stats at this point.

I was looking at WR stats the other day too and holy shit Jerry Rice's stats are absurd. I knew he was the best ever and led all major categories but god damn nobody will break those records. Even in this era of pass happy no-defense-allowed flag football bullcrap. He truly was the best ever.

[htismaqe]

It’s probably posted somewhere above but can someone tell me what PP’s contract looks like? If we do end up trading for him how soon will we have to re-sign him? He has to view KC as very intriguing given the amount of talent we have in addition to PM. He’s 28 and not getting any younger so a ring has to be on his mind.

He's wrapped up through like 2021 or something.

[O.city]

Yeah this is a better trade than Thomas imo

He’s locked up for a few more years on a pretty good deal

[BossChief]

A 2 and 3 this year...or a first next year...or a 2 this year and a 2 next year.

If they push to get this years first, I’d still pull the trigger.

I doubt anyone offers more than one of those deals.

I’d like to keep enough ammo to move up to get one of the pass rushers in this draft.

[htismaqe]

Yeah this is a better trade than Thomas imo

He’s locked up for a few more years on a pretty good deal

It's absolutely a better trade than Thomas. The only reason Thomas made more sense at the time was because of the need.

If you're going on the caliber and age of the player, etc. Peterson is by far the better move.

[CupidStunt]

At this point who even cares about the compensation. Just get some things done, much like the Rams did in the offseason. Whoever's available, bring 'em in. Having X or Y guy might be the difference on one play and thus between winning and losing a playoff game in the 4th quarter.

[O.city]

Yeah not just for this year but for the next 3 this one makes too much sense

[O.city]

Yeah just give up your first and do it if you have to

[KChiefs1]

He's wrapped up through like 2021 or something.



Do it!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I'm in. CB is too important in this era and there's no guarantee of striking oil in the draft. We need a fucking defense NOW, and do not have a lot of time to build.

[ROYC75]

It's absolutely a better trade than Thomas. The only reason Thomas made more sense at the time was because of the need.

If you're going on the caliber and age of the player, etc. Peterson is by far the better move.

Agree, really helps us long term more than the present.

Damn, let's do it and somehow figure out what to do with the safety help!

[carcosa]

Agree, really helps us long term more than the present.

Damn, let's do it and somehow figure out what to do with the safety help!

Yes!!!!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Windows don't stay open long in the NFL anymore. It's extremely unlikely the Chiefs will find a better player late in the first than Peterson, and having a corner that can shut down one side of the field allows you far more flexibility in coverage.

[Chris Meck]

Windows don't stay open long in the NFL anymore. It's extremely unlikely the Chiefs will find a better player late in the first than Peterson, and having a corner that can shut down one side of the field allows you far more flexibility in coverage.

I disagree about 'windows not staying open.' Our window is literally going to be open for 15 years or so, barring injury to Mahomes. It's not MLB where the small market team has a couple year window.

that being said, Peterson is likely to be a top flight corner for...say three more years after this one. Is that worth a #1? When it's like late 20's to 32, yeah, I think so.

[htismaqe]

Windows don't stay open long in the NFL anymore. It's extremely unlikely the Chiefs will find a better player late in the first than Peterson, and having a corner that can shut down one side of the field allows you far more flexibility in coverage.

This.

All of this talk about thinking "long term" is just silly. You have to do both.

[Coogs]

It's absolutely a better trade than Thomas. The only reason Thomas made more sense at the time was because of the need.

If you're going on the caliber and age of the player, etc. Peterson is by far the better move.

How about a 1st, both 2nds, and our 3rd, for Peterson, their 2nd, their 3rd and their 4th.

Right now in the points, that would equate to a high 2nd for Peterson.

[Chris Meck]

This.

All of this talk about thinking "long term" is just silly. You have to do both.

yeah, but it's not baseball where you sell out to win now and two years from now you're fucked. I mean, it's Mahomes' first year as a starter. Don't empty the cupboard.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I disagree about 'windows not staying open.' Our window is literally going to be open for 15 years or so, barring injury to Mahomes. It's not MLB where the small market team has a couple year window.

that being said, Peterson is likely to be a top flight corner for...say three more years after this one. Is that worth a #1? When it's like late 20's to 32, yeah, I think so.

Seattle, Atlanta, Green Bay, San Francisco, Arizona, Indianapolis, Carolina, the list goes on and on.

When you have a lot of good young talent it quickly becomes too expensive. Combined with the violent nature of the game, and you're constantly dodging critical injuries and the ever-ticking clock of the end of rookie contracts.

All of those teams were contenders for a very short period of time. Now they're all also-rans. All of them except San Fran and Arizona have QBs you can win a SB with (and Rosen might be that guy). It doesn't mean that your team can never win again, but it's going to need retooling every few years because you can't keep cores together.

Where's the LOB now? What happened to Dallas' line? Look at what happened to the team around Rodgers, and the outright disintegration of the 49ers.

In this version of the NFL, you have to take a your shot when it is presented to you. The Rams are a perfect example of that. It's something MLB teams have realized for years. You'd think a message board that focuses on a team that is in the same market as a baseball franchise that successfully went all-in would realize the value of that approach.

[O.city]

Nfl rosters overturn like every 3 years anyway. It’s a fickle beast of being good every year.

Gotta go when you can

[BossChief]

I guess it depends on what these teams want for these guys.

I’d part with premium compensation for Peterson and that’s a good trade for both sides.

[Chris Meck]

Seattle, Atlanta, Green Bay, San Francisco, Arizona, Indianapolis, Carolina, the list goes on and on.

When you have a lot of good young talent it quickly becomes too expensive. Combined with the violent nature of the game, and you're constantly dodging critical injuries and the ever-ticking clock of the end of rookie contracts.

All of those teams were contenders for a very short period of time. Now they're all also-rans. All of them except San Fran and Arizona have QBs you can win a SB with (and Rosen might be that guy). It doesn't mean that your team can never win again, but it's going to need retooling every few years because you can't keep cores together.

Where's the LOB now? What happened to Dallas' line? Look at what happened to the team around Rodgers, and the outright disintegration of the 49ers.

In this version of the NFL, you have to take a your shot when it is presented to you. The Rams are a perfect example of that. It's something MLB teams have realized for years. You'd think a message board that focuses on a team that is in the same market as a baseball franchise that successfully went all-in would realize the value of that approach.

Or, you could be the Patriots or Steelers and just run your franchise well and be a contender every damned year for a decade and a half. Green Bay should've been, they just have done a shit job of drafting. We have our Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Big Ben. We have a 23 year old elite QB. I'm not saying Veach shouldn't be on the horn and trying to improve the roster; I'm not even saying I wouldn't give up a #1 for PP-I would, because he'd be elite to excellent for at least 3 seasons. I'm just saying I don't think it'd be wise to sell out when next year's version of Mahomes will be even better. This isn't lightning in a bottle.
The flashes in the pan all have less than elite QB's. If we sold out to win this season, we'd probably look a lot like Seattle in a couple of years. Fuck that.

[Chris Meck]

we're actually almost certainly not actually disagreeing on much.

[MahiMike]

Grab a premium FA while you can. 1 more draft and we own this league.

[O.city]

A premium shut down corner on a contract for 2 more years plus this one.

That’s worth it

[htismaqe]

yeah, but it's not baseball where you sell out to win now and two years from now you're fucked. I mean, it's Mahomes' first year as a starter. Don't empty the cupboard.

He's playing better than anybody expected AND he's playing better than pretty much every other QB in the NFL.

You don't waste that just because you think you've got 15 years of Mahomes. Crazy things happen in the NFL. Too many teams thought the way you do and have nothing to show for it.

[SAUTO]

If it's available, you have to do it

[htismaqe]

If we sold out to win this season, we'd probably look a lot like Seattle in a couple of years. Fuck that.

I'd take a Super Bowl victory right now and never look back.

[O.city]

Seattle stopped drafting well and the did got old

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Or, you could be the Patriots or Steelers and just run your franchise well and be a contender every damned year for a decade and a half. Green Bay should've been, they just have done a shit job of drafting. We have our Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Big Ben. We have a 23 year old elite QB. I'm not saying Veach shouldn't be on the horn and trying to improve the roster; I'm not even saying I wouldn't give up a #1 for PP-I would, because he'd be elite to excellent for at least 3 seasons. I'm just saying I don't think it'd be wise to sell out when next year's version of Mahomes will be even better. This isn't lightning in a bottle.
The flashes in the pan all have less than elite QB's. If we sold out to win this season, we'd probably look a lot like Seattle in a couple of years. Fuck that.

You have to consider what expected return on investment is. This isn't a rebuilding team. The Chiefs are built, and now they need to plug the leaks. If Peterson only costs a first, that's a great deal, because he's likely to be an excellent player for another three years, and the Chiefs have two seconds that they can use.

You're right that you always need to draft well, but you also need to recognize the odds of the pick working out. When you're team isn't going anywhere, tanking is worth it because it increases your odds of getting premium talent. When your team is contending for a title, improvements in the margins can end up making the difference between a Super Bowl and another divisional round exit. Picks are worth different amounts to teams in different spots. For teams that are rebuilding, they're long-term assets. For teams in the hunt, they can be either.

Right now, the Chiefs play in a weak conference whose kingpin is aging. Even if the NFC is superior, they only have to play one of them. This is about as open as a Super Bowl window gets, and even elite units have short lifespans (LOB, Greatest Show on Turf, DV's Rams, Moss-Carter Vikings, et al).

[mcaj22]

Patrick Peterson or wasting another 2nd round pick on a Speaks or Kpass type player? This is a no brainer.

[Titty Meat]

https://youtu.be/49_bpYfONpU

[carcosa]

MAKE THE TRADE VEACH

[Coach]

I'm not sure Peterson will be the answer to the defensive issues. The major issues are the safety and ILB play.

[NJChiefsFan]

I'm not sure Peterson will be the answer to the defensive issues. The major issues are the safety and ILB play.

Fuller and Nelson have both been roasted for a TD and a pass interference that was made to prevent an easy TD. We aren't above corner help.

[Simplicity]

Fuller and Nelson have both been roasted for a TD and a pass interference that was made to prevent an easy TD. We aren't above corner help.

Exactly... Have no idea why people have the belief that we don't need help at corner... This defense is broken everywhere.

[arrowheadnation]

I'm not sure Peterson will be the answer to the defensive issues. The major issues are the safety and ILB play.

I would agree, but as I was reading this, I was watching Steven Nelson with his back turned to the QB, interfere with another WR, and then get up and make some dumbass gesture. Patrick Peterson should be on a plane to KC before this game gets over.

[New World Order]

Forget trading for Peterson, can we trade for the entire Arizona d?

[carcosa]

I would agree, but as I was reading this, I was watching Steven Nelson with his back turned to the QB, interfere with another WR, and then get up and make some dumbass gesture. Patrick Peterson should be on a plane to KC before this game gets over.

Yes

[mnchiefsguy]

Peterson locks down one side of the field...that is huge for a defense as shitty as ours.

Make the deal...hell, throw in a 2nd and get one their safeties as well.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Peterson locks down one side of the field...that is huge for a defense as shitty as ours.

Make the deal...hell, throw in a 2nd and get one their safeties as well.

Exactly. There's still some nasty on that Arizona D.

[carcosa]

Literally what is taking so long

[SAUTO]

We've gotta do something

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Sucks that we are stuck with Veach. Going to be like the Aaron Rodgers post-SB era in GB

[arrowheadnation]

This had to have been enough to tell him that something has to be done. There is no way we can go forward with the status quo.

[carcosa]

I swear to fucking god if Veach doesn't make this trade

[NJChiefsFan]

This had to have been enough to tell him that something has to be done. There is no way we can go forward with the status quo.

It would be nice if that was the silver-lining from this game.

[carcosa]

This had to have been enough to tell him that something has to be done. There is no way we can go forward with the status quo.

Give them a fucking first rounder I don't care

[-King-]

I wouldn't even negotiate at this point. Just give them whatever they ask.
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[TambaBerry]

Get Reddick and Peterson