Chiefs' Sutton looking for defense to elevate its game

[petegz28]

Kansas City Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton was asked about the play of Anthony Hitchens and Reggie Ragland on Thursday October 18, 2018, and instead of singling out the two players, said that everyone has to elevate their game.


https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article220259160.html

In other news, water is wet.....

[notorious]

Ground breaking stuff.

[Sassy Squatch]

Nah, they've been doing fine.

[Hammock Parties]

play good football

[Reerun_KC]

Welcome to 6 years ago.

[tk13]

Eliminate bad football.

[Sofa King]

It’s a process

[ROYC75]

And there is Step # 1 to your changing defense, The DC is calling them all out!

[The Franchise]

Kansas City Chiefs defense: Shoot for average.

[OKchiefs]

How about that piece of shit elevate his game.

[srvy]

They need to have an affair of the heart out there. Marty wherever you are out there I just hope you have forgotten the once proud KC defenses you fielded because this bunch would break your heart.

[In58men]

It’s a process

[Coach]

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[In58men]

It’s a process

Fuck you

[MVChiefFan]

The rest of his quote was “because I don’t know what hell I’m doing”.

[notorious]

The rest of his quote was “because I don’t know what hell I’m doing”.

"Where are my teeth?"

[Iowanian]

Sutton should elevate his game by jumping on the grenade and retiring tonight.

[Spott]

Maybe they should hire a new tackling coach.

[Beef Supreme]

Thread title is 4 words too long

[Sofa King]

**** you

Don’t tell me who to fuck. I’ll make up my own mind.

[Simply Red]

let them play THEIR game and stop telling them to play 9 god damned yards off the line - they're NOT as bad as they've shown - he's coaching them like a retard. they're attackers not reactors.

[Reerun_KC]

The irony of everyone whining about Sutton is priceless.

He should of been replaced 4-5 years ago when everyone was blowing his hose....

[TribalElder]

bob sutton has brought great shame to our people

the only answer is seppuku

[ROYC75]

Maybe they should hire a new tackling coach.

We don't have one of those, can't you tell by looking,He quit during TC when he saw how bad these kids were. :D

[ILChief]

What a clueless stooge. Retire. The have has passed you by.

[BIG K]

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article220259160.html

In other news, water is wet.....

DT, Big Dan Sal, James Hasty, Dale Carter, Tracy Simeon/Donnie Edwards could not elevate their game enough to disguise Sutton’s suckfest. Every time they show Sutton’s face after huge plays, he looks like a corpse. I have to think he is incompetent or dead. It’s like “Weekend at Bernie’s” where the Chiefs hold up his rotting, stinking body hoping no one notices he’s already dead. Someone at the next Chiefs home game needs to **** his purple, blood pooling carcass on live tv so the Chiefs have to give him a proper burial.

[TambaBerry]

Hitchens is only in year 1 of 3 before he learns the system. You can't be mad at him

[stevieray]

...good.

He's right.

If they can play anywhere near the way they did against Jax...

[Flying High D]

^ Need to play against Blake every week. Good call.

[Randallflagg]

Sutton should elevate his game by jumping on the grenade and retiring tonight.

Yeah right.....he’d miss the grenade and it would kill a little old lady..... ROFL

[Flying High D]

Get all elevated up.

[ping2000]

Gunther would just yell louder. That didn't work either.

[OKchiefs]

I feel like Bob Sutton is oblivious to the fact that he's a useless piece of shit.

[RINGLEADER]

play good football

First thing that came to my mind.

Chiefs get stops when the QB overthrows wide open receivers.

[RINGLEADER]

Gunther would just yell louder. That didn't work either.

RUN THE FOOTBALL AND PLAY DEFENSE!

[Megbert]

"what time is the "Early Bird Special" at Old Country Buffet? You have to get there early, before the mashed pertaters get that hard crust on em" "Plus the fried shrimp is the first thing to go, if you don't get there for the first wave, you're waiting for a good long while for the next batch."

These are the thoughts I picture Sutton having on the sideline.


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[old_geezer]

Headline should be "Chief's defense looking for Sutton to elevate his game".

[Coochie liquor]

Chiefs defense looking for Sutton to elevate his game!

[Coochie liquor]

Headline should be "Chief's defense looking for Sutton to elevate his game".

Damn, just beat me

[KC_Lee]

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[wazu]

Hitchens is only in year 1 of 3 before he learns the system. You can't be mad at him

All players look shitty during their first two years with Sutton. Patience, it will turn around.

[Simply Red]

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LMAO

[siberian khatru]

Do Your Job

[carcosa]

I think the defense has graded out perfectly

[COchief]

"Chiefs fans looking for Buttons to elevate his game."

Whether you value Peter King's FB opinion or not, he essentially eviscerated Buttons in his (widely popular) MMQB column this week by dissecting the moronic defense Gramps called that allowed Brady to waltz his old ass into the endzone. He does it sort of on the sly but you can tell he is absolutely flabbergasted at how stupid the D call was:

"Third-and-goal from the Chiefs’ 4-yard line, 5:32 left in the game, Chiefs up 33-30. After watching the replay six or eight times, this sticks out: Kansas City rushes three and drops eight into coverage. Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton did something I’ve never seen before—assuming I saw what I think I saw.

• Julian Edelman, double-covered, bracketed by Steven Nelson and Jordan Lucas.

• Rob Gronkowski, double-covered by safeties Josh Shaw and Ron Parker.

• James White, double-covered by linebackers Anthony Hitchens and Dee Ford.

• Two other receivers, Josh Gordon and Chris Hogan, singled.

I don’t recall ever seeing a defense double three men on one play, but Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton—who gets a ton of respect from the Patriots—doesn’t play by everyone else’s rules.

So Kansas City rushed three: linemen Chris Jones and Allen Bailey, and linebacker Breeland Speaks. Though Speaks almost sacked Brady, and I’ll never figure out why he didn’t follow through on what could have been a drive-stopping sack, Brady got free. (Editor’s note: Speaks had a new rule on his mind.) On the replay, you see these eight cover guys myopically taking their men out of the play. But they weren’t looking at Brady. He had to be looking over the field and thinking, This is the damndest thing I’ve ever seen: three of my guys doubled! But the upshot of that was a big patch of green between Brady around the five and the end zone, and … “I’ve got to watch it tomorrow,” Brady said around midnight, “but I got close to the goal line and figured I’d try to get in. We needed it.”

Who does this? Who devotes six men to three of the opposition? Sutton did, and it almost worked. But Brady, who has a ton of one-yard sneaks for scores, rarely runs near the goal line from any length like this one. He dove (Gisele had to be covering her eyes) and made it.

Semi-lunacy there"

Link with a lot of other Chiefs stuff in it too:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/15/patriots-chiefs-tom-brady-nfl-fmia-week-6-peter-king/

[wazu]

Renowned professional writer doesn’t notice that Speaks sack wouldn’t have mattered due to the penalty.

[Eleazar]

It's just coachspeak. They could be planning to gut the defense in the offseason because they know almost everyone is terrible, but he's never going to say that. Coaches are always just going to make non-statements like "need to elevate our game" "I need to do a better job" "happy with our guys" "we'll get it fixed" "we're on to Cincinnati" and other such BS. People read too much into these comments.

[Lightrise]

Given this a lot of thought the past two years. I think Sutton is attempting to run an obsolete defense at its core. It has Ryan roots. I think its obsolete because offensive players and strategies have changed, in addition to rules. The players are too fast for this scheme now, and its too hard to find defensive players that can force this thing to work. Sub-packaging isn't enough. I never like to blame failure on scheme alone, BUT, we all remember the Greg Robinson days. The fact was that Robinson's defenses over the years were either really great or incredibly bad, there was no middle ground. Vermeil's stubbornness cost us a Super Bowl in my view by hanging with Greg a year too long. I think Sutton has found himself in a similar situation. That said, the tape reveals 3 noticeable things...Hitchens and Ragland are just not cutting it in this scheme. Parker is too slow, and we aren't getting what we COULD get from Jones.

Beyond that...I don't think Houston is worth the money at that position - he just misses too much time. Berry isn't worth the trouble either at this point, money too, although if he played he disguises a lot of problems. I've been a bit disappointed in Fuller (missed tackles). I'd rather see Speaks take Bailey's spot next year and see how it goes. Not sure he can, and not confident he'll lose weight either. I expect Nelson to be gone next year. So obviously more change is coming. The biggest mystery is where is Dorian ODaniel and exactly why isn't he on the field. My best guess...they are prepping him for late in the season so nobody has any tape on what they are going to do. It could be magic in a bottle that takes a good deal of practice to set up. If that's the case, I love it as long as we keep winning as they get him ready. I just don't believe his ability is what is keeping him on the bench.

[oldman]

Kansas City Chiefs defense: Shoot for average.

I'd take that about now.

[Rain Man]

Chiefsplanet's Rain Man looking for defense to elevate its game

[Shaid]

When you have an offense like ours, you just need the defense to not give up cheap easy TDs and most importantly, create turnovers. It puts tremendous pressure on the other offense to keep up or catch up and of course that leads to, more turnovers. Go for strips, go for picks, etc. Basically, I'd probably play zone and have them jump the ball often. I don't know what else you do with this group besides that.

[Eleazar]

When you have an offense like ours, you just need the defense to not give up cheap easy TDs and most importantly, create turnovers. It puts tremendous pressure on the other offense to keep up or catch up and of course that leads to, more turnovers. Go for strips, go for picks, etc. Basically, I'd probably play zone and have them jump the ball often. I don't know what else you do with this group besides that.

Pretty much what Sutton is doing. Play umbrella coverage most of the time and try to slow the other team down as much as possible. Make them run 10 or 12 or more plays to score, increasing the chance the QB will overthrow someone on third down or the offense will make an unforced error. If we give up a big play and they score, well, that'd have happened anyway if he were playing an aggressive scheme.

[The Franchise]

Bucs have the worst defense in the league? Fire their DC.
Cardinals have the worst offense in the league? Fire their OC.
Chiefs defense sucks? But hey....we're 5-1!!!

[rabblerouser]

They need to have an affair of the heart out there. Marty wherever you are out there I just hope you have forgotten the once proud KC defenses you fielded because this bunch would break your heart.

Don't worry, he has...

[oldman]

The problems with making the opposing O use 10-12 plays to score are twofold. First, it makes your D stay on the field too long and secondly, keeps your O off the field. Instead of playing it that way, why don't we just force some 3-and-outs.

[RunKC]

Bucs have the worst defense in the league? Fire their DC.
Cardinals have the worst offense in the league? Fire their OC.
Chiefs defense sucks? But hey....we're 5-1!!!

And make who the DC?

Andy’s kid?
That mongoloid ILB’s coach?
90 year old Emmit Thomas?
Al Harris?

The scheme isn’t ****ing changing. They don’t have time to implement a ton of new shit in season.

Whether Sutton leaves or not, it’s rhe same goddamn defense the rest of the season.

[The Franchise]

And make who the DC?

Andy’s kid?
That mongoloid ILB’s coach?
90 year old Emmit Thomas?
Al Harris?

The scheme isn’t ****ing changing. They don’t have time to implement a ton of new shit in season.

Whether Sutton leaves or not, it’s rhe same goddamn defense the rest of the season.

I give literally zero fucks. It's about sending a message that this shit isn't acceptable.

[ptlyon]

If I were to see Sutton on the street I would elevate the level of his balls two feet by the swift kick he would get

[Shaid]

The problems with making the opposing O use 10-12 plays to score are twofold. First, it makes your D stay on the field too long and secondly, keeps your O off the field. Instead of playing it that way, why don't we just force some 3-and-outs.

Absolutely force 3 and outs if you can, we just seem to not have that ability. A combination of staff and scheme. Basically we need to hope the other team screws up.

[Abba-Dabba]

Bob Sutton is a living Luther Van Dam.

[Fat Elvis]

The solution to our defensive woes....

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[ChiefBlueCFC]

Can't wait until I'm pulling my hair out for a good portion of the game when we are on defense. Hopefully Ford, Kpass & Speaks are able to create some pressure and get Dalton on his backside

Also, fire Bob Sutton

[FAX]

Hey .... they used leather helmets back in 1940. Lots of guys didn't even wear thigh pads or rubber mouth-things. That was real football back then ... real football played by real men with real mental health issues.

Let's remember that everything is cyclical. It could well be that we're seeing the wheel of time turning back on itself and ushering in an emerging new age of bad-ass. Imagine how tired offenses are going to get after a bunch of 14-play drives against us. Plus, they're going to run out of plays eventually. What will they do then?

FAX THE OPTIMISTIC

[Sorce]

Is Greg Robinson available? Might be an improvement.

[mcaj22]

this is like tripling down on "it's the players not the scheme." After that playoff loss it was the players not the scheme. They go out and overhaul most of the defense with younger, faster and it's even worse. So what do they do? Blame all those players too. Makes sense.

[rabblerouser]

Bucs have the worst defense in the league? Fire their DC.
Cardinals have the worst offense in the league? Fire their OC.
Chiefs defense sucks? But hey....we're 5-1!!!

Winning cures __________.

[TEX]

this is like tripling down on "it's the players not the scheme." After that playoff loss it was the players not the scheme. They go out and overhaul most of the defense with younger, faster and it's even worse. So what do they do? Blame all those players too. Makes sense.

Well said.

[Chief Roundup]

Well maybe Ragland can improve if he hasn't been practicing so far all year.

[saphojunkie]

Clark has to step in and tell Andy Sutton isn't welcome back. He is loyal to a fault.

[Eleazar]

Is Greg Robinson available? Might be an improvement.

His players would be an improvement

[ptlyon]

Winning cures __________.

Cancer?

[ptlyon]

I say we start taking a digit from Sutton every loss

[The Franchise]

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[carcosa]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Current bottom 10 teams in snap count contributions from their 2018 rookie classes:<br>23. Vikings<br>24. Ravens<br>25. Jaguars<br>26. Titans<br>27. Saints<br>28. Chiefs<br>29. Redskins<br>30. Eagles<br>31. Patriots<br>32. Rams<a href="https://t.co/53f3pJ6FzD">https://t.co/53f3pJ6FzD</a></p>&mdash; Nick Korte (@nickkorte) <a href="https://twitter.com/nickkorte/status/1053343213161873408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Don't trade for Patrick Peterson!!!!! We need DA PIX!!!! ! ! ! ! 1 ! 1 ! !

[ILChief]

When does mahomes get the pull within the organization to get Sutton canned. You know Brady or Manning would be going to ownership

[carcosa]

When does mahomes get the pull within the organization to get Sutton canned. You know Brady or Manning would be going to ownership

I think he may already have the pull, but he's too nice and respectful, imho

[ptlyon]

I think he may already have the pull, but he's too nice and respectful, imho

You'll know when he turns to the sideline and burns one into his balls just like The Longest Yard he's fed up

[ModSocks]

After watching the Chiefs on Sunday night, and being the optimist that i am, i realized something....

Our Defense is so bad that getting even one defensive stop is exciting again!

[carcosa]

After watching the Chiefs on Sunday night, and being the optimist that i am, i realized something....

Our Defense is so bad that getting even one defensive stop is exciting again!

Stopping the Patriots on the first drive was exhilarating!!!! Just wish they could have done it at least one more time :(

[TinyEvel]

LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR, MOTHERFUCKER!

[Rain Man]

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In fairness, we didn't have a first-round pick. That needs to be factored in.

[Chris Meck]

the only hope for this defense is that the rookies get some playing time and learn on the job.

[Chief Rainbow]

I have a good feeling about the defense this week. It only seems right that the defense stiffens up against a decent offense in prime time. After the defenses performance Sunday night the world will be on notice that it is our time. Our year.

[redfan]

But hey man third down we is money

[RunKC]

Not sure. I mean at this point I trust Jovan Belcher or Bob Sutton himself to make an open field tackle over any of our ILB’s.

[The Franchise]

Not sure. I mean at this point I trust Jovan Belcher or Bob Sutton himself to make an open field tackle over any of our ILB’s.

Well Hitchens is hurt and didn't fully practice. Maybe he doesn't play.

[htismaqe]

Well Hitchens is hurt and didn't fully practice. Maybe he doesn't play.

I'd do everything I could to stay off the field too.

[-King-]

I give literally zero fucks. It's about sending a message that this shit isn't acceptable.

Sending a message to who?
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[The Franchise]

Sending a message to who?
Posted via Mobile Device

Everyone and anyone?

[TimeForWasp]

When does mahomes get the pull within the organization to get Sutton canned. You know Brady or Manning would be going to ownership

Any time Mahomes is forced to throw the ball away because nobody is open, he should throw it at Sutton.

[HemiEd]

Gunther would just yell louder. That didn't work either.

How about having Sutton go up in the elevated box and call the defense from up there instead of on the field, that should work!

[FloridaMan88]

The 32nd ranked offense fired their OC today.

Your move, 32nd ranked defense and your shithead DC...

[HemiEd]

The problems with making the opposing O use 10-12 plays to score are twofold. First, it makes your D stay on the field too long and secondly, keeps your O off the field. Instead of playing it that way, why don't we just force some 3-and-outs.

Damn, that is a hell of an idea, I sure hope Sutton reads CP.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I've seen all I need to see from Sutton. FIRE THAT MOTHERFUCKER! Hell, bring in DJ and let him run it.

[ILChief]

Crap, he's only 67. I thought he was like 80. He's going to be in KC forever

[NJChiefsFan]

You know, now that Bob mentions it, this defense really could step up their game. There was something missing from this defense that I couldn't put my finger on, but that's it.

[NJChiefsFan]

After watching the Chiefs on Sunday night, and being the optimist that i am, i realized something....

Our Defense is so bad that getting even one defensive stop is exciting again!

2003. A stop is nearly more epic than a TD.

[htismaqe]

Crap, he's only 67. I thought he was like 80. He's going to be in KC forever

Seriously? I thought he was older than that...

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

DO WE NEED TO FLY A BANNER!!!!

FIRE THAT MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!

[Rasputin]

play good football

Eliminate bad football

[Rasputin]

I've seen all I need to see from Sutton. FIRE THAT MOTHERFUCKER! Hell, bring in DJ and let him run it.

Even if DJ doesn't contribute he put in his time he deserves a quarterback to take him to the promise land and just curtail Patrick Mahomes II.

I'm fine with that but we still need to bolster this defense.


if only EB would miraculously heel i mean HEAL his heel.

[New World Order]

You know, now that Bob mentions it, this defense really could step up their game. There was something missing from this defense that I couldn't put my finger on, but that's it.

That's what will be on the board for Sunday night:

"Step up your game"

[rabblerouser]

How about having Sutton go up in the elevated box and call the defense from up there instead of on the field, that should work!

Will that make the defense cover better, and actually tackle?

If so, let's do it!

[redfan]

Let's put Sutton in charge of picking up candy wrappers in the stairwells.

[Chief Rainbow]

I think everyone is being a little hard on Sutton. I mean, I know he’s old and not very attractive but he has been dealing with a lot of injuries. Hard to play cards with a deck stacked against you.

But again, I really do believe this is the week the defense mounts up and pounds the bengals butts. I just feel it deep inside me. The league will be put on notice. Book it.

[dlphg9]

Bob Sutton gets alot of shit, but honestly the D has been pretty good at not letting other teams score (this year being the exception).

2012(the year prior to Sutton)- 25th in ppg allowed
2013(Sutton's first year) - 7th
2014 - 2
2015 - 1
2016 - 6
2017 - 15

Ppg is really the only stat that matters. This year he's had injury after injury. People put too much worth into coordinators. No fucking coach is going to make this no talent D good. We just always have to have a scape goat.

[NJChiefsFan]

That's what will be on the board for Sunday night:

"Step up your game"

I would think that's enough to fix it.

[D750]

They have a huge amount of money invested in two players that are either under performing or always injured. I love Berry but he's going to miss half of his career. Good or not if he's always going to be on the sidelines he's not helping the team. Just trying up salary cap they could use on a player maybe not as good but good enough and reliable.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Missing those Alex 19 minute FG drives is hurting ole Werthers. Arena ball scoring too fast.

[PutQuinnIn]

"if a guy needs the sizzle, he's not for us"

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Bob Sutton gets alot of shit, but honestly the D has been pretty good at not letting other teams score (this year being the exception).

2012(the year prior to Sutton)- 25th in ppg allowed
2013(Sutton's first year) - 7th
2014 - 2
2015 - 1
2016 - 6
2017 - 15

Ppg is really the only stat that matters. This year he's had injury after injury. People put too much worth into coordinators. No ****ing coach is going to make this no talent D good. We just always have to have a scape goat.

Currently 26th for 2018 so he's gotten worse every year for the last 4 years .Fuck bob sutton and his strategy of playing Dee Ford and Justin Houston as cornerbacks. He's a fucking old senile piece of shit. He should go coach for Gruden and finish that franchise off. I'd fire his ass now to give us a head start for next season. and WTF are they doing to get Berry ready ,just waiting to see if the bone spur suddenly goes away. They should have got that shit done 6 weeks ago.

If we had ANY semblance of a defense we'd be SB contenders this year but it ain't gonna happen. This year we'll be 12-4 and lose in the playoffs to the steelers because they'll have Bell back and we'll still have Sutton and Justin Houston playing corner.

[carcosa]

I hope Bob Sutton drowns in his own piss!!!

[Beef Supreme]

They need to start rolling the dice a little every now and then with some aggressive schemes. If it looks like the other team is having their way with our defense and they are going to score anyway, take some chances and try to make something happen. If they score, well, they were going to do that anyway, at least we get the ball back and keep them from eating all the clock.

[rabblerouser]

They need to start rolling the dice a little every now and then with some aggressive schemes. If it looks like the other team is having their way with our defense and they are going to score anyway, take some chances and try to make something happen. If they score, well, they were going to do that anyway, at least we get the ball back and keep them from eating all the clock.

Beef...love ya dude...but do you watch the ****ing games!?

They get burned when they get aggressive.

Sutton went AFTER Brady...he sent several blitzes + mixed coverages...he sent zone blitzes, fire blitzes, house blitzes, zero blitzes, DB blitzes, LB blitzes..he played cover 1, cover 2, cover 3, and quarters coverages...he rushed 3, he rushed 4, he rushed 5, he rushed 6... he dropped 2 high safeties, he dropped 1 high safety...he played soft zone, he played man zone...

Sutton was literally trying to find something these guys can do.

The guys don't tackle, they don't cover, and they don't make the plays...that being said, it really seems like this defense is better at coverage than it is at being aggressive or blitzing. They get burned hard when they blitz. No guarantee the blitzer will make the tackle even if they get there (see : Murray vs Rapenbooger and Speaks vs the New England Pederast last week.)

[Beef Supreme]

Beef...love ya dude...but do you watch the ****ing games!?

They get burned when they get aggressive.

Sutton went AFTER Brady...he sent several blitzes + mixed coverages...he sent zone blitzes, fire blitzes, house blitzes, zero blitzes, DB blitzes, LB blitzes..he played cover 1, cover 2, cover 3, and quarters coverages...he rushed 3, he rushed 4, he rushed 5, he rushed 6... he dropped 2 high safeties, he dropped 1 high safety...he played soft zone, he played man zone...

Sutton was literally trying to find something these guys can do.

The guys don't tackle, they don't cover, and they don't make the plays...that being said, it really seems like this defense is better at coverage than it is at being aggressive or blitzing. They get burned hard when they blitz. No guarantee the blitzer will make the tackle even if they get there (see : Murray vs Rapenbooger and Speaks vs the New England Pederast last week.)

They get gashed when they don't blitz too. Ragland's best play of the night was on a run blitz. They suck. They get burned. Might as well rip off the bandaid and get the goddamn ball back instead of an excruciating 8 minute drive that keeps our offense on the sideline. Hope they can make a couple of plays that turn the momentum a couple of times.

Score as much and as often as we can and trust that our offense can do that better than the other team can. They will make a mistake. They will bog down on a drive here and there. Keep the foot on the gas and dare them to keep up. Keep the defense fresher because they get the fuck off the field so they have the energy to make some plays. If nothing else get the damn linebackers playing downhill, because they suck out loud doing the shit they are doing now.

[Katie]

So, you're the defense coordinator. What do you do to give this defense a chance?

[suzzer99]

Tell them to just fly around in random directions and confuse the offense. Can't be any worse.

[Naptown Chief]

They should shock the world and practice, and hopefully someday master, the long forgotten and ancient art of tackling. This alone will confuse the fuck out of the opposition, sending them into disarray.

[Imon Yourside]

So, you're the defense coordinator. What do you do to give this defense a chance?

play a 4-4-8 until we get about 5 penalties. Hey it's guaranteed to slow them down.

[rabblerouser]

So, you're the defense coordinator. What do you do to give this defense a chance?

Plead with Reid and Veach to get players who can cover and tackle before the trade deadline.

[Yosef_Malkovitch]

So, you're the defense coordinator. What do you do to give this defense a chance?

I don't know about improving the defense, but to give the team a better chance at winning?

Give the defense fewer chances to screw up... If I'm Andy Reid, I strongly consider going for it on 4th down when two factors are present: (1) the ball is anywhere past the 50-yard line (on the opponent's side of the field); and (2) the distance to convert is 4 yards or less.

Given the chances of the opponent scoring when they get the ball versus the chances of a KC conversion on 4th down, I start going for it a lot more often.

[GloryDayz]

let them play THEIR game and stop telling them to play 9 god damned yards off the line - they're NOT as bad as they've shown - he's coaching them like a retard. they're attackers not reactors.All of this. Let them hunt and kill with a vengeance. Let them release their inner gladiator.

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[GloryDayz]

They (the players), can start the process by not listening to Sutton.

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[rabblerouser]

When does mahomes get the pull within the organization to get Sutton canned. You know Brady or Manning would be going to ownership

ROFL I can't believe people not only think this shit...but then type it and hit "POST".

Mahomes would never do that - that's the type of shit that team cancers like Jeff George do to divide a locker room. You ever hear Tony Gonzalez talk about the Vermeil teams having all-out brawls between offense and defense?

No wonder they couldnt win a single playoff game...

FFS, Mahomes is also close enough to the situation to realize that Sutton isn't the problem; the players are...

[rabblerouser]

They (the players), can start the process by not listening to Sutton.



ROFL

That will work out GREAT!

https://i.imgur.com/9MaLB1Y.jpg

[Pablo]

You have Clark threaten to murder one of their family members at random. Anybody on the defensive side is fair game. And really sell it. Tell them how much he's already got down on the hit. Nobody knows whether it's gonna be their mom, or their kid, or their dog....

[farmerchief]

ROFL

FFS, Mahomes is also close enough to the situation to realize that Sutton isn't the problem; the players are... Sutton needs also "elevate" his "game"! Im thinking he needs to spend an afternoon on Madden to practice, and see what new innovative defensive schemes have developed! :(:hmmm::drool:

[Rausch]

FFS, Mahomes is also close enough to the situation to realize that Sutton isn't the problem; the players are...

When you threaten all time marks it's both.

This is GROB all over again.

It takes a perfect pairing of lack of talent and lack of awareness on the DC's part on how to use what little you have to manage this level of suck...

[rabblerouser]

When you threaten all time marks it's both.

This is GROB all over again.

It takes a perfect pairing of lack of talent and lack of awareness on the DC's part on how to use what little you have to manage this level of suck...

I remember when GCUN replaced GROB...everyone thought that changing coordinators would solve the issue.

The defense actually got worse...because lack of talent.

No matter what scheme is implemented and what blitzes or coverages are called, these players aren't going to become sure tacklers or improve their coverage.

I don't why people don't understand that...

[rabblerouser]

Sutton needs also "elevate" his "game"! Im thinking he needs to spend an afternoon on Madden to practice, and see what new innovative defensive schemes have developed! :(:hmmm::drool:
JFC I hope you're being sarcasm and stuff. Otherwise, someone will call you a fucking dumbass!

ROFL

[rabblerouser]

You have Clark threaten to murder one of their family members at random. Anybody on the defensive side is fair game. And really sell it. Tell them how much he's already got down on the hit. Nobody knows whether it's gonna be their mom, or their kid, or their dog....
Obvious answer is obvious.

[gblowfish]

When you threaten all time marks it's both.

This is GROB all over again.

It takes a perfect pairing of lack of talent and lack of awareness on the DC's part on how to use what little you have to manage this level of suck...Billboard...

[htismaqe]

They (the players), can start the process by not listening to Sutton.

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They don't listen to him now. That's part of the problem.

[GloryDayz]

They don't listen to him now. That's part of the problem.

I'm pretty sure those LBs aren't dropping into pass coverage on their own volition.

[htismaqe]

I'm pretty sure those LBs aren't dropping into pass coverage on their own volition.

I'm pretty sure they're watching RB's and TE's run right past them because they're not actually dropping into coverage.

Firing Sutton isn't a cure all.

Rabble already brought it up but this team can't afford to have another "2004" moment. The 2004 offense was arguably BETTER than the 2003 offense and the team didn't even make the playoffs because they put all the blame on GRob, hired Gunther, and the defense got WORSE.

This team absolutely must recognize that a defense this bad is the result of BOTH coaching AND a lack of talent.

[gblowfish]

This thread makes Dick Vermeil cry...

[farmerchief]

Firing Sutton isn't a cure all.


This team absolutely must recognize that a defense this bad is the result of BOTH coaching AND a lack of talent.

True, true, I agree. But, you've got to start somewhere, and it's virtually impossible to fire all your defensive players, during the season!

[Mr. Wizard]

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article220259160.html

In other news, water is wet.....

Mr. Wizard who is my childhood friend and happens to be a pillow the shape of the stay puff marsh-mellow man just asked me a question which I found to be almost FAX profound.
He said " if you are dead last don't you only have the ability to elevate?" It's a good question I think. After all "dead laster" is not a word. Lastest? Lastestest?
ohh........... more last! They probably could possibly get MORE LAST !

thx for listening

[farmerchief]

JFC I hope you're being sarcasm and stuff. Otherwise, someone will call you a ****ing dumbass!

ROFL
Compliment accepted!:D

[rabblerouser]

I'm pretty sure they're watching RB's and TE's run right past them because they're not actually dropping into coverage.

Firing Sutton isn't a cure all.

Rabble already brought it up but this team can't afford to have another "2004" moment. The 2004 offense was arguably BETTER than the 2003 offense and the team didn't even make the playoffs because they put all the blame on GRob, hired Gunther, and the defense got WORSE.

This team absolutely must recognize that a defense this bad is the result of BOTH coaching AND a lack of talent.

Don't know how anyone thinks any different - we've SEEN this before...

[rabblerouser]

Compliment accepted!:D

;)