Jon Gruden is losing the locker room

[carcosa]

https://deadspin.com/and-now-jon-gruden-is-losing-the-locker-room-1829967182

Alert, alert, this is not a drill: Jon Gruden’s redness is about to reach dangerous levels. Be prepared for sudden shifts in hue, and please do not look directly at him.

This warning comes in the wake of this piece in The Athletic, in which multiple anonymous Raiders express their dismay not only at Gruden’s handling of the roster this season, but at how he’s repeatedly been dishonest about his vision for the team. For example:

“You have to wonder if we haven’t been playing for draft picks all along,” one said. “Despite everything the coaches told us at training camp.”

“The Mack trade was a real stiff jab,” another said. “But the Cooper one was like a knockout punch, especially because we had just walked back in the door from the bye. We didn’t want to believe it was coming, and Coach said we weren’t going to trade him.”

This is remarkable insofar as this type of overt second-guessing rarely happens in the NFL, even anonymously, and usually not in the first season of a head coach’s tenure. It typically takes years of incompetence and sub-.500 records for players to start grousing about the people in charge. It only took Gruden seven weeks to get here! The man is incredible.

There are plenty of other spicy quotes in The Athletic’s piece, including one player admitting that a lot of guys are basically just waiting around for the season to end because they assume they’ll be jettisoned before next year. What a great sendoff the fans in Oakland are getting.

lmao. this is very funny, to me

[Rasputin]

Laugh now but they are loaded with draft picks for their new stadium in Los Vegas



Fuck The Raiders Ever More

[carcosa]

I'm fine with them having a bunch of picks if Gruden is the one making them. Next year he'll take a kicker, a punter, and a fullback in the 1st round

[Naptown Chief]

I didn't know he had them. I'm loving every second of the Gruden era part deux.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Laugh now but they are loaded with draft picks for their new stadium in Los Vegas



**** The Raiders Ever More

Even if they’re decent picks, are they gonna be Mack or Cooper level players?

Doubt it under Gruden’s guidance.

That franchise is doomed.

[Rain Man]

A couple of easy wins at the end of the season will be nice.

[siberian khatru]

Gruden makes Carl Icahn blush

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

The best part is we haven't even played them yet. Just go ahead and chalk up 2 more wins for us. Mahomes might throw 8 tds per game.

[Red Dawg]

He's got enough picks to replace them all. Next year he will be starting over. New QB and all.

[carcosa]

The best part is we haven't even played them yet. Just go ahead and chalk up 2 more wins for us. Mahomes might throw 8 tds per game.

That should be the primary goal for those games. Shatter some TD recordS!!!

[alpha_omega]

Outstanding.

[O.city]

You know, maybe he is, but even if he is, so what? What the hell have any of those guys won? I know situation matters and all and coaching etc, but fuck man, they had 1 winning season in what, the last 20?

It's a complete rebuild. Do it right.

[CoMoChief]

I hope Chucky whiffs on all of these draft picks he's accumulating, gets fired in 5 yrs after none of them work out, Vegas stadium is only 1/2 full...and the Raiders franchise is set back another decade.

God damn that would be funny.

In meantime, Denver continues to look for their QBOTF while their defense remains just a shell of it's former self, and LAC move on from Rivers, setting that team back 5yrs or more.

Chiefs gonna own this division w/ Mahomes an Co. for a long time. Brady and BigBen are long in the tooth as well...Good time to be a Chiefs fan.

[carcosa]

I hope Chucky whiffs on all of these draft picks he's accumulating, gets fired in 5 yrs after none of them work out, Vegas stadium is only 1/2 full...and the Raiders franchise is set back another decade.

God damn that would be funny.

In meantime, Denver continues to look for their QBOTF while their defense remains just a shell of it's former self, and LAC move on from Rivers, setting that team back 5yrs or more.

Chiefs gonna own this division w/ Mahomes an Co. for a long time. Brady and BigBen are long in the tooth as well...Good time to be a Chiefs fan.

Yes!

[O.city]

They have a lot of cap space and with 3 first rounders, I'd try and flip a first for a player already on a contract.

Would you flip a first for ODell and that contract to bring him to Vegas?

[Beef Supreme]

Well, it does seem like a dumpster fire over there, but what else is he gonna do? I mean, they weren't beating the Chiefs anytime soon with the roster they had. Might as well blow it up.

[Naptown Chief]

I hope Chucky whiffs on all of these draft picks he's accumulating, gets fired in 5 yrs after none of them work out, Vegas stadium is only 1/2 full...and the Raiders franchise is set back another decade.

God damn that would be funny.

In meantime, Denver continues to look for their QBOTF while their defense remains just a shell of it's former self, and LAC move on from Rivers, setting that team back 5yrs or more.

Chiefs gonna own this division w/ Mahomes an Co. for a long time. Brady and BigBen are long in the tooth as well...Good time to be a Chiefs fan.

Who needs Viagra with posts like this?

[Naptown Chief]

Yes!

YES!

[Frosty]

Laugh now but they are loaded with draft picks for their new stadium in Los Vegas

I have full faith in Gruden fucking this up somehow. I mean, this is the guy that took Sabby Piscitelli in the 2nd.

[Frazod]

Laugh now but they are loaded with draft picks for their new stadium in Los Vegas



Fuck The Raiders Ever More

The Vegas thing is going to blow up in their faces. Spectacularly. Like these kids don't get in enough trouble in cities where gambling and whores aren't legal.

[carcosa]

YES!

YES!!!!!

[Naptown Chief]

The Vegas thing is going to blow up in their faces. Spectacularly. Like these kids don't get in enough trouble in cities where gambling and whores aren't legal.

ROFL

[Naptown Chief]

The Vegas thing is going to blow up in their faces. Spectacularly. Like these kids don't get in enough trouble in cities where gambling and whores aren't legal.

Sounds like the team for Chad Kelly, who conveniently enough is a free agent

[Naptown Chief]

YEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!YES!!!!!

[BlackOp]

Carr to Giants/Jacksonville for 2 first rounders?

[htismaqe]

Sounds like the team for Chad Kelly, who conveniently enough is a free agent

ROFL

[Sorce]

I hope Chucky whiffs on all of these draft picks he's accumulating, gets fired in 5 yrs after none of them work out, Vegas stadium is only 1/2 full...and the Raiders franchise is set back another decade.

God damn that would be funny.

In meantime, Denver continues to look for their QBOTF while their defense remains just a shell of it's former self, and LAC move on from Rivers, setting that team back 5yrs or more.

Chiefs gonna own this division w/ Mahomes an Co. for a long time. Brady and BigBen are long in the tooth as well...Good time to be a Chiefs fan.

The stadium might still be pretty full. I can see the Raiders having the worst HFA in the league. How many people will schedule a trip to Vegas the week their team is playing the Raiders? I can see it being popular for the opposing teams fans to spend a few days in Vegas and catch the game.

[carcosa]

The stadium might still be pretty full. I can see the Raiders having the worst HFA in the league. How many people will schedule a trip to Vegas the week their team is playing the Raiders? I can see it being popular for the opposing teams fans to spend a few days in Vegas and catch the game.

It's gonna be like the Chargers except even worse cuz it'll be a full sized stadium full of opposing fans lmao

[htismaqe]

The stadium might still be pretty full. I can see the Raiders having the worst HFA in the league. How many people will schedule a trip to Vegas the week their team is playing the Raiders? I can see it being popular for the opposing teams fans to spend a few days in Vegas and catch the game.

Exactly.

[O.city]

Hell yeah.

I can fly out to Vegas on Friday night, gamble and shit Saturday, maybe get comped some free tickets and go watch the Chiefs play on Sunday while live betting real time from my seat.

Sign me all the way up for that.

[Beef Supreme]

losing the locker room should be a euphemism for something dirty.

[wazu]

Does it matter? Go ahead and lose the locker room. Might help them lose games and improve draft position. If there is any way to trade Carr, they should.

[Rasputin]

Hell yeah.

I can fly out to Vegas on Friday night, gamble and shit Saturday, maybe get comped some free tickets and go watch the Chiefs play on Sunday while live betting real time from my seat.

Sign me all the way up for that.

I want to go to Vegas when the Chiefs play Raiders and bet on Red

[jdubya]

It`s going to end up being a 99% roster turnover anyway so he doesnt give a damn. It`s his team. Davis brings him his drinks.

[Baby Lee]

I'm sure he won them all back with that story about first busting a nut to the Notre Dame fight song.

[Chris Meck]

It's sad, really. I mean, it's good for the Chiefs, but I kind of enjoy football more when the Raiders and Chiefs are both good. I hate Denver, but not like I hate The Raiders; but it's less fun when they're so hapless. Oh well, I guess I'll survive. :)
I've always liked Chucky too, but it's clear he's shit the bed.

[Molitoth]

Raiders fans are the worst. Fuck 'em.

[wazu]

It's sad, really. I mean, it's good for the Chiefs, but I kind of enjoy football more when the Raiders and Chiefs are both good. I hate Denver, but not like I hate The Raiders; but it's less fun when they're so hapless. Oh well, I guess I'll survive. :)
I've always liked Chucky too, but it's clear he's shit the bed.

Not me. You think the Patriots are sad that the Dolphins, Bills, and Jets operate in perpetual turmoil, aspiring to mediocrity? Hell no! That’s a huge factor in their dominance. The entire AFC West outside of KC is welcome to suck for the next couple of decades. We’ll represent the division admirably and need no rival.

[Stryker]

Even if they’re decent picks, are they gonna be Mack or Cooper level players?

Doubt it under Gruden’s guidance.

That franchise is doomed.

Amari Cooper I am sure is good riddance for the Raiders and the Cowboys just gave up a fortune for a turd. He hasn't done shit since his second season. Last year he couldn't catch a cold. This year he is 22 for 280 and 1 TD

Mack was down right ridicules to trade.

[carcosa]

Amari Cooper I am sure is good riddance for the Raiders and the Cowboys just gave up a fortune for a turd. He hasn't done shit since his second season. Last year he couldn't catch a cold. This year he is 22 for 280 and 1 TD

Mack was down right ridicules to trade.

I a gree! Down right ridicules!!!

[htismaqe]

Hell yeah.

I can fly out to Vegas on Friday night, gamble and shit Saturday, maybe get comped some free tickets and go watch the Chiefs play on Sunday while live betting real time from my seat.

Sign me all the way up for that.

It's going to be glorious. As we already saw earlier this season, Chiefs fans have no trouble showing up in LA. They're going to do the same in Vegas.

The Chiefs are going to have HFA in 3 of 4 AFC West stadiums for the foreseeable future...

[TwistedChief]

It's sad, really. I mean, it's good for the Chiefs, but I kind of enjoy football more when the Raiders and Chiefs are both good. I hate Denver, but not like I hate The Raiders; but it's less fun when they're so hapless. Oh well, I guess I'll survive. :)
I've always liked Chucky too, but it's clear he's shit the bed.

The opposite of this sentiment.

[BossChief]

I wonder how much Clark Hunt is paying Gruden.

[htismaqe]

I a gree! Down right ridicules!!!

It's Greek. It's pronounced "rih-dih-cue-leez". :D

[O.city]

It's going to be glorious. As we already saw earlier this season, Chiefs fans have no trouble showing up in LA. They're going to do the same in Vegas.

The Chiefs are going to have HFA in 3 of 4 AFC West stadiums for the foreseeable future...

Are the Chargers going to Stan's stadium once it's done? right?

That thing is a monster.

[htismaqe]

Are the Chargers going to Stan's stadium once it's done? right?

That thing is a monster.

It won't prevent it from being 50% or more Chiefs fans.

[Chris Meck]

Not me. You think the Patriots are sad that the Dolphins, Bills, and Jets operate in perpetual turmoil, aspiring to mediocrity? Hell no! That’s a huge factor in their dominance. The entire AFC West outside of KC is welcome to suck for the next couple of decades. We’ll represent the division admirably and need no rival.

Well, certainly in terms of often getting that #1 seed due to beating the crap out of their division, anyway.

It's just that I grew up with those rivalries; and it's not much of a rivalry when they suck. Somehow I think I'll survive.

[JD10367]

Being a Patriots fan, I have no dog in this AFC West hunt. I detest the Raiders. But since 2003--for the past 15 seasons--the Raiders' cumulative record is 81-159, or an average of 5-1/2 wins and 10-1/2 losses. So the Raiders' locker room can go fuck itself.

[redfan]

This is the real reason Carr was sobbing. No locker room chemistry. :D

[ChiliConCarnage]

You know, maybe he is, but even if he is, so what? What the hell have any of those guys won? I know situation matters and all and coaching etc, but **** man, they had 1 winning season in what, the last 20?

It's a complete rebuild. Do it right.

Yeah, it's pretty clear he didn't think this roster was a winner. NFL rosters nearly turn over in 3 or 4 years. I doubt this is a surprise or was even unplanned

[htismaqe]

This is the real reason Carr was sobbing. No locker room chemistry. :D

Carr should talk to Chad Kelly about locker room "chemistry".

[carcosa]

Carr should talk to Chad Kelly about locker room "chemistry".

I've heard that Chad Kelly literally ran a meth lab out of the Broncos locker room

[Dayze]

I'm not worried about them having a ton of Draft picks.
hell, over the last, what, 14 years...I think they've had what, 2 all pro 1st round picks?; Mack, and Cooper. ....whom they just traded away.

Gruden didn't impress anyone with his drafts in TB either.

[Couch-Potato]

Honestly, things are starting to look so bad over there that it's beginning to look genius. If Bortles plays poorly in London, watch Oakland flip Carr for 2 first round picks giving them 7 in the next 2 yrs!?!? Very 76er'esque in my opinion. You know, trust the process and all...Could be the start of an epic AFC West rivalry.

[BryanBusby]

They have a lot of cap space and with 3 first rounders, I'd try and flip a first for a player already on a contract.

Would you flip a first for ODell and that contract to bring him to Vegas?
No way. Literal dickhead Davis is purging the money on his roster to pay for his legal Defense against Oakland and to move everything to a temp location next year and again when the new stadium is done.

They're going to remove as many big contracts as they can. I expect Carr to be moved in March.

[htismaqe]

Honestly, things are starting to look so bad over there that it's beginning to look genius. If Bortles plays poorly in London, watch Oakland flip Carr for 2 first round picks giving them 7 in the next 2 yrs!?!? Very 76er'esque in my opinion. You know, trust the process and all...Could be the start of an epic AFC West rivalry.

ROFL

[Eleazar]

Carr's stock has gone up so much that he's gone from a 2nd round pick to being worth 2 1st round picks!

GET IT DONE CARL - i mean - CALDWELL!!!

[Red Dawg]

Trading Mack was stupid but I don't understand all the Cooper love. What has he done to make anyone think he's so great? Now the media thinks that Dak will suddenly be good because he's got Cooper and can save their season. What a load of BS. Dak stinks and Cooper is not good enough to make up for that. Not to mention the Cowgirls have a bunch of dufuss coaches.

[Clyde Frog]

Are the Chargers going to Stan's stadium once it's done? right?

That thing is a monster.

It looked like Arrowhead West in when they were playing San Diego and had 90% more fans then they do now. Now even more seats for the Chief fans to fill. ROFL

[Buehler445]

Gruden makes Carl Icahn blush
ROFL.

I’m stealing this. Excellent work.
You know, maybe he is, but even if he is, so what? What the hell have any of those guys won? I know situation matters and all and coaching etc, but fuck man, they had 1 winning season in what, the last 20?

It's a complete rebuild. Do it right.

Right never involves total revolt.

Besides that when gas dumping fucking everybody ever worked? Seahawks? Maybe?

Even if you get your guy at QB he’s fucked. The good QBs in the league came into a decent team around them. Not a fuckfest.

I hope Chucky whiffs on all of these draft picks he's accumulating, gets fired in 5 yrs after none of them work out, Vegas stadium is only 1/2 full...and the Raiders franchise is set back another decade.

God damn that would be funny.

In meantime, Denver continues to look for their QBOTF while their defense remains just a shell of it's former self, and LAC move on from Rivers, setting that team back 5yrs or more.

Chiefs gonna own this division w/ Mahomes an Co. for a long time. Brady and BigBen are long in the tooth as well...Good time to be a Chiefs fan.

I hope he stays on for all 10 because Davis is too broke to afford him and a new guy.

[SuperBowl4]

The only reason JG won a SB is because of Tony Dungy. Still riding off TG's coattails. Al Davis traded him, Mark Davis hires him.

[Iconic]

It's starting to look like we are going to be this upcoming decades New England. We go on multiple championship runs with the NFL's best QB for 15ish years while our division deteriorates with absolutely no competition.

[Eleazar]

It looked like Arrowhead West in when they were playing San Diego and had 90% more fans then they do now. Now even more seats for the Chief fans to fill. ROFL

Are the LV Raiders going to have any different fortunes? Las Vegas isn't any bigger than KC, and with such a large transplant population most everyone there probably has existing loyalties in the NFL. It wouldn't be shocking at all to see the Raiders playing in front of 50/50 crowds every week.

[Clyde Frog]

Are the LV Raiders going to have any different fortunes? Las Vegas isn't any bigger than KC, and with such a large transplant population most everyone there probably has existing loyalties in the NFL. It wouldn't be shocking at all to see the Raiders playing in front of 50/50 crowds every week.

Thats a guarantee. You're gonna see a mish mash of fans from a whole bunch of teams at each game, especially with all the casinos buying up the majority of the tickets and giving them away as gifts to their clientele.

[T-post Tom]

Gruden has long had a reputation within the NFL of being dishonest and even a back-stabber. Guess his time away from coaching hasn't changed that. :clap:

[ptlyon]

Thats a guarantee. You're gonna see a mish mash of fans from a whole bunch of teams at each game, especially with all the casinos buying up the majority of the tickets and giving them away as gifts to their clientele.

An opportunity to get stabbed. Thanks circus circus!

[ChiefBlueCFC]

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[Hog's Gone Fishin]

This is GREAT!

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[kysirsoze]

Not me. You think the Patriots are sad that the Dolphins, Bills, and Jets operate in perpetual turmoil, aspiring to mediocrity? Hell no! That’s a huge factor in their dominance. The entire AFC West outside of KC is welcome to suck for the next couple of decades. We’ll represent the division admirably and need no rival.

THIS. I hear the "Raiders being good is good for football" stuff from Chiefs fans and I don't understand it. Well, that's not quite right. I think I do understand it. Little moral victories over division opponents is all we've had to hang our hat on for generations. If we just dominate them it doesn't feel as rewarding. I can see that, but once we're actually relevant and competing for rings for the first time over 40 years I won't give a shit about our division rivalries. I'm sure Pats fans don't miss duking it out with the AFC East for meaningless bragging rights.

[RINGLEADER]

I hope two things happen before and during of our game on December 2:

1. Show the team last year's game in Oakland

2. Put 70 on the Raiders


That just might destroy the team for years.

If not we can let our backups put 40 on them on 12/30.

[Gravedigger]

If Gruden's lucky, he'll get halfway through his contract before getting bought out. I guess I shouldn't say lucky, that'd be pretty nice to just work for four or five years then get paid the remainder for doing nothing. Raiders suffer, that's all that matters.

[SAUTO]

Hell yeah.

I can fly out to Vegas on Friday night, gamble and shit Saturday, maybe get comped some free tickets and go watch the Chiefs play on Sunday while live betting real time from my seat.

Sign me all the way up for that. fuck yeah. I would be all over that.

[Why Not?]

Hell yeah.

I can fly out to Vegas on Friday night, gamble and shit Saturday, maybe get comped some free tickets and go watch the Chiefs play on Sunday while live betting real time from my seat.

Sign me all the way up for that.

This

[Why Not?]

Carr's stock has gone up so much that he's gone from a 2nd round pick to being worth 2 1st round picks!

GET IT DONE CARL - i mean - CALDWELL!!!

Right. There isn't a GM alive dumb enough to trade two first round picks for Carr. I'd honestly be really surprised if they can get one first for him.

[Chief Pagan]

The only reason JG won a SB is because of Tony Dungy. Still riding off TG's coattails. Al Davis traded him, Mark Davis hires him.

Sure JG won with a team that somebody else built. But if you go there, you got to give credit that the team he just left also made it the SB that year.

[Chief Pagan]

Amari Cooper I am sure is good riddance for the Raiders and the Cowboys just gave up a fortune for a turd. He hasn't done shit since his second season. Last year he couldn't catch a cold. This year he is 22 for 280 and 1 TD

Mack was down right ridicules to trade.

If you are trying to tank to get the first overall draft pick and go into complete rebuilding mode, you absolutely do want to trade Mack.

[htismaqe]

THIS. I hear the "Raiders being good is good for football" stuff from Chiefs fans and I don't understand it. Well, that's not quite right. I think I do understand it. Little moral victories over division opponents is all we've had to hang our hat on for generations. If we just dominate them it doesn't feel as rewarding. I can see that, but once we're actually relevant and competing for rings for the first time over 40 years I won't give a shit about our division rivalries. I'm sure Pats fans don't miss duking it out with the AFC East for meaningless bragging rights.

:clap::clap::clap:

[Coochie liquor]

Not me. You think the Patriots are sad that the Dolphins, Bills, and Jets operate in perpetual turmoil, aspiring to mediocrity? Hell no! That’s a huge factor in their dominance. The entire AFC West outside of KC is welcome to suck for the next couple of decades. We’ll represent the division admirably and need no rival.

This x 10000000.

Andy and Pat gonna get lots of coaches fired, just like BB and Brady have. Can’t beat the top dog.... next!

[NJChiefsFan]

Kind of amazing how this has gone exactly how many, not just afc West rivals, have predicted. Worse in fact.

[SuperBowl4]

Sure JG won with a team that somebody else built. But if you go there, you got to give credit that the team he just left also made it the SB that year.Yes. Bill Callahan gets credit for losing the Super Bowl in his first year with the RAIDERS, the team that Jon Gruden built. HOLY TOLEDO! :clap:

[seclark]

fuck the raiders.
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[Rain Man]

**** the raiders.
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This is a really good post.

[Rain Man]

Right. There isn't a GM alive dumb enough to trade two first round picks for Carr. I'd honestly be really surprised if they can get one first for him.

"Hold my beer. And my other beer. And the bottle of scotch over here. And my flask of gin. I accept your challenge."

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[Naptown Chief]

"Hold my beer. And my other beer. And the bottle of scotch over here. And my flask of gin. I accept your challenge."

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I think he's dumb enough to do it..

[htismaqe]

"Hold my beer. And my other beer. And the bottle of scotch over here. And my flask of gin. I accept your challenge."

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ROFL